>>88797817
It feels good to hold out and be on the winning side of history, finally, the great scourge of EN Vtubing is going down

>>88797817
This is like the 4th simultaneous thread
Good job retard

>>88797817
why did you make a duplicate thread retardchama? >>88795834

>>88797817
>witnessing history

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forget senzawa… yagoo is graduating first

>>88797817
>Her oshi is gone
>Her best friend that she always relies on is gone
>Her projects are finally getting accepted after 3 years (but now she has to actually make them, which means more delays or taking the risk of getting them canceled again) or they get cancelled
I would quit too if I was her, but if I was someone from advent, justice, IRyS, Bae, Mori, Ina and Kiara, nah, it's still worth it

>>88797817
create more threads!

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>>88797970
Where's the imploding

>>88797817
management will not take action and everything will go on as usual, screencap this

>>88798374
Talents's heart and motivation
Number monkey

>>88798205
Honestly yeah, it was pretty fucking obvious. But heyyyyy chumbuds are gonna say:
> She was hacked
> Why would she leave, she still has 6th fest merch appearing!!!
> She is numbah one vtuber, she will lose her opportunities if she graduates, there is no reason to graduate.

Cope, cope chumbuds...anyways looks like Ame -> Dooby was also a secret for some reason to see how much it would affect the fans, so I think right now Gura is like 99% confident she will be better than ever as an indie, she will lose Gura forever but she will still keep her influence.

>>88797817
First Ame, now Gura, then Ina
Trinityfags win in the end

>>88798451
Lmao
They will use Banishment room to her like they did to Coco

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>>88797817
the only thing imploding is the catalog, as usual.
you know how hard it is to keep a split alive even without dramafags shitting up the board over nothing?

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>>88798151
nice blogpost faggot

>>88797817
I remember where I was when Angelina and Brad seperated. this reminds me of that

>>88798530
Hard to banish someone who never streams anyway

>>88797817
It's holover.

>>88797817
i really do wonder when niji management will finally realize they're just wasting money spamming 4chan which has nowhere near the same pull of its jp equivalent

>>88798530
Oh no! Think of all the Gura streams we will miss because of this!...

Anon if you got into vtubing with the debut of Advent you'd think Gura had already retired years ago. If you want to see a Gura stream you don't look for a schedule, you look for an archive.

>>88798451
>management will not take action and everything will go on as usual
Gura is refusing to shill merch and has been locked out of her Hololive accounts so it's already bad. Management knows they can't do too much since they don't want to look like the bad guys. Still there is a good chance that Gura will be radio silent until 2025.

Oh nyo

>>88799335
>locked out
how do you know this

>>88799511
I made it up.

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Just take it and fuck off please.

>>88797817
about fucking time. take everyone in myth while you're at it. they never did anything anyway, they just became popular because they were the first en gen. myth is useless.

>>88799552
i appreciate the honesty

>>88797817
>Holo graduates
>History in the making
>Niji graduates
>Just another day ending in Y
get fucked nijiniggers.

>>88800787
t.seething adventard

>>88800787
newsflash the only people worth watching in holoEN were already worth watching as indies so nothing changed.

>>88797817
>accounts op follows
>griftin pippa
>phase connect

>>88797817
Look guys I posted it again

full colour was the begnin of the end

>>88799511
Do you think a Hololive talent can skip a merch shilling event like her anniversary without pissing off management? They haven't even attempted to explain why Gura has gone radio silent but it's definitely related to why Ame is currently an indie vtuber.

>>88804321
>Do you think a Hololive talent can skip a merch shilling event like her anniversary without pissing off management?
Who knows
>They haven't even attempted to explain why Gura has gone radio silent
They never do
>t but it's definitely related to why Ame is currently an indie vtuber.
You dont know that

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I don't see how the fuck people think HoloEN isn't doing great, picrel.
Unless you retards think a graduation (forget how this shit is dumb rratmancery at this point anyway just like the uh oh tweet 2 years ago) is supposed to mean instadeath for a corpo, but if so NijiEN and Vshojo have to have died tons of times for that to be true

>>88804471
>#
retard

>>88804471
Shoo, monkey.

Gura is dead. Long live Gura.

>>88797817
Where is the "WhereIsGura" hastag?

>>88798451
Not quite. The entirety of the non-Hololive vtuber community is first going to try leeching off this like they did with the “uh oh” tweet, and then everything will go on as usual.

TCD

>>88799311
>if you got into vtubing with the debut of Advent
No one did this

>>88805792
anon...

>>88805918
is it not just leftovers from the covid boom?

>>88797817
I like how schizos are trying to make mental flips and make up stuff from graduation to pregnancy.
It is then repeated by sisters because they finally have anything that can be used to own le holochuds
But the truth is that she probably got drunk a bit more than usual, lost contact with her brain and did something retarded

>>88803539
hmm

It'll be more funny if this ended up to be a nothingburger. Dramafags will seethe

What's the point in even arguing over it?
She doesn't stream now, she won't stream if she goes indie.

>>88806704
No actually a guraduation is objectively the funniest outcome and if you deny it you are coping.

>>88806778
Well the hope is she WILL stream as an indie, see: amelia watson

the endless gura seethe never gets old. you losers are so jealous of her.

>>88806850
>Well the hope is she WILL stream as an indie
She streamed like once every 2 months as an indie. Doobus streamed 5-6 times a week from 2018-2019 if I recall. The track record is not there.

>small corpos are falling apart with mass closures and graduations
>big corpos are falling apart with long-time staff walking out and mass graduations
Vtubing is dead. Long live Vtubing.

>>88806812
Graduation is the expected outcome. Her going back like nothing happened will make dramafags seethe and she'll get the last laugh.

>>88803539
It's not two separate accounts, it's a single account
>Pipkin Pippa _ Phase Connect
The oshi marks are in between

Do it Gura, this has been the most craziest year for EN vtubers. Let's end it with a bang!

>>88807106
The era of indie vtubing is upon us whether we like it or not. Gone are the days of applying to a corpo to become an idol, have luck getting inside a streamer clique for clout.

>>88797817
DOXXING BAN HER JANNIES
AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGHH

TOTAL IMPLOSION

>>88797817
Forsen announced his retirement yesterday

>>88798374
>NIJISANJI EN and hololive Indonesia are almost equal
I knew that NIJISANJI EN is on the decline, but this is GRIM! Sad.
>Verification not required.

>>88807229
Naw it'll be funnier if she fucks off, then she comes back in 3 years when she needs money as a hag.
>bill yourself as a zoomer brat
>get old

>>88803539
>dooby doki OP girl pippa and filian all in a collab

>>88806850
When she was an indie she was quite literally known to drop off the face of the earth for several months because she's a depressed alcoholic.

>>88797817
Nope, EN is more popular than ever but if Gura is going affiliate or graduate, it well left a stains in Holo reputation for sure

>>88797817
SHE'S ESCAPING
MAN THE HARPOONS

If it happens, Gura should get on Holotalk with Kiara and reenact the scene from Joker 1

>>88807855
ESL-king

>>88807855
>Employee who doesn't work leaves
>This damages the reputation of the company somehow
???

>>88797817
Nice following list plapcuck

I find it interesting that someone couldn't both say 'That's a bit weird and direct' while also not openly shitting on Cover. You fags make it out like anyone who says her directly linking herself is abnormal is someone who's also screaming 'HOLOEN IS DEAD'.

>>88797817
It's so fucking over, the Holodrone seething will be glorious

>>88808923
It's called bants

>>88809081
It's called strawmanning and deflection.

>>88808923
These people already operate on the assumption that Cover is a black company and it's only a matter of time before the truth is revealed (two more weeks, as always) so of course anything and everything will be interpreted with that assumption in mind. Ina getting fucked by JP visa autism? Cover is doomed! Bae coughing on stream? It's over for Cover! Irys talking about meeting some friends in a cafe? She's planning to leave and Cover screwed her over!

>>88797817
& who though

>>88797817
AS WE GO ON. WE REMEMBER.

She wouldn't do Sakuna numbers.

>>88797817
In all seriousness if she leaves, i leave hololive too. I will follow her wherever.

>>88809408
Where is she now?

Holodrones are the walking definition of "can't take what they dish out" holy shit

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>>88807229
>Graduation is the expected outcome.
Nah she pulled this bait once already. Boy crying wolf and all that.

>>88809551
>Holo laughs at me for being shit
>So when I then make shit up and laugh about it that's the same!?
Lol. What a shit.

>>88809637
The boy crying wolf gets eaten by a wolf after everyone stops believing him though. Not the best reference to make there buddy.

>>88809408
Even if she starts whoring out?

>>88809739
>Starts
He wouldn't be a chumbud if he thought that would be a new development.

>>88809709
The point is, just like how everyone stopped expecting the wolf, so is a departure here of little expectation.

>>88809918
That part was obvious, yes, the fact that you felt the need to reaffirm that makes you look rather stupid.

>>88809739
>starts

you never followed her before holo

>>88807106
it's because of AI girlfriends. 2 guys i know stop supporting vtubers and onlyfans and is only talking.

yes.
TALKING to their AI girlfriends.

>>88809709
The thing is that the boy isn't even crying wolf in this case. He's doing tiktok dances and a group of schizos is insisting that he's about to get eaten by a wolf.

>>88804524
>>88804833
>EN IS DYING
>>okay but what about proof to the contrary
>DOESN’T COUNT

>>88810109
I asked this question precisely because I followed her before holo, guess i should have added "again"

>>88810492
Gawr Gura is the beating heart of hololive english you adventmonkey

Mori CEO has been a disaster for hololive.

>>88810755
kill yourself ennacuck

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>>88797817
>Is holoEN imploding?
yeah, losing someone who streams 100 hours in a year is going to fucking destroy hololive.

>>88810755
Geocentric delusion does not make for reality, anon.

>>88797817
I remember these exact same threads when she made that tweet in 2022. I don't think she's going anywhere, she likes the idol stuff too much, much more than the streaming stuff which was the opposite for Ame. I think the only reason she's been "more" active on that account is because she wanted to follow Dooby and figured she may as well do a few other things while she was logged into it. I really wouldn't read too much into the situation. it could be bad, sure, but it could also be literally nothing like 2 years ago. better off living your life not stressing over something like this.

>>88811524
directly referring to her holo self is way more than a meme tweet

>>88798530
How the fuck are they going to banish someone who is already in self exile?

>>88811524
Except that uh oh tweet was made when she was streaming

>>88811560
>>88811634
people still had the same reaction to it. that account literally had zero activity for 2 years until a few days ago when she followed dooby. you can speculate all you want, but I just think if she was actually graduating, she wouldn't have waited a month to follow her close friend on her personal account that she only logs into once every 2 years. it's not like this has even been the longest stretch without streams or showing up in collabs for her. a lot of you are too eager to doompost at the slightest hint of anything bad.

What was the context of the uh oh tweet again?

I just want her to be okay. I know it's stupid but I still get worried a bit when she's been gone for a while. Even if she doesn't stream, just a little "I'm alive check out this jam I made" post or something would be nice.

>>88811972
>doompost
Potentially getting notGurame seems like a good thing to me

>>88811982
there wasn't context. she just tweeted it out.

>>88812101
Gura doesn't necessarily have to graduate for that. some of StarsEN collabed with Doki on their personal accounts like right after she got fired. different company, I know, but the principle is the same.

>>88811982
Scheduled tweet
Thats all there was to it

>>88797817
>Is myth imploding?
FTFY

>>88804471
Now remove the raids

>>88811982
>What was the context of the uh oh tweet again?
If I remember well the context was that management was being visibly shitty and Gura was beginning her irregular streams arc.

>>88811982
homo gen 2 announcement

>>88812816
why? it's the box

>>88797817
I mean, if Gura does leave? So? Marketing wise Cover can just pull the affiliate thing, but it is honestly no loss in terms of streaming at this point, she has been doing almost nothing these past few years and from what other Myth members have said she doesn't communicate much either. Calli and Kiara are carrying Myth on their shoulders as far as streaming, music and collabs go (nothing against Ina, I like her a lot but she does not put in the same amount of legwork), and they honestly have plenty of other EN girls to collab with anyway. Nothing will be lost of Gura leaves at this point.

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>SNZW return stream opens up with her singing I'M BACK

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>>88797817
Plappa

>>88813727
We don't really know what affiliate means. Like Ame hasn't really been included in much after her NotGraduation aside from the eurobeat thing. That stuffs alright for Cover but it's not a really money maker like Gura's Taiwan Collab or the aquarium and who knows if they'd be able to do something like that when she's just an affiliate

>>88797817
this is just them now allowing the policy where talents get to reveal their VA's information if they want to.

>>88811982
We don't really know. She tweeted it at like 4AM so some people think it was scheduled.

>>88797970
>Tourist liggers falseflagging as OG Ken-samas.
Hilarious.

>>88812243
Different branch, different rules.
Mumei had to use her RM to collab with Doki.

>>88814434
Proof or it didn't happen.

>>88814434
Mumei's RM never collabed with her, retard.

>>88814512
>>88814561
Hey remember the time that Shachi showed up in Doki's lore video as a Dragoon, and then that one clipper put out a video saying that Mumei was in the lore video, and then Shachi tweeted out that she doesn't much appreciate it when works that she does as Shachi get credited to other entities, and then the clipper got the hint and took down that video? That was awesome!

There are two possibilities here:

A) Gura is leaving soon and has for whatever reason decided to do this as a signal that it's happening
B) Gura isn't planning on leaving anytime soon and is just doing this to fuck with people

Considering it's Gawr fucking Gura we're talking about here I think B is significantly more likely to be the case.

>>88811972
normally I would agree but it's unprecdented to refer to your current self from your PL in holo, there isn't a single fucking example of that in 7 years on the JP side, and we know damn well some of those girls would absolutely do this if they were allowed to directly funnel/shill each of their accounts. I dunno if that literally means graduation/she already left etc either, but it's way way way more notable than "she followed dooby so what."

so how's niji en doing these days?

>>88813752
That would be pretty kino, honestly

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Enough is enough

No more cope

Accept the truth

>>88815401
You know shits getting bad when 'doing better than NijiEN' is the best you can say

>>88815180
>there isn't a single fucking example of that in 7 years on the JP side, and we know damn well some of those girls would absolutely do this if they were allowed to directly funnel/shill each of their accounts.
You are pretending that Myth finding ways to shill their other personas in blatant ways is "unprecedented" for some reason. As if two different personas haven't appeared on the same exact stremaing channels multiple times. Face it, holoEN has always been way more lax about this than JP was.

>>88815551
what truth? i will always support here even when she goes that way

>>88815665
No one has fucking directly linked it, retard

>>88812243
And on the JP side Coco's RM has collabed with Choco, Mel(pre-termination), and Calli's RMs. The only restriction RM accounts seem to have is that you can't use a vtuber avatar, everything else is fair game as long as you don't break NDA.

>>88797817
Why is this bad?

Senzawa is a fan of Gawr Gura. I don't see a problem.

anyone saying this breaks an NDA is a retard, she clearly talked with her lawyer about this lol

>>88815180
Kson has repeatedly said that Kiryu Coco is her oshi- admittedly I don't think she did that until after she graduated, but I don't see why she wouldn't be under the same rules post-Holo that she was while she was in Holo in terms of NDA.

>>88815862
as others have said, if you want to read into it like that, gura has already officially left and it hasn't been announced yet. aka no this isn't a nothingburger at all.

>>88815797
it's just gura reminding cover who really holds the power

she wants them to stop fucking around and do more CGDCT

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>>88804471
You're comparing a day with THREE karaokes and a 1 million milestone challenge with a day with some minecraft and chatting streams. These dates aren't comparable at all
Not to mention those minecraft streams overlapped each other and so were adding to the total box whereas the karaokes and other streams all raided into each. Completely disingenuous comparison. It's so bad it makes me want to dick you down with the actually impressive numbers from 2021. Halloween streams all overlapping each other here btw.

>>88816003
>gura has already officially left and it hasn't been announced yet
Schizo fucking nonsense. She secretly left and Cover just decided to not announce it yet for some reason? Why would it make sense for Cover to do that rather than rip the band-aid off and announce it when it happened?

>>88815718
Name one single example of a holoJP directly linking their personas together by regularly appearing as both on someone else's vtuber channel, you retard, still waiting for one example. And yes, that is as serious as this twitter shit you want to dramafag over.

>>88816062
if Gura is so powerful then why isn't she trying to get Kiara and Mori terminated?

I'd like to believe that Cover would pay Gura whatever she wants to get her to stay considering how valuable she is as a marketing asset but knowing them they may actually be retarded enough to let her go.

>>88816003
Retard.

>>88816385
Not sure what your goalposts for "regularly" are but Calli's collabed with Ironouse as both her Holo and RM personas (Mousey even slipped up once and called her RM "Calli" by accident)

>>88816490
her issue is with management not the girls
the GIRLS hold the power, not yahoo, not the managers, not the execs and ESPECIALLY not da bois

without the girls they're literally nothing

>>88816375
Amelia had decided to leave months before the announcement and told the rest of EN in NY for breaking dimensions. The graduation decision does not align with when cover announces it.

>>88816641
Yeah, but from how it's being phrased >>88816003 doesn't seem to be saying that she pulled the trigger on graduating/affilate-ing already but that she's already out the door and they've just decided not to announce that she's gone yet.

>>88797817
so she's asking to get terminated? maybe she'd get a payout if they rip her contract up instead of amicably graduating

>>88810755
>Gawr Gura is the beating heart of hololive english
lol

>>88810755
that's objectively Kiara
>but
I said what I said

>>88816062
It's always funny when Holocope amounts to Anon just projecting his fantasies onto the talents.

Can we finally post s*n*a*a without meidos getting pissy at us?

>>88817299
Hololive... only grows stronger >:3

>>88816375
It would be a tad awkward to say, "the baseball girl quit in the middle of the season," and maybe break whatever contract is there.

It also might not be quitting, per say, but not renewing the contract instead.

>>88811982
there is no context but, it should be noted that at that time Hololive was full pro-Homo
That tweet came out a week after this song

>https://youtu.be/wFTSE4h4SSs

>>88797817
I hope she does and then actually streams because that would mean 99% of this boards chronic shitpost spammers will be too busy watching strams after 4 years of begging for scraps.

>>88797817
Finall, EN shart could die with their unprofitable branch.

>>88817313
Maybe that was her goal.

another vshojo w

>>88818614
they already have Hime

>>88797817
>Outing yourself as a jealous Phase fan

>>88818739
every time a corpo member leaves to become an indie it's a vshojo w, joining not required
it's just confirmation that talent freedom and happiness is more important than #

>>88807106
Vtubing is just another tech bubble and clearly was one of the most overblown from the lockdown era.

>>88816375
Anon...it happens literally every time unless they are terminated. Amelia and Aqua leaving was decided months before it was announced. So was Coco.

>>88816833
That doesn't mean there's no lead time. It's very possible Gura just didn't want to do the whole graduation streaming/collab marathon and would rather exit the back door quietly.

>>88816544
I think the point they were trying to make is that when you see slip-ups, they scrub the archive and some get nervous (see Kiara) or upset (see Noel) when they fuck up and accidentally say their name on stream. This is her blatantly referencing herself outright, no accidental, just a direct mention of her other self in a very forward-facing spot.

>>88811982
>What was the context of the uh oh tweet again?
We never got a clear answer but Gura made that tweet during that 3 month "health" break with Ina. A month later Vesper was getting into a huge fight with management over his 2.0 model redesign and got the first suspension in Holostars so a lot of fishy things happened in 2022. It was obvious that not having any input on their designs was a huge issue with Myth, Council, and Tempus.

>>88819219
Right. There's a difference between accidentally slipping up and brazenly breaking the rules. And lets not pretend it's not a rule, if hotlinking your Holo account on your private account was allowed 99% of the girls would be doing it.

>>88798467
but council and myth's motivation imploded years ago

>>88809709
lol this is like when people use "just 1 bad apple!" as excuse. When they literally agree to the whole sayings point.

>>88819493
Bae's had a huge increase in productivity, Mori has done more and more collabing and general music like she always has, and Kiara keeps putting out more and more original music. The ones who weren't all-in on the streaming stuff seem to be doing just fine as they push along. Even Ina lately has seemed pretty hyped up on doing more with others and creating general content.

>>88817313
Mods are holofanatics so if a whore leaves holo then they will allow anything to post against the.

>>88798530
using the banishment room implies they care about the en branch. gura was a rhombus for years while shitters like flare got updates

>>88797817
>no posts since 2022
kys retard
>>88798451
She unironically has done nothing wrong though. Literally nobody gives a shit about PLs any more, as evidenced by the fact that this thread is still up. Although honestly they should delete this thread just for trying to suck the last few remnants of IQ out of the catalog.
>>88798530
Learn English before pretending (You) know literally anything about vtubers, retard.

>Gura does nothing
>the entire board and twitter explodes
>Gura does something
>the entire board and twitter explodes
Hmm… for someone they swear has no influence they sure love to talk about her. Gura is the one that shall not be named, the image that creeps into your brain regardless of if you don’t like her or love her, her very existence is stained into your memory and it haunts you.

>>88820385
>for someone they swear has no influence
literally no one says this

>>88820575
adventbabies do

>>88818960
Pretty much. You can see the pump and dump and all the VCs pulling out through the numerous small corpo deaths though year. And the weird decisions being made by the boards of big JP companies like Cover, Anycolor, and Brave all point to these investors getting antsy and wanting to see real returns on these virtual idol projects.

>>88820790
Ironic considering her average stream CCV makes up more than all of theirs combined even before her recent inconsistent streaming patterns

This will all be so incredibly Funny if she’s doing this to fuck with retards /here/

>>88818960
Given the CCV of Aqua's graduation stream the bubble is still growing.

>>88797817
Imagine being retarded enough to still give a shit about that bitch. She stopped being relevant like two years ago.

>>88800787
Mori is literally the only member of HoloEN who has actually done anything worth bragging about in her Hololive career.

>>88797817
I don't get it. What is that screenshot supposed to show?

in the end it truly was a hollow life

>>88816358
mythmania still in effect there, all i want to portray is EN improving and not reclining, hence the same day

>>88819353
>if hotlinking your Holo account on your private account was allowed 99% of the girls would be doing it

Why? Holomems' PLs are such open secrets that doing it would do basically nothing to boost their visbility. Their Holo accounts are an order of magnitude bigger than their PLs; if you're following them you're most likely doing it precisely because you already know who they are in Holo.

And the idea that saying you're a fan of someone is equivalent to saying you are that person is ridiculous. Nobody who stumbled upon Senzawa's account not knowing who she is would read her bio and have the slightest suspicion that she literally was Gawr Gura; it only reads as an admission if you have the context of already knowing that it's her.

>>88821626
She hotlinked her Gawr Gura account at the top of her PL account, while leaving space after the & to slot in her new persona/account when it's ready to reveal.

It's not something she could get away with if Cover had even a figleaf of leverage over her. She's gone.

>>88821902
Oh well she barely streams these days anyway so nothing is gonna happen even if she's gone.

>>88803539
She is Sakana's lapdog, don't listen to her.

>>88797817

here is my rrat:

it means the opposite of what is doomed here

Gura getting aware of many people claiming that she would propably leave soon, because Ame did
She wants to assure her fans, that she will not do it like am and stay Gura forever
Therefore, she makes it clear on her RM/PL Account, that she is Gura biggest fan
She loves Gura, she wants Gura to succeed, she wants Gura to make more concerts, collabs, whatever in the future
>#1 Gura fan
NOT #1 Sen fan, get it?

it was meant to calm people down

>>88821902
>while leaving space after the &
she did not
after the & it says "youtube.com/senzawa"
is everyone too dumb to read? it is literally there in the picture
everything before the "joined" is the description.
why u guys always discuss twitter when noone seems to know how it actually works?

>>88822996
>after the & it says "youtube.com/senzawa"
That's the link. That's not part of the bio.

>>88822438
Nah, it just means Gura is going to be skinwalked for anything semi-important.

>>88822438
Retard
The & is her next reincarnation as a sunflower girl

It's guraover

>>88798099
I can't wait to tell my grandkids about the time senzawa updated her xwitter bio

>>88798151
Can’t believe the jannies are so retarded you are still around with your 2 like faggot post.

>>88807320
>gone are the days of sucking corporate dick
>now you must suck indie dick to be popular

>>88821902
Damn I knew twitter was shit these days but I had no idea people had to schedule bio changes in advance. That's a hell of a protection against bots though

>>88797817
I’m accetting bets how many times this raiding faggot will post absolutely nothing until his brain explodes.

>>88822438
>it was meant to calm people down
How does Gura not streaming while changing her RM account to include "#1 fan of Gura & (some other vtuber not yet mentioned)" going to calm down her fans? I don't think she is leaving Hololive but this feels like it was meant to get attention.

It's so fucking over

>>88807855
How would an employee leaving on good terms or as an affiliate leave a bad stain on Cover's record?

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>>88811972
>that account literally had zero activity for 2 years until a few days ago when she followed dooby
Wrong

>>88826527
Wait for the cope to flow.

>>88826704
When is it happening then? Management is awake and shilling ame bee merch

hololive antis live in bizzaro world I swear, how can one corpo mindbreak people like this, it's just cute anime girls playing video games, who cares if hololive is better than your 3view literal who company

>>88826527
This retard actually thinks Risu is her last follow. Is it a joke?

>>88826841
Very soon, probably within the next few weeks

>>88797817
>Is holoEN imploding?
Because the ones that don't stream are active on their PLs?

I genuinely feel bad for Gura at this point lmao
Add a single joke alluding to something that most people already know and you've got thousands of people over-analyzing it and calling it the end of days.

...that being said, here's my over-analysis: My personal theory is that she wants to stream independently of cover a bit more, maybe with Dooby, and this is just a cheeky way of making sure people make the connection when she appears on stream.
Would certainly not be the first time talents streamed independently without 'graduating'

what kind of mental gymnastics are these people performing to reach the conclusion that linking gura on her rm is somehow meant to take her fans there, a lot of gura fans already know who senzawa is but senzawa fans might have no idea who gura is

>>88827787
and now Kiara is tied into all this now because people think her venting about an unrelated problem was her sad about Gura

>>88828190
This happened many times already and nobody thinks kiara's outbursts mean anything important anymore

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>>88827787
>My personal theory is that she wants to stream independently of cover a bit more, maybe with Dooby

it wont be long now :^)

>>88826527
excuse me for not using the literal definition of "literally", but I was being hyperbolic. she had liked a few tweets after the "Uh oh" tweet as well, but none of her activity on that twitter account between the one tweet 2 years ago and the recent description change were of notable significance. people have been saying Gura will graduate non-stop since December.... of 2020. it becomes a little hard to believe that one fucking change on an account she barely used even before hololive is indicative of anything when I've been told every week for the last 4 fucking years that Gura was going to graduate before Ame despite Gura consistently saying how much she enjoys being hololive and has plans several years in advance in hololive when she actually does stream, but you wouldn't know anything about that because you don't watch streams, you just shitpost on /vt/

>Imploding
This is just Gura reminding everyone whose king as she sends the entire vtuber sphere into chaos without a single word. Advent simply cannot compete.

>>88827787
>wants to stream independently of cover a bit more
give me a break, this is just a massive cope for graduation and you know it

>>88828331
default character model in warudo but good try

>>88815551
>baitfag attempts to use meme
>writes the more convoluted longer text at the top
I knew baitfags are braindead beyond comprehension, but holy shit. Now please tell me how that was part of the bait, because I want to laugh at believing you are only pretending to be retarded.

>>88810755
Sure buddy maybe in 2021

>>88826886
>I don't know how twitter works
Yes, we know.
That's how it USED to work, but it hasn't worked like that since they made likes private. Risu is at the rop of the list because the first one or two users in the follow list are recommendations. They're different depending on which account you use. The rest of them should be closer to the correct order.
Gura has been following Risu since before she joined hololive, btw.

>>88821787
>And the idea that saying you're a fan of someone is equivalent to saying you are that person is ridiculous.
Are you seriously so retarded that you think that matters?
>lolololol this is TOTALLY not me guys, but maybe check out this awesome vtuber I just found hehehehehe
Like seriously, are you really that dumb that you think Cover would be okay with that if linking to your hololive account on your roommate account is against the rules?

>>88815665
>>88816385
Pekora's age is 111 years old. This is a reference to her roommate. But that's it. It’s a subtle reference that only her older fans would know. That's not the same as directly linking your accounts. None of them have done that, including EN.

As far as what you were talking about, yes. It's happened in JP as well.
Look who was a guest during Nobuhime's graduation
https://youtu.be/5oNAGnfNac0
Or that time that Marine drew with Nobuhime on her own channel (now privated, of course)
https://holodex.net/watch/IEAKEsQhLkU
Or that time Mito had Subaru, Choco, and Nobuhime on as guests for an ASMR competition
https://youtu.be/tmzQTbjv75g
Snd it's happened with others, too, like the time Noel and Rica(Mel's RM) were on the same NND ASMR stream.

>>88817313
You've mostly always been able to as long as you made a separate thread.

>>88825346
>in advance
NTA, but man, why are there so many stupid people here like you?
I wonder which incorrect assumption it is that's leading you to being this dumb?
Is it that she isn't allowed to change the bio until after the official announcement?
Is it that you think she has to announce it as Gura in a stream first?
Is it you think Covsr can't wait to announce ehen they want to and has to report it right away?
Because all of those ideas are wrong.

>>88832912
It's almost as if assuming that she put a & there in preparation to add her new persona in the future is fucking stupid isn't it
Having a brain that's capable of realizing that the point is connecting the first line to the second, despite it technically not being part of the bio, is too difficult after all

>>88797817
>phasecuck stirring up shit

>>88815011
What if she takes Gura with her? I think that is an option. Whatever the case, it seems like she will be streaming at some point regardless.

>>88828697
>she sends the entire vtuber sphere into chaos without a single word
If by "entire vtuber sphere" you mean brown people then yes, the Japs couldn't care and the only reason actual angloids have to here about this "drama" is because browns use English and not their own "language"

I like to imagine she's /here/ and did this to see how everyone here chimps out.

>>88825455
>"#1 fan of Gura & (some other vtuber not yet mentioned)"
kek, the delusion is insane, you can only blame yourself when you are wrong about this being a link toward some new gura vtubing account
You'd think you animals would've learnt to not speculate anything when it comes to gura after being wrong so many times

>>88797817
It's always about money. Covers is probably being forced by shareholders to lowball the talents and they ain't having it.

At this point I just want to see it happen just for the shit storm it'll create on this board. Losing someone who doesn't stream is a small price to pay for that.

>>88826527
>Waterkuma
she got addicted to ZZZ, didn't she?

Gurageddon is here

>>88803539
it doesn't say following, it says followed by, retard. are you shocked pippa would follow Sen?

>>88836017
Maybe not literally /here/ but yeah, safe assumption is that she just did it to rile people up.

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>>88836027
Catalog/vt schizos have a wired habit of claiming Number One isn't relevant then chopping at the bit when they think Gura's leaving saying Cover and HoloEN will fall without her.

I think it's genuinely over for Gura. Her and Dooby probably saw how well of Mint and Doki are and are copying because why not become your own boss.
But my question is, why is that a bad thing? If Gura graduated tomorrow and next week/month/whatever Senzawa started to stream. Why would it really matter?

>>88833163
That fact she linked directly to her hololive persona from her roommate's bio is telling enough. They've never been allowed to do that in 7 years. You can argue about the meaning of the ampersand, but it doesn't matter.

>>88819846
>She unironically has done nothing wrong though.
She's literally funneling gura subbers into her PL before she dips out. It's incredibly obvious.

>>88836906
Anon. Even if you didn't know how twitter works, why would you assume it would just show that she follows Gura randomly?
That space is to show you which people you follow also follow the user you're looking at.

>>88799263
At this point I'm convinced that the spammer is doing it for free

>>88837083
It wouldn't matter to you because you don't watch Gura or even hololive. Instead you're some ex-niji twitch cuck ligger. Kill yourself.

>>88838017
With all those buzzwords I think you're either a bot or some weirdo false flagger. The Ame general became a mix of Ame/Dooby because they still want to watch her, surely the same would happen for 99.99% of chumbuds

>>88837785
>They've never been allowed to do that in 7 years
Not only is there no proof that there's ever been a rule against saying you're a fan of your Holo persona on your PL, there's even evidence that there isn't in the form of Kson doing exactly that. While she didn't do that until after she was out of Holo, you'd think that if there's one part of the NDA that doesn't change when you leave it's the rules around talking about your Holo persona on your PL accounts.

>>88837854
Why would she do it for that reason when no other graduated member has ever needed to do such a thing to get people to follow them to their post-Holo account? It's already one of the more open secrets in vtubing and if Gura announced she was peacing out word of who she was before Holo and would probably go back to being after Holo would just spread even more no matter what she did.

>>88797817
so uh, what happens when hololive falls? Like after you've danced on the graves, what comes next?

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>>88838267
Then you have my permission to die.

>>88838267
Watch my oshi's indie account. I don't really care about some faceless corporation, I only care about my wife.

>>88837854
>She's literally funneling gura subbers into her PL before she dips out
Everyone knows gura = senzawa, you are retarded if you think this is an attempt to funnel subs from gura to sen
Also, if she wanted to do that she'd post #1 sen fan on gura or follow her, and not the other way around, the only reason you'd care about sen following gura is if you already knew that sen is gura so you have to be specially retarded to think this

>>88797817
> @gawrgura &
Bet you she would add dooby after she "affiliated"

>>88838572
NO YOU FUCKING RETARDED HOLOKEK THAT IS HER NEXT REINCARNATION
I swear to god chumkiddies are unbearable, she's going to get terminated and make a new account and link it there why would she put & there if not the case?

>>88838349
too edgy, honestly kinda cringe
>>88838394
fair i guess

>>88797817
>Your only friend is gone
>Biboo and Kobo jillyjacked your shtick
>Mori mostly either mass collabs or sticks to solo player games
>Kiara fucked off to Holo Europe
>Ina is a colossal bitch
She only really has Kronii and Bae to work with, AKA used whores hours

>>88838654
Why would she follow a bunch of live2D riggers, artists and musicians if she was just gonna terminate?

by the new year, Ame will be just another goon baiting indie

>>88829580
open your eyes asshole. ame is GONE. her one reason to stream is GONE. she streamed only 10 times in the past few months. how the hell can you continue to tell yourself that she isn't demotivated

>>88819233
>A month later Vesper was getting into a huge fight with management over his 2.0 model redesign
Supposedly, that fight was over heavily delayed perms. Or at least that was the narrative that was presented to the public.

>No one is happy for Ame moving on, and is anti'd near daily
Why are Holodrones so irredeemably toxic?

im 5ch holofun
I doubt that the cover company would want her to quit in the first place.
Because if they give her a more favorable contract than JP, the Japanese holomen who are streaming every two days will be unhappy.
If it is not an equal percentage, they will be unhappy on the Japanese side.
I doubt that EN's contract can be signed in secret by JP's old holomen.
Another point is the establishment of the US office.
The cover firms established in the US are largely responsible for connecting product advertisements with various companies.
If an advertiser company says, “We want to use the most registered EN members for our ads,” the cover firm has to negotiate with the inactive gura.
MORI and ADVENT are quick to say yes.
From these situations, I believe that the cover company is behaving in a way to hold back gura. However, I think they are making gura-ame think that if cover company wants to stay, it is definitely to their advantage to leave.
In Japan, there are restrictions on dismissal for regular employees. Therefore, since long ago, Japanese companies have developed a strategy of “voluntary resignation in favor of their own workers.
Since holomen are not regular employees, there are no termination regulations. However, it would not be surprising if there are some materials within their sight that they would decide that voluntary resignation is more advantageous for them.
I believe that they will create an American office and sign more and more advertising contracts with English-speaking companies.
EN-holomen with high NUMBER but infrequent activities “cover company wants them to stay, but the talent will graduate because they think it is more profitable to graduate.”
For EN-holomen with low numbers but high frequency of activities, I think the situation will continue: “Cover Inc. and JP executive holomen seriously want to stay, and the talent is passionate about it, so they will continue their activities.
I think JP side is more serious about Bae and biboo staying than gura staying.

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>>88840330
lmao calm down tojo

>>88838257
>you'd think that if there's one part of the NDA that doesn't change when you leave it's the rules around talking about your Holo persona on your PL accounts.
● Noel's roommate accidentally called herself "danchou", not even "Noel", on accident and almost had a stroke on stream.
● Whenever there's been a mistake and a holo accidentally showed something of their roommate or vice versa, the stream was privated or edited to remove it.
● None of them have ever linked to their roommate or vice versa on purpose. The couple times it happened, like when one of them replied using the wrong account, the tweet was instantly deleted.
● Holos are not allowed to show their pets on stream if they have ever showed them on their roommate account. That is why Mori can only show one of her two cats and has to refer to the other one as "ghostcat".
● Old streams featuring roommates before they joined hololive are all privated, but only if they're on a channel owned by Cover. All of Nobuhime's appearances on hololive channels were removed when she joined, for example.
● Kson, and even Mel and Rushia, to this day have never outright said that they were their hololive personas.
● There are clearly greater restrictions for someone who is still in hololive, as opposed to those that have graduated or have been terminated. But you are correct that the NDA seems to persist indefinitely.

>>88804321
she's too ADHD-brained, autistic and refused her meds?

>>88797817
>lazy whore #2 follows lazy whore #1 in everything they do
>both hate their fans
>both don't stream
>lazy whore #1 leaves Hololive
>lazy whore #2 leaves
Wow what a big loss

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>>88840330
I don't think Gura wants to stay. This is what her schedule looked like for most of 2023 and 2024.

>>88809637
eh but that was just a regular roommate tweet when a lot more holos are active on their roommate channels even hosting events, concerts and shit it was objectively a nothingburger. This time she referenced Gura directly might not break her NDA due to how she did it but certainly breaks the taboo and everyone knows this much.

>>88826002
some people would spin it as corpo bad obviously but it would be worse if she joined vshojo

>>88826002
Leaving to do the exact same thing, while their new characters lore directly hints at hating their job but having to wait out the contract,....might be signs there was shit going on in the background

>>88830250
I wouldn't call her a heart (or brain kek) at any point she just happened to be the most popular one

>>88837785
>>88840405
Sorry but it would only have been an issue if Gura herself linked to someone else on her profile, not the other way. What WOULD be an issue is if she was claiming to be Gura, but... are you telling me that claiming to be a fan of someone is the same as claiming to BE that person?
>but but
That's not information you're meant to know. In the eyes of any normal person that's just a literal who that loves Gura, and that includes Cover's staff because you're supposed to play along regardless of how much "forbidden knowledge" you have.
In fact, vtubers have always been about playing pretend until retards who can't separate reality from fiction like you came along.

>>88840405
Ruze has literally shown his cat on stream several times and even put it in a thumbnail. So disregard everything this retard is saying.

>>88840591
This schedule is so fucking grim…

>>88811524
>she likes the idol stuff

Does she really? I don't remember her ever being all that interested in idols and even music creation last time I've checked she showed more interest in doing low-quality react content more than anything.

>>88840961
Yeah, but did he ever show it on his PL account? That seems to be where the line is drawn- if you've never shown the pet on any non-Holo account, you can show it on your Holo account, but if you have then you can't. Hence Calli doing the trick of getting two cats and only showing one on her Holo account and the other on her RM account.

>>88815749
Senzawa's shit is at least borderline

>>88797817
why cant everyone just see this as her poking fun at herself, everyone is just doomposting. i just see this as her having a little funny.

>>88821787
it does make sense when they want to leave and basically create drama to funnel more casuals rather than hardcore fans that already followed both doompsting is sadly quite justified this time but since Gura doesn't really share anything with her fans we might never know.

>>88797817
I would not be surprised if she goes affilated. She clearly does not give a fuck anymore and management have done their best to rain shit her on projects for years at this point.

>>88797817
based i will follow her always.
Mori ruined EN, with her girl boss bullshit.

>>88839271
I mean it's one thing to say she's demotivated (pretty obvious that's the case) and the other to claim she's outright leaving to be an indie when she never showed much in terms of motivation either and would just lose unique opportunities and prestige as just another indie whore.

It's funny how hard the holodrones post on socmed about them waiting for her to come back, yet will actively ignore and downvote her other account info

>>88811982
>What was the context of the uh oh tweet again?
Every answer is wrong.
She once made a joke about doing a face reveal if dream did. She made the "uh oh" a day or two after Dream did his face reveal

>>88840961
Ame couldn't post pics of her pets until she adopted Henry while she was in holo, the only pet that has a ton of pics that she posted on stream, twitter and membership

>>88804321
>They haven't even attempted to explain why Gura has gone radio silent
She's been doing it every 3 months since 2022 what's to explain? Unless she can overlap new gens and be a cunt she doesn't give a fuck

>>88811001
Uh, what happened with Marine lately? That's pretty low.

Get Maryland and Langley on the phone.

>>88816528
they shouldn't give her anything it's unfair towards members that actually still do shit and communicate with fans

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Impressive how Gura's mindshare is so strong.
These catalog rrats are evidence of so.
Without streaming, she's trending in Sports.
She can return tomorrow and continue as if nothing happened with the same number of viewers. Promote another merch and set records again.
Gura said 2025 will be an interesting year. Looking forward to seeing what is planned.

Nobody saying that this is a nothingburger or just a troll can explain why she followed those artist and modeller accounts beforehand

>>88828371
I mean it would directly contradict almost everything she said as Gura but she didn't say much recently and avoiding confrontations is in her personality I have suspicion she tends to say what she knows fans want her to say we have no idea what she actually thinks.

>>88841995
It's insane just how rabid she made catalogfags/dramaniggers with a single edit to her profile. She can tweet "fart" and I guarantee you we'd get 50 bait threads in the first 10 minutes.

>>88828730
it wasn't for Calli but I see no reason why Gura would care about people "making connection *wink *wink" just to stream with not-Ame what would be the point of that?

>>88837083
So will they try to stage their own version of Selen yab, will Gura claim to survive self-deletion attempt because Cover axed some project of hers or what?

>>88840923
>Sorry but it would only have been an issue if Gura herself linked to someone else on her profile, not the other way
You don't know that. If it were allowed, some other holo would have done it in the last 7 years. But out of the 70 girls, none of them ever have.
>are you telling me that claiming to be a fan of someone is the same as claiming to BE that person?
Are you underage? There's no way you're this naive. You're seriously very stupid if you think there's a restriction on them linking their accounts but Cover allows an exception as long as they go
>tee hee! This isn't me, but check out this totally random vtuber i found lolololol
Don't be a fucking retard.
>That's not information you're meant to know. In the eyes of any normal person that's just a literal who that loves Gura
Doesn't matter. It's not like it's even a secret. Also, Cover knows. You know, her employer that sets these rules?
>In fact, vtubers have always been about playing pretend until retards who can't separate reality from fiction like you came along.
Vtubers are not fiction and they never have been. Their character settings are, but they stream as themselves. They inject their own personality into the "character", which is just themselves, the opposite of a character. It's an elaborate, technically advanced mask, but it's still just a mask, nonetheless.
I have watched vtubers much longer than you have. I watched AI in the beginning. Only a few months after she debuted. She was more performative than most other vtubers and yet everything she talked about was the experience, preferences, and personality of Nozomi Kasuga.
You don't understand vtubers.

>>88840961
Learn to read, you fucking retard.
Holy shit, you're fucking stupid.

>>88797817
Will she suddenly find time to stream like the whore Dooby

>>88841100
It actually wasn't a trick, as far as I understand. IIRC, she got the cats, and then did a roommate stream. She wasn't paying attention and one of the cats walked in front of the camera. At that point, it was identifiable and thus it could no longer be shown on Mori's hololive account. So she named it ghostcat and isn't allowed to show it because of that one, initial fuck up. But she can show the other one because that one never showed up on her roommate stream.

>>88842438
I don't think she's breaking NDA here but it's very on the nose and something I would expect from a niji EN member stuck in graduation queue rather than the biggest holo (by subcount)

>>88818960
>>88821414
Both things are true. There was a boom, which lead to a proliferation of indies and the growth of corpos.
Now we are in a consolidation phase, which will lead to a lot of small corpos closing up and the big corpos/vtubers getting bigger.

>>88840961
>Ruze

we're not talking about your Phase whores or whatever that indie is though?

>>88842629
I don't know what to think. Maybe management just doesn't care anymore and told her she could do it. Or maybe they just don’t care what she does specifically. Or maybe she's graduating or already has and so none of the rules matter.
I just want her to say something. Anything. She never talks to us about anything. I always feel left in the dark by her like her fans don't matter to her. It's frustrating.

>>88797817
>menace
>pippa
Ok that made me laugh here's your (You)

>>88815180
>>88815665
>>88832381
Shiori created quite an evident link between Shiori Novella and the last stream of her PL, does that count?

>>88842739
Dooby isn't even hiding that she's Ame and Cover clearly doesn't give a fuck.

>>88842835
Ame is an affiliate and dooby never really done blatant shit like that afaik

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>>88797817
Senzawa,will you please come back with the same old model

>>88843567
she's coming back as a beautiful sunflower

>>88841682
Sololive prep.