Is Yagoo going to do something drastic about the current meta their members are figuring out? Because the cat is out of the bag now. They will graduate and start their own career as indies
>>88445384hes gonna drop another line of holostars boxers
>>88445384The meta of becoming irrelevant and then crying about it like kson?
>>88445384i don't know if the EN market could support all of the new indies if this continues to happen
>>88445384They should at least make them sign something that says they can't use the same artists as their hololive character and also they can't use the same hair, body characteristics and colors
Aqua and Ame are too recent, can't tell yet if they'll be able to maintain the same level of success they had in Hololive long term. None of the previous ones were able to.
>>88445503are you saying their fans wouldnt follow them and theyd have to rely on the indie EN market? wtf i thought holo fans were loyal and loved their oshis
>developing country twittard screencap thread
>>88445900pretty much thisalso SEA data plans don't cover twitch so most of the holo fanbase is gone from the get go
You faggots are so retarded. You do this everytime and with time you are proven wrong.
>>88445384Horee shit, is that Sekai no Kojima? (Kojima of the World)
>>88445900>wtf i thought holo fans were loyal and loved their oshiskek ex-holos lose at least 70% of their viewers over the long term, majority of them were never loyal to the vtubers.The biggest challenge is retaining the viewership, most fall off because they lose relevance after dropping off the "box". Contrary to what idiots here think, it's tough keeping up the viewership as a solo content creator.
>>88445384instantly oversaturating the indie market a second time by doing that, and losing the hololive boost honestly just doesn't seem worth it. Sure some would be able to leverage it as a jumping off point to some sort of solo career, and maybe do fine, but what would happen is a lot of the members would instantly fall off in relevancy(couldn't tell you which because it would depend on who went first and their place within hololive)
>>88445384Holofans oshi the company.
>>88445429I don’t get how KSON is irrelevant when half of /vt/ can’t stop posting every single second of their life about her.Poor corpofags trying desperately to say japan grift is still relevant. Machinima is dead again.
>>88447936not the company, I oshi the box.The appeal for me is Hololive; Hololive vtubers, Hololive collabs, Hololive songs, Hololive concerts, Hololive variety, and the Hololive experience.Why would I give a shit about Cover? so long as they aren't giving the Hololive girls a hard time and aren't sleeping at the wheel then I have zero reason to give a shit about them, especially since I don't buy stocks.I'm not the sort to anti people that leave the box (tbf most you see on here are falseflaggers), but I've introspected enough to realize that the experience will never be the same if they leave the box and no longer participate in the ecosystem and have different designs and lore and kayfabe, even if the actress is the same. So I just wish them the best but don't really follow.I have never, not even once, understood why Holoantis try to paint this as a bad thing, considering the box appeal is literally what made Holo big in the first place>>88448308this is also a dumb pov, even to this day there are youtubers working under corporations and streamers under machinima-like enterprises. If you don't think all forms of vtubing will continue to coexist for years and years and years you're just a retarded tribalnig
>>88445900I'm not sure why it's confusing that hololive fans are here for the idol stuff as much as the streams, and if the idol stuff ends there is less incentive to stick around.
>>88448888>not the company, I oshi the boxA distinction without a difference.
>>88449671No there's a huge difference retard, think of Nijifags that still love the people in NijiEN but hate management.If, by some divine fiat, Hololive was bought by another company that did things just like Cover did and Hololive's content remained the same, I'd still follow Hololive. Not to mention the Holobox isn't limited to just Holos, but also the hobolives that they regularly collab with like Ui, Patra, Norio/Tamaki, etc.Think of it like being a fan of a show but not giving too much of a shit about the streaming service or the tv network that airs it.And either way, just to play devil's advocate for the fags that /do/ stan the corp, what exactly is wrong with what they're doing anyway? is it like some sort of moralfag argument you're trying to put forward? cause I'm sure those fags just care about being entertained and aren't as entertained by other companies or indies in the same way
>>88448888>I oshi the boxthat box wasn't invented by cover either. it was lit niconico streamers group doing the same shit they do on the old website but with vtuber avatars
>>88450639exactly, the box could ostensibly be separate from Cover completely
>>88450639This.Literally most of the popular vtubers right now were either friends, friends of friends, colleagues or stream guests. Fucking damn near all of them.All split across Nijisanji, Hololive, 774 and VSPO.There are a few exceptions, completely new faces that got big via proxy of interactions with these people, and others who just did their own things on the sides and got proxy-boosted by being in the same companies. Same shit by anime. I watch both just as equally, regular and vtuber streaming.
>>88450330>think of Nijifags that still love the people in NijiEN but hate management.That's not a win you think it is. If a Nijifag isn't currently boycotting them after the bullshit that happened to not just Selen, but many others, they're a sister, simple as. >Hololive was bought by another company that did things just like Cover did and Hololive's content remained the same, I'd still follow HololiveNope, you would still follow if the content changed. You're still following them after the content changed in the past two years. Hololive of today is a different beast than Hololive of 2018, Hololive of 2020, and Hololive of 2022. It's become commercialized as fuck. There is no longer the feeling of a group of friends fucking around. >Not to mention the Holobox isn't limited to just Holos, but also the hobolives that they regularly collab with like Ui, Patra, Norio/Tamaki, etc.How fucking convenient it is to include indies.>what exactly is wrong with what they're doing anyway?When Selen's termination happened, you saw how the nijisisters acted. Like complete psychos. That's what's wrong with this mindset. Better pray a shitshow like that never befalls Hololive.
>>88451721>no you're lying about what you say you believe in!Idk, kind of sounds like you're trying to either justify anti-ing cover, or you're a tribalfag that hates anything related to corps from the get go.I will continue to oshi the box, there is no moralfag argument that can be spun to convince me that I don't find the things i find entertaining entertaining, nor would there be a point in trying to convince me of a change in feeling when I'm literally a regloss fan that has been the closest gen ever. The box is as strong as it ever wasalso Holo has always been CGDCT + Idol shit, i've been watching since /vyt/ when gamers dropped
>>88445384Selling the company
what new meta? people have always stuck to the same shitposting script every goddamn graduation or termination and none of their clamoring has come to fruition The holos overwhelmingly choose to stay in holo, therefore they must ostensibly see their stay as beneficial. Occam's razor is enough to cut down all of these wild rrats
The only change if any is realizing that they can't push as hard as expected when someone young like Aqua can't feel motivated and that a lot of the top earners are all hags
>>88445384Not every holo is an Aqua. Only a handful of them could pull off a similar stunt without suffering huge losses.
>>88452026half the jps do male collabs
>>88457273I accept your concession
>>88445409What about a line of hololive boxer/panties?
>>88445409Misunderstood this post entirely. I thought Yagoo was hiring Pugilists and just writing off the expense as "Holostars" to avoid anyone from asking questions rather than the actual statement of selling men's undergarments.
>>88445384Dude it's no big deal. Ame is the only one who voluntarily left and immediately reincarnated.
>>88445384QUICK add males to the hololive 6th fest concerts
>>88453446>can't push as hard as expected when someone young>gura>ayame>shion>haachama>neneHave we been watching the same group of girls anon? Because it sure seems like the only "pushing" cover does is for participating in holofes, and a few projects here and there. Otherwise, they appear to be allowed to fuck off for as long as they need.
>>88445384If you run a company like Cover, which is not primarily focused on managing streamers, then you will probably think different. If someone doesn't want to engage in the work that you do at the company, and wants to pursue a streaming career instead then it's better to let them go. It makes no sense to keep people around that just take up resources for minimal productivity.From the perspective of the talents, if they only want to be streamers, then it also makes more sense if they return to being indies. What is clear is that the person behind Mori Calliope would not have the music career she has now if she had been just a streamer. It would also take much more investment on her part and effort to continue as a singer, compared to others that just want to stream.Therefore, Yagoo doesn't need to do anything, because preventing people from leaving would just be a bad idea overall, and those that really further the company will still want to stay.
>>88446582Ex-holos are building their own box outside of hololive right now so that won't happen anymore.
>>88457273attempting to merge CGDCT with REAL (not falseflag and larping fag /here/) unicorn huh?
>>88457805>pantiesimagine
>>88445900Hololive fans' oshi is Cover, just like niji fans' oshi is Anycolor. Notice how both call themselves fans of Hololive and Nijisanji, not fans of a specific member.
>>88460813What box?
>>88464466The ex-holo box
>>88466431You don't understand what a box is.
>>88445384>Because the cat is out of the bag now. They will graduate and start their own career as indiesAgain: that is LITERALLY the point of an idol group. That is the standard operating procedure. That's the goddamn reason why it's called "graduation" in the first place.
>>88448888>I don't love the company, I just love the brand that the company created and managesHoly cognitive dissonance
>>88466693Yes I do. It's a loose group of vtubers who share a large number of their audience.
>>88467753Yeah, you don't.
>>88468726Why don't you define it then?
>>88468779Why should I have to educate you?
>>88469035You're claiming I don't know something when I know I do.
>>88469151think*
>>88469231Nope, know. I know a box is and you don't.
>>88469305I'm fine with you believing that. I'll just remind you that you're wrong and possibly stupid.
>>88469366The ex-holo box is growing and where most holos will end up.
>>88469418Scratch that, definitely stupid.
>>88469498Calling others dumb to mask your fear isn't an effective strategy.
>>88469567My objective is to waste your time with a meaningless argument and my strategy has been very successful so far.
>>88448308>Relevance>VT cryingYou need more numbers in your life
>>88469815It takes me 10 seconds to write a reply so you're not wasting any time. I bet your dick gets hard every time you get a (You) because you're a newfag who doesn't get to talk to people in the real world or anywhere else on the internet.
>>88450639>it was lit niconico streamers group doing the same shit they do on the old website but with vtuber avatarsNo it wasn't.
>>88469904I'm just bored and you seemed dumb enough to engage in a stupid argument, no need to look so deep into it.
>>88470107>hurr durr i was just pretending to be retarded!
>>88470157I wasn't, I just told you the truth and you did the retarded part all by yourself.
>>88470173Oh so you admit to being ACTUALLY retarded.
>>88470215No.
Cover needs to loosen up their perms shit. Nobody wants to stream with that garbage.
>>88470248You just did.
>>88470336Not really.
>>88445384Damn Kojima had a glow up he used to look like ass
>>88470334So what are they supposed to do? Stream first ask questions later?
>>88470050It was and not only that they had all the other who went to niji or other corpos too. It was actually better.
>>88470618No it wasn't. There was no singular niconico streamer group that Cover absorbed and turned into hololive.
>>88470674>absorbednow you're inventing words in your headcanon
>>88457957thought exactly the same thing
>>88470787>autistically focusing on a single word instead of defending your bullshit claimClassic. There was no niconico streamer group and they weren't all friends or friends of friends.
>>88445578one hell of a way to tell anybody sitting on the fence whether they should graduate or not to do it now
>>88470916>streamer groupthat also is an invented headcanon word in your schizo babble.
>>88471041Are you literally retarded and cannot read the posts prior to mine?>>88450639>it was lit niconico streamers group
>>88457957same thing desu
>>88470674>weren't allThat's not what anon said.
>>88471386He said there was a singular niconico streamers group where they were doing all of the same things they're doing right now in hololive. That's a complete lie.
>>88471611I see no lie you're just butthurt.
>>88473027That's literally a lie.
>>88452026You are literally a consumerist.
>>88473590You have no idea what that word means.
>>88474002Yeah yeah buddy I hope 2025 isn't the year Holo becomes Niji.
>>88474215If your mind not hating corpo vtubers = consumerism
>>88470334perms have always been copeits never been a big deal for the ones that care about idol shitand theyve always been able to play on their own or on RMs (like Kiara playing AK on hers)I always laugh at how holoan cannot seem to concieve that people join hololive because they like what it has to offer and don't mind that they can't do some things.Like if I was sponsored by Adidas and they didn't want me using Nike gear, I would not lose sleep over that loss of freedom. I find the compensation adequate, and the gear won't hinder my performance. Shouldn't be so hard to understand.Holoan look at shit way too cynically but also aren't thinking things through well enough, they see people like Suisei and Miko, see their numbers, and wonder why the don't just strike out on their own. Not realizing they actually like the box and the shit Cover can do for them. Same thing with the EN girls and thinking they all want to be like lazy twitch streamers and that they don't want to actually do music and idol stuff.If hololive was in the gutter and the talents were miserable, they may have an argument, but as it is, antis just look like dumbfucks.
>>88445384He's gonna graduate all the females and make it into a CBDCT company with all boys. Finally.
