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I grudgingly admit to missing schizomi. we may be forced to.. withhold attention

How do we force Lumi to get over her ick of older women/ younger men

>>111399356
how do you hold a moon beam in your hand? only in this case, the moonbeam is gross and you don't want to hold it?

>>111400076
Who's the gross one in that analogy, the older woman or the young man?

>>111401490
the abstract concept and the feelings of everyone involved. no woman wants to know that in a crisis, a true life or death crisis, that she is the one who has to decide. similarly, what man is content with offloading the responsibility to protect his family from the outside world (not just violence, but poverty etc)? age is supposed to mean experience. if it doesnt, youre dating down.

>>111401866
pseud shit

>>111401907
thank you for the laugh

>>111401866
You genuinely think that the experience of living a mundane life and desk job would make a woman better prepared to tackle a life or death crisis than a guy 10 years younger, both of which never having experienced such a crsis? how?

>>111402525
ever since somewhere between the invention of gunpowder and the dawn of the bureaucratic state.

>>111402525
oh also because women, when acting organically (on their instincts rather than in their role as the enforcer of societal norms) are super fucking wise. I wouldn't let women or anyone under 30 vote, but few things should give one pause like a woman's intuition re: a good pairing or an overall assessment of something's degeneracy. women get to dictate sex norms for a reason. it's a good thing they do. and your average woman would say it's weird to date a younger guy.
experience triumphs over reason.

>>111403195
>and your average woman would say it's weird to date a younger guy.
Only Lumi-type of women says this. Most, if not all women are okay with it.

>>111403303
I won't bore you with anecdotal evidence but population level surveys paint a different picture

>>111399063
I admit im a hater, but she genuinely cannot fucking dance

>>111404163
she's a very acquired taste anon. even for a vtuber. she's basically as offputting as a cat until one day you realize she's a puppy and you can't unsee it.

>>111404256
Nigga this chick can't dance!

>>111404163
She has no ass. What did you expect.

>>111404281
have you ever seen a puppy get so excited chasing a new toy that it's feet lose grip on a wooden floor and bonks its head into the wall? why would I care if a puppy can play fetch properly? its for the puppy and adorable either way.

I miss when Lumi was Chinese

>>111404333
https://youtu.be/Ha6MsjLf1Ko?si=pvID6TuLtVkFsfaL

>>111406141
You can tell Lumi is seething at her comment.

>>111406141
>specifies without reason it was a homeless black women with the black man cat calling her
It sounds like lumi has disdain for a certain type of city dweller and she's based for that.

>>111407328
She's not made her disdain for basketball players a secret

>>111407444
Is that why she bullied her brother when he admitted he had a crush on a half-black girl during high school?

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>>111407471
When did this happen?

>>111407853
Anon, Lumi has said the N-word with the hard R multiple times. Do you not watch streams?

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>>111408192
it's kind of funny how the "lumi is racist" meme keeps going like nothing happened even after she went out of her way to promote a uk mulatto singer (I really wish she was actually racist)

>>111408308
>she went out of her way to promote a uk mulatto singer
>Sakana forced her to promote a UK mulatto singer
FTFY

>>111408308
Did this actually happen or did she just sing a cover of a song made by a mulatto?

>>111408353
as the most prominent song in her white day 3d debut and then on youtube/twitter

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>>111408397
that's clearly Kyle, not Lumi

>>111408397
I wish we could frencord

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beep boop I lumi sucks

>>111407471
>Is that why she bullied her brother when he admitted he had a crush on a half-black girl during high school?
Got to protect the pure bloodline somehow.

>>111408526
>All Starbro was allowed to experience was his frigid older sister and vapid white girls
>Deprived of the mulatto that will worship you like a god
No wonder he's a doomer

>>111408582
I feel like he would benefit from a brother that he could grab a beer with. poor guy. it's hard enough getting the sads. to not have anyone you can relate to must suck.

>>111407444
that's cause she wants my to play with my basket of balls all by herself anon

>>111408308
If she was racist why doesn't she hate the foot beaner artist?
>>111408397
Lumi's name is Kyle? I guess she's not chinese after all.

>>111408812
I think you might benefit from a little pragmatism mixed into things.

>>111408812
I'm not sure where you got the idea that racism is about hate

>>111408856
thank you. holy shit. thank you.

>>111408812
>If she was racist why doesn't she hate the foot beaner artist?
Because Pupi worships the ground Lumi stands on?

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>>111408919
oh no. lumi has the same fetish I do.

>>111408812
you can still be racist while also not behaving like a mindless rabid dog anytime you see a brown

>>111408930
Race play?

>>111409176
there are few things quite as satisfying as a racist brown girl desperately making up for her inadequacy with the back of her throat

It seems the shit skins here are upset that there white queen thinks that there sub human.

>>111409376
why don't you go beat up some toddlers too while you're at it

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>>111409376
>there

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>>111409495
oh panko

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>>111409376
Lumi hates all the same anon. Don't forget what she did to the fat polish man a few weeks ago.

>>111409694
>fat polish man
When a slav calls himself overweight and a burger hears that, the most hilarious communication error occurs.

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Cunt got me into another gatcha game

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>>111411997
heh, he trusted

>>111410745
The fattest Pole is fit compared to average Walmart dweller

>>111413669
she didnt care he was fat. she cared because he was embaressing jelly.

>>111413746
>embarrassing jelly
by being fat? i mean she spent like 10 minutes on that rant and that's pretty much the only thing everyone got out of that

>>111413746
So, what did he do wrong anyway? From what I've gathered she just had a narcissistic woman moment that he could "represent" Jelly better or whatever. Then in her boundless wisdom decided to double down with a non-apology.

>>111407253
>pounces at you

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Tard Live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-zJVt0VI8

>>111415240
She really likes the game.

>>111417321
I'll cut down her tree to pilfer her fruit iykwim

>>111414718
I think you don't get it. that wasn't an apology. it was an unpersoning. she said it outright.
>I still considered you a gumi. my mistake
what do you think that meant?

she was responsible for last night wasnt she

>>111408582
Can Lumi save him?

>>111420121
Only by sucking his dick

>>111417977
A lot of things, none of them good. She was a lot more fun before all that lemon bullshit. Gonna go rewatch her /here/ minecraft collab or something...

>>111420221
that was such a great collab. I know lumi moved on but I can't help but hold the grudge.
>none good
what do you mean? I miss how lumi wasn't afraid of calling people autistic and shaming them into being less retarded instead of trying to reason with them, but you are probably referring to something else

>>111420121
if they have similar personalities, no. women like lumi are viable because they are women. men with that personality can thrive, but they learn how from strong male influences.

Watch Lumi
https://www.twitch.tv/kanekolumi

>>111420330
I don't wanna psychoanalyze her, but I get a feeling that she despises the type of man that would regularly watch content like hers, yet feels entitled to that attention anyway, because she worked hard for it if anything. And as the time goes on those things get amplified in a feedback loop. Just forget we're talking about Lumi for a second. An entertainer verbally attacks a well-known member of their comunity, right at the insecurities where it hurts the most, then basically goes "I guess we just weren't meant to be". That shit is not healthy man.

To be fair he's not a fat guy just existing, he's a fat guy who blatantly shoves his fat into your face, submitting photos for streams etc. So fuck him

>Lumi reads an article
>Has the most retarded take ever
Starmom should have invested more on her education

holy it took all my strength to not bring up sexual favors or jeans when she was yapping about how good she was at bartering as a child.

>>111423397
don't think she did that but there definitely was an implication

>>111421365
>she despises the type of man that would regularly watch content like hers
Well tough shit because she is literally my girlfriend.

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>>111399356
Tell her its natural and that the overwhelming majority of women prefer it.

Watch Miia
https://www.twitch.tv/miia

>>111425035
How would Lumi react to this information

>>111426346
Lumi will deny it, but in her hearts of hearts, she will know it's natural.

>>111423397

Are we discussing again if she did seg work or not?

Does she masturbate? She seems kind of asexual

>>111429589
She is an introvert freak

>>111425035
how would Lumi deal with this 'issue'?

>>111431065
Lumi take your nap

>>111421365
your reminder about my obvious bias gave me an idea for an irl work thing, so thank you. I typed out a long unironic effort post about how her shitty communication style allowed for a false set of assumptions to overlap at the empirical, normative, and prescriptive levels to create the fundamental breakdown in communication responsible for 90% of lumi related chaos from zatsu's to anons yelling at each other. I procrastinated a little too hard so I will spare you the paper on how quick look at the epistemology of these autism related behaviors would make life easier for everyone.
Tl;dr – yes. you are right an entertainer engaged in that behavior with her fans is unhealthy, clumsy, and insane. the key word here being insane. why? despite the English language requiring us to express her vtubing behavior in the metrics of entertainment; treating entertainer as the independent variable would leave us bereft of explanatory or predictive power. her niche, content, fans, comparative advantage, work attitude, etc. (even limited to the explicit) can’t be explained as a function of min-maxing entertainer. meanwhile, the only way to predict the next [latest incident] would only make sense if we added insane to entertainer.
it’s very easy to explain all of the above and predict her behavior if we just call it what it is. she’s an independently “wealthy” (has a guaranteed living situation) art hoe doing the version of art shit most compatible with her skill set. which is playing support. or in this case, being parasocial. unironically. it would be more useful to call lumi a professional parasocial than a professional entertainer. the gumis, the real ones, self-select for that. we can go into it if you want, but you aren’t maining lumi if you don’t want parasocial.
whether or not that is a good thing is a determination for each of us to make on our own. the only thing we can’t do is call this surprising. a parasocial clipper had a parasocial interaction with a parasocial streamer. he then proceeded to act as if that was inappropriate and unexpected. it was not. he got what he signed up for. the only insane reaction was to act like lumi was the one who violated the dynamic with something inappropriate. objectively, rationally, the only person who was at fault here was him acting like this was not within the scope of predictable behavior rationally following from his choice of whom to interact with and his own behavior.
I realize I am not at all above this. before my failure of due diligence, I would have said parasocialism is a mental illness and the only solution was to immediately shut down the internet. If my past self could see me right now, I would literally consider killing myself as a matter of principle. so I get why someone would say what she did was unhealthy in all possible worlds. we cannot claim that it was irrational or insane any more than parasocialism in general in insane.
as to whether or not parasocial is healthy, it is up to you. personally, I cut myself a one time exception. it sounds like cope but the reasoning isn’t complete shit. there is no such thing as a normal vtuber relationship. at all. there is social and there is not social. our brains don’t know the difference. we either engage in social interactions while also drawing arbitrary lines with practically zero basis in reality, or we decide the mutual parasocial is just social. if we think it is social, then the worst case scenario is the heart hort of a friend 86ing at graduation. only it’s the vtuber kind instead of the irl one. it sucks but it is known and manageable. the alternative imaginary limits have entirely unclear benefits. meanwhile it normalizes behavior at the micro and the macro levels that will have unknown butterfly effects elsewhere. particularly with someone who streams as much as her. assuming you are an otherwise high functioning human being; it is FAR more dangerous to impose artificial limits than it is to just interact normally. unless it is strictly required – don’t do it. (if someone doesn’t give you their address, you don’t bother them at home, etc. none of this is rocket science.) the more open, the better. I’d rather chance awkward discord interactions than awkward human interactions.
lumi lacks testicles so she is a little more of a coward about it, but it seems like she either consciously wants to or is subconsciously driven by a similar philosophy (it doesn’t matter what’s going on inside someone’s head – you are not reaching when you are accurately predicting behavior, you are grasping). lumi behaved objectively rationally given her parasocialism, and I personally think she acted healthily given the parasocial. maybe his reaction was the “healthy” reaction. that’s up for debate. It was, however, entirely irrational and that is why he got depersoned. she opened up to him to treat him like a person and he punched her in the ovaries for doing it.

>>111431805
Her "you fat" rant was not social at all. She would not do that in real-life interaction, by all accounts she's a rather pleasant person to speak with (unless pressed). And the objective metric of "healthy" is the trajectory. Does it get better or worse with time. I don't see it getting better.

>>111431805
My initial instinct is to say there's no way she's in that deep but it does explain both the initial ~10 minute rant and the "apology"

>>111425035
It's funny when you look up the statistics on this it turns out that about 7% of men in their 20s hate women and around 75% hold at least a somewhat positive view while the figure is almost completely reversed for women where 75-80% have a very negative view on men.

>>111431805
The problem is what parasocial relationships end up coming across as for either party, it's like having a distant relative who shows up at Thanksgiving and assumes to know every last detail about you and your life. And Lumi used this opportunity to lay out why he was leading his life wrong and should be ashamed of being a community representative given all of his faults. I'm not sure when this happened or if I was just oblivious to it for most of my life but people in general seem to sperg out 300x more about fat people than they used to so I don't know if this is just being candid but normal or being a bitch. Either way it always sucks when someone judging you over one thing without knowing anything about you and why you are the way you are, of all people she should know better.

repost because I fat finger nuked it on my phone
>>111432165
a theory is only as robust as it's parsimonious explanations and the accuracy of it's predictions. I don't mean it as a dig at lumi. at all. it's the only reason she's a person to me instead of something far worse
>>111432114
>objective metric of healthy
no data availiable and even if it was, it would be armchairing about a new phenomenon our species has less than a few decades of experience with. /vt/'s thoughts on that aren't something we should weigh heavily
>cunt irl
haven't heard that from anyone, only the opposite. but again, we just don't know
>wouldnt say it irl
yes she would. telling someone they are fucking up costs you significant social capital and does not benefit you. it's something you do because you care about someone involved enough to take heat. be it jelly or the clipper.
her apology said it all. she apologized for thinking he was a gumi. it wasnt a fake apology. she was very clear. it just wasnt what some people wanted to hear.
if we want to speculate, she handled that conversation the same way she does when she tells someone off for fuckery here. she only hopped onto fat after chat requested clarity and volunteered weight. I have no idea what was going on, but it seemed very much like a conversation we werent fully privy too.
all of the above adheres to in person interaction rules. she wouldnt have gotten mad if he called her a stupid cunt and demanded a more coherent explanation. you can bully lumi to tears and she wont cut you off. I feel bad for knowing that, but it is true. she only shut down when he did the equivalent of slinking off to gossip with other friends about her being a bitch.
lumi was autistic for not going in with a better plan and for misjudging him as a non-menhera. streamer brain takes its toll. she wasnt out of line, just dumb.
for the record, the reason why I feel comfortable chatting shit about someone I like is because I know with absolute certainty that she could read this, recognize me, get pissy about me being right, but not actually get mad, and treat me normally tomorrow. the social calculus works with her. I wouldnt be risking her ire if I was a parasocial schizo worried about her acting like a parasocial schizo. she has better shit to do I'm sure, but I am putting my money where my mouth is and assuming 8 hours of daily interaction counts as friendly.

>>111432453
I think people are overly focused on the fat part but you make entirely reasonable points about showing up and acting like they know you. this is why I wanted to smack her for being stupid and not preparing herself properly.
she explictly (but without enough emphasis) stated that her shit giving was based on how he represented jelly's community. it wasnt about his hidden life. he could be rescuing orphans from fires all day for all we know. her point, perhaps poorly made, was that we did not see that. I don't know what it was about representing the community. she only hit him with fat half way in. which suggests something she didnt want to embaress him by saying outright. but who knows.
either way, you cant expect to show up and troll someone but get butt hurt when they flip it on you. lumi doesnt get mad about name calling, so why would anyone show up and not be able to take a hit? she has tried with other people and their response was to tear her to pieces instead. it wasnt bullying

Welp, having a humiliation fetish would explain things too, almost too well. But this is where I say "that's enough internet for today".

>>111432537
She is a public figure, I'm not sure a loud chatter and clipper is a public figure on the same level so the only explanation is she used to hold him in high regard and he didn't know that. She also gets very butthurt about certain things like being called a slut or anything that suggests she has personality flaws or mental problems, at least the ones she can't flip in her head to become hidden strengths. It comes with maturity but there are just some things that never leads to a win, like shaming someone over height and dick size will never make them funnier or more hard working. Women seems to have this idea that it does but even they go fucking ballistic over things like suggesting a better fit for a dress because they don't have the body type for it.

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>>111432642
true. she must have at one point or she would have treated him like a retard and said nothing

>>111431805
i dont think she's on the same lvl of parasocial as us due to the inballance of information but i agree about the whole rant coming from a place of caring but that retard took it as an insult, telling someone things they dont want to hear will turn out with them being mad, sad etc (depending on the comments) almost 90% of the time but you do it anyway because you care about them.

>>111432537
>I don't know what it was about representing the community
I don't think it goes any deeper than playing into "4xl starknights" meme, but who knows.

>>111432537
>I think people are overly focused on the fat part
i mean, when you post your huge ass belly for the muscle review 2 years in a row it makes people focus on the fat part easly

>>111432791
I won't belabor the parasocial point because going further would have the practical effect of giving antis ammo; but that is splitting hairs.
the thrust of the situation is exactly as you concisely described. all of the drama that followed evaporates once the intent is understood.

ever since that stunt of telling a community member that he isnt doing enough for their oshi and that guy being also part of a coworkers fandom and not hers lumi had catapulted herself off the list of "good" vtubers.

>>111432845
Good is subjective, my man. Unless it's coffee. Coffee is good for you.

>>111432836
Feels ironic telling you but proving intent that points to the opposite of the clueless bystander given the nature of the act is next to impossible for good reason.

>>111432845
regardless of what the american media tells you, being a fat fuck is not good for your health even more so when it's visceral fat which is one of the biggest contributors of getting diseases due to it's contribution to insulin resistance

>>111432880
hi sakana, when are you shipping my merch?

>>111432893
soon

>>111432889
oh - I meant lumi's intent. his isn't relevant since he isn't the one on trial. his actions are relevant only insofar as they served as the initial accusation. hers is relevant because we need a mens rea, which isn't there. actus reus is also easier to understand in that light, although whether or not that element is satisfied isn't really relevant without the other.

>>111432958
>I meant lumi's intent
So did I

>>111433012
well it would be difficult to describe an active participant as a bystander. unless we were to embrace a more reactionary view of agency that disqualifies her from any responsibility for her actions. one need only provide a sufficiently compelling narrative for a "reasonable person" to agree. that's enough to hang a man.

>>111432958
What are we trying her for anyway, the initial rant or the non-apology? The initial rant was stupid, but not outside of her usual content and people do stupid stuff all the time. I do have a problem with the follow-up though. But maaaybe can understand it, if not agree with. Some members of her company have outright irrational hatred to anything "dramatuber" related, and him going public with his grievances might have put him in the same category.

Maybe recency bias or just me being unlucky but it's like every zatsu is just soured by some retarded loop of chat and lumi not understanding each other and getting nowhere. I guess this is why I'm not a culture fit but I felt no need to examine the professional gambler statement yesterday.

>>111421365
>I get a feeling that she despises the type of man that would regularly watch content like hers
Only if you don't do anything with your life and sit in chat all day. If you came to her at a meet and greet and said that you work a 60k job and watch her during your workout that's different. She doesn't want people to not try at life, get fat, and just rot away infront of her stream. She knows people like that exist and that's why she bullys chat to work out and do better. If she sees you in chat 24/7 7 days a week then she probably hates you.

Lumi is smart.

>>111433208
the thread was giving her shit and I unironically think she did nothing wrong. obviously I am biased. still think I'm right
>>111433220
yes. it isnt your fault. chat has gotten.. I dont want to say retarded because the types of people who make such sweeping statements are themselves often retarded. something happened over the years where she doesnt have the backbone she seemed to use to have. maybe she is tired from all the projects or something. idk.
she should have just restated her life itself is gambling statement and said anyone who doesnt get it is either low eq trolling, actually retarded, or actually autistic. tough love. same with whatever the fuck that fake "theyre gonna price items along the demand curve for each shopper" bullshit. we spent like 15 minutes looping an onion article. the econ part was good tho, I want her less stupid.
I feel like she used to handle this by refusing to read anyhing people who derailed streams would say. modding obviously is not the solution to anything other than spammers/people trying to create tos violations. but shame is a useful tool here.

>>111433220
What was the hot take anyway, I wasn't paying much attention. Her saying professional gamblers exist (meaning pro poker), and chat misinterpretating it for content?

>>111433343
she is smarter than the people around her but stupider than she thinks she is. literally the worst place to be. I say this because I care. it isn't useful to be a big fish in a tiny pond. life gets too easy and you get soft. then one day the fisherman comes and you arent ready for it.

>>111433370
She was saying that gambling implies risk, if you're a professional gambler that means it's no longer gambling because in her view risk as been eliminated. She's retarded and wanted to be right for the sake of being right

>>111433409
I mean, risk assestment is the main thing that separates recreational gamblers from professional ones? The former are there for the thrill, the latter for the money. (No, I'm not Lumi)

>>111433409
no. she said that the risk has been reduced by skill into something comparable to starting a business.
you take a gamble when you open a restaurant. it isnt considered gambling it is considered a job. you are showing up to work as a professional poker player. you're applying skill to such an extent that to call it gambling on chance would be retarded.
the point was that at a certain point the sphere of economic activities converge to the point that to call something a gambling and the other thing a job is fucking retarded. which anyone who has ever started a business on their own can attest to. picking the right spot to open a restaurant is as much luck as it is skill.
I hope you're fucking with me. /vt/ is the only place on earth where the trolling isnt trolling so I have to ask.

>>111433447
Yes but just because you reduced risk doesn't mean it's eliminated and strictly speaking, if a game was solved it wouldn't be a game anymore. There's a difference between definitively solving a game (gambling in this case) and assuming your method/system works. The world isn't run by supergeniuses and noticers, if there's a system and you can document it there's nothing preventing a midwit from emulating it and they will, it's the only thing driving us forward.
>>111433493
That's not what she said though, she called it Professional Gambling and then reflected on the word Gambling. It already has Professional in the name, but it's not a job, you are a Professional Gambler the same way a Professional Sports-player is still participating in Sports even if we assume there is an ultimate olympian who's such a genetic freak it's literally impossible to win against him. You can take on jobs and be compensated but a job doesn't have to be a profession, it's a service offered under contract for compensation. A Professional Gambler is making his living Gambling, but Gambling can never be a job (unless you're sponsored I guess). A sponsored stream is a job, a scheduled normal stream is not a job, but she's still a Professional Streamer.

>>111433582
I think you're overcomplicating things... Being a professional anything means you're regularly getting paid for it. Which is also the definition of job.

>>111433582
well yeah, that's a circular tautoloy. why would you choose to interpret what she said in the manner that is literally reflexively false and would require her to not understand basic english?
maybe this is an esl thing, in which case fair enough, I can't speak another language well enough to converse. but she was clearly focused on the abstract meanings of gambling and work. how eventually they converge and the only distinction is the arbitrary "true because it is defined as being true" logic you just cited.

okay it's official. lumi deserves to be turned into an onahole and recorded getting fucked by some ugly bastard yanks on her twin tales and jjelly gives her tits the fly swatter treatment. not streaming at night has gone from negligent to reckless. there must be consequences.

>>111433220
lumi has gotten somewhat less precise with her thoughts and words since finishing school, and chat has gotten somewhat more surly and argumentative for some reason yet discovered

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>>111433666
It seems the English language has been destroyed and you can in fact use job and profession interchangeably, many such cases.

>>111433925
That's a penis.

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"A job is a way to make money"

But compounding interest is not a job because it's passive, has no obligation or expectations.

You can be under contract and have certain obligations or expectations yet be passive because there's no job to do but it still counts as a job.

Somehow this is different than being obligated to have money in your bank account.

So Professional Gambling can't be a job because there are no obligations, expectations or counterparty even it's just you doing stuff.

But apparently it can because it's a way to make money.

So an unpaid internship is not a job or employment even though you have obligations and expectations and is under contract.

Except every nation disagrees whether to call it unemployment or not.

Job is a meaningless word describing doing something, except you can also not be doing something or you can be paid or not paid. It doesn't matter Jobs are jobs because people say they're jobs, who are 'people'? I don't know.
The eternal anglo strikes again

Some are phase fans and some or lumi fans. If Lumi decided to stream on the same IP but back as an indie(not that she wants) how her viwership will change?

>>111434124
I think she will maintain 400-600 viewers, I think there are less phase fans than lumi fans because the premise makes no sense. She's the Vtuber for people who don't like the usual gfe/whoretuber setup, chat is management essentially.

>>111434124
Zero change short-term. Mild drop mid-term due due to the will-be missing cross-promotion opportunities. I'm not sure she's fit to do this gig long-term, she keeps rationalizing a lot of things as being part of her "job", and that's the red flag to me.

Interesting...how about her content? Unreform the reformed or same as before with minor vibe changes?

>>111434293
Asking for a friend?Just do what you like, man.

>>111434293
I would like nothing more than unreformed but the Veibae model has got to go

>>111434350
>>111434322
Idk I kinda like cozy Lumi and edgy comedian Lumi kinda passed its time

>>111434070
>>111433810
Autism is a disability.

>>111434611
I like both. I hate the "I'm here because I have to" vibes. So from my perspective the "how" is more important than "what".

>>111434293
she should be making me cum, making herself smarter, baiting correction adtercare, oe being my loving wife. as long as she is committed and engaged.

>>111434685
it's fine but the signified changes in meaningful ways across different cultures

I am still devastated by the news of her tight vocal cords. I don't know how she will get good enough at deepthroating

>>111436047
Isn't tighter the better? Also more tears add flavor.

>>111436243
Why would you hurt her?

>>111436597
This kinda took a weird turn, it's a real person we're talking about about. I only spoke about hypothetical skill, no noncon crap involved.

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You guys think Lumi will ever usurp Pippa as the face of Phase Connect?

>>111436822
>the face
Retarded thinking, there can be more than one. Pippa can farm chuds, Lumi do concerts, Shiina farm simps, etc. Even Fishman is the well (and fully intentionally) established public face.

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>>111436891
>there can be more than one
Lumi’s world view refuses to accept this outcome. It’s why she stopped talking to Shiina once she started threatening her.

>>111436978
I know you're joking, but Lumi literally went out of her way during the latest Nippon trip to make sure that dumb (sadly objectively in this case) bitch doesn't kill herself.

>>111437062
That was for PR purposes

>>111436978
I wonder how she became like that.

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>>111438166
You don't want to know.

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Lumi says she can see the future, and she says we will die virgins
https://youtu.be/QEZCSvfCsqw

>>111438702
so I get to live forever? yay

>>111437062
she's so sweet sometimes it physically hurts when everyone is so mean to her

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Lumi is a Gypsy now.

>>111436597
so she knows I love her, duh
>>111436243
it means more of a gag reflex. if you push through hard enough the contracting feels good but it's hard for the girl not to bite you or puke. she'll feel like she's dying and can't breathe too. so.. most girls aren't into that enough to have learned how to not make a mess.

She's really trying

>>111438815
GypsieMi?

>>111438953
I love her

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She's channeling Pupmi

>>111439009
she's way too good at her pining fetish thing. it was the same with the halloween skit. bitch knows the one weakness. she will have to be stopped

>>111439117
With the jiggle?

>Lumi gets mad if you ask her who will you marry
She really gets mad when we don't pay attention to her.

>>111439236
the loved one is suffering thing

>>111439240
sucks to suck nerd, I live within 10 miles

>>111439254
Did Sakana made her use do the shake?
Or just Shake those pears aaand dont elabortate

>>111439366
both. sakana thinks big boobs = good. lumi knows part of her job is keeping our dicks safe from stds.

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Lumi should stream in chaturbate or strip chat. She’s can’t keep letting Projekt Melody have complete control of the adult streaming sites.

>>111440352
I agree

>>111440352
Do it yourself and surpass both of them. Dream big, anon!

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>>111441391
nta but if I kidnapped lumi idk why I'd waste time whoring her out on streaming services. there's more important house breaking to be done

>>111441571
??? ????

lawyers are scary

i would have sensual vanilla sex with her and then we'd cuddle

>>111441910
... after the house-training?
>>111441571
If you're going to use these two words in such context, at least watch the grammar. You made it even more creepy than probably intended.

>>111442050
anon.. I wouldn't seize the perfect riposte into kidnapping just to get sloppy and ruin it with a universal turn off like poor grammar. although I could have tossed in a comma for clarity's sake.

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>Being in a loveless relationship with Lumi with a son that likes and respects me more while I have mistresses on the side that are all friends with her.
>She knows deep down but has too much pride to admit to herself the absolute state of cuckoldry she finds herself in and doesn't want to file for divorce for the sake of the kid.

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lumi can only fit small things in there. what ever shall we do?

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>>111442241
I don't know what she has against low rise jeans they're fucking peak and the best thing to come out of the early 2000s

>>111442192
>marries lumi
>lumi, the perfect toy
>lumi, the support player
>doesn't involve her in the sex
>doesn't use her to lure her friends into threesomes
anon.. go to confession and tell your priest you might suffer from the gay

>>111442326
If I outright shame her or give her treats she'll get the ick, I have to instill a perpetual unavoidable state of absolute humiliation that is present but unstated by those around her. Every moment of her waking day is spent regaining that last bit of pride she seems to remember having at one point until she no longer cares about wearing a leather choker in public

>>111442394
Are you the dude from today's stream? The one that was prophesied to get stabbed in his sleep.

>>111442394
I appreciate where you're coming from but this is a strategy that will cost you in the long war. sometimes it's important to remind your loved ones that all it would take to pull the rug out from under them is to simply not show up.
that you can and will do it at any time. that the second they no longer have a legitimate excuse to needily fawn over you and spend their freetime grooming you - poof.
you're a man. you always have that option. never let a woman become numb to the reality of your absence. neither by familiarity nor being able to enjoy her day to day without you.
think of it this way. who do you think a streamer would pine over more? former chatters she enjoyed? she would probably think so. until the chatters she currently relied on nope the fuck out. that puts things into perspective. especially when she doesnt know the trigger conditions.

>>111442706
Fuck you. That bitch doesn't know what she was talking about. Fuck her and her femcel mindset

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>>111442706
fatality

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>>111442725
I was larping and your response worries me, I don't want Lumi I want someone comfy that's sturdy enough to go mamabear and emotionally mature enough to sacrifice a week or two for the good of the team

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Sex with Lumi at a couple agreed times a week and then we ignore each other the rest of the time since I have my own shit I want to work on.
Then I'd buy her flowers like once a month to do freakier stuff idk.

>>111443227
Then you get her pregnant, and even that goes out the window. Just stick to 2d women, they're universally available.

Lumi doesn't want to be like Starmom. She wants to be in a loving marriage. That's why she tries so hard to make sure starbro doesn't turn out like Stardad.

>>111443419
Unfortunately her concious desires can't simply overwrite deeply rooted subconcious scars. Shit like this tends to get passed on. By all means she could have been in a loving relationship already.

>>111443371
It won't.
Any breach of the agreement would result in immediate action by [Redacted] as per specifications.

>>111414718
It's just an easy way to sabotage Jelly. Destroy the status of her main clipper and vocal community fag.
She needs Jelly to stay smaller than her to keep using her.

>>111443921
We love evil women here, but I'm pretty sure the only one that came out any status damage was Lumi herself. And Jelly already had the 4XL starknights meme that could be considired potentially harmful. So if you slice across the two with Occam's razor, you won't find any malice there, only stupidity (and Hanlon's copyright strike in your mailbox).

>>111443419
she needs to get him a bro he can talk to or at least find a bro she can talk to get useful advice. I love lumi for a variety of reasons, but understanding the mind's of emotionally healtht men is something that I don't think she has much experience with. outside of family that is, but that's different. you don't see them the same way.

>>111443227
I'd prefer the emotionally healthy kind of relationship where we always know the other is there in the background if you need them, but in an unobtrusive way. not demanding your attention, just making it freely availiable to take as much or as little of as you want.

Personally, I think Lumi was based for the fat thing. She isn't my oshi, but I want to be a man my oshi would find respectable and maybe even attractive. Having said oshi (or in this case former oshi I guess, but still) call me out personally would be the greatest motivation ever. I'd use that motivation to get big and jacked if I was him. Kinda jealous, and he reacted like a little bitch instead...

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>>111444745

>>111444799
What'd she do?

>>111444745
The delivery was crappy. The dude is already big and jacked, with serious gym regime and everything (he has a problem with getting smaller, needs dieting for that). Her follow-up was even worse. So... yeah, we got perectly avoidable and stupid public drama.

>>111444926
>The dude is already big and jacked, with serious gym regime and everything
He is? I have no idea, from the sounds I assumed he was a typical fatass, not fat-strong.

>>111443419
>That's why she tries so hard to make sure starbro doesn't turn out like Stardad.
But why does she get the ick whenever he tries to connect with her on an emotional level.

>>111444962
No Lumi only likes one bodytype and thinks strongfat or even just strong is gross, she thinks every guy should have the 6'1/165lbs metrosexual fit look

>>111445002
She should try connecting with me on an emotional level, I would give her D. ick. The biggest one she's ever had.

>>111445002
She's her mother's daughter

>>111444888
evaded proper workout wednesday punishment. failure to use toggles. insufficient brattiness, general failure to play ball, cringing at chat instead of focusing fun. also a severe case of blue balls that would be impacting work performance if I didn't have the week off.

>>111445052
So me should look like starbro?

>>111445109
Apparently Starbro went too far and now he's approaching 190lbs or something so she thinks he's gross now

>>111445052
>6'1/165lbs
No thanks lmao. I like my muscles.

>>111445002
she doesn't. you just have to not care about her being stupid. she can't help being dumb about some things, but a woman having a woman moment isn't an excuse to back down or let her get away with it. even if she is a real cunt about it and tries to hide behind some reductio ad populum bullshit. always forward, never around.

>>111445145
How tall is he?

>>111445182
She hasn't said except that he's tall, a bit gross to her because he's supposed to be her baby brother. The web of lies around phase girls height just gets more intricate by the day so it's hard to say how tall he really is but probably 6'2 or close to it

>>111445234
hmm. I guess he's tall *to* Lumi, right? How tall is she?

Can someone translate this Genshin Impact text in genshin terms

>>111445264
anyone who speculates has no idea, anyone who knows won't say shit.

>>111445294
Oh I see. I imagine her to be like 5'4 desu.

>>111445264
She's got fucked up woman hypermobility which causes a tilt in her hip from sitting with her legs crossed which would reduce her height by ~1-3cm at most. She was slightly starved as a child which would have stunted growth, this seems to have continued into her early 20s so bone plates would absolutely have fused by then. She's stated she was 5'3 before but admitted she was downplaying it for Vtuber lore reasons, SEAs get demoralized by women taller than them. She says it's closer to 5'4-5'5. If Starbro is 6'2, that would almost certainly place her at 5'7 if she reached her genetic potential as there's a 5" difference between girls and boys on average from the same parents. It's not unreasonable to suggest she's telling the truth, but given what Yuu, Erina, and Uruka are saying it might be somewhat taller than that as well. But who knows, if you try to play that logic game it doesn't lead anywhere which means they're probably playing up Erina's height (which would be very tall for a flip). That said, based on her drawings and descriptions of the difference between the other wish girls and her, there seems to be almost an 8" height difference between Dizzy and her, Dizzy is 5'1", Ember is either 5'2" or 5'3". This would make her taller than Uruka which is not the case as reported by many. Unsurprisingly Lumi is an unreliable narrator and we've proven that "girl inches" exist.

>>111445264
>>111445353
i think it's likely she's taller, like 5'7 or more considering she's apparently stair step taller than the rest of wish; (dizzy 5'0-5'1, jelly 4'8), but who knows where the web of lies begin

>>111445563
My money is also on weak 5'7

>>111445353
I think the best way to think of lumi is whatever image most matches her personality. 5'4" is a comfy size and she'd be happy with it. the rest is pseudery and no one she straight up answered is going to say

>>111445628
We're not being antis by height guessing calm down, it's not gonna hurt her bottom line since everyone seems to be from NA or Eastern Europe anyway

>>111445663
oh I don't think you are. I just wanted to tell newfriend the rule since we had that mainland conflict spill over into the thread. rereading, it sounded bitchier than I intended

>>111445744
Oh him, it's a work in progress. I've already managed to get the jannies involved by doing something like entrapment. Fortunately online spaces are commie blocks.

>>111445943
keep fighting the good fight. one day I'm gonna have to ask you to show me how the backend of all of this works. it's fascinating world of its own

>>111445052
>>Workout wensday
You mean the exercises streams?

>>111446185
la creatura

>>111445663
>everyone seems to be from NA or Eastern Europe anyway
I'm from western europe, you are objectively wrong and stupid now.

>>111446306
so am I

Whats in Lumi's mind today?

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>>111445052
Kotazuma is a fat ass stop saying he's jacked he has zero visible muscle on his body. He 100% deserves it

>>111446427
I think he probably does have some muscle under all that, if he just dedicated himself to losing some weight he could have a decent physique, but he decided to just sperg out instead

>>111446427
>zero visible muscle
his biceps are bigger than his head

>>111446427
Yes, he's both jacked and fat, that's what people call fat-strong. Also I just scrolled through his twitter, and it seems he's been dieting now.

>>111446536
>>111446571
>>111446746
His bicep only appears bigger because of the lighting. If he really worked out and did the pose he's doing he should have wide lats, he has zero lats or a chest, this isnt fat strong this is Just obese

Got nothing against fitness but the obsession with low bf and comically huge pecs seems homosexual af from the outside looking in, or caring about leg day to the extent they do.

>>111446862
letting women influence your fitness preferences in any way at all is a sign of dire weakness. so you arent wrong. performative peacocking instead of being healthy for yourself because it feels good - not a sign of high self-esteem

>>111446957
But starbro started working out because Lumi insisted that he should start working out.

>>111447021
if this is true, which, I'm not saying it is; a teenager in need of an outlet isn't the same as a grown ass man that still doesnt have his self-concept nailed down.

>>111447021
She insisted he get a swimmer's physique, which I'm not even sure is necessarily about the muscles themselves. Swimming selects for wide shoulders and narrow waists, gains-wise they're babby tier and if genetics was fair they'd be mogged by curlbros. Not sure the tone is really needed from a woman's perspective since she'll be ruining it anyway by getting pregnant and fucking up his metabolism.

>>111446957
Low bf and huge pecs are typically part of men's idea of aesthetic though

>>111447233
This is what I also suspect, men prefer swimsuit models over lingerie models, and they especially prefer the girl next door who looks a little lived in. I'd surprised if women felt differently about men

>>111446847
Dunno, to me this looks like fairly athletic man that let himself go to around 30% body fat. Not a bodybuilder, not obese, on the upper level of what is considered overweight. Also this conversation is turning kinda... gay (in Shiina's voice with reverb).

>>111447233
what I mean is that the only relevant external motivators should be objective health facts (low body organ fat, good cardio, etc) and then whatever makes you feel powerful in your own body. feedback beyond that is useful for motivation. but we are men. we dont need to worry about getting insta filtered the way women do. it's more important to be comfy in you than it is to come off as performative/gay about it

>>111446394
I think she is wondering if her collar should match her voice or her eyes.

>>111446427
Okay yeah no, that's fat. I don't know how tall he is, so guessing at absolute size is next to impossible, bubut I'd say proportionally to head body widgth and such my arms aren't much smaller but I'm like 30 KILOS lighter than he is.

>>111447311
Matching with the soes sounds betta' tbf

>>111447292
Guess I agree with this. Getting attention or compliments from girls feels good and fuels motivation, just as the thought of looking good for your oshi, but your reason for working should be more internal. You should be doing it whether anyone sees you or not, else it's vain and will feel vapid.

>>111447503
shoes?

>>111447503
>>111447637
Shoes? What heresy is this? Match it with her toenails if you really have to.

>>111447637
Yeh fella! If I belive in dhy value of em as a main focus

Any gumi who called kotazuma strong fat or not obese is fat themselves. Thank you for the social experiment and start losing weight, getting a gym routine so you dont embarrass her in public

>>111447916
* dies of laughter *

>>111447949
>>111447916
okay well in any case it seems we have two colors availiable to us. voice or eyes? ideal tightness is obvious

>>111399063
Is that the real Lumi dancing?

>>111448010
Could be the east european wich make him bulky

>>111446957
being weak is a sign of weakness. for example i could rape you right now and you could do nothing to stop me.

>>111448010
Never been fat in my life, just tried to approach it as objectively as I could. Sorry if that hurt your less-fat feelings though.

>>111448165
I highly doubt that anon; although I no longer doubt you are a fag.

>>111448183
yeah there's a weird amount of projecting all of a sudden

>>111449807
I hate summer

>>111450003
I like pulling her hair

>>111450059
Doez nut hurt lemòn?

>>111450149
I think the better question is whether or not she enjoys it.

>>111450300
Part of todays workout?

>>111450300
Part of todays workout perhaps?

>>111450436
>>111450409
I think this type of creativity ought to be encouraged

>>111450487
It bugged out I sent both by accident

>>111450602
I know, I agreed with what you said in both forms

>>111450708
I thought she retired from this sports

What is Lumi doing right now? Is the masturbating?

>>111451253
I think she would be in a better headspace if she did that more often

>>111451253
Is that what they mean by workout wednesday workout?

>>111445563
>>111445604
She said a few weeks ago that she's 5'6.

I wish that bitch would just make an alt already

>>111452075
She already did. You just have to find it.

>>111452393
I always have to do all the work, even if she's among us she'd find a way to fuck up her settings

>>111452393
On the same IP/ persona?

I am begining to suspect that women pretending to be men have been instrumental to the internet's tolerability. I wonder how much time is left on the clock before the terrifying moment of sunk cost lucidity sinks the ship.

>>111455655
It really makes you think doesn't it

>>111456052
Oh yeah makes sense! If it was on a different IP then why would you call it an alt?!

>>111456052
mainland ick aside, it actually does. I was only super online between like 8 and 12 playing starcraft before my balls dropped but still.
blue limey aside, I'm pretty sure my other three favorite anons are girls

>>111456300
ehh fuck it your enthusiasm is contagious. there's no such thing as cringe on the internet. it's far too late for that. worst case scenario the snow melted

>>111456544
Nooo the summer is near, not the ice!

(Now jokes aside, probably for the best cause what if,,fans'' discover it)

>>111456719
true. lumi seems to have it in her head that she cant even go undercover on her own server because people will recognize her voice. needless to say, that did not inspire confidence in her ability to lay low.

>>111456955
There's nothing wow on it probably

>>111457185
honestly, anything searching, beyond the application of common sense and whatever due dilligence you would do to make sure a vtuber isn't evil, feels too creepy. in an opsec focused industry; groom away, but the plausibly deniable add friend on a plausibly deniable account is something the girl has to do. it feels gross just saying that. like abdicating responsibility. but this type of thing is one of those freaky internet social logic inversions.

>>111442050
does anyone know what a house breaking fetish is? I was bluffing.

>>111457433
Putting it this way ...yeah lets stay in our bubble in that case...

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Bad news guys. I found Lumi's insta and she posts pics of herself with her bf

>>111457845
That bf? me.

Is Lumi asleep?

>>111457897
Anon, I don't know how to bring it to you but... you're not real. I'm so sorry.

I dont think you could let none of you near a nuclear reactor without making it boom

>>111458145
I think your use of double negatives could be responsible for a disaster

>>111458159
Sorry I thought they will make a positive

>>111458216
Yes, positive. A lot of particles of positive electrical charge, they're called protons.

>>111457929
yes

>>111449807
I wonder if Lumi still like brat summer

Do we still hate kotazuma

>>111458497
I hate comunism, also when the gay comunism became a thing?

>>111458439
What is Lumi dreaming of?

>>111458548
But he did nothing wrong.

So when people use words such as brat, punish, etc. Am I surrounded by BDSM fetishists? I've seen it be used for just about every vtuber but it seems serious here.

>>111458611
Lumi described herself as a brat and wants to be punish

>>111458566
He "was on her mind" that day, capital offense. Either way that nothingburger is a month old already, kinda pointless to gossip about it.

>>111458611
Do you need an introductory course or something? Don't be a stranger, we don't bite... at first.

>>111458611
>Am I surrounded by BDSM fetishists?
Are they VTubers? Every VTuber is a turbo-bottom that likes being controlled by chat donos and redeems to cope with some childhood trauma.

Theres a lot of bedrock beneath this soil, wanna dig up?

i haven't watched her schizo tuesday this week...

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