Is this the final yab of all yabs to kill hololive?
Whoever was in charge of Gura's rigging should never have been paid and I hope they go homeless
>>88442134Cool. *continues brushing it off and watching Hololive
>>88442134243 artists, revision already??
>>88442134This will kill hololive like how filian's controversy will kill her
>>88442134Lmao. Looks like those artist will be jobless for a very very long time.
>not a small matterCorrect, it’s a non-matter. Try again next time, nijifags.
>>88442134Guys. You don't understand. Hololive being caught whipping their workers if they don't work hard enough is a nothingburger
>>88442134>Is this the final yab of all yabs to kill hololive?No, but this is>As "Fauna" and "saplings", we cannot be friends, or, we should not be friends>I'm sure you've heard the saying don't meet your heroes, I don't think that necessarily applies to everybody, but I think its good if you can just watch streamers and enjoy their streams for what they are>Fauna is mean in real life?>I don't think so, and I think I try to be myself on stream but you know, if we were friends we might have disagreements, who knows>there might be things that you would be like, like maybe, the fact that I made 10 servings of curries and you don't eat leftovers is irreconcilable>Because I want to show you guys only the best side of myself you know>I think that's best, because I don't want to bring your guys moods down, by showing you, like, a non positive side of me, you know>But I think for friends its important to open up, show them more of you if you want to be really close>Anyway, I hope that is okay, I know, I know, don't be sad, cherish your friends because they are just as cool as streamers I promise.>I promise they are>There's nothing particularly special about streamers, I mean like sure maybe there's a streamer and they're great at singing but does that make them a better friend, no, it doesn't>someone can be a great friend even if they aren't great at singing>My friends are cooler than you? I hope so, I hope so>quite a few of my friends are streamers, what do I do? I mean that's an exception.>I mean obviously streamers have friends.>And I'm sure sometimes people have made friends with streamers and it workout out, but you know>Anyway there's my deep talk, I answered it as honestly as I could, I am happy to be here, and entertain you guys and hang out and its fun>yeah exactly, the great part of streaming is interaction.>There's a back and forth which makes it great, the banter.>you just try to make me laugh? You do, you guys type funny stuff all the time.>I think I would've had a harder time being a lets player without having a chat to bounce off of mmm hmm>But, you should always...I know I shouldn't lecture you guys...>It's important for you guys to not neglect your real lives too>Put yourselves #1 always.>I'm just some silly streamer on the internet.>And I will not be happy if you're neglecting yourselves>No you wont? *laughs* You must, you must.>Please take care of yourselves.
>>88442134>pfp
>>88442281This seems pretty reasonable?
>>88442281Not a soul cares about your schizophrenia, brownfeet.
>>88442134>243 artistsWasnt that the revision number? I thought it was like 8 people.
>>88442134why are you stalking this person
>>88442134>nijifag with niji pfp and banner>shilling niji homo merch>homostars homobegging
>>88442271Exactly. Now you're getting it anon! Watch as absolutely no one's numbers get affected by this.
>>88442134Yagoo already apologized for it. You lost.
>>88442134kek the cries of nijimonkeys desperate that nobody give a shit about the ordeal
>>88442134They're leaving because cover is telling riggers, artists and mixers to do their job?Just 2 weeks ago an ID complained that an artist she hired didn't do the job she paid him for. If anything most of them are probably sick of dealing with these faggots too.
>>88442134>Unironic sister postingI applaud your blending-in skill sister
>>88442261filian dont give a fuck, JPs can never ignore shit, i mean they have a draconic court system for a reason, they send yuji naka to jail for slight insider trading which was just leaking rumours about some upcoming games
>>88442134>a fucking nijikekOf course.
>>88442788I believe anon’s point was that nothing will change.
>>88442326It is revision number, that guy posted a japanese screenshot and has a katakana name without understanding anything Japanese
>>88442863The screenshot literally says that it's 23 people
>>88442134Ok but why am I supposed to care? As someone who just watches the girls, why does this matter?
>>88442134>https://x.com/mishiyaro/status/1849762977395900711
>>88442326yes, and several projects for those 8 people, so it could be 1-10 revisions per project.But those are only those that came out.
>>88442247They gonna get sue bro, i got this from a credible nijisource
>>88442222based and checked
>>88442382The number monkey exposes himself
>>88443166When are they gonna get that Niji's reputation in the west is permanently tanked? No matter how much they screech or try to deflect nothing will change that.
>>88442134>Niji profile picOpinion discarded
>>88442134It's only the tip of the iceberg.
>it was 6 million artists who didn't receive their shekels, dis is anudda shoah!
>>88442222checked and trvke
>>88442222Finally a statement on catalog that makes senses.
>>88442281I feel like if your gonna bait you could probably make a better argument that fauna was the one that kept making the artist do the changes causing this to happen in the first place
That many artists can only mean they didn't pay the people that make all the stream cover art for them.
>>88442134>243 artists
AI art must be looking like a real solid option for Cover after this kek
>>88442134i can't even express how much i hate artists. they're so fucking pretentious and narcissistic it's insane
>>88442134Eop are so mentally ill they're going to 2ch using duo lingo translators to post garbage from here over there. lmao
>>88443166>Both companies have both something bad and good to themHoly shit this is some insane amount of cope
>>88443166Holobros. Yes we are holobros and they are nijisisters.
>>88442134>243 artistsMa'am, your translation tool isn't very good. I'm sure you're a total expert when you don't even know what the fuck is happening.
>droves>like 4 willing and amicable departures across 6 years and 70+ talentsare you sure you have your sense of proportion switched on? this is like normal turnover rate in any other context.If I think of "leaving in droves" I think of entire gens leaving like Kawaii, back to back to back graduation relays like NijiEN, or total implosions like Wactor
>>88443251Sauce pls kek
>>88442134Those artists can wait, Holoearth needs more funding!
>>88442134Unrelated to this whole topic, the OP of that tweet behaves in the exact same way /vt/ pictures their nijisister boogeyman to the point where I wonder if it's on purpose. They get involved in drama while bootlicking anycolor at every opportunity, and at the same time they also constantly beg for mixed gender interactions between holo and niji or holo and stars. And they pretend it's all for "unity" but they don't give a shit about the various holo/niji collabs on the jp side that aren't mixed. Also a lot of mistranslation and posting things out of context to fit their narrative, but sadly I think that goes without saying for this type of person.
>>88443251https://x.com/MarkoInGaming/status/1849881741580030011>Proud @ANYCOLOR_Inc and @cover_corp shareholder Ah, that would explain the brain problems.
>>88442134>Niji astroturfed themselves outside japan, and they are declining>Holo decided to sink and fuck up instead of capitalizeYou though it was a fight, but ut was merely a matter of time. I had already seen all it happening, as inevitable as it was. I already control the flesh, now I shall control the anime.
>>88448756>Holo decided to sink and fuck up instead of capitalizewhen did this happen
>>88442134>Fine wasn't even a month of my own personal income just being a normal ass white collar workerYes I'm sure Cover is very worried about it
>>88442222TOTAL RIGGERS DEATH.
imagine reading this as a hololive mess up and not shitty non communicative twitter artists who charge way too much for late, shitty work and rigging complaining that a company being non communicative when they receive garbage after promising a wad of cash
>>88442134I'm not really feelin' it.
>>88442222Fpbp
>>88449065that's from the billions of dollars stolen from artists, they will have to revise again after giving the money back
>>884432516 million? Surely it couldn't have been that high. Maybe a few thousand at most.
>>88448998>Muh corporation can do no wrong!!Spoken as a true jobless retard
>>88449230It was roughly 1m JPY. literally nothing.
>>88442281Whats the issue???
>>88449334spoken like a seething twitter artist
>>88442134who carse about niji artist
>>88442134>I-It was on the news, you have to care!
>>88449820wasn't niji on the news for their yabs multiple times
>Nobody gives a shit they owed 1 million yen>Let's start saying they actually owed 1 billion yen???????????
>>88442271Hololive has already been whipping their talents for the sake of supporting da boiz
>>88442134the reason why EN fans saying they can brush this one off is because niji did so much worse that this shit looks a nothing burger
>>88442222FPBPQUADS OF TRUTHOP BTFO BEYOND RECOVERY
>>88442134Hololive will not die but they aren't that prefect pristine company they try to show to the public and that's in itself is a victory against corpodrone mindset.
>>88442222fpbp and checked.And he got away with Coco too, don't forget.
>>88449820nope, that's why people think they have connections with the news, not even the confirmed raping and doping by the YAB guy was on the news.
>>88451016sorry i meant >>88449877
it's funny they're still trying to make this a thing, all the pent up doomposting for less than a nothingburger
>>88442261I can't believe Fillian was spotted on the sidewalk drunk, needle hanging out of her and spouting racism at random passers-by.What a downfall. Poor girl.
>>88442471I've heard so many of the girls and guys talk about how they get ghosted by artists for projects it's insane. And some of them after paying upfront and with a requested deadline. So sorry, "oh no, I had to make 1-10 revisions" doesn't cut it from that side.
>>88443251>This smoothbrain genuinely believes that they owed 6.7 million dollars, spread out over 243 revisions>Almost $28k per revisionHow the fuck do you type that out, and NOT notice that your numbers are totally off? Like, I know artists are known for being greedy moneygrubbing bastards, but come the fuck on.
>>88449877on jp news? nope lol.btw on the same article by the jftc thing also had a bunch of other corpos mentioned doing other minor offenses, like sony subsidiaries and toyota, but they didnt seem to get mentioned at all, for some reason
>>88442134wow a nijifag posting retarded misinformation again, color me surprised
>>88445414Yes which is why some are using fan art in thumbnails their fans are making saving cover a dime or two.Hell even the rockloli latest pebble emoji were fanmade.
>>88448408Stereotypes exist for a reason. And it isn't a new thing, when Aloe graduated a lot of Nijifans showed up on YouTube and Reddit to explain why she was actually a bad person because she made one random comment about one of their graduated livers a year prior on another identity.
>>88452878If the fair trade commision allows it, artist will just do subpar work and make the client do lots of revision so that they can farm them.
>>88453404Then look for another artist instead of denying them their payment.
>>88442134While you can say it's a serious matter, and it is, it's also industry standard. How will all of the indies feel about needing to pay extra for revisions from their artists? How about if artists and others they commission aren't able to undercut each other to such extremes?
>>88442134>breaching contract lawsWRONG holy shit these fags are illiterate.The law hasn't even been enforced yet. It comes into effect in November. The commission gave Cover a warning before the law comes into effect.
>>88452878NTA but which artist is a greedy money grubbing bastard? If you take most of their commission prices and then divide it up over the hours they spend on it, then it usually come to under minimum wage. You could say artists are lazy and slow bastards, but greedy is a bit far fetched in an industry where people are paid hundreds of dollars to read a small message. Many artists wouldn't even be able to work if it wasn't for the fact that they're supported by other people and don't have the usual expenses. That's why most of them are kids or married.
>>88455427Or third worlders.
>>88442134corporate slave labor is normalized in japan, this is nothing new
>>88455545yes but youre never supposed to be put on the spot about it, it loses faces and embarasses the system, you know all that asian shit. like how you can be connected to the yakuza that smuggle meth and traffic people and thats fine but get caugh with the mildest of weed and youre no longer human
>>88442134>Twitter fag is a nijifaggot
So is there really any change happening now? Big companies don't actually care about this kind of issue, since it's a dispute between cover artist and the original artist. All they need to do is apologize, pay some money, and there won't be any real consequences. The artist will still take cover requests anyway. At the end of the day, what impact can this really have? Even if it got news coverage, who will remember it a month later? It would be more meaningful to discuss the potential impact on Hololive. At most, the audience might notice this incident, but they'll still keep watching as usual.
>>88456185Literally only nbintroon and the rest of the seething Nijisisters care about this and are mad people aren't trying to burn Cover's offices down.
>>88454685Considering that the revisions were "unpayed" because most of them fell out of the "grace" period, I would said that the problem was the Holo pipeline between the artist and the talents. Something that probably doesn't exist between a rigger and an indie. Also looking for the exact dates of the commissions, I will go and said that the problem in the pipeline was because most likely the talents in question were from a foreign branch.>>88442134>>88443166I looked out for the original tweet and surprise me the amount of "likes". More organs doesn't even have half of those numbers. Pretty amusing.
Imagine having both shit models and not paying artists lol
Can I get a qrd on this?
>>88448917it is not a fine, they didn't pay gov a dime. also ftc only RECOMMEND not demand not order
>>88442134>So this is why Holo members are leaving in droves Because of late payment on rigging? Lmao, the girl getting raped and quitting is more believable than this boring corpo shit.
>>88455674>this person has a bias unlike me who is totally neutral and objective!
>>88442134Cover deserves criticism, but I'm not siding with the OP because they're clearly biased.
>>88457362OP is a retard
>>88460911Well that goes without saying. Honestly I'd welcome ID numbers in this board in particular but it would be funny to see how many of these trash threads avoid getting necro'd by the same 2-3 people.
>>88442281wtf I hate Fauna now?No, I don't. Fuck off, retard.
>>88442134>243 artistsHoly shit they multiplied !
>>88442281The Fauna postHe make to roastHe scream and fightBecause she rightTwo years he cryKeep cry till dieHe seethe and frownHis feet are brown
The recommendation for Coverhttps://www.jftc.go.jp/houdou/pressrelease/2024/oct/241025_cover.htmlThe way it's worded sounds like the talents will be pretty much unable to request changes to any work that is deemed "done" by the artists. This means talents will be forced to accept whatever the end result of a request will be to save money and company face. TL;DR expect more corporate streamlined decisions for content, less talent choices.
>>88463757No idiot, they could request changes but they need to be issued in the proper period of time. Like in any guarantee.Most of the "unpaid" changes were made outside of that period because the cluncked pipeline of Hololive or proper feedback.
>>88463666I need to hear this put through a song AI
>>88442261Hopefully it gets mainstream attention that filian knowingly had and protected a groomer in her discord server so discord and twitch can perma her
>>88463893They could, but you seem to be under impression that the management will change instead of talents getting the stick.It's easier that way. The talent brings in the money, but their extra requests is a minus to that money. Now they have a legal precedent to prevent them from asking extra.
>>88464111twitch promotes that, what do you mean.
>>88464137>but their extra requests is a minus to that moneyagain being obtuse in purpose. the problem of the requests was not being clear and concise.And judging the dates because they were made by one specific Tempus member coffcoffFagnicoffcoffAlso you are forgetting the tweets of こうましろ, artist usually don't ask for extra payment because it hurts their pride don't live up to the expectations.
>>88464111Sorry this world is meant to protect groomers and those that also protect them.
>>88442134Cover should just release the invoices. They wouldn't have to apologize once people find out that 230 of those 243 revisions were a direct result of Vesper being a drama queen about his model, they would never intentionally rip someone off - they aren't a black company like Kurosanji.
>>88442134What does this mean? I can't read japanese. So what mistake is Cover brushing off?
>>88449820mike was on the news for months as she still has people supporting her.
>>88442134Are you a lawyer?
>>88464560I tried figuring out who each case could be referring to. No real luck on the first 2 (too broad), but Case #3 is actually easier to figure out.Case #1: ("revisions done up until Sept. 15, 2022")>New Outfit Reveals Between Oct. - Dec. 2022: 15>October = all of ID Gen. 1, Polka > November = Aqua, StarsJP (all original members sans Aruran)> December = Fauna, Suisei, KroniiCase #2: ("revisions done up until May 23, 2023; completed checks with staff + talent in August 25, 2023")>New Outfit Reveals in Sept. 2023: 3 (Gura, Chloe, Ame)>DEV_IS debuts in Sept. 2023 (5 talents total)Case #3: ("revisions done up until Mar. 22, 2023; talent began using model in April 2023")>New Outfit Reveals in April 2023: 3 (Calli, Mumei, Bae) [The way the write-up is done makes it sound like the talent started to use the model near the beginning of the month, so I would narrow it down more towards Calli or Mumei]
