>>88586664
nijiEN will never live this down

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>>88586664
It was the funniest shit ever

is it just japanese corporate autism that made them think this was somehow going to go over well?

>>88586664
I clicked box expecting gura's workout routine

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>they could have gotten away with everything if they had simply shut the fuck up and did nothing
Never not funny to think about

>>88586664
yep

>>88587102
That's always the case, same with Mike the Cat, if she just did nothing after the initial yab and just waited until things calmed down she would still be in hololive.

In Niji's case, doki didn't want any drama, they could of done a yugo style graduation and only damage to NijiEN would be losing their top two female streamers weeks apart (which is still a pretty big blow mind you)

>>88586874
That and you should never underestimate how much echo chamber group think and inflated egos can make you do really stupid shit.

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>>88587102
>selen tzu

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>>88586874
The prevailing theory is that they mistook Selen's legal doc (HR complaint) as a lawsuit or at least potential lawsuit threat. So the whole reason why they terminated her instead of graduating, why they self-reported on their own crimes, why they were constantly going on the attack when Selen was basically not even doing anything, was all because they were trying to get "ahead of the story" and discredit her before she has a chance to say anything.

The rest can be attributed to huffing your own farts for so long. Yes Whorelira and her stooges thought their transparent smear campaign would work just like it did with Zaion. Yes they were that delusional.

And honestly, it probably WOULD have worked on like 90% of organs. Selen was that one nigger in ten thousand who was way too well-connected and reputable for their bullshit to work on.

>>88586664
Top 3 worst moments of NijiEN:

>3. Losing Pomu
Her sub growth stagnated around 500k but she was an OG and was well liked and her leaving was one of the biggest signs that something is wrong with NijiEN and was going to cause a domino effect

>2.Firing Selen
It wasn't just the fact that they fired her, it was the fact that they did it in such a public way and basically publicly executed her thinking everyone was going to clap.

>1.The black screen stream
The whole thing basically killed NijiEN forever and ruined their reputation. It was also a massive self report and confirmed what Doki had said about the bullying.

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>>88586664
Holodrones love to ignore their corpo getting dragged by every mainstream news channel

It's hilarious they thought they could turn the public against Doki when at the time Doki could have committed murder on stream and people still would have backed her over niji

>>88587539
Pomu's low was lethal since she made public the stream were she tells nijisanji fucked her one in a lifetime opportunity because they just plain said no, it wasn't a no for pomu, they told whatever sponsor or deal that they won't do it.... rejecting free money from a company that someone as safe as pomu trusted and wanted to collab with? yeah that's pure fucking grift.

>>88587732
yet cover's stock went up, but nijisanji's didn't in feb

>>88588145
Investors don't give a shit about corporations getting involved in standard corporate yab. I'm a bit surprised the news even reported it, most of the time they don't report this type of shit because nobody cares but I guess Cover is interesting enough to report on.

>>88587539
>>88587779
It's crazy to me that they thought they could just Zaion not just one of their OG livers, but their biggest female EN liver. They REALLY thought it would work, even after it was revealed that she tried to kill herself.
Like, it's a mixture of abject stupidity and complete malice.

>>88586827
didn't rosemi endorse the black stream anyway?
Never saw her even try

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>>88587732
two more weeks xis

>>88588670
It's just funny to see her lying face in the mud, where she belongs.

I still think the secret GC stream was the absolute point of no return of NijiEN. Both Pomu and Mysta weren't happy about it and they both ended up graduating.

>>88586874
The idea for Black Stream originates from Nami Freesia, a close friend of Elira, who orchestrated similar Kawaii streams in the past.

>>88589688
I know nothing about kawaii other than Nene and the gen that quit to form vdere

>>88586664
pretty sure this was the defining moment

It's still funny to me how that was irredeemable career suicide. I knew people who liked them but immediately dropped them after that. They were bummed out for a bit, which I can empathize with.

>>88590187
Like if they didn't do it and just had Riku's apology, NijiEN would still be in decline for losing Selen and Pomu but they wouldn't be absolutely hated like they are right now

>>88590187
I still i see a bunch of Hardcore Niji Fans in my twitter timeline (Many dropped Myth for Niji EN since it was "more free and less strict"), and they're in constant state of defensiveness, i see many Elira gachis literally going elsewhere or even dropping v-tubing all together after the black stream. That fucking video is probably a defining moment in v-tubing history, the consequences of that thing are still branching out.

>>88589688
I've never seen this rrat before so I'm interested. Please elaborate.

>>88590250
>they wouldn't be absolutely hated like they are right now
The opposite, in fact. Millie was a bit targeted because of the infamous passive-aggressive WAIT WHAT HAPPENED D: tweet, but the rage was mostly directed to the corpo. Hell, I remember people /here/ claiming that Elira's silence was due to her taking a stand behind curtains agains Selen's mistreatment together with fellow livers. Then the black stream came, and we all know how it went.

>>88590250
Oh yeah Niji would still have been fucked but you never expect a company to just go full mask off evil.
>>88590353
I never really watched niji chuubas but that's that constant state of defensiveness how I always seen nijifans. I guess sunk-cost fallacy really gets people.

>>88586874
Yes. They believed they could and deserved to get away with bullying like they did to other talents. They are fully aware they are the favorites and management will take their side over everything else because of their standing in the company and earnings. They were convinced that they had fans wrapped around their fingers and could lie about anything they want and everyone would believe anything they say. So when management told them to make selen "negligible" in the eyes of the fans, they thought the fans would just smile and accept it. After all, if they hate selen for not playing by the clique rules and for actually being good at video games, why wouldn't the fans also feel the same way? So they let their hubris get the better of them and it unrionically killed their careers and nijisanji.

>>88588263
The reasoning that it was JP management used to JP fans bootlicking the corpo makes sense when it comes to the termination document. However a Candian, a Brit, and a Swede (all three countries that have extremely strong employee protection laws that are much stronger than the most left-wing states in the US) personally attacking an ex-colleague who'd already received massive support in opposition to the company a few days later makes no sense. The blackstream is still the thing that really baffles me - I can't understand how any of those involved thought it'd be a good idea.

>>88590690
>but that's that constant state of defensiveness how I always seen nijifans
Believe it or not, before Zaion, Nijifans were more smug and just went full retard claiming how Niji EN was better than any corpo For a time it was, but just for few months, the current state of defensiveness is just unreal to watch, you can see accounts like Uncle Biff as an example, all to defend the family no matter the cost because "it was the company that did wrong", yet ignoring the Hanamori past

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>>88590918
Will never let them forget that THEY wanted all out war. They sowed the wind, and now they shall reap the whirlwind.

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>>88591003
There's so many funny nijicopes to look back to...

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>>88591115
It's so satisfying seeing nijiEN die and seeing these freaks continue to seethe.

I agree with most of the sentiment ITT
Really NijiEN could have weather the yab, but holy shit was their damage control some of the worst in the entire totality of entertainment as a whole to have ever transpired.
Literally Light Carrier Taihou level damage control failure

>>88587732
>5 days ago, 54k views
mainstream

>>88586664
kek yeah

So much has changed it feels like it happened literally years ago.

>>88591824
>Literally Light Carrier Taihou level damage control failure
qrd?

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>Day 312 into Niji's 3 day Special Dragon-correcting Operation

I do wonder if the NDF /here/ are actual unironic sisters or just larpers

>>88592692
Hit by a torpenis
Ship fuel and avgas leaked due to hit
Crew closed the hole in the ship with wood, didn't vent explodium vapors properly (or at all)
Vapors build up in enclosed space
6 hours pass
Kaboom

>>88593009
There are a couple of unironic ones that you can still occasionally spot here and there, but they are mostly confined to their dogshit threads, too busy writing fanfictions about the male organs fucking each other. I'm convinced that the majority of people that argues in their favor /here/ are doing it just for the sake of arguing.

>>88591003
console war shit is so funny to watch

>>88593009
>>88593162
The majority of ones in catalog threads these days are just general shitters who probably don't even watch vtubers, they just like the drama and getting (You)s. Most of the actual sisters have either gone or hidden away in /nijiEN/ or /nenmen/ - though occasionally you can see one in the wild like the one who argues about the MV by comparing vtuber work to working in fast food because that's clearly the only job she's ever had. She still appears fairly regularly.

>>88590784
Coercion, probably. Elira had just arrived in Japan when it happened; if she was there on a work visa, then AC was effectively (if not literally) holding her visa hostage.
Also there's the "hipptiy hoppity, your streaming equipment is now our property!" clause in her contract, the fact that her presence in Japan made that clause enforceable, and the fact that what does or does not count as "streaming equipment" within the context of the contract is not clearly defined - in addition to stuff that obviously is streaming equipment, they could have decided that the suitcase she used to bring her equipment to Japan also counts as "streaming equipment," since it was something she used in order to conduct her streaming activities - meaning that in addition to getting deported, she's have to either stuff all her clothes and toiletries into a carry-on bag for her deportation trip, or spend a stupid amount of money on a new suitcase, or spend a stupider amount of money shipping it home via Fedex.
And if they were feeling particularly petty, they could have declared Petra's residence as part of Elira's streaming equipment, since Elira was gonna stay at Petra's place and do streams from there.

Basically, her choices were "do the black stream" or "get fired and deported."

>>88593889
She didn't do any streams for two months after the black stream

>>88593889
I don't find your explanation is believable to be honest, but even if I did that still doesn't explain Vox and Ike.

>>88586874
They did the exact same thing to zaion and it worked perfectly, sayu is still treated as toxic waste and while she often doesn't help herself, the majority of the damage was caused by nijis character assassination. They assumed it would work for selen as well but massively underestimated her popularity.

>>88587732
In all fairness, it is kind of remarkable that Hololive's scandal has done less PR damage on the EN side than the blackstream. It intuitively makes sense to me for some reason, but when I try to make sense of it on a rational level, I'm stuck. Help me anons.

I think it has to do with intent and company reaction.

How much damage exactly would Riku have tanked for them had they not done this?

>>88594250
>spoiler
well yeah but more than that it's what actually happened. some corporate x's and o's not getting dotted and signed doesn't really resonate and create distrust in a business the same way "fundamentally breaking your top talent's spirit until they try to kill themselves" will.

>>88594250
Pattern recognition.

>>88594250
People care about the talents more than anything, that should be simple enough a reason.

>>88594454
Would be in a much better state, still would lose a big chunk of male viewers who were only there for Pomu and Selen but the brand would not be radioactive like it is right now

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>>88586664

I mean this sincerely. Recovery of the brand is not possible as long as Elira is employed. Get rid of her. What the fuck are you doing?

>>88595235
It's funny, Enna and Millie were pretty much despised beforehand but nobody really thought anything about Elira until the black stream

>>88595235
The obvious problem is that their remaining audience has self-selected for people who think she was in the right, so firing her now just makes their remaining fans leave, and they've left it so long they're probably not convincing anyone else to come back.

>>88594250
Not defending Cover but not properly paying a bunch of artists, while really scummy isn't as sensational or reaches emotionally as bullying a on screen talent to the point of attempting suicide

>>88596319
there is no future where NijiEN regains some semblance of popularity while Elira is still employed at the company. One way or another if Anycolor wants a foreign branch, firing her is a necessary condition

>>88586827
Is Dooki the legendary Selenerine?

>>88595235
That ship sailed a while ago.
They sat on their asses for too long.

There is no recovery only slow death
In the west that is, they are fine in JP as long as they have Kuzuha

>>88596482
Still it feels super *awkward* whenever she's in a collab or a promotion. I wish she wasn't there

Why is the black stream still up?
What the hell?

>>88596868
Taking it down would mean admitting that management erred in allowing/forcing Elira and Vox and the other fellow to do the black screen, and management would sooner burn the branch to the ground than admit to having made any mistakes. It will stay up for the rest of Elira's time at Anycolor; and depending on the circumstances of her eventual departure from the company, it may stay up after she leaves (i.e. if she gets "graduated" or terminated for privately apologizing to Doki, the black screen will stay up while the rest of her channel gets nuked)

ironically elira's model was wasted on her it would actually had more sense for pomu to have it rather then someone who clearly hated selen

>>88594250
Because an employee fucking up with how they handle live 2d revisions is less of a yab than the company letting their vtubers try to drag a former employee that tried to off themself.

>>88598912
>former employee that tried to off themself
They always "try to" in the same way a neet on autismbux tries to get a job

>>88586664
https://youtu.be/fe4xF3jF29c?si=91v13YIanOwNiFrg&t=342
If Elira asked for permission to do Black Stream, AC would have said no. This is all on her.

>>88599337
That's irrelevant. The company was still aware of what she "tried to do" yet still gave them the greenlight to have that stream.

>>88593889
>they could have decided that the suitcase she used to bring her equipment to Japan also counts as "streaming equipment,"
what the fuck are you fucking talking about

I don't think Niji can do anything to fix their image in the west short of a complete rebrand

>>88599888
Counter-point: if she asked for permission to NOT to do the black screen, they would have said no.
And even if the black stream was 100% the livers' idea, and they did it without management's permission, the fact that it's still up is 100% on management - they are fully able to take it down, but for whatever reason(s) have opted not to do so.
>>88599894
And as an added "bonus," the company even acknowledged that Selen had attempted. They had the most to gain if her claim was false, but they admitted that her claim is true.
I'll never understand why sisters think she didn't try to very permanently leave the company, despite both she and the company saying she did try.

>>88602448
I can think of at least 910 reasons why a rebrand would not work

>threaten your co workers
>its okay because I tried to kill myself

>>88602498
Elira didn't stream again for exactly 2 months after the black stream? Was she stealth suspended? I doubt we will ever know

>>88594250
Because bootlicking Hololive and treating Yagoo like a god is common. Also helps that dramafags refuse to report it accurately so they can deepthroat yagoo

>>88587732
Easy :

Holo :
>Yeah we fucked up, we'l learn, started to settle with people involved, sorry it won't happen again
Niji :
>The bitch tried to kill herself because of supposed harassment coming from the livers, she didn't pay artists, ate babies and was responsible for Joe Biden's seemingly temporary brain damage, this reinforcing trump.
>She's also behind the war in Ukraine and also behind October 7th.
>We're totally innocent please believe us

See the difference ?

>>88602728
She almost certainly was stealth suspended for the black stream. Not just 2 months of no (monetized) streams on her channel, but also no activity whatsoever for 2 weeks.

>....really, Anon?
-you're about to ask me
>you really think they'd force her to do the black stream, and then punish her for doing what they told her to do?
And my answer to that (admittedly very good) question is yes. Yes I do think they would punish her for doing something they told her to do.
They wanted the black stream to have a specific effect, specifically to restore Niji EN's reputation in the west and simultaneously ruin Doki's reputation (as though "reputation" is a finite resource, and as though it was impossible to restore their own reputation without damaging hers in a zero-sum game). The black screen had the opposite effect of what they wanted, and EN management could not let this failure go unpunished, and they would not punish Vox or Ike (Luxiem members) for it without orders from Riku himself.

Here's my counter-question: Do you think EN management would NOT punish a liver for doing something they themselves told the liver to do, if the thing had a detrimental effect on the company?

>>88586664
my dumb ass was confused as to why an image of a black screen is getting so much attention but then it clicked

>>88586664
the second plane of western vtubing

>>88587522
I think that after public opinion shifted on Zaion's termination if the same thing happened with even one of the less popular Nijis like Vivi there would have been backlash and nobody would have bought Niji's side of the story. But yeah, it probably wouldn't have backfired to the point of half their audience abandoning them overnight if it was someone other than Selen or maybe Pomu.

>>88586664
can't believe it happened in 2024. feels like it was ages ago

>>88604052
Dumb faggot, they abused the shit out of their employees and only started making up for it because they were caught. Over 25 people were overworked and didn't get paid for almost two years

>>88591003
The "council isn't doing as well as expected" line from that leak has aged hilariously well considering that at this point Council's probably pulling better numbers than the entire NijiEN branch combined.

While I doubt that Elira, Vox and Ike went rogue and did the black stream without any kind of permission, it's pretty clear that there is a huge disconnect between the different layers at management at anycolor. They might of gotten permission at the EN level without JP management known exactly what the contents of the stream was going to be. Regardless the black stream struck a completely different tone than Riku's statement a few hours later and made the entire company look corrupt at worst and incompetent at best.

Also the whole Hyte thing showed that NijiEN has like zero chances to ever get western sponsors again and are pretty stuck with JP sponsors or random cafe collabs in TW and SEA

>>88608528
They've pretty much been blacklisted from most, if not all western communities.
Sajam had to make sure Doki was even okay with someone from Nijisanji even being there. If Doki wasn't, they would have been blacklisted from that tournament too.

>>88608291
1) If you've watched NijiEN for any length of time, it becomes clear that the livers themselves are doing almost everything. The livers are setting up collabs, setting up commissions, make assets and overlays, contacting musicians, planning projects...management does literally nothing. In other words, it really seems like the livers are the ones running the entire branch. Which is sort of how JP works too.
2) Vox literally said it was him who reviewed the legal documents. Why are the legal documents getting passed around to the talents for their perusal and inspection? It's almost like there is no distinction whatsoever between management and the top livers, they are one in the same group of chucklefucks.
3) This type of bold move is something that is characteristic of a few members in NijiEN, specifically Enna and Millie. They are the ones who are known to come out and say bold, outlandish things. This type of move screams their involvement. In fact I half believe that this stream would have been Enna/Millie/Elira except for the clique accusations, which demanded the participation of others instead.

>>88594250
You're not wrong but the situations are different. Not paying the people you hired is really wrong. But the Selen thing was a snowball that only got worse until it ended with the black screen video.

>>88608528
The most damning thing about what happened with Hyte is that the speed at which they dropped Niji and embraced Doki makes it pretty fucking clear that Selen was one of the people, if not *the* sole person, who they wanted to do a case for in the first place- the fact that the first three were Elira, Rosemi, and Enna rather than her had to have been because management insisted that their favorites get priority. What's funny is that if they had split the difference and had Hyte do cases for Selen *and* 2-3 of the favored children they might not have pulled out of the collab at all just so they could get the Selen cases done.

>>88607107
Did it change anything I just said you dipshit
The difference is the actual company's reaction, there's a world of difference between "sorry we fucked up we won't do it again and the artists will see their money" and "it's her fault she tried to kill herself anyway look at her she's BAD"
Miserable faggot

>>88609549
The CEO is a dragoon and straight out admitted they wanted to work with Selen. I guess they at first they tried to play ball hoping they could do a Selen case afterwards but after she got fired they had no reason to play nice anymore

>>88608987
>Sajam had to make sure Doki was even okay with someone from Nijisanji even being there
I'm sure that's one of the (many) reasons Vivi is graduating, being treated like a pariah is hell on your mental health

>>88608987
He literally said that he never said that and that he would never block someone from playing in a tournament just because someone else doesn't want them there. Nijisanji has also collaborated with a lot of Western companies like Google after
Why are you lying?

>>88609671
Difference is the company were caught breaking the law and only apologized once they were caught by the government while ignoring the fact they didn't pay for 243 revisions and never planned on doing it.
>it's her fault she tried to kill herself
Yes, congratulations on describing how suicide works, retard

>>88610025
I think Vivi already wanted to get out long before that but I'm sure that whole situation didn't help.
But yeah, like I said, with how much PR suicide it is with having Nijisanji next to your name, it has to reach a breaking point at some stage. But it's hard to do that with how badly Nijisanji evaporates your self confidence.

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>>88608291
Between the termination and the black screen, there was also the "negligible" paper, which was published in both English and Japanese. Someone high enough on the Anycolor food chain to write and publish IR reports on the company's behalf (read: someone way, WAY above all the livers and managers and staff in the EN branch) was involved in the production of the black screen, whether it was just incidental involvement or if they were the one directing traffic. To say nothing about AC's lawyers intentionally sharing Doki's documents with at least 3 of the livers, or the timing of it going live.

The home office knew EXACTLY what was going on in the black screen.

>>88587732
Are you the same retard who ran around for days spamming in every thread imaginable about how holofans harassed Vivi into graduating? Because you type the same way, you're just as retarded and you're just as desperate as that anon.
>54k views
>5 days ago
>mainstream
KEKAROO. Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already? You and your desperate troon nijikek buddies on Xitter are the only ones who care about it and are trying to perpetuate it. Everyone else already moved on.

>>88610459
NTA but still better than Anycolor who never paid a dozen artists at all for ANY of their work, Selen herself had to go in and pay an artist out of her own pocket because Anycolor never did, including revisions even after said artists came forward to confirm they never got payment. They never apologized for it either. And this is on top of all the other shit they've done this year alone.
>and never planned on doing it
I keep seeing anons say this but they never post proof of it. It's completely believable that this kind of shit fell through the cracks during their expansion. It's not uncommon. Not all companies are Kurocolor.

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>>88613390
Cover is pretty damn lucky since they can get away with so much shit since their direct competition is a million times worse

>>88613390
As someone who actually works and deals with multi-million dollar companies, them fucking up a payment is far and away extremely common. Sometimes it's an idiot in accounting, sometimes it's the payment service, and sometimes it's just forgetfulness. Anyone screaming like this is the worst thing and has never happened before is a fucking moron.

>>88613872
Few people said that as well, and considering that the companies I worked for fucked up payments on a regular basis (and plenty of other HR-related shit), despite being a huge fuck up that shouldn't have happened, i'm not that surprised
But it looks like that some chronic retards here still don't understand the difference between a normal and regular PR response and the PR equivalent of shitting yourself and then jumping head first in it while claiming that someone else is drowning you.
Cover could have kept illegal immigrants used as sex slaves for the girls and paying them with a burning whip, they get away specifically because they have good PR responses, it doesn't have the same effect on the public.
Niji could have gone "Selen leaves, we're very very sad but we wish her a good future journey" or whatever the shit and it would have been fine for them even if the Hanamori remnants created a sex cult à la Allison Mack inside the EN branch.

PR rules, boys

>>88613390
>still better than Anycolor who never paid a dozen artists at all for ANY of their work
Where's the evidence? Where's the government report? Stupid Holodrones try to deflect from their own crimes by spreading rrats
>Selen herself has to pay
Like she's contractually obligated to because she's the one who hired them??? Holodrones prove that they know nothing
>I keep seeing anons say this but they never post proof of it.
The fact that they didn't say anything about it until the government released their report and they were aware of the government investigating them for a long time, retard

>>88594250
Goodwill matters a lot for things like this. Hololive has a lot of goodwill because they have a track record of trying their best to do right by their talents and fans, so when shit like what just happened happens most people are going to err on the side of assuming they were trying their best to do the right thing and just made some honest mistakes rather than because they're greedy assholes. Niji pissed away a lot of their goodwill before Selen's firing and pissed away the rest of it with the termination letter, "negligible," and the black box stream, so now everyone but the most delusional fans are going to err on the side of assuming the bad things they do are done because they're greedy and evil.

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>>88586664
Not as defining as dookie's grifting downfall later on this year.

>>88617261
Wow, if we extrapolate this it means that Doki will have zero views by April next year...

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>>88586827
Still find it super funny me and another anon had the same idea

>>88617261
Still beats most if not all of NijiEN

>>88596319
Remaining audience has self-selected for people who think VOX AND IKE were in the right. Most of Elira's core fanbase turned on her hard and are never coming back, she's 100% an albatross around the company's neck at this point.

>>88620400
Didn't Uncle Biff stick with her?

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>>88594124
WIFE is a bit loopy. Ok, more than a bit. Still cute.

>>88624077
your wife is a cunt who laughs at and insults people who tell her to maybe be less of a cunt. she just protected the account she used to confirm kyo didn't dox her so false information can go around again, because she couldn't take being called out on her bullshit. I seriously can't believe people defend this bitch, but that's the power of the pussy pass i guess

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>>88586664
It'd be pretty funny if this move ended up on enterprise management books as an example on how to not handle a situation.

>>88624967
Isn't it because in the same tweet where she confirmed that Kyo never harassed her, she continued to thank people for harassing him for her sake anyways despite him doing nothing to deserve it? Including a personal thank you to one of the most schizophrenic well known antis on Twatter?

>>88626001
Honestly it should be more known outside of the vtuber sphere is an example of what NOT to do

>>88624967
>>88626449
You reek of NIJISEETHE lmao

>>88625366
perfection

>>88586664
It is quite frankly the biggest yab ever, so yeah.