Isn't outright begging for subscribers kinda...
...based?
>>86738576isn't that a bit...
>>86738576Remember how some EN members got massively shit on for doing not even a tenth of FWMC's numberfagging?
I subscribed when you debuted Fuwamoco what do you want me to do about it?
BAU BAU>verification not required
>>86738576Is there a reason they're so desperate to hit the milly? Why not just let it happen when it happens?
>>86738576>chuuba I don't watch is close to a milestone number>I sub>they reach the milestone>unsubDoes anyone else do this?
>>86738845No, I’m not gay.
>>86738576What blows my mind is the numbers counter right on the screen when they're no where near one million yet and how often they do number stuff like this.I keep forgetting they come from a place that likely drilled this stuff into their head and linked it to their self worth. I just assume quickly getting over 20 times your original sub growth would be enough.
>>86738576Soulless, yes. I'm ready to move on from holoEN. I have no affinity with these people.
>>86738789The third set of triplets joins the pack for 1 million wishes. Cocowa
>>86738912Doing that vertical Mario world stream with a giant sub counter onscreen was borderline unwatchable.
>>86738576>Still lost the race to 1M to Kronii who doesn't GAF about subsRuffians, I'm disappointed, baubau...
>>86738934>>86738981It really seems like they're the most numbers obsessed members of Hololive, doing vertical streams that are annoying to watch for your regular viewers just to boost your numbers is some weak shit.
>>86738720If you were actually subscribed like an actual ruffian you might have seen their community post asking you to tell your friends.
>>86738934>>86738981>>86739115You're so absolutely right, my fellow sisters.Let us cleanse ourselves with Fulgur's newest young voicepack before cutting ourselves.
>>86738989Is it really a race when Kronii had an almost 2-year headstart?
>>86738576Making multiple accounts!Splitting personality!Buying multiple wifis!I'm on it bau bau!
>>86738845no, you are too far gone. Get something better to do anon.
>>86738912Somehow that last part might be the most plausible reason why they are like this
I know it's not something we do here but let's be adult about Fuwamoco case, their shilling can be largely forgiven because in term of money they are 2 individuals surviving on 1 corpo channel living in Tokyo (one of the most expensive city in the world), everything they gain is divided by 2 so making projects with that in mind must be pretty hard. Moreover their coworker and even the japanese ones must understand that it's rough for them because they are shilling them to the max (Pekora, Marine, Towa, Fubuki, Suisei...) they really really shilled them after and during the GTA RP, they probably love their work and understand that collabing with them might be a fruitful endeavor but they must also understand that their kouhai need to make the channel for 2 person and giving them publicity is a win-win long term and is a good action that doesn't cost much.So I think we can forgive them for shilling, I wouldn't be as lenient if it was for a single holo but their case is peculiar.
>>86739596>wouldn't be as lenient if it was for a single holoCOPE
I unsubbed when they started spamming shorts
First HoloEN to actually have JP level work ethics and drive. Seeing EN girls actively trying to get subs instead of lazily watching their numbers going up without a care is breaking people's brains.This thread though is probably sisters seething that they're getting to 1M.
>>86739596We can forgive them but not everyone in /here/ is going to agree with this either
>>86739596They aren't 2 independent people. They are basically joined at the hip and the biggest cost is always housing, which is not significantly more for 2 people living together than 1.
>>86739738Holy shit dude. This board used to fucking lose it when anyone asked for subs in 2020.
>>86739212I love how much material the nijis create for posts like this, they really just make it too easy
>>86738576The fact that they get a reward for a million subscribers despite being a duo gimmick account is messed up. They should at least need 1.5 million or 2 million.
>>86739596>Tokyo (one of the most expensive city in the world)lol
>>86739192>Friends.Haha...
>>86738912i think it is 100% better for them to be passionate about their growth like this, it gives them a reason to work hard. wouldn't want another gura in the branch. chumfags actually pampered gura so much she doesn't feel like doing 1mil celebration at the time because she thinks she doesn't earn it.
>>86738912>What blows my mind is the numbers counter right on the screen when they're no where near one millionWhy? Nene has a sub count in like half of her streams, and I haven't seen anyone complain.
>>86738576It's ok when holo does it.
>>86739842well then they are still worse off than all the other holos since they live with their boyfriends and husbands
>>86738789One mil wish that likely doesn't involve their streaming activities
>>86740045
>>86738576
>>86738576Meanwhile kronii who collabed with men reached. A a million before them and didn't had to beg. Lmao
>>86738632Fpbp lmaoOP BTFO BEYOND RECOVERY
>>86738845I often sub to chuubas that I know I will never watch who don't have many subs or are close to a milestone. But I don't unsub, I just throw them in my "just subbed" category in the pocket tube extension.
>>86738576this is fucking pathetic. I hate them more and more by the day, there's nothing wrong with being tryhards, but they've moved into the full on soulless shill category. Unironically what is their fucking problem? They'd have already coasted past their goal if they never moved and wasted all that time and burned so many bridges.
>>86739596shut the fuck up ruffian. They get separate paychecks, they have separate merch. They share sc and member money, sure, but many chuubas have said thats the smallest part of their income. Merch and sponsorships are where it's at.
>>86739738fuck off Fuwawa, go sit on Moco-chan's face and quit posting here
>>86738576Similar to what like 30 of the holoJPs have done before, many of them quite often? Yeah I agree
>>86741485not like she had a 2 year, 800k sub head start, right?....right?
>>86740698Just one, and yeah me
>>86738789They get 1 wish after 1 million. They'll wish to become japanese.
My pet theory is Fuwawa has to make herself feel useful and needed so she does it by micromanaging for numbers.
>>86738703>Kiara: "I kinda wonder why I was the last one in Myth to get to a Million."ORANGE WOMAN BAD! (and I would agree with that because being a Number monkey is fucking annoying)>FUWAMOCO for the past 4 months: GET US TO A MILLION, GET US TO A MILLION, GET US TO A MILLION FIRST! REDDIT GET US TO A MILLION!"Somehow this is Okay.
>>86741856Kronii is an anti numberfag, so it balances out.
>>86742075>They'll wish to become japaneseWuffians.......
>>86738576Is the counter real? They get a sub every 3 seconds, people would kill for that consistent growth
>>86738576ladies and gentlemen, THE numberfag vtubers
>>86742330>people would kill for that consistent growthThey're in fucking Hololive, they know applying normal logic to their situation is just an excuse to be lazy
>>86739115I skip on their Japanese streams. It's okay to not watch all of their streams, Ruffian.
>>86738576They want to get their 1 million wish so they can finally marry me. I'm playing hard to get
>>86739702Is it really coping if it's true? I truly wish /vt/ had more empathy for the chubas.
>>86738576Begging for numbers like this is the kind of shit that makes be block channels doing it. Disgusting behavior, on par with the worst fleshtubers.
>>86740361I have no problem with anyone asking for help hitting a goal as long as no one is harmed. I think this idea of "it's only alright if you don't explicitly ask for help" is backward and superficial
>>86741681Different culture. They may be EN but their mindspace is in JP. Understand that they don't think what they're doing would come across as pathetic to westerners, they didn't even consider it.
Why do things like this make western audiences upset while it's accepted in jp?
>>86742653>>86741681>>86742930seethe homobeggarkeks seethe
>>86742955>make western audiences upset/vt/ is not general western audiences
>>86742075Somehow it doesn't seem impossible.They have a chronic weeb disease. They're one(two) of the "Japan is heaven on earth every other country is bad".
>>86738576ENs biggest numberfags, its getting annoying. Cant they just ask JOPs for subs and fuck off already?
Once you account it's two people begging this hard for something multiple girls did individually it makes sense they are desperate, soulless husks trying to get a crumb of bargaining power against cover.
>>86741821I wish more people understood this. There's objectively nothing wrong with what they're doing and calling it "begging" is entirely pejorative. They're not stepping, hurting or violating anyone.
>>86743084can't you homobeggars fuck off already? your seething is getting annoying.
>>86738576if they didn't move to Japan, they easily would've had 1mil+ by now
>>86743015>>86743144Huh, didn't know that begging for subs on reddit is unicorn-approved idol behavior.
>>86742219I feel like there's a connection desperately being made here. FWMC rushing to a million has nothing to do with Kiara's discontent...
>>86738789They are unironically THE numberfags of holoEN.
>>86741681>burned bridgeswhat? Advent is the only gen still arranging weekly collabs a year laterif the bridges were burned they wouldn't bother>o-oh well no one else in EN -take your delusions elsewhere faggot
even more pathetic that its directly above fans celebrating Kronii's one million that same day
>>86738789Biological clock.
They were literally spraying subscribe begging graffiti in GTA rp.They are the fakest holos.
>>86741856Cope lmao
>>86743015Why am I included in this? I have no problem with FWMC asking for help to gain more subs
>>86743144>wuffians need to write incoherent shit to defend their retarded baby dogs
>>86740287>chumfags actually pampered gura so much she doesn't feel like doing 1mil celebration at the time because she thinks she doesn't earn it.This sentence doesn't even make sense, anon.
>>86738576it's ok when Holo does it.
>>86738789part of the plan, they need it for negotiation purposes to get their job as the gogonippon twins back
>>86743084Mori is a bigger numberfag than both of them
Is FWMC morning prerecorded? Because how do they manage to stream it every midnight?
>>86743575>Is FWMC morning prerecorded?No, you see them react to specific messages sometimes>Because how do they manage to stream it every midnight?Its called discipline, something rare in most ENs
>>86738576Meanwhile Baelz and Fauna on suicide watch!
>>86743166>>86743318Nice admissions homobeggarkeks, your homos are literally 2 views now faggots. Keep seething.
>>86743690I see. With all the negative reactions here, I was under the impression that they were lazy and dispassionate, being called fake and all. I genuinely feel like people are just blowing this out of proportion and are being offended for the sake of being offended
>>86738576Its okay because they say bau bau
>>86739596You have no idea how their contract looks like so you are just assuming that they are earning significantly less than their coworkes.
>>86738576>Another reddit screencap threadPlease just delete this board already.
Some people really don't like to be reminded they're watching corporate product
For the first 3 years of EN's existence there were endless complaints here about how lax and unaspiring the entire branch is. now that the twins showed up the rest of EN with how disciplined and ambitious they were, /vt/ resorted to calling them sellouts.I wonder where this prominent crab bucket mentality came from.
>>86743244I meant burned bridges with fans. They had unprecedented levels of goodwill and trust and that's gone now. They're just 2 more random backstabbing chuubas like the rest of 'em
>>86744393Genuinely curious as to why you'd think them asking help to get more subs is a backstab
>>86744366Nigga arguing with ghosts.
>>86743553sure, if it lets you sleep at night then keep telling yourself that>>86743883Why would i be a homobeggar you retard? Would i have a reason to hide it if it were true? Are you missing a brain? This has nothing to do with it, your dogs are just shit and you whiny ruffians need to work overtime to protect your stupid dogs everytime they numberfag again.
>>86744366you know there's a middle ground right? taking pride in your work and doing your best. You don't have to be a lazy cunt or a zealous, shill-bot numberfag
>>86744457thats not, the whole 'abandoning EN fans to suck JP dick' is what turned a lot of people against them. After all their protect your smiles bullshit they made it very clear that numbers and their IRL idol shit was what their priority was, not the ruffians. We are just a stepping stone to them.
>>86744562Cover puts lot of weight on 1mil so it's kinda their job
>>86738576>OHGODSPLEASE 2024 IS ALMOST OVER
Why are you guys so butthurt about how they go about it?
>>86738576Vertical JP NPC stream-it-until-you-make-it when?
>>86738576Technically it's only 500k subscribers each, since there's 2 of them.
>>86744562They're far from lazy...
>>86744668I'm also genuinely trying to understand where all the hate comes from. Have peiple become so small that they
They posted it right after Kronii's 1million subs. they are so desperate kek
>>86744562what's wrong with them being an ambitious shill-bot numberfag? Doing embarrassing things in the name of achieving dreams has always been part of the idol journey. with how lazy the rest of EN is, I find them to be a breath of fresh air.
>>86744668because no sane person can understand why they are doing it>past lives were pretty unpoplar, not well known, had low numbers to the point where say could say good bye to every viewer with name>well ahead of their gen mates since debut>fastes growing sub count since council>no other EN member even comes close to being that desperate for subsIf you just consider all these things and compare it to what they had before they joined Holo it makes this extremely awkward and questionable. Why are they under the impression that they deserve to be SO MUCH more popular then everyone else? Is it still not enough for them? Why so greedy?Being ambitious is fine but they do it in the most stupid way possible, not even counting in their JP NTR arc that seems to be still ongoing.
>>86738576BAU BAU
>>86744562That would require critical thinking here. Remember this is the same place with no object permanence and treats popularity and "hardwork" with a wagecuck mentality that you're entitled to be rewarded if you keep your pc on long enough.
why do people give a fuck about follows? shouldnt they only care how many viewers, superchats and memberships they get?
>>86745450You don't get youtube plasma button for viewers.
>>86745267>Why are they under the impression that they deserve to be SO MUCH more popular then everyone else?This is an incredibly bad faith interpretation of someone working hard. Any other EN can do what they do if they want, if everyone else would rather coast then that isnt Fuwamocos fault
>>86744863>hateAnon people give Mori shit for doing half the stuff FWMO do but at least Mori will back up the shrilling with a new song or a big project. You have to be blind at this point to think FWMO don't numberfag. I don't have to hate them to call them out on one thing.
>>86745450Investors care about sub count.
>>86738576it is? they should say it in japanese then
>>86745599>working hardSo no one else does this? How are you judging this and with two people working on one account? They were on break several times this year for various reasons. You gonna count that too or only give FWMO an exception?
>>86745450supposedly you get lot more opportunities after 1m
>>86743911>I genuinely feel like people are just blowing this out of proportion and are being offended for the sake of being offendedYou just described the entirety of /vt/ in a nutshell.
>>86745599I thank god no one else is numberfagging like this
>>86743080>”Japan is heaven on earth every other country is bad"this but without any hint of irony whatsoever
>>86745267>Why so greedy?Iirc they stated this was one of their big goal in their debut.
There aren't even 1 million vtuber fans left
>>86745599Are you implying that some other ENs are simply not working hard as well? What does Fuwamoco do that girls like Bijou, Kiara, Mori, Bae, etc arent doing? Yet here they are begging for 1mil subs because surely they are so much more deserving.
>>86746207Good for them, and they will get there eventually. Why the rush tho.
>>86738576Wasn't Ironmouse celebrated for sleeping through her begging sessions?
>>86746264Then how did Kronii got them?
>>86746707Spamming shorts
This hurts homobeggars so bad they went and bot subbed kronii to a million lmao
>>86747001At least she didn't need to turn to JP fanbase for her crumbs LMAO
>>86738789They are in a hurry to achieve something in their idol career before they reach an age when it's embarrassing to be into the cutesy idol stuff they like.
>>86738576Isn't eating food out of the garbage kinda...
>>86739596>their shilling can be largely forgiven because in term of money they are 2 individuals surviving on 1 corpo channel living in TokyoHolo EN members can afford to support their entire families on a single salary. I'm sure they earn more than enough for the two of them.
>>86746444Because they want it? I mean what's really the issue here? Are you guys offended that they are trying hard to pursue it?
>>86742075They'll wish for a solo live.
>>86738576this plus BAU BAU every 13 seconds = i just cant watch them
>>86747050This still makes you seethe?streamable.com/s0r0wi
>>86747302They would fellate every homo live on stream if it got them past 1 mil subs instantly.
>>86747380>two hags who knows what they want would do anything with homos.I'm sorry your phase girls cucked you with flayon many times but is your fault for staying loyal.
>>86747470Hang on, is everyone who disagrees with you a phaseshill or a homobeggar? Keep your story straight.A vtuber who prioritizes numbers over everything else will never be happy, and will take you down with them as well in their greed.
>>86738989Of course
>>86738576WE'RE SORRY YOU FEEL LEFT OUT
>>86747237No, i am annoyed to be constantly confronted with their numberfagging. And lets not act like this is something new that people dont like.
>>867477451Mbros ... how are we so great?
>>86742505not when japs get the fun streams like maids or asmr
>>86747618Who say you can't be both a phaseshill and a homobeggar considering all the shit you phasecucks gave kronii and propping your corp as the no male corp until homos 2.0 debuted and ruined it for you and now you're forced to accept it.
>>86747745>all those ascending dotsevery single begging stream kek, cant make this shit up
>>86747745You can clearly point to begging events in that graph
>>86747912Those were all #shorts except for when they hit 900k and their 3D debut
>>86742219It's ok when JPs do it.
>>86745267I think they are just still numberfags because of being unpopular in past lives, they just constantly feel not good enough and impostor syndrome is eating them away.
>>86738576Yeah they're the most traditional vtubers in the company, I think it's good that someone keeps that flame alive in a dedicated manner, you know, just so that we don't forget how chuunas used to be before 2020
Kronii has more subscribers than Fuwamoco which means that she’s better than them
>>86748132Maybe, but wouldnt imposter sydrome make them not feel worthy of even 100k subs? This seems more like the Hololive boost got to their heads.
>>86738576HIT ME ON THE GROUND
>>86749058>surpassed my Gozaruok now I'm pissed
>>86742075>will they get two wishes because they're two people?
They will not memory hole their failure of reaching their debut goal by hitting the milestone NOW. It'll remain a failure forever.
>>86749889No they'll have a bras and panties match like the wwf did in the 90s winner gets the right to make the wish. Will be locked under the 100 dollar tier.
>>86749568didn't know her and lui were so close to 1milgreat for them.
>>86749889>having to share one outfit between the two of themIMAGINE
>>86750113i don't watch them much, but they strike me as girls that would totally wish for sleepwear outfits like mori has
>>86743196NTA, but that's the case. Kiara has some antis INSIDE the the whole holo fanbaseI'm not a hater, but i don't like her (Her only good moment was when she made fun of omegatron)>>86748051No, it's okay if isn't Kiara
Who's pussy smell better mococo or fuwawa
>>86738576baused? yeah I agree
They are numberfags who also play part 6 of the least popular sakura wars while refusing to play most fotm games. If they played space marine 2 they'd already have 1 million!
>>86751067>They are numberfags who also play part 6 of the least popular sakura warsThey still wont finish it though
>>86738576Why dont they do English karaokes or ASMR or do other things to gain subscribers organically
They have been begging for months now though
>>86738789Watame demands pit pics every day until they hit 1 mil.
>>86751893*years
>>86751067>space marine 2Isn't that another perms issue? You'd think by this point that Cover staff would be securing perms pre-emptively, just in case a given vidya becomes the FOTM.They certainly don't seem to have this problem on the JP side. Holos always seem to play the next Pokemon or MonHun game on day 1.
>>86738576...Mousey?
>>86752299how much of their income are FWMC donating to charity?
>>86752501Stuffing Mogochan's face with donuts counts as charity
>>86738576>it's ok when the nips do it
>>86753124Speaking of nips, the girls doing karaoke endurance streams for each milestone while everyone was still under 1 million was soulful and fun. The hype train was real and accomplishments were celebrated. Now that hololive is industry juggernaut they pretty much get handed these numbers. Everyone is quaranteed to hit the big 1 mil eventually.
>>86753821>Now that hololive is industry juggernaut they pretty much get handed these numbersConnor was right
>>86738576This is their job, and they are determined to climb the corpo ladder.If you thought this was something they did just for the sake of it, or for the fans, think again lol.
>>86738576Those heckin redditdoggerinos
>>86753857And they hated him for it
>>86738576Consider this.Twitch streamers have subathons where they beg people for *paid* subs then spend half the fucking time sleeping.
>>86738576our JP GODDESSES would NEVER do such a shameless thing.fucking EN whores.
>>86738789at 1M subs cover grants the chuuba 1 free wish (that's within their power) basically.probably want a solo live or something
>>86740301its okay when JP does it, but unironically.
>>86754327well good thing they are JP as well then
>>86742075>"They'll wish to become japanese."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEx3tnjnvcw
>>86738576OH NO NO NO NO REDDIT DOGSRREDDIT DOGS BEGGINGEVEN WHEN THEYRE BEING BOTTED THEY KEEP BEGGINGTHIS IS EMBARRASSING
>>86755287>That wish exceeds my power and cannot be granted farewell.Poof just like that the first holos to be cucked out of a wish the story write itself.
>>86746184>t. would have every housing and job application denied the moment they see the skin tone
>>86741455Why post the dogfucker here?
>>86739738You fags used to say the EN girls didn't have to resort to begging for subs
>>86738789They're hungry puppies. You get a wish when you hit the big MIL. They can get a wish when they do. It took 3 years for Kronii to get to 1 million and nobody else in Promise hit it. They are not going to wait that long. They are so hungry
>>86755961>nobody else in Promise hit itMumei? IRyS?
>>86753857>SpoilerHe's just right because he hasn't been prove wrong yet.It's inevitable, and the irony is the one to prove him wrong will be Mousey when everyone realizes what's up
>>86748051Then why did Watame get a lot of shit for her numberfagging
>>86739192>asking you to tell your friends.>friendsHow do I tell the Baus the sad truth?
>>86738789FBK and I think ReGLOSS mentioned it but apparently it opens up a whole bunch of opportunities inside the company like sponsorships and projects and actually being able to push for something they want to do.
>>86755682It's relevantalso, proof?
>>86738576fine, but what do WE get when they hit 1mil? what makes it worth my time?
Don't both have to get 1m to make it count though, right now they only have a bit under 500k for each dog. Otherwise it's double dipping.
>>86742219Kiara and Fuwamoco are the opposite type of numberfags so it's dumb to compare them. Kiara and Fuwamoco both received backlash for their faggotry and so have JP's in both their types. Kiara is the standard runt numberfag that "woe is me's" about numbers day and night. JP has those too, like Flare for example. It's actually interesting that HoloX's two under 1 million's are about at Fuwamoco's numbers right now and the long-time runt might be the first to one million due to the other's frequent hiatuses. I imagine they will try to hit it at the same time or some shit to avoid normal runt-crying. As for Fuwamoco, they are literally copying Koyori and she gots tons of backlash. I think the reason Fuwamoco can be forgiven more easily than Koyori is because they already failed their actual goal (it was 1 million in one year) and EN subcounts are vastly overinflated, so that even their failed senpai have already reached 1 million. If Fuwamoco had actually achieved their big dream they would have beaten Promise to the goal and been unable to stop themselves from trashing their senpai's legacy (they made celebrating Kronii today about them) but now most of Promise managed to beat them so nobody will care when Fuwamoco blows past them immediatley after hitting a million.
>>86758634They have to share the wish so its daijobu
>>86753857If you measure success by sub counts alone, you're a retard. Vtubers have miniscule subcounts compared to any mainstream channel on youtube. Gura has fucking nothing. And subcounts always get inflated because they don't cull inactive subs. So 1 million becomes less and less impressive. 1 million becomes the floor which is why shit like Regloss or Justice comes off as embarrassing now when in the past those sub counts would have been impressive. It's all about relative subcounts since the subs are being compared within Hololive and not within wider youtube. Mel was an absolute failure in popularity, but just by being the original Hololive talent she had accrued enough dead subs to be two or three years away from 1 million if she hadn't been fired. That's not impressive, that's just how time works in a system like youtube's.
They will never be japanese
>>86759319>Vtubers have miniscule subcounts compared to any mainstream channel on youtubeMainstream channels on Youtube are the top .00001%, getting the post Cover cut revenue off basically any Holo channel still makes you top 1% rich and successful
>>86738576What will they wish for?
>>86738981>t. sleepstream watcher
>wishes for her own channel
>>86749058Honestly nice to see HimeHina still grinding. Kind of like how I like hearing about Cheater Cat from time to time.
>>86757926An extensive psyops campaign designed to weed out future impediments.
>>86739212Who the fuck is Fulgur? I don't watch stars.
>>86743208They aren't EN.
>>86764705Cope
>>86738789At the end of the day, their streams are a means to an end. As much as Ruffians want to cope that fuwamoco really love streaming for them, the only reason they do it is because they have to to get big enough numbers to matter for stuff on the back end. 1 million by their own admission will open a lot more doors to do 'homework' and give them more leverage to get things like sponsorships, connections, and will get them their wish which they can use towards one of multiple of their final goals. They have talked many times about burnout, have talked about basically everyone in Hololive telling them that they should chill just a little, and have thrown it all to the wind because they believe that they need to do as much as possible to get to a sololive. They're basically letting their doomerisms rule their outlook on their future ij Hololive.It has brought them a lot of oppertunities though, because they will never say no to management. Just look at the fact that they somehow got announced for Nendoroids already despite the fact that Kiara's still isn't even colored and Promise got announced a day later. They basically skipped the line because of their popularity and the pressure they put on the back end after doing all of this shit.At the end of the day though, it means their streams take a back seat to things that are more important to them. It's part of the reason why they never play the games they say they really like, because a majority of them are tereible for their numbers. It's also why they put very little effort into their streams and streaming setup. Neither of those things will result in more oppertunities on the back end for homework. Whether or not you care is up to you, as some of their streams still are fun.To close it off, they talked recently in their members stream about how they want to have more oppertunities in the future to bring vtubing/vtubers to the outside world. They sited the Dodgers collab and Marine talking at some big event in Japan as things they dream of doing. They would much rather be idols than streamers, and it reflects in their actions.
>>86738576the doggos doing it doesn't make me want to vomit so it doesn't bug me
>>86738576What's the difference between this and making a stream with a sub counter just before you hit the milestone?
>>86755961Mumei and IRyS both beat kronii to 1 mil months ago
>>86738576Really wondering if they will be content after that considering they actually don't know how many of them are bots
>>86766796They already said in their most recent memstream that 'once you start it's really hard to stop'. I either expect their streams to continue to tilt towards trying to capture more JP audience because they think EN is relatively tapped out, or they'll just slow down in general to give themselves a break while continuing to take on the same amount or more homework. What they used to do, a majority of either 'retro' games or visual novels, is a thing of the past.
>>86766796They won't care. They just want to get to 1 million ASAP so they can get all the benefits it entails. On one hand I find what they're doing very cynical, but on the other I have to respect the hustle.
>>86751067>Play part 6 of Sakura WarsThere's a reason they do them so infrequently. They know that the content is dogshit for anyone outside of the people who really want it and themselves. They've been playing Sakura Wars for a year and White Album for 9 months, which is insane considering both of those take like 30-50 hours of playing to finish.
>>86742075They are already Japanese.
>>86739192>having friendshaha, sure...
>>86739115More than pekora?
>>86765986In a way, it's kind of like Suisei's mindset, the streaming is there to get her brand as a big name singer out.
>>86753821Well duh, the jp girls all built a solid structure together, EN basically set up the lights and the rest of the world finally turned their eyes towards the industry, and they kept the ecosystem going
>>86767543Suisei is not going to throw stones in glass houses there... Other JPs might feel differently.
>>86768489Suisei is honorary Japanese, she can do what she wants.
>>86744546she literally turned off sc's to guilt debbies into buying her shitty music, and I didn't even mention her collab begging
>>86738576>Holo says they're close to 1M subs.fucking greedy bitch.>Vshojo runs an endless subathon/donathon/sleepathon grift.yas slaaaaaay.
>>86767543>suisei
>>86738576cringe
>>86738632Fpbp
>>86738576Absolutely grim. Assvent really didn't do as good as they expected
>>86747380Anon, they deliberately stayed silent when the homos got exibited last holofest knowing too well what where they doing
>>86781459yes because they were courting unicorns retard, not because they actually think boys are icky
>>86781459Yes, because they're>male>3viewsbut his argument was that if homos weren't 3views and could get them to 1m faster then they would've cheered for them despite being males.I personally think that even if homos were 5views they still would've stayed silent because they have their idol ideology and stick to it.
>>86742219Let me give you a quick refresher, KFP. Kiara's unabashed numberfagging was far worse than FWMC. You don't start doing sub milestone celebrations two fucking days after your debut. Now let's add the whining and self-pitying when you fall behind your genmates, during your first few months no less. People rightly built a very poor idea of Kiara.
>>86782793You're not even trying to be genuine anymore.
>>86767543Having extra context, yeah, I can see why Suzy of all the Holos would support such motion.
>>86782793I can let Kiara's numberfaggin slide just because this gig went way better than she expected. Suddenly she has a position that no one else does. And she's not letting it escape from her grasp.
>>86782793>>86758956>FWMC numberbegging now:)>Kiara numberbegging 4 fucking years ago:(Just admit you're biased and a schizo for holding 4 year grudges.
>>86782793Investing in Kiara is probably the safest bet in HoloEN.
>>86738576This is actually a psychological trick and people on youtube shorts and ticktock do the same thing. Even when they are above 1 million people will still subscribe because they feel like they contributed to a milestone after the fact. People think weird.
>>86749058karma honestly for their shit takes in the past. Hololive always growing.
>>86738576On one hand, they're numberfags. On the other, they often play obscure shit that isn't algorithm friendly.
>FWMC want to protect our smiles>want to get rid of things that takes peoples smiles away>only one option>use the 1mil wish>get 1mil subs, get wish granted>wish for Gura to get kicked out of Hololive because she emotionally abuses her fans>Gura gone, chumbuds are now free and can be happy with a new oshi>smile
>>86767543I now believe the Suisei rrat
>>86765986>It's also why they put very little effort into their streams and streaming setup.This is really the biggest thing that bothers me. If they're going to stream, they should do it properly. I hate how their stream layouts are such an afterthought a lot of the time and don't take viewer experience into consideration at all. Like it's almost disrespectful to the whole culture of streaming in a way.
>>86743080they should have never been let into ENabandoned it immediately to grift to JP
>>86765986At this point I buy the rrat that they're being groomed to replace Gura as the face of HoloEN before her graduation.
>>86755961holy retard
>>86743269why do you care so much about how reddit works
>>86784239Just because you don't know how to read doesn't mean you get to reply to posts. That's not what it says at all.
>>86738576It's cringe only when say, a 1k chuuba begs for people to bump her all the way up to a million.Hopeless wish. Even worse if she's really not that good or has no skills besides, average or nice voice.
why do people even like this trannythere is nothing distinguishing about her
>>86792448>Uuuuhhhh fuwamoco good kiara bad
>>86788830They'd never be able to do it. Take the recent gallon meme for example. Gura defused it perfectly and turned it into a minor momentary meme. With Fuwamoco, it'd go something like this:>Mococo, I've lost gallons to you>HAEEEE?>*awkward pause*>Fuwawa starts BAU BAUing to redirect the situation, Mococo joins in a tiny bit later>Okay, Ruffians, next question!
>>86747745What was the one ascending dot for Kronii?
The amount of projection in this thread could run every imax worldwide. Please keep making this containment thread
>>86763466I thought that sounded like a globie name for some reason.
>>86755961actual retard
>>86749956Anon if you don't set goals that are difficult, then they're not really goals and there's no stakes.
>>86738632Okay then don't complain about any other vtuber or youtuber begging for people to subscribe
>>86738576But when iron munchausen does it and calls it a "subathon" it's fine.
>>86796133https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/4LJRNWkF260
>>86738576Funny how Kronii beat them first after anons claimed they'd be the first to hit 1M before Promise. Wonder where they are now?
>>86747877So everyone who disagrees with you is either a phasecuck, a homobeggar, a minister or just a cuck in general? If you can't take criticism then go to your baby corner and cry about it.
>>86738789>>86738789once they hit 1 million, they can use their wish to release the shackles of having to pander to EOPs
>>86799484I don’t? Who are you referencing?
>>86743809Bae yes, Fauna no.Anyone have the EN vertical stream count handy?
They're the fakest members of hololive. Everything is calculated. Also they expected to come in being gura killers and aren't even top of their own gen.
>>86765986>they believe that they need to do as much as possible to get to a sololive.Isn't that a bit absurd?! is Cover being so stupid that one of the factors in having a sololive is having a million subs?>"tell all your friends to sub!"even if a good chunk of those subs were ghosts/not real fans?
>>86738576>reddit
>>86800211Begging for subs on Reddit. That's where they are
>>86745267The answer is in your post, they're desperate to compensate their previous unsuccessful career.
>>86759774>wishes for more wishesfuzzy brain has outsmarte even yago himself...
>>86808391this doesn't make sense.. aside from sen, ALL of En were also unknown/niche on their previous lives, but they didn't do this shit
>>86808649That simply means that they are not desperate unlike FWMC.
>>86765986This is actually a really good summation. Every western vtuber who seems to get it at first always ends up betraying their fanbase. It's ridiculous.
>>86738576Why are they begging on reddit? Shouldn't they do that on japanese websites since they are no longer EN?
>>86784239More like>begging for subs on reddit after initially getting 100k free subs just from joining Hololive in 2024:)>celebrating the milestone of 100k hard earned subs in 2020:(
eww
>>86747302kino
>>86800211They're probably busy making new accounts to mass subscribe.
They're desperate for 1mil because they want to prove themselves the best of the best to the point of self-sabotage. They also don't play well with anyone except each other and are completely unyielding when it comes to their decisions, so in their minds they HAVE to hit 1mil because they've said they're going to do it.Source: I knew them before they were VTubers. They imploded the performer group they were part of because they worked everyone to the point of exhaustion and refused to slow down when asked.
>>86740287>want another gura in the branchanother a myth you mean, even kiara, the poster girls of hard work now takes vacations to rest from her vacations.
>>86738576What's their appeal?
>>86820044bau bau
>>86818578>part ofThey started it>Imploded because they worked everyone to the point of exhaustionIt ended during covid because there was no fucking work to do without live performances being a thingLarp elsewhere, reddit spacing tranny.
>>86755961Least retarded and secondary Ruffian.
>>86820044Mococo is cute, has a funny accent, a feisty personality, and is good at games, Fuwawa is basically just a prop to make Mococo shine, it's probably why they gave her big tits.
>>86811668This but orange woman bad because reasons.
>>86738576Just buy the rest of the fucking subs, you cheap dogs.
>>86824518Their budget ran out because of the lack of support from butthurt EOP watchers turned antis since they moved to Japan.
>>86801405The voices in his head.
>>86792948Yeah they don't have Gura's creativity and boldness.
>>86738576SUBSCRIBE TO ME NOW OR I WILL SEND MY PEDOPHILE FRIENDS TO RAPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
>>86743269kek
I feel bad for Bae always getting trashed in every thread
>>86833186Barely anyone brought her up, what are you on?
>>86738576cringe yeah
>>86738632this
>>86738789Their wish is to become Japanese citizens
>>86738632baused*
>>86788830They will never be able to do it, then. Gura will never not the face of HoloEM and by virtue, vtubing in itself.They won't be able to reach Gura's level of influence unless they turn into completely different people.
>>86849435Anon, people were saying the same shit about Kizuna Ai a few years ago.
your melty is going to be great here in a few days KEK>>86738632fippy bippy
