>recent tweets all deleted>people digging up proof of you saying you pirated the paid modelhttps://youtu.be/bbmYkcsUTXg?si=dO160vOCwodvbOVg&t=5it's fucking over, isn't it. They actually got her on something. When was the last time a vtuber this big got fully cancelled? Do you think she'll disappear from the Internet forever?
>>80039557Go back troon
No, but I do hope she does a naked dogeza because I still need to fap for the day.
>>80039557>this bigWho?
>>80039557They are clearly negotiating this under the table.
The Goodsmile tweet announcing her nendo is gone as well.Yeah, it's over.
>>80039557Why is it still not resolved? just contact the artist, say you are sorry, give them some money and make a statement.
She fucked up big time
>>80040081Does she really have a manager? I've seen way too many replies on /vt/ saying, "She needs a manager."
>>80039557My popcorns are ready.
>>80039791GSC also removed the painted sample nendo from their booth on AX.
>>80040081uh oh...
>>80039791They removed her from the AX display too
>>80040081>>80040165Never mind. After the fifth time reading that, I'm finally not a retard.
how fucked is she? Is there any way back from this? Is there any way this will also harm her whore friend Layna?holy frick I love vtuber drama so much it's unreal
>>80040165>(My manager is me)Anon, I...
>>80039687unfortunately she don’t have the permissions for that
>>80040219But I thought Mint respects artists
>>80040023because Filian is just a single person/indie vtuber all on her own. She might has gotten big and popular but she probably has no idea how to deal with any of this. Hopefully she has friends that could advice her.
>>80040258nah, Filian got got. It's funny how despite being a westoid chubba, she could survive a George Floyd joke and not get cancelled, only to be finally done in by the good old copyright system. No one can escape it, especially retards.
>>80039557>>people digging up proof of you saying you pirated the paid modelWhat a stupid bitch. All she had to do was pay for a new model that she owned the rights to and none of this would have happened, even the priacy comment wouldn't have mattered then. Indies really got high on their own supply didn't they? Explains why liggers are so insufferable on this board too.
>>80040266>>80040227
>>80039557This can end in 2 waysEither she somehow convinced the OG to not sue her and got a decent contract discussion to let her monetize the model through merch. She post an apology tweet and promised to not let it happen again and things will resume as normal even though her PR took a hitOr she post a tweet announcing her indefinite hiatus / graduation and she has to remove every content that used her model and cancels all of her merch until she found an original model to profit from. But the decision of whether she will be back or not will be uncertain
>>80040258Her career as Filian is fucked.Her only option is to reincarnate and join a corpo like Vshojo or Phase Connect.
>>80040294Oh, dang...
>>80040509She's a terminal zoomer. There's absolutely know way she has the capacity for the former of those options. Hell, she had a fit hosting a debate show on her stream and wouldn't let the debaters debate.
>>80039557Kek, I guess the lawsuit is going to happen and she is trying to hide evidence.I would love to know how much money the artist will settle for.
>>80040310>Women>Being consistentPick one.
>>80040646If it goes to court, her having deleted evidence is a crime in itself
>>80039557>>80040081>>80040219>>80040258>>80040532https://files.catbox.moe/0q6ysm.webmIs this her final yab?
>>80039557How could she be that retarded ?She'll have to take the L and lose money in the process to resolve the conflict with the artist and do a bigass apology letter or else she's completely finishedWas she hard, especially with the amount of money she has, to pull a Vedal to avoid that kind of bullshit ?
>>80040310>June 3rdOver a month ago, before any of this happened
>>80039557Fucking based my king I won't forget you
>>80040735 (me)Was it hard** (ESL moment)Filian being autistic put aside, I don't understand why she didn't think about that kind of shit beforehand, now the situation became extremely complicated for her
>>80039557what tweets got deleted? got links+screenshots?
>>80040646I think her biggest fear is that she could potentially get doxxed if it goes to court.
>>80040817She's a brainrotten zoomer. They can't think further than 5 seconds in both the past and the future.
>>80040726what the FUCK is that
>>80039557Is she being cancelled by people who actually watch her? Something tells me this won't be as catastrophic for her in the long run as people are assuming because her zoomer fanbase just don't care about things like copyright law
>>80040850These ones.
>>80040850At least the "uh oh" reply one to the double community noted good smile tweet. I assume more since the most recent tweet now is over a week old
>>80039557god damnit filianI hope you’re okay
>>80039557Thanks for reminding us why twitchers are considered a joke in the West.
>>80040928Copyright Laws are a huge deal in the JP-dominated Vtube industry.She'll probably end up getting blacklisted
>>80039557What a retarded way for your career to come crashing down.
>>80040817>I don't understand why she didn't think about that kind of shit beforehand, now the situation became extremely complicated for herIts the narcissistic ligger mentality that has them all thinking they can thumb their noses at all the corpo rules and not suffer any consequences. Not realizing that they only exist in this legal gray area when they aren't getting too big and selling merch, then you need to actually take this stuff seriously.
>>80040646There's no hiding the merch that she already sold beforehand.
>>80039557How is it over? She's gonna take a potentially big hit monetarily, but this will have 0 effect on her fanbase. She was already the most hated vtuber on twitter by vtweeters and sisters, so she isnt gonna lose any fans over this. She just needs to take the L and pick herself back up.
>>80040928she's being cancelled by the same people who have been trying to for the past months, vtweeters and troons. Except now they have actual ammo, and not just muh hurt feefees.
>>80040726
Goodbye FilianAnother grifting whore out of the vtubing industry that wont be missed
https://x.com/TsubakiKuro666/status/1809481090769522996
>>80041122and the little zoomers dumb enough to actually watch this lame ass react streamer won't care
>>80040735>>80040817She's a woman and she got away with other shitty behavior before. Like how she pressured Henya to cancel a schedule stream to play Suika game instead
>>80040258>how fucked is she?>multiple full clips where she admits she stole the model>terms of use explicitly stated>GoodSmile deleted the tweet>display removed from Anime Expo>deleted her own tweet>she did the same thing to another Japanese artist>everyone brought up all the other merchandise madeCopyright is gonna fuck her good.
>>80041151her dances were cute, though. but couldn't stand her zoom zoom "humor"anyway, Goodbye Filian o7
>>80041060Clearly not a big enough deal for GSC to make sure she owns the character before announcing a nendo of it
>>80040726What the fuck. The ghosts in Asia are built different.
>>80041122they had "ammo" when she made the george floyd joke, but she jsur ignored them. this issue is entirely between her and the artist, so screeching sisters can't do much here
>>80041215She never broke the law before. This is completely different
>>80039557The damage control is starting. Don't fuck this up filipino boy. Could be a major set back to her career
>>80041215>making fun of a black guy on the same level as literally breaking copyright lawle nothing burger
>>80039557Abayo Filian o7
>>80040023The point is, the model was bought by many people, and giving the right for merch exclusively to her will cause a bad precedent to the rest of those buyers
>>80040258as a streamer shes gonna be fine if mikeneko can survive with the yabs she can as wellfor sponsors tho shes prob permanently blacklisted nowfor collabs right now shes fucking radioactive and only a select few would even dare go near herher awards show? oh well thats done for sure
>>80041562Proof or source that Mikeneko broke the law? adultery is not illegal btw
>>80041107>She was already the most hated vtuber on twitter by vtweeters and sistersDesu that title changes by the month; every Vtuber has haters on Twitter, it’s a shithole of a place.But anyway yeah it’s not over; it’s a retard moment on her behalf, one of many to be exact, and it might damage her reputation, but anyone acting like this is gonna get her cancelled or graduated is living in a fantasy land. There are so many things she could do>change models>rebrand>settle things and apologise and buy the license for the model>continue to not give a shit like she’s been doing this whole time/be oblivious like she’s been doing this whole timeFilian is a crafty bitch though who knows exactly what she’s doing, so she’ll find a way out of this. We’re talking about the same person who has somehow convinced simps to subscribe to an AI fansly of herself, it’s not over in any kind of way.
>>80040726oh thats a fucking djinn bro damn whoever sees it is cursed to die a gruesome death
>>80040023>Not her 1st time to do it>Claimed she pirated it>Involvement with a game>Claimed to be the creator of the character in that gameIf the Japanese side dig deep enough, they'll see it all. She must act fast before they can do it
>>80041709even me!??!
>>80041644how fucking new
>>80041562Oh no.... what about Sayu? Filian was one of the few who stood by her, and you would think she would unquestionably reciprocate. However, if she becames too much of a brand risk, Sayu might have to choose between Filian and her Hoyoverse contracts. Knowing her, she's probably gonna pick Filian and once again put her success at risk. Goddamnit, Filian... please disappear forever.
>>80041694>Filian is a crafty bitch though who knows exactly what she’s doingThis wouldn't have happened, retard.
>>80040410idk how free speech country got offended by a joke. in my country ppl praise US for letting you all joke at your fcking president, now you can't even joke at a criminal.
>>80041694>continue to not give a shit like she’s been doing this whole time/be oblivious like she’s been doing this whole timeI feel like if she does this the artist might really take her to court.
>>80040646The most likely is a cease and desist letter will be sent to her. If she doesn't comply lawsuit will happen later. The action of deleting all info seem like she has received the letter.
>>80041794Filian has never "stood by" anyone in her entire life. She simply leeched off Sayu's drama.
>>80041866? this isn't a public issue, she just had to sort things out with the artist privately. afterwards, she can just ignore the mob of nijisisters with no issue
>>80041694>change models>still owes royalties>rebrand>still owes royalties>settle things>already nuking tweets>continue to not give a shit>guaranteed suit and this effectively nuked her sponsorships and potential collabsOkay anon
>>80041518not exclusive. the merch required is to contact the artist, it 100% just need to take some cut for him.
>>80041644>If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.It's right there in Levictus 20:10 my bro
The best part about all this is she's had a different model already designed and finished for two years but just never did a debut and switched to it.
>>80041990>this isn't a public issue>GoodSmile>the second artist>all previous parties selling her merch
>>80041846>free speech countrylol. lmao. people get arrested for memes. USA has been a comunist shithole since at least the past 3 and a half year, maybe even more, despite a different leader at the time. And it's never gonna get better, only worse.
>>80041990I thought you were implying ignoring everyone. Including the artist.
>>80040735Vedal paid Rune in the end. Rune no longer draw neuro out of comission
>>80040258She can solve it with money but this is a huge setback and a knock to her credibility. The nendo is dead. It's going to be a long ass time to build herself back up in the eyes of sponsors. It should go without saying but This doesn't happen without a new model
The nendo is dead forever and I don't know how it is for indies but nendos are pretty important for the rest of the scene.
>>80042019>King David commits adulteryAll powerful GOD: ...
>>80041990The Nendoroid is probably already cancelled. Nip companies don't take being lied to about IP ownership lightly.
>>80041999Trademark protection may have something with her changing the brandname of the product
>>80042063Let's go Brandon
>>80041107This.She'll have to pay some cash, worst case scenario in installments. Her fanbase is still there and doesn't care about any of this.
>>80041694>every Vtuber has haters on Twitter, it’s a shithole of a place.i honestly dont think any other vtuber has as many haters as her on that site than after the george floyd joke. just interacting with mint on twitter made the elira and pomu shippers have a massive meltdown and drop mint
>>80041644>Mafu files slander suit against third party>turns out to be Mike samefaggingWoman moment
>>80041999Cut for previous products too, if the artist know about it
>>80042214Fortunately for other indies they dont commit copyright theft and actually work with their mama/papas to get deals done so they will get their nendos without issues.Unlike a certain someone
>>80041644she killed a fucking cat with a goddam door and broke multiple nda contracts retard
Filian did nothing wrong
>>80041107You underestimate how important PR is in the west. Who gives a fuck about fans. They are irrelevant and replaceable. she's probably be avoided by all corpos and important people in the business not because she's bad but because she's tainted and it's bad for business. She can say goodbye to any collab or work with serious artists in the industry.
Funny tweets are resurfacing by searching Fillian nowhttps://x.com/PetiscoClips/status/1801736375404007458https://x.com/kyupiroux/status/1798054894810943574https://x.com/FilianWOTD/status/1800256624667324658
>>80041794I really dont know but sayu kinda is irrelevant now especially after she joined another chinese black companyits gonna be pretty intresting now to see all of filian’s collab leechers like camilia suddenly dissapear and we will see who her real friends are nowFilian is gonna have to face reality now and become an adult
>>80041760especially (You)
>>80042457brother, she made a joke about george floyd and hitler. her reputation on twitter has been in the gutter for over a year. a copyright violation unironically does less damage to your PR than the jokes filian made. the only reason so many people are fuming is because of the residual hatred from those jokes
>>80039557>They actually got her on something.Yes and no.She's very obviously in trouble, but she can't actually be sued over this.The THREAT of being sued is probably scaring her at best, and the original artist has been appearing very open to privately discuss things.Either way yes she fucked up but she's not going to be cancelled. At worst, she'll lose any possibility of having a nendo and will need to use a new model.
>>80042410She's still a piece of shit, but I'm pretty sure Mafu is the one that killed the cat.
>>80041248to be fair, that is on her, not them. shes supposed to make sure she has owns the character and she should have done this ages ago, I always found it odd she picked a random avatar from vrchat and just stuck with it instead of getting a custom one to avoid problems like this but hey, little late for that.
>>80042689Two dumb jokes completely ruin your reputation these days? The internet used to be just that constantly and no one was ruined. Take me back...
>>80042732>she can't actually be sued over thisI think she can.
>>80042745Pretty sure the cat just died of natural causes and she blamed it on him and said he abused it. I don't think either of them are capable of killing an animal. At least not intentionally.
>>80042782mostly in the west, but yea. thats all it takes
>>80039557She'll be fine. Non-deranged twitter freaks like her. Anyone who doesn't is just another hate filled internet zombie with no moral compass.She's cute, says silly things and falls down a lot. Pretty sure she'll just buy her way out of this and get a new model.The stream of her showing off said new model will recoup any of the costs she made getting it.Cute anime girl stays winning, haters stay hating, and everyone else enjoys the show.
>>80039634fpbp
>>80042732>she'll lose any possibility of having a nendoBrother that's not a possibility she lost that a few hours ago.
>>80042834For the record the Filian plush alone made her over 100k and that artist is also involved in this.
>>80042816From what I remember the claim was that he was slamming the door after/during an argument and the cat just happened to be there. Both are unreliable narrators, though, so who knows.
>>80042834No more nendo...
>>80042732>you cant get sued for copyright theftWanna bet?
>>80042732>she can't actually be sued over this.She literally can. By both artists.
>>80042918Filian's about to make Kuro's 300k in taxes look like nothing.
>>80042918Never had any permission to sell that plush btw
>>80042745>>80042816>>80042927The cat died normally. The shitty thing was her leaving its urn with the garbage when she left after sympathy baiting with its death in the first place.
>>80042834>>80042732Why did you guys omit the fact that she could potentially be blacklisted by a bunch of JP corps?She has a collab scheduled on Monday with Nerissa that will probably end up getting canceled.
God I really hope she settles behind lock doors and gets a new model and move on like nothings happens. I don’t watch her but I’ll watch her and be a new fan to own those groomers from Twitter.Nobody cares about the death of a dude that overdosed in drugs.
>>80042834>Non-deranged twitter freaks like herTiktok crowd are the same people AnonThat's some cope
>>80043183I don't watch Nerissa so I literally don't care
>>80042918>She can't be sued for this>plush alone made her over 100kYeah, she's fucked. What a stupid bitch.
>>80042732>she can't actually be sued over this.Motherfucker, she sold merch of multiple IPs she did not own. In what universe can she not be sued for that?
she can get out of this easily, just pay the artist and unveil her own model . win win
>>80040023Because this thing have blown out of proportion that the only way to do it is the right way. Getting permission black and white without any doubt of deception whatsoever.
>>80043224That's one less Fillian stream too, smoothbrain
Always funny when you watch 11 year olds defend a grifter. They're going to lose their babysitter and you are all laughing
>>80042782it was a better time
>>80042834she should add a twitch sub goal for paying off her debt
>>80043229>>80043005>>80042942Reminder that Legal Mindset already went over this and that a tl;dr is that the only thing keeping Filian safe is being not stationed in Japan. You can hope all you want but unless you're going into international law details like he did, you're out of luck.
>>80043253>just pay the artistAnon, I don't think you understand how much money that's going to be now that the cat's out of the bag.It's not JUST for the nendo, her plush toy, any other merch she's sold, she's going to be paying up for whatever she's already sold too.
what are the chances of a stream today? Let's be honest, if she doesn't come back today she's never coming back
>no more JPs tainted by this whoreWinning
>>80043112Pretty sure the urn was for her hamster.
>>80039557>recent tweets all deletedIs this really true? Seems kind of counter-productive to start deleting shit only to stop and perfectly place >>80040081, the most incriminating one, like fifth in her current twitter page. Seriously, now there's three image tweets and then the manager one is right next to them.https://x.com/filianIsLost
>>80040258She need to resolved it with the artists(both) asap or she get bombarded with questions while using her ringo on stream. In other words, she won't be streaming until this is settle.
>>80043427You know he's not a real lawyer, right?
>grifter>whore>zoomerwhat are other overused buzzwords that people don't really know the meaning of?
>>80043427So she's not actually safe because they can go the international route? Got it.
>>80042063Anon...America hasn't been a free country since 1913
>>80043502sus
>>80043431doesnt matter, if she can pay it all back she can start new with her new model. she can sell shit with the new model to gain back the money
>>80042782And you know the funniest part? Nobody even actually cares, keyword: actually; This is all just to pretend to be holier than thou. You know how in the past only the wealthy were fat, had colorful clothes and makeup to distinguish themselves from the plebs? This is how they're trying today, by playing as the "good" guy.It's just a big game of lies, literally the Patrick Bateman bit from beginning of American Psycho, and if one day everyone collectively stops caring then these people will just "rebrand" themselves.Case in point:>people "care" and "bitch" about fentanyl man but don't care where all the money for "black lives" that apparently "matter" went>hint: millions of dollars went to 1 or 2 "black lives" to live in white neighbourhoods, $0 to people who actually needed it, yes even "black owned" small business
>>80042063Literally every country has things that are politically incorrect. Admit what your country is and I can instantly name some example.
>>80043679It was free from 2016-2020 and might be free again in 2024
>>80043762Good smile has deleted the tweet announcing the nendoFilian has deleted her tweet about itFilian is currently in hiding behind a bullshit excuse of "my PC died!"Keep on the damage control and maybe your babysitter wont kill herself by the end of the month
>>80041992Any decent lawyer would tell the artist to not sue and simply to send a C&D as the legal procedures would incur enough costs that any payout they might receive would be almost entirely swallowed by them.
>>80043856Free to be Israel's bitch? Yippie!
>>80043861inb4 Bao drops her like a sack of bricks
>>80043861What? I think you meant to reply to someone else lmao
>>80043861>back tomorrowshe's not coming back
>>80043747>if she can pay it all backsirs this is women
>>80043980if Bao and Nerissa drop her, then the collab radioactivity will be finalized. If even Sayu drops her, then it becomes nuclear
>>80043183>by a bunch of JP corpsSo? It's not like that'll hurt her in the long term. How many collabs has she done and how much has that actually been a driving force for her "content"? The only actually painful consequence of this will be for her will be the monetary factor. She'll most likely pay a small amount as part of some settlement (this will assuredly not go to court, it would simply not be worth the time or effort or indeed, even the money for the original artist) and will face an extreme uphill battle when trying to attract future endorsements and sponsors. The latter is the far more dire consequence for her.Her core audience wont care, and most of the twitch vtubers that didn't already blacklist her due to the Floyd joke also won't care. Perhaps the ones that are artists themselves will, and even that is not assured.
>straight up banning people in the Discord who question what's going on, even those without malicious intent
>>80039557how is she canceled, I can still see her
>>80044081Layna can still collab with her.
>>80044081Word most likely got to Holo management about the GS stuff. Expect something to "come up" for Nerissa.
>>80044132>tattoosno thanksat least Marimari underscore EN can still collab with her
>>80039687She doesn't even know what that is, genuinely all she knows about japan is hentai and very surface anime memes
>>80039557>a vtuber this bigI didnt even know who she was until you twitterfags started spamming the catalogue
>>80044098Well, that’s not good.
>>80044098Horrible move if true. Its so fucking over
>>80044213MariMari underscore EN won't risk her prosperity and good reputation for her.
>>80041709
>>80044224Well, she at least knows how to get naked, so 50% of the way is clear...
>>80044270JOE BIDEN
>>80044111Trips of truth
>>80044098>>80044235most of the people getting kicked are joking about it>uh oh gets you a warning
>>80043427WowSurely everyone will forgive her for fucking over artists since she's not in Japan
>>80043865You do know that merch is by far the biggest moneymaker for a streamer right? Filian also didn't contact Komada, and made a plush using his model's design. That plush went on to sell almost 3.5k units on Makeship. At $30.00 each. That's over $100,000. And that's ONE merch drop.
>>80044284Immunity dog a cuteCUTE
>>80044098>banning shit stirring drama tourists and nijishartsbased
>>80043861>I fricked up my PCUh oh
>>80044098oh nononono
>>80044313So its not a joke
>>80044313>uh oh gets you a warningThat’s even worse, desudesune. Considering its association, that is.
>>80043865>any decent lawyer would tell you not to sue over hundreds of thousands of dollars in damageslol okay
>>80044296Yes, MariMari_En is a trump supporter, we know.https://youtu.be/8m_4gPTaQN0
>>80044342So? This would not only be a multinational dispute, but would also include overly complex copyright laws requiring specialists with steep per hour rates (and even a regular lawyer costs a good chunk of money).This would be a clusterfuck of a case and could potentially take years to resolve.
>>80044445Yeah dude dont you know? Lawyers HATE winning and getting money
>>80044400It's pretty funny.
>>80044098Fil bros is fucking over.
>>80043861filian just hire a fucking manager and a good lawyer and pay up. theres no need to be scared or graduate. why is mythic not helping this dumb child
>>80041002Oh no, she got community noted. Xwitter is really butthurt.Does the artist need to approve everything she does forever? Scam artist.
Haha, I'm definitely getting my FILL of laughs tonight!
>>80044681If she doesn't want to seek the artist's approval all she has to do is commission a unique design. Of course that won't undo what she already did so
>>80043861>pc issuelmaoOkay, you coward
>>80039557>>80043861>>80044098Oh yeah that's some terrible coping, this will defenitely leave a mark on her "fearless no-filter" persona.
>>80044445>damagesProblem is you can easily make the argument (and her lawyer very much so would) that they aren't "damages" as no sales would have been made and no revenue would have been accumulated if she hadn't in fact associated her character and own transformative product to the raw material in question. So then the point of debate would be whether or not they are damages and to what extend the actual avatar had any sort of bearing on her popularity and ability to accrue revenue. The most likely end to this hypothetical case would be a settlement payment of some sort anyways, one that would not ever get anywhere near close to the total profits (not revenue, as many multiple parties take a chunk out of the final asking price of the product, as they do with any product sold on the market) that Fillian made.So the end result would be whatever was left after the artist had to pay their potential team of lawyers for potentially hundreds of hours of work.Sure, an unscrupulous and shortsighted lawyer might still try to convince him to try and sue her due to the ability to log a shit ton of hours, but anyone with their clients actual best interests in mind (as well their own reputation) would advise against such a drastic step.
It would be so based if she got in stream tomorrow and just said>Drama? What drama? I don't give a frick about any drama chat. Haha! Are you ready for our collab with Bao mother truckers?
>>80043861How unfortunate that her PC frickin died after deleting that heckin tweet.
>>80044342She's a filthy rich woman, I know
>>80039557
>>80044098All shitcord mods are trannies. Never go there and never will
>>80044793It would be even more based if she naked dogeza and sucked Jingo's strap on on stream.
>>80044691*ba dum tssss*
All she had to do was to simply commission artists to get her own model instead of wasting all her money constantly breaking her stuff.I'm sure even someone from her community would've been cool making her a cheap model free of charge and royalty free.
>>80044887*bows*Thank you! Thank you! I'll be here all week! =D
>>80043066Oh shit they knew
>>80044284the djinn is from SEA anon you know what they do to dogs
>>80044911She already had a model. The dumb bitch just didn't use it.
>>80044980Isn’t a djinn an old desert legend?
>>80044477based
>>80044993Proof?
>>80044786Everything in your post is wrong. Lemme just concentrate on this one thought because retards keep repeating it.>one that would not ever get anywhere near close to the total profits (not revenue, as many multiple parties take a chunk out of the final asking price of the product, as they do with any product sold on the market) that Fillian made.US law is very clear on this, if you violate copyright you are entitled to ALL profits. 17 U.S. Code § 504. They could take her and her distributors to court for the entire profit.
>>80044911Even Vedal, who has less streaming experience and less money was smart enough to commission his own model for Neuro to avoid getting into this kind of stupid trouble.
>>80045138>US lawThis is not just US law, which is the big problem at the core of this issue.>They could take her and her distributors to court And complicate this matter further and now you're fighting not just against a private entity, but also potentially multinational corporations, who will and have had drawn out court proceedings in the past for years and years in an effort to simply bankrupt the private persons suing them.Good luck fighting those guys.
>>80045183Vedal is a beta femboi
>>80045260Ok? Are you an underaged retard just regurgitating random memes?
>>80040258Settle with the model owner.Finally order a fucking custom one. Ask for permission to keep some likeness to the old one, but add enough stuff to make it distinct. Neuro-sama is a good example of that.
Realistically, the most that's going to happen is a potential sponsor/Collab blacklist. I think she'll try to settle with the artists asap but it's probably going to be a pretty significant amount. But honestly, can the payout even be enforced? Like can she just ignore the cease and desist, stop streaming altogether and just fuck off into the sunset?
>>80045330>underagedI'm 39yes to everything else you said, Vedal
>>80045330Anon wants to fuck vedal
>>80045410That's just it, none of this can be enforced once she makes the excuse that she did not download the model from the artist directly or the artist's website, but from another person using it on vrchat.She is not on the hook legally for acquiring the model, which puts into question the legality of her selling merch of it as well. It's not cut and dry "this is illegal, you must pay". Any decent lawyer will get her out of this easily.
>>80045514Ignorance of the law isn’t immunity from the law.
>>80045514and even a bad lawyer will destroy her because she's clearly in the wrong. Are you genuinely retarded?
>>80044786>Problem is you can easily make the argument (and her lawyer very much so would) that they aren't "damages" as no sales would have been made and no revenue would have been accumulated if she hadn't in fact associated her character and own transformative product to the raw material in question.The "raw material" had specific instructions on how it can be used and by purchasing it you agreed to use by the instructions stated in the terns and conditions. Which states you have to ask its owner if you wish to make merchandise of their IP. And this rest on the fact that she did indeed purchased the model.
>>80045514The biggest issue for the artist is that there's a bunch of parties that are culpable in this as well that have distributed the merch, fabricated it, etc. That is potentially up to what, a dozen parties? Taking all of them to court would bankrupt the vast majority of people and will take up the entirety of their lives for like a decade plus. It's easiest even for him to just C&D her. Even a settlement payment isn't guaranteed.
>>80045514You mean any decent lawyer will squeeze Filian dry. Your best bet is praying that she doesn't get sued by either artist because they're definitely going to win.
>>80045582Prove it. All it takes is a shred of doubt in the court room.Not like this will go to court anyway. It will be settled outside of court for a meagre amount.
>>80040704Yes that is spoliation. Courts usually give adverse inference as a punishment which is basically the judge or jury assuming that whatever was deleted was evidence of wrongdoing regardless of if is actually was or wasn't
>>80045591And that point, the purchasing / leasing conditions (that she may or may not have explicitly agreed upon) and the finer intricacies would be argued about for years.Listen, I'm NOT saying that she's in the right. I'm saying that it's not worth the sheer time and money that a court case would take.If the guy has any sense, he'll just try to get some money (like a 100k or something) and a written agreement from her to not use the model anymore.
Turns out building up a powder keg as your throne is a bad idea.>flips>destroys own career
>>80045699>Listen, I'm NOT saying that she's in the right. I'm saying that it's not worth the sheer time and money that a court case would take.This. Anyone who knows the US court system knows this to be true.
>>80045183Vedal is a guy, and a nerd. He has easier time understanding stuff like that as a baseline. Yes I'm calling Filian here a dumbass precisely because she is a woman.
>>80040294Thankfully she doesn't need permissions, she's based like that.
>>80044081I don't mean to shit on Sayu, but considering how fast she dropped her 3D artists I think it's safe to assume she'll preemptively pull the gun on avoiding controversy.
>>80045699twittersisters don't understand that even a "guaranteed win" in court is a drawnout loss for everyone's time and energy
>>80045699Yea, I think this is the most realistic take. International lawsuits are far too cost prohibitive and time consuming for it to be a viable option, unless you have a literal shitload, like multi millionaire levels, worth of cash. The artists are probably loaded but I don't think they'll sue Filian directly. But can they sue the merch distributors? Idk for sure, but if they operate in Japan, they're the easier target aren't they?
>>80045699Filian is one of the biggest Vtubers in the world. He can easily go for +500k
>>80045699Hell, hire the guy to make a new model. Why not?
>>80045881>they're the easier target aren't they?They're the worse option, actually. A lot of them probably do not operate in Japan, and large distributors have massive purses set aside for situations exactly such as these. Many times, multinationals will engage in exactly this strategem: >>80045249Draw out the proceedings for as long as possible and drag it out to as many instances as possible to simply bankrupt the other party to force a settlement worth a small fraction of the original calculated damages.
>>80045973Literal children in the thread making claims like this is pretty funny I gotta say
>>80045747Nah a lot of (dumb) women have their own unique 3D model even if they are 2 and 3views, Filian is just fucking arrogant and thinks she's too good to lower herself to commission an artist.Bragging about using the Rindo model for free instead of paying an artist was part of her schtick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbmYkcsUTXg&t=5s
>>80045990So essentially Filian committed and profited off of IP theft and will probably get away with it with nothing more than a fine/settlement. She ain't a flip. She's chinese
>>80042063fuck off trumpist piece of shit
>>80046044>Filian is just fucking arrogant and thinks she's too good to lower herself to commission an artist.I mean can you blame her with the kind of artists the Internet is filled with? Most of them likely won't even work with her because of her edgy jokes. I wonder if she could have genned an AI character based on that model and used this as an excuse that merch is based on AI gens that have no copyright.
>>80042063this was written by some islander trying to glean what merica is like from the internet
>>80044980that's not a djinn, that's a kuntianak or whatever the fuck southeast asians call their spooky ghosts
>>80041107I’ll still watch her, I do like her and this doesn’t really change how I feel about her. Or rather, I’m always worried that every indie vtuber I watch who clearly has no capacity to plan anything adequately or take care of themselves will eventually do something retarded enough that they screw themselves over. Filian was just one of my bigger worries because she never cleared up the issues with her model.
>>80040258>how fucked is she?not fucked at all, all she needs to do is comply with the requests of the artist>Is there any way back from this?Why are people acting like she's cancelled?
What's funny is that another model Filian has used, Mamehinata, actually got it's own nendoroid. As in the 3d model/character itself got a nendo, not a vtuber using it. Which much make it that much more annoying for Jingo.
>>80046626nobody outside of VRChat droolers would even know about Jingo's model if not for Fillian.
>>80041060I heard she was planning a Holo collab for Monday, guess that's scrapped as well
>>80045699I don't know anon. It says by using the model you have agreed to the terms, even if you pirated it. I'm not sure about it even taking place in the US. Article 8 of this states.>All disputesarising in connection to the clauses under this Agreement shall fall under the jurisdiction of courts inJapan...https://booth.pm/en/items/3443188>Direct link to the pagehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1QxPH35idalnqYYCs9zS9DDuTvhNSfnOv/view
>>80046612They're retarded, kids, or non-americans who have no idea about the legal system. Possibly all 3.
>>80046777this likely holds as much power as Nijisanji contracts outside of Japan
>>80046705"VRChat droolers" are enough to get Goodsmile to make a models of booth.pm models which is why it's funny to me that this happened with Filian/Rindo
>>80042320>just interacting with mint on twitter made the elira and pomu shippers have a massive meltdown and drop mintTruly the most stable minded, productive and most important people in our society... How will we EVER recover from this...
>>80046813You're probably right. But seeing that she stole from two JP artist and was working with a JP company before shit started flying it might hold some weight
>>80046495Just work with reputable popular artists who are used to working with big vtubers, it will cost you extra but at least you won't have any mishaps.All Filian has to do is to not break her shit on purpose for a couple streams to save up money.
>>80046813I don't know why people think enforcing copyright across borders is difficult. It's one of the easiest forms of international litigation because there's so many conventions protecting it and standardizing the rules surrounding it.
>>80046953enforcing any sort of law across borders is difficult
>>80046953Plus it's not like America and Japan, or America and South Korea, where Jingo lives, have some sort of horrible relations which prevent international legal action from happening.
>>80046985Cool, I'll just start self-publish Japanese manga then, because it's totally impossible for them to sue me and it wouldn't be worth it, right? Easy money.
>>80047055Surely you understand the difference between "difficult" and "impossible"
>>80039557shame, i dont think she ever pissed this board off, so she's one of the good ones getting btfo'dany liggers and aspers should realize you really should have a clean record when you go into entertainment
>>80047068Okay I phrased that wrong. I can totally self-publish Japanese manga because it's too difficult for Shonen Jump to sue me, I have nothing to worry about, right?
>>80046888Plus other booth models like rindo actually get nendoroids made of them too, and it's not like rindo isn't a popular enough model that it wouldn't get one people use it a shitton, even if it's just cause of filian it would probably have gotten a nendo down the line. There's a real possibility that the way this is settled is the filian nendo is rebranded as a rindo one and jingo gets all the profits from it. Of course that depends on both jingo even would want that, and if filian or any lawyers she has would actually come up with or agree to that.
>>80042834anon, her circle and their fans are a big family of those deranged twitter freaks. she's losing a bunch of connections at the most optimal scenario.maybe she can naked dogeza or something
>>80043427>B-but my favorite dramatuber said...LOL. LMAO even
>>80039557>joke>proofShut up dramatard
>>80047092You know that many people have actually done this right?You probably won't have much luck now though because the anime industry is now international with representative companies in lots of countries
>>80047155>You probably won't have much luck now thoughYeah you got that right at least.
>>80043427>it's okay because she's overseas so the IP owner can't touch her ;)why are flipcucks like this?
>>80046626OhOh...I thought she might get a slap on the wrist, but if that's the case Jingo will be in the right to be out for blood.
>>80047211I got all of it rightBack in the 90s and maybe even the 2000s people literally just resold pirated anime overseasI've even had things I worked on sold in other countries without my permission and there wasn't much I could realistically do about it
>>80047113>There's a real possibility that the way this is settled is the filian nendo is rebranded as a rindo one and jingo gets all the profits from itHe'd be real stupid to do that considering the only reason people would buy the nendo would be because it was merch from Filian. Not only would the price drop, the sales would be way down.
>>80039743Yeah, they better. For her sake.
>>80047309>He'd be real stupid to do that considering the only reason people would buy the nendo would be because it was merch from Filian. Wrong, dipshit. Goodsmile has made models of booth.pm avatars before, >>80046626, unattached to Vtubers, and Jingo's are some of the most recognizable.
>>80047309I don't think it would do that bad, it'd still pretty much be a filian nendoroid, some of the accessories and face plates would be changed but at the end of the day it's still the same model she uses and people who want a filian nendoroid would most likely still get it. She didn't fuck with the model or anything I'm pretty sure it's just the default rindo right
>>80040220>>80040195Imagine recalling one of your products because multiple idiots forgot to check the copyright.
>>80045592They're not going to take the other parties to court. The only person that gets dragged is Filian and the other companies might just do what GS did and remove her merch from their platform
>>80047457You are retarded, genuinely fucking brain damaged if you think that the sales would be comparable if the nendo was called Rindo instead of Filian and didn't support Filian at all.
>>80044229That's more on you
>>80047469>She didn't fuck with the model or anything I'm pretty sure it's just the default rindo rightIt's not right out of the box 100% default Rindo, but every single change that is made is just switching to non-default options that come with the model when you buy it. Sort of like the digital version of switching faceplates/accessories around. So the totally default Rindo is the shorter hair blue one with a different outfit but it COMES with the filian outfit and filian hair and hair color.
>>80047502I didn't say it'd be equal, I just said it'd be financially viable enough given that literally adjacent popularity level booth avatars have been made in to Nendoroids and they wouldn't do that with no expected return.
>>80041562oh god, hololive associated with her fucking awards show. Dear god no these fucking indies always fuck things up for hololive ALWAYS fucking stay in the walled garden STAY IN THE WALLED GARDEN YOU FUCKING MANAGERS DONT TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WALLED GARDEN YOU GET THESE SCAMMING FUCKS ASSOCIATING THE HOLOS WITH GFUCKING THEFT AND PLAGIARISM AND PIRACY FUCKING KEEP THEM IN THE WALLED GARDEN AND KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE OUT
>>80039557Who?
>>80047282Yeah because that was the pre-internet era before people got serious about copyright. Try doing that today, you're fucked in the ass.
>>80040532>vshitshow beggars on the prowl againSad
>>80047582And you're wrong. They may sell a few from FOMO but it's really not even worth doing. The artist should request payments, not take over the marketing of a figure that is almost entirely based on the personality behind it.
>>80044516Its such a slam dunk and relatively high visability that a lawyer would probably take the case pro bono.
Why did the artist wait so long?
>>80047681I'm not wrong. Goodsmile has done booth.pm avatars unrelated to vtubers before and they wouldn't do that if it didn't make money.I agree that the idea of taking over the marketing and selling it as Rindo is an unrealistic idea that has a 0% chance of happening, but it's not because booth.pm avatars are too niche to sell Nendoroids.
>>80045699>100k or somethingfuco no.that's way too little.go to every company that sold merch of her model, get the numbers, calculate how much money was made and then, if they are kind, take a percentage of all goods that were sold.but for me, I'd ask for EVERY cent.no percentage, every dollar made with my model should be pocketed by me and if you want to still use my model, I'll give you 70% and I'll take 30% of all merch sales.THAT'S fair.
thank fuck always hated her
>>80047586Calm down son they're all just meaningless data given meaning to. You'll be fine
>>80043427>Reminder that Legal Mindset...HOLY SHIT YOU ZOOMERS ARE NOT REAL
>>80047766>I am wrong about the thing you said I was wrong about Glad we agree
>>80045249you're thinking of multibillion dollar conglomerates anon. None of the companies involved are at that level, they don't have the resources to hire teams of lawyers to be able to juggle this forever.
Thank you for reminding me why I hated her fanbase. I won't forget next time.
>>80040387Isn't she part of Mythic?
>>80047895>the only reason people would buy the nendo would be because it was merch from Filian.This is what you said. Which is wrong, because there is proof of booth.pm avatars being sold entirely because they are popular in VRChat, and Jingo's models are INCREDIBLY popular in VRChat.What you're NOW claiming we 'agree' on isn't what I originally disagreed with you about, goal-post moving cretin.
>>80039634Those troons are really brigading and trying to make this a huge thingEven tho normies don't care about artists kek
>>80047681Realistically a jingo booth model getting a nendo wasn't out of the cards. He most likely is just gonna get some monetary settlement and the nendoroid will be canceled, but a rindo or some other model of his getting a nendo isn't completely out of the question. What's stupid about this whole thing however is good smile somehow not knowing that filian was using a booth model, how the fuck are you making figures of the popular and commonly used ones and somehow not know about this one, or even do any research into the person your making a figure of?
>>80047984How about you post the whole take you disingenuous nigger>Not only would the price drop, the sales would be way down.Now kill yourself so the collective IQ of the board increases
How has nobody posted the clip of filian saying hitler did nothing wrong and laughing
>>80046813>outside of Japanah yes, the land of custom anime merch companie, surely that's not gonna be a big deal right?
>>80048161Because that’s based? Still doesn’t make her business savvy, unfortunately for her.
>>80040258>holy frick I love vtuber drama so much it's unrealAnd here we have the reason why this board is so fucking garbage. There should be a separate board for drama.
>>80048091Retard his model would get a nendoroid and sell well anyway, your just being a faggot now.
>>80048091You said THE ONLY REASON it would sell is because it's Filian. You said that. The further context doesn't change that.
>>80048269>please loop the conversation, I require more (You)'s!!Last one, retarded nigger
>Filian is the only reason that model is popular!What sort of hubris is this?
>>80048217It’s not based when it’s just clear pandering to edgelords. She doesnt even know anything about hitler or anything he did she just says it to get based points.
>flips>gets sued
>>80039557a leech and a thief
>>80044224If she knows hentai then she should be familiar with the concept of naked dogeza.
>>80043427LEGAL MINDSET, LEGAL MINDSET, MORE LIKE LEGAL COCKSUCKER
>>80048416I always speak the truth with confidence.
>>80048416it happens whenever idiots become a fan of something. it happened with twilight too
>pirates model>uses it for merchhow retarded is she?
>>80039557uhoh better do another flip
>>80048885she doesn't land all her flips
>>80045514Legal lesson of the day: "I didn't know" is not a defense that will hold up in a court of law.
>>80042577> Joined another Chinese black company> Haven't even announced it nor confirmed itHow rent free in your heads is she?Also, irrelevant? She's doing just fine. She has a lot of sponsorships. CCV over 1k basically all the time. Happy all the time. People interact with her on Twitter.You sisters are just pissed she's doing well
>>80045776You mean that racist pos that hurt her cat? Sayu wants to stay clear of drama and to you mindbroken people living in the 4chan bubble racism might not mean shit but to anyone else it's a huge brand risk. Plus, considering how much Sayu loves her cats anyone who even remotely hurts their cat is finished in her eyes
