>>87364734
What happened to niji today. your last thread about michi got deleted. What do you want sister

>>87364734
https://warosu.org/vt/image/mhtg8o0xYyiIINtUn_LKeA

>>87364734
You post to shit on her a few times per week. Why are you so obsessed? There used to be a Luxiem obsessed sister who tweeted the same things at her daily. Was that you?

>>87365704
50% of vshojo antis are chongs who hate them because because they made niji look bad
the other 50% are dudes with no personality outside of being "the 4chan guy" who hate them because nyanners used to be in it

>>87364873
>he thinks kson antis are sisters

>>87365704
You keep track of /vt/ and twitter posts. It's you who is obsessed, brother.

>>87364734
did they manage to get some japs to join with all that talent freedom?

>>87365790
you forgot about the numberfags who are forever shitting and pissing themselves because of ironmouse

>>87364734
i like it, they contain the worst type of vtubers

>>87364873
Kuro basically said fuck you to NDF and sisters

Isn't only Ironmouse of theirs big?

>>87366388
IronMouse is the queen of sleeping streams. The problem is that she's dying any day now. She is very sick. She has been dying any day now for years. But she is very sick and she will die... soon(ish).

>>87364734
When is keison is going to make a lesbian jav with mike?

>>87364734
>When will Vshojo be more than sloppy seconds from other corpos?
never

>>87365834
>Gets found out
>Starts shifting goalpost
AIEEEEE IT'S YOU WHO ARE OBSESSED STOP NOTICING THINGS

>>87366435
Are her anti's just so ESL they geuinely don't know what the difference between chronic and terminal illness is? Otherwise I can't fathom how this "she's faking it" rrat managed to take root aside from general e-schizophrenia.

>>87365830
You can't stop NijiEN from sliding into irrelevance

>>87366388
The ex-organs are happier in VShojo than when they were in Niji.

>>87366169
The numbers thread doesn't give a crap about Twitch streamers because things like raids completely mess up any chance at accurately measuring streams on a day to day basis.
Although I remember some VShojofags arguing that a raid should count as the person's viewership, which was one of the most dishonest arguments I've ever been forced into, so I'm not all that surprised that their thread lives rent free in your head.

>>87369463
Not only is this not an accomplishment, but you've also just completely ignored that anon's actual question, which is about how big the streamers in VShojo actually are these days.
If you're willing to gather that sort of information and talk about it, it might be a worthwhile discussion. But bragging that they're better than Niji is just such a low hurdle to clear that it's not even worthwhile bringing up.

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>>87364734
Sonch is cool, and you suck. Next.

>>87364734
what's with some vtubers using these abysmal baby voices, there's no way she sounds like that irl

>>87364734
Don't worry, anon. I'm sure they're about to make inroads into the Japanese streaming industry any second now.

>>87364734
>sloppy seconds
Imagine thinking that Nijisanji is still worth anything outside Japan

out of the fire and into the frying pan

>>87365790
She's horrible though, only good content is her k1wifarms.

>>87366388
I got bored so I made a quick tally. These are all average viewer figures
Based on the last three months. The only strange data is going to be Henya because her first stream after hiatus is going to have a lot of viewers. These are all averages
Kson: 1200
Hime: 1400
Kuro: 1600
Haruka: 1900 (none in the last three months)
Froot: 1950
Geega: 2100
Melody: 2800
Matara: 3000
Michi: 3200
Zen: 4800
Henya: 5500
Ironmouse: 8700
Obviously it's up to you to decide who counts as big, but those are the averages. I was going to count peaks but Twitch's raid system means that, over the course of a 3 month period, that number is basically irrelevant and not reflective of the actual size of the channel.

>>87370912
Thanks for the list, anon.
I suppose the most shocking one is Kson having the smallest average viewership. I'm assuming these are all Twitch numbers?

>>87370912
the love michi gets is great, I'm happy she's in vshojo. she's too scatterbrained to maintain a career as an indie but way too wild to follow the rules of a corp, so where she is right now is perfect for her

>>87364734
Anyone who says a choice they made has zero cons is on big cope. Everything in life no matter how good has at least one con

>>87364734
When they release the new talents that they got through the audition. Just you wait.

>>87373501
I assume those are better numbers than when she was with Niji? Was it unironically being tied to the Indonesian branch that was nerfing her potential?

>>87374274
>was it the ID tag
It was probably a big factor. Before she starting attaching herself to the EN branch her numbers were very low.

>>87373796
Those new applications really made you mad huh?

>>87374274
I think it was also just being in niji in general that was holding her back. being in ID led to low numbers and being ignored by management which meant she could bend rules, but being in EN with higher numbers means she would have had to deal with managers and coworkers breathing down her neck and limiting what she could do. she spoke about how her relationships with coworkers went down the drain when it was implied by higher ups that her performance was what was keeping the branch alive, she'll roast herself for others she cares about so for her to thrive she needs to be in a place where that situation won't come up

>>87374491
NTA but as someone who was at one point excited about what they might end up doing on the Japanese side, the fact that they still only have 2 Japanese girls (one of which is basically a EN streamer) is pretty disappointing. I guess they're obviously struggling to expand eastwards but unless they pull out an absolute curveball like actually getting Aqua to reincarnate with them, I just don't see it happening.

>>87375533
>expecting a grifter company to do anything fun
lol

>>87375533
it's difficult to find someone that won't feel isolated because to feel like part of the organization the jp talent needs at least henya level english to communicate with everyone. nazuna was crazy for other reasons but I believe her when she said she felt left out and I'm hoping that they keep that in mind for who they've chosen

>>87375533
Good thing they opened applications for new JP members then.

>>87375854
From what I've heard, all of the usual suspects were already rejected. Who exactly are people expecting to join?

JP shit who cares? Go back to /jp/

>>87373501
Isn't she muslim

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>>87364734
>>87364947
now this is sad

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>>87370912
>>87372725
Takes all of 3 seconds to confirm his kson numbers are wrong. She's a 3 view.

>>87375533
Aqua isn't joining vshojo. She fucked off to be a housewife.
It's been almost 2 months. Stop 2 more weeks posting. Fucking vshojofags.

>>87376263
she doesn't talk about it, she's been raised muslim because indonesia but I don't believe she's practising or at least she's certainly not devout

>>87376533
Took me 5 seconds to confirm that you are retarded

>>87376663
man I pity kson if this is what's left of her audience

>>87376533
>>87376663
I said the average was based on the last three months.
The average you're using is for the last month, I'd imagine. In this case, both figures are correct. Kson's average recently is lower than her 3 month average.

>>87376632
being a mulsim means she can't marry anyone outside of her religion

>>87376794
is kuro muslim too?

>>87376533
>Based on the last three months.

>>87376663
>Keksontards are now plain in denial
Wonder what they'll do once she reaches 2 view status.

>>87376621
>vshojofag
I'm not a VShojofag. I'm simply pointing out that without a massive surprise like Aqua, I just don't see how VShojo actually intends to salvage its expansion into the Japanese market.
>She fucked off to be a housewife.
I'm pretty sure she is going to reincarnate at some point, in fairness. But it won't be a big corpo sort of thing. A girl at her age doesn't have nearly enough savings to live on and once you've had a taste of that sort of lifestyle, there's no reason to go away from it entirely. Unless the rrat about Amatsuki pushing her to retire is true, obviously.

>>87364734
>When will the Yankees be more than sloppy seconds for the Scranton RailRiders? It's pretty pathetic at this point.

>>87376833
Keksontards live rent free in your head

>>87376533
>>87376773
additionally I'd call her primary platform youtube, and her average ccv there is a solid 1.5k

>>87376851
she was a high earner in hololive, she can live the rest of her life comfortably

>>87376794
what does this have to do with anything? also again she's not a devout muslim so it doesn't matter

>>87376879
so you're straight up making stuff up now?

>>87376943
you guys use playboard for youtube numbers right? or is there a different site? that's the one I'm looking at, I'm only familiar with twitch and I know that she streams to both but seems to be on youtube slightly more often and that's where the larger japanese audience is

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>>87376879
>Source: my ass

>>87376895
My friend, if you've ever heard the stories of what happen to professional footballers after they retire in their mid 30s, you'd realise how insane this is to propose. And Aqua is far younger than that.

>>87377031
are you seriously comparing western football players to Eastern streamers

>>87377071
In the sense of
>these people who earned a huge amount can easily retire and live off of their savings for the rest of their lives
it's worthwhile throwing up the comparsion, yes. I suppose you could also bring up Rushia, who has been complaining about money, for another example. Or apparently Rica isn't getting a Live2D because it costs a lot? I've no idea what these girls have been getting up to after finishing up at Cover.

>>87377130
Rushia is clinically insane and Rica is clinically retarded, imo it's not a fair comparison

Years later and "people" are still malding about Kson, even the sisters are not this obsessed.

>>87377328
people genuinely pity you delusional fags

>>87376879
boosted by the camgirl flesh streams

>>87376533
retard
lol

>>87369192
they get mad that she sleeps
is there anything else you need to know about their state of mind?

>>87377901
sleeping is fine, sleeping on stream to boost watchtime while autoplaying copyrighted content is not

>>87377015
>screenshot 1 minute after stream starts

>>87377947
oh so you're just a numberfag. makes sense that she makes you seethe

>>87377947
>sleeping on stream to boost watchtime while autoplaying copyrighted content
When did that happen

>>87377947
>copyrighted content
you mean her own VoDs? Or the plastic ducks in a pool game she uses now

>>87364873
do vshitshow fags really think this has to do anything with niji.

>>87378077
they have to throw every cope at the wall until something sticks, they've been having it rough

>>87378077
holochads would never resort to monkey tier tribalism. it's either niji or phase.

>>87378140
Yeah, it's not like /#/ is entirely built on Holo tribalism

>>87378077
It was obviously a holofag deflecting, it's the only the group of people obsessed with Kson like this.

>>87378235
bro you're the ones obsessed with holo

/#/chads, is Adin Ross going to help us or not?

>>87377007
the main vtuber number website is apparently owned by some chinese guy who deleted kson from it lol so they don't even know what numbers she gets

>>87376504
ksonfags are such pathetic newfags
They think a relevant image being posted a couple of times in related threads is some gotcha

>>87378751
yeah again I don't know shit about youtube I was just looking for neutral stats sites that have ccv and that one came up and seemed about right. I did read it wrong though as I looked at peak and not average, it's closer to 1.1k
twitch stuff is easier it's all simple to find on twitchtracker

>>87376813
kuro is a pinoy, pinoys are christians

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>>87378751
Retard. Just because you can't find something from your mud hut doesn't mean it doesn't exist, subhuman.

>>87378751
>conspiracy theory
>thinking all enemies must be chinese
>attributing maliciousness to every enemy action, never merit
>accusing of lack of knowledge while being the most ignorant one of all
>spreading something blatantly wrong in general
Textbook example of a ksonfag.

>>87379587
nah that literally happened. it was probably before you got into vtubers 2 months ago.

>>87378289
You're the ones spamming these threads.

>>87379684
You can see right above that she isn't deleted.

>>87379922
not currently but she was for over a year. also those numbers don't really align with your narrative...

Not even her fans care about her anymore, do you really think chinks still do

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>>87380039
t. picrel

>>87379995
What narrative?

>>87380060
Totally not obsessed btw.

>>87380060
jesus christ kson antis need their meds

>>87379039
>>87380060
you are

>>87364734
if it works it works

>retired after ridiculous career earnings
>gets to be in her favorite game series
>gets to grope several JAV stars and models
>I'm supposed to think she lost
are Kson antis gay? Not judging.

>>87381750
Funny thing is, this thread isn't even about Kson, it's about how pathetic Vshojo is. Kson is propably the the most useless Vshojo member there has ever been.

>>87376504
>>87380060
What causes this level of obsession?

>>87381997
numberfagging

Ex-Holos join Vshojo and fail
Ex.Nijis join Vshojo and succeed
Are Holo girls just not good enough, only carried by the brand?

>>87383592
I mean, a certain Welshman implied that some time ago and some people still seethe at him about it

>>87380888
That's a different image retard.

>>87383592
>>87383691
The actual answer is that VShojo fans don't know Japanese, so they have no interest in actually watching the former Holos.
On top of that, I'd imagine there's a bigger overlap in Niji and VShojo fans than VShojo and Holo. But really you'd need to have a situation where a former EN Holo joins in order to figure it out.
Kson never got particularly high viewership in Hololive either, she was more notable for collabs and high Superchats than anything, though.

>>87384339
>Kson never got particularly high viewership in Hololive either
Coco's viewership was several times higher than kson's and she was capable of going above 10k on strong streams.

>>87384395
I'm not saying that Kson isn't a significant drop from Coco, but it is true that Coco wasn't known for her CCV. I'd imagine that Kson is still getting a lot more donations per viewer than most of the other VShojo girls, though.
I'm pretty sure her average was closer to 3.5k-4k, obviously higher than Kson's current, but nowhere near the girls pulling 10k+ on the regular.
>and she was capable of going above 10k on strong streams.
Wasn't Kson also capable of that, at least up until last year? Obviously I don't know what she's even been doing these days, but I assume it's been a while since she hit that level.

>>87381997
Terminal corpodrone disorder.

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>>87384520
and this is far from her best

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Coco was a powerhouse and anyone who claims otherwise is a retard. Yes, her floor was low but she had a lot of streams above 10k, 20k and much more. And that was 4 years ago.

wow noombers

>>87383691
he was right but they hate hearing it because they can't accept that corpo big number isn't proportional to skill and talent when comparing against indies

>>87386969
Conor is quite literally the least talented of the Trash Taste boys, so he has absolutely no leg to stand on, though.

>>87387053
why does that matter at all, it doesn't make what he said less true he just had less to lose at the time by saying it

>>87383592
>indie ex-Holos fail (Rica)
>indie ex-Nijis succeed (Mint, Doki, Sayu)
I'm seeing a pattern here, it's as if most Holodrones don't actually care about their vtubers and only love the brand, the number of true fans can be counted in the low 3 digits.

>>87387279
The reason he's so full of shit is that the first few generations of Holo weren't particularly big. Look at Sora, who considered being able to stream to double digits for the first time a massive success.
You can turn around and say that the people who end up joining Hololive now are guaranteed success but what he actually did was shit on the people who helped paved the way for Vtubing and helped it grow into what it is now.
>why does that matter at all
Because it makes it sound like sour grapes rather than an actual statement. This is the same group who were complaining about Momosuzu Nene being voted highly in some "female influencers we look up to" poll because she might cause "unhealthy beauty standards for girls"

>>87387467
It's definitely dishonest using Mel of all people for that considering she was among the least popular Holos and actually had quite a lot of antis on the JP side due to her side gig as Rica at the time.

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>>87387467
>indie ex-Nijis succeed
I am forgotten

>>87387467
What was Kuro's old CCV? His average in VShojo nowadays is 1400.

>>87388162
>male

>>87388350
It's lower, though he did put in effort to purge the toxic parts of his former fanbase (which was supposedly even harassing his friends)

>>87388350
For a while he was the strongest in Niji EN. Easy 4k streams varying wildly into 5view with buff streams.

>>87388350
Despite the catalog constantly focusing around Vox he was basically neck and neck with Mysta at Luxiem's peak. Difference is that Kuro recognized quicker that the fame and fortune that came with being that big of a fucking deal didn't matter if his own fanbase made both him and his relationships with his friends miserable. Didn't help that some of the people he connected with most quickly outside of his own gen were Nina, who was notorious for being hated on by Niji's fanbase, and Mika, who was just kind of doing her own thing until her close proximity to him got her doxed and harassed. So he set out to intentionally purge his fanbase of the overly parasocial fujos that had infested it and he did a good job since by the end of his time at Niji I'm fairly certain he was the weakest Luxiem member. But he was happier with his smaller and less schizo fanbase, and he's even happier now that he's out of there entirely. Literally just yesterday he gave a fresh fuck you to those people he purged from his fanbase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I36ZIEKNcSo

>>87389636
You mean big number doesn't mean happiness? But Gatsbylive told me...

>>87388350
Much higher than it currently is now. At his peak, it was easily 8k+, with five digits for any special events or collabs.

The current CCV is due to the following-

1. He was seen as a traitor by a lot of his former fans. There's a lot of tribalists in the Nijisanji fanbase. Before the Doki fiasco, he (as Kuro) was their favorite punching bag. The Nijisanji fanbase is also more used to YouTube streaming and many were put off by the change in platform and longer and chiller style of streaming.

2. The edgy, generic undead model was a stark difference from his Mysta model.

3. He intentionally took steps to weed out the more toxic and parasocial fans by setting clear boundaries from the get-go.

4. He didn't gain many new viewers from the VShojo community unlike Michi and Mata because he's a male vtuber.

5. He decided to take things slow when he debuted to give himself a break after his time in Niji. He barely networked or did exciting things unlike currently more successful but less entertaining male vtubers such as Shoto.

6. He frequently took breaks and cancelled streams. When viewers are let down this often with no shows, they eventually move on to other things.

Now after his 1 year anniversary and finally paying off the taxes that were weighing him down, he got a new model and aims to be more consistent again.