It is bad already as it is.If Gura actually graduates, then it is holover.
Gurabros..... it's over
nijiseethe
>>88770904what about me
>>88770904Yeah dooby totally killed hololive. Oh wait she's losing to Shiori on her debut week.
>>88770904Someone wasn't here in Winter 2022 where 8/10 girls were off sick.
>>88770904I hope so. If THIS YEAR is the worst they could ever do, then god the future looks bright.
>>88770904Gura graduating and going affiliate wont change anything. She's gonna be not streaming and cranking out merch either way. Gura reincarnating would be a disaster.
>>88770904>>88771941>>88771208Its a low chance of happening.Ame had a good reason to stop and go affiliate. Being under a corpo restricted creative freedom, and being Dooby has allowed her to do things she couldn't as Ame. But Ame actually has ideas that she wanted to try out and expand on. Gura, in contrats, is just an idol. A memelord and a great singer, but an idol. She's not the technical and creative powerhouse that Ame is. Unless Gura gets the opportunity of a lifetime and we're talking a huge opportunity, the kind that turns someone into a Taylor Swift or Michael Jackson, Gura's not going to give up on her current job.And don't forget. Haachama was inactive for far longer, and yet made a big splash>b-but Haachama was sickSame shit really. Tummy hort, health problems, same shit.
>>88772273>And don't forget. Haachama was inactive for far longer, and yet made a big splash>and yet made a big splashI love historical revision too, anon!
>>88772273Wasn't Haachama unironically institutionalized?
>>887709042022 is still the worst year for Hololive in terms of the EN branch when they got closest to having several graduations. 2024 is grim but the issues that Ame has with management could be worked out if nothing goes wrong. The situation with Gura is bad and can't blame anyone for suspecting graduation but I think she is encouraging management to settle things with Ame.
I would agree except we got Roar-a and her leopard prince bikinis. Nice. I like it. It's the best. Breeding italian women on public beaches, how I met your mother.But it seems pretty obvious Cover is going through some shareholder driven restructuring at this point and no one can deny it.
worse year for small corpo bros
>>88771208Why do retards who try to bait with this never add her twitch and youtube numbers together
>>887731612024 is crazy because the holoens I see streaming the most are girls like Gigi and her lesbian harem and surprisingly IRyS (since she was absent a lot in 2023) The old lineup of Myth and Promise seems to have died as most of them got tired of streaming save for long-haulers like Kiara and Mori. It's a totally different organization.
>>88771187>Hololive
>>88772273>being Dooby has allowed her to do things she couldn't as Ame
>>88773299>twitch numbers
>>88773406? he's literally a member of holostars which is part of hololive
>>88773524>retard noises
>>88773515what the doob doing
>>88772273>being Dooby has allowed her to do things she couldn't as AmeName one thing she or kson did which they couldn't do as holos.Hard mode: fleshstreams or collabing with roommates isn't a valid answer because only idiots want that
>>88773580>which is part of hololiveretard
>>88770904Mel - irrelevant. Nobody cared when she's alive and her return isn't generating any shitposts either.A-chan - Nodoka fills the roleAqua - Didn't streamAme - Was suffering burnout and not streaming for years. Clearly got mad that her attempts at homobegging failed.Gura - Hasn't been good since 2021.
>>88773669>he doesn't want to watch kson make out with jav idols and show her ass on stream Big faggot energy
>>88773669Dooby can shill her 3D studio.
>>88773809Negligible.
>>88773669Being uncultured swines
>>88773358I mean that's what the point of new gens has always been. The new girls hungry to prove themselves stream while the OGs can rest more. That's why waiting 2 years for more girls was so painful because Myth and Council rested without anyone new to pick up the slack.
>>88770904For entire vtubing industry, lots of small corpos/agency shutting down, nijiEN in the gutter, hololive having their graduations and terminations
>>88773669Kson Mel Collab on CB. Melody was literally banned from Holo collabs.
>>88774250>Melody was literally banned from Holo collabs.For good reason too. No whores (real) allowed.
>>88773809>A-chan - Nodoka fills the roleabsolutely delusional
>>88774250You're seriously saying it's worth it to fuck off and become a 3 view like kson did just to collab with Mel?
>>88772273>But Ame actually has ideas that she wanted to try out and expand onYeah, yeah, keep spouting the LA CREATIVIDAD meme. So far, she's done jack shit with it.
>>88774042Naw. In JP you still have soda and azuki and miko streaming forever and ever. Sure some of them dropped off but it's not like EN where it's TOTAL GEN 1 DEATH. The en girls came, made a million bucks and then 75% of them decided it was time to hit the dusty trail. Meanwhile pekora wants to buy a house to keep all her monkeys and cats.
>>88773809A-chan was a 6 star pull in a 5 star gacha
>>88774373Mori and Kiara will outlive many of the EN girls
>>88774354>So farAnd how long has it been?
>>88774590The lazy whore had 2 years of doing literally nothing in hololive to prep shit. She's had plenty of time already.
>>88774678Cant help but notice you didnt answer the question
>>88774773>2 yearsAll you had to do was read, ESL-kun.
>>88774347Well that and have control over her IP, appear at cons in the flesh, be in a video game with her own face, goof off, not deal with red tape shit, and still be sitting on piles of money without splitting it with anyone.
>>88774373>>88774498Yeah, 3/5 are mostly done with it, especially after Cover fucked up Ina's plans, but those last 2 are still going strong no matter how many people want them gone.
>>88770904>>88771001> it's overno, it has begun
>>88774813>why yes, I am a disingenuous niggerThat's all you had to say
>>88775106>gets an answer>cries because he doesn't like the answerWipe your tears fag
>>88775203Blow your brains out
>>88775279Uh oh, he's having a melty!
>>88770904End of the fucking tourists, EN. Go back to twitch, ethots!
>>887709042022 was the worst year and it's not even close
>>88773779what a massive fucking cope holofags have to tell themselves they weren't betrayed
>>88775332No I'm pretty calm when I say you shouldn't be allowed to breathe
>>88775512>being able to read is now a copeYou should google the definition of the word "projection"
>>88775607I accept your concession.
>>88773161>I think she is encouraging management to settle things with AmeChumbfucks truly live in an alternate reality precipitated by chronic stream deprivation.
>>88775689I have sex with your mother and she hates you too
Retard
>>88775689NTA but why are you doing victory laps for evading a simple question?
>>88775789Damn, you can't read either. I guess it really is ESL hours.
>>887712085k, on a special event being a hololive member, yeah, thats great
>>88775645What word does it say at the top of the chart anon? Above production. What company is responsible for Hololive? Cover. What company is responsible for homos? Cover.
>>88771597>>88775442You can tell these are newfag dramatourists because they don't remember 2022 that had weeks where Kiara was the only holoEN that was streaming. Along with days with outright no streams. Then they dropped the second tempus gen in January of 2023 which enraged even the yesmen on reddit because everyone was expecting holoEN 3 to drop and finally fix the lack of streams.HoloEN was bleeding viewers back then, which they recovered after advent dropped. Meanwhile Dooby leaving had 0 effect.
>>88775836This is a joke, right? Because that's fucking terrible lmao.
>>88775863>betrayal is hiring males as part of a completely disconnected IP under COVER ownershipNext you'll cope and tell me that COVER's male engineers are also them """"""betraying"""""" the fans somehow. The homos are not hololive. Never have been. Never will be. You will continue to cope about this fact for the rest of your life.
>>88775892Doesn't matter either way because it's not remotely true.
>>88776011Who are you quoting?
>>88776011>The homos are not hololive. Never have been. Never will be. You will continue to cope about this fact for the rest of your life.This irony is delicious. This is willful self-deception and ignorance. You can deny it all you like anon. Be as obstinate as you please. But there are male talents under Hololive Production, parent company of Hololive. You can't change that by sticking your fingers in your ears.
>>88776555Lurk forever. Maybe you'll find out.
>>88776588>But there are male talents under Hololive Production, parent company of Hololive. You can't change that by sticking your fingers in your ears.I'm the one pointing out this fact to you, retard. You don't get to take this as if it supports your retarded claim. COVER can hire as many branches as they want and the homos will still never be hololive.
>>88776403>List 3/4 of her viewership in 4 daysUuuuuh doobtroons? Explain?
>>88776675Whatever delusion makes you happy anon.
>>88773358Sucks that JP gens are extremely consistent, but EN fans have to keep jumping ship when older gens stop streaming regularly.Advent and Justice have some great talent, but I miss Myth and a couple from Promise.
>>88774590It will be so until the heat death of the universe.
>>88770904No. What is it with you guys and thinking graduations equals bad for the company? People that want to pursue other opportunities should quit, that's good for the company in ever conceivable way. A company where people just linger too long is one with institutional rot that hinders growth and adaptability.It might surprise you but they have more than enough talents already, and mass collabs show that the audience is pretty split and shared across several talents. There are very few people that only watch one person, have only ever watched one person, and will only ever watch one person. Whether you give your money to Gura or to Biboo, that $5 is just as worthless chump change to Cover.Gura graduating would be the single best thing to happen for the health of the company and brand in quite a while. Unfortunately, it wouldn't be enough to make you losers shut the fuck up, nothing will ever be enough, you will always have new theories.
>>88780652The corps they anti have to be held to unrealistic standards or else their delusion becomes too incongruent from reality, even for them.If they think 3 or 4 willing graduations across 65+ talents over six years is anything but normal turnover then they must be unironically advocation for kpop style decade-lasting contracts with non competes built in
>>88780792advocating*
>>88772273Gura is not an idol, she's just a memelord content creator. Because losers wet themselves any time a female woman used their memes in a video or a song. Girls like Gura and Nyanners have no talent and nothing going for them, and they're only relevant today because anons were desperately attention starved during the 10s. That set them up to further capitalize on the lockdown.By the way, the opportunities you're talking about weren't given, they were pretty much taken by force. Both the singers you reference performed in a way that could not be ignored. People can easily ignore most vtubers.
>>88770904Ame and Gura got replaced by better counterparts in Justice. Nobody gives a shit about those whores who actively hate their fans and never stream. They're done
>>88780792Yes, but what kind of retard argues that everyone should stay or needs to be forced to stay forever for it to be a healthy business?It's beyond ridiculous. There is no example of that ever being good.
>>88780895I don't watch Gura but I don't know how anyone can stand Gigi's voice.
>>88780792>3 or 4 willing graduations across 65+ talents over six yearsI'm no mathematician but these numbers don't fucking add up to reality.
>>88781388>Ame (affiliate)>Aqua>Coco>Aloe (kinda)That's it. Rushia would sacrifice her loved ones to a beherit to get back in, same about some of the chinks who got the boot.
>>88781388which point?
>>88781681I was thinking Sana instead of Aloe when I made that postNo way Aloe wanted what went down to have happened, and she decided to quit because of her mental break
>>88776588Retard-chama, Hololive production is an umbrella term, both Hololive and Holostars are under Hololive production but that doesn't mean they are the same, that's like saying Coca-cola is the same as Fanta because Fanta is also under Coca-cola, Hololive is unironically an all girls group while Holostars is all boys group, bet you ever heard them saying them describe Hololive as josei group and Holostars as dansei group but you're too EOP to even understand that.
>>88781804I forgot Sana existed.
>>88781990fair, i did a few weeks ago too
>>88770904Like you see in this thread, holodrones don't actually care about the talents, they oshi the brand.
>>88782871>holodrones don't actually care about the talentsWhy the fuck do people always tout this. None of the talents in the OP are my oshi (Fubuki). Why the fuck would I care. I never watched them anyway. The only one in that image that I was personally sad about losing was A-chan.
>>88783026So what would you think if Fubuki graduated and other holodrones told you that she was negligible?
>>88783228>implying I would ever care what retards /here/ sayThat's your problem, not mine lmfao. /vt/ is the most meaningless community space in the entirety of the vtuber sphere.
>>88773809>A-chan - Nodoka fills the roleThere is no bigger faggot in this shithole of a board, there never will there never was, ever.
>>88770904They’re definitely paying Gura a ton of money not to graduate. She’s literally doing nothing besides the required background work.
>>88776588This but you
the golden age is long over. rigid corporate and their weird side projects killed the growth. i mourn the wasted potential
>>88781807This. There is no refuting this. Anyone who says otherwise is an actual subhuman retard who has no idea how Hololive works and is just a threadreader.
>>88773809Look at this anon being an anti to the individuals, I bet if asked who their oshi is they wouldn’t respond with someone but with Hololive as a whole. They don’t care about the girls, just the corporation
Dont you have tickets to save up for, sister?
>>88785295usually these people change their "oshi" with every new holoEN gen when they unceremoniously decide the old one was a bloody westoid whore and newko-chan is much better and is literally just like a japanese girl
Remember when Mori and Gura revealed that they weren't supposed to get this big and they expected to be just as relevant as ID?What if Gura and Ame didn't really expect for them to blow up like that and had plans to leave after the first year?That's what I think happened. Ame didn't really have long-term plans with Hololive. Gura, I suspect as well.
>>88785630Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me that JP management resented Myth's success during the pandemic. Mori got shielded from it because of her connections in the industry, but the others were targets for resentment.Gura was getting really big? Shoehorn her with our biggest JP talents to boost their numbers, even make one of the latest gen members join the group (Umisea)Mori is making music at a level that makes the other JP's look lazy? Mandate that JPs need to churn out new originals, or else!
>>88785906What kind of mental illness is this?
>>88770904over for you, since she doesn't stream and if she graduates we'll get more EN gens.
>>88787931It's always been some Pencil pushers who hate gaijins.
>>88785295Nah, my oshi still streams and enjoys putting out content. That's why she's my oshi.
>>88770904Literally the only one of these i care about is A-chan.
>>88770904If Gura graduated literally right now NOTHING would change.
>>88772273What amazing and creative things have Dooby done that she absolutely couldn't do in Hololoive?????
>>88789418thats not true. there would be new merch dropping for her graduation.
>>88770904How is it bad when those people don't even stream? Nothing burger.
>>88772273Creative freedom kek. She is doing what she does in Holo but only new thing is whoring her avatar
>>88770904Gura is not leaving she's being paid to do literally nothing lol.
>>88770904It's about time. I'm so done with anons constantly praising Hololive, we need an industry shakeup.
>>88773809A-chan leaving was the equivalent of Cody Rhodes leaving AEW, once he left everything in aew went to shit, that's how much level of tardwrangling a-chan was responsible for. Nodoka doesn't even speak English, A-chan did which helped communication with talent and client better.
>>88770904Ame>has been dead for a yearGura>has been dead for yearsAqua>has been dead for yearsMel>never been relevantOnly real loss would be A chan so no.
>>88789895what's wrong with franchise fees?
>>88770904Its unironically the best EN year ever
>>88773809>they hated him because he spoke the truth
>>88770904prophetic kek
>>88790063AEW was already in this shit the moment that TK is main booker, Cody leaving is already on the stone with how aew was booked back then.The kicker here is AEW knows it's in the shit when Vinnymac was ousted as head of wwe and head of creative passed to HHH, they can't just make excuse that they're doing a better program because the other company is booking shit, when the booking started to get better with Hunter as head of creative and HBK for NXT
>>88775789NTA but I mean, if Shiori didn't exist and doing all the La Creatividad shit Ame claimed she wanted to do in Hololive you know...while's Shiori's in Hololive, then anon wouldn't have a point but the mere fact that Shiori exists and has done more shit Ame claimed she wanted to do than Ame has done in less time makes anon actually have a point.
>>88770904> Is 2024 the worst year for Hololive ever?No because gura is not going to graduate in 2024, unlike what you spergs have been saying for the last 2 years
>>88770904Well something is changing for sure. >MelGot fired for something weird, literally out of the blue. Probably blew up on someone in a meeting because the announcement literally said they both agreed on parting ways.>A chanLeft Cover, doesn’t wanna be there anymore>AquaLiterally was whistleblowing about something big changing from within before announcing graduations>AmeTired of corpo stuff, left cus wanted more freedom>GuraThe sunflower thing in members but desu she been like this before. The worst shit for Gura probably that cover stonewalled her on Miku stuff only to see the nijihomo get her. Cover offers her nothing at this point except rejections.>other points1.Suddenly they got more perms for songs2.Kiara the whole being bummed about something being confirmed.
>>88793853Whether it's late 2024 or early 2025, it doesn't really matter now does it?
>>88794266>>Melleaked intel, she directly told us about it, and that cover was right for firing her because she damaged the company by revealing trade secrets to a rival corporation. She literally, word for word, told us that she fucked up and fessed up to cover about it. Cover still allowed her one last stream so she could say goodbye (while acting sneaky about it so they wouldn't get sued)>>88794614>gura's going to graduate in 2022 its so over chumkeks>gura's going to graduate in 2023 its so over chumkeks>gura's going to graduate in 2024 its so over chumkeks>gura's going to graduate in 2025 its so over chumkeksI mean by definition you will be right eventually, but if you are always calling it, it doesn't really matter now does it? Do you know the story of the trans that called wolf?
>>88771208>Doesnt add twitch and yt numberslets see shiori's real ccv
>>88776675>NO IT ISN'T HOLOLIVE"literally saids under Hololive production"KEK>NO IT ISN'T
>>88795497whenever they have to specify just one branch they always call homos "holostar" and not hololiveEvery single time, they call girls hololive, and homos homostars.Yes you can use the more generic term to refer to something but unless you are absolutely retarded you never do if you can otherwiseThis is what you sound like>give me that fruit>what fruit>fruit>do you mean a melon you absolute retard? >but its the same thing?>no its not the same thing, are you mentally disabled?
>>88795625They also refer to holostars and hololive as holopro or hololive production so idk what you are saying.
>>88795625Melon is a fruit anon...
>>88791967Reminds me of when Kson started saying her Kamioshi was Kiryu Coco. Funny how that works.
>>88795953Not all melons are fruit, actually. Some are considered vegetables, and then there's sweater melons to consider.
>>88770904Justice already made this the best year for EN
>>88770904I thought so when my kamioshi graduated but then she reincarnated and got bigger numbers than every corpo vtuber combined
>>88770904towa would be included if JPbros actually cared about all the flirting she does with her FGC friend
>>88796434All melons are fruit, vegetable isn't a respected taxonomical category.
>>88796605Lol. Okay buddy, next you'll tell me bananas are fruit too.
>>88796434wtf is a sweater melon?
>>88783228Tbf people have been saying that about my oshi and she's doing very well as an indie.
>>88797105A distant relative of the spaghetti squash, the fruits fibers are arranged such that they knit into a fully formed sweater once cut in half
>>88797080Its ok to be a bit different anon, also they are.
>>88789418This board would become a toxic cesspit, but I could also deploy a gura filter.
>>88797203I just tried searching sweater melon and all i got were tits I feel betrayed.
>>88796552>>88797186Go back to your contaiment thread >>88790981 Oh, I forgot that is totally barren that you need to spam outside of it!
>>88797716Found the holo bootlicker. It's not my fault my oshi gets more views than yours.
>>88778356>Sucks that JP gens are extremely consistent, but EN fans have to keep jumping ship when older gens stop streaming regularly.You can't seriously believe this when old genners like Ayame, Shion, Choco-sen, and Haachama rarely stream now.
>>88773669Playing games without relying on perms. Singing without relying on perms. Basically anything without perms.
>>88770904Elira lost
>>88771001rip
>>88770904and nothing of value was lost
No
>>88770904I wonder what A-chan is up to now.
funny enough it's actually been one of their best years of growth despite what shitposters try to latch on to.honestly, what sort of unrealistic standard do these fags try and use whenever they imply absolutely noone should ever ever leave or else it "looks bad"?maybe holo shoul slap their talents with 20 year long contracts with their families as collateral instead?
>>88804246I wonder if gigi feels the same way
>>88771745I wanna kiss her soles
>>88770904Hololive was and always will be JP first.En chuubas are amusing but they aren't what matters for the company, Hololive was great before EN and it will be great after EN if necessary.
>>88773669Not dealing with perms alone is enough reason to leave
>>88770904In the beginning it was kind of rough dealing with the constant shitposting, but I’m glad I stuck with Mori and Kiara as my favorites. The’ve had some tough times but are so consistent now even after four years and a ton of content.
>>88771187I actually miss him
I didn't watch any of them. The holos that actually matter are still going strong. Miko just had her first solo live.
For better or worse hololive is going through some growing pains right now. Cover decided to push more on the idol and sponsorship side, and some of the girls who got in early are having cold feet about it.The question is, who in EN might quit beside Gura?There are some girls who aren't fans of idoling, like Fauna, but at the same time they might like the opportunities (yes, even financial) that being in hololive gives them.
>>88810952Joe's graduating
>>88795816Can't tell if you're actually retarded or just pretending, both melon and apple are under fruit category but melon isn't apple the aren't the same, both Hololive and Holostars are under Hololive production but Holostars isn't Hololive, is it really that hard to understand?
>>88771187This is what caused Nene's latest meltdown.
>>88812071Both melon and apple are still fruit, both hololive and holostars are both hololive production, Yea not that hard to understand
>>88812071"Hololive"
>>88810952Moom
>>88770904It could always get worse.
>>88810952>The question is, who in EN might quit beside Gura?In Myth? MAYBE Ina. The problem is that Ina, Kiara, and especially Mori are all benefiting far more because of their skillset compared to Ame and Gura. Ame was a ""creative"" and ultimately that doesn't get you mashups or crossovers. Gura, while sure she has the Doyers partnership alongside Peko and Suisei, seems at least mildly checked out, and besides having a pretty solid singing voice doesn't bring much to the table. Kiara is a very solid jack-of-all-trades type, with a decent business acumen. Despite her lack of SPECIFIC skills, she will carry on with Hololive. Mori has alright business acumen too, and is using her (questionable) ability to rap to get features, and is using that leverage to strengthen her RM's career as well. Ina is an artist, and uses her place at Hololive to secure contracts that way. As far as Myth is concerned at least, I truly doubt you see another grad besides Gura. Council/Promise aren't TOO gassed yet, so it's hard to say if we're gonna see anything else come from that. Gun to my head, if I had to pick one, probably Mumei. Advent is wayyyy too new to know for sure.
>>88810952InaKroniiMumei
>>88812397>Both melon and apple are still fruitDoesn't mean they are the same.
>>88814861A fruit is a fruit
>>88770904Nah it's still better than 2022
>>88815058Pretending to be retarded is still retarded
>>88770904A-chan is unironically the biggest loss on this list
>>88816253>homowhoreglad she's gone
>>88771187What did he do?
>>88815918Every apple has its sub category and is not the same apple, at the end of the day it's a fruit, but you can always choose to be retard
>>88773809A-chan was 10x better than nodoka and it's not even close.
meru :(
>>88773814>has to pay them like all the ojisans they fuck as well
>>88817221meru :)
>>88773250Raora's voice is so hot...
>>88811505I'll bite. Who's joe?
>>88817371>That second comment>UOOOToT
I just think Gura fans are weird so i wouldnt mind her leaving
>>88817868ur wird
>>88817478That would be your mother.
>>88816714>sub categoryHoly retard, sounded like you don't even know that category and sub category have different meaning.Holostars isn't sub category of Hololive, they are different category, maybe this would help your retarded brain >>88773779
>>88816396sekuhara
>>88818507sub category of sub categories, and a category of Hololive production
>>88817126Can't imagine anyone legitimately thinking otherwise. A-chan was the legit kind of PR person that grows up with the company and knows it inside and out and finds themselves in an outward facing role. Nodoka was hired from the start to be PR and groomed to be her replacement. I like her fine but there's no comparison.
>>88818919Hololive production, not Hololive, do you also got confused because they both got "Hololive" in their name?
It is bad already as it is.If OP actually eats pagpag, then it is business as usual.
>>88819556"Hololive" ok
>>88770904I only like promise and justice
>>88794706>I mean by definition you will be right eventually, but if you are always calling it, it doesn't really matter now does it? This. The wolf cries should have died the moment a year passed and Gura didn't leave in 2023. That Ame left before Gura or Ina is very unexpected in of itself and proves people didn't know Ame, Gura or Ina. /vt/ can't repeat schizo talk points using inevitable realities and then claim "victory" years later on events that would have taken place naturally.
And it still isn't over!
It is holover!
>>88770904If it wasnt for covid 2020 would probably be worse
>>88785906>Myth debuts after NePoRaBo and outshines them>Next 2 EN gens have Japanese groups released shortly after
