It's over for indies.
if you've ever bought an asset off booth you are fucked. and you better hope whatever contract you signed with your mama and papa is airtight so they can't rob you down the line
>>79969723ANOTHER ONE? fillian you idiot
>>79969723Ayamy will save Mint
>>79969807>so they can't rob you down the line???>indie tries to break TOS they agreed to when buying the model>it's the artist who are stealing???????
>>79969723>indiesBut, it's only one Indie
>>79970067She's not an indie, she's signed with Mythic.
>>79969723Mint? As in mint fantome?
>>79969974>>79970168Mint is the name of one of Filian's models
>>79970145MSM is a talent management company not a content org. It's like an NBA player hiring Shylock & Epstein to manage them vs. joining the Lakers.
>>79970168https://booth.pm/ja/items/2258111
>>79969990>"artist" sells model for $40>after paying them, they now have permanent rights to your income, forevernot even black corps like Unity are this bad about stealing from indies. and evidently people like you think this is normal defensible behavior. read the fine print indies, artists can and will steal from you
>>79970067Holodrones aren't very bright. They have that collectivist bug mindset that makes it impossible for them to see the indiespace anything other than just another rival constituent entity rather than as individuals.
>>79970210>>79970290Thanks for the clarification!
>>79970286MSM is nothing more than words written on a napkin. Mythic is another thing entirely.
>>79969723flip boys it's over...
>>79970286 (me)Sorry I meant Mythic but both of them are the same sort of thing.
>>79970330they should have read the terms when buying that crap
>>79970330>after paying them, they now have permanent rights to your income, foreverLiterally no one said this ever.
>>79970330>>after paying them, they now have permanent rights to your income, foreverThey don't. You just have to ask them permission. It's that easy.
>>79970330yeah, this sure is some fine print alrightdamn this legal skullduggery
>>79970330>>after paying them, they now have permanent rights to your income, forever>read the fine print indies, artists can and will steal from youHow about you read the fine print before talking about something you know nothing about lmfao. The TOS for the Rindo model is literally just "contact me before you make merch." That's it. Nothing about a revenue split is mentioned. At all. For all you know they just want to be credited and will take a 0% cut. You have your panties in a bunch over something that has always existed and always been in place because of ??? Maybe you just learned what intellectual property is.
>>79970330you're the reason why most people decide to pull the plug on braindead people, sorry your family didn't love you enough to put you out of your misery
Wait a minute ... If she's an enemy of the bureaucratic retarded nip monkeys, shouldn't we be on her side?
>>79970330>buy stock model for 40 bucks>surprised when you have zero rights to itYes, If you want to own all the commercial rights to a model you comission one and get the rights as part of the commission contract. It's that easy.
>>79970713She's not in Hololive so she doesn't get protection.
>>79970713We hate zoomer girls that are never letting us close to their aromatic pink tight pussies.
>>79969723mint no il save you
>>79969723it's her fault for keeping that model. She could have re-debut by now after all the money she made, but her dumb ass to cheap to get a model rig. Enjoy the lawsuit
>>79970713the artist is just some guyrather, you're implicitly siding with japanese corporation goodsmile's ability to take his work to produce figures
>>79970713>retarded nip monkeysShe had FULL PERMISSION to monetize streams or videos. She wasn't even forbidden to sell merch, all she had to do was message the artist beforehand. That's it. She couldn't even bother to do that even though she is riding her entire business and livehood on that model.
>>79971000Quit panicking wisp. I'll admit though I was scared at first too>>79970290
>>79971020Yeah it would have been insanely easy for her to commission a ripoff of Rindo/Mint that's legally distinct but she refused to out of laziness and recklessness.
>>79970355Seethe more, peasant.
>>79970713I am on her side, generally speaking.That doesn't mean I support this idiot making merch out of someone else's character without geting the OK from them.Honestly Filian should have made her own model long ago.
>>79971204Not nearly as expensive as getting into this conundrum, at least by what is know thus far.
>>79971061Sorry for the confusion. "nip monkey" is the artist. He forced Filian to follow retarded nip-ish rules.
>>79971202Sucking corpo dick doesn't make you more of a man, tribalmonkey.
>>79970713Those "nip monkeys" are the gods who brought anime tiddies to this world. Have some respect for the devine.
>>79969723>original VRchat 3D slop rehash made from a 3D template, please do not monetize even after purchase!I hope shitters like this go out of business.If you want to stream you're better off using free models.If you want to pay for one anyways, then just commission a fully custom one.It's insane how these people act like this the moment they get a minuscule amount of power.
>>79971392All you faggots know how to do is bitch and whine and act like retards.
>>79970067This >>79970355
>>79971385thanks for clearing up that your anti-corporate stance is founded on racism rather than actual principles
>>79971385>you can use my model for basically anything>just ask me if you wanna make merch firstOMG so fucking draconian and unreasonably bureaucratic.
>>79970330If you don't like it then don't buy a $40 model and instead buy a real model that you have commercial ownership of.
>>79971385>haha dude you’ve got to ask me first if you want to make merch>FUCKING SLANT EYENice argument
>>79971486She also can't use it for political or religious content. Literally 1984
>>79971000the thousand of truth is that we must protecc minto by all means
>>79971450But enough about you when males are acknowledged.
>>79971385IP laws are even worse in the U.S. That's why we don't have doujin events.
>>79970534Guess what, the terms are behind the paywall. They don't see it until after they buy it.
>>79970717Im not spending $1000 on some entitled little birch artist. I'd rather ai generate my toon instead.
>>79971437>please do not monetize even after purchase!She had FULL PERMISSION to do that. Only exception was merch, and might even have been allowed if she messaged the artist first.The reason being different with merch is that Good Smile and nendos are such a big thing, that there is potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of revenue on the line, and Filian couldn't even bother to look into the rights of her entire business model.
>>79971550So you allow creators to interfere with the activities of content creators?That is against Twitch principles and fair use laws.
>stupid flip gets what she deservesIt's a good day
>>79971712It's no wonder the average filian fan is 12 years old and her entire creative input is over reacting to stolen content.
Remember when NFT bros were telling everyone to stop taking screenshots of their monkey pics? Haha, good times.
>>79971745>Twitch>principles
>>79969723>Indies when they found out that copyright exists and there's consequences for infringing itSeriously are all these people stupid?
>>79969723>No distribution of skins in a racing gameUhhh, iRacing bros, wtf?
>>79970330You need to be over 13 to use this site
>>79971639We don't have doujin events because no one is interested in putting in that much effort, of course there's tons of fanart/fanfic etc. in the West.BTW doujin culture isn't all sunshine and rainbows either. Companies still have unlimited rights to pull the plug on anything whenever they want, and that does happen. Most doujin artists have to sell their shit at bargain-basement prices because you're expected to not really make any money on it so you're out there selling a manga you spent 100+ hours on for 500 yencoins. The cool part of doujin culture is all the people enthusiastic about it and producing and consuming tons of stuff, not that it has a particularly good IP environment.
>>79971745>implying Twitch matters
>>79971833I guess it’s back to Kirby Air Ride...
>>79971783Now we take pics of your art and generate better art than you can make ;)
>>79969723All she had to do was ask.
>>79971895>We don't have doujin events because no one is interested in putting in that much effort, of course there's tons of fanart/fanfic etc. in the West.Because anyone who tries will get sued to hell.
Mint was a stock model?? Wat
>>79971783>some retards that hold a worthless sack of shit they bought without any protections>using someone’s ip to make merchandise without permission, likely infringing copyright lawsDefinitely the same thing.
Its like when the program that rocket vtuber girl went offline, she lost access to all of her models.JP IP laws suck complete ass.Fillian sucks though so I'm happy to see her get knocked down a few pegs, hopefully she goes away for good.
We /vt/ fully support the "talent freedom" of content creators."Talent freedom" is a right that cannot be violated by anyone.
>>79971991The one time where that’s actually true, huh...
>>79971020I was really thrown aback when she was able to use the model in a gotcha racing game or whatever that thing was as she didn't on the model. When you make official merch, maybe make sure to own the IP. She really should have seen this coming.
AHAHAHA MINT AND DOOKIE BTFONIJI WINS ONCE AGAIN
Man I hope this rigger get a good lawyer and sue her for everything she got. This racist deserves it.
>>79972112Does that "freedom" include theft?
>>79972003Only if it was like Disney characters. And guess what there are companies like that in Japan as well. Stuff like Star Trek fanfic/derivative works have been a staple of Western fan culture going back to the 1980s.
>>79970330wait till you see copyright law over someone who you paid to take a picture of you.Private individual pays photographer: Photographer owns copyrightBusiness pays a photographer: The business owns the copyright.
Someone help my retarded ass.Do they mean Mint, as in the person that was previously Pomu? I thought this shit was about that Fillian girl.
>>79972142This so much
>>79970330That's why you read the license if you professionally buy a model.Also you should do that free models as well. Some variants of Creative Commons prevent you from using it commercially, or making modifications, or you have to properly attribute, etc.In these cases you negotiate and purchase a custom license (if it's worth it to you, and you are worth the artists time)
>>79972223>>79970290
>>79972223Try reading the thread
>>79972223>>79970290Read
>>79970290>>79972278Oh I see my bad.
>>79972140What? Are you in the wrong thread anon?
>>79970713>if she’s an enemy to [thing I hate]>then we should be on her side>weFuck off kiwinigger
>>79972167And then you think they just mysteriously disappeared because people stopped caring? How naive. You should do some research.
>>79972223Fillian had different merch made that was based on the Mint model
>>79972142Go back, Darcy.
>>79972223"mint" is the name used for this model which filian uses as a sort of loli version, referred to as "lil fil".
>>79969974Ayamy hasnt even saved Rica her supposedly beloved daughter.
>>79970713No, she has the money to commission a unique model that she can own, but she chose not to.
Isnt goodsmile some huge ass company? Surely they would have departments that would alert them about shit like this.
>>79972483They are quite literally /areguys/, so maybe that’s on >us
>>79969723>https://booth.pm/ja/items/2258111what is this jap whore crying about after permitted commercial use after purchase. It's on her booth. She just wants a bigger paycheck after filian huge success.
>>79971712What's stopping Fillian and (You) for doing exactly this? Go ahead and do it then?
>>79972568Probably this bro.
>>79972568https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WzWx-gw3I1KKIALZnIWY9dh6IDKSzK6l/viewretard
>>79972568Streaming counts as commercial use if you're monetized you retard
>>79972635in that case she is fucked. LMAO all she had to do was ask. Where is this from?
>>79972635>>79972665Is reading guidelines that fucking hard for women?
>>79969723its so over for mint sharts niji wins again !!!
>>79972092>using someone’s ipBoth mint's and rindo's creators are suing filian over the same depictions because neither of them are sure that it isnt their own model being depicted. It cant be a unique IP if two seperate people made it.
>>79970330Bitch please, a full right new model made from scratch never sold for 40$
>>79972729You actually linked it.
>>79972729Jingo's direct ToS for his models found on the rindo model's booth page.
>>79972483I don't know. But considering that GOOD SMILE contacted the original artist, it seems the company at least knew he had some rights.
>>79972777No. Mint is suing for the racing game and plushie. Rindo for the rest.She actually used two different models she didn't own for her merch. Funniest shit? Rindo would've allowed his model for the racing game WITHOUT ASKING.
Did Filian make merch from this model as well? Or is it just preempting her saying the merch was based on the Mint model rather than the Rindo model
>>79972884She made merch from both
>>79970713The vtuber is big, dumb and her fans is threatening small artist? The vtuber knew this day will come, but never do anything about it? Support the artist for sure
>>79972873Tweeting isn't suing
>>79972722holy shit. how can you be this dumb.it's not about streaming you dumb fuck, it's literally in the OP pic :-Plush toy-Skins in a racing game
>>79972976Yeah, but she has a good case on her.
>>79972976It's going to get to that point when Riggers find out she made multi-million off their ip.
>>79972112/vt/ does not support freedom, this is not an american board
>>79972734Apparently and so with the retards itt.
>>79973058Much easier to just ask her for settlement. Suing is just bad for both sides
>>79972722also this.https://x.com/filianIsLost/status/1761494246916264390
>>79973157>and I designed
>>79973111I believe in the freedom of retardation, like getting yourself into trouble legally because you can’t fucking read.
>>79973118It's going to be a long case if they decided to bring in lawyer to check every nook and crany of her illegal deal.
>>79972946I don't support anyone, it's all their own business. They'll probably just settle on some dollar amount and the problem will go away.But Filian was pretty dumb for not doing her contract reps. Could have prevented the whole situation in the first place.
>>79973111This is place is filled with too many chinks and SEAmonkies to ever understand what freedoms are
>>79973264If they are not retarded both of them will ask a huge chunk of money. I know court cases are long and tiresome but they are sitting on a gold mine that could settle them for life.
>>79973217Yea, getting pretty obvious she's been doing this on purpose thinking she'll get away with anything.
Facts:>Filian did not talk to the original owner of the model before releasing merch who states in the tos that you have to talk to him about merchandise>Claimed she owns it and was directing people to make more merch of the model (she isnt the owner)>She uses 4 different models on stream: The Jingo one which is the main one, "lil fil" 2 models by another artist, and 1 more unrelated to filian as a whole model which she calls Gilian. All are premade and arent original models, anyone can buy them off booth>She uses 2 models for merch, the Jingo one which we now found out was never contacted about the merch, the lil fil one made by Komado is the same situation as Jingo and does NOT allow for sale as merch>She uses 1 model for a video game, same artist as the lil fil one. Filian has never received permission>All of Filians assets come with the Rindo model which means Filian has not "based her model off Rindo", it IS the Rindo model>No word from good smile or Filian about it
>>79973368>for lifeI think there's 6 figures in it maybe, but lets not go crazy.
>>79973368Wrong. You don't kill a golden goose.Filian can get a different model. They can't get another Filian.
Alright since this thread is full of people who are yet to enter high school, let me explain basic copyright to the children. >d-dumb autistic japFor reference we will use USA law, but it's pretty universal>This asset was free, so therefor I can resell stuff using it!No, the original creator owns the copyright, commercial and creative rights to the project, and therefor any money generated using the asset or it's likeness can be claimed by the original creator.>I paid for it, so therefor I own the copyright!No, even if you get a PRIVATE commission, but didn't CLEARLY establish that this is 'work for hire' or CLEARLY established you will own commercial and copyright after the project is complete, by default the artist still owns the creative right to the asset, therefor the original creator can claim any revenue generated.>I paid for it, established that after the project is finished I own the rights to the asset, OR I paid for it, and it was disclosed upon payment completion I will own the rights. You are free to do whatever you want with that asset>Why didn't she get pinged for streaming and making money with the model before?She was getting donations for entertainment WHILE using the model, not getting donations FOR the model.
>>79970290>it's the same model Nekoname Tuna is using
>>79972140Doki got her own model so I dunno why you're bringing her up.
>>79973480She stole from a golden goose and claimed that she is the golden goose. That model was already popular in 2021 long before she ever did her first flip
>>79973480Well yeah, they could ask for future royalties but would Filian accept?
Fillian is not going to get sued by Jingo since he's probably going after the bigger fish with a fatter wallet mainly goodsmile
>>79973438Rugpull time?
>>79970355You are correct, instead of seeing it as individual pieces of shit i see it as a massive septic tank lol
Just get a new model, it's that simple.
>>79973631Sue both. Make bank.
>>79969723Filian making vtubers as a whole look scummy because of her own fuck ups, yet again. Thanks bitch, what would we do without you.
>>79973631They announced the Nendo, they didn't sell it yet
>>79973631Going against a corpo is a bad idea, Filian is the softer target, the corpo can get other corpos to go after him, including the owners of booth.
>>79971175Vedal did that. It was that easy. Even gained a ship buff in the procces.
>>79973481thanks notShinri
>>79973631Man, this fucking jap neet loser woke up and struck two oil veins in a fucking day. He's the luckiest motherfucker alive.
>>79973438Another fact: she pirated the model
>>79973716>Going against a corpo is a bad ideanah in this case its the easier route since its a jap corpo and ip shenanigans and they fucked up by not clearing stuff up with fillian
>>79970290>Flips>Crashes into multiple lawsuits
>>79973849Can someone confirm if this is real or a Nijinigger shop?
This will end in a settlement, because Fillian has everything to lose, if this goes to a court, she will lose because she didn't read the ToS, and some people are saying she pirated the 3D model, in court they will make her prove that she bought the rights for the 3D model, and that's easy with a purchase history.The cost of the settlement will be probably paid in full by Fillian and Good Smile will cut any contact with her, and probably fire the person who was the link between the company and Fillian for not checking something so basic.I think it is easy to assume that the nendo will not be released, and that the plushies and other merch will be discontinued, and the artist will get at least 25% of the whole sales.This will be a HUGE hit to Fillian social media fame and finances, because vultures and dramafags already smelled the blood in the water, and this will be remembered whenever her name come up, and if are there people that old a grudge better than anyone, those are artist.If I were Fillian I would pay whatever the artist is asking, then try to pay an extra for the full rights of the 3D model and design, so the deal with Good Smile can continue
>>79973912https://youtu.be/bbmYkcsUTXgFirst 5 seconds. Unless you now want to claim they hacked her channel
>>79973849How, how can you have a business worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and not even spend just a bit of that on your assets, just to be fully on control.I love Filian but fuck, that was so stupid.
>>79973685No, she has done a great job in taking back the Vtuber culture from Japan/Youtube.
>>79973481thanks /asp/ gen 1 Lex Parte.
>>79973716Iirc the pizza place where nintendo got the name luigi from tried to sue them back in the 90's and nintendo settled out of court. He's probably hoping for the same outcome
>>79973924That's a lot of money. This shit is so fucking crazy man.
>>79973912BOO
>>79974006>taking back the Vtuber culture from Japan/Youtuberemind me again what vtuber stands for?
>>79973912most likely a joke, that in hindsight looks really bad. Honestly, if you're big enough to get partnered you're big enough to lock in your own IP, Fillian should've gotten a custom model ages ago
>>79971745Please, see this >>79971743She had the rights to monetise any performative use of the model. Other 3D artist don't give you even that. She fucked up big.
>>79970560SEAfag, the point is, even though you bought or commissioned a model, you CANNOT make money on it without giving them their fair share. Since they don't know how much you will make this is why commercial rights tend to be an extra $100-$1000 outright.
>>79974006>No, she has done a great job in taking back the Vtuber culture from Japan/Youtube.Based!! I think her next model should look like this to stick it to those nasty anime japs.
>>79973924They haven't sell anything yet and I don't think there's any monetary transaction, how can they even sue her? I think she should just commission a new model, fully owns it, use it for 6 months so people get use to the new model and then release the figure.She won't be impacted if she ditches the current model but the artist would.
I hate the old-fashioned idea that "creators are greater than content creators," which is peculiar to the Japanese.
>>79973849she has said this multiple times on stream. its probably true I doubt she goes to a jap site. she had this model long before she was famous. She probably gets all the assets from one of her mods.
>>79974388>which is peculiar to the Japanese.funny because thats the same drama in the western sphere right now with ishowspeed copyright striking react channels because he believes creators should be greater than content creators
>>79974303>You cant sue me I haven't even started scamming you!!!Thats now how it works kid
>>79974303Aint no way Goodsmile will want to work with her again. Her relationship with them is fucked from here on.
>>79973672Going after goodsmile isn't going to do much because they didn't actually make any profit yet.
>>79974388Let's be real flipping and shouting isn't real content
>>79970681it's not even fine print that's the funniest part you geniuinely have to be retarded to miss it and people are now pretending like it was a mega obscure term in a 1000 page contract
>>79974303You're forgetting the role of the company in this.If they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in the production of the Nendo already (which takes months of work to prepare), they could go against Filian for failing to disclose about the ownership of the copyright and hurting the reputation of good smile.
>>79974303Not only is related to merch, but she also used the design and 3D model in a game, which is a clear violation of the ToShttps://x.com/filianIsLost/status/1761494246916264390https://x.com/filianIsLost/status/1767625496295092584https://x.com/filianIsLost/status/1761880190072832034The merch is a big issue not only because she is already profiting from the 3D model in a clear violation of the ToS, but also because she gave the rights to people to use the 3D model and design that she doesn't own to make merchhttps://x.com/smug_alana/status/1791655229387362346https://x.com/filianIsLost/status/1750657023862059406She is fucked, but for real
>>79974303the attempt has been made, she'll not get out of this completely free bro. changing model would probably help a bit, but not entirely.
>>79974570They dont. Annoucements is just that, nothing's been made yet.
>>79973975Jesus, better save it before the scrubbing starts
>The entire indie vtuber scene is imploding>Hololive is working their talents to exhaustion>People will still shitpost about Nijisanji anywaysGrim.
>>79974114>l'etymological fallacy
>>79974160Holy fuck you really are genuinely just that retarded.Once again, literally nobody has said this, ever. It's so easy. Just read the TOS. It is all written out in plain and simple English. None of water you said is correct. If the agreement is that there is a revenue split between you and the artist, then that's how it is. If you don't like it, don't work with that artist. Fucking simple as.
>>79974618How do you know nothing has been made yet?Do you know how many months of prep does it take to make a production line, the molds, the shipping and packaging?Doki had to stick to her old model since her nendo had to be in preparation since many many months ago.
This tweet is funny as fuck with the community note attached now
>>79974674>>The entire indie vtuber scene is implodingSays who?
>>79974718Just going off what I've seen with other nendos. I took ages for the luxiem ones to be made, Kiara's was announced a long time ago to and it still isn't painted.
>>79974674>The entire indie vtuber scene is implodingnah just filian really, doki/mint/shylily/etc are doing just fine
>>79972993>It CAN be used for commercial purposesThe word "can" implies that it is possible to commercialize it, but the actual license shows the restrictions. If you were a corpo or doing commercial shit you would be reading the license anyway, because that is where the actual legal agreement is.
>>79974614Also, the plushie, that already sold outhttps://www.makeship.com/products/lil-fil-plushI think you guys aren't dimensioning, how deep in shit Fillian is right now
>>79974734Holy kek
>>79974674People has always been shitposting about niji since years ago. Why would they stop now?
>>79972140got too excited, blew your load in the wrong thread
>>79974674>Hololive is working their talents to exhaustionSister...>>79974734Bruh.
>>79974805Do the dramatubers already know? She might still be able to sweep it under the rug if she acts quick.
>>79974614Why did this man suddenly mention Filian, even though he had previously approved of her activities?
>>79974734>RyudanFucking EOPs. It's called Rindo.
>>79974674Its fucking hilarious how mindbroken this board is over Nijisanji, you could post evidence of Yagoo raping their girls with actual voice clips, and some of them crying about what an abuser he is and the monkeys will go "WELL WHAT DID NIJISANJI DO TODAY"Like literally 0 talk about Mio developed pancreatis due to overwork and has organ damage now, AND she had to invite management to the hospital to prove she had what she said she had, real black company shit.
>>79974891>even though he had previously approved of her activitiesHe didn't know about anything merch-related before this.
>>79970290>$25This shit is cheap these days.
>>79974734>flips>steals your ip>uh oh
>>79974960there's a hidden cost, as we are now finding out
>>79974947Sometimes I wonder if there was more to the Haachama situation, at least she and Mio are fully healed now.
>>79974947>Like literally 0 talk about Mio developed pancreatis due to overwork and has organ damage now, AND she had to invite management to the hospital to prove she had what she said she had, real black company shit.Niji sisters are so fucking vile and will use anything to attack holo. That's why I will never let you vermins off the hook until your whole corpo implodes.
>>79974947>Like literally 0 talk about Mio developed pancreatis due to overwork and has organ damage now, AND she had to invite management to the hospital to prove she had what she said she had, real black company shit.At least she didnt have to beg her viewers money for life saving medication and operation because her company pays her shit unlike another dog in another corpo
>>79974734>UH OH
>>79974891He just didn't know, because he was never contacted by Fillian before, in the ToS it literally says "Please contact the Lincensor(s)", it's not his responsibility in any legal way to be always checking if someone is misusing his creations, it was Fillian LEGAL responsibility.In the end all of this could have been avoided, if she just commissioned a 3D model for herself, it is not like she didn't have the money, she just didn't want to spend it.
>>79975085ah damn i remember thati think she cried on stream because it was either meds or food for her.
>>79975085>Instant deflectionThere we go lmao, proving that anon right
>>79975096This plushie is based on >>79969723
>>79974947>Like literally 0 talk about Mio developed pancreatis due to overwork and has organ damage nowYou mean the same thing that happened to Fuwa?
>>79973849if true, then she isn't even entitled to its commercial use whatsoever. She owes the artist hundreds of thousands of dollars.
>>79974947More of shes overworked herself and not taking care her health while hiding it from the management
>>79975189>Hololive is bad because their talents get sick>Nijisanji is good because it the livers fault that they are sick and cant afford anythingnijifags not even once
>>79975096Fucking uh oh alright. Holyyy shit. I would actually be worried if I was her right now. Hopefully she didn't blow all her money.
Well, in any case, Mystic will solve all the problems. If she's offered a better model like dokibird, everyone but these nips will be happy.How can Nips not know how influential Twitch is in the Western world right now?
>>79969723I keep telling others they can't monetize free model, but they always said fillian can do it,so they can too. This is necessary
>>79974888Yeah, the Good Smile twitt about her nendo already got community note'd, they are probably making the videos right now.But don't expect FalseEyeD to cover this story without bias, he belongs to Myth, the talent manager company, just like Fillian and Asmongold, you should expect some Myth members defending her and calling the situation overblown or calling the artist a money chaser.
>>79975299>mfw Fillian blow it all on cocaine
>>79975313If they knew they would take all of her money without giving her a second chance.
>>79974734A great hit for her reputation for sure
>>79975327FalseEyeD has always been on the side of content creators, so he will no doubt defend Filian.
>>79975327If they do this their reputation is over. They have two options>go hush hush>Actually go against Filian
>>79973924>then try to pay an extra for the full rights of the 3D model and designI don't think that's possible. Remember the model is sold on Booth? You can't sell the rights to the model without making it awkward for existing owners.
>>79975327>Myth*Mythichttps://www.mythictalent.com/mythic-talent-vtuber-creators
>>79973849How low can she goes?
>>79975018What hidden cost? It's easy>>You're licensing this model accepting the TOS attached and the possible uses described on itIt's not hidden. It's common sense.
>>79974734I'm all for Filian paying the price for being a retard but community notes like this just strike me as petty
>>79975313>Well, in any case, Mystic will solve all the problemsdont think mythic will provide her any legal assistance since other talents like tsikyo and false hired their own legal support team when they had problemsmythic is basically just a networking group
>>799746742024 has not been good for vtubing...
>>79975294Yeah dude everyone in Hololive is a frail smol bean and can do nothing wrong and their company is not at all liable for anything bad to them happening even though they are like idols or whatever lmaoImagine if the Mio thing happened to a member of an IRL group the entire company would dissolve overnight, god you faggots cannot see beyond your own nose
>>79974674>entirefucking retard
>>79973821Can't they just... not making millions from his product?
>>79975548Die niji vermin.
>>79975422>FalseEyeD has always been on the side of content creatorsLmao, he is a dramafag with no respect to anything but himself>>79975460Yeah, you are right, I didn't think about it, then the problem is bigger for Fillian
>>79973438Oh I see, thank you informant anon
>>79975084>AND she had to invite management to the hospital to prove she had what she said she hadwhy are you lying? thats not what she said
It just baffles me she didnt just get a new model.
>>79973849If she pirated it, then she is over for good, because that mean she own the artist all the superchats, twitch bits, views and ads money that she has make since she started using the model.
>>79975548>Imagine if the Mio thing happened to a member of an IRL group the entire company would dissolve overnightIts more common than you think anonhttps://www.si.com/esports/league-of-legends/evil-geniuses-ssumday-sickness-clg
>>79975754>Muh esportsOh right I forgot Hololive is a gamer group and the idol stuff is tooootally secondary Fucking deranged lmao
>>79975201two for two, absolute legend
>>79974960Your conversion is outdated broThats 15 dollars now
>>79974006How new?
My two cents is they'll come to an agreement. Jindo probably doesn't want to destroy her career and sees more value in becoming a mama to fillian as it would be much more lucrative financially. They get a good chunk of money out of settlement, a percentage of merch sold will go to them and they'll be plastered on all of Fillian's merch. I hope good things for fillian but it was dumb of her to think she would get away with it forever especially with how large she's grown in numbers.
why the fuck did she just not commission her own model? She broke enough gear to commisision dozens of 3D models and she cheaps out on this of all things? Is this some woman moment with "this 3D model I bought for 40 bucks is literally me and it wouldn't be me if I commissioned my own OC"?
>>79974160Thing is, it wasn't commissioned at all.
>>79975376>mfw filian blew me>got blown by a damn thiefim gonna be sick
Seth, you are an evil shit.
>>79975804>says that a company would dissolve overnight>show him proof otherwise>b-but muh esports
>>79969723>she went behind the back of not ONE(1) but TWO(2) of the artists who's models she has used for commercial gainI am looking at the possible runner-up for Dumbest Bitch in Vtubing. Right up there with The Clique girls.
>>79975327They can't defend her because she blatantly broke ToS and even pirated the model in the first place so she never had any rights to begin with. She'll just get treated like a "bad apple" who misled everyone around her.
>>79976355Potentially 3https://booth.pm/en/items/3368697
>>79973849Link to stream or a clip? Anyone can put subtitles under an image
>>79976525>>79973975
>>79975923>destroy her careerNigga she is gonna have thee whole japanese marker supporting her.
>>79975923The funniest thing about this is that all Jindo asked was for him to be told that merch was going to be made. That is it. But we somehow are now at him being the evil one.Like imagine a big well known corpo makes a product using your work and you don't even know about it. But since this is vtubing and the talent is female the other side HAS to be the evil one. Everyone knows female vtubers are sweet innocent people who never do any wrong.
>>79970290Filianfags its over for you niggers now.
>>79976506Oh fucking come on. Really?
>>79976506This one she's fine on.
>>79971991You know, Claude. For once, you're actually right.
>>79976690considering 90% of streamers who are nonces and retards are male like disrespect and keemstar then yeah females are more likely innocent
>>79976737Watch them settle a deal.
Doing a redesign is too risky. Is why she never did it.When they changed fubuki model they were afraid of loosing or allienating fans.Some other big indies after changing models also get a hit in viewership because it doesnt feel the same. There is risk in redesigning.A vtuber model is a face, is like if your brother or friend suddenly came with a similar face next day. It feelsweird from what you are used to.Not saying she shouldnt have gotten a new model earlier to respect ringo tos just saying why she probably didnt do it.
>>79976690I think only /flip/ is on her side. Even the people that like her are saying how dumb she was. She has money, se could have rebranded like Doki.
>>79972112>We /vt/ fully support the "talent freedom" of content creators/vt/ wants all vtubers to be owned by Japanese businessmen.
>>79977230ironmousezensnuffy
>>79973217The more I read into this, the more I'm convinced this was all intentional.
>>79970330Stupid anon, the models are sold for VRchat, not becoming a vtuber and selling merch of it. What artist sells commercial rights of a model for 40 bucks? You guys are out of your bloody minds. So, by your logic, if you pay 200 dollars on a Hatsune Miku figurine, then from that moment, you get the right to sell your own Miku merch?
>>79973217To play devil's advocate. The kart itself is unique.
>>79970534Spoken like a true black company shill.
>>79977435Im and mouse are more outfits. Not rebranding.The loss of snuffy teacher model was a tragedy forever. And nine of her current models have recaptured that popularity ever again.
>>79977683>I don't know how to read.
>>79969723>Doki is an artist herself and always treated artists the best>but she's also very good friend with FilianLet's see who's side she will take with this
>>79977230>Doing a redesign is too risky. Is why she never did it.Compared to...this? She could have just hired Anny to make a legally distinct copy.
>>79977230While the concerns over the risks of losing brand recognition over changing her image are understandable, consider: >>79977435Ironmouse gets new designs like every 4 months at least, and her popularity hasn't diminished because of it. If Mouse can, then Filian, with her popularity, surely could too.
>>79977939I think doki knows better than most that Filian isn't being malicious, just tremendously retarded. She probably rolled her eyes and went "Filian, you retard" when this popped on her feed.
>>79974947Mio did not develop pancreatis due to overwork. She said it was probably from poor health choices like not eating right and not prioritizing sleep.Mio's work load at hololive isn't especially high. She does a normal amount of streaming and isn't in too many projects. She had an upcoming concert, but not much else.Mio's manager came and visited her at the hospital upon Mio's own request. She wanted to talk to her in person because her hospitalization meant she wouldn't be able to participate in hololive Gamer's live event. Cover worked with her and didn't penalize her for missing the concert.You're purposefully mischaracterizing what happened, and the fact you're using Mio in particular means you are an irredeemable nigger with no shame.Kill yourself.
>>79974947 >>79974674Consequences of acting like a nigger. You'll end up getting treated like one.
>>79973438Just for comparison
>>79970330Pretty sure the "contact me" part is so people won't use the Rindo model for stupid stuff merch-related, they have to contact the licensor and he can say "no".Imagine if someone started to sell cannabidiol and the Rindo model was plastered all over the box or flask, you don't want that to happen with your IP. Much fucking less if you are Japanese due to the horrendous possible social consequences. Not even taking into account the possible legal ones.Same with other more common stuff like fleshhlights or even some energy drink products, i-fucking-magine if they plaster your design over an alcoholic energy drink and advertise it with "drink till you can't", the Nijisanji fuck-up all over again. And you are involved by pure association, i guess it can be tiresome, could make me paranoid if I was an artist.You just don't know what your work is going to be used for. And unfortunately, sometimes it's not just porn. Hopefully it would stay at that.In this case, he probably ran out of patience after hearing or watching Filian keep producing merch after merch and not a single email was ever sent to him. The Nendoroid being the final nail in the coffin because if he didn't say a thing know, Filian was practice going to go turbo with the stuff she can sell going forward. It was now or never because it's clear Filian was never going to bother with him, he has to bother with her. And the TOS said it should have been the opposite.
>>79970290What's worse is there she probably just pirated it so she broke the TOS again and a few Japanese laws and if she gets dragged into JP court, she's losing, they convict real easy anyways and they convince almost guaranteed when it is copyright infringement.This could also end in her socials getting wiped by the respective companies for TOS violations one after another in-retrospectice.
>>79977893It's more of "I shouldn't need to read". There is reason exploitative TOS are not enforceable.It's to prevent scummy companies from making a book long TOS and fill with gotchas inside.
>>79978408>illiterate and proud.
>>79976976>please contact the Licensor(s)>nothing about it being prohibited
>>79978207she didn't even edit the texture, that's literally one of the color options in the model's psd.
>>79969723>People finding out for the first time that if you buy something you dont have the right to replicate it and sell it
>>79978251Usually artists, even when they sell the rights to their creations or are comissioned by a business, will include a clause about not using their work in illegal ways or ways that would harm the reputation of the artist.I think the reason for the "contact me" portion of the terms of use for the model is so that the artist can negotiate for a small portion of the profits or outright reject certain products like you mentioned that they don't want to associate with.
>>79977939>>Doki is an artist herself and always treated artists the best>>but she's also very good friend with FilianFriends? Anon, they worked together because it's good for brand and networking. You think Doki is still talking to the Tekken people or more than half of the WrestleTuber people? Doki has always been status first, friendship second and will gladly ditch whoever for the next new flavour.
>>79978490The SEA way
>>79978408There's nothing exploitative or hidden about the artist's terms of use in OP.They even provided picture iconography to illustrate what was and wasn't allowed.That goes above and beyond most contracts and it doesn't really get any clearer than that.
Fillian and several indies about to get a few offers for cheap 3D models real soon.
>>79970210Maid Mint is Filian?????
Why did snackgers not hound her to commission an original model earlier?
>>79978668The ironic thing is she didn't even pay for it.
>>79979117>paying for free shitLMAO RETARDNext you're gonna tell me you buy games or pay for streaming services kek
>>79974960you know what, I'm happy that entry level vtubing is more affordable now, give me more indies
>>79978647Oh yeah i didn't see it because it's on different folder, but hair definitely edited because i could only found one. Also are these sweats or cum drip?
>>79971588Why are you proud of being a cocksucking cuck?
>>79978026Mouse can get away with it because the wgole sickness thing.She treats the models as clothing in her own word.
>>79979236sweat and tears probably
>>79979073They've been doing it for over two years, she told them to fuck off.
>>79979624Also, they all follow a consistent design philosophy. With a couple exceptions I could post any of them and (assuming you're familiar with her to begin with) you'd instantly know "that's Ironmouse".The thing is, filian could have easily done the same thing, she could have made a totally original character do not steal of Rindo, but she chose not to because ???
Seeing artists cry over copyright rights is so funny. Every STEM student knows that you can steal anything (unless the technology is so complicated that you need the whole GDP of Romania and an entire dedicated university to steal it)
>>79979236I bought the model years ago and it has multiple color options for the clothes and hair and eyes. It's not edited (and even then shifting the hue doesn't count as an edit).
>79979886filiancuckis are truly retarded
>>79979886good morning sir
>>79979886>Every STEM student knows that you can steal anythingShould have done that instead of using a model made by another dude.
>>79979886>sports teacherSure you wish you were a chad, rajeshMeatheads are not gonna care about generating AIslop themselves
>>79973924Let be real, she will never get a full right, that model are popular and have been license to over 100 to 1000 peoples.
>>79978490You don't even know how to greentext, do you expect me to believe that you have read every single TOS in your life?
>>79978556You are ignorant.Property rights not explicitly granted in a license are reserved by default.
>>79979959If true, then she's hard FUCKED.
>flips>gets a new model>everything okay
>>79970330They literally don't have any rights to any of your income, they simply tell you to not commercially sell the model including through merch without simply asking first IE exactly what Filian did. God you snackers are retarded.
>>79979257Bold coming from someone whose mind immediately defaults to cuckokdry the moment an anime girl acknowledges an anime boy.
>>79980903That's not gonna erase all the copyright and IP infringement she comitted. And also the model she's been using all the time is entrenched onto her streamer brand that people will leave in droves once she stops using it.
>>79979886>Every STEM student knows that you can steal anythingThe only thing every STEM student knows at the end of their degree is that they should have done one in business instead.>t. PhD in STEM
on the bright side maybe it finally means fillian will get her own model
>>79978096Anon, hololive regularly has its talents come in to the office for company mandated benders where they get blackout drunk and miss the next 1-2 days. Mio's pancreas exploded due to excess alcohol consumption.
>>79981033Yeah you're right, it's going to be erased within a week because faggots are going to move onto new drama. Yeah that's why big named streamers have completely dried up when they model switched.
i just don't understand why Filian just didn't get her own model. she can easily afford it
>>79980055good evening comrade :(>>79980158I find it inspiring. Now, artists need to invent something that AI cannot do. (like when camera was invented)>>79980092>>79981041I am a physicist and electrical engineer. Last time, I created a neural network to predict Kepler objects to be planets. But I guess you're right, a PhD in physics looks grim. However, if I do a PhD in America, I will find Fauna. Right now, I am aiming for Germany because of CC. That delusion is the only thing keeping me going.
>>79981166Let's just hope she ain't completely brain-dead when it comes to settling disputes privately and professionally first. Then, we'll do the victory lap.
I hope the artists files a cease and desist while this is resolved so she has to stop streaming with the model immediately, because it would be funny
>>79981041>The only thing every STEM student knows at the end of their degree is that they should have done one in business instead.>>79981437>But I guess you're right, a PhD in physics looks grimguess I lucked out, my field is booming here and even my autistic ass got to know people in large companies that would very much like to hire me after it
>>79981196Proof next thread, right SEAtard?
>>79981347Stupid, lazy, zoomer brain, narcissism? Take your pick.
>>79973499She doesn't sell that content in public. Also the model is heavily modified
>>79974303She did use that to call a funding to her merch this time. She did release merch 4 times before the artist discover her action
>>79975460Damn, that's grim
>>79971712I'm sorry to break it to you but you need to pay for the stuff you want, also ai images can't get registered so no one stops other people to monetize your ai vtuber.
>>79974160Your fault for not be able to read, chud
>>79977970>AnnyGood luck waiting 3 years for 1 full body model
