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>>88249883
*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holosongs.com/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/
>https://streamscharts.com/

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https://x.com/AnanOnel/status/1850186932598231236

>>88249848
>Mori's music aimed at a pretty specific niche and she established herself in said niche, but from normalfag perspective it mainly brought negative association
that cover hasnt actively sought out indie pop/rock or metal girls is beyond me, its like they do not want to grow

>>88249883
https://youtu.be/MmmDh22YQr0
CHANGE
bake a new one
this one's rotten

>>88249759
I double-clicked the 1 there, it was 15 minutes (and I think I'm still exaggerating), but it was still pretty funny just how into it she was

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>the power of the front page of twitch
Do we have any other examples of literally whos getting front page?
How long does the buff stay after?

>>88249925
Oh, that's near by. Maybe I'll go check it out.

>>88249996
>How long does the buff stay after?
It disappears as soon as they leave the front page

>>88249932
>>88249848
>>88249857
>>88249681
>Mori said it best in japan vtubers are a really big deal but elsewhere they laugh at the idea of vtubers and not worth the hassle of trying for that market.
After the Dodger collab, and I hate to say it, IM surpassing Kai, do >we still maintain this option?
Also, something that has been brought up multiple times:
Do >we even want that much normies present in the first place?
Because the more normies this hobby attract, the more it will be forcefully changed
We've already seen this effect with the Selen debacle toppling one of the most basic of Vtuber etiquette
>No PL
And now we have people posting Aqua and Ame's PL left and right, both /here/ and other places

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my wife

>>88249666
I mean, yeah, but I'm talking about her having a funny moment being detracting with fujo talk mixed in. If someone is witty, their wit isn't going to show exclusively when their normie filter traits are showing.
>>88249720
Fauna arguably sounds cartoonier than half of EN and Gura sounds like a 12 year old boy. Also, remember FRED? Talking Orange? Normies don't care about how someone sounds as long as their delivery isn't off putting.

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>>88249996
It's not really a buff past the point of being on front page.

>>88249932
So true, all of these [insert my favorite specific music genre here] vtubers are so successful, the future of vtubing is not talented entertainers it's a girl who shits out solo metal songs every month or so

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>ReGLOSS 3D Live Reach the Top
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIYvks57cQA
>1st Album "ReGLOSS"
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1833478041307385980
>Feeling Gradation *new*
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=u4uDiV3u-do

>セプテンバーさん / September-san (cover) *new*
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQ-npgd2Ok
>快晴 / Kaisei (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=YA7QcvdHk70
>青と夏 / Ao To Natsu (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=FnAk_ZGfvdw
>青のすみか / Ao no Sumika (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=efF_c9D-R-A
>Bling-Bang-Bang-Born (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDysagoQw0
>奏 / Kanade (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=VT1on_WaMzw
>My Dearest (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=oxZeLM9rx7s
>DAYBREAK FRONTLINE (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=BWexRFqs3Wg
>名前のない怪物 / Namae No Nai Kaibutsu (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZfAdZuaok

>Shunkan Heartbeat Otonose Kanade SOLO ver.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRwOG06UtI
>カバー曲 / Cover Songs
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6qjLH_5VIDUEA7yBOKxdRPdI4vYmL-dR
>歌まとめ / All Songs
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6qjLH_5VIDUogkBSe9WqTU0X1ia7xi_1

>>88249996
It's happened a bunch, and it doesn't stay at all. it's basically "make a wish" for streamers. Just because you get to toss a pitch in Orioles training camp doesn't mean you're gonna be on the team.

>>88249925
hololive (and vtubing as a whole) seems to have pretty much taken over the weeb side of the internet.
>cons have straight up said they were dying until they started inviting vtubers which saved the conventions
>anime is stagnant and became a vehicle for seasonal isekai slop plus the japanese are retarded and only know how to measure success by bluray sales

>>88249996
>How long does the buff stay after?
about 0.0 seconds after they get pulled

>>88249681
mori is not even close to being on par with gura when it comes to streaming ability. Gura isor was far more quick witted and more engaging with chat than mori is

>>88250045
>Fauna arguably sounds cartoonier than half of EN
Fauna talks completely normally with a higher pitch than usual, not that that isn't true for most of EN but obviously you can't compare her to actual JP style kayfabe chuubas like FWMC and Biboo

>>88250023
>IM surpassing Kai
She's been top subbed on twitch before, nobody actually cares longterm because its a subathon, it's just used to make articles and shitposts

>>88250054
holy strawman
take a chill pill

>>88250023
the Dodgers collab was an interesting occurrence, but I'd say it doesn't really affect that much, especially considering it wouldn't be the first time Gura was put in front of a more mainstream audience without the position of vtubing in the West shifting much (i.e. Taco Bell sponsorship)
the IM thing is similarly not that impactful, the wallets of the vtuber fanbase are proven deep, but that negro has like 80-100k people watching him every other day, it's basically the rift between Shiori and Pekora

>>88249996
usually 1hr, unless youre the dying ironmouse

>>88250023
>IM surpassing Kai, do >we still maintain this option?
I’m not following. 50% of it going to charity plus twitch matching a percentage of the subs made if an “apples to oranges” comparison

>>88250046
To be fair, half of those were raided in and just had whatever stream they came from opened in a muted tab.
Raids REALLY should be opt-in rather than opt-out
>>88250121 >>88250068 >>88250052 >>88250280
Low-key just sad lol

>>88250046
if you told me that was a 3view chat i wouldnt argue against it

>>88250023
Some people have a more extreme view of what a normie is than I do.
A normie would want the experience that the hardcore fan would want but it would just be in a casual way.
They wouldn't be on websites discussing vtubers, looking at fanart or anything but they would at least want it to be the best version of itself when they decide to tune in.
Normies were last told about vtubers years ago, they probably forgot they existed by now and are distracted by the million other things that can get your attention.
Youtube has changed the algorithm and fucked with viewership so much. I'll never think anything other than it was because they felt it would become too big.

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This is my wife btw

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>>88250046

OCTOBER 2024 GOLD
>1) 122,380: Ame (Hololive) Final stream [19]
>2) 57,651: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator [27]
>3) 32,628: Pekora (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator [20]
>4) 50,864: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator [19]
>5) 117,346: Fubuki (Hololive) 3D LIVE Bday [32]
>6) 77,935: Marine (Hololive) Clubhouse 51 w/ Ui-mama [31]
>7) 85,290: Pekora (Hololive) PekoMari GAY stream [29]
>8) 59,253: Pekora (Hololive) ShioPeko drinking + psyche test [23]
>9) 66,875: Pekora (Hololive) Offcollab NoePeko [21]
>10) 67,925: Luna (Hololive) 3D LIVE Bday [18]
>11) 100,983: Pekora (Hololive) holomem personal items auction [15]
>12) 69,958: Kuzuha (Nijisanji) New 3D [23]
>13) 75,335: Mio (Hololive) Inside Marine's head [30]
>14) 76,602: Botan (Hololive) Shishiro Cup 2nd Day2 STREET FIGHTER 6 [17]
>15) 41,279: Subaru (Hololive) SubaOka Fushigi no dungeon 2 [18]
>16) 52,895: Nijisanji (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Master Duel 2024 tournament [20]
>17) 71,209: Pekora (Hololive) Gen3 SUPER MARIO PARTY [14]
>18) 44,406: Kagami (Nijisanji) Yu-Gi-Oh! Beginner's Course [16]
>19) 160,447: Nijisanji (Nijisanji) New 3D studio debut [23]
>20) 98,883: Lui (Hololive) holoDTB tournament [29]
>21) 45,811: Pekora (Hololive) Hololive OCG unboxing [19]
>22) 89,909: Miko (Hololive) Liar’s Bar w/FBK, Korone, Kanata [25]
>23) 51,441: Miko (Hololive) Liar’s Bar [26]
>24) 58,589: Okayu (Hololive) Mario Party w/Subaru, Mio, Towa [18]
>25) 69,474: Marine (Hololive) 3D karaoke w/Flare, Noel, Pekora [17]
>26) 73,347: Miko (Hololive) 1st sololive free part [24]


> PER COMPANY
22x: Hololive
4x: Nijisanji

> PER STREAMER
7x: Pekora
5x: Miko
2x: Nijisanji, Marine
1x: Ame, Fubuki, Luna, Kuzuha, Mio, Botan, Subaru, Kagami, Lui, Okayu

DORYA

>>88250157
>Fauna talks completely normally with a higher pitch than usual
That's why I'm saying it's delivery that matters, not the voice itself (within reason). Listen to Filian for example. Her voice isn't pleasant to listen to, yet her confident and rapid delivery makes you not notice.

>>88249996
this is better than youtube algorithm ngl

>>88250023
rm discussion after graduation isn't really something that can be stopped or even all that new. It happened with Coco, Sana, that faggot from NijiEN. It's been happening for quite a while. Pretty much every Graduate and termination of note. I can't think of anyone post 2020 graduating and not getting their rm discussed openly just about everywhere.

>>88250399
>Listen to Filian for example
Hard pass

>>88250387
OCTOBER 2024 SILVER
>1) 79,262: Korone (Hololive) Bday + Gyakutotsu + New outfit
>2) 37,935: Ex Albio (Nijisanji) NIJISANJI Extreme Match / VALORANT
>3) 28,681: Subaru (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>4) 45,788: Miko (Hololive) Holomem family tree + announcement
>5) 42,849: Fuwa (Nijisanji) 1Mil sub gyakutotsu
>6) 54,572: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>7) 44,511: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>8) 52,966: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>9) 53,633: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>10) 59,994: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>11) 63,267: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>12) 65,001: Pekora (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator KanaPeko
>13) 60,797: Botan (Hololive) Shishiro Cup 2nd Day1 STREET FIGHTER 6
>14) 50,007: Miko (Hololive) Fubumiko HP sponsorship
>15) 33,167: Pekora (Hololive) Soccer Watchalong Japan vs Australia
>16) 44,525: Ao (Hololive) Ikemen karuta w/ Marine, Miko, Suisei, Iroha
>17) 29,060: Okayu (Hololive) Important Announcement
>18) 42,653: Miko (Hololive) Kinki Spiritual Affairs Bureau
>19) 69,751: Koyori (Hololive) Hololive Koushien 2024 draft w/Kanata, Ririka, and AZKi
>20) 51,334: Kuzuha (Nijisanji) Blazing Sails
>21) 38,273: Koyori (Hololive) Hololive Koushien 2024 Power Pros
>22) 37,767: Shigure Ui (Indie) 2 million subscriber endurance stream
>23) 39,402: Oriens (Nijisanji) new merch announcement
>24) 40,907: Kanata (Hololive) Hololive Koushien 2024 Power Pros
>25) 52,851: Miko (Hololive) Pre Sololive Totsu
>26) 32,652: Koyori (Hololive) HoloKoushien 2024


> PER COMPANY
21x: Hololive
4x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

> PER STREAMER
10x: Miko
3x: Koyori
1x: Korone, Ex Albio, Subaru, Fuwa, Pekora, Botan, Pekora, Ao, Okayu, Kuzuha, Shigure Ui, Oriens, Kanata

> PER COMPANY
21x: Hololive
4x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

> PER STREAMER
10x: Miko
3x: Koyori
1x: Korone, Ex Albio, Subaru, Fuwa, Pekora, Botan, Pekora, Ao, Okayu, Kuzuha, Shigure Ui, Oriens, Kanata

I might be retarded

>>88250023
the thing is, when we're talking about JP chuubas entering JP mainstream, we're talking about them collaborating with governments, musicians, actors and seiyuu, REGULAR sports team sponsorships, radio and TV appearances, performing at some of the biggest stages in Japan
entering Western mainstream doesn't mean IM passing Kai Cenat, it means something like Gura having an interview with Taylor Swift or Mori releasing a track featuring Kendrick, HoloEN doing a tour of US stadiums

the rift isn't even between HoloJP and HoloEN, but the incredibly massive, nearly incomprehensible rift between western streamer scene and actual entertainment world (this is becoming smaller due to all the streamer appearances in movies or having some budding music/acting gigs tho)

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>>88250367
Um, sir? That's a child.

>>88250406
anon, they are not actually watching it, they are just embedding some pixels of the stream to people watching whatever they want in the front page

>>88250345
>Youtube has changed the algorithm and fucked with viewership so much. I'll never think anything other than it was because they felt it would become too big.
Do you think if there's no more global pandemic but the youtube algorithm is restored to how it was back then, would the numbers incline closer to 2020 mythmania numbers?

>>88250457
OCTOBER 2024 BRONZE
>1) 62,569: Sendo (VSPO) 3D reveal
>2) 36,944: Pekora (Hololive) Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster
>3) 28,354: Bae (Hololive) FULL METAL ALCHEMIST KARAOKE
>4) 28,038: Beni (VSPO) VSPO GODFIELD
>5) 32,375: Fubuki (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>6) 50,953: Pekora (Hololive) Offcollab PekoAzu cooking
>7) 31,943: Kuzuha (Nijisanji) Valorant
>8) 28,114: Hajime (Hololive) Clubhouse 51 w/ Noel
>9) 28,798: Mumei (Hololive) PROMISE ANNIVERSARY COLLAB
>10) 41,642: Pekora (Hololive) PeKoyo offcollab utawaku
>11) 31,951: Fubuki (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>12) 34,964: Kanata (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator KanaPeko
>13) 59,215: Miko (Hololive) Soul Calibur VI
>14) 42,993: Kuzuha (Nijisanji) Valorant
>15) 26,538: AZKi (Hololive) anisong utawaku
>16) 34,677: Shellin (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Pirate King project 2024 explanation
>17) 28,641: Kuzuha (Nijisanji) DRAGON BALL SPARKING ZERO
>18) 41,999: Botan (Hololive) NARIBIKIMURA w/ Lamy
>19) 33,751: Subaru (Hololive) Ohasuba Freetalk + 3.0 debut
>20) 50,661: Miko (Hololive) Run Pizza Run
>21) 35,751: Akari (Nijisanji) Yu-Gi-Oh! Deck Building
>22) 25,911: Roco (Nijisanji) Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel
>23) 35,943: Subaru (Hololive) holomem family tree
>24) 39,812: Murakumo Kagetsu (Nijisanji) Owarimaten
>25) 28,858: Korone (Hololive) Liar’s Bar
>26) 32,465: Kanata (Hololive) HoloKoushien 2024 #2


> PER COMPANY
2x: VSPO
17x: Hololive
7x: Nijisanji

> PER STREAMER
3x: Pekora, Kuzuha
2x: Fubuki, Miko, Subaru, Kanata
1x: Sendo, Bae, Beni, Hajime, Mumei, AZKi, Shellin, Botan, Akari, Roco, Kagetsu, Korone

>>88250467
>Gura having an interview with Taylor Swift or Mori releasing a track featuring Kendrick
ew lets not fucking do that

>>88250489
They'd get a 20-25% bump but it wouldn't be Mythmania level. That was the high point of the vtuber boom in the west.

>>88250046
>chat is whining about mod fuckery
This seeks disingenuous

I already hate dooby

>>88250501
OCTOBER 2024 HIGHLANDER
>1) 122,380: Ame (Hololive) Final stream
>2) 57,651: Miko (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>3) 32,628: Pekora (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator
>4) 28,038: Beni (VSPO) VSPO GODFIELD [B]
>5) 117,346: Fubuki (Hololive) 3D LIVE Bday
>6) 77,935: Marine (Hololive) Clubhouse 51 w/ Ui-mama
>7) 31,943: Kuzuha (Nijisanji) Valorant [B]
>8) 28,114: Hajime (Hololive) Clubhouse 51 w/ Noel [B]
>9) 28,798: Mumei (Hololive) PROMISE ANNIVERSARY COLLAB [B]
>10) 67,925: Luna (Hololive) 3D LIVE Bday
>11) 28,799: Alban (Nijisanji) 3D debut [4th]
>12) 34,964: Kanata (Hololive) TCG Card Shop Simulator [B]
>13) 75,335: Mio (Hololive) Inside Marine's head
>14) 76,602: Botan (Hololive) Shishiro Cup 2nd Day2 STREET FIGHTER 6
>15) 41,279: Subaru (Hololive) SubaOka Fushigi no dungeon 2
>16) 52,895: Nijisanji (Nijisanji) Nijisanji Master Duel 2024 tournament
>17) 29,060: Okayu (Hololive) Important Announcement [S]
>18) 44,406: Kagami (Nijisanji) Yu-Gi-Oh! Beginner's Course
>19) 69,751: Koyori (Hololive) Hololive Koushien 2024 draft w/Kanata, Ririka, and AZKi [S]
>20) 98,883: Lui (Hololive) holoDTB tournament
>21) 35,751: Akari (Nijisanji) Yu-Gi-Oh! Deck Building [B]
>22) 37,767: Shigure Ui (Indie) 2 million subscriber endurance stream [S]
>23) 39,402: Oriens (Nijisanji) new merch announcement [S]
>24) 39,812: Murakumo Kagetsu (Nijisanji) Owarimaten [B]
>25) 28,858: Korone (Hololive) Liar’s Bar [B]
>26) 25,554: Towa (Hololive) STREET FIGHTER 6 Tokyo Online Party 2024 [7th]

> PER COMPANY
17x: Hololive
1x: VSPO
7x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie


> PER COMPANY
17x: Hololive
1x: VSPO
7x: Nijisanji
1x: Indie

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>>88250467
>REGULAR sports team
I am at a loss here. The Dodgers collab was in the exact same molds of the JP Giants collab. What’s not regular about a collab with the team with the highest attendance of all of US organized sports?

btw new twitch drama for hte ones interested in the death of twitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNp8QVgp24c

>>88250489
I'm not going to try to imagine it. Before CCVID I used to say things like Pekora would literally rule the world and I believed it was hypothetically possible.

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I thought liggers hating on CC was just a meme because she left the indie life, but now that i check liggers they are praising dooby as teh holokiller and shitting on CC for leaving them

>>88246371
5-16 win for nijisanji, hololive is dead

>>88250530
yeah, I understand that doesn't really sound attractive (particularly to people here), but that's the reality of HololiveEN becoming actual mainstream, it'd require working with mainstream artists, with governments, with big corps - just like HoloJP does in JP

>>88250467 (me)
on that note, Mori actually breaking it into Billboard Top 100 Artists was a relatively significant, but passing milestone and in a way some of the closest instances of HoloEN having "mainstream" presence

>>88250046
This is slower than pretty much every member stream I have ever watched.

>>88216970
True, but Mumei has also shown so many signs of clinical autism, that an alleged researcher posted here a few years ago thinking she's likely on the spectrum.

Hololive Is So Good When U Ain’t Got A Bitch In Ya Ear Telling You It’s Bad And To Watch Some Random Indie

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Man, if you guys thought the Twitch culture was cancer… when Twitch unavoidably dies it will unleash the ultimate plague over the western stream world if kick is the place that picks the mantle

>>88250627
>bunch of crabs in a bucket shitting on everyone
it's a ligger eat ligger world out there

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>>88250382

>>88250584
apologies, the regular part meant to include the sports collabs, TV and radio interviews all in all
it just means a continuous presence in normie visible spaces, something one off collabs, even big ones, don't really provide (but they definitely help breaking into that space!)

>>88250691
I still want kick vtubers who play casino games

>>88250606
Summarize

>>88250687
>HISGWUAGABIYETYIBATWSRI

>>88250559
OCTOBER 2024 holoID
>1) 4,513: Moona (hololiveSTAGE24 HYPE STREAM Vol.2)
>2) 5,589: Ollie (TCG Card Shop Simulator) [3]
>3) 9,967: Kaela (TCG Card Shop Simulator) [2]
>4) 9,654: Kaela (Fishing Planet ft. Timesmith)
>5) 8,888: Kaela (TCG Card Shop Simulator)
>6) 5,169: Zeta (TCG Card Shop Simulator)
>7) 5,565: Kobo (Panicore w/ holoh3roes)
>8) 6,699: Anya (WATCHING HOLOGTA CLIPS WITH MOOMS!)
>9) 4,673: Zeta (TCG Card Shop Simulator)
>10) 8,077: Kaela (TCG Card Shop Simulator)
>11) 3,631: Kaela (Glyphica: Typing Survival)
>12) 5,875: Risu (TCG Card Shop Simulator) [2]
>13) 16,654: Ollie (3D Birthday LIVE) [2]
>14) 5,516: Zeta (ZetaRiri OFFCOLLAB Clubhouse 51)
>15) 4,634: Kobo (SILENT HILL 2)
>16) 3,223: Kaela (Galaxy Burger)
>17) 2,516: Zeta (Zetalk)
>18) 4,990: Kaela (Don't Starve Together w/ Moona)
>19) 6,127: Kaela (TCG Card Shop Simulator) [2]
>20) NONE
>21) 5,010: Kaela (Dont Starve Together w/ Moona and Kronii)
>22) 5,209: Kaela (Lethal Company w/HoloID minus Kobo)
>23) 3,329: Kaela (EA SPORTS FC™ 25)
>24) 5,061: Kaela (Don’t Starve Together)
>25) 4,493: Kaela (The Strongest Tofu)
>26) 3,269: Kaela (TCG Card Shop Simulator)


> PER STREAMER
14x: Kaela
4x: Zeta
2x: Ollie, Kobo
1x: Moona, Anya, Risu, NONE


> PER STREAMER
14x: Kaela
4x: Zeta
2x: Ollie, Kobo
1x: Moona, Anya, Risu, NONE

Total holo domination has been GRIM for horseracing. Even the YAB-gi-oh is weak. No excitement
what can we do about this non-predicament

>>88249925
Anons, dont forget, he got second place

>>88250691
Maybe you don't remember YouTube's prankbros culture.

>>88250691
This existed before streaming. Opie and Anthony who had a radio show used t pull pranks like this on the homeless for numbers and giggles . It's mostly an American thing.

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Forgot holo was the spice and wolf character but it was funny seeing all the seethe in between the holo art when I clicked on the tag in trending.

>>88250106
>plus the Japanese are retarded and only know how to measure success by bluray sales
I mean, the Japanese will keep their physical till their dying breath, and I applaud them for that lmao

Again, Mori had to BEG UMJ for a store front in the US, just saying

>>88250659
I can't really see that as the same thing. Main stream in Japan seems so much smaller than main stream in the US. Becoming main stream in japan makes hololive pretty big. Becoming main stream in the US would make hololive one of the top production companies in the world. The scale is just completely different.

>>88250023
hate to tell you this but most of hololive's income already comes from people who watch more clips than streams

>>88250627
Someone is desperate to promote that narrative and carry it to here whilst the vast majority of that thread doesn't seem to care or is annoyed at the off-topic.

>>88250045
>If someone is witty, their wit isn't going to show exclusively when their normie filter traits are showing
There is not such thing as just being funny in a vacuum, everyone draws from their own interests and inspirations when bantering with others and joking around. Someone like Fauna has pretty normalfag friendly humor not because she has mastered the art of being funny in absolute terms but because she's a bit of a normalfag herself compared to the turbo weeaboos that make up a lot of holoEN. The Northernlion thing isn't just a meme right, one of her big influences is a streamer who is literally just an intensely normal bloke whose biggest quirks are like, ranting about random thing and knowing a bunch of movie trivia? She grew up watching mainstream internet funny guys, she doesn't really have any particularly out there niche interests that aren't just standard 2014 tumblr gamer girl stuff. All this means that a lot of her humor is going to appeal to the very large audience that has similar interests and experiences. Obviously a lot of it does come down to her being genuinely funny and quick witted which not everyone in holoEN is, but again people like FWMC who have spent over a decade at this point being the female version of the Ken-sama meme are never going to resonate with the average western normalfag the way Gura or Fauna can.

>>88250780
>They actual think twitter numbers matter

>>88250750
Its a live stream, he has infiltrated a slack made by former(?) workers from twitch so he now has the inside scoop on a lot of stuff

>>88250727
>apologies, the regular part meant to include the sports collabs, TV and radio interviews
I’m familiarized with organized sports including some of the US and that’s not the norm for even established mainstream artists.
The gig usually goes exactly like it happened with the Dodgers collab
>show up, do it halftime or in the end, entertain the crowd, bail
Unless of course you mean the ultimate collab, doing the Superb Owl halftime but if Miku didn’t get the sport at her height I'm not seeing even Gorillaz doing it now

>>88250709
>watchalong vs karaoke

>>88250691
vtubers?

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You would complain the loudest if Fauna actually capitalized on her clout among streamers as a stepping stone towards going mainstream.

>>88250709
>hides the paygated no screen watchlong fact
nice self report ban evading ennacuck

>>88250803
yeah, which is exactly why I can see why Gura or Mori see it as outright impossible
it's not a dig at Holo, or their ability to appeal to people, it's just Western mainstream being so incredibly big
even anime, despite strides it made, is still not really mainstream-mainstream in the West, with maybe a handful of exceptions like DBZ or cultural legacies like Cowboy Bebop

>>88250345
>Youtube has changed the algorithm and fucked with viewership so much. I'll never think anything other than it was because they felt it would become too big.
Well, maybe if Vtuber is injected into something more normie-friendly, then it might change and not just depend on Neal's spaghetti codebase
The Dodger thread in /sp/ is already been hijacked by /vt/

>>88250627
/lig/ has been infested with phase and /wvt/ now. /big/ is the new /lig/ thus the split.

>>88250835
*actually

>>88250828
>but again people like FWMC who have spent over a decade at this point being the female version of the Ken-sama meme
if it only was a decade...

>>88250859
Oh well, summarize when it's over then if anything funny happens

>>88250779
>>88250777
I remember and remember how Jake Paul pretty much buried the concept for YouTube
>he and that retard that got himself shot pretending to pull a robbery

>>88250882
I feel like all my favourites are doing things perfectly.

>>88250417
Yeah, but it's a bit more "Wink wink nudge nudge" back then compare to now

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>>88250780

>>88250818
wrong, they don't buy/pay for anything they consume

>>88250867
not a karaoke

>>88250938
botto

>>88250825
idk I checked their thread a few days ago and there were multiple posts not just randomly shitting on her but saying that they hate her holo content because it isn't unhinged enough and it's a shame that she sold out to make teletubby content for the holo simp money or whatever, it looked like genuine seethe and not just one schizo trying to force a narrative

>>88250818
>clipfags actually believe this

>>88250938
Thanks Elon

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>>88250835

>>88250530
Anon, you can't stay niche forever in the entertainment industry, especially if you try to go global

>>88251007
Of course you can, what sort of logic is that?

>>88249925
Honestly at this point using hololive is like supporting a cult, you allow them to sell a few plushies at your location and before you know it you are watching holos yourself

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>>88251004
So back

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>>88250818
bizzaro #

>>88250659
>>88250803
Say, Hololive becoming Disney level, would that be "Mainstream" then?

Man, shitposters seem to really be struggling today.

>>88251007
theres obscure niche, then theres popular enough, then theres mainstream normie bandwagon shit
they are in the middle

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>>88250818
Please say sike

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>>88249996
>Do we have any other examples of literally whos getting front page?
I have this, Ironmouse getting featured on the frontpage for two hours. Get put on the front page gains ~9k viewers, gets taken off loses ~9k viewers.
I think there might be different tiers to it

>>88250941
>>88250980
>>88251044
>>88251105
It's unironically true, if stream watchers spend $1 per stream that's $1 per like 2 hours of content on average, but for a clip it would be $1 per 5-19 minutes, if you work out the math it turns out to be way more money in the end

>>88251053
Yes. they don't even have to become disney level. That's the peak of main stream. They just need to be at a level where everyone knows about it. It sometimes comes up at the dinner table. but not everyone likes or watches it. Like Macy's

>>88251127
Are people actually watching these streams or is twitch just counting everyone parked on the homepage as "watching" it?

>>88250780
Someone should post the please seethe image on that guy's replies

All these talks about "Being mainstream", and no one actually say anything about why it is a bad thing
>The moment something enters actual mainstream, it will be politicalized by the current culture war by all sides.
Yes, I know, it's already happening in the Vtuber space, but it will be ten time worse then actual entertainment mega corps are involved, and I don't want that in my Hololive.

>>88251105
no, it's true
that's why Cover heavily pushed for holopro integration. otachud money has peaked since probably last year.

>>88250818
Ignore everyone who rightfully calls you a retard and explain to me how.

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>>88250828
>There is not such thing as just being funny in a vacuum
There absolutely is when it comes to clips. Hell, there's tons of clips of Fauna and Gura being funny with nothing but their body.

>giantess ollie op
This thread will be worse

>>88251170
I'm not sure you know how math works

>>88251197
I think it counts all main page traffic as a viewer.

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>>88251039
Hololive thrives through the power of love and the light.
It's a group of girls singing, dancing and interacting with eachother on stage and in virtual environments. With the ability to get to know them through the medium of Video Games, something that connects boomers through to zoomers.
It's just fun and love. Music is legit incredible as well if you haven't noticed.

>>88251170
This might be at the same level of retardedness as saying selling out a venue causes you to lose money.

>>88251024
Something something infinite growth I guess

>>88251170
go ask the homos

>>88251224
That's not what I said

>>88251215
>Most fans are normies
>Most normies do not have time to watch full streams
>Normie sees their Holo friends getting merch
>Normie buys merch because normie has herd mentality

>>88251197
Let me guess. Your standards for counting what's a viewer magically align with how youtube does.

>>88251197
They count anyone who has the homepage opened, and 99/100 times they have it muted.

>>88251274
>Normie buys merch

>>88251197
counts everyone parked on the homepage as "watching" it

>>88251197
>is twitch just counting everyone parked on the homepage as "watching" it?
It seems pretty clearly this yeah
>>88251278
Let me guess big fan of the Fextralife streams?

>>88251278
You mean, someone viewing the stream? If anything Youtube goes too far, But someone muted and tabbed out shouldn't be counted.

>>88251237
And in the absolute hell hole that is modern Internet culture, GOD is that a thing people need
Imagine NOT having to hear about any sort of drama when watching your anime girls being retarded on stream almost 24/7 (Well, 24/7 if you know JP, but still)
No wonder people seethe at Hololive daily

>>88251278
My standards are "is it a real person" "are they doing something that could reasonably be interpreted as watching the stream".

>>88251304
I mean, TO BE FAIR, do you think everyone who bought the Dino Gura plushie are chumbuds? (Not counting actual chumbuds who bought in bulk of course)

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>>88251362

>>88251170
>mass replying

>>88251304
What counts as normie and not normie? If you buy merch are you suddenly not a normie? Because the barrier to buying merch is pretty low and NEETs certainly don't have the money to compete as the biggest contributors to merch or ticket sales.

>>88251418
Oh, fuck off with the headgames, tourist.

>>88251395
no im sure a bunch of niji sisters must have bought it instead

>>88251209
the "going mainstream" thing in general was a bit of a tangential split from the original argument
"appealing to normalfags" and "mainstream" aren't equivalent terms

Huh, I just realized that one of shorts dancers I follow is also one of these half/half chuuba/fleshie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8MebXXLatQ

>>88251359
>says goes too far
>proceed to align with it
full circle

>>88251440
Gonna shit your pants?

>>88251454
There's so much overlap that even trying to argue there's a difference has no practical leverage in this conversation.

>>88251460
you follow a boy

>>88247883
>>88248374
>>88249255
Hey thanks for the updates anon. I wonder if that big Mori drop lines up with anything else as well. Something that might have got her channel shadow banned or something.
It's quite a big drop pretty quickly otherwise

>>88251470
That's your goal, to make others angry. You have no intellectual basis to even make these comments, just sadism stemming from personal insecurity. So you can be safely called a retard and ignored.

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>>88251362
since you brought that aspect up, my numbers are down from when I last posted

>>88251469
Be less obvious

i think i figured it out
may be able to finally post the full rollover tally

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BEHOLD
THE DAISENPAI OF HOLOLIVE
https://youtu.be/HrZYCpc3aso?t=1152

>>88251503
The 2024 one? It’s 100% the 2024 view bug, proof to that is the recovery to the previous level

>>88251503
>mori
she mentioned getting deprioritized in the algo and didnt know why

For the low price of 1 (one), Elira BJ, I will save NijisanjiEN

>>88251562
Why would she do that.......

>>88251598
She positions her new outfit to cover all her clothes and appear naked. It's not a mystery.

>>88251598
Too many male collabs

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>>88251634

>>88251562
>>88251623
nobody says no to the KING
>Prima Nocta

>>88251632
mayhaps thats it, but i dont really know if that happened before or after the bunnysuit

>>88251634
Dooby more like doody lol

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>>88250471
out of 10!

>>88251356
2023 called they want a word with you

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>>88251680
its noctis you barbarian

>>88251686
It just alludes to her usual style of streaming, though. She appeals to arousal (not just sexual, but also shitposting, anger, violence, etc). Once you're flagged, it's easier to flag you again, since the system is designed to punish repeat offenders faster than the first time. At some point, it trips you up over things others would be ignored over.

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The Ver Niji that's going on hiatus.

>>88250606
go back to /pol/ faggot

>>88251533
That's not me.
>>88251418
I'm honestly curious why you think it can't possibly be clip watchers and more casual viewers that make up most of Cover's income.
>Events
Normies can plan around events and are even more likely to show to them than a basement dweller that catalogs everything their oshi has ever said.

>>88251758
then why did she recover, by that logic it would only get worse and worse

>>88251749
google has failed me
gfy moom

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>>88251762
spoiler it next time

>>88251791
Because she played it straight for a while. It's not deep, my man, and it's not a mystery.

>>88250780
retard talk like dramachannel is on the side of holo or something lmao, this is a nothingburger weak scoop

>>88251304
I'm actually quite sure there are plenty of Japanese normies who don't watch nor care much about Hololive, but still buy Laplus etc. plushies because the design is cute.

>>88251831
so she played it straight for a while with a fucking bunny suit? shes still using that all the time

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You guys ready for CC’s IRL oktoberfest stream?

Honestly on the weeb pole hololive is pretty much near the top in the west. In terms of ranking I say
1. Hoyovese/Mainstream Anime(JJK/DBZ)
2. Hololive / Semi popularly Anime(SAO/FATE)
3. Niche Anime/Anitubers
4. Gacha Games(FGO)
5. Dub Voice Actors

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towa blessing the thread

>>88251886
The bunnysuit is still relatively new. Stop being a pant-shitting retard.

>>88251836
they are though
this is fact

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>>88250780

>>88251891
Yes sir I have my Super Bock ready for a fine beer tasting evening

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wtf no one told me I was supposed to watch clips to support my oshi the most?

>>88251893
hoyoverse is below Mainstream Anime for the west, anon

>>88251886
>get facts
>argue for the sake of arguing
Deadbeats make every fucking thing tiresome.

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towAI

Not exactly related to vtubers, still funny regardless
In the Kpop world, BlackPink and other groups are mogging BTS hard nowadays and their fans have gone into a denial mode that somehow its all because of their label not promoting

I see alot of similarity with Niji fans where they too are in denial that they are irrelevant

>>88251906
thread ruined

>>88251962
what am I looking at here

>>88251891
I'm watching kiara

>>88251962
It's retarded clipfag cope. I'm certain they make up a decent chunk of income, but to make that claim that they're the majority is a dumb take that disregards what drives most clipfags.

>>88252041
merch purchases of someone who doesn't watch clips (10 pages worth)

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>>88251891
yes

>>88251942
>shill niji homos
>shitting on sayu and doki
>trying to flame holo
this tranny is the whole package kek

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>>88250046
I noticed something interesting in this webm. One of Ironlung woke mods nuked the comment of some random guy in chat . His name? HARRY FUCKING POTTER. ROFL

Never beating the allegations, Wokeshojo.

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>>88251918
>they are though
nijiniggers delusions, these are vultures that will bite everything for clicks

>>88251632
it was before the outfit, retardchama
it's actually after the outfit that things started becoming more normal

>>88251503
Mori has a lot of major reasons for her view counts and retards like >>88251652 just further muddy the water
large focus on long-running but niche popular series while not really hopping on any western audience-relevant trend until Elden Ring, moving her timeslot a ton to appeal to different side of the audience, massive breaks in long-running series caused by her trying to move regularly between US and Japan or other reasons (remember her going back to finish Doom Eternal after a year and a half?), being one of the few members to persistently keep doing SC reading streams at either Japanese primetime or ass end of US hours, little to no karaoke and what was there was 80% archived
once she stabilized her timeslot a bit things became a bit more consistent, but at that point she was working under 3-4 people overlap regularly, trying to build a new audience in PST hours and her streams were both frequent and long as fuck, making it hard for people who missed one stream to follow up on another

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>>88252078
yeah, sorry, I realized that a few seconds after I posted. I only have three pages

>>88252041
A lot of money leaving anons wallet

>>88252158
>it was before the outfit, retardchama
Yes, and I explained it in a following post. Stop being a Dumbassbeat.

>>88251891
No I'm waiting like a dog waiting for its master to come back on Fauna's channel

>>88251891
oh fuck that reminds i have 10 mins to take a shit wish me good luck anons

>>88252212
We know saplings don't like hololive you don't need to keep telling us

>>88251968
>be objectively wrong
>people tell you are wrong
>AIEEEEEEE FUCKING DEADBEATS

>>88252158
>It's "muddying the waters" to point out male collabs controversy hurt her numbers.
lol
just lol

Do you think my oshi enjoys me (and about another hundred guys) replying to every single tweet (not replies, that's sister behavior) or is it too much?

>>88251891
On Kiara's sub-channel?

>>88252268
>people
>one samefagger
Subhuman, maybe.

>>88251454
>"appealing to normalfags" and "mainstream" aren't equivalent terms
Can we even count Twitter brainrotted population as "Normalfags" anymore? Feels like everyday they stray further from reality, yet brands can't stop catering to them

>>88251542
Bro, charge your damn phone

>>88252058
>>88252304
Fuck off

>>88251831
this is the anon i was talking to
>>88251968
>>88252268
this is a schizo samefagging

>>88252358
Just imagine a horde of zombies running for morsels on hamsterwheels and you'll understand both normalfags and mainstream.
You'll even understand the shitposters ITT.

Solid waiting room number for CC's stream today

>>88251891
Hell yeah, might even crack open a beer, even if it's Belgian.

>>88252270
Mori "male collabed" since week 1
weirdly enough her biggest live audience loss coincided with her reactivating personal channel and then constantly spending time changing countries, timeslots and being late or absent for every trend in the process, while doubling down on finishing viewership dead ends like Personal 3 or FF16

>>88252393
towa kiss me...

Again why does /haha/ show up when I search for /#/

>>88252462
>Mori "male collabed" since week 1
And she took shots over it. Still not a mystery.

>>88252413
nobody phones me it's basically an alarm clock, it will be fine until monday

>>88252358
Twitter zombies are an extremely small selection of general population and can be mostly ignored for discussion sake
the 10/90 rule and all

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>>88250780
my god the rentfree seethe, drama channel has done inrepairable damage to xisters brains

>>88252358
Pretty much everybody at this point agreed Twitter doesn't represent actual population.

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>>88251906

>>88252580
Depends on if you like who owns it or not, doesn't it, normalfag?

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>>88252494
Cause of this.

>>88252638
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>88251762
Meh. Is he graduating?

Is there really a dude pretending the state of Mori's channel is confusing?
Really?

is Kiara even really a german if she doesn't drink beer?

>>88252158
Yeah, obviously a drop during the grim era is expected but that's the 90 day average and that's a pretty consistant significant drop. So it seemed like there was probably more to it

>>88252677
every time i see a reply chain about mori i don't bother reading it, because it's always a circular never ending argument

>>88252677
it's more of a "it's all the fucking males" shitposters vs people going "uhm, ackshually, it's a ton of factors"
there's no real debate there because one side doesn't care and the other just likes talking into an angry void

>>88252722
>>88252429

>15+
Mumei...

>>88252779
>pretending to be confused about the THREAD, let alone channel history
jfc dude get new material

>>88252013
>are mogging BTS hard nowadays
It happens that they were doing their mandatory military service for a year or so

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What the fuck are these creatures and why do they look like they will murder me in my sleep?

>>88252013
Yeah no shit all of them are on mandatory military service, but it's still funny that they have to invent any other cope

I agree with the consensus of the thread, Towa is sex

>>88252625
Unironically yes
Same reason why people like HoloEN under Jap and hate it under Omega

>>88251562
Shes a genius, dont doubt her

>>88252749
it's consistent because the breaks in content, timezone swapping and the torrent of low viewership content were constant
ironically if Mori did like other ENs at the time and just streamed ER twice a month while quitting all the other shit, that graph would've looked way different
but her and Kiara kept grinding out of obligation, but without really changing their content preferences (and you can say that both felt way too burned out to go out of their comfort zones), which leveled out the graph
note that Kiara's incline does not only coincide with her doing better content alone, but also streaming a fair bit less, it makes all the buff choices more pronounced

>>88252358
Mainstream is when it escapes the internet bubble. Either way I say Hololive is in a nice place right now they have the top english speaking female streamers in the world all they need to do is have Cover USA network and keep getting collabs like Round 1 and Dodgers then they be golden.

>>88249710
Provide the Qrds

https://x.com/hololive_En/status/1850145356488839437

omg... the official account swore......
good bye sponsorships

>>88252625
>Thing cater to me, good
>Thing does not cater to me, bad
>This is hard to understand, somehow

>>88253043
It's over

>>88252557
>>88250780
>>88252128
kinda reminds me of this from earlier
>>88235568

>>88253043
D:

>>88252950
No, dipshit. A group represents a larger group if the mixture of their opinions scale to match.
Twitter, the opinions scale. There were minor changes regarding the change in leadership (though CENSORSHIP did change quite a bit).
The opinions of Omega did NOT scale to the group of fans. Jap did. Not really that hard, or deep, or confusing.

>>88252871
Kumarine is so cute

>>88253014
Yep, people don’t realize what “monkey paw” wish it would be to turn mainstream.
The Holo audience would IMMEDIATELY be out at the same level of Swifties and KPop stans, except not just by the comically incompetent nijiniggers and phase niggers but by the TMZ-level mouth breathers

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>>88253043
wtf i thought cover was a wholesome christian company?

Almost 5k waiting
https://youtu.be/QwDmHp5s9-c

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>>88252928

>>88253043
its over

>>88253156
easily gonna be a 12k stream

Why are there, like, two people (at most), trying to redefine how things work and revising history ITT? Is this a baby raid? Someone get butthurt in global? Is it the timezone (did I forget if some fuckers are up right now)?

>>88249925
I'm literally right by here, what Hololive-related thing was going on here?

>>88253156
i don't have any beers ready, so I must resort to spirits

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Nice

The best way of selling a brand is through illusions

5k waiting

>>88253204
i think it was bowling and cranes

>>88250799
Make me remember how ZUN was adamant that he sell his game as physical CD, and it took a lot of convincing for him to finally let people put his game on Steam

>>88253156
>>88253191
>>88253272
>delayed waiting room
Touristchamas...

Looks like an easy 10k for the doll today

>>88253316
Still nice

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I been slacking on numberfag duty lately, but is this really the best Nijisanji can muster with their tournament?

>>88250875
She's too much of an anxiety bomb

What's the occasion

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>>88253298
There is a pretty huge round 1 collab going on, it's been advertised for months so I'm surprised you missed it.
https://www.round1usa.com/hololive

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Do people really live like this?

>>88253269
>i don't have any beers ready, so I must resort to spirits
I don't like beer, will try different vodkas instead

>>88253463
Yes, smartphones let the bottom of the barrel into the internet

>>88252911
>>88252862
nope, 2 of the members are out and all of them still releasing music... I kid you not some of their MV numbers are lower than Suisei or Marine

>late
Its over

>>88253421
>bowling
does hololive realize no one under60 in america goes bowling

>>88250967
I doubt most of them even watched her as an indie. Her content hasn't really changed.

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Starting
https://youtu.be/QwDmHp5s9-c
https://youtu.be/QwDmHp5s9-c
https://youtu.be/QwDmHp5s9-c

CC IS HERE
SHE DIDN'T ABANDON US

>>88253421
>>88253204

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CC OKTOBERFEST stream.
PROST! I already drank one can of beer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDmHp5s9-c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDmHp5s9-c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDmHp5s9-c

What are you guys talking about where did this mori topic come from >>88252991 did I miss something she said

CC GOLD

My shameful yuro confession is that I like asahi more than most fancy euro beers I've tried

>>88253768
Nothing happened. It's a shitposter.

>dooby
DOOBY?

dooby mention

>ERB
muted

UGH STFU ERB

>ERB
IT'S SO OVER

>>88253826
Beer in general fucking sucks, liqueurs are the real shit

OH FFS, FUCK OFF BONG WHORE

>>88253826
Asahi in most of Europe is just Peroni

>20 minutes delay
>Instant ERB
I suffer the most

>>88252991
>ironically if Mori did like other ENs at the time...
I appreciate the attempt at actually giving a more detailed explanation but now you're being too flippant and muddying the waters here.
Mori's numbers starts dropping off 2-3 months before all the other girls did, and it does not line up with any of the other girls dropping their streaming frequency or changing content. The drop also starts a couple of months before tempiss debuted, so it's not just that either

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you guys are being a bit too... annoying

literal nijiEN behaviour (at least they're not dubois)

ERB IS SENDING CC TO GRAB ALCOHOL

the fuck is cecilia doing

ceclia has to interact with humans...

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>>88253421
>IRyS-trawberry
>not StrawberRyS
Cover are fake Hololive fans.

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So that's it? Hololive wins anyway?

>>88253705
They're also arcades, and karaoke, and gacha gambling with claw machines.
It's like a big multi-entertainment place. depending on the location.

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FAT FUCK

ceclias ughs are so erotic

>>88253933
I've only had it in japan, never seen it in my country

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>>88253955
chu

>>88253966
you have never watched a start of cc stream before

Woah
https://x.com/DavidWald_VA/status/1849901208104022257
What will it mean for Crunchyroll Hime?

Why isn't CC celebrating with Kiara?

So that's it? Cheebs just wins?

ANOTHER BLONDE