Fuzzy Check-up EditionPrevious Thread>>86652734>Upcoming Streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THcSn5HBgk8>Previous Streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvGx3gzD8Ds>1st orisong BORN TO BE "BAU"DOLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aThUfmKQgaY>Debuthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kttt7pb5o6I>3D Debuthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqiU63uqC9U>Youtube Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@FUWAMOCOch/featured>Schedulehttps://x.com/fuwamoco_en/status/1840262884477051248>Unarchived Content (twitter spaces, karaokes, etc)https://rentry.org/baunarchived>Songshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf4O_VcbYo24EjtizbTZt_tTgwXaaK8N- (official playlist of all covers and songs they've released or starred in.)>Merchhttps://shop.hololivepro.com/en/collections/all?open=talent&q=%22Talent_モココ・アビスガード%22 (Mococo)https://shop.hololivepro.com/en/collections/all?open=talent&q=%22Talent_フワワ・アビスガード%22 (Fuwawa)>/baubau/-related content (baubau sings, nsfw, VN/anime list, VTL team info)https://rentry.org/baucontent>Thread Templatehttps://pastebin.com/bgugZTcD
==REMINDER TO ALL MENHERA==>M: Please don't get merch because you feel pressured or anything like that. DON'T do anything that you don't want to. We really mean it, okay?>F: So you know, maybe you're like, "Oh, well, you know, maybe if I make a clip maybe more people will discover FUWAMOCO from there!" - it's true, but maybe you REALLY don't like video editing... Maybe don't that.>M: However you want to, okay?>F: You know, oshikatsu's supposed to be fun! You know, just tweeting, being loud ->M: Being HERE with us!>F: Yeah!>M: That's all - that's MORE that we can ask for!>F: Yeah, being like, "Ah! My best friend, you know, I REALLY like these vtubers called FUWAMOCO!". You know, those kinds of things, you know...>M: So, please, don't feel like, "Oh, THIS Ruffian is doing all this and I'M not doing ANYTHING"...>F: No. You know, oshikatsu is fun for everybody and ANYBODY!>M: You should never feel like that, okay? So PLEASE don't compare yourselves to somebody else, okay?>F: We just want you to have fun. You shouldn't feel pressure.>M: We don't want you to disappear because of something, you know...>F: Yeah, so, you know... if your smile's in trouble...>*Both shake their heads*>M: Just don't worry, we just want you to be here with us.>F: Yeah, we wanna protect your smile and have fun together, Ruffians!>M: You got it? It's not work! It should be FUN! We understand that you compare yourselves to others and stuff like that... SO THAT'S WHY WE SAY "DON'T"! We get it, you know? Because we felt it too before, okay? *reads chat message* You wish you could superchat more? IT'S OKAY! DON'T WORRY! We want you to have fun.>F: And you know, it's the little things that count, too, you know. So, just sending a tweet like, "BAU BAU!" - that helps, you know?>M: Yeah! Do what you can!>F: "I'm on break right now, you know! I had a real delicious sandwich! FUWAMOCO, I had a delicious sandwich!" ... You know, it makes us happy to know that you're thinking about us cause sometimes, you know, we get a little bit lonely. Like, "are the Ruffians thinking about us...?">M: Please don't worry, okay? *reads chat message* You can't write well? It's OKAY! Don't worry about it!>F: But it makes us really happy to know you're thinking about ways you can help us, Ruffians...>M: We don't want you to get sad and be like, "I can't enjoy FUWAMOCO anymore because I compare myself to other Ruffians", okay?
>>86660079BAU BAU!>>86660117HOLY BAUSED
>>86660061Cute baker remembered the edition!
>>86660079BAU BAU
>>86660230hot
gn ruffians
>>86657647thank you for the free submission dumbass
>>86660439Goodnight
>>86660439goodnight
>>86660439g'night
>>86660439>>86660465>>86660535goodnight
>>86660439
>>86660439good nite
I feel like it's been years since I've even seen what kind of state The Forest is in. What kind of game even is it now?
>>86660061Mococo is the cutest being in the universe
I've been frequently replaying the soft music from their Christmas VN and getting incredibly depressed over how different things will be in the future. I hope they wont be as different as I imagine, but with how things have been slowly changing I cant help but lament a bit.I hope I can look back at my own post in a year and laugh at how retarded I'm being.
Gaylo game nights are back!We'll play Halo Infinite this Sunday, around the usual FWMC stream time (maybe 1 or 2 hours before, we'll work out the details later)Don't worry JP haters, the game night is completely in English! And for the JP lovers, there is a cool samurai armor that you can use for free!(You) can join if you want, the multiplayer part of the game is free and you don't have to know anything about the game to have fun playing with us!
>>86660878https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUWg905fGTA
>>86660939I feel the same everytime I listen to their Let me be with you and White Love covers... it makes me really depressed and nostalgic of those simpler times. It's gotten to the point where I actively try to avoid listening to those covers, and that's really sad, because they are my favorite FWMC covers.
>>86661043Appreciated
>>86660939If you liked breaking dimensions then the best days are yet to come
>>86661034>Don't worry JP haters, the game night is completely in English! And for the JP lovers, there is a cool samurai armor that you can use for free!The bridge between EN and JP wasnt FWMC... it was halo all along...
>>86661227I absolutely loved it and it made all the times without them, inconsistent streams, and streams at odd times worth it. I just dont want all the times between the best moments to be like that, even though they probably will. All I want is some cozy streams throughout the week, and it just feels like cozy, lowkey streams are basically monthly.
please stop menheraing over jp streamsNo they are not joining holo jpYes they are in holo enQUIT TIMELOOPING
>>86661034Bau baused
>>86661482I think the loopers already went to bed
>>86661381KEK
What happened to icomochi-mama?
any good gta stuff left untranslated?
>>86661482>No they are not joining holo jp>Yes they are in holo enThey will only be "holoEN" in name if they start doing weekly JP streams while they do less and less EN streams because of "homework". They are clearly pandering to the JPs at the expense of spending time with EN ruffians.>>86661557I'm always here. I work from home and I only sleep 5 hours a day, divided into 3 different 'segments.'
>>86661874Fair enough, I should have said "most" of the loopers went to bed. I know there's always at least one person who shitposts still here at all times
>>86661760Prolly Lui's falls into drug making, seducing Fren to smuggle drugs, caught by the cops, and then taking Mio hostage as revenge for allegedly reporting her
>>86661482I'm too tired to menhera over it right now.
>>86661874I feel like the only one who doesnt mind JP streams, but does mind JST streams... I like JP streams, but the timezone sucks and I can't ever watch them live. Obviously doing a JP stream during NA hours would be odd, but still...I have a hard enough time catching their usual streams nowadays, so my baucklog will be horrible. Itll be like im not even a ruffian at all.
>>86661936I was thinking stuff that involved them but that is a kino arc that I missed. I'll check it out.
>>86660061>only one of the dogs in the picture>using editionsimagine being such a fucking nigger
You're using your brain right ruffians
>>86662118I was recommended against that.
>>86662118Don’t think, just jam
>>86662118I'm sorry. Fuwawa is also the cutest and sexiest being in the universe.
It's always quite a stretch between one day having FWMC morning and then the next having a normal FST streamFeels so longGuess I'll start to organize my 200 screencaps from the home 3D stream..
>>86661482It's your fault for engaging with people who complain. If they're still watching a year after debut and only complaining, they aren't true fans. There are plenty of EN-only members to enjoy
>>86662084I like using editions, if you have a problem with it just bake a thread before I do
>>86662033Do you know JP? Maybe that's the reason. For me at least, a EN stream at a bad timezone is much better than a JP stream, because I can always just wake up for the stream or watch the VOD and I'll enjoy it the same as a normal EN stream at the regular stream time, but the stream being in JP automatically gatekeeps people that don't know it, and the worst part is that even if you try to enjoy it for what it is and watch it live, FWMC will just ignore the EN viewers, so it honestly makes me feel like they don't want me there.
>>86662226At least use an OP image with Mococo's hot older twin sister in it next time.
>>86662226BAUSED editionGOD
>>86662260Next time I bake it'll be both of them together. I'm just balancing things out since I did a Fuwawa OP a while ago
>>86662259I have the chat closed for every stream
>>86662260Fuwawa is not sexy, she is a dork.
>>86662226Shut the fuck up, retard. Go create your own Mococo thread instead of this one. Fucking tired of you fuzzian niggers shitting up the threadTHIS IS A FUWAMOCO THREADBOTHDOGS
>>86662316Then you know japanese, right?
They should stream this VN when it comes out.
>>86662336Anon I think your anger is misplaced. I love them both. I'm just balancing my own bakes since a while back I did a Fuwawa bake to spite the Fuwawaanti after another one of his whole thread tirades
>>86662336ueh you smell like a tranny
>>86662259I'm learning and have been for a while now so yeah. The streams being rare/occasional is alright cause its only one stream, but stuff like GTA or ARK back to back preceeded by a bunch of JST streams then capped off with two JST streams is just rough for me. and its even worse when they stream at their usual times as well cause it makes it very difficult to actually catch up or keep up with anything at all. The increase in this is just something i really dont enjoy personally.I dont know how some of you do it, even you fucking antiJPschizos manage to watch everything live and I cant lol... what a joke...
>>86662412>>86662211
>>86662336MocoGODs always win.
>>86662448too tired to think, anonchama. plus sometimes i hope at least one other anon understands my plight
>>86662336This is a Pero thread, nigger
Surely there must be a more interesting stream/idea to entice new JP subs than kanji slop #5
>>86662321Yeah just look at this unsexy nerd.
>>86662485No, and its good theyre playing it. Its impossible to go mehera over missing ehat will be a relatively forgettable stream like all the JP language learning streams. Sashingo was kinda fun tho
>>86662412Then that's it. You don't mind JP streams because you can actually understand them or use them to do your reps. I don't think I have to explain how someone that doesn't understand JP wouldn't enjoy those streams.
>>86662485card shop simulator is the current slop
My JP is pretty mediocre but I still enjoyed GTA even without looking at PeroTL and I understood a lot of what they said anyway just from passively soaking in JP for years watching hololive I guess.But kanji de go is not for me, I don't care about that game at all. I have no problem with it though and I don't mind them doing one JP solo stream per week on average for the JP ruffians. Hell I know I'd be happy if all the holoJPs I liked did one EN stream per week.
>>86662485Anon, they're doing it for the subs and stuff. They want to entice and KEEP the newfag JPs. Interesting streams, member streams, FWMC Morning, and full series are meant for the EN fans.Inconsistent, occasional, and ultimately uninteresting JP language streams and maid cafe RP streams are for the JP fans.
Going to donate a request for them to play Mouthwashing today, sick scary walking simulator and pretty fucked up too
>>86662532That's fine, you don't have to like all their content, in fact it would be a problem if you did because it would mean they're not reaching out and appealing to different parts of their fanbase who have diverse interests
I get to see if I'm dying tomorrow when I go to the dogtor, hopefully I can hallucinate a cute Mococo nurseI haven't felt hungry or eaten in 3 days because anything more than water and a slice of bread has caused me pain so I've just been sleeping all the time
>>86662528I'm not mad about missing this fucking kanji slop, I'm mad about them adding a JP solo stream when they already did one this Monday while they cry about "wanting to spend time with us but not having the time".Also, thanks to that trannie on Twitter now I'm worried about FWMC doing weekly JP solo streams.
>>86662627Gallbladder Ruffian…at least you’re going to the doctor. Good luck
>>86662627I hope the dogtor trip gives you good results
>>86662572I definitely mind one a week cause it goes against whag they said about those streams "being occasional." And no, this wasn't because they were acared of JPschizos either. They daid this at the end of their FIRST JP QnA. Their plan was always to do.maybe one JP solo a month maybe, and a bunch of JP collabs. They specifically said "please look forward to our collabs!"If they do the streams weekly, it means they've gone back on what they said and are changing the direction of their content to chase after an entirely different and separate fanbase, without even trying to truly bridge them together.
>>86662532>you can actually understand themNot well, and I rely on the chat to fill in any all gaps(and there are massive massive gaps).I treat their JP streams like a combination of homework and subbed anime. I use hololyzer to put the subs on the stream VOD itself when I'm able to actually catch up.Its nice and yeah there are gaps with the TL, but context fills those in.
Forget JPschizo, I’m still mad about the Holoshop erroring me out of the anniversary limited set. I’m considering scalping it but I didn’t do it for Mococo even when the card was only about $100.
>>86662622The problem is not me disliking 1 stream, the problem is that they are doing less and less of the content that I like while they increase the JP content that that I dislike. I'm okay with them streaming less to focus on homework, but I'm NOT okay with them streaming less to do more JP solo streams.They said that they have a very limited amount of time to spend with us, so when they use that limited time with the JPs it just feels like they are lying about how they "miss us".
>>86662702>>86662715Thanks ruffians. I plan on getting surgery too whenever I can so hopefully I can still catch some streams while in the hospital.
>>86662718There's no hard definition of "occasional" though. It's like someone saying "I'll do x frequently".To you that might make you expect every week, others it might be once a month. Also keep in mind the "on average", so you might go a week without one but then have two in another week on Tuesday or Sunday, who knows. Just saying once a week is about the max I'd be okay with and wouldn't mind. Oh and it should go without saying that collabs and events never count.
>>86662786inb4 the resident eurocuck says "WELL AT LEAST YOU CAN GET MERCH"
I forgot what I was gonna say
I'm not mad about the random JP stream. everything is fine unless they add hearts>>86662627holy shoot bro hope it goes well
>>86662895"Us" is the Ruffians, all of them not just the ones in their normal stream time
>>86662904This reminded me of seeing JPs complain about the round1 collab only having plushies in the US. They get so fucking much exclusive stuff literally all the time and WAY cheaper merch because of the shipping it just makes me roll my eyes.
>>86662898>There's no hard definition of "occasional"The term "occasional" refers to something that happens from time to time, but not frequently or regularly. It doesn't specify an exact amount of time, but it generally conveys something happening infrequently or sporadically. For example, if someone "occasionally" exercises, it means they do so now and then, but not on a consistent or routine basis.The frequency can vary depending on the context, but it typically implies a low occurrence rate without any fixed schedule.
>>86662952Mococo’s butthole?
>>86662898>There's no hard definition of "occasional" though. It's like someone saying "I'll do x frequently".>To you that might make you expect every week, others it might be once a month.>For them it was pretty clear, since they outright told the JP fans in their first ever JP stream that "we're HoloEN, but please look forward to our JP collabs!" when the question of more JP streams came up.I think they made it clear from day one that their JP content would primarily be collabs/events, and even during the battle plan stream they seemed to imply this. And right now, this still is true, but IF they start doing weekly JP streams, then yeah that'll be them clesrly changing the way their content was always meant to be.It'll simply be an unfortunate and disappointing change, that's clearly different from their initial intentions
>>86662897I'll be hoping for the best for you. I'm sure if FWMC knew they'd be wishing for the same too
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>>86663000No, "us" is their main audience, the EN ruffians. They always talk about how much they miss us in the EN solo streams after they do collabs/JP streams.
>>86663036Let's put it this way, they can't have a solo live without a strong JP following, even Mori relied a lot on her JP fans to get one since it was in Tokyo. They can't get one without the JP audience. Saying you don't want many JP streams is tantamount to saying you hope they never get a solo live.
>>86663038Fuwawa you can't just call me that
>>86663061Just think about the 10 hours they spent recording this cause they had to do retakes or hours for every line until it was right, hope it'll be good
>>86663145Oops meant to reply to >>86663061
>>86663133not him but while I do want them to have a sololive there's a bittersweet feeling to it because that will actually be a completely JP concert
>>86663133Anon, they got more subs during GTA then they did for every single JP solo stream combined.If thats your argument, then you should want more collabs, otherwise you dont want them to have a sololive.
>>86663133I don't care about what is good for them. I care about what is good for me, and what is good for me is no JP content.
>>86663215wicked false flag
>>86663206Who wants to tell him?
man, the holoshop displaying my local currency makes me hesitate on buying shit now
>>86663133Gura could literally ask for a sololive and instantly get one if she werent a lazy shark. She has more JP mindshare than anyone in EN, nd she can barely speak JP
If you're a bit worried over too many streams being in JP that's fine but I don't get ruffians who have a general aversion to JP streams in general or who don't understand/support why they do that.I don't get it because they made it clear how much they love everything Japan and JP from the getgo so you KNEW what you were getting into. If anything JP bothers you this much why did you even get into them much less stick with them for a year? It makes no sense.
>>86663061no secret set voice?
>>86663061Witch Fuwawa was definitely wearing an outfit like pic related
>>86663269>I don't get it because they made it clear how much they love everything Japan and JP from the getgo so Agreed, and they also said from the getgo that their JP solo streams will be few and far between. I wxpected collabs and the occasional maybe once a month JP solo stream. This is going against what they said on day one, and is a clear change in their content that I'm not a fan of whatsoever. This isnt what I signed up for, and theres no way its what you sogned up for cause they said otherwise early on.More and more JP solo streams was not what I assumed they'd do, and its what they said they'd never do.
>>86662226>>86662410Gigabaused editionGOD
>>86663252Tell me what? That their growth didnt skyrocket exponentially due to GTA, to the point its still going now?
>>86663269>If anything JP bothers you this much why did you even get into them much less stick with them for a year? It makes no sense.I don't get it either. Anyone who likes them should understand their love of Japan, the biggest otaku in EN doing Japanese streams should not only not be a surprise it should be celebrated by people who enjoy those things
>>86663269I atuck it out because there was never once a single indication that they would ever EVER even consider doing "one JP stream a week," let alone two in a single week that isnt a holiday. Go ahead and find a single quote where they even come close to implying this, cause all you'll find is the opposite.
>>86663269>much less stick with them for a year?No one who complains about them every day for over a year, without just finding a new oshi and moving on, is an actual fan. They're shitposters who do it to get a rise out of you
>>86663269I fucking despite JP solo streams out of principle; they are streams that they could easily do(most of the time) for their main fanbase, but decide to do in JP, and end up gatekeeping all the people that don't know JP(most of their fans). BUT I can accept a JP solo stream every now and then. 2 times in a week is NOT every now and then.
>>86663412You shouldn't samefag, sister. If you watched streams, you'd understand.
>>86663442So what if the next 2 weeks are without a JP solo? Then the average comes way down.
>>86663269>Ruffiansdyrb?
>>86663269in the last 3 month, their total JP stream goes up from 30 to a whopping 46 streamI know what I'm getting into, they just changed it drastically recently
>>86663426Nah, fans can and should complain if things end up changing for the worse. Especially if things end up changing in a way that goes against expectations they themselves set up early on.athe important thing is to listen to them when they talk about these things, cause normally theres always a reason and its normally always good. Ever since the Battle Plan 2.0 stream, they havent really said much at all to EN fans in regards to JP streams, when they REALLY should imo, especially if they plan to continue in this slightly radical direction
>>86663346Exactly this. People are trying to gaslight us into accepting weekly JP solo streams, but they NEVER ONCE, gave any kind of hint that they would do JP solo streams weekly. I started watching them because of all their fun and comfy (EN) streams, not because I wanted or expected them to do 25% of their content in JP.
I'm curious about the early months of FuwaMoco. Did anyone ever predict they would fully move to and live in Japan rather than just occasionally travel there for studio stuff?
>>86663467Nta but if the next two weeks are without a single JP solo(including guerillas), then it means they're still Business As Usual so all this complaining was for nothing. But if they DO have weekly JP solo streams all the way to one million, then yeah thats an extreme departure from who we've been watching for over a year
>>86663269>>86663476 (me)heck, just from the last month only, they did half as many JP stream as they did for a whole year, so they're now projected to have around 6 times as many JP stream as they did last year
>>86663476>>86663569Are you counting collabs and events? >>86663568They'll be at 1M in 3 weeks so even then it would only be temporary, assuming they'd dial down the JP frequency again after 1M
>>86663474Ironically enough, the ones complaining actually sound like they they watch FUWAMOCO, whereas the ones who arent complaining just sound like tourists
>>86663416>I atuck it out because there was never once a single indication that they would ever EVER even consider doing "one JP stream a week,"THIS. Even during the battle plan, they told us that they wouldn't do as many JP streams in a week as they did in the golden week in the future, and explicitly said that they would ONLY do JP streams every now and then.
>>86663613>you're not a real ruffian if JP streams don't bother you and make you whine We're reaching new comedy heights
>>86663269>If anything JP bothers you this much why did you even get into them much less stick with them for a year?If you're gonna grand stand at least make it so you actually have a box to stand onThey were streaming more a year ago, and JP streams were much less common a year ago. Although it's not justified, those complaining about it at least have a solid reason to complain because what they're doing now is very different from the first year
>>86663476Thats a huge number, but we all knew from day one that they wanted to COLLAB with every JP girl and join every single JP event and live they could.Now that they're in Japan, its easier to do this so it makes sense the number's gone up so quickly.JP SOLO streams are obviously a different story, and if ALL of those streams were solos, then yeah all of these anons would have a point and the complaints would make sense, but most of those are collabs
>>86663613Actually the ones complaining sound like mentally unstable children who are throwing a tantrum over having to share their favorite toy.>FWMC belong to us they said they'd stream for us more it's not fair!I don't think there's any benefit in catering to people like that and it would be best for all parties if people who samefag for 500+ posts over a single JP frame moved on and watched Bijou or Shiori.
>>86663677>They were streaming more a year ago, and JP streams were much less common a year agoThis isn't really a good argument when you would have dropped them long before understanding what their average week looks like.People who despise JP stuff this much would have (read: should have) dropped them during the debut already.The same way I watched Bae and ERB during their debuts for example and already knew I wouldn't bother getting into them.
>>86663663Nah, more like you're just not a real Ruffian if you've forgotten something they say literally every time they do JP streams, which was something they daid day one.
>>866636035 weeks, not 3
>>86663738We'll see, I'm betting on 3 now. Especially because they'll blaze through the last 10k with some endurance marathon.
>>86663714>has to strawman the schizos cause they actually sound too reasonable and actually listened to FUWAMOCO's wordslol
>>86663728Does ERB have fans who complain whenever she interacts with homos, it would be the same thing
There's at least 2 separate 1 million projects I'm aware of. Shouldn't this have been organized under one banner?
>>86663467I will accept 1 JP solo stream per month, 2 if they do a LOT of EN streams during that month. That's it. And believe me, I'm being REALLY generous here, it's a reasonable amount and I'm not even counting JP collabs. If they want to do more than that, they should graduate from HoloEN and join HoloJP.
>>86663603>They'll be at 1M in 3 weeks so even then it would only be temporary, assuming they'd dial down the JP frequency again after 1MI cant say I'm hopeful, but we'll see. I'll tone down complaining about nightmare scenarios that havent occured yet, but we're closer to this grim future than we ever have been before.
>>86663776Of course not because everyone who hates that left at the start already.If only everyone who hates them doing JP stuff also left FWMC early on, then we wouldn't have to deal with this shit.
>>86663794Then you will never be happy. And no, they won't do what you say, you're a nobody and no one cares about your individual opinion. You matter as much as one grain of sand at the beach.Cut your losses and leave, because they'll easily be doing more than 1 per month. Or admit you just want to shitpost and continue to avatarfag here for years while wasting your time.
I LOVE FUWAMOCO
>>86663776Nah cause she said she wants to interact with them and was in their chats nonstop. It would be like if she said "ill only collab with the homos once every now and then, but dont expect it much at all!" and then she proceeds to collab with them three or four times in an entire year, then suddenly agter a year is up, switches gears and never stops collabing with them to the point she seems like shes gonna start doing it every single week.Nice try tho.
>>86663811It's a problem. They need to filter these guys out somehow, just do a full JP week and make them go away so they don't have this albatross around their neck for their entire career weighing them down and their content decisions.
>>86663687The GTA streams should be considered pseudo JP solo streams. They spent half of the time alone/interacting with chat and they did it almost exclusively in JP.
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>>86663728>knows the future based entirely off of a debutuh-huh, sure>This isn't really a good argument when you would have dropped them long before understanding what their average week looks like.Watching for a few months and seeing them have a rock solid schedule for 6 entire months makes for a lack of understanding of their average week? That doesn't track at allHell, you wouldn't even need to watch to figure out what they do on average, just need to glance at the schedule. That's how I knew Justice wouldn't be for me, a lot of break days and games I'm "meh" on
>>86663902Nah disagree completely. Those were collabs, same with ARK.
>>86663528I agree.
>>86663269I believe a lot of it is the chain of recent events that makes it feel very JP heavy. It pretty much went>JST prime streams with part time worker, chained togetherno problem. they said it was schedule. they spoke more JP during it than usual but whatever. it wasn't over the top. streams were fun as an EOP too.>ARK with all JPglad they got collabs. ok whatever. it's a bit unnecessary for them to speak JP at every single point to the point of ignoring EN comments or replying to EN comments in JP but whatever. Just bear with it and say it's for collabs>holoSummer prefecture streamjust one more JP added huh? whatever. maybe it wouldn't be something EOPs would enjoy anyway.>JP maid cafe call-inFelt kind of ridiculous to have it in all JP when they invited the EN audience to join. And they ignored the SC on it around an EN version but ok>Increased JP percentage in their content for THE BATHHOUSE>holoGTAa full week of JP streams, made worse by cancelling EN streams due to being understandably tired or busy>all the twitter shilling in JP, still lots more shilling in JP, reposting the same JP follow-us tweets>Rock n Rawr live translating everything to JP>Euro Truck Q&A 2 days after in all JP>New Kanji de go frame and holoGTA written in half JPit builds up. it went from JP in collab content to more scope of JP in their EN stream times and more JP shilling and more JP solos. it's why the argument people make of "you should have known this. this is how they were from the start" falls apart because it's more JP content than ever before. maybe it's for the 1 mil. maybe it's not. to be determined.
>>86663909It's 7:44 at night, Fuwawa
>>86663884And FWMC made their absolute obsession with Japan and Japanese obvious from day 1. You hate Japan and JP despite them making it clear how much they like speaking it right away. This is on you, you will never be able to convince anyone otherwise.
>>86663968It's 6:45 PM here though.
>>86663997Go back to sleep, Auschama
>>86663970And FWMC also made it crystal-clear that JP solo streams would never be the norm or even close to weekyl, yet hwre we are.Maybe if you werent a newfag or a tourist, you'd know this cause they said it time and time again. In their first JP stream, no less!Face it, you're just wrong, and you have to resort to strawmanning cause you know you're wrong. Tale as old as time
>>86663928Let me put it this way: I knew FWMC would be heavily into using their Japanese, collabing with holoJP and doing JP stuff in general from their debut already after just one stream.How come I knew but you didn't? I had the same information available as you. And no I wasn't a previous traveler.
Any vtuber is better off without control freaks who think they have a right to determine their schedule. I support japanese streams just to get rid of them. They do nothing but whine every time things don't go their exact way, it's pathetic.Junk Email sent a superchat during battle plan 2 that I thought was really reasonable, he said "I just don't want you to grow distant"Well, turns out "distant" actually means "if you dare to do one stream a week that isn't for me."They love japanese, they want japanese fans, many of their goals are related to japanese media, their dream stage is in Japan. You will not change them.
>>86663603>they'd dial down the JP frequency again after 1MI really fucking hope so, but I honestly only see it changing for the worse.
>>86664031>FWMC would be heavily into using their Japanese, collabing with holoJP and doing JP stuff in general from their debut already after just one stream.So did I and everyone you're "arguing with" but you clearly dont seem to understand that cause you think this is about general JP content, and not SOLO streams. I get why tho. If you acknowledge no one is talking about collabs, events, etc, then you have no leg to stand on at all, since FWMC's own words contradict yours kek
Ironically, their spamming of JP streams has had the opposite effect on me. Instead of being a bridge to the JP side, I've begun to resent and even hate JP streams. I started on Hololive before EN was a thing so obviously all I had were translated clips and passive listening of streams in the background with the occasional super rare EN stream from Korone or Haachama. Coco's translated Asacocos were a breath of fresh air. I loved JPs speaking broken English, Passion English, Volcano English, Elite English, etc.And now that's gone. All the cutest moments are gone because FUWAMOCO speak JP and thus talents interacting with them don't have to try and we get no more cute moments. No more "Hey Moona" no more "I'm die thank you forever" no more "I'm Horny" no more Suisei saying the cleanest "Fuck" known to mankind, all classic ENGRISH moments that came from JPs attempting to speak English. Every JP collab is something I can't enjoy for the most part, every JP stream steals time from what could have been a great FUWAMOCO stream. We finally had ENs who streamed a lot, who cared about their fans instead of spiting them, who were unironic, unabashed, and unashamed to be who they were and do cutesy stuff and we are robbed by every JP stream and massive 50 hour timesink collab. Ririka doesn't do English streams anymore, neither does Haachama. Korone hasn't done an English stream in years. Suisei is 3 years out from her last EN karaoke. JPs don't even do Duolingo meme streams anymore meanwhile FUWAMOCO are wasting time on fucking Kanji de Go. I didn't start out a JP hater, but FUWAMOCO have made me into one.
>>86664031Because you made it up? It's really easy to tell you're just trying to get under my skinUnfortunately for you the only thing getting under my skin is my god awful RNG
>>86664031>How come I knew but you didn't? I had the same information available as you.Probably because unlike him you actually watched streams
>>86663603>Are you counting collabs and events?I'm using their JP playlistThat's what they count as JP stream>>86663687Even if it's not a collab, it's still a huge departure from the usual numberWhile the hardcore supporter might be ok because it's collab, the usual EOP might not view it the sameWhy would you watch someone that alarmingly increasingly talks in language you don't understand, after all
After they hit 1M they should have one week a month where they stream exclusively in Japanese the entire month. All other weeks will be entirely in English. There will be no language mixing during these streams and comments in the wrong language will be completely ignored
>>86664029nothing could be called a stable norm besides the morning show and canceled streams.
>>86664048>You will not change them.Yeah thats true, cause they are already forcibly changing themselves to hit one million, despite what they said early on. Its fine if you don't understand that because you never listened to them, but at least try to understand the ones lamenting this.Its sad to see your oshi go down a path like this.
Funny how I always see the same loops whenever I decide to check on the thread
>>86664095You already posted this. Try something new or buy a better AI.
>>86664103>Why would you watch someone that talks in language you don't understandI've been watching Hololive for five years and I don't speak a word of Japanese.
man I can't help but get rock hard everytime they tease and degrade us by ignoring en viewers for jp tourists instead. they really are too good for us and we should be grateful they ever pretended to love us at all
>>86664048I agree, the schizos are getting out of control. They're vtubers you either watch their stream or you don't, if you don't like the content anymore you're free to leave. The funny thing is that "Gabe" was the thread boogeyman for months and somehow it's ok to schizo out and go full anti when it's JP streams and not homocollabs?
>>86664134Maybe its your schizo alternate personalities acting up again
>>86664103I dunno, why do some people watch holoJPs who they barely understand? Because they're cute. >but I only got into FWMC because I thought they'd only speak in EnglishOnce again, that's on you.
>>86664048So true sis, fans caring about their oshi's content is cringe. Not that FUWAMOCO ask for feedback all the time or anything. Not like they are worried about whether or not fans like what they do constantly. They should totally just do male collabs and get rid of all the pesky wannabe managers and unicorns.
>>86664031Everyone most likely knew they'd be using their Japanese, but how heavily are we talking about?Once every week?Once every month?Half stream translated into JP?Unless you're John Titor, you won't know these things from debut, so everyone can only based it on how they're doing it once they're doing it.The year has set the expectation, so it's only natural that people feel betrayed once they betrayed the expectation by raising the number this high.
>>86664133Really sad to see them realizing many of their dreams and on path to make all of them come true. You do not care about idols, you never did, you never will. You're just a larper, cut your losses and go groom a two view if you have money. Get a job if you don't.
If they are determined to keep forcing more japanese streams into their schedule that they insisted was top full for more EN ones then the best way they can protect my smile is graduating.
>>86664169I was told #23 and #44 promised to behave...
>>86664222Actually it's you simply leaving and watching vtubers who you enjoy instead.But you can't reply to that because you're mentally ill.
>>86664175>HoloJPs' selling point: I can't understand, but they cute>FWMC's selling point: I can understand, they cuteThere was a difference, but if they keep doing what they have been there won't be a distinction and it's not hard to seeing the down spiral on the horizon after that
>>86664159>>86664175HoloJP starts with a language you don't understandNot changing from language you understand into something you don't>>86664175>>but I only got into FWMC because I thought they'd only speak in English>Once again, that's on you.Nice strawman, that's not what I'm saying at all
>JP"schizos" actually watch streams and cna quote direct things FWMC said>antiJPschizoschizos have to strawman, make shit up, and pretend in order to "win" argumentsYup, thats just how it is. Makes sense. All the "pro" JP solo stream posters here are HoloJP tourists who dont even watch FWMC. Being proven correct time and time again would be funny if it weren't so sad.
>>86664215And I'm giving my feedback. Not your hugbox. Japanese streams are good, control freaks are not. Homocollabs would make me drop them but they still have the right to do them if they want to. They actually never once said they didn't, they just dodge the subject entirely. Since you want to treat their exact words as the only things that matter and not context.
>>86664219You dont get and never will, but thats okay. They said theyd reach one million the FWMC way and stay true to themselves. This isnt staying true to themselves at all. Keep pretending you watch them sister kek we all know you dont. You already outted yourself as a tourist who doesnt even know something they've said time and time again KEK
>>86664168>if you don't like the content anymore you're free to leaveI think the hard part for me is that it's sort of in the transition period of content. I ignore JP streams. I like EN streams. If they streamed in JP I'd leave. If they streamed in EN I'd watch. If they add more and more JP to EN streams I'll naturally dislike it more. But it's sort of in this odd split they're doing where there is still enough for me to latch onto enjoying the EN part but also parts I'd rather skip for the JP content I'm not interested in. Give it some time. When they stabilize what kind of content they want to make that will make it more clear to people like me if they want to stay or leave. There will always be schizos, but it's especially bad now from the current fluctuations and inconsistency.
>>86664249Don't worry I'm already almost there, sadly... I've went from ritualistically watching every stream to barely being excited when I see a notification of them going live. Almost ready to turn the bell off but I'm just mad at them because it never had to be this way
>>86664260But it is. Every reasonably intelligent person could have watched their start and understood that watching FWMC means you'll watch them both use English and Japanese. If you now schizo out because not 100% of their streaming hours are in a language you understand, then it is on you. No way around it.
>>86664031Every time, every single time they do a JP stream they ALWAYS mention to the JPs that they would only do those stream every now and then. They NEVER ONCE said that they would start doing them weekly.
>>86664304>speaking JP, something they've done since debut and which they've always been happy about being able to do, isn't "staying true to themselves" because... I say so!
>>86664262If only we had evidence of one JP schizo telling them on helpFWMC that they forgot something they just talked about, or saying their wrestling was a 3D animation and he took a water break in the several dozens of times they talked about practicing for it and the company that trained them. People who spend an entire stream avatarfagging and counting how much of a language was used did not pay attention to a word that was said.
>>86664285>Homocollabs would make me drop themNo they wouldnt. You'd obviously still watch, and you'd come up with excuses as to why its good. Just like with them going against their word and VASTLY increasing the amount of JP solo streams. Hell, even their main JP content has increased ten fold, but im cool with that cause theyre colllabs with their beloved senpai and it gets them a lot of subs.
They've been testing the waters for a while now. They are doing more and more JP streams to see what kind of pushback they receive, if any. If you don't speak up now and tell them your honest opinions, it'll be too late. Every Vtuber does this at some point, it's not malicious, it's just the way things go. The content is viewer focused. Even Chumbuds shut down Gura's react content idea. There are countless examples of Homocollabers changing tack immediately only to watch their sales fall, because yesmen and people accepting of everything don't buy merch and don't watch streams. That might be fine for people content to collect a paycheck like Kronii but for people like FUWAMOCO with big dreams it will crush them. You have an obligation to be honest with your oshi and if you tell them things will be fine when they won't, you're just sabotaging them in the long run. FUWAMOCO cannot survive off the Japanese audience alone and that's all they will have if they continue on this track. Because they're great but they're fighting against years of entrenched fans who already pledge their wallets to Suisei, Marine, Watame, Miko, Korone, Pekora, etc.
>>86664304Being true to themselves would be making it into holoJP like they hoped and using it every day to pass the N1 and becoming true Japanese citizens. All of the 100 days and EN gaming was the part where they weren't being true to themselves. I'm happy they're feeling comfortable enough to finally start doing things the FUWAMOCO way recently.
>>86664366Nah, no pushback cause I trust they'll dial it back after one million. If not, then sure. They said to trust them, so I will.
>>86664305I think you're being absurd. They just did a Home 3D reveal, with an Advent Collab and a FSN endurance + 3 FWMC Mornings this week. All in English. That's more than most other EN members output in a week. Exactly how much EN content would it take to make you satisfied?
>>86664347Them doing more of them right now doesn't mean they'll continue to do one JP stream per week for the next year. They obviously want to race to 1 mil right now and ride the wave while they can as they're growing well right now.That said I almost wish they would because maybe we'd get rid of a few schizos that way.
>>86664304Actually they said with every word that they wanted to do more japanese streams but were scared. Is being scared of faggots like you staying true to themselves? I feel like getting over that fear and going for what they want is much more the FUWAMOCO way. The people who never gave up on their dreams no matter how rough it got or how unlikely they were.
>>86664376>unironic two more weeks
>>86664262Sad but true. They're still going at it too.
>>86664330>watching FWMC means you'll watch them both use English and Japanese.Not reallyThere must be a lot of people that only sticks around for their English stream and vice versaIf there's JP that sticks around because they starts to stream more in JP, then that also means there must be EN that won't stick around because they stream more in JPAnd it's only natural to complain when you see change>because not 100% of their streaming hours are in a language you understandStrawmanEveryone know that they won't be streaming 100% in ENBut the exact ratio, only those with futuresight knows. And everyone got different tolerance to itFor example, it's only natural that if they suddenly going from 99% EN into 1% EN, a lot of people would complains and fuck off
>>86664354the person you're referring to is probably the same person here who constantly loops about JP. They're a neet with nothing better to do.They even started using the creepy hand emotes after people here shitposted about them because they're ao obsessed with us. https://x.com/SvturnineSphere/status/1841624979055452333Anyone calling them puppies in such a creepy way is another sign they don't view them as independent people just a plaything
>JPschizos acting like they're the sane ones when it's actually people like Aeon or tekzi and others just like themFunny, really. The world would be a better place without you lot in it.
>>86664262>>JP"schizos" actually watch streams and cna quote direct things FWMC said
>>86664390>I trust they'll dial it back after one millionNobody should ever be in this position
>>86664404Yeah, JP collabs, events, etc. Which they all but stopped doing a long time ago. Thankfully theyre doing them again.And no, they werent scared of SOLO streams, dumbfuck. They said week one they would never become regular, and said to the JP fans, "look forward to our collabs!"I dont know why i expect you JP tourists to actually watch streams, cause its evident that you dont. They never wanted to do consistent or weekly JP solo streams, and now that's changed due to 1 million subs being on the horizon.Its saf to see, but oh well
>>86664359I'm not new, I've dropped holos before. I'm also not a kronie or whatever they're called to try to tardwrangle a homo collabber instead of supporting those who make content that aligns with my preference.The fact that you seem to think that dropping a vtuber is such a rare thing shows how incredibly new you are.
>>86664467The reason FuwaMoco cried during the Battle Plan was because of people like them.
I remember when people said JPschizos were from NA
>>86663960>it builds up. it went from JP in collab content to more scope of JP in their EN stream times and more JP shilling and more JP solos. it's why the argument people make of "you should have known this. this is how they were from the start" falls apart because it's more JP content than ever before. maybe it's for the 1 mil. maybe it's not. to be determined.Yup, THIS. I'm okay with them doing this to reach 1 million, but doing this regularly would be RADICALLY changing their content. We have a lot of fucking retards telling us that "we should've expected this", but FWMC has constantly, again and again, reassured the EN fans by saying that they would do JP streams and that the JP solo streams would be rare and something that they only do occasionally. I don't know if those faggots are trying to call FWMC liars, but I'll take FWMC's words over their retarded fantasy.
>namedroppingHuh, so do you love your boyfriends more than JP streams
>>86664523Crazy to think people were that optimistic back then.
grrrr I watched Bae since the start and now she collabed with a guy, this is bullshit I had no idea this would happen
>>86664330>watching FWMC means you'll watch them both use English and Japanese.Tell that to all JP gray that is/will be hooked by their JP streamIf you berate EOP for them increasing their JP frequency, you also at the same time berating JOP for wanting to see them stream in JPThey both just want to see them stream in their own language
>>86664492>And no, they werent scared of SOLO streams, dumbfuck. They said week one they would never become regular, and said to the JP fans, "look forward to our collabs!"They aren't regular, though.
>>86664467Well yeah clearly we are since we care about FWMC and the fact that they want to stay true to themselves. I dont think namedropping your favorite Ruffian spic is "sane" KEKAs always, "JPschizos" actually watch streams. HoloJPKEKS are all tourists who spam JP girls nonstop.
>>86664575You might be joking, but Koyori actually got pushback from this
>>86664400No, see that's what I mean. The FWMC Morning, the Home 3D were all in EN. I enjoyed those a lot. I had no issues. There are the advent collabs too. Great.I am referring to the streams like the Rock n Rawr party, the ReGLOSS3D watchalong, somewhat URAYAMA but not as much, The Bathhouse. They increased the JP amount in those.I only wish they were consistent. Like the Home 3D was practically 100% EN and the Rock n Rawr was a 50/50 split. I don't really understand what their goals are. It's not a matter of how much content would satisfy me. It's knowing what content they're making or wanting so I can either leave quietly saying it's not for me or watch it happily.
>>86664492>And no, they werent scared of SOLO streams,Yes they were, the content of that talk was the golden week reveal, Mane-chan was pushing them to do more japanese streams like they wanted to but were scared, they were not scared of JP collabs, everyone likes those. Watch streams without shitposting on a second monitor for once in your life.
>>86664586There isn't a single JP ruffian who doesn't know that a ton of their streams will be in English unless they're your schizo twin from a different countryThat's like me watching an EN Ririka stream and expecting her to only stream EN from now on.
>>86664618>There isn't a single JP ruffian who doesn't know that a ton of their streams will be in English unless they're your schizo twin from a different countryIf so, then there's no need to have JP solo stream to cater to them
>>86664538>implying it isn't losers dropping themselvesWe're talking about mentally ill schizos obsessed with attention here, did you forget? They don't care about the vtuber just the attention they can get for themselves. These same people did the same thing when they were kronies and even they were teamates
>>86664611I'm not sure what the connection there is for you, Bae talked about stars in her debut, Koyori never ever did. It's also disingenuous to compare the two when Koyori exclusively joined a baseball event, she even talked to her fans about it and why she decided on it. Comparing that to the many stars collabs Bae has had is silly.
>>86663663>you're not a real ruffian if JP streams don't bother you and make you whineJP schizos always selling themselves short.Doesn't matter if you're a "real ruffian" when you act like a full-blown anti.
>NamedroppingI'm out. All I want is for them to be able to do what they want and keep moving toward their goal. If that means more JP I'm happy for them, it it means no JP, I'm happy for them. It's about them. I remember a time this thread was filled with people so enamoured with them they said they'd do anything to see them reach their goals and now all it seems a lot of people have is envy in their hearts and an unhealthy possessiveness. Take a step back. It's just vtubers.
>>86664616Nah, you're creating fanfiction. They never wanted to do more, as evidenced by the fact thay they consistently said otherwise from day one all the way until now. They were scared of increasing the amount of JP content in general, which includes events and collabs. And yes, this is a fact.I suggest watching streams every now and then, anon.
>>86664627No, that makes no sense. Ririka might have very few EN fans compared to JP ones, but that doesn't mean those fans don't appreciate her doing an EN stream here and there.Likewise FWMC's fan base is no doubt majorly EN, but that doesn't mean a small part of their content can't be in Japanese for the JP fans.
>>86664616>Yes they were>Watch streamsFunny how you speak in solid terms as if the words they said on stream weren't incredibly vague and had ruffians on every platform questioning what they meant. I think you should watch that stream again
FUWAMOCO should do as many JP collabs as Ririka does EN collabs and as many JP solo streams as Ririka does EN solo streams
>>86664647>It's also disingenuous to compare the twoThe mistake that you're making is to assume that the person you're replying to has ever watched either girl, or knows anything about them besides what he's seen on the catalog.
Anybody know how to supersize the fwmc member emotes? thanks in advance
>1m project deadline is mid November So we're at the post where no one cares anymore? Isn't that going to be months late for the celebration?
>>86664688It is no longer a small part, with GTA it is now the vast majority of it.
FWMC should collab with Lyrica and kiss her a lot.
>>86664658It's a valid argument. We literally know that the JPschizos who have revealed themselves among their fans are the worst of the schizos and absolute snakes and liars.If you post the same thing as them here, you can consider yourself part of their camp. They are who you are "siding" with.
>>86664586>Tell that to all JP gray that is/will be hooked by their JP streamThey did actually, just recently too in the Euro Truck stream. You should try watching streams some time.
>>86664618>That's like me watching an EN Ririka stream and expecting her to only stream EN from now on.Ririka isn't a good example. She has EN streams and then she has JP streams. EN streams are designated times. She isn't going in EN tangents afaik on her JP streams.I think many although not all JPschizos would be stopped if FWMC had JP content in one spot in designated streams and EN content in another. It's the mix, if not the increasing mix, that is causing the most heartburn.
>>86664688They already have their share of content in JapaneseThere's no need to dramatically increase it then, increasing it only brings people that doesn't watch them both in English and Japanese
>>86664710remove w48 c48 part in the end of the link
>>86664710Right click, open image in new tab, change the numbers next to h and w in the url to anything up to 900 pixels
>>86664726Events and collabs don't count. They'll be in whatever language happens to be the most convenient for what they are doing.
FUWAMOCO should only do EN streams because they are HoloEN, and the EN in HoloEN stands for "English." If they speak in Japanese, then they are not speaking in English, which means the "EN" in "HoloEN" is false-advertising. This is irrefutable.And yes, this does also apply to Hachaama, Ririka, and all of ID.
>>86664710I'll walk you through it>right-click-open emote>save image>open in paint>click resize>enter 100000%>resave image
>>86664736Subjective. 1 per 2 weeks up to 1 per week seems fine to me, maybe to you it doesn't.>but this week...Yeah and maybe next week won't have any solo JP stream at all.
>>86664692Funny you say that because I calmed several menhera in these threads by transcribing their exact words, asking what exactly was unreasonable about it, and begging people to rewatch that stream.
>>86664733And yet apparently that's not enough to keep them because clearly they need another Japanese stream in quick succession otherwise they'd fuck off.
>>86664797And yet, you clearly got this part wrong.
>>86664692>and had ruffians on every platform questioning what they meantYeah, because people /here/ and /here/niggers in general are retarded and pay more attention to the thread than they do to watching the actual streams.
>>86664764Absolutely not. English Haachama is cute as fuck and has had many absolute kino streams over the years.There's nothing wrong with girls being bilingual anyway. There is no "ENJP branch", they have to be in either EN or JP. And being in either doesn't mean they have to exclusively stream in that language, never has and never will. Bye.
>>86664701Their content should not be tied to anyone else's content, I feel like that's far more reasonable. Why not Haachama? Ultra gorilla 3am PST streams in japanese only. Surely you'd love that.
>>86664764>And yes, this does also apply to Hachaama, Ririka, and all of ID.So Haachama won't speak any Japanese? Fine by me.
>>86664794We just transitioned for a full seven stream per week into 2 stream per weekFWMC need to cool off for a whole 6 month to get the same rate of Japanese stream as beforeAnd even if they did cool off and return their rate to before, this month basically a false advertisement for the JOP
>>86664701Counterpoint: FUWAMOCO should do what they want and enjoy. You can then decide whether you enjoy it or not and either stay or leave.
>>86664809The subscription count keeps increasing. There are more new jp ruffians in some days than live viewers for white album.
>>86664862>FUWAMOCO should do what they want and enjoy. If only they were actually streaming things they enjoy for once... Well, I guess Saturday is the first time in a long time.
>>86664861No they don't because events do not count.
>Mikochi RT'd pic related Fuwawa should take cue from her and RT spicy art of herself.
>>86664871And those are the same kind of people that's been spited and downgraded this whole thread for not being able to tolerate their increase of Japanese stream
>>86664895Watch streams. They addressed this before when a menhera wanted to leave because they "were betraying themselves" by playing Friday Night Freddy.
>>86664770>>86664918Woah d*des... this Mocopan is looking a little...
>>86664862You're alright Pero
The grass indeed is greener on the other side when you don't have to worry about the language or FOTM garbage if those things bother you.
>>86664862Never though I'd die side by side with a fat fuck
>>86664905Their sub did increase a lot from this so clearly it counts
>>86664895Just wait for the fags to come stolling in and asserting they don't like playing or finishing VN's.VN's are numbercancer, and FWMC put avoiding numbercancer above all else. It's why they don't stream games to completion unless they can be done in a single stream.
>>86664895They made a tweet after FNAF saying they enjoy all games
Jesus fuck you schizos have been worming around for over a year now. Can one of you niggers just explode publicly already? >but itll make FWMC cry...Yeah, and your cries will go unheard otherwise as you continue to worm around in places like this and discord where they can't see you, but you absolutely bitch hoping that they DO see you. I know it. You know it. Just fucking unload already, think of the draaaaaama, think of how youll be famous and public enemy number 1. Think of how you'll destroy every ruffian space outside of /baubau/ which youve already destroyed.Do it.DO IT.
>>86664984How about side by side with a rapist?
>>86664990Mbembe?
I would understand the anger if it was completely unexpected. Like say when Kronii suddenly started collabing with guys after a full year of not even hinting at it nor doing anything. That wasn't even something anyone expected, so of course a lot of fans were blindsided by that change after a long time. Which is why Bae making that clear from day 1 was actually a good thing, that way no one who would be bothered by such content would become a fan to begin with.But FWMC are more like Bae in this case. They made their love for Japan and their interest in speaking Japanese very clear right away too.
>>86664997Is it so unreasonable to complain about change?
>>86664935>>86664990>they enjoy all games!yeah i mbembe that tweet heh they sure do love all games dont they
>>86665019Dunno mang, if Bae suddenly decides to have a full month of only collabing with stars, and no other stream, I'm sure people would also complain
>>86665001Yeah... that I could do.
>>86664985Irrelevant. A holo event or a holoJP collab will never count as a solo JP stream. If they go play Minecraft with Watame in the future of course that's gonna be in Japanese, doesn't count as "they went out of their way to make a stream in JP when they could have done it in EN".
>>86665019I don't mind being surprised or whatever, don't even care about this part of the discussion, but just fucking leave if you hate their content.
>>86665019Bro stop posting this exact same wall over and over again, jesus christ. Are you unironically using chatGPT to reword this and repost it over and over again?? I swear to god I've read this shit 15 times in the last 20 minutesYou'd get it if you were a Ruffian, anon
>>86665055They'd complain more about it only being collabs than about it being stars. I really don't think a lot of brats or w/e they're called are still with her after 3 years who would now complain about male collabs.Also not an earnest argument because it's not like the last month from FWMC was 100% JP.
>>86664764Absolutely fucking baused.
>>86665059>If they go play Minecraft with Watame in the future of course that's gonna be in JapaneseDuring their collab Watame will reveal she is 100% fluent in eigo and has been for her entire career in HololiveScreencap this post
>>86665096>>86663663
>>86665059You're talking about a completely different argumentThis chain only talks about stream languageI'm just saying it's only natural for people to still complain and/or drift off if they increased their JP stream, regardless of whether it's collab or not
>>86665052They played it because they wanted to play it and they were replying to people who were saying that they weren't being true to themselves if they play things other than VNs. VNs aren't all they want to do and some of you act like anything other than White Album is some cynical attempt at getting more subs. They just like variety and they know different ruffians like different things.
>>86665072Anon, its people mourning a potentially radical departure in what they output. It makes sense that people would menherapost for a while. It happens anytime a girl radically shifts like this
Why are people spazzing about JP again? Twitter is gay, I don't care what they do there.
>>86665146> regardless of whether it's collab or notSo you want to actively keep them from collabing with all their senpai in Japan or to keep it to a minimum? That's even worse than just hating on the language itself imo, you want them isolated.
>>86665100>They'd complain more about it only being collabs than about it being starsSame on this side too thenIt's only natural to complain when the frequency suddenly increase to be overwhelmingAnd the line that decides how much is too overwhelming differs from people to people and also depends on the expectation that's already setAnd the expectation already broken now
>>86665146>You're talking about a completely different argument>This chain only talks about stream languageThe post two posts up the chain directly states "events do not count" >>86664905
>>86665169Insecure menheras who are worried they won't get their good boy points if they skip too many streams
>>86665052So their words mean nothing now? It's no longer the sole bastion of truth? You can choose to ignore them whenever you feel like it? Cool.
>>86664895At this moment, they are following what appears on this page.
>>86665198For what? What stream is left in the eaely morning for NA this week?
>>86665216Learning from the best
>>86665148They wanted to play it cause it was something new and they enjoyed streaming, but they didnt enjoy the game. Same with mbembe, that horrorslop game the other day, and It Takes Two.Watch streams, please. They're not streaming stuff they enjoy, they're trying new stuff and atrying to enjoy them, but they aint gamers and would rather play VNs. So its like I said, I wish they were willing to play stuff they enjoy more often.
>>86665052>yeah i mbembe that tweet heh they sure do love all games dont theyGenuinely, yeah, it's one of the most endearing things about them. It's hard to think of a genre they wouldn't at least try and enjoy. RTS for being too stressful? Even GS they would enjoy as a map-painting simulator.
>>86665170Do you want them to suddenly have a collab month where they only collab with various HoloJP for a full month and no EN stream?Everyone got tolerance limit that can be adjusted over time, but do it to fast and too sudden, and it's only natural to complain about the change
>>86665229They added https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NglXZlc4Xug so now people are losing it because it's a JP stream and they already had Eurotruck as a JP stream this week.That's TWO JP streams. Time to burn all my FUWAMOCO merch and go crazy!
Jesus Christ how many hours have you schizos been at it
https://x.com/fwmc1mproject/status/1841668615671591218Don’t forget the ruffian fan book! Don’t wanna get left out like you were before!
>>86665197And literally the reply to that said it counts.
>>86665263>>peopleSilly wuffian, sisters aren't people.
>>86665259Why is it always black and white? I love collabs. I love seeing them get closer to other holos and having fun with them, making friends. That doesn't mean I want 100% of all streams to be collabs only and zero solo streams.
>>86665151>a whileYou can find JP schizo shit in August 2023 threads, I shit you not. Go look if you don't believe me. It never stopped, it will never stop, they keep moving the goalpost to pretend they have an objective basis to stand on but they were whining during this now so-called golden age too.They keep calling others new, but the only people new in this discussion are potential JP schizos who weren't here on debut. It was always like this.
>>86665256Guess you missed It Takes Two as well as the stream I referenced.
>>86665208They ignore their own words, why would you put so much trust and faith in what they say. They've spent over 500 hours streaming this year, and have even more tweets. They will never be fully honest and will always have moments of contradiction with how much they talk about their activities to the general public.
>>86665291Exactly, anonIt's not black and whiteYou have your tolerance of how gray they'd be before you fuck off, and I have mineAnd if they suddenly changed their shades into the shades I don't like, it's only natural that I'd complain
>>86665248Cookie and Cream is a precious childhood memory to them. They're not gamers, but they're not VN only and never were. They even played Kingdom Hearts and tried Dark Souls but didn't know how to install DSfix and got stuck on PtDE bugs with a debug console on screen. That was all before Hololive or before even streaming games at all. On her incredibly rare off time Mococo has been playing a grindy game, not a VN.
>>86665169>Why are people spazzing about JP again?A sister brought it up unprompted and started strawmaningThe usual
>>86665208They dont like to openly shit on things they dislike due to holo perms and whatnot, but they make it obvious. Take a look at Mbembe Radio, Parasocial, It Takes Two, the horror game from earlier this week, and a few others.They wont always say something outright, but holy FLUFF do they make it obvious lmao.
>>86665263I think it's stupid, because it's obvious they actually have time for that timeslot in their life right now while they don't really have much time for their regular time slot. They won't move their normal stream times to that time because it would burn too much of their current fanbase who actually gives them money, but are willing to double up for an attempt to hit 1m. I've gotten a lot more casual on my consumption of their streaming, but I still wonder if shit like this will suddenly stop or if they'll flip their schedule once they hit 1m.
>>86665296People started learning Japanese, there were discussions on how to do reps and resources. That's how the reps guy who posts every so often got started
>>86665281>sistersCliquecord screenshot proves JPschizos are among Ruffians, so your boogeyman isn’t gonna work
>>86665300Retardchama...
>>86665391
>>86665276>And literally the reply to that said it counts.And the reply to that said it didn't.
>>86665378>They won't move their normal stream times to that time because it would burn too much of their current fanbase whoBut they've done it before and everyone was fine with it....
>>86665300They didn't like the negative tone of the story in It Takes Two, but they were having fun with the gameplay, and it's only natural that conflict gets resolved as the story progresses. I never got why people think they hated it so much, some of you have zero understanding of nuance.
>>86665351Yes but if your tolerance is as low as the "1 per month" guy up there then maybe it's time to realize that's unrealistic.The problem isn't even you having an issue with it, it's in what you do afterwards. Do you wait a few weeks and see how it goes then leave? Ok. Do you sit here for half a year or longer making antiposts every day? Not ok.
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>>86665439Anon, they care about story more than anything, so it KILLED the game for them to the point they dropped it.They had fun until that, then they hated it.
>>86665442
>>86665391>picSome actually care about the overseas fans but they choose not to jeopardize their content to pander to a minority
>>86665477Go back
THIS IS FROM THIS MONDAY'S JP SOLO STREAM.They told the JP tourists that they would stream in japanese "every once in a while".FWMC never once, NOT A SINGLE TIME, implied or gave any hints about wanting to do weekly JP solo streams, to us OR to the JP tourists.Stop fighting ghosts.Stop trying to justify a radical change in their content.If they radically change their content like that, fans are more than justified in being angry or dissapointed.
>>86665365VN were just an example, yes they also love retro games as well.Doesn't change the fact that yes they did hate those games I mentioned.
>>86665374They still had a ton of fun on those streams, the games were just dumb. They actually openly shit on things a lot more often than most holos, especially JP, this is one thing they have more in common with the EN side.>There's BL on the fridge lollllIs grounds for a massive yab over there, imagine Mococo's isekai rant.
>>86665477
>>86665440Do you know why is it unrealistic? Because their first year has set the expectation on what's realisticAnd based on that same year, this month is already way beyond what's considered realistic before>The problem isn't even you having an issue with itGlad we can agreed on thatThat's the only thing I'm arguing this whole chain.
>>86665502>IfThats really the centerpiece of your whole post, and tbis entire thread right now, to be honest.Its aaaaalll a big IF. If they do it. So far theres still no indication they will, despite the schizophrenia.
>>86665502(me)AND BEFORE YOU TRY TO ARGUE SEMANTICS, HERE YOU GO, YOU FUCKING RETARDS:"Every once in a while" conveys a vague sense of time, meaning something happens infrequently or occasionally, but without any fixed or regular schedule. It suggests that the action takes place sporadically, with significant gaps between occurrences, but not often enough to be considered routine.In terms of time, it could range from a few weeks to several months between occurrences, depending on the context, but it's always understood to be irregular and not very frequent.
>>86665418ExactlyThat's a clear evidence that guy was trying to conjure up a new argument that is not related to the previous chain
Nothing is ever perfect and the way you personally would want it to be, but if you no longer enjoy something you really don't have to stick around for many months beyond that point just to continuously shit up threads and anti the girls.I've had my qualms with them spamming shorts or their autism over guerrillas and unarchived spaces, but that's all minor stuff to me. If for you it's really gotten so bad that you don't like them anymore then go.
>>86665502FWMC’s word isn’t to be trusted
>>86665502But their words!
>>86665300>Guess you missed It Takes Two as well as the stream I referenced.No need to make up imaginary streams to try to prove your point, anon.
>>86665584>I've had my qualms with them spamming shorts or their autism over guerrillas and unarchived spaces, And now those are all over, just with this whole "situation."
>>86665502>>86665562Then how do you explain the JP stream tomorrow?
>>86665439>they were having fun with the gameplayThey explicitly complained about the gameplay because it doesn't have a real fail state other than both dying at the same time, which kills the urgency, and the game being piss easy
>>86665502>Stop fighting ghosts>If they change I'll be justified in the thread shitting I've been doing for a year
>>86665547>Because their first year has set the expectation on what's realisticIt shouldn't have because they said the first 6 months wasn't something that would continue and said things would change in future. I just wonder how many of these people who are seething here on cooldown were ones claiming they'd never be disappointed back in the download folding cleaning stream
>>86665391cli*queniggers aren't people either
>Just dont watch what you dont like bro>Just leave bro
This too shall pass
>>86665620>It shouldn't have because they said the first 6 months wasn't something that would continue and said things would change in futureThat's in regard to stream frequency instead of Japanese stream frequency, no?
They know the best way to get to 1m asap is by doing JP streams and hoping people show up and sub to them. They are doing everything in their power to appeal to the JP casual, and who knows if it'll stop or continue after 1m.
>>86665638This but unironically
DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>86665612This is true, I was more thinking about the minigames mid level and some of the platforming/puzzle solving, but you're right. I quite like this about them too, that they realize the importance of challenge even though they're bad at games.
Sometimes I think about taking a picture of myself in bed holding my kitty and post it on twitter so that FWMC can see me, fat ojisan with a cat
>>86665638Yeah because clearly the more sensible decision is to instead spend 6 hours of your day every day for years to come making anti posts on 4chan. That's the much more rational choice compared to watching vtubers you enjoy.
>>86665654Yes, the fag is just misrepresenting what they said again to try and defend the extreme increase in JP streams.You know, the thing that set off a decent chunk of the vocal part of their fanbase. Reminder that it really takes a lot for someone who's blindly in love with them or their content to leave comments like the ones that were left in that BP2 stream.
>>86665502>Stop fighting ghosts.If not me, then who?
>>86665624Cope, most of if not all of this thread is a part of the clique. The clique began with /baubau/, newfag. Sure, sisters come in and rile things up, but the ones arguing for hours wall after wall, the ones who complained underneath battle plan 2’s vod, are and were Ruffians
>>86665654You had the same people shitposting about how much they hate "season 2" as well. There isn't anything FWMC can do to make those people happy except returning to the kinds of schedule they had in the first 3 months. It's people who only like streams getting upset at the sacrifices needed for the idol journey
>>86665620>>86665654 (me)And even if that's the case, based on the second semester only, what they're doing this month in regards to JP stream is still unrealisticIf you disregard that semester too, then that means nothing can be regarded as realistic nor unrealistic because we literally don't have things to compare it with
>>86665391This only shows that a good part of the Ruffians will never be honest and straightforward with them, in places where they can see, there will only be compliments and fake smiles, while behind their backs, the fans are revealing their true thoughts.
Nothing new has been said in the last 3 hoursBOTH sides of this argument should commit sudokuThe world WILL be a better place without all of you
>>86665765Everyone is a ruffian. Some people are bad ruffians who we would be better off without.
>>86665654Both things are somewhat related, one extra JP stream in a super busy week is nothing, but it stands out more in a lighter week. But keeping the same percentage as stream frequency goes down would mean never doing them. They want to do them, especially during a time when so many new jp people are getting introduced to them. They got more subs since GTA than most indies would dream of having Twitter followers for their whole careers. Themselves included. Wanting them to not capitalize on this is actual insanity.
>>86665765I've been here longer than you have, before /baubau/ was even /baubau/.
>>86665775Nah, I was incredibly happy with their 3D debut, BD, and never complained or used the shitposting term "le season 2 season 1" and I hate JP solo streams and dont want them to waste time doing them, when they could be recording at that hour and stream during their usual timeslot instead.
>>86665792>Wanting them to not capitalize on this is actual insanity.They have clips with 500k views. Not wanting them to do a JP stream to capitalize on this is actually actively sabotaging them
>>86665784Most of them don’t want to smear their reputations with FWMC and other Ruffians so instead of being brutally honest, they lie like Tekzi by openly being for JP streams but express hatred for them either on the ‘cord or, more often than not, anonymously /here/ unless EVERYONE is onboard with being upfront like what happened after battle plan 2
>>86665792I agree. They're just playing the game right now and they know the spotlight is on them atm, they're riding this til 1M and want to get there asap.We'll see how things go in the weeks after they hit that. Not that I'm a JPschizo. I prefer most EN streams if I had the choice, but I still enjoy them in JP too.
>>86665825JP solo streams are a vital part of working toward their goal. Who is going to be buying the tickets for their solo live in Tokyo? How do they push for one if there is no demand?
>>86665784>lie to their faces in SCs, chat, and comments>continue the lie in other communities>continue the lie in private DMs with other Ruffians>continue the lie in /baubau/God is the only one who knows my real feelings. I dont even know anymore.
>>86665888>Who is going to be buying the tickets for their solo live in Tokyo?Me and my 20 smartfridges
>>86665391>>86665417>>86665528Why don't these fags just oshihen?
>>86665817No you haven’t kek but anyways, I just destroyed your poor attempt at deflection. Lurk 1000 years before posting
>>86665888>Who is going to be buying the tickets for their solo live in Tokyo? A scalper, who's ticket I will proceed to bankrupt myself to buy
>>86665825Not that simple, contrary to what shitposters try to imply, most of their time isn't spent on voice packs. They're always free to join totsumachi streams at JST night time, they were free for an hour long super gorilla collab, and so on. A lot of recordings can only happen during the JST work day. They have homework at night too, but those are more deadline based and they can control when it gets done more. Dance practice depends on the instructor, the place, and the people they're practicing with, same for studio recordings. And most of the people they're working with are on a regular JST schedule, streaming at night after work is done for the day.
>>86665841If it comes between subs or their word, I would rather they stay true to their word. But for me, character is everything. I trust they feel the same way, since they talk about staying true to themselves...
>>86665914Cause no one else besides FWMC will tolerate their mental illness
>>86665943Nah, disagree. The way they've talked implies they're working late into the night most days.
>>86665914Some of them because nobody else will take their bullshit in EN and they know it. Trauma dumping as often as some do would get a "the talk" moment from 90% of ENs.
>>86665888There's no solo live without orisongs and they have the amazing amount of 2 (two), not to mention they have 0 cds sold.
>>86665960Well they will always be sort of EN-JP hybrid holos. Then fans have varying tolerance levels of how much JP they accept. The problem isn't even some of those fans leaving if it crosses their line but when they instead stay and become schizo or antis.
>>86665792>>86665841The discussion started in good faith from the antiJPs part. We talked about understanding the increase of JP stream temporarily, but said that we don't want this to keep going after they reach the million subs, but then some retard started arguing about how FWMC should definitely start doing weekly JP streams and how "you are a anti if you are against that" and that made the antiJPs (justifiably) mad.
>>86665888And there inlies the problem. They will mever get what they want if they don't pander to the Japs.
>>86665978Does FuwaMoco have a savior complex?
>>86665992Yes, and I didn't disagree with that. But they can't just tell every JP they're surely recording and practicing guest parts for to cancel their streams to do it at night time JST because it's better for their fans.
>>86666016>but then some retard started arguing about how FWMC should definitely start doing weekly JP streams and how "you are a anti if you are against that" and that made the antiJPs (justifiably) mad.>>86661874
>>86666012Which they directly acknowledged and implied more are already in the pipeline, watch streams.
God damn, I bet atm is happy now that he's free to groom any 2view he wants.
>>86666012It's going to be a long road, it's only a small chance of happening and even then only if they bust their asses to do it. They don't have UMG backing like Mori. They need songs, they need connections, they need money and a lot of luck.All I know is that at the end of the road I'd rather see them make it if I have to make a few sacrifices, than get everything I want streaming wise but have them not get one and know that I played a part in making it not happen by guilt tripping and sabotaging every effort they make to reach out to new audiences that will help them get there
>>86665943Which is exactly why they should rip off the bandaid and move their normal streaming times to something that actually works for them. A time slot that can give them more wiggle room for starting and ending times. But they won't because as many people as you see throwing fits privately about the JP streams, will be ten-fold and publicly if they did swap. So here we are, always getting shorter streams in the regular timeslot and longer in their 'JP' slot, cancellations for normal time slot and gorilla streams for the 'JP' slot.
>>86665917There there, newffian. You'll fit in eventually.And it's 2000 years, nigger
>>86666118This is more on them. I doubt anyone would mind biweekly Saturday streams being moved two hours later just so they don't have to wake up at 3-5am, but they shot down that idea too. No use in arguing about this anymore.They have the noble goal of wanting their most important streams to get at a good time for their main audience, but their limits for what good time means are insanely strict. I genuinely truly do not think a single ruffian would be upset with only RNR Parties starting late.
>>86665841>Not wanting them to do a JP stream to capitalize on this is actually actively sabotaging themIt has probably been said a thousand times in the loop but I'm probably also retarded and not understanding still. I don't really get this argument. it's obvious that the JP audience is larger. appealing the larger audience is going to bring the numbers. who woulda thought, huh? no doubt it can push them to a million and beyond.but then if the numbers were all that mattered what is the entire point of having an EN branch in the first place if the whole goal is to appeal to the pre-existing JP majority? isn't the baseline goal of an EN branch to appeal to an EN audience to get that portion of the market share too? same with chuubas in ID. a holo EN target = EN speaking fans I thought. if it was purely a numbers game for personal growth, everyone should hard pander to JP as much as possible to the detriment of their fanbases instead of breaking ground.
>>86666102It just feels wrong to sacrifice bits of who they are just to reach their dreams, when they'll get there someday. They treat it like a race, which is why they're JP pandering SO hard right now. It's just disappointing to me. Like for instance, if they reach one million in a JP Solo stream, it'll be extremely and depressingly fitting. They finally did it, but only because they decided to blatantly pander as hard as possible without regard for the fans or the things they'd said in the past, as opposed to taking the slower but less disappointing/frustrating path. It's a race to them when it really shouldn't be.The time they had off due to moving was fine, the inconsistent schedules lesding up to BD and their 3Ds were fine as well cause I knew how hard they were working and I was excited for the end results. This doesnt make me excited, it just unironically makes me feel dread, legitimate dread for the first time ever.
>>86663269>If anything JP bothers you this much why did you even get into them much less stick with them for a year? It makes no sense.Have you considered they're antis trying to false flag?
The funniest thing about these times is thinking about how sad FUWAMOCO would be seeing these posts, they would unironically feel more understanding from like 40% of the JPschizos than the ones telling them to kill themselves or to oshihen.
>>86666229It's not false flagging, it's just actual former ruffians or ruffians on the verge of leaving who became antis
>>86666210I'll explain very slowly and patiently so that you can understand.1. different numbers mean different thingsb) you get something special for hitting 1M that you don't get for other numbersiii) if you are still confused, refer to previous points
>>86666042Eh, I mean they’ve emphasized on more than one occasion that they don’t wanna be the Ruffian’s ONLY source of happiness. In fact they’ve already said they’re willing to do what they can to make their dreams come true, even if it makes some Ruffians upset and cause them to leaveThe environment of FWMC’s community is also pretty unique to them in the sense that they encourage you to flood their hashtag with one-sided conversations like what Mugetsu does. They always talk about wanting to help protect smiles. They don’t condemn or look down upon traumadumping, as shitty as it may be. This gives schizos the green light to be as mentally ill and possessive as they want cause, again, no one but FWMC will tolerate it
>>86666118>Which is exactly why they should rip off the bandaid and move their normal streaming times to something that actually works for themI could not handle this promise of theirs being broken... weekly JP streams would suck, but moving their entire regular schedule would be horrible
>>86666210Because they couldn't make itninto the JP branch. That's seriously the only reason. If they would have been like Irys was from the start, it would have basically killed any chance of them getting a sololive, dead and buried in the ground. So they played the game, appealed to the EN audience, got money and popularity here, and now when there's nothing left to grind they move on to JP.
>>86666210Expanding to the EN audience is Covers goal. For FWMC banking on the EN scene expanding big enough to make a solo live in NA a realistic prospect is very risky compared to tapping into the existing JP audience capable of supporting one right now. >if it was purely a numbers game for personal growth, everyone should hard pander to JP as much as possible to the detriment of their fanbases instead of breaking ground.For each individual Holos ambitions this is true. Why is Bae in Japan making connections there instead of trying to expand the EN box? Making EN vtubing more widespread is one of the goals of HoloEN but if they want a solo live in this lifetime they NEED JP support, they can't pull one off without it.
>>86666229Debunked deflection, tourist
>>86666210holoID and holoEN might be about growing in ID and EN spheres, but that doesn't mean the reality isn't that the majority of hololive fans are still Japanese and the same goes for the active audience that will tune into event streams.Why do you think someone like Moona had 80k for her 3D debut? Stream slot was prime JP time and the audience was like 90% JPs tuning in. They actually do show up for such streams. Also at the end of the day all the girls would love to hit 1m, it comes not just with a free "almost anything goes" wish but once you hit 1m the youtube algorithm treats you better and you get more sponsorships and opportunities from Cover and affiliates.
>>86666249part of me wishes they were /here/ but also part of me wishes they weren't. it would make them sad seeing JP schizos but it would simultaneously pull out any wool from the eyes seen in most public posting of people loving and being happy with JP content. not to say /baubau/ is an accurate depiction of a fanbase at all but it's also not 100% "hunky-dory" with JP content and EN ruffians either.
>>86666224>if they reach one million in a JP Solo streamGod, that would be so fucking depressing...
>>86666210>appealing the larger audience is going to bring the numbers. who woulda thought, huh?Nobody but them and the gook got as big of a boost from GTA, you're underselling what happened. It wasn't "stream JP, get JP fans", it was their specific performance bringing more eyes on them than ever before since debut. The very fact that they're actively shilling their 3D debut should tell you everything, they're reaching people who haven't watched their single most important stream, and that one was the biggest EN 3D debut of all time.The GTA buff is a MASSIVE deal. It's not and should not be taken for granted.
>>86666327Keep going, someone will bite eventually!
>>86666354They know a chunk of ruffians don't like JP streams and understand that they're disappointed by JP streamsThey do NOT know that a chunk of ruffians are telling those ruffians to kill themselves
>>86666307>For FWMC banking on the EN scene expanding big enough to make a solo live in NA a realistic prospect is very risky compared to tapping into the existing JP audience capable of supporting one right now.Which ironically enough makes it sound very much NOT like FWMC. They said "its all for you ruffians" while actively chasing after a whole new audience who they didn't actually say those words to. Theyre treating this like a race where they need to gather up a whole separate audience that will always be a separate audience as fast as possible, as opposed to doing things in a more natural way and taking their dear fans along.It feels more like they're side-stepping he EN fans in order to reach their dreams more quickly.
>>86666341>Stream slot was prime JP timeIt's actually also prime ID time
>>86666354I'd only want it so that they finally see who the ten or so duplicitous snakes among their more known ruffians are. And hopefully it would make them stop interacting with them or giving them more undeserved love.
>>86666224>It's a race to them when it really shouldn't be.THIS... You hit the nail on the head. I actually believed them when they said that it wasn't a race, that they would do it in their own way without changing who they are... It all just sad.
>>86666354Anon, they already know the JPschizos exist and read what they had to say after the 2nd battle plan. It’s pretty easy to tell which posts are actually constructive criticism and genuine worries from Ruffian “JPschizos” and just sisters shitposters againFWMC know the ones who don’t care for JP streams exist, but their stance hasn’t changed in that they plan on doing WHATEVER they need to do. If these JPschizos get upset and decide to leave over that, sad as FWMC might be, they’d understand and wait in hopes they may come back like they said before
>>86666224They're not sacrificing who they are. They streamed exclusively in japanese to an exclusively japanese audience on a japanese website a decade before even their PL.It's why antis miss so much information, a lot of things that disprove their rrats you can only find searching their twitter in japanese. Like them being asked straight up about the guy antis love to loop about in two different occasions, and answering openly.
>>86666224There was another good post a while ago that pointed out they actually don't have that much time. It might feel like they do but they're a year in and they need at least 6 more original songs and a lot more Japanese recognition to stand a chance. They really do need to be going all out. A solo live is not realistic until their 4th year, possibly 5th. The slower path isn't something they can do, if they were in Hololive ahead of the boom like Myth was then yes but they're after it, the scene is a lot more competitive now. This is what they cried about in the folder cleaning stream. They know this direction will make some people unhappy but it's something they've got to do for themselves.
>>86666446Anyone that brings this stupid shit up is a brown monkey
>>86666433I'm aware. But that's the thing, despite that being ID prime time and them being ID, it was by far mostly JP tourists who tuned in for those ID event streams. Lucky for them that their time zones are like that of course.
I really should've started my 1M project soonerNow there's only like, a couple week left and it's HoloctoberFuck
>>86666341>>86666307Thry care about their numbers first and foremost. Bae talked about Roberu on debut, Irys has been going hard with large chunks of JP's since debut, Kiara is always willing to play games she wants over ones that do well with numbers since debut. These are examples of people who are doing what they want to do.FWMC want a sololive, and if that means jumping around trying to capatalize on JP attention while canabalizing their EN content because it will get them closer to what they want, then they'll do it. They are no different than the other three I mentioned, but it comes off as much more oppertunistic because their goal is literally NUMBERS.
>>86666354Well it would make them truly understand that theres a portion of fans that are actuvely disappointed that they're going in this direction, which means they could actually address it properly for once instead of sweeping it under the rug sonthe rats can scury and spread their disease.
>>86666490>because their goal is literally NUMBERS.You just said their goal is a sololive. Numbers are a means to get there.
>>86666462>Like them being asked straight up about thI dont recall, but I'll wait for the bread rather than ask
what’s going on ruffians, have your oshis abandoned you again?
>>86666525That's what I'm saying you dummy. The numbers are what gets them the sololive, the thing they want. So they will do almost anything to get them. Obviously they have some lines in the sand they won't personally cross, but past that, they'll do it.
>>86660079BAU BAUThis thread is not worth reading at all
>>86666462>They're not sacrificing who they are.Maybe not all of who they are, but absolutely a portion of who they are. If their words mean nothing to you or to themselves, then sure. But their word DOES matter. How they reach their goal matters. This is simply a disappointing way of reaching it, and it always will be to me. I'm happy at this milestone, cauee holy fuck good for them, but i can't get excited for it and dont think i can even pretend to be
>>86666550*cums on you*
>>86666462But that's just pushing forward more that they wanted the JP audience all along and only settled for EN because it's what they could get. And now they're trying to court that audience when they had eyes on them from GTA.
>>86666565It all comes back to how fans handle not being okay with things they do for the sake of those numbers. For example the same way JPantis here hate that stuff, I would probably leave if they started collabing with eceleb males or male vtubers or things like that. But I would actually leave, I wouldn't stay here for ages and antipost them, I'd tell them I'm disappointed and leave and that's it.
>>86666619>But that's just pushing forward more that they wanted the JP audience all along and only settled for EN because it's what they could get.Because you're replying to a troll, yes.
>>86666582While there are lots of JP schizo posting at least with ita. it is on topic with FWMCb. while a loop, most of it has been semi-decent discussion and not pure shitposting
>>86666670>most of it has been semi-decent discussion
Just by being slightly more casual a lot of Ruffians could be happier with FWMC. >friend calls me and wants to play vidya? Skip stream.>go out for dinner and won't be home later? Skip stream.>stream is at a bad time for me? Timestamps and clips catch me up, can comment on the VOD for engagement.>more interested in a Mumei/Biboo/Shiori stream? Watch that live instead.>new anime to watch more interesting than their choice for the night? Watch that instead.>only reply to tweets if I got something to say and if it showed up on my timeline T. occasional superchatter, ESR, liked and RT'd and hearted Ruffian, merch buyer, read in chat weeklyI never feel like I'm missing out, FWMC is just one of my hobbies and it's a fun thing to engage with in my free time. Maybe if that was the case for the menhera they would be happier too. But I suppose the reason they are obsessed and it causes them so much pain is because they don't have anything else in their lives.Of course the shitposters are way worse off, their only hobby that dominates their life is shitting on FWMC in this thread and trying to FUD hard enough to drive away their fans (insane behaviour).
>>86666685nta but yeah a lot of it has been
Good morning /baubau/
>>86666597Kiara told them to pace themselves. Bae told them to pace themselves. Marine told them to pact themselves. The Ruffians have asked them to pact themselves. Face it they're hungry, they have their one shot and they're going to grip it with everything they have because they're afraid it might disappear. You're along for the ride, like all of us are, all you can do is cheer them and support them. Being depressed about them pushing too hard isn't going to change them if Marine couldn't convince them the most it will do is make them feel worse.
I just want them to treat EN ruffians in JP stream the way they treat JP ruffians in EN stream
>>86665841>Not wanting them to do a JP stream to capitalize on this is actually actively sabotaging themIsn't that a goal of the schizos anyway? They want them to only do their comfy VN streams in front of 2k people and only read their superchats. Finding success, especially with JP tourists (biggest vtubing audience in the world), actively "threatens" them.That's why their talking points are basically the same as the sisters'.
>>86666714Based mentally healthy ruffian
>>86666726Go back to sleep
>>86666727They're like Koyori who also went all out, grind grind grind. Only I think Koyori can somehow magically get away with it and her throat and energy and body can take the abuse.
>>86666727>going to grip it with everything they have because they're afraid it might disappearYup, they're afraid itll all disappear but they're going about things in a way where stuff WILL disappear around them, and they wont see it til its too late.
>>86666714>T. occasional superchatter, ESR, liked and RT'd and hearted Ruffian, merch buyer, read in chat weeklyThere was not a single good reason to put this in your post
>>86666714Rich of you for the blessed to talk down on the lacking
>>86666806He's pretending to be me
>>86666785>Only I think Koyori can somehow magically get away with it and her throat and energy and body can take the abuse.The magic of mayo.
>>86666824He should pretend to kill himself with a loaded gun
>>86666716Literally a good half of the thread was just retards constantly misinterpreting each others' posts because they're too dumb or ESL to read properly. Most of the actual discussion started recently, and most of that is just loops being reiterated for the Nth time
>>86666727>they have their one shot and they're going to grip it with everything they have because they're afraid it might disappearYes, and by the way they are doing it it will end up disappearing. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
>>86666714That's pretty much where I am. If FWMC stream a game something I don't care for, I do something else, return when they actually stream something I care for, and it's nothing has changed at all. I still get read by them, still have my tweets liked by them, still have my comments given hearts, etc. Once you feel like you're obligated to watch a chuuba, regardless of whether or not they're your oshi, it's pretty much over for you. You'll be sitting through streams you're disinterested in and wind up feeling bitter about the content and towards FWMC themselves until you use /baubau/ as the place you vent behind anonymity and borderline anti post against them
>>86666714>only reply to tweets if I got something to say and if it showed up on my timeline This one is especially true. You don't HAVE TO reply to every single tweet or always leave a comment on everything.
>>86666648So then you agree that they are sacraficing what they were originally representing themselves as for the chase of numbers?The reason Irys attracts less schizos over this shit is because she's been pandering to the JP audience from the start. FWMC are numbermongers and realized that they will never get what they want (outside of lots of money to fund projects and move to Japan) out of the EN audience.
>>86666872It's like if you had a girlfriend and she watches Grey's Anatomy once a week or some shit and you don't join her for that but go to the bar with buddies while she has her girl evening doing her nails and watching slop.That's fine.
>>86666871Maybe. They're going to do it anyway. Are you going to do your best to push them so they might make it or are you going to stand by and wag your finger so you can get your "told you so"s in if they do fall
>>86666880>So then you agree that they are sacraficing what they were originally representing themselves as for the chase of numbers?You do not watch FUWAMOCO, or if you do you're so mindblowingly stupid you don't even get what is happening on your screen.
>>86666910I was going to say that George Clooney is pretty hot, no homo, but then I remembered that I was thinking of ER
>>86666871Well, that's how it is. All of this is a gamble for them already over just working a mundane job. They can either go big or go home.
>>86666910But I would 100% tune in if FWMC had a nail painting stream. The KiaRysOri nail painting stream was amazing.
>>86666872The thing is that a good chunk of those people don't want to have the obvious confirmed to them, that they won't even notice his absence.
>>86666880>So then you agreeNo.>The reason Irys attracts less schizos over this shit is becauseAlso no.>FWMC are numbermongers>mongersLearn English and then kys yourself, you retarded ESL chimp.
>right back to the "purposfully misinterpret each other" part of the loopOh what fun
Do they even love the EN Ruffians at this point? I honestly feel like they would be a lot happier with only JP fans.
>>86666821I admitted that the problem is probably prior to FWMC. But it's still true that if you're already unhappy and aimless you can't fill your entire life with FWMC in hopes that it will fix those feelings.
>>86666910More like everyone is enjoying Grey's Anatomy and because you personally don't, you're screeching and shitting on the floor.
>>86666880>The reason Irys attracts less schizos over this shit is because she's been pandering to the JP audience from the start.You did not watch FWMC from the start.
>>86666962>Play retro games>Play VN>Talk about VN>Talk about JP TV and animeThey sure don't do a whole lot of that lately, huh. Maybe once a week for anything specific on that list.
>>86667004It was just an example, I was trying to say you don't have to spend 100% of every day with them, it's fine if you occasionally don't like something they like and then come back.
>>86667030Yes, but its a fading love
>>86667004Kiara's girls talk streams are unironically some of the best HoloEN content.
>>86667019>Learn English>-monger denotes dealer or trader in a specific commodityYou're a fucking retard.
>>86667050>They sure don't do a whole lot of that lately, huh. Maybe once a week for anything specific on that list.I revise my earlier post, you don't even watch them now.
>>86667056I know, I'm just taking the piss a little.
>>86666770Noe
>>86667083Its an ESL staple to call others ESL. They always out themselves though.
>>86666880They know they need to make hard choices, they cried over it. They care about the Ruffians a lot. In fact I'd say no other EN member cares about their fans as much as FWMC do. You could just complain until they give up, until they give in and stop trying for their dreams, until they're putting on fake smiles knowing their idol dreams are truly dead and they will settle for spending what time they have streaming DKC and Chillslop til the end of time. Would that make you happy? Is that the good end?
>>86667083Don't even reply to the Perotranny, he's just a shitposting tourist.
>>86667134We should have a trolley problem stream with them but with user submitted questions such as "kill one ruffian vs get +10k subs"
>>86667030I try not to think about it anymore. Ignorance was truly bliss at one point.
>>86667050Yeah, confirming you were dropped on the head as a child.
Ruffians are actively the worst part about FUWAMOCO
>>86667083Yeah. So is the implication that FWMC are selling the numbers, or that they want bigger numbers for themselves, you clueless retard?
>>86667134>They care about the Ruffians a lotYeah, the JP ones maybe. They obviously don't care about us.
>>86667134>No Holo in EN cares more about their fans than FWMCNow that's a load of bullshit. I will say it's a lot harder when your fanbase is a bit bigger than the normal EN.
>>86667203It means they're number tradeswomen. And by that, I mean they create and cultivate smiles, like smile farmers, then they trade our smiles(EN ones) for noombers.It's clearly a lucrative trade with a massive ROI, unfortunately I believe it is an unethical practice.
>>86667203You really are ESL. Do you know the meaning of 'being in the trade of' means?
>>86667179Is it really a trolley problem if it gets people like you, Aeon, or the Eren avatarfag killed?
>>86667264>Do you know the meaning of 'being in the trade of' means?Do you? Despite what your two-second Google search may have told you, in English 'monger' exclusively refers to selling.
Does no one care about the voice packs anymore?
>months of consistently btfo-ing sisters now mean that his mere image causes them to seetheTruly Pero is not a demon, but a holy blessing
Do you think FUWAMOCO would enjoy the 2023 Chinese PLA Type 20 Self Heating MRE?>>86667324I haven't been able to buy it yet
>>86667324Never cared to be honest.They make money so I get why they exist though.
Hard working idols have to be numberfags by default. It's how being an idol works. And why you sometimes get seemingly sad situations like seeing starter ones sell CDs on a street corner.
>>86667134>They care about the Ruffians a lotMaybe they did, in the past, but it's not true anymore. They are willing to spend less time with us, willing to hurt us, just so they can make more streams for the JP tourists. EN Ruffians weren't enough for them apparently, so now they'll try to get a JP fanbase that will support them and allow them to accomplish their dreams.
>>86667324Not since FWMC stopped liking tweets related to them
>>86667357>self-heatingI'm sure they'd enjoy it just because it means they don't have to use an oven or microwave
>>86667368>And why you sometimes get seemingly sad situations like seeing starter ones sell CDs on a street corner.After getting into vtubing I realized that shit really panders to concernfags.Idol companies are ruthless.
>>86667324I stopped caring about them after they did the school one.
>>86666872A different anon here, I think I might end up going this route as well, not because of the streams, but more so I neglected a lot of "me" time. Last night since there was no stream, it sorta dawned on me, you know what? Let me boot a game and play and see if a friend join. We ended up playing Tekken for a few sets. Shit was good. Going to do same to catch up on some other games and things I had been putting off. I saw there was a new Mana game too. I think they would see me be super hyped for a game or whatever I'm doing than sitting in a stream where I'm just there, if that makes sense.>>86667324I talk bout em from time to time. Just not much of it gets mentioned here I guess.
>>86667324How much people care about the voice packs is directly tied to how people feel about the girls
>>86667313You're such a fucking retard it's unbelievable.
>>86667378Actually they care about everyone except for you.Tough luck, should have been less of a fag.
>>86667485>no rebuttalBetter luck next time, ESLfriendTry not jumping in when your only knowledge came from Google
>>86667324We're going on what, number 8? The entire company it feels like has been pumping them out like no tomorrow for the last year. If this was 2022, I would have been way more interested, but when there's so god damn many they kind lose their 'special' feeling. I still really like the gen ones that end up more like 'radio plays' than anything. Myths was good too.
>>86667500Yeah, they don't care about me because I'm a EN Ruffian. It would be a completely different story if I was a JP casual.
>>86667378The majority of ruffians are happy about them doing events and holoJP collabs and succeeding with their holo and idol aspirations, so actually through their choices they make more people happy than they make unhappy.
>>86667560They care about all the other EN Ruffians, though.
>>86667588They don't. They can't even bother to spend time with us.
>>86667324I buy them all but I unironically only care about and listen to the romantic/gosling voice packs. The rest are just silly anime scenario's, but the romantic ones play out like their own fantasies, so TO ME they feel more natural and better overall TEE BEE DESU
>>86667457The funny part is, while they need a few big whales, I'm sure they'd appreciate 10-fold having a bunch of casual fans like this over the one menhera retard who might blow up and take his thousands elsewhere. It's easier to make casual fans happy, because they expect nothing and just show up and support when they feel like it.
>>86667601They streamed this morning, yesterday, and they'll stream for us again tomorrow.>b-b-but!Skill issue
>>86667206>>86667378FUWAMOCO love their Ruffians, that goes without saying to anyone who watches them. Even if they understand not every Ruffian will be onboard with the ways they go about reaching their goal of 1mil subscribers, they still cry and remind us that they will wait in hopes of one day we return. FWMC are willing to do what they can to make their dreams come true even at the expense of their own health taking a decline. Why? It's because they want to make their Ruffians proud of them. Yeah, it might frustrate us that they don't sleep or eat like they should. Yeah, it might frustrate us that they take on a lot of homework and hardly ever really treat themselves. I wish they did all of these things myself, but none of those things change the objective fact that FWMC are idols who live to make their fans happy. They love all of us regardless of ethnicity. They paid for a professional translator who TLs at lightning speed for our sakes. They still try to stream for us even when they're as booked as they are with homework and other work mane-chan calls them to do. They only postpone streams when they have no choice but to like Mococo dealing with migraines or, in rare cases, wanting to take the opportunity to have dinner with their senpais like Suisei. When they do postpone, they feel bad about it. They type up lengthy updates and apologies for the doggy pack not long after it. They apologize some more whenever they stream again. They're not perfect, they don't claim to be. They're FWMC. They're fluffy and fuzzy. I love them
they only care about brazilian ruffians. jp and en ruffians are second to the brgods
>>86667550They've been pushing out a lot more, that's for sure. Maybe they figure there's no risk of oversaturation because they're all themed and people will only buy the ones they want?I agree about the longer "voice dramas", too, the Advent one last year was great. Wouldn't mind getting one every year with different topics.
