One day I'd like to know what made her think the black stream was a good idea

>>88515944
The black stream was obviously imposed by completely out of touch Japanese managers and she knew if she didn't do it, she'd go from being their favorite to their shitlist / suspension. It wasn't a moral choice but it was a rational one.
What I want to know is why the other two dingdongs agreed to be there

>>88516261
>still trying to do the "muh gun to head" cope when it's been made abundantly clear that they did it out of their own free will and still don't believe they did anything wrong
Gee I wonder why they agreed to be there, it couldn't possibly because they actually believed what they were saying right? I'm sure some faceless suit told Vox to ramble about some random time Selen "recorded him" to vilify her. Retard.

>>88515944
Echo-chamber mentality alongside the rest of the clique, lack of respect in her viewers' intelligence, belief that western audiences would take in those messages without resistance like the Japanese, the fact that it worked with Zaion, overconfidence in her (and Vox's) charisma and ability to sway le masses, butthurtness at Niji's declining reputation and desperation to justify themselves, plain ol' stupidity, a genuine (retarded) belief that Selen had slighted them, and pettiness.

>>88516261
>It wasn't a moral choice but it was a rational one.
Nah, it was a moral choice. If your company is telling you to do what she did, even if she had the complete and utter irrefutable proof that "Selen faked it", she would've known that not a single person outside of the company would have believed that in todays society. And we all know Elira doesn't have complete and utter proof of that either, because the only person who does is God himself.

>>88516261
Nah, Riku had his apology video 2 hours after the black screen stream and it was a 180 when you compare the two
doesn't make sense to release contracting videos so close to one another

>>88517059
you can just look at the success rate of female suicide attempts and realize it's less than 1%
most aren't even injured despite attempting to kill (you'd think this would involve inflicting some damage) themselves and this one was streaming regularly a month after "attempting" twice

>>88515646
hey add vox and ike to that too

I want to know who came up with the black stream idea.

>>88516261
if it was an idea from jp management they wouldn't have had it overlap with riku-sama's statement, and certainly not before him either
elira actually is just that retarded and evil

>ruins
She did nothing of the sort, she simply followed tradition, JP side is equally if not more fucked, but the JP side loves to suck corpo dick so it doesn't seem that ruined

>>88518335
Elira did. She almost succeeded in getting tons of gullible retards to think le management "forced" them to do it, thereby avoiding consquences.
But they just couldn't contain their own sociopathy properly and went too far, the sniping of Doki's stream - even moving their own scheduled airing to overlap with Doki's moved stream -, Vox's rant about some irrelevant recording, etc. made it way too obvious that they were being malicious.

>>88516969
Only reason it worked with Zaion was she was only an organ for one month.

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>>88515646
It was already ruined years ago, the truth just didn't come out until they completely flopped doing PR for the Selen situation.
They basically let Eliera influence everything going on in the branch, which is retarded beyond believe because that led to massive amounts of favoritism to certain people, while others like Selen just got completely ignored or blocked at every turn.

There has never been a good example of a vtuber becoming staff or a manager, it always ends up bad.

>>88518724
You can even hear her breaking character and chuckling at some of the lines she was reading

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>>88519020
>There has never been a good example of a vtuber becoming staff or a manager

>>88519020
Pretty true.
>clique rrat
>black company rrat
>incompetenent management
>organs are horrible people
Most of this wasn't just a credible rrat but ouright confirmed since long before the Selen fiasco, but normalfags wouldn't hear it. It's why to this day I think the dramatubers were a necessary evil because Nijisisters have fucking mastered the art of sweeping yabs under the rug and avoiding the public eye.

To this day it still boggles my mind that they managed to get away with abruptly axing a hyped EN concert, AFTER flying the organs to japan to record, blatantly lying about the reasons, and getting publicly blasted by Luxiem of all people for their lie. And it amounted to fucking 0 backlash. Shu got so depressed he had to take an extended break. But nope, no normaltard gave a shit.

>>88516261
>why the other two dingdongs agreed to be there
Because they were blackmailed with their past as nonces and groomers.

>>88519476
I watch Dizzy myself and love her so much as a vtuber, but lets be real she was not a good manager at all. One look at her meta streams proves that she had no idea what the fuck she was doing and gave bad advisement.
Being a good friend and a good manager are 2 entirely different things.

>>88517200
>>88518562
Bold of you to assume the left hand knew what the right was doing.
>>88517059
That's what I meant, she took an immoral but rational choice because the company was going to self-destruct one way or the other but this way she stayed in management's good graces. I'm not saying she's not retarded or evil but no canadian would ever think up the black screen stream, that came down from on high. Or, like, on mid if Riku is on high.

>>88515944
Unshakeable belief that Steinana's counterattack would turn the tide.

>>88515646
I'm weirdly attracted to her after that whole backstabbing arc. Still won't watch her though.

>>88516261
>Elira was just a victim!
Lol. Nah that bitch jumped on the chance to dump on her former coworker.

>>88516261
Bro, Reimu and Twisty literally made multiple not so subtle jabs at suicide attempts or jokes after Selen's termination. Majority of them are rotten to the core and awful people that still think they did nothing wrong.
The fact they published that video and thought it would be accepted by the majority of people, then the whole vtuber community, artists and even normalfags supporting Doki instead of them must have been a world shattering event for them. Nobody shows up to their events or watches them anymore.

>>88515646
She will have her redemption arc. Just you all wait.

>>88515944
shes actually delusional enough to think the public would side with her, unfortunately for her this is not nijiJP where nijisisters is more widespread and normalized

>>88515646
she only wanted to keep her job

>>88520584
So did the guards at Auschwitz.

>>88516261
I've noticed this same logic is never applied to Zaion's wavemates, even though they'd have had even less ability to go against management at the time. Really makes me think.

>>88520403
>She will have her redemption arc
For that you actually need to learn from your mistakes

I forgive her because she was drawn with a nice rack.

>>88521463
You are based.

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>>88520153


>Bold of you to assume the left hand knew what the right was doing.

Well, that's exactly the point; EN might as well be the elira cliques private reserve. The people running nijisanji in the first place including and especially riku himself don't really care about the business they are doing, this general tenor of lack of conscientiousness spreads out to everything in general with respect to what happens under the nijisanji umbrella.
Because noone gives a shit, they are perfectly fine with elira herself, being bilingual, performing double duty as the only point of contact between jp management and en operations.
She's the choke point, the gatekeeper, the general secretary. Everything there is about NijisanjiEN can be said to be things she either personally agreed with or pushed for herself to begin with.
Which, of course, includes things like the buraku streamu, too.

why did she do it
wasnt she friends with mint before niji en was even a thing?

>>88521698
Not all friendships last forever and this is one that I'm fairly sure Mint has ended.

>>88521698
>Mint has ended
Based, I would have done the same given the circumstances and seeing Elira's true colors

>>88521889 (me)
Meant for>>88521807

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>>88521698
alas, Mint found out.

>>88521335
The logic is not applied to elira and vox either, most people hate them. As for zaion, she has gone on record shit talking them and has more affinity with a certain sort of people.

>>88521994
found what out tho

>>88521335
People only hate hex out of 3 because he is a male. Although enna was probably responsible for that too.

>>88521994
Why "alas"?

>>88519476
Sakana literally said her advice is ALWAYS WRONG and he does the opposite of everything she tells him to!
She went out of her way to specifically tell him NOT to hire half the current roster!

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>>88515646
>>88520307
It's not just me? I was never interested in her beforehand, but she's somehow really hot now. She's really built up that evil woman rape correction energy.

>anons who never watched nijisanji

>>88522290
Can anyone decipher this word salad of a post?

The funny thing is that one of the biggest thing that was holding back the clique rrat (which is literally years old) originally was the argument that
>Elira is such a sweet person, there's no way she'd be the boss of a sociopathic highschool clique!

>>88523023
>most anons

>>88519476
Dizzy is a great warehouse worker. Easily the best chuuba for Phase based on that alone.

>>88523034
>Out of the three genmates who spoke against Zaoin after her terminattion, /vt/ only hates Hex
>This is because Hex is a male and the others are female
>Enna is reponsible for Hex being a male

>>88523589
She made a man out of him in japan

>>88517059
Why, it worked with Sayu, didn't it?

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>>88515944
>Millie and Enna: ELIRA HELP THAT PURPLE BITCH IS TRYING TO SUE US
>Elira in the discord: GUYS I NEED HELP
>The 3 stooges gather up
>Elira: Uh uh so Selen is suing Millie and Enna and...
>Vox: *thoroughly brushes through other people's medical records*
>Ike: *bottle crinkles intensify*

>>88523023
>Normal people

>>88522290
>People only hate hex out of 3 because he is a male.
That's certainly a contributing factor, but people also defend Vox along with Elira (and mostly forget about Ike lmao). In other words, it's most likely based on popularity, who gets exonerated and who doesn't. All the more reason Elira and Vox could have gotten away with, and should have, fucked around during the black stream like Ike did, or at least undermine it afterwards, and all the more reason to find them suspicious for never doing that.
>Although enna was probably responsible for that too.
Is there proof she made Hex slander Zaion? It's my rrat that management at least had a hand in that, so if there's anything to support it I'd like to hear it.

>>88516261
it was so poorly thought out and presented you cannot say in good faith any management (that was already fighting legal battles) would make their talent post that video slandered someone

>>88524741
To be fair, considering the hit piece, disguised as a termination note that they put out with Zaion and attempted with Selen, it's very easy to see management being that stupid.

>>88524741
>>88524867
They say never to assume malice when stupidity will suffice, but sometimes the best answer is both.

>>88515944
she was either given false information or ACTUAL information and thought that making the black screen stream would be the ultimate GOTCHA moment because she lives in her own little world where shes on top and no one can touch her and she has no consequences

>>88515646
the whole black screen stream proved either that elira is management or that management was sharing PRIVATE information with the streamers which is a huge red flag
the fact riku had to film his apology and bow before the camera means that actual management didn't know about the black screen stream, meaning elira, vox and ike thought it was a great idea to do it

>>88524211
>The Canadian lawyer forgot the bottle guy's name FOUR times.
Kek

>>88523023
noone watches nijisanji

>>88524867
What some gullible fucks don't realize is that the smear campaign and character assassination IS THE POINT. It's not an accident, it's not a byproduct, it's not collateral damage, it's literally the intended purpose. The terminated talent is discredited by any and all means necessary so that the termination is 1000% justified and nobody even thinks to question Nijisanji being the good guy.
And they did the same thing to Mirei Gundou as well, which is kinda funny in its own way because she WAS a yab machine but they tolerated all of it until "muh baseball".

>>88521698
Anon, I've spent hours playing l4d and vermintide with friends I no longer speak to because I stopped playing those games. They pop up on my friends list and I never talk to them at all.

>>88524584
I watched kyrio a bit here and there and he appeared to be a lot more retarded and submissive than what I thought hex was. And then hex was talking about how he turned to enna for advice when going through stuff during a stream on may. What event before that could have possibly led him to seek advice from a senpai?

>>88525235
This. Their friendship was greatly exaggerated by lazulight. Her friends have always been Enna and millie

>>88525402
This. Noone wanted to be friends with a clearly traitorous menhera westoid like shint.

>>88525512
Wait that's not what I said.

>>88525332
I'd wonder if this is why he said he despised Enna that one time but there's an infinite list of possible reasons for that
>a lot more retarded and submissive than what I thought hex was
That sounds cute as fuck. I wish he didn't stream at like 3am here so I could actually watch him. Does he have stream archives anywhere?

>>88521578
Some day when I'm browsing YouTube on my death bed I hope there's a 60 mins episode about the whole truth.

>>88515646
Okay but seeing how Niji will no doubt try and release another EN wave to fill up the spaces of those who quit.

How many Hanamori people who haven't joined a corpo yet are still remaining?

>>88516261
She was putting on her best crying performance.

>>88519476
She's the one who's responsible for the mixed-gen in Tsunderia

>>88525512
Lol and nobody wants traitorous menhera "fans". Get off here and go back to your Kpop, sis

>>88525714
They might try one more wave, but honestly what is the point? The latest wave was super well supported and even got their own personal manager, and yet they are borderline 2-view status

>>88519476
I don't even know this girls deal but somehow I knew her face before I clicked on it.

>>88521698
>Women
>Friends
lol
lmao

>>88525985
Her deal is that she let go of the only good talent Tsunderia ever had (and to niji at that) as well as making a mixed genre gen in a CGDCT corpo.

>>88525714
Does anyone even care enough to keep track

>>88526061
Are you talking about Rosemi? I never followed tsunderia so I have no idea about their past

>>88526121
Yeah. She got into Tsunderia but the retard of Dizzy allowed her to get poached by niji.

>>88526061
God why are women so fucking obsessed with collabing with males

>>88525602
He does not hate enna. He has mentioned her as kyrio in a positive way. I only watched hex in vanta's stream and had this opinion that he was this dominant daddy type guy with chat similar to that vox screenshot.

But kyrio appears like a boyfailure kind of guy, talks about not going outside for days, how girls friendzone him and when he does occasionally try to flirt with chat they just roast the fuck out of him.

>>88526121
She was Rosemi's boss

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>>88519476
She told Fishman not to hire Shiina because she yabbed too hard and would have been a brand risk. Fishman hired the girl anyway.

>>88516261
Vox presenting himself as a victim? Absolutely to feed his sick fangirls.
As for Ike, dude is a rat and always has been.

>>88526415
>unironic wojak posting
Go back phasetranny
>>>/out/

>>88526355
>But kyrio appears like a boyfailure kind of guy, talks about not going outside for days, how girls friendzone him and when he does occasionally try to flirt with chat they just roast the fuck out of him.
so you're saying i have a chance

>>88515646
ever since nijien debut i had this feeling that she was a terrible person, its so funny that it turned out to be true.

>>88526355
I've only watched Hex when he's involved in yabs and the only other info I have is from the anti-hex google doc that voxsisters made (they used to HATE him for copying vox's coomerbait shtick, it's crazy how much this was memoryholed though)

He seems like he just flip-flops between le vulnerable sadboi and big tough gigachad depending on what's convenient. He is very obviously a pathological liar and his entire personality is a probably a LARP.

>>88515944
It wasn't her idea. This was clearly the idea of Anycolor and she volunteered.
As to why:
We saw the bullshit of bringing up that the legal lawyer document says where she lives.
Add in that they felt the need to make the stream a the EXACT same time as when Doki scheduled her one, it doesnt take a genius to see what happened.
These morons were so paranoid and thought Doki is gonna drop some bombs in her stream that they felt the need to defend themselves. That explains actually everything.
Why it sounded like they brought up issues like talking to some phantom. They thought Doki was gonna spill shit and made themselves look like idiots. That speaks volumes about what demented minds they have.

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>>88519476
Be wary of this one onlookers
She's married to and living with her corpo's CEO

>>88526734
Honestly this makes the most sense even if it makes them seem more retarded. Because there was basically zero indication prior to the black stream happening at the same time of Doki/Selen ever mentioning Niji publicly on stream after her return

>>88526355
>But kyrio appears like a boyfailure kind of guy, talks about not going outside for days, how girls friendzone him and when he does occasionally try to flirt with chat they just roast the shit out of him
No fucking way. He actually improved himself, then? Lmao. I can't believe this. Man, if only he didn't FUCKING do that shit "i fully stand behind my peers with this message" when the fucking black stream dropped. Goddamn it all, he could have actually salvaged his reputation, AND by association with him Sunny would get less shit as well. Some faggots still don't trust her because of him, specifically. But she's actually fucking cute and definitely worth a watch.

>>88526734
Little did they know, Doki was dropping bombs about the neopets-scientology connection instead

>>88526910
>We... I mean I... Well when I say we I can't help but think of you, the fans, living with me
Paraphrasing but yeah

>>88520372
I would kill to be a fly in the wall in their private discord in the hour before to the hour after the stream went up. I want to see the smug sense of victory shatter into the crushing realization that they've fucked up royally and their careers are down the toilet once it became clear the stream backfired

>>88527048
Eh He's alright as a streamer. But he seems to be on good terms with pretty much everyone in niji, even the management without getting too much preferential treatment so it was weird.

Sunny made her choice to talk to him so that's on her. She raided him once and now will collab with him this week.

>>88526734
Considering that it was Vox and the livers who were "reviewing the documents", they were also the ones making these decisions

>>88526734
>This was clearly the idea of Anycolor and she volunteered.
black stream happened on the same day where riku was bowing and apologizing. it doesnt make sense that en and jp were coordinating this shit.

>>88515646
What did she mean by this?
https://x.com/EliraPendora/status/1851710215374410117?t=ARMOcRrWMUkCu04nV4izLA&s=19

>>88519476
Were you trying to prove him right?

>>88515646
NijiEN has literally never been good.

>>88515646
Wonder what would happen to this board if she graduated and then collabed with Dokibird

>>88528479
It would prove how much of a grifting whore dokibird is

>>88523023
Not anymore I don't

>>88528530
>>88528479
cool fan fiction

>>88527948
>Fujoshit
Who wanted this
>Twitter fags
Nvm.

>>88528479
>Wonder what would happen to this planet if a killer asteroid was about to impact Earth
Chances are never zero, but they're so low that I'm not going to lose any time imagining such an improbable scenario.

>elira dindu nuffin
>it was all anycolor
>what do you mean the black stream and riku's apology doesn't line up
>what do you mean elira scheduled it during doki's first game stream on her return

>>88528793
>>what do you mean elira scheduled it during doki's first game stream on her return
didn't they actually move it up to make sure it overlapped with her stream

>>88528479
Did they even collab after their very first 1 on 1 about lore shit. Even if there was no bad blood and no bullying I doubt they would reach out to each other.

>>88528879
Pretty sure it was 2 hours after and then suddenly it was the same time, yeah. And then the subsequent full EN collab karaoke was also at the same time as another important stream for doki

>>88528530
The seethe is delicious

>>88528928
According to Selen they planned to do more collabs but their ideas kept getting shot down

>>88529341
Meanwhile according to Elira they didn't collab because they had nothing in common and just decided to go their separate ways.

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>>88515646
Just like I irreversibly ruined your mom's bed last night

>>88529341
>>88529383
You know, both of those could be true at once.

sneed

>>88525109
Riku never apologised for the shit they did to Selen though, he just apologised (he had to) for lying to his shareholders in an incredibly obvious and easy to prove way about her departure being negligible. That shit would have actually gotten him dragged to court otherwise.

>>88527138
Little did you know Elira, Enna, Mille, Vox and Ike are all scientologists and that's why they had to shut it down.

Literally did nothing wrong but okay.

I just remembered this whore went radio silent for like two months or something so she could come back acting like nothing happened (something everyone predicted she would do)

There's so many kek-worthy details that you just forget about in the entirety of this KWABstorm.

>>88515646
>nijisanji bait thread
What did Hololive do this time?

>>88534236
Don't worry sis, I'm sure you'll think of something.

>>88522978
sex with evil women

>>88534236
This thread was made by KFP in response to this other bait thread
>>88510622

>>88538843
>Ten seconds apart
They were both made by disco faggots is my guess

>>88534032
Oh fuck, I forgot about the nothing happened memes. It's been a busy year

>>88529512
>They email their manager their ideas.
>Gets redirected to Elira
>She shuts them down to spite Selen because they were all her ideas

>>88539574
>10 seconds
You mean a few hours

>>88516261
i think it's more likely that they misjudged situation and thought that doki would attack them on her stream, but instead she just wanted to play neopets. i'd guess they thought they have to go in parallel to cancel out whatever they thought doki would say. the problem is, doki was better than that and never attacked niji, so they came out as malevolent faggots

>>88523091
to this day i question legitimacy of clique rrat not because of elira, but because of millie. she is so FUCKING DUMB that i doubt in her ability to be a functioning member of the clique

>>88525714
i wish next niji wave would feature falsefaggotd, doxxagi and nbinted

>>88544720
she doesn't need to "function". she just needs to be a good little attack dog (the most inbred chihuahua), and the rest of the clique will clean up her messes for her.

>>88521335
Because conveniently whipping out your alleged personal trauma that management would have no way of knowing, to farm pity and sicc toxic Niji fans on your wavemate on her way out, is not what good people do

>>88544720
Every clique has its idiot.

>>88544720
The "clique" is just a friend group people seethe about. That's literally it

>>88515944

I'm going to lay out my top theories, in order of most to least likely. Gimme a moment to consult the voices in my head.

1) It wasn't her idea to begin with, corporate forced the black screen stream to happen, and either Elira was the favourite to go, or was just the first poor unfortunate soul to sign up to something that was going to happen one way or another. It makes a kind of sense to me that corporate might realise the reaction from western fans would be really bad, so they thought having three big names deliver the corporate spiel to the fans would go down better than Riku, who was mostly apologising to the shareholders anyway.

2) She might not have thought it was a good idea, but it's possible that with the narrative against Niji spiralling so wildly out of control, she felt the need to do SOMETHING to try to save face. Doing this might possibly have been a sort of fucked up altruism insofar as any attempt to stem the bleeding might keep other talents inside Niji and sorta safe. Not a good idea, persay, but an idea nonetheless.

3) She actually did think it was a good idea, and her whole plan was just saber rattling. This theory assumes that Elira is the densest motherfucker on the planet, and legit thought "nuh uh oh no she di'nt" along with jusdicious chest puffing would be enough to make Doki shut up, and cast enough shade on the matter to save her skin. That this theory requires a failure to read the room only possible if the room was presented in fucking Braille makes it less likely to me, but we can at least speculate that if Elira viewed the whole situation as some kind of vicious Game Of Thrones bullshit and felt threatened enough, then through that lens, doing something this stupid might be a good move.

4) Elira is a legitimate psychopath and she didn't think this was a bad idea because her entire thought process was HATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATE. This assumes that she either didn't know or didn't care that doing the stream would make her deeply unpopular, and didn't know or care that doing it would cause catastrophic damage to Nijisanji as a whole. For this to be true, Elira would have to have less empathy than Patrick Bateman, and would also want to inflict as much harm as possible because it makes her feel good. I mean actual axe murderer levels of hate and no empathy, like she did the stream because it was the best way she could possibly hurt somebody thousands of miles away.

TLDR: Elira was either an unfortunate scapegoat, emotional and erratic, unbelievably stupid, or Scar.

>>88540424
weird, it says 9:27 when i hover over it but when i actually click it, it switches to 7:27

>>88549342
Reverse the order of theories and you'd be spot on.

>>88516261
spbp
She didn’t do anything wrong

>>88516261
Why do people keep acting like management held her at gunpoint and forced her to do the black screen stream?

>>88516261
i wish this were true.. because if she expose this it would absolved her of her dirty sins. she use to be the sweetest girl before all this drama.

>>88554638
EN management is at fault for stalling an mv for months for rights issues by never going to JP management (if JP was even the one with complaints) going "bro it's a fucking lilypichu song just approve it". That this happened in the first place hints at a culture of spite directed at Selen in EN.
For the black screen, EN management never understood the optics behind the black screen stream, especially going ahead with counterprogramming doki. You only make that call if you're spiteful as fuck or strongly believe the evidence you're proposing. Going that hard with evidence that was anything less than "she faked her suicide attempts here's the proof" was a retarded decision from anyone who had an ability to look at how neutrals would view the situation, leaving spite and seethe as the only explanation. It's certainly a believable hypothesis that Elira orchestrated the stream out of spite against doki, especially if the "Elira is management" rrat is correct. But there's no smoking gun pointing to Elira as the orchestrator of everything, she could've had a previous hatred of Selen clouding her judgement when ordered by somebody else into doing it, or she was just really, really retarded.

>>88527048
Did you forget him making up a SA story just for slander purposes?

Elira fucked up, but let's not kid ourselves, their management is to blame for their anemic state. Everyone lost viewership and the last two waves are doing indie numbers at best.

Still crazy how all this more or less happened in the span of a year. Or how Elira went from one of the NijiEN darlings like Pomu and Selen to someone widely considered completely despicable. Honestly if I hadn't watched the black screen stream I would not have believed she did what she did.

>>88559628
That whole event was surreal, from the rescheduling it to overlap with doki's stream to how it played out like the clusterfuck later on with the apology and the statement about the legal docs

>>88559124
>did you forget what the voices in my head told me

>>88560677
#Cut4hex sister

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>>88515646
One year difference

>>88548868
NIJICOPE

>>88559124
I always thought that story was way too convenient. Like it's the perfect story to tell if your objective was to generate pity and benefit yourself. Who can disprove it?

>>88565920
Are you agreeing with that anon that he made it up or not? He also promoted usan's save the children concert and said it was special to him because of his past. Personally I think he got got by the christcucks.

>>88516969
makes the most sense.
They probably seriously believed they were right and that selen was just overreacting and a troublemaker/pain to work with because she kept either forcing them to actually do work, or was showing them up too much with her project pipeline and making them look bad.

>>88521994
based grudgeposter from 2021 KNEW

>>88565472
Holy fucking GRIM lol

>>88520239
Mein Riku...Steiner...

>>88566516
I'm saying that it is plausible that it was made up

>>88565472
G R I M
but where did their viewers go? not to the holostars for sure lol

>>88569400
back to kpop or Love & Deepspace

>>88569224
Oh ok

>>88565472
>Elira doing a drinking stream
Kinda risky. You never know what you might say about a certain stream that ruined your life forever while under the influence.

imagine taking over the branch, forming a clique, isolating and excluding people you dont like, hiding and covering up harassment and bullying, then palying the victim after your actions almost lead to loss of life.

Does anyone have the Elira mindbreak fanfic?

>>88572361
archives

Everyone points at Elira but Enna has always been the main problem

>>88574675
enna wasn't part of the black stream so no

>>88574764
I will bet you dollars to donuts that Enna was the one who thought of it and pushed Elira to do it.

>>88548868
That's how most cliques are formed, anon.

>>88516261
Doki had a real lawyer backing her up telling her how to handle the situation. Nijisanji had their 'lawyer' approve their stunt. Let that sink in.

Let us just call it a coincidence when I joined /vt/ Nijisanji started declining hehehe

>>88520307
>>88522978
Same, but then I remembered she's not some suit in a large company but it's over streaming video games with cartoon avatars and the spell broke.

>>88575293
luca stop shitposting on mongolian basket weaving forum

>>88575804
i tried watching elira once out of curiosity before all this stuff happened and i felt like i watch wall paint dry

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>>88515944
Lawyers heavily underestimating the issue, they lie for a living, they feed their families from the misery of others.

The moment they saw this it became a trivial matter for them. "Sit down, read this script, and act as remorseful as you can, try to cry as much and become the vitctim".

To them the masses are low lifes who'd believe anything their so called idol would tell them. Or at least they thought so.

>>88515944
Arrogance, if you noticed they used the 3 members that generally had the best 'reputation' among NijiEN at the time under the false pretense that if it was them that did it, their smear campaign against Selen would have credibility.

>>88576219
Not entirely true. What do you call a law student who passes the bar with the worst scores and most questionable ethics? A lawyer.
Someone's going to hire these guys and that someone is a cheapskate company.

>>88565472
Sonny that low? I thought he was one of the good guys, not that I give a fuck about males.

>>88570009
That's the fun part.

>>88577102
>that someone is a cheapskate company.
Which is... *drum rolls* need I even say it?

>>88577232
There are no good ones at nijisanji

>>88515646
>1.3 Million Views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4

>>88570009
Dammit Antis you had one chance to pester her about black screen

>>88549342
I'm still leaning towards 4 with a dash of Japanese spiteful ignorance. >>88529159 and >>88517200 are simply too hard to ignore for me.

>>88515646
prove it

>>88574791
You give that girl too much credit.

>>88531921
He did specifically apologise for the usage of the word negligible and said that Selen was integral to the success of NijiEN. Not so much an apology to her but certainly an attempt to placate dragoons.

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>>88525714
There are a lot. Though Shxtou actually invited Doki to a collab a while back (which combined with former Luxiem collaber Sykkuno collabing with her a lot really made the sisters angry) so it's possible not all of them are terrible people. Also note that this list doesn't include chuubas who would interact with the group a lot but weren't actually part of it - like Millie, Enna, and Mint.

>>88583268
To be honest that still sounded like plain PR speech for damage control because he knew disrespecting a liver by implying she was replaceable will not make a good image for the company, even for the japs

Also the fact that the black stream was greenlit and is still on her channel till this day destroys every credibility from Riku's apology and angers not only dragoons but also everyone else

>>88584151
Also, it should be noted that several of those members seems to inactive, or at least their last stream date back to several months ago.

>>88584151
Didn't shxtou had a collab with nijimales recently? Altare was there too

>>88584409
The point is not whether riku was sincere or not. Its how different his position was compared to the black screen stream leading credence to the theory of EN jumping the gun and pushing the stream on their own.

>>88544515
Why would they assume a Neopets stream was going to be about them?

>>88569400
I can only speak as one dragoon but I used to occasionally watch almost everyone on that list (and superchatted a lot of them too) if Selen wasn't streaming. The only ones I actively avoided were Enna (I found her voice too irritating and I didn't like her general vibe), Ver (I just never found him entertaining) and Sonny (because I was actually a fan of his PL and the bullshit he played still makes me angry). I refuse to watch or support any of them now because I'm actively supporting the company by doing so and there's still a lingering doubt in my mind about whether they were also shitty towards Selen. YouTube sometimes recommends me videos in my favourites list and I've been recommended funny clips of other livers I favourited a long time ago and usually I end up removing them from my favourites list because I can no longer watch them without thinking about what happened in February and wondering whether they were complicit in it. There's also notsodeadpool who was a nearly day one member of Elira's channel who very publicly disowned her and unmembered during the blackstream - and now shows up frequently in Doki's chat.

>>88585049
Quite possibly, I don't follow him, I'm not saying he's distanced himself from Niji but rather the fact he's willing to invite Doki to a collab is evidence he doesn't side with the company itself.

>>88586576
>because I was actually a fan of his PL and the bullshit he played still makes me angry
I'm actually curious to know how you felt when you discovered that he was debuting in NijiEN.

>>88569400
All over i guess, indies, phase, vshoujo ect

>>88586955
I doubt any of them went to Phase, other than to seethe.

>>88587011
NTA but I did for a while. Got bored and pivoted away after about half a year though.

>>88587011
I started watching Tenma and Clara more - before that I only really occasionally watched VODs.

>>88585267
there was some posts from doki on twitter about the situation, which they misread as a declaration of war, that's all. they simply were too scared and imagined stuff that wasn't there. i'd guess they'd make black stream over her redebut too, but that was too sudden for them

>>88569400
I went back to watching Vshoujo, small corpos, and indies

>>88565472
Best part is they were already bleeding viewers from the many controversies they had by that time lol.

>>88587011
NTA but I totally see some of the fans that used to watch NijiEN for the slight unhingedness of some talents migrate to certain members of Phase.

>>88586789
He already admitted what he did a long time before his Niji debut, so I was slightly less angry than I was at the time. To see the other livers interact with someone who did something so shitty did make me pretty disillusioned though.

>>88554869
>Sweetest girl
>Admitting to being a petty bitch
>Harrassing Uber drivers asking them if they like tits

>>88587011
Are you retarded?
Not every single former niji fan was a teenage asian girl, alot of the fans of the first 2 gens like rosebuds and pomudachis had plenty of overlap with phase.

>>88586576
I was also a fan of his. His montages were what got me into playing TF2 and pyro in the first place back in 2015.
Really pissed me off that he did the fakeout. He was so beloved in the community that valve even put a direct reference to him in the game when he "died"

>>88587716
>pomudachis
Even more so now that mint has showed up in their concert

>>88523866
Sayu was an organ for a month, so calling her a bitch and a psycho was gonna work, specially since the sisters reported the video of the rape joke and the deez nuts sponsorship (which turned out to be real since a company called deez nuts sued mr beast for calling one of his chocolate bars deez nuts). With selen is a different story
>Dedicated to niji
>wanted to make riku the next yagoo
>hosted many events (got fucked by elira later and was not able to host any events ever again)
She had a clean record and wanted NijiEN to be more known in the west, if you tell me this bitch just tried to kill herself because yes and you tell me she's the worst of the worst while all she wanted to do was play neopets on stream... then i'm gonna fucking doubt you

>>88544720
The attack dogs don't do the thinking

>>88588402
The thing with selen and sayu fans is the latter only care about the termination and the events that followed. But the worst things that happened to selen was before the termination so her fans care about that part more.

>>88588556
as someone that didn't watch selen, very rarely watches doki and is absolutely a catalog tourist whenever niji drama pops up, I can safely say I was keeping tabs on her situation for about 7 or 8 months just waiting to see when she'd graduate. Of course I didn't think it'd go so volatile but the writing was still on the wall.

>>88527555
It was clear it backfired two minutes into the live.

>>88589309
The thing is, is that it wasn't actually live. It was very clearly pre-recorded - so the ones involved might have been studying chat reactions in real time.

>>88589309
The L's in the chat will live in a corner of my brain rent free forever.

>>88588944
Correct. People love to speculate on the behind the scenes stuff that led her to make an attempt but we could see in real time the sequence of events that brought her to that point. Of course, at one point, when more intelligent people thronged the catalog, we discussed that too. People also used to discuss the EN staff like Harry and their probable role in all this.

Of course now it's mostly braindead takes, shitposts and fighting with each other over multiple replies.

>>88583268
It was to placate Stockholders

>>88589892
I see this said a lot but I don't really believe it, - because I doubt shareholders even knew who she was or any of the livers, either EN or JP, or even really understand what vtubing is.