WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN 'but it's not the same...'.
Oh boy, another thread wasted on this bullshit.
>>88843669Taiga, Louise, and Shana are not the same
>another thread
>>88843669people are different with different friend groups
the power of hololive, on top of watching the best vtubers in the world you also get to watch SEAmonkeys dance for you on 4chan
>Niji graduates>doesn't change>Holo graduates>changes everything about herselfWhat is this phenomenon
>>88843745creative freedom, or lack thereof within hololive
Corporate brainrot
>>88843669>a parade of oshi marksMy oshi mutes these whores on sights
>>88843669When Ame's "brother" makes his stream debut it sure as hell won't be the same as it was before. Women need their corporate overlords to keep them from becoming menhera and making stupid decisions, fact.
>>88843786>muh react content
>>88843669>retard with 8 oshi marksroru
>>88843745Niji livers were just themselves. Holo talents were playing a character.
>>88843702>annoying loli main heroines that don't deserve the win voiced by the same personyes, they are the same
>>88843669it's a copout/excuse for corpo worshippers to abandon the vtubers they supposedly liked
>>88843961Yeah, like that koala and the new onahole?
>>88843669the definition of holofag
>>88843669He’s right
Why not watch your other 20 oshis
>>88843745Don't holofans pride themselves off 'tapping the sign' where holos are good because of the rules imposed on them regulating their personality and making sure they never stray from hololive culture? that's basically it. Once they're out they don't have to follow that anymore
>>88843669Mythfag can't moved on LMFAO
>>88844334Genfags like this guy in the OP are the fakest people. Yes, you can "like" everyone in a gen, but don't pretend you oshi all of them.
>>88843961>Vox is just like thatThat's almost too funny to conceptualize.
>>88843669This man is retarded.
>>88843669Yes, it isn’t the same. It’s like thinking singer in a band that go solo get the same reception as they did when they were in the band, just isn’t the same.
>>88843669Imagine not only having 8 oshi marks in your name, but stopping watching when the ones who actually stream are still there. Were they actually your oshi?
>>88843712this entire fucking catalog is blue right nowand she hasn't even announced anything (yet)
once they're out of the game they just become normal women
>>88843841>he actually doesnt know about ames familyholy shit how new
>>88844505The harder you squeeze, the more sand disappears between your fingers
>>88844882>ESL can't even recontextualize a Star Wars quote properlySad.
LITERALLYFUCKINGWHOTHREAD
>>88843669>random tweeter screencap
>>88844882thats not how sand works
Don't forget that bvtm is a tranny from venezuela.
>>88844882I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere like indie scum. Not like hololive. In hololive everything is soft and smooth.
>>88844876>Hides supposed family member while in hololive, now wants them to stream with her.And no Cuckmate, her childhood stories don't fucking matter in this situation.
>>88845225lmao fucking tourist
>>88843669>A million ohsi marks>Can't handle two people who never stream being gone>Can't handle them streaming but with a different nameI think this is the end of an era, but but only for people who are fans of being a fan. You can't just say you like le funy shork from those clips you saw a few years ago.
>>88845341unironically good riddance
>>88844029Why are Ami fags like this?
>>88845341>I think this is the end of an era, but but only for people who are fans of being a fan. You can't just say you like le funy shork from those clips you saw a few years ago.Mythfags are ancient bandwagoners by default, bored losers who actually stayed in isolation during the "miasma" of 2020 and that is where they discovered anime girl who stream in english. They only have their nostalgic memories of those days over actually watching streams.
>>88845225oh my fucking god you really are that new huhwatch streams, i beg you.
>>88843669If I had a doller for every gura will graduate thread made on this board I will be relatively rich.
>>88843669Simple and true..Same=SharkSenzawa isn't a shark.It's not the same.
>>88843669I've seen this posted all over the catalog but have no idea what it's supposed to mean. Yeah that's one of her roommate accounts but so what? She hasn't streamed in forever and hasn't done so regularly for a couple of years. Hell even if she does dust off the old avatar it likely won't be on a regular basis so what exactly is the point of all this?
>>88843669gonna kms if Gura doesn't show up in another taco bell ad or sing at a baseball game that I don't care about
>>88843669Because it isn't. No more holo collabs, no 3D live concert appearances, no holofes, no studio time, none of all the holo environment stuff.Whether you like it or not that all plays a role too. Without it, things aren't the same as before, even if it's still the same girl.And that's without going into potential changes to what they do even. Plus they might end up having groomer discord mods or who knows what.
>>88843669>8 oshi marks>all ENswhat do you call this?
>>88843669This is such a nothingburger
>>88843669He means it's not the shark.
>>88845639A falseflagger
>>88843745niji didn't restrict any of them from being themselves
>>88845639Disgusting.
>>88845639A tourist
>>88843702the kind of newfag zoomers that post on this board won't understand this but this is actually a great comparison
>>88843669>>88843745
>>88843702>LouiseReminder that what the author created with Louise was so utter shit that god smote him in divine retribution.
>>88843827this>>88843669this fag is a clipnig at best, but most likely only follows them on twitter once in a while.
>>88844505Story as old as time, bitches do need an oppressive grip.
>>88843669one is amelia watson who was a member of hololive and the other isn’t
>>88843669hes right.even if its the same person, I just feel a certain attachment to the ame character.. the way she looks, her side characters like armando, her fanbase being alligators, her office she'd sit in, etc.
>>88843669Retards still care about hollow_life when Neuro and Filian exist. Crazy.
>>88847334oh yeah also all this too >>88845635
>>88847357a man with an AI and a react streamer for zoomers? decent bait i guess
I hope you are supporting our gaming Pupper
>>88843669Always support the company, not the girls. This is what it means to be a HoloChad.
>>88847566Who
>>88843669>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN 'but it's not the same...'.Not really a hard concept, the content and who she interacts with will be entirely different, the same thing applies to Kson for example.
This cannot be refuted.
>>88847933This image but unironically, there really aren't any other burger joints that make them quite like McDonalds does, or their fries, at those prices, otherwise McDonald's wouldn't be the biggest and most famous fast food place in history and would have lost to competition decades agoHololive is the same; there aren't any other corpos or indies that are quite like Hololive
>>88848066you'd think they'd at least try the cgdct thing instead of being whore #4269
>>88843669He means>it's not the サメ
>>88847194The flower withering in Louises hands on the ship while he fought against the army was still one of the most hype moments ever in anime.He should have died right there and the show should have ended.Fight me.
>>88843669>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN 'but it's not the same...'.It's literally not, sure she streams now, but her content is total shit. I watched the last 2 streams and they were low 3view tier of "entertainment".
>>88847933>it's the same food!>I mean we don't have the same equipment>or the same suppliers>we also use different techniques due to the above>also because we can do whatever now>plus it's more expensive now>but since I worked at Mcdonalds before it's the same thing!>more expensive thoIt's not the same outside the holobox because you do'nt have the sme interactions + different character + less control over woman moments. Just contrast Rushia/Coco to their new personas.
>>88843669it will not be the same, she will stream rather than not to, big difference
>>88848270if you like RP just watch anime
>>88847933>food analogyit's like this, under corpo you get the burger that strictly follows the recipe that the company has made for years and never changes and it's good. without corpo they're free to fuck around or make their own recipe which sucks compared to being under the corpo's already perfect recipe. in conclusion, being under company's rules made them better and the post-holo careers proves this
>>88848315he doesn't like roleplay, he doesn't like anime, he doesnt like vtubers, he doesn't like hololive, he likes the cover corporation
>>88848341>never changes
>>88843669>'but it's not the same...'I watched her stream twice out of a sense of obligation.However, despite being Hololive talent for 4 years, she could not stream properly and just made excuses on her discord again and again.No time to watch boring Twitch whores.
>holofags justifying their corpo dicksucking tendencies and not giving a flying shit about vtubers in it, as long as they are in the corpo, and any form of leaving is a treasonnever change retards
>food analogy>>88848265what does this even mean, did /#/ really rot your brain that much
da goober
>>88843669She was a constant shitposter and troll. It's possible she's leaving but it's very possible she did this knowing how much speculation/seething it would generate.
>>88848405>what does this even meanThere is a reason most low 3 views are low 3 views anon. And it's not some ethereal conspiracy by people, they just aren't very entertaining. She has exactly that energy right now, she can't focus on doing one thing, she jumps between content to find something that sticks but drops it right after because she loses interest. Just like all these 3 views with 5000 different games and reacts and shit on their channels because nothing seems to work.
>>88848826so you watched her play MH and got the impression that she can't focus on one thing?
>>88848863Did you listen to her during the stream? At all?
>>88849075Yes, but feel free to link timestamps proving your point
>>88845225Nta but I would too hide my family from vtubing fans especially fans of hololive and Nijisanji
>It's LITERALLY the same!! Y-YOU left!!Yaaaaawn, don't you have anything new to say?
>>88849206NTA but she didn't really, she's always talked about her brothers and aunt a ton
>>88849209hi windy the bvtm faggot
>>88849242I'm just speaking on my own behalf not hers
>>88843854>muh strawman retort
>>88843702>Louise
>>88845639/hlgg/redditor
>>88843702They are the fuckin same, all utter garbage. FUCK Rie Kugimiya I hope she shits herself or something.
>being parasocial is le bad>but also not running after them across all their accounts is le bad too
>>88849810>everything is le good as long the blue dorito is next to the name
>>88843669Doesn't this mean she is giving up on senzawa and now has it literally redirect towards gura?
>>88843699>>88843712>>88844498>>88844932If you reply to these sort of threads no matter how many of them are made, you are part of the problem learn to hide them and give them zero engagement
>>888498414 years later and people still don't get it
>>88848131>Women>Sticking outIts literally antithetical to female nature
>>88847933Weirdly, it's not the same when someone i watched as an indie goes corpo, so i guess the feeling goes both ways.
>>88848270McDonald's is literally in crisis right now because they price gouged too hard
>>88849875I'm still of the opinion she did this because she knew the reaction it would case and thought it'd be funny - but what you say makes absolutely no sense. Everyone knows they're the same person.
>>88843669It's because Holodrones only watch for the blue Dorito and not the talents
>>88846021Except for Zaion
>>88850390That was only because she bypassed her manager to talk to her manager's manager. They would have been completely fine about the rape joke and the deez nuts thing if not for that, they were just used as excuses and ways to blacklist her.
>>88849268She's still gonna make more money than with hololive. Also, your mental health isn't worth the money.
>>88850494there it is, classic copium
>>88850494was worth the money just fine for several years thoughbeit
>>88843669Maybe this symbolises that she learned to love herself as she is and she'll start streaming again.
>>88843702Taiga was never the same after she got stood up at the airport by Lanced Jack.
>>88843669>Literal who>55 oshimarksYeah, opinion discarded
>>88850896anon you don't understand, it got 11 likes so we have to make a thread about it
>>88843669missing the blue dorito stamp, duh
>>88844480we already went through this with niji, their actual oshi is the brand, that's it
>>88843669What is going on with Nijisanji today?
>>88843745That's not true though
>>88851404The stock exchange will re-open after the three day weekend in just under ten hours, with Cover and Anycolor being the closest they have been for a long time and Cover is currently skyrocketing.
Its not the same...need to slurp corpo cock to feel good...
>>88843745in which way did she change?
>>88848066The problem is people don't even remember what things were like a year ago, or more. Hololive used to be pretty great, it's a shadow of its former self. McDonalds was the best in the 90s. I tried them again for the first time in years several months ago, it makes no sense how they're still the most popular restaurant despite being a shadow of their former self as well.
>>88852228she became a westoid benchod whore
>>88850155McDonalds is mostly in crisis right now because they have e coli in their onions. Or like, one facility in Colorado did, but people are retarded and think that all the onions come from the same place.
>>88852457I'm not asking you to repeat some words you hear when people talk about your mom, I'm asking for an actual explanation, preferably with examples.
no blue dorito might as well be the same as being a nijiniggernot watching
>>88845635>Plus they might end up having groomer discord mods or who knows what.Pretty sure Dooby already has them.No idea why zoomers love Discord so much.
>>88848826>indie 3view play X game>IT'S SHIIIIIITTTTTTTTTT>Holo play X game (same girl even)>KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOO How do you call this behaviour?
Restrictions breed creativity. If they don't have to pussyfoot around some arbitrary japanese business autism, then why even watch them? When they're now going to be less creative than they were when they were in, there's no reason to even pop into stream.
>>88853171>Streamer doesn't suck anymore and therefore is betterIt really is a mystery, AnonCaptcha: M0RYR0
>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN 'but it's not the same...'.Holobabies care more about the "Hololive" label/brand than the actual talents and it's not a joke.
>>88850390They fired Zaion for being herself. Shes just like that
>>88843745Its already been said but>Niji (or any Indie/95% of small corpos) just act like their natural selves>Holos have to change 50% of their actual personality to "fit in".Hell you can use "males" as perfect evidence for this.There's Holos who did tons of male collabs/interactions but have completely stopped as soon as they got into Holo and they will start again once they leave Holo.The most "real" (meaning true to themselves/fans/don't change their personality much since before Holo) Holos are Kiara, Kronii, Mori, Elizabeth, Ina
>>88854626>Kiara, Kronii, Mori, Elizabeth, InaA list of the worst Holos.
>>88854660You'd say the same about everyone else if they didn't act so fake 3rd worlder so your opinion is worth less than the mud that makes your house
>>88854709>anonchama bringing the seething
>>88854660>The worstActually it's all the Holos with the lowest chance of leaving Hololive from being "burnt out" from playing a character.Gura is sick of it and look how much she streams lmao
>>88854626This.Dooby graduated and immediately revealed she was hispanic lmao. Holos just play pretend to appeal
>>88845635a /vt/sister>>88843669i remember having this problem with kaguya luna but that one actually was a problem of creative freedom (and sony being sony)
>>88843741kek
>>88845181Yeah just like your fucking brain
>>88843669Hololive is best because it forces the girls to watch themselves.>>>>>>>oh but that stifles creativityMost of these girls are genuinely retarded and can barely survive in the first place. If your oshi graduates from Hololive and begins acting like a whore then, ironically, they have no creativity too and Hololive was keeping them safe from themselves.If these girls want to leave such a cushy position just so they can curse and talk about their fat cocks, then they can do whatever they want and I'll continue only watching the ones who actually love their fans.
hey guys lets see what a twitter random thinks
Hey guys lets see what a random 4channer thinks >>88855248
>>88855183>If your oshi graduates from Hololive and begins acting like a whore then, ironically, they have no creativityThis is 100% of EN though. They will all do this.
>>88855297So far it's been a 50% hit rate. Sana's identical but Ame changed.
>>88855297Kson was JPMike was JP
>>88855372Yea and they did it too? They did it while in Holo. I'm talking about EN though>>88855358>Sana's identicalYou can't say this because she's only streamed like 1 time since leaving after 2 years? That's not enough to tell anything
>>88855265I think you should go to twitter and chit chat about gura graduating there. You might even get some likes!
>>88855358citation needed on Ame changing.
>>88843669Now this here is a real honest-to-god Holofag.I wouldn't suck a companies cock even if they were the best company in the world, if someone I watched left, I'd still happily watch them like I did before.The indie life isn't for a lot of people, especially if you want to make money and work on large projects. It takes hard fucking work and drives some of them insane if they try to do it alone.Realistically you need to hire people or rely on friends / family for some stuff at a minimum. Your average retard-child here thinks "duuuurrr but it's just streaming" need not apply - it is not "just streaming", they do a fuckload of things off-stream and they cannot realistically do that at the same level without management to help.I'm a workaholic and even I know my limits - they landed me in a hospital bed when I went ham on a project. Shit ain't easy and it is very easy to hit burnout.I wouldn't recommend them to leave unless they DO intend on changing what they do. It's a requirement. They simply can't do the same level of activity. Of course, that might even be their intention.They might just literally want to stream and nothing else. Maybe make some merch here and there, do cosplaying, singing, crafting or whatever else.But some things simply have to give way for the rest of your life to be able to function. Humanity got to where it is now because of cooperation. It took us from a bunch of tribalshitter retards to the moon.A single person can't do it all, you NEED to delegate to others or nothing gets done in any reasonable time period.
>>88843745The only ones that have changed themselves significantly are Coco (same sense of humor and personality, just different content), Sana, Aloe (1 you didn't watch her, 2 she just grew up a bit) and some of HoloCN. The rest are the same.
>>88854814She alluded to being Hispanic while in holo she just didn’t outright state she was of Cuban descent Of all the ens she barely played a character at all aside from the detective time traveler kayfabe
>>88845639a woman
>>88856951kson's vtubing content is basically identical to coco's except that there's no meme reviewshe always did the flesh stuff too, now it's just all on the same channel
>>88845635you cant groom a 4/5view
>>88857010Shit you even had Kiara alluding to Ame being Hispanic by constantly tying Mexico and Mexican related foods to Ame.
>>88849841Yes.
>>88845225>Hides supposed family member while in hololive, now wants them to stream with her.Neither of these things are true , retard tourist
>>88843745>All these replies>none listing the obvious oneHolos care about the brand. Nijis care about the talents.
>>88843702I love those characters.
>>88855358>Sana's identicalvery easy to say when the bitch barely streams
>>88849981Hell, just switching corpos can change things. Environment matters.Uni, one of Mito-sensei's daughters, used to be in a small corpo. She moved to NijiEN and was very different from how she was as Uni. Part of this was the change in who she was around. I decided to just stop bothering after about a week, and from what I understand, it got much worse.That said, I've seen her around in more JP collabs this past year so maybe things got better again. I have my doubts though cause I vaguely recall one she had relatively early on where she tried to teach the Twitch/zoomer culture garbage she learned from one of the homos to her collab partner.
>>88845225>hides family memberWatch streams fagboy
>>88860514Just accept it - Meloco rode the Lucock and Lucucked you.
>>88858179>Nijis care about the talentsAbout breaking their spirits, FTFY. I'm an ex-nijinigger, I would know.
>>88854626And that's why Hololive is the best. Imagine if you made a movie where all the actors just "act like themselves" instead of playing roles. It's called professionalism.
This is why you avoid corpos and only pay attention to good indies
>>88861443Who are some of these good indies?
>>88861795the ones I found out about thanks to a corpo of course
>>88843669She needs to wear the cheeto on her head or its not the same, anon
>>88845639Someone who doesn't speak Japanese
>>88846021They were free to do anything except value themselves as individuals.The opposite situation from hololive. They aren't free but are allowed to value themselves as individuals.
>>88843669I hate these assholes most of all. They hand out the most overwrought hyperbolic support in chat and tweets and how much they love the streamer's content and they're here for life. Then the model changes, and suddenly oh boo hoo it's "just not the same". And they quietly skulk into the night. Even though it's the same person, same voice, same talents, same content. It shows they were only ever really there for the fucking model. It's infuriating.
>>88843745But Nina changed a lot after becoming Matara and she keeps saying it? The whole point of Mysta graduating and becoming kuro was to change and alienate his schizo niji fanbase? Michi is way happier?You're such a fucking retarded tourist. You not only don't watch streams, you didn't even bother to read threads. Kys phasecuck.
>>88856645>they do a fuckload of things off-stream and they cannot realistically do that at the same level without management to help.your job is to play videogames but you also have to make thumbnails?AIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE
>>88862584Well you see, vtubers aren't your friend, just like Fauna says. You're not there for the person. You will never know the person, they are all selectively showing you only a part of themselves. If they trauma dumped on you for 4 hours straight like a significant other about their shitty workplace or something you wouldn't like them as much. You're there for the air, the appearance, the surface level. When the surface changes, for some, that leads to them to fall away.
>>88843702>different characters authored by different people for different roles are written differently but are voiced by one actress is the same as one person who does one thing and continues to do that same thing under a different label.
>>88850494LMAO
>>88844505>restricts women>They just leave
>>88862715Kuro is just as much of a fucking diva menhera as he was as Mysta. And if the only thing you can verify as a change in Michi's content is "she seems happier" - newsflash, retard, they ALL seem happier. Mint and Doki didn't change one fucking bit. The only very minor change you could see in Mint is that she swears far less often.
>>88862584>same contentNo.>same personPerson is defined by their interactions with others.>same voiceNot always.>same talentsIrrelevant when they no longer have same platform to show off those talents. Being in corpo gives you a lot more opportunities.
>>88862936>they didn't change one fucking bit, they just changed in this aspect, that one and also this oneWhy did you even bother responding?
>>88862996Because you're fucking wrong. None of them changed at all.
>>88863022Living in denial isn't healthy.
>>88862996There's a difference between changing for the better, and changing for the worse.
>>88863166I agree. All Nijis change for the better after leaving their shitty corpo. Holos tend to change for the worse after leaving but we don't have enough of a sample size to claim it as a rule yet. Both kson and mike were unique cases. Rica isn't even vtubing most of the time, apples to oranges. Triangle was in the company too shortly to judge properly. Maid hasn't streamed enough yet to decide.
>>88863054Nta but please elaborate how Mint and Doki have changed in your view since leaving Niji (apart from being happier in general).
>>88843745In this case "everything about herself" just means whether or not she collabs with males
>>88843669No blue Dorito = no watch. Simple as.
>>88843669Nothing will change she didnt stream then doesnt stream now and wont stream after, literally nothing changes
>>88844876>he actually believes the brother copeholy shit how gullible?
>>88863667What benefit does the blue dorito bring to the streaming experience anyway? I don't really notice any difference between the quality of a, say, Maid Mint stream vs a blue dorito one
>>88863747Even if he is her brother theyre two adults living together, what kind of fag wouldnt use freely available local pussy custom molded for his cock by genetics three maybe 4 times a day
>>88848066>there aren't any other corpos or indies that are quite like HololiveYou say this but I'd bet my bottom dollar the amount of time you've spent watching non-Holo vtubers comes up to less than an hour total.
>>88863370Being happier in general is already a big change. Whole vibe of streams is different now that she's no longer at risk of being jumped by zoomer Nijis wanting to collab. Slightly less crude, slightly more cute. She can be more open thanks to not caring about various limitations and in Mint's case it's a good thing. It's a lot of small things which add up. That said, I loved her both as Pomu and now as Mint. Speaking about current Mint here for the record. Fresh Mint was very different because insecurity was in full force, glad she regained her confidence.
>>88845639based? who the fuck watches JPs if you dont speak nip? retards, thats who
Can someone explain why people as rich as hololivers or successful vtubers from other corps continue to live with their family or live in squalid apartments with test alarms going off every few minutes? I thought these were all millionaires. Is the economy this bad that even streamers can't afford to buy a house?
>>88863815You're asking a wrong question. Maid Mint is (the only?) blue-dorito-tier non-holo. However there is a big difference in quality of streams between Coco and kson or Rushia and miguel.
>>88863922It took Kiara 5 years to buy a house.
>>88863922Wasn't Ame (When she was Ame) moving or something? I might be misremember though
>>88863973So are they really only making like 100k a year or something? I thought top tier holos were making like high 6 digits a year. That's enough to buy a house in a year in some areas.
>>88863922Leaving your home is a meme only americans believe.Unless youre on a serious relationship, leaving home is retarded.
>>88863922Just because you can afford to buy a house doesn't mean you immediately should. It's a HUGE investment. Streaming career is volatile. It can collapse suddenly and suddenly you're without a source of income. Anyone with a working brain (not you) would save up their money in their position.
>>88863922because they are sheltered, stupid woman-lets who have usually never had any responsibility in their lives and dont know what to do on their own. Mostly a bunch of NEET, fatass losers who've never had real jobs. The ones that actually have had success in real life like Kiara dont do that.
>>88863922Why would you willingly give yourself a huge hole in your paycheck when you get to stay with your parents for free?
>>88863922They're not rich
Most of vtubers actually like their families and don't want to move out.
>>88843669OP is correct. Its like you can like this particular actor in one show. But theres no way you can like every show he/she is in just because they're the same person.Hololive are entertainers first and foremost, they're not there to be themselves.You go for vshojo/niji or indie for those.
Every Gura fan saw a graduation coming since May of 2022. That's when she dropped schedules and her streaming really dropped off. I'm surprised if hasn't happened already. I just hope when she goes back to Senzawa, she keeps the Gura voice. The Senzawa voice was so fucking cringe. Oh, and that she won't collab with males. But I think she will as Senzawa. Dumb whore
>>88864047Here's a problem, anon, you can't get into a serious relationship if you're living with your parents unless you're in high school or college (maybe) -- and some would dispute whether high school relationships can really be serious at that time. Probably a rarity. After that the woman expects you're sustaining yourself and on your own or you are persona non grata. Unless she's fat/ugly/menhara/desperate.>>88864098Because to seek a desirable mate in America you have to be living on your own, period.
>>88864206I hate women so much. Imagine getting paid literally millions of dollars to stream 2 or 3 days a week, you're working 15 hours max. Get free trips to Japan. Adored by countless people just for existing. With even the slightest effort you could be a household name like fucking Mickey Mouse or Spiderman, you're *this* close. But thats just too much effort, 15 hours a week? No thanks, I'll pass, I'd rather do fucking NOTHING. It's infuriating.
>>88848066>Actually liking how Maccas tastesAnon are you okay? Because McDonalds is overpriced trash.At least back in the day it used to be cheap trash but nowadays it costs way too much for what you're getting.May as well walk 5 minutes over and buy a sausage roll from another store for $3. Or go buy a burger elsewhere for maybe $2 more that's bigger and tastes way better.
If they could be oh so successful and amazing by being themselves, they wouldn't have needed Hololive's help in the first place. Truth is, Hololive made them better.
>>88864193When it comes to actors and seiyuus, they're not coming up with the content themselves, they're reading off a script provided by someone else. A vast majority of the time, vtubers are the ones coming up with the content themselves.
>>88864098because your parents despise you for being a leech and a failure if you stay with them over the age of, say, 21? You're a fucking loser if you aren't in college or gainfully employed and independent by then.
>>88864278Stupid retard a relationship takes time to get serious, once it gets to that stage you start to consider moving somewhere alongside your lover, otherwise its retarded to move.
>>88864312I'm sorry to say this but you're too stupid to comprehend a hypothetical.
>>88864278Live on your own and own nothing
>>88864348This. Your parents want to live their life too, not babysit a 40 year old jobless manchild in their basement forever
>>88864301She gets paid millions anyway. She has no incentive to do anything because she probably is low maintenance. She doesn't want a giant mansion. So to her the extra 15 hours would be 15 hours of trouble for nothing extra as far as she perceives.
>>88864348Not everyone is american.
>>88864360Once you're out of college, if you didn't find someone there, no relationship will be able to start until you get out of the parents' house. Once they find out you're living with your parents, its over.
holoseethe
Its so fucking funny how americans think because of their culture that revolves around kicking your kids out of the house kek.They cannot fathom not being in debt or living paycheck to paycheck because of the "independent" meme having to pay rent, bills and the basics
>>88864504>>>>>>>Lmao
>>88863922if you are a small corpo you aren't actually making that much. the phase girls for instance for the most part are making like $40k-$60k like a normalish salarymost holo girls did move out. Ame, Kiara and Ina all bought homes. Gura tried to buy a house a few years ago but did it right when the market went to shit for some reason so she didn't end up buying
>>88864504Holy retard.
>>88864504This is your brains on burger king and mcdonalds.
>>88864570That's just the facts here in Murika. It is the societal expectation. Maybe you Europeans or Mexicans or Canadians or whatever are lucky and can land a hot chick who will fuck you in your parents house but in America that shit is unheard of, just like not paying thousands in healthcare costs.
I mostly follow holo for the music, but the talents, at least from JP, really feel different from indies. NotAqua still feels the same but someone like Kson is way worse now than before, not that I liked her before, though. So I guess there's that, depends on the girl. Don't care for Doob nor I will for Gura when her time comes.
>>88864792You mean the rest of the world, you might just be the only retards in the entire world that think going into debt is a great idea instead of growing wealth from within the family.
>>88864843Doob is like literally almost the same look as Ame just with different clothes. Same scuff even.
My family alone has two examples of person living with their parents despite being married AND having children. One of them has IT job too so it's not like money is the issue.It's simply more convenient to live together and they invest into place they're in. Parents at ground floor, "kids" upstairs.
>>88864870What do you want me to do, magically be born somewhere else, you fortunate fuck? Sure I'd love not to be a slave. You want to give me your place in Europe? No, so stop shitting on people for being born on the wrong continent.
>>88864843you don't know anything about coco or kson
>>88854626Elizabeth is always in character though?
>>88862584There's a portion of corpofans who lack the emotional capacity to actually care about vtubers as people. To them vtubers are products that belong to their tribe. They spend money on vtubers to signal that they're a high value member of the tribe to gain the approval of other tribe members. Following a vtuber to their next life means leaving the tribe. A fate worse than death for those who have no self worth. It's this aspect of corpofans that creeps me out the most and causes me to avoid watching corpos.
>>88864875I'll take your word for it. Last time I watched one of her streams she was playing Sam & Max, it was a nice stream. I'm more of a Suisei/Nene type of person.>>88864945I don't want to
>>88864945Coco was a lot cuter in her profanity and vulgarity. Probably due to the dragongirl persona or because she had to moderate it somewhat for hololive.
>>88864937Anon, you seem to be confused. The conversation started with a burger anon who was projecting his own issues on entire world, not the other way around.
>>88864990so why do you type a bunch of bullshit about her?
>>88864937>ContinentlolRegardless its your own god damn fault, maybe if your parents didnt fucking hate you or werent retards they wouldve known that having 1 more person with a paycheck in the house is better for investing into the house.
>>88865005Most of the EN vtubers being discussed here are US or Canadian besides Kiara.
>>88865037Because that's the talking point, idiot. We are talking about talents in and out of holo.
>>88865001she was more crude as coco than she is nowyou would know this if you weren't a threadreader
>>88865059It has nothing to do with the parents and everything to do with the US dating scene, anon.
>>88865114so how do you know she's "way worse" now if you admit you don't know anything about her, don't want to know anything about her and never liked her in the first place?
>>88865118I only watch clips, anon, because I don't speak Japanese.
>>88865175Everybody knows she's way worse than before. That's where the whole "creative freedom" meme/criticism comes from. She is fundamentally different from when she was in hololive.
>>88865069Most of EN vtubers don't have getting hooked up and as their #1 goal unlike that guy. Seeking romance while being busy in Hololive is tough.
>>88865248she's not and some meme you bvtm niggers use is not proof of anythingwatch streams
>>88865191we can tell
>>88865286What is this idiot talking about? You should stop being a fucking catalogfag
Which holo haven't given up on Gura yet?
>>88865362>You should stop being a fucking catalogfag>bases his entire argument on some retarded meme bvtmturdies made up about herlol
>>88865248kson was the reason >>88844505 was made
>>88865513I can see it >>88865488
>>88864843I think the reason why Kson feels so different is because she was genuinely at her best when she had great talent to bounce off of. I was gonna make a sportsball analogy but she reminds me of a player over here that plays great in a system but when they're out of that system and play for their national team, they're fucking rubbish.
>>88843712>>88843699>>88849929>nooo you're not supposed to talk about... things!
>>88865683or you're just a brandfag who doesn't speak japanse
>>88865683I still miss Coco meme reviews with holo en members.This is what vshoujo took from us.
>>88865683Sounds about right. Haven't seen anything like she was outputting when she was in holo. Shame really, but that's what she wants to do now, I guess. Ignore the schizo
>>88864792Not all Americans do that you fucking idiot.
>>88865842Tell us about your experience sexooing a hot 9/10 in your parents basement, anon. We'll all believe you.
>>88862584>>88864969Don't know why you guys think this only applies to corpofans. I've seen people complaining in /lig/ or /nina/ about how they can't watch a certain vtuber because they're not the same after they got in Hololive.
every anti kson "argument" eventually is unmasked as a bunch of reddit fags being mad she doesn't do meme review anymore"creativity" is nothing but a code word for reddit
>>88843669It's because it's not the same. Whether you like the change or not is up to (You) and either way is fine.
>>88866079Memes began here, not leddit.
>>88866133I mean, him being a fervent Kson proponent makes sense. He only focuses on out of /vt/ circles.
>>88866079How about I'm just not interested anymore? It's not an argument, it's a statement.
>>88866535a statement that you're a reddit fag?
>>88866079What does kson do thats interesting anymore?
>>88866613I don't post on or read reddit. I am not interested in watching Kson whereas I was interested in watching Coco. Simple as.
>>88866693gaming and chatting and karaoke streams just like when she was in hololivei know you're not interested in those because they're not meme review
>>88866778Gaming could be ok but meme review was definitely the best. Did she ever say why she stopped doing them? She did them for awhile as kson
kson, at last at the end of her campaign, her crew unvanquished and unbowed. But yet then, there came a moment. When her last worthy enemy fell. And it was then, as the story is told, that the meme reviews stopped.
You left.
>>88863922A S I A N S
>>88863922They're usually barely functioning people (like Asmondmold who is a millionaire but lives like he's one benefit payment away from starving to death). There's also the fact that some of them choose to support family members.>>88864110Doki (who famously spends insane amounts of money on projects and even shitposts) said that the cost of Dooby's home 3D studio was mental - Holo girls clearly earn a huge amount of money.
>>88867905Sexy Rich Asians
>>88865683Yup. It really is a huge difference. Coco was great because she had amazing interactions with others and elevated them. Now she no longer interacts with anyone worth caring about.
>>88868508She interacts with Henya. Henya is worth caring about. She is the Cute.
>>88868589Last time I checked Henya was dead.
>>88867927exactly, she spent like 300k on cameras and is now poor
>>88868624She just debuted a twitch ToS violating model on twitch
>>88843669>WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN 'but it's not the same...'.Holofags are branded cancer who have no actual enjoyment of vtubing or hobbies, they just want to be in the group.It's like the meme>hobby isn't gatekept>normalfags and parasites come and use it as an excuse to drink and flirt>hobby ruined
>>88868889OK so she revived only to be potentially killed soon. The Genius!She is very cute, I agree.
>>88843702Louise>Taiga>Shana also you forgot the Hidan no Aria girl.>>88850675I for one am thankful taiga never became a vtuber, unlike ny*nners and l*lypichu.
>>88868889Henya ain't afraid'a no rules.
>>88848224>He should have died right there and the show should have ended.Only if she was pregnant (TEEN PREGNANT) with his baby.
>>88868889>twitch ToS violatingVshojo is exempt from that shit.
>>88865175You ksonfags tell me.The most creative shit she's done in her entire career is Asacoco. Tell me in the last 3 years has she done anything more creative than that? She has all the talent freedom now. Where is it?
>>88844400Autistic people are usually real life cartoon characters
>>88868838If Doki said it was mental and beyond what she could afford it was clearly much more than $300k. Bear in mind Dooby also had to deal with the mortgage on the house she bought - unless she bought it outright - so either way she makes a lot. If you can afford to buy a large house and pay for a 3D home studio then you're rolling in money; this isn't me necessarily defending Holo - it's just obvious.
>>88869666She's molesting ex JAV
>>88843669>Its a lets bait, bicker and get mad at a rando twitter post Episode>301 postWew LAD
song for holobro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpADSdd68UI
At what point did this board become a holoanti infested shithole?
>>88872866Holoboard faggot.
>>88872866twitter dramafags migrated here thanks to the usual suspects
>>88872866Karma's a bitch, isn't it?
>>88872866deserved
'member when twitter screenshot threads got deleted on sight?
>>88843669
>>88872866when meidos abandoned us
>>88872866Stop saying it's a holoboard when it's not, otherwise we WILL push back
>>88848066So you're saying Holo is trash and the only reason why it's still popular is because of nostalgia/brand loyalty and their customers don't know that there are way better options in the market? Seems right.
