SOTY Mouse Edition Welcome to /mouse/ - Ironmouse General!Mouse did a sponsor for life is strange earlier. She enjoyed it enough and said she might play it again. She also finished going through the Streamer Award nominations. For now she is finishing up her spooky bideo queue and who knows what she'll do after. This is the thread to discuss Ironmouse and her streams. Please avoid discussions that are not relevant to Mouse or her streams.Image Source: Mouse's StreamMouse: https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouseYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/@IronMousePartyVODS: https://www.youtube.com/@IRONMOUSEVODSTiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ironmouseTwitter: https://x.com/ironmouseOther: https://pastebin.com/XsNqWKLpRelated Threads:VShojo+ General: /vsj+/Previous Thread: >>88393693
>>88488642
don't give yous to the monkesperg dude is having a fucking meltdown currently
why aren't we talking about the backrooms?
>>88489387cute
>>88489527new thread
>>88489527Did you know they're spooky?
>>88488642FILIAN YOU FUCKING HARLOT
>>88489704That's a different award.
>>88490026ESL? If she says her favorite streamer is some vtuber people will make drama. It is her safety to say him.
Self delete because wrong? Or are we blessed by a janny to delete the sperging?
>>88490209her favorite vtuber is mori and marine watch streams
quit feeding the cuck sperg
Kayoot teaser\https://bsky.app/profile/jjinomu.bsky.social/post/3l7p2iqbo3k2v
>>88490641S3 my beloved
Sorry but Backrooms is ass.
>>88490817why do keep coming here sperg?
>>88490817If mouse is watching it, it's good.
>>88490817Come back closer to December. Backroom/horror type react is an all year thing, but this is it's dedicated month, plus some into most of November.
I like Chibi Goddess. She did a good job it is cute
>>88491044I am so ready for Christmas Mouse
>>88491605Has she mentioned if the debut for it is still November 1st?
Lmao now this is content
>insert screenshot of stream here
>brony shit
My brain is melting
Mouse makes me gnut
Mouse used to say we would be covered in ghost jizz when talking about this in the past
>>88493595looping
Mouse is boring today
this is fucking my brain pussy
mouse is cute today
Mouse should do more cursed and funny tiktok streams. This shit is funny
https://www.youtube.com/@IronMouseClips
https://www.youtube.com/@MouseClipsOfficial
>>88494940>>88495005ok which one is it?
>>88495137The one that was created yesterday and not 2022
gn love Mouse
Just when I thought the stream couldn’t get worse…
>>88495005What's up with her using the Brat Princess for the recent stuff? Some of you have your reasons for liking it or not. I think it looks weird because it has no teeth, all gum and flesh fang.
>>88496525once again no spooky games and instead something boring
>>88496632spooky game would be boring
>no BLTs
>>88496715they’d be better than tcg and minecraft. her game selection has been ass
>>88496787tcg sucks, but also does much lower effort garbage spooky games
Need a 'its been x days since someone whined about her game choice' edit but I guess it would never go past 1
>>88496894its fair when its only been sim and craft slop. the sponsor was better
>>88496632Nvm i thought she was gonna watch that awful parkour Minecraft video
>>88496928You're wrong and retarded
>>88497123i’m correct and you shouldn’t admit you have the taste of a 5 year old on an 18+ board
great tour mouse now how about something other than 8 hours of minecraft before you go to bed
>>88497238Why are you here? Just to whine?
>>88497169Still wrong and still a retard
>>88497253yes, i’d like mouse to play a non shit game this week after hours of tcg and minecraft
>>88497304It's been over a month since the last MC stream, why are you trying to bait with this?
>>88497260sure thing self admitted predator
>>88497334wow its almost like mouse has weeks straight of nothing but garbage game addictions and we’re starting another season of tcg and minecraft
>the minecraft fags a doxfagclassic
>>88497412>>88497304>>hours of tcg and minecraft>>and minecraftyou're either ESL or don't watch streams, why are you trying to bait people like this?
>>88497537close the tab
>>88497487you must be esl when you didn’t even understand the word starting but hey 30 hours of minecraft and tcg in 3 streams will sure be great as it continues into this week
>>88497605Don't lump Minecraft and TCG. Thanks.Lump scary game and TCG.
>>88497691no, mineshit is as bad as every sim game
>>88497725sims and horror are steam shovelware dogshitanything good is too long
>>88497833good news for you then, shes started 3 separate highly rated horror games in mouthwashing, dead space, and silent hill 2. there’s even the alien isolation dlc thats even a sub goal for her to play
>>88498147>mouthwashingmeh
Mouse don't lie you are not gay or pan. You're Welshsexual
>>88499059she once again confirmed she is married to the job one day you might listen to her
>>88499102She also told you to kys Connorsperg
>>88499128ironic
Between the shipsisters and the monkesperg this thread has become annoying lately. I hope Mouse doesn't still visit here and see this shit. Cringe all around.
>>88499666fuck off
>>88497253we need that image of all the the stuff spergs complain about with the fat brown wojak in the middle wearing the mythic hat. I don't have it anymore. It's the one that has the "they're legit criticisms" joke on it
>>88499666Most of the shipsister are just shitposting and it's easy to tell but this one monkesperg is actually mentally ill, when you leave him alone he goes away but when he get his attention he start having meltdowns. It was worse during subathon it's definitely more chill now
nice voting engagement
>>88500067your shit is bugged
>>88500042Eh both ignore what Mouse says and spam the thread with cringe. At least the monkesperg tires himself out quickly and is assumedly only one dude.
>>88500042>>88500139none of you are worth any more of my time only mouse gets that
mouse only reads my posts
>>88499666You are correct. Thread was quite good for a few weeks into the subathon but then the spergs and whiners had to ruin it as usual.
>>88500139It will keep going unless mouse goes on another shipping rant which isn't going to happen
>>88500885even if it did happen they wouldn't believe her. mouse has all but said directly that they will never be a thing but sisters confuse her enjoyment of teasing and acting tsun as real romantic feelings. they forget that she's been playing that role since soon after they met. the only thing that has changed is that they have become actually close friends now.
Wait
This thread sucks, no one’s actually talking about the stream and only arguing about spergs
>>88502821Do something
>>88502821card shiny ummmmmmm ooooo stinky get out my store for the 900th time
Guys
>>88504157Welp it’s over
The chibi looks pretty nice
I'm trying to learn how to draw, wish me luck guys
>>88504312line art is a bitch good luck
>>88504551I'll try my best
so much tcg trash is mouse dealing with irl shit again?
the vod retard got fired
>>88506114the irl problems never go away
>>88506190Oh that's why the videos say part # now and the chatting isn't completely cut out. I like that one is like replays dead space part #.
We'll finally have a clipping channel with actual mouse content instead of one spamming ship bait. Though now I wonder if mouse will stop purposefully going for bait chips now.
>>88506374the clipper will be forced to upload things like card sim and she’ll wonder why in a few months the clipper quits after making no money and sees no channel growth
>>88506374she farms them and she better do actual content if she wants clips and not boring sim shit.
>>88506374That isn't bait though, when she says something, that is the actual content and funny. The cringe is someone making stuff up and weird thumbnails.I hope the clips aren't crazy on the editing. I want clips like what VtubersOOC does with simple cuts. Or some of her rants and conversations. Anything small that is funny that might not make a good standalone clip throw into a compilation. Also, cutting by dead air cuts comedic timing for so many moments that end up being unfunny in a finished video because of it.
>>88506687I mean when she says stuff on purpose to get clipped the kind of things monke calls her out on.
>>88506687mouse struggles with actual content
>>88506860are you trying to say people wont want to see clips of her roaming minecraft and opening card packs? noooo impossible
>>88506374Don't worry, Monke will soon be a faded memory. He has taken a board position for GeeXPlus, meaning he's going to be way busier now. We will probably never see him on Mouse streams now.
>>88506562She streams more than enough to have zero sim stuff. I don't care much for sims, but plenty of funny stuff came from bodega streams that don't exist because the video Supermarket Sim on her channel was from her very first stream. Which was the least interesting one because she was learning the game. They also like to put a lot of menuing in her videos for some reason. All I need is her yelling some weird funny shit. I don't care about her putting cereal or cards on a shelf or buying tables and paying rent.She'll probably get a video of this and it will also probably be her first stream when it really should be maybe a little bit before then after the Vshojo mod.
>>88507056it's almost like they have phones and personally talk offline with more personal stuff and not on stream with retards like you being a sad petty loser.
>>88507229nearly 50hrs of this and it's been boring when I go through vod I skip it
>>88507296good they should do that permanently so i never have to see or hear that ass again
>>88500478Almost as if their goal is to get people to give up on the thread because they hate Mouse. Just ignore dumb shit and post about Mouse. Whining about them only fills the thread with more toxicity.
Mouse hates it.
my position on this game has been reversed because I too have a crippling addition to opening card packs but have enough restraint to not buy things myself. watching mouse do it is enough for me especially since she's not wasting real money on it
>>88507353you will hear him and seethe like the little bitch you are
>>88508295You're gone
>>88508416nah I'm just getting used to it, additionally mouse is doing some awesome chatting with this as the background so it's what a lot of people wanted isn't it? like this conversation right now with her discussing ways to work out and making plans for her future, it makes my heart fill with joy. sometimes she'll go silent when too focused on minecraft but this is so brain off that she's very chatty
I wonder if mouse has gotten more comfortable with people potentially recognizing her.
>>88508506What
>>88508528positivity confuses you, I understand. I hope your day becomes better!!
>>88508571I said you're gone referring to your addiction to opening cards. you should rest
>>88508506>doing some awesome chatting with thiswhere?
>>88508849I can tell you've muted the tab because this is almost identical to a lot of solo chatting sessions
https://x.com/7_mochi_mochi_7/status/1851539662415986723
>>88508890that is not true at all
>>88508890Or more likely it is a threadshitting tourist. The minecraft and chatting has been great.
>>88508849>wow cards>halloween mention for the 5th time>go away chatterrinse and repeat
>>88509075this isn't mc.....
It's funny how if someone said the same in english she wouldn't have reacted the same way
>>88509303she basically just referenced that saying how in latina culture it is normalized and they are desensitized to it. it is interesting how just speaking in spanish vs english changes how you view things even if it is the same thing.
>>88509303It is interesting the difference is words versus how you would say it, but even then, not quite the same.
>>88509419Culture is huge too. So many things you would never say in one culture are normal in another. One of the things that can make online chatting awkward sometimes.
>i remember who was nice to me and who wasn't. I remember.>i don't hold grudgesClassic
>>88510250>Latina
>>88510297>>88510250It's that southern Euro mix.
that seemed like a very tame pikamee joke... like basically nothing. like a wink, not negative. henya must have a lot of negative feelings she doesn't share publicly if mouse is that hostile about the most neutral mention ever
>>88510386it probably isn't even just henya. remember mouse talks to a lot of people behind the scenes. she knows way more than anyone about the shit everyone goes through. it was a minor joke but as mouse said she is tired dealing with everything about this.
>>88510386>henya must have a lot of negative feelings she doesn't share publiclyShe did share her frustrations once. And she ended up deleting the VOD.
>>88510386Yeah i thought the same. Its the same type of joke about Hime. Didn't seem malicious just tongue in cheek
>>88510386Its a stupid joke that goes beyond her. The whole not being able to mention their previous role due to NDA is toxic and needs to die. And because they are under NDA people making those jokes are being dicks about it.
>>88510445I saw that one but that was more people harassing her that she didn't go to somewhere else, not that she used to exist as something else>>88510450exactly
>>88510450Totally different because there is no issue with her saying anything about her other name outside of vtubing. And if she or someone else slips its a joke, and funny, because the corpo issue is stupid.
>>88510534>that was more people harassing her that she didn't go to somewhere elseThe time she talked about it she was very openly frustrated about having to pretend the ~three years spent as Pikamee didn't exist because of the "culture" around JP vtubing.
>>88510587Then Mouse is misdirecting her anger. Don't snap at a chatter making a tongue in cheek joke about vtuber personas and call out the companies
>>88510718Companies aren't going to change, individuals can learn to change
>>88510669Western audience doesn't actually care about that. Is she worried her JP fans do?
>>88510718Only part was at the chatter, which was right because he was making the dumb joke that makes Henya uncomfortable. The rest was about the topic in general.
I'll play on you mouse iyky
>>88510743Companies will change if they face enough blowback. But that requires speaking up about it
>>88510852You act like Mouse hasn't constantly called out how much she hates graduatations and the culture behind it.
>>88510793it isnt a fan thing, its the companies, they sign shit that they cant talk about ithow voms is different from holo or niji is unknown
>>88510836But that chatter probably didn't know. Maybe Mouse should calmly explain that comments like that are hurtful to Henya instead of just snapping. Honey vs vinegar
mouse trading cards, decora cardigan, and potentially apari plushie coming out next week
>>88510865But not the companies
>>88510890He knew he was being cheeky with the joke, that it made Henya uncomfortable? Maybe not, but she isn't going to be cutesy and nice about stuff like that.
>>88510915She showed the Apari plushie, It's a keychain I think that is her in a Mouse onesie. Also previously mentioned and I think showed the cardigan. The trading cards were hinted at with winks and talking around it, but I was surprised that she straight up said it.
U guys r dum
>>88510994We have a ton of tongue in cheek jokes about Bubi and Monke and Hime and her grandma so people probably just see it as normal. If Mouse doesn't like that because it is hurtful to Henya and Kuro she should just explain it. The rant on the chatter was lame.
>>88511086She already talked about the trading cards, showing off the artist and I think she showed a sample but I might be remembering wrong.
Even petes calling out mouses trash game choices
>>88511146Actually I think you're right. I vaguely remember seeing that, but I might have been half asleep.
oh nice we get buckshot with pete instead of connor nice
>>88511184Game choices:Anything Connor has confirmed that he doesn't want to play
>>88511263>>88511244
>>88511244he declined to play or you will get both
D2 with Mouse would be pain. I can't imagine her managing potions well.
>>88511263pretty much. nice to know she tries pawning off the same garbage games on her friends as she does chat
>>88511244He is probably too busy for her again
>>88511141>The rant on the chatter was lame.your joke was lame
>>88510250She remembers her best friend Silvervale.
>fully aware that bringing shit up makes member uncomfortable.>Still brings it up>Mouse gets annoyed >Wow that was lame MouseSome of you have serious brain damage
>>88510890Nah, fuck that guy.
https://x.com/strawbysake/status/1850960157435363440/
>night after night of hours upon hours of kino chatting all because of a based dumbass card shop simulatortruly we are blessed
>>88511420Fighting ghosts
>>88511575>kino>so bad even her friends call her out
>>88511702No one called her out for TCG Shop.
>>88511671>ghostsWas the chatter murdered? Because he was right there in chat before.
>>88511768pete just did for minecraft, roblox, and sim slop
>>88511771Strawman
>>88511792For co-op game choices, not her solo game choice retard. TCG Shop isn't even co-op.
>>88511840Murdered and put in a cornfield, you say?
>>88511866thats still sim slop retard but plenty of chatters called it boring today too so you ignore reality all you want i guess
hopefully whatever game mouse mentioned better than mario to pete is only just the two of them pete keeps trying to add connor to their collabs and it is getting annoying
>>88511887Boogeyman
>>88511920>ignore realityno one called it boring and i have logs
>>88511671>>88511840>>88512004Are you the one that fed this stupid lingo to Silverfag to copy?
>>88512004He scared children before being murdered and buried in a cornfield?
>>88512069she had to go on the “you don’t have to be here” rant again during tcg but sure keep lying
>>88512127[08:17:11] darkwolf7385: Never played Minecraft ...[08:17:11] darkwolf7385: Maybe 10 hours but ITS boring[08:17:11] darkwolf7385: I mean Minecraft mouse^^
>>88512127Why the fuck did you have stream open?
>>88512182sure now add in messages like “did this really turn into a pack opening stream lol” and you’ll finally understand why she went on the rant
>>88512119It came to you in a dream
>>88512282go outside bro, get some fresh air
>>88511948I know you are just sperging but unironically does anyone ever get the feeling Pete feels awkward alone with Mouse? I've noticed multiple times he makes excuses to mute and be alone with his chat during their collabs when they could just be talking and he does keep trying to do things with all 3 of them instead of 1 on 1.
>>88512334Many streamers feel the need to mute and talk to their chat for a bit, he isn't the only one.
>>88512282More like, the guy said the same thing, "Never played Minecraft ..."Maybe 10 hours but ITS boring" twice in a row within 30 seconds.
>>88512508“chatters saying things about MY lazy game choices? me, ironmouse??? no, its the chatters who are out of touch and definitely not a repeating cycle every couple of months when i give up”
>>88512766I'd like something other than sims, but you really should not watch or listen for your sanity.
I'll post this since no one didhttps://x.com/ironmouse/status/1851570286409158990
>>88513644What a hero
>>88513770well I went to check if there's any discussion about this and all the thread is just filled with same groundhog day shenanigans. Next time I 'll ask for a medal
>>88513644Oh she is gonna cover it???
>>88513906Ungrateful bastard
>>88510890>Haha look at me I'm bringing up a thing you usually won't talk about and even though it's getting old and annoying at this point I'll do it anyways because I'm just so cheekyNo he was a colossal faggot and deserved worse even if he didn't know how Henya feels about the matter. Also Mouse being protective of Henya isn't a bad thing, stop whiteknighting random dipshits in chat. They'll live.
>>88513906Hippity hop my love
>>88513906I hope this upcoming 3d model is the one she is releasing to the public
>>88514093Retard
>>88513644Dandadan cover, brought to you by razer
>>88514093were you even watching? the conversation context was that mouse has been around for a long time and a lot of big name vtubers in that era that aren't around now. the guy said something as neutral as "I wonder what pikamee is up to". an in context joke because pikamee is a name that is no longer being used. your response to that is batshit
>>88514259AI shilling in a cover will be a new experience
>>88513906It's unfortunate there are 2 dedicated schizos that shit up the threads and drive away actual fan discussion. The monkesperg and the hatewatchibg anti who just shits on everything Mouse does and spams it all thread. He did the same in vsj and now he's migrated. Vei also had a hate watching anti in vsj when she was popular and it is sad to see now Mouse has one. But I'll just keep posting positive things because Mouse is great and her streams make me happy.
>>88514960I miss cute happy mouse and monke. We don't get this as much unless she is zooted.
>>88514330Now this is what I call rent free
Ironmouse needs a new chat mascot.
>>88515523I don't. Hope he gets bogged down by his new responsibilities and can never stream with Mouse again.
https://x.com/hoshilivecorp/status/1851655309833453994Interesting cover coming out of Devil
>>88507056>>88518378I see you are the guy who said early he got a something new on geexplus, i like connor and i try to watch all streams and keep up with what he is doing, i was wondering how the heck did you know that. Then i went to check that shithole and you are even reading the TT subreddit, why don't you just admit you are gay for connor nobody will judge you lil bro
>>88521550actually obsessed lol
>>88521697It's always funny how the spergs always know everything he is doing even more than the people who actually like him, obsessed don't begin to describe
>>88521550wait so that guy was telling the truth fuck yes hope he is too busy to ever collab again
Too obvious
>>88522999Really?
>>88523218No, he's just upset that we tell the truth of the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT9yQYT9wu4from vsj thread new group song premiering in less than an hour
>>88523947I will be there
Meow
https://x.com/YuArima2/status/1851680515545534637
No
>>88523947Neat. Geega still refuses to sing.
You were only a stepping stone
https://x.com/akameiwu/status/1851723311564362214
It's over
We're so back
Don't
>>88523294get sleep loser permanently if possible
>>88534894rain on my paradehttps://youtu.be/Y-yU2IhAXbk?si=TuwZrwggMSb8BbV5
>>88535109No.
https://x.com/akigashi_i/status/1851753447156257201
PUTA WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>88537867maybe 2hrs before her collab soon
>>88537867mel is starting her cb stream soon so expect at least a couple of hours of mouse gooning to that first
https://x.com/luyuluyu_/status/1851763998250930206A lot of twitch witch art coming out
>>88539060ipad session watchalong I'm so jealous of them
>>88539143It's so cute
So did SOTD get silently cancelled again? There should've been a question submission tweet by now right?
>>88539688Mouse said yesterday that it had to be moved to November because Gun is too busy atm.
>>88539742Thank fuck, I'm away this weekend
>>88537996The rosco collab got cancelled so maybe no rat today? Or maybe late rate? Idk.
>>88540174*late rat
>>88540174my guess would be plasma day maybe
>>88540174the desire to not play dead space was stronger than the grooming collab
>>88540174That meeting probably did end up being today or surprise plasma day. Which dashes any hope of Silent Hill or Dead Space today, but that already wasn't going to happen because she was going to continue that parkour horror game and TCG Sim.
>>88540397yeah I thought it was usually on wednesdays?? don't wanna tell mouse how to live her own life since she knows best but maybe scheduling collabs on the day she's most likely to be in bad shape should try and be avoided. shame cause I was looking forward to this one
>>88540621it's random
>>88540621It's whenever she can get it and the nurse decides to show up. But it was mostly around the first half of the week during subathon.
Well what ever is going on I hope Mouse doing good.
>>88544495shes probably getting plasma she didn't sound that sick before she ended to end up canceling
mouse going to be with bf today no mouse stream
>good morning. i just woke up and im not feeling my best. i will not be streaming tonight but i will be on connor's channel as a tiny grumbling gremlin. i will be back tomorrow for halloween!!!
>>88545476feel better rat
>>88545159>>88545476Fucking trash.
>>88545476So is she gonna play Corekeeper on Connor's stream instead and throw another sub goal out the window? I don't really care about that one, but it would be dumb if she did.
>>88546424As long as you are upset, I am happy.
>>88546370get mad while she gets to be happy with her monke
>>88546690Final stream together, he's going to be too busy for her very soon.
>>88544495She has a recurring condition called "I can't stream over Connor outside of marathon streams", it comes back every few months and she'll cancel collabs and scam her audience out of charity goals over it.
https://x.com/VShojo/status/1851800171367006440onahole model released
>>88550121another sub goal completed
>>88550121
>>88550674Nope
https://x.com/chosmahe/status/1851801221218406605
GO LIVE YOU FUCKIN RA- I MEAN MONKE
>>88550121GET FUCKED COOMERS HAHAH MEME 3D MODEL TAKE THAT LOSERS! its so over it hurts...
>>88550674>>88552579until the goal gets marked completed I'm going to assume this is not the model for it
>>88552129morning Ipad session please understand
>>88553084delusional
Guessing this is a his night Mouse's morning type stream
>>88545476See you tomorrow bro, feel better
>>88553003I'm going tts and thank mouse for releasing the model so she can mark it off
I hope she at least uses her model this time.
I hope she does what is most comfortable for her.
my BF is live come watch us have fun and make retards seethe :)
>>88560181Will do Mouse hope you have fun. Don't torture Monke too much
Connor mom and dad are gonna watch them playing, behave mouse
>>88561153Gonna be curious if she's more tame today kek
So is Monke Giris boss now lol
Mouse (and Mata) are gonna be singing tomorrow during Mint's 3.0 debut
>>88562045No guarantee it is mouse. Could be Numi
New Mouse model debut on Monke's channel kek
What the heck
New Decora model
>bratty tsundere decora chibigoodness gracious
Since they are playing today does this mean we get mouse all to ourselves tomorrow?
She really likes the decora model
>>88562506I don't think her and Mint have ever interacted or mentioned each other.
mouse and monke just BTFO the monkesperg again kek
Mouse finally grew
MONKESPERG DON'T LOOK
HELL YEAH IMAGINARY FRIEND WITCH OF TWITCH
She's got a gun
>>88563002Aside from them both having mentioned each other on their respective streams a few times and Mouse having had Pomu on SOTD, Mouse brought Mint around the minecraft server personally, where yes, they did speak to each other the entire time.
>>88563391Didn't they mean numi?
>>88563482oh, well disregard that I suck cocks
>>88563567really?
They fucking
>>88563690with those long legs nah
With hat
now seems like a good time to remind you mouse recently said she is single and married to her career ie us
>>88564165Delusional
>>88564165shes married to Bubi anon just don't tell Monke
>>88564165she's married to TCG card shop simulator
>>88564165And nyan is a lesbian.
>>88564165Do a flip.
>>88564461Was only 99%. Aethel just slipped in that 1%. Mouse is 100% single
she sounds so kyoot
>>88564801This is what it is like if you pulled up to a Wendy's and Mouse was on the intercom. I'd pull around and buy another meal
>>88564641Indeed ironmouse will be forever single, the person behind her it's a different story
>>88564942don't worry mouse has been very clear since she said that that the person behind her will also forever be single so there is no longer any confusion
New thread>>88565204>>88565204>>88565204
>>88565164Please go and stay gone. From life.
>>88565253you are just angry you can't hide behind something mouse said once years ago thankfully she is finally clearing that up for us even if it was obvious already
