holotubing will be dead in 5 years
>>88230122better than fauna
>>88230122Not dead, but when Gura leaves expect a massive shift especially if she redebuts somewhere else
>>88230122I remember seeing these threads in 2021 when kson fucked off.Kson was much much bigger than her. Look at her now.
>>88230122i can already tell this image is going to be posted a lot
>>88230122two more weeks
>>88230703Doobfags will be butthurt about the grudgeposting even though they're asking for it.
>>88230200please don't associate her with kson and jinx it, don't want her to suffer the same fate.
>>88230163>but when Gura leavesI love how liggers and sisters even admit you need hololive to become popular in the first place, then you have to try and keep that audience when you leave. Sure didn't work for Kson or Mike the cat.
>>88230200Kson fucked back to Japan ignoring eops
>>88230799You guys are the ones tempting fate by repeating 2021. We go through this song and dance everytime a holo returns and it never ends well form them.
Looks fine to me.
>>88230122>Holo vs Holo Affiliate threaddo liggers not realize that she's still getting money from Holo or are they just dumb?
>>88230969I like how they actually believe doob will kill Hololive when two other members that were way more popular than her became irrelevant.
>>88230703cover antis are eating good this week
>>88230969My hero.
>>88230122Enjoy sitting through 2 hours of #sponsored #ad slop every stream while we enjoy real vtubing
>>88230122give me that template OP
>>88230200Kson massively pivoted her content and downgraded to an incredibly bland model that she barely used after being PEAK SEX as Coco. Vtuber fans want vtubing, and it's no surprise only her hardcores stuck around when she started doing something completely different. Dooby has a base of vtuber fans, and has only indicated that she plans on continuing to stream in a manner familiar to her fanbase. I wasn't surprised that Kson's numbers shrank, I'd be very surprised if Dooby doesn't stay 4view sometimes 5, like most holoEN talent are doing right now
>>88230122wow the remaining doobmates are as creative as their oshi herself
Brown thread
>>88230998Sisters/Phasecucks/Liggers are sending their best. Unfortunately this is all it amounts to.
>>88231185Go wild.
>>88231579nice
>>882312185 views ?! That is too generous. the thing about indies is there is nothing exciting to look forward to, as much as people hate corpo forced events it is something that keeps the viewer engaged.
>>88231475>Phase mention unprompted RENTFREE
>>88230969
>>88230122kek they are actually leaving hololive because of the shit corporate bullshit
It won't but they're shifting their focus to music and events, gaming streams are a pain for management and not very profitable. EnReco in holoearth is how I imagine their future content
I think corpos will always be around as the 'baby's first vtuber' bracket. Discovering indies is a part of the growing process for everybody.
>>88230122All soulless slop must perish
>>88232011BASED
>>88231579Why not
>>88232011>All soulless slop must perish>posts slop chuuba from slop corpoWhat did anon mean by this?
she is still in Holo OP, only on hiatus
>>88231887That's been the case since 2022. Like Disney, Pokemon or Lol (in the west) their main product is not where the money is at, streams are the entry point, new audience is hooked by them, and that same audience is gonna become loyal, a loyal audience buys holo merch, goes to holo concerts, buys holo manga, watches holo anime, plays holo games, goes to holo team parks, listens to holo music and the more they do the more is easy for a new different audience to be hooked not by their main product. It's a pretty good business model, they just need to remember that it all starts with streaming. Cover is the golden standard and will never sink as long as they remember that, there is not a single indie or corpo at the same level in the world and they will never reach the level Cover is at the moment.
>>88232011I genuinely cannot remember or think of a single accomplishment or achievement Panko had
Hololive is still going strong in Japan. Holotubing, as in vtubing influenced by Hololive culture, will continue going strong and expand in Western markets. HoloEN will die because they're pandering to the nips too much.
>>88232502Well of course not silly, you dont watch her
I don't like vtubersI just like Holomem...
>>88232011Holocuck falseflag.
>>88232011i fucking kneel
Holy shit the catalog is retarded today, literally 20 dooby bait threads.
>>88233254Did you really think sisters wouldn't deflect from a suspension and graduation
>>88232011YouTube and Twitch are in such sorry states...Twitch has such strict laws for vtubers like its shariah controlled, keep covered up no cleavage on your model. Amouranth you're fine, keep doing those bikini streams.Youtube is just 1984, you say any wrong think and the AI moderation strikes you, then combs over all of your other content looking for anything to strikebetter off on kick or rumble at this point >shill! paid shill!no just keep seeing it happen. Nyanners laughs at a video? suspended. Amouranth shills her only fans and does an intentional nip slip? 3 day ban. 2 days for good behavior. Actually make that 2 seconds , but don't do it again! unless you just want to. Hold on a vtuber showed their hips like a whore 1 week banYoutube is run by an AI that seeks out any and all wrong think that doesn't go with the status quo and twitch mods are incredibly corrupt, but no one can do anything about it.
>>88233285Probably the same 2-3 retards spamming them as well. Shit's just sad.
>>88230200Doob is doubling down on what people liked about her before (it felt just like her previous persona but with better 3D), unlike Kson, who completely pivoted.
>>88233285Its because of their big "ENReco at home" project flopped. Sisters don't really care about Vivi or that other guy.
>>88230969The protagonist.
>>88230799what fate? the fate of having 700k $ a year?
>>88231720only vtuber hater and phasefag are this hungry for drama.
And what, if anything, will take its place?
>>88231075Aqua is back too, baka
>>88230870I feel like it didn't help that they did a massive shift content wise, or had frequent menhera meltys in Mike case. I'm interested to see what Dooby or Onion will do for their streams now.
>>882301222 more weeks sister
>>88231700connections and friendship are also a big part of corporate vtubing, turning a series of disconnected streams into a storyeven many indies try to copy that with shared minecraft servers and the likemany people fell into the rabbit-hole because of a clip of the girls being sweet to each otherand there is also natural cross-pollination; if a vtuber you kinda likes collabs with someone interesting you follow that someoneDooby being a natural loner will have very little of that
>>88230122Nijisister had to copy my oc this what being Philippino like you and not having any originality looks like.
>>88234999Since I can't add two here's one of the op
>>88230122>leaving hololive to speak one sentence of spanishBravo
>>88231076>cover antisMore like hololive antis. These people never gave a fuck about Cover, they just loathe the girls and their popularity and will try to spin anything mildly controversial that's remotely related to them as the end of the world. Funnily enough a lot of them are fans of the homos, so make of it what you will.
>>88230163Shitpost or not, i actually want that. Not because im a little asshole who likes to see things burn but because im getting sick of the way overdone idol slop. A little singing and dancing here and there isnt a problem but months without streams because everyone has to be in japan for stupid shit that ends up being behind a paywall is rediculous.The merch got out of hand too, theres just way to much shilling nowadays. Cover needs to change a few things to not piss more girls off.(A few are just lazy tho, that will never change)
>>88230122>5 more years
>>88230163The only things keeping Gura relevant are merch and 3D performances, and she can't do either without Cover doing the behind-the-scenes work for her.
>>88235505>hololive fan hates hololive for being hololiveHow does it feel to be a massive retard?
>>88230163What makes you think Gura will stream even if she leaves?
>>88235505This is getting embarrassing
>>88230921She was always a JP vtuber.
>>88235505>watches hololive>"I'm sick oh idols"Why are you watching a idol company then? Go consume shit in some other corpo nobody gives a fuck about your input
>>88236017What about the streamers, sorry, talents themselves want? Not everyone in Hololive wants to be a song and dance idol with a burning passion. Not to mention the restrictions of keeping a clean image and permission hell. So like they should just leave right?
>>88230998>redditor still inhaling copium lmao
>>88235910>>88235959>>88236017Way to miss my point, you retards. Do you want to deny that its just too much now? Fine if you like it but i prefer my oshi to stream a little bit more.
>>88232557Her fans don't seem have anything to say about that either
>>88232011based PankoBVLL
Dooby said this on her stream>I start the stream for an hour, we mess around, we talk, we hang out, we swing on the monkey bars and then, I'm like, you know what guys? I feel like playing Osu. We're gonna play Osu for 15 minutes. And then we're gonna play this really cool popular game for a little bit and then we're gonna play Dofus and we're gonna sign up all together for a Dofus MMORPG account for like 30 minutes and then we're never gonna play it again and then we're gonna play Counter Strike for 5 hours. How does that sound?Remember when Fauna tried doing this and then got told to stop immediately after her first attempt? Makes you think. Maybe management should listen to the vtubers more and stop demotivating them.
>>88232502Shes the only non-Holo that i watch, this counts as an accomplishment.
>>88236324what's stopping them from doing this? literally just corpo autism? imagining fauna doing this would be really awesome
>>88236324its a youtube thing retard
>>88236385?????????????????????????
>>88236363>what's stopping them from doing this? literally just corpo autism?Yes. Muh perms.They have to work in this draconic way that cover decided on years ago to be stubborn about after the takedowns. They JUST HAVE TO.
>>88236400even for indie like Doki or Mint , 1 game = stream on youtube.
>>88236492 (me)1 game = 1 stream
>>88236083You are a genuine clinically diagnosed retard>Oh hey this is a IDOL COMPANY that focuses on making people BECOME IDOLS i'm going to join it and become a irl twitch whoreI am a even bigger retard for replying to you
>>88230122Funny how teamates hate Hololive now, weird
>>88236083Trying to hard, nijifriend.>>88236176Your point is that you got tired of what makes hololive hololive. Unless you started watching them back in 2018 you have no right to complain about the idol content which a bunch of the girls literally applied to the agency to be part of. Also the merch part just comes with the size of the company and it's inevitable since it's insane to think Cover will want to stay small forever, but this isn't even a huge problem because they don't throw everything into the laps of the more popular members and actually spread those opportunities with all the girls and if anyone was getting tired of it they would've left a long time ago (like what Aqua allegedly did, tho her decision was criticized by a bunch of the JP holomem). In summary you want a small corpo/indie feel that you'll never find within hololive.>>88236433Yeah, let's risk another channel's takedown like how it almost happened back in 2020 because it's impossible to just make two separate streams back to back.
>>88236663/vt/ is not just about idol culture, it's about streamer culture tooCope and seetheThis isn't /hlg/
>>88230122Cover collapsing would make the industry collapse
>>88236697Who the fuck is talking about /vt/? You are inventing replies in your head and imaginary people
>>88236692>because it's impossible to just make two separate streams back to back.It's obviously a million times more inflexible, you retard. Needing to do a schedule in advance for every game you want to play isn't the same as just being able to freeform it.Cover is just stubborn
>>88230122Holy shit indie is the future! Holoseethe!!!
>>88236692Started watching holo somewhere in 2019. I dont complain about Idol stuff, i complain about TOO MUCH idol stuff at the cost of normal streams.
>>88232011Don't forgot who owned phase.
>>88233254It's just confirmed they hate hololive more than cover.
>>88230122Wrong. The most influential indies and other-corpos all serve Cover's interests by sabotaging their rivals and speaking well of their Holo friends. Cover's sphere of influence extends outside the blue dorito.
>>8823666390% of Hololive content is normal streams. When they keep dragging people across the ocean for 10min of content in some live don't be surprised streamers are getting tired of it. Hell even some JP ones are getting tried of studio shit.
>>88236860Just wait for Aqua comeback LOL. It's going to get so much worse.
>>88236324Ame used to do amedly streams like these until they told her to cut it off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4fol47EM50
>>88236824>washed up old has-beenlmao
>>88236941That should be a generation idea off the gate with those talents. I would watch it if cover had the balls to try it. It would definitely be competition for Advent.
>>88236176You’re right, even the Japanese fans think the same.
Why would you want /less/ idol stuff? It's precisely what I like about Hololive. Really, what exactly would these girls have as an edge, or really what does any gameplay vtuber have as an edge over big twitch streamers that are more entertaining and more skilled?Holo, VSPO, and hell even NijiJP are able to compete because of the box appeal.In Holo the draw for me is the idolshit, the collabs, the variety segment streams, the interactions between the talents and the evolving narrative that we as viewers also become a part of.I greatly appreciate Kaela for what she brings to collabs and her interactions with other talents, but I rarely if ever tune into her 16 hour lidl game autismfests. Why the fuck wouldn't I watch fleshtubers on twitch for that sort of content instead?With regard to indies, and relating to the vtubing vs wrestling metaphor, sure I could enjoy watching some dudes in a backyard doing indie wrestling, and shit would probably be fun, but the dimes and narratives and audience interaction you have in big acts like WWE or NJPW or AEW is what makes shit special to me.Ironically Dooby herself has it right in her discord rules. You really ought to just treat vtubing as entertainment instead of going too gachikoi. I also don't understand why shitposters seem to anti Cover, the only real reason I can think of for them to hate them is cause of their numbers
>>88231075I wouldn't say irrelevant. She will likely average 3-6K CCV like she did in Hololive, and be in the top 100 VTubers Globally any given Month like when she was in Hololive as well.That aside, this doesn't harm Hololive at all and these treads are all made by SEA retards and Niji-fags.
>>88237229>It's precisely what I like about HololiveYou're the minority on this
>>88237452if that was the case holofes shows, expo and sololives would fail
>>88236083>Not everyone in Hololive wants to be a song and dance idolWhy join hololive if you don't want to do the idol part of it and instead just stream games?You can do that in every single other corp from niji to phase to pixel to vshojo to vspo to v4mirai etc. So why apply to the one that puts some emphasis on idol and event stuff and performances too?
>>88237452not reallydidn't you just see Miko's sololive a few hours ago?the idol appeal is a huge part of it.If gameplay was what I or what most of the jp audience wanted then the fps and kakuge tantou holos would have better numbers than the variety holos but they don't, and really they'd not watch Hololive in the first place if they wanted that content anyway. There's tons of options to choose from between the nico roujins on twitch, kronoir from niji, the entirety of VSPO, etc.It's also why perms are just cope, especially when holorisu could enjoy a holo dig a hole in minecraft for three hours
>>88237452Absolutely not, just see the success of sololives, 3D concerts or holofes etc. There are like 999 groups out there for people who don't care about idol stuff, people who don't like it will just watch anything else and not hololive.
She'll be doing a World of Warships shill stream within 6 months.
>>88236324adhd streaming
>if you watch hololive for idols you are the minorityThats a pretty big minority then considering that minority fills entire stadiums on concerts
I never cared about Idol stuff, or streamers for that matter. Hololive (specifically my oshi) made me care.
We're reaching level of drooling that shouldn't be possible. I urge everyone sane to leave this thread, lest run the risk of catching whatever is causing this.
>>88233254hololive was always at war with ame
>>88230122If Cover doesn't do anything to kill Vshojo, Phase Connect, and the other healthy corpos, it will be less than five years. Poaching someone from Phase, like Panko or Eimi, would be the best move right now.
>>88231218Anon if Filian only hits 5view for big events then theres not shot dooby is an ocasional 5view, pure dellusion
>>88232502She has a confimed boyfriend, that can count as an accomplishment
>>88239660Yeah, me
I can't keep doing thisthis board is the biggest case of retards ever
>>88239660Maybe she had and it's not even confirmed, now it's a big X if you ask me
>>88230122it will be amazing if they still at the peak of vtubing in 5 years
>>88238686this board has retards who shill 2 views every day, do you seriously think that they give a fuck about idol stuff?
>>88230122It's dead now.Aqua is gone so there's no reason care about them, not that I ever cared about the group itself. There's Kanata ... buttttt who wants to watch her? She sucks at games and acts childish and immature. Should just quit holo and be a full time idol.
Pic related is the future of vtubing companies in the west. Holo and Niji are going to still thrive in Japan though. I feel like they're not open to indies like we are.
>>88240668>Ross too busy saving videogames to make the movie
>>88236943i too would be frustrated if my boss spent 50 quinjillion dollars building the most advanced studiot in the world, only problem is that he only built one the size of 12
>>88236943>When they keep dragging people across the ocean for 10min of content in some live don't be surprised streamers are getting tired of it.Then they should voucher for an LA/NYC studio, because it would be 1000 times better than flying them to japan.
>>88236083Well, Fauna doesn't do any idol reps and she is fine. If they don't want to sing or dance they can avoid it.
>>88239407Panko would easily be the new Gura if they hired her, without the covid buff, but still very successful.
>>88239407>If Cover doesn't do anything to kill Vshojo, Phase Connect, and the other healthy corpos, it will be less than five years.Vtubing is not a console war
>>88241475I wish you were right, but it is.
>>88241524it isn't. none of the girls hate each other and I doubt they would do that type of petty crap.
I'll follow my oshi wherever she goes, but right now that's hololive. I never really watched much of Ame and I'll wait and see what Aqua does. Vtubing will probably continue to shrink, but that will hurt indies more than corps.
>>88240184No the email and username ended up matching, that valorant pro in the screenshot was or is dating her.
>>88241440Panko has her unique personality and vibe, but I get what you mean and I totally agree. I realized I was parasocial for Panko months ago and tried to detach from her by looking for someone with a similar vibe as her but I really couldn't. I don't even know what it is but she has that genuine and silly vibe to her that no one can replicate, and holo is definitely lacking that at the moment, plus she's an insane singer and I love the contrast between her personality and her talent.
>>88230122holotubing is vtubing aka just your normal vtuber you retard
>>88241897>valorantPanko doesn't even play that shit and we have her riot username.Maybe stop believing retards on kiwifarms.
>>88241440>>88241932>Anti Holo thread eventually leads into phase shilling like fucking clockwork
>>88242187I just like Panko!
>>88230122maybe they wouldn't be having so much trouble if they didn't have to wait for fax machines
>>88236824>Send phasegroids into an atomic level meltyBASED>>88237047But enough about Pipkin Pippa from Phase Cucknet
>>88231075>>88230969Look at those mindless NPCs
>>88239407This gotta be a falseflagger. No one is this retarded.
>>88243974anon is right, that's a reasonable move to make right now
>>88243974>he says in the thread full of sub 5 IQ chimps.
>>88243534Look at all those fans with money. And they bought merch as well. And that doesn't even include streaming sales.
>Corpo turns indie>Is now free to say and act how they please, stream what they want and have chats that aren't spammed so hard, they can't read what people are saying to them. >"Um... well their numbers are less, so they're a failure" I think it's silly to want corpo to die, but its fans need to practice having a soul.
>>88236692>like what Aqua allegedly did, tho her decision was criticized by a bunch of the JP holomemQRD?
>>88235197Why are holostars always grouped in these images when they work for Cover?
>>88244328They are still mindbroken by that one vshojo ad
>>882301225 years is an eternity in vtubing time, literally anything could happen.
>>88245160nah its funny to mock the talent freedom ad
how long until her streams are react content?
Has she mentioned why she left?
Troll thread pandemic.
>>88230122
>>88230122I can see it for EN but JP will continue like nothing happened.
>>88230122Joining a corpo, quitting, going back to indie and claiming now you're free from their evilbad restrictions is the current vtuber metaThe success of several literally who exNijis has already proven the formula works
>>88254016EN always was like a sinking ship because the idol association would never work as well as it does in JP. EN always did prefer twitch whoring over idol shit. Funny how it has stayed half afloat for this long.
this time for sure
2 more weeks
>>88240176Don't forget, you're here forever.
>>88230122Hololive will be fine, they're too big to fail at this point.
>>88230122Nah, we're gonna have another quasi-coof lockdown or WW3 happen in the next couple of years.
Wait, whats her real name? It isnt exactly breaking the rules to reveal it at this point sonce she literally revealed it at this point
>>88265518Jeffery Epstein
