da wose

ENNA KYS NOW BEFORE THEY FIRE YOU FOR FALSE SUICIDE REPORTS

>Finana
clique shitlicker, there to stay
>Whoresemi
clique shitlicker, there to stay
>Petra
Riku shitlicker, would rather pull a Gura and not stream than quit
>Reimu
Clique
>Alban
Possible but he's not unsucessful so likely stays for the money
>Fulgur
clique shitlicker, there to stay
>Vanta
sounds like he's there to stay based on what I've seen
>Maria
too successful + irrelevant to have any reasons to quit
>Scarle
LOLNO she makes bank
>Aia
clique shitlicker, there to stay
>Twisty
clearly still trying to make her "thing" work despite continually dropping viewers

>>88843893
>still liked
Take out entire middle row, Finana and Reimu.

>>88844148
What has Reimu done?

Twisty should leave and join VAllure.

probably the one streaming on her pl right now

>>88843893
>ike still liked
>faggot was part of the black screen

>>88844555
gura?

>>88844619
he almost didn't talk; hehe was clearly nervous and being forced to do it

>>88843893
>still liked
>Finana
>Ike
?????

>>88843893
Rosemi for Phase

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>>88843893
Nijisanji EN only grows stronger <3

>>88844619
What did he even contribute to that video?

>Reimu
>liked

>Reimu
Did you forget her attempt tweet?
>Finana
Did you forget her gaslighted clip?
>Ike
Did you forget the black screen video?

>>88843893
da wose

>>88844109
>fulgur
>clique shitlicker
>openly communicates with fans on his PL twitter account to reassure Scarle's fans
>positively mentions Selen and how he misses her and then takes a "hiatus for medical reasons" shortly after
lmao

>>88844964
>>88846182
Nta but as a dragoon I hate him the most of the three - because he was the closest to Selen of those three. His inclusion by itself is damning enough, it doesn't matter if he contributed to it.

>>88845082
There's still like 10 Ryuguards inhaling cope

>>88843893
I really want it to be Finana, so I can see /lazu/ turn into /lira/

>>88847124
imagine if she'd collab with doki after that

>>88846731
what/why does he know about scarle though, irl relationship?

>>88848024
because they're colleagues and have each other's contacts and probably communicate privately?

>>88848054
weird but ok

>>88846731
>openly communicates with fans on his PL twitter account to reassure Scarle's fans
He's the one who re-indoctrinated her back into the cult, you fucking idiot. She would have been gone from the company back in April if it wasn't for him.

>>88848074
Not really if you know her PL voiced in his debut video. They were probably tight since before niji

>>88847124
They'll continue yo include her, just as they have with Mint.
>>88847974
For what it's worth I've occasionally checked in to lurk /lazu+/ when Mint has been collabing with Doki and they seem to be fairly civil. Actual famelira were never the worst of the sisters who kept raiding and attacking Doki back I February/March - the few who appeared (and there really are only are a few of them now) just kept protesting her innocence and claiming she was forced by Niji to do the blackstream, they never attacked Doki. The worst of them come from the fanbases of Vox and Luca (and to a certain extent Hex).

>>88848024
>>88848074
They were friends before Niji. If you're wondering whether they're fucking then I think it's very unlikely because he's so large (and has a destroyed spine, which is supposedly why he's so large) that I'm not sure he can wipe his own arse.

>>88845695
Look at all those video views that could belong to Nijisanji if they didn't shit the bed

>>88845695
>short video
kys

>>88843893
i wish niji would leave. not the livers leaving nijifamily, but the company itself dissolving. sadly, despite all the catalogshitting on niji with fake & gay virtual stock numbers and shit, i doubt it would happen any time soon

>>88843893
>Still liked
>Finana
Bro her fanbase left her before the whole black stream shit show. Out of everyone in this company, she became disliked by her own fans before the Sayu drama

>>88843893
Idk who these are but the top right one looks so evil

>>88843893
Snoresemi Floplock

>>88843893
iirc one of jp news said en branch will start lossing profit on november. getting merge is nearer than you think

>>88843893
I'm assuming it's Fulgur next, since grey hair seems to make you 50% more likely to graduate from NijiEN.

>>88848181
Vox, luca and hex lost a fair number of girls post the black stream. Naturally, those left are going to be a lot more rabid. Hex did regain some of the old fanbase back after his redebut but they left again after realising he's still the same guy.
Lazy has always been full of copers who believed that elira will address the black stream. Then they believed that elira and doki resolved everything on black stream. Now they believe that mint and Elira are still friends behind the scenes.

>>88843893
Probably Aia considering how Sunny and Kyrio were reminiscing about her in their collab.

>>88849514
>Then they believed that elira and doki resolved everything on black stream. Now they believe that mint and Elira are still friends behind the scenes.
bro that's sad

>>88848767
Yeah I had memberships for all of Lazulight and Finana was my favourite in the beginning, but she was also by far the first one I un-membered and stopped watching

>>88849566
There was a famelira who kept appearing in catalog threads slightly after the blackstream to defend her and talk about how everything was a misunderstanding. At one point he talked about how he hadn't slept for multiple days because he wanted to defend her in threads. The anon who summarised and posted the GUrrat in a rentry was famelira - which is why he deleted it when some faggot containment breaker posted it on Twitter - because (as he said multiple times when it was all being discussed in the threads that became the GUrrat) he didn't want to believe it was true and wanted to discuss things because he wanted a way to explain why Elira would take part in the blackstream. Famelira are by far the least unpleasant remaining Niji fanbase - they're just doing their own thing in complete delusional denial.

>>88850070
They need a fucking reality check. Mint chose Doki, simple as. And yes, it IS a choice. Always was, since the black stream came into existence.

>>88850070
Elira fans were of 3 types - those who immediately left, category A and never came back, those who left after her return, category B and those who stayed, category s fans.
She had a small numbers of fans who returned briefly during her absence because people thought she offed herself and were expecting some kind of answer on her return. But they left after she continued on as usual along with category B fans. /lazu/ consists of category s fans, as well as wisps who don't hate elira and want to share in the delusion of the fameliras.

>>88843893
Where's my niggas Sunny and Ren

>>88848181
desu i think if they would've collabed, then it's for the better, meaning some damage was repaired and some relations were restored. i know it's common for /vt/ to shit on finana, but i doubt she's malicious and i can't wish suffering for her

>>88850298
Like I say, in their mind there is no side. They still cling to the idea that it was Niji who forced her to do the blackstream, and that there's no bad blood between her and Doki. Delusional, but harmless because they don't attack Doki unlike other remaining Niji fans.

>>88850070
Fameliras always had a pretty chill Oshi, so of course when the black stream happened it must have hitted them like a truck. Not to mention how she was the fan favorite of the remaining Lazulights. Pomu had graduated and Finana’s fanbase was already broken at the time.

someone need to do another poll

>>88850760
i think half of those attacks come from catalogshitting dramafags who don't even watch niji

>>88850729
>Not malicious
I used to believe the same, but looking how she treated Sayu, her way of ignoring her fans over the Valoguards and her “view post engagement” shitshow. It has become clear what kind of person she is. Sure mint will probably accept a collab with her, but lets not forget Finana used her during the mihoyo event, and refused to collab with her again afterwards despite Pomu asking her

>>88850835
In the present time absolutely; I think it's rare to find an actual sister attacking Doki in a catalog thread - it's pretty much always just a dramafag. But back in February/March it was very clear that the board was being raided by sisters from Nyfco because they would bring up things that only someone who actually watched Niji would know.

>>88850871
If you're talking about the sayu thing, she did get gaslit, just by the management. I can't disagree with you on the other stuff.

>>88850963
Also because most of the bait threads regarding doki are very low effort and are almost satirical in nature. They result in the same shit flinging after which everybody gets bored and the thread archives under 100 replies.

>>88843893
None of them are really "liked" but more like "tolerated".
I think it's important to account for all their misdeeds so I'll list them. Some are worse than others

Their sins
Finana
>"PARASOCIAL FUCKS"
>discord groomers run her channel
>spamming shitty gacha game content and generally unwatchable
Rosemi
>got sexpested badly by Luca and seemed to welcome it
>she's called midsemi for a reason
Petra
>abandoned her gen so it was a broken mess
>cozied up to the nasty Ethyria clique and displaced Nina from her own gen
Reimu
>long political rants Uki would love
>threw herself at Vox, then switched to Vanta for the new hotness
>part of the nasty ethyria clique and has her hands in many dramas as a result
Ike
>part of the blackstream crew and really friendly with Elira in general
>nasty and prickly and not who he pretends to be
Alban
>he exists
Fungus
>shittalked hololive
>barely disguised arrogance and can't stand to lose games
Vanta
>got way too eager to throw himself at Enna
>lectures his fans really hates his fans
>panders endlessly to nijisisters and reinforces their opinions at every turn
Maria
>got Luca'd extremely badly
>didn't even attempt to make friends with other girls
>just spams streams in the wrong timezone with a boring and empty personality
>complains about money while pouring money into shitty covers
Scarle
>basically a normie and a complete idiot
>uses sexualized thumbnails and bait-and-switches to other content instead
>dotes extra attention on big spenders like a starving indietuber
Aia
>lashes out at her detractors who bring up her rice purity score
>extremely annoying voice ruins all collabs, and her personality is no better
>only ever talks about sex and is really disgusting in general
>basically only joined to throw herself at Ike in a pathetic display
Twisty
>does pedo GFE but also tries to get in Vanta's pants hence why nobody watches her

The moral of the story is that some Nijis are worse than others, but none of them have a clean nose. Don't even pretend any of these are worth saving, the good ones already got out

>>88851209
By that logic, pomu was tainted too. But we all know how that worked out. In real world, scarle, aia, Petra, Maria and rosemi will be welcomed.
Of the boys, doppio will be most welcomed. He maintains connections with all the right people and cuts off the bad ones.

>>88851209
>"PARASOCIAL FUCKS"
A reminder again that this was tweeted as a result of kindred harassing Reimu for daring to speak to Vox - it wasn't directed at her own fans (although I suppose it could be considered to be indirectly).

>>88851209
>The good one already got out
Don’t pretend you can point out some flaws on everyone who left as well
Pomu was a Luca cocksleeve for the longest time
Selen was a menhera whenever she lost in any multiplayer
Zaion had some minor jabs
Your only definition if they are good is whether they are still in the company, while ignoring that some may have already signed their graduation paperw and are just waiting

>>88851395
Pomu always had a very loyal audience, but yeah she fucked up badly with the Luca stuff.
Her biggest sin perhaps is being a huge numberfag, especially back then.

>>88851395
>boys
>welcomed
Lmao fuck off redditor

>>88851520
You're a retarded newfag who's trying too hard to fit.

>>88851520
He will get shilled by sayu and her adjacent dramafags plus rainbow retirees. That is as welcomed as you can get here.

>>88851468
>Zaion had some minor jabs
Well yeah, they were minor so not even worth mentioning. She's since proved herself to be rather shitty towards her fans with the twitter hack thing but as Zaion she was arguably more yab-free than some Holos.

>>88851496
My point was these things won't matter to audience outside /here/. Hell, they don't matter to most people here and are only fit for low quality bait threads

I'd say Vox

>>88851468
Yeah because everyone loves Quinn, retard.

>>88851209
>but none of them have a clean nose
he says despite not having any dirt on Alban and only nothingburgers for some of the others

>>88851840
Reimu won't be as welcomed due to the whole 'attempt' comment, generally not being that popular in the first place, and also the whole thing about shutting nina out of the group.
Vanta may also not be welcomed because he was part of the later waves and wouldn't have anything spicy to say for the dramafags, so they'll mostly ignore him.

>>88851815
Where did I mentioned that shithead? Dude is so disliked that he had a melty over not getting the Niji graduation buff after going solo

>>88843893
Why do we hate Millie again

>>88843893
where's doppio

>>88852243
Clique and Nijisanji bootlicker

>>88851988
>Your only definition if they are good is whether they are still in the company
Way to backpedal.

>>88851209
Many things you've listed are complete and utter nothingburgers. Complains for the sake of complaints.
>Alban
>he exists
Nigger are you serious? What the fuck is this shit? This is like the reverse of the sisters' "say some good things about the livers" rentry.

>>88851209
hot take: people who "know" each vtuber and give lists like this are most likely just secondaries who do not watch any of them and have no interaction beyond catalogshitting. no person ever would have time to see every one of them personally to know all of this

>>88852446
he's a good one, but we already know he's not leaving

>>88853314
He'll save nijisanji

>>88852243
Did you forget the replied she gave selen after her music video was taken down?
There’s also the 4chan stream, the constant bootlicking and the major damaging one is being best friends with Enna and Elira

>>88852243
Secret GC stream

>>88854225
he and rosemi will reforge niji into proper shape

>>88848272
Fulgur is also a faggot (homosexual).

>>88854262
You forgot about her being a flip.

>>88843893
gura

>>88844109
Water bottle man forgotten again...

>>88843893
Is the lower left one any good?

>>88851956
Don't forget Reimu left some shit behind in the ES fandom as she was friends with a known groomer and pedophile

>>88857025
That seemed like a bunch of bullshit. At least that was the conclusion I arrived at when I saw it actually being discussed with receipts.

>>88858072
majority of those "yabs" are nothingburger and e-celeb gossips from secondaries

>>88851209
Don't forget the "Zaion gaslit me"
Most dramafags are pro-Zaion, so they'll probably have Finana on thin ice before going down on her (like her KMS tweet earlier this year)

>>88846812
Yeah, this is something a lot of people who didn't actually watch Selen don't get. It was a real stab in the back.
Also, I'm convinced he actually planned to say worse stuff about her, but the legal team cut it. He keeps making references to "things we can't say", this was probably where he was shittalking her that management nixed because it could potentially get them sued if he said it.

>>88847974
That would only happen if Doki reached out to her.

>>88843893
>Finana
>Reimu
>Ike
>No Ren or Doppio
How the fuck is this a list of still liked members?

Anyways, I'd bet money on either Ren or Petra next at this rate. Rose is a tossup at this point since she might have been gaslit enough to stay.

Actually, no. I'm gonna throw in a wildcard and say Shu got sped to the front of the queue.

>>88859057
yeah, i doubt that'd happen

also, for some reason i can't really remember and not willing enough to remind myself, but during neopets/black screen stream, wasn't doki mentioning something about friends back there? i'd guess bobon was one, but still curious if there any contacts left

>>88859400
obsydias contracts renew in feb so we see then not sure about iluna but theyre all in japan for 3d according to aia so rens not likely

>>88848181
Yeah, as annoyed as I am with that black stream, Elira's actual dedicated fans have never really been a problem, which does make the whole thing so confusing and frustrating.
I really hope at some point we find out exactly what the fuck was going on, but I'm sure nobody other than maybe Quinn, Finana, or Millie would be desperate/stupid enough to spill anything.

>>88859539
Maybe notHex will. Or not.

>>88843893
I hope reimu leaves and gets into hololive. She's too talented to rot away in nijisanji.

>>88856558
She's boring.
Basically Rosemi but even more boring. She's a decent singer and seems to put in a lot of effort, though.

Also I find it hilarious how people forgot about Reimu's little play button stunt.
A few weeks after Claude did his "YOU COULD JUST FUCKING ASK," thing, Reimu posted a picture on her RM of two play buttons with the names conveniently censored by the camera angle. It's pretty fucking obvious from her personality and the current events at the time that she ordered a second play button from her RM and was trying to imply that Nijis could actually get their own play buttons. Any discussion got slammed down by the jannies for off-topic due to where it was posted, though, which was taboo for /here/ but completely okay for nyfco.

>>88859889
She'd probably join Taiga in IdolES

>>88859434
The last we heard from her about this topic were her claims about not wanting to reach out to anyone from her past around the time she and Mint reconnected. There's zero chance she has kept in touch with anyone from that time, and at this point, I doubt any of them has the guts to break the ice on their own

You can still catch Enna being extremely passive-aggressive on stream when talking about the drama, saying shit like,"no one knows the whole truth" and stuff like that. So just imagine the kind of garbage the "inner circle" talk about in private. And then there are people like Vivi and maybe Rosemi, who probably felt too ashamed to try reaching out to Doki.

There’s a chance Doki might reconnect with more organs if they graduate, but someone (like Mint or Matara, for example) would need to act as an intermediary to get them talking again

>>88859989
I'm pretty sure she was ostracised in the ES sphere before she joined Niji.

>>88860055
I mean Vivi has an easier time, because Sajam Slam and can get paired with Doki there

>>88860177
They literally collabed 2 weeks ago.

>>88860055
Honestly the only ones I could see her realistically getting into contact with would be Rosemi, Doppio, maybe Fulgur, and obviously Vivi after getting in touch during the Sajam Slam. But again, Doki would never be the one to reach out.

Hell, even with Dooby, she implied that Dooby actually contacted her first and that she was surprised that someone so cool was willing to talk to her.

Also Scarle's gone on record a few days ago talking about how "a certain unnamed yellow" was a huge inspiration and is a big driving force for her to do her best with her fans, but I think she's more of a fan than a collaborator.

>>88860177
heh you don't know shit thrradreader.

>>88860191
Yeah, I was thinking about that while writing the post, but I guess we’ll see. We know Vivi didn’t try reaching out to Doki privately to give her a heads-up about wanting to join the tournament, so it’s easy to assume they haven’t talked at all since the drama. The tournament situation must have been pretty awkward for both of them, and I sincerely doubt Doki tried to get in touch with her during or after the event (probably for the same reasons she avoided Mint)

Mint collaborating with Vivi’s PL is just a matter of time, so we’ll see if she’s interested in helping as an intermediary

>>88860418
>Also Scarle's gone on record a few days ago talking about how "a certain unnamed yellow" was a huge inspiration and is a big driving force for her to do her best with her fans, but I think she's more of a fan than a collaborator.
That's cool, I hope she can escape soon.

>>88860418
>>88860055
The point is, they would need to reach out first. And I doubt the likes of finana would get any reception even if they do reach out.

>>88860575
>Vivi and Minto
Fuck they could even do a stupid group name like Ghostbustin' or some shit.

>>88860614
>And I doubt the likes of finana would get any reception even if they do reach out.
Doki was quick to blame management for pushing the organs to harass her, so I doubt she holds any hard feelings toward most of them. I don’t think she even wants an apology at this point, it'd probably be enough for them to be willing to break the ice and try to reconnect again.

But that’s just Doki. Finana, on the other hand, is one of the laziest, most childish, and selfish vtubers I’ve seen. She will never, ever, try to reach out to Doki again.

>>88860575
>I hope she can escape soon.
To be fair she seems to be in her own little bubble - I guess maybe management leaves her alone for the most part, and if that's the case then I can see from her point of view that it's easier to have a corpo structure to deal with merch/promotion/admin etc (even if it's not very good at it) rather than have to handle it all yourself.

>>88860575
>We know Vivi didn’t try reaching out to Doki privately to give her a heads-up about wanting to join the tournament,
Do we? I only watch Doki, so I don't know if Vivi's said anything about it. I just assumed from Doki's statements that they were both able to use the group chat and thus see each other's accounts, just not to acknowledge each other.
It'd be super sad Vivi at least didn't take the chance to talk in DMs.

Actually, I guess Nijisanji has access to her discord, so if she said anything to Doki, they'd know.

>>88860614
>if
https://rentry.org/7oo4a7oq#mar-5-how-long-from-start-to-1-finana
Don't count on it.

>>88860972
Doki went out of her way to explain how the whole thing happened, mentioning that Sajam was the one who told her everything, and that at first, she felt very nervous and unsure of what to think. Maybe I'm wrong and she was pretending that Vivi hadn’t reached out beforehand, but I don’t think Doki would lie about something as important as that

>Actually, I guess Nijisanji has access to her discord, so if she said anything to Doki, they'd know.
I mean, they could always talk using different accounts. Not that I think Vivi would have had direct access to Doki's DMs after the drama, but I’m sure she could have found a way to at least send a message through intermediaries if she’d wanted to. Vivi probably just wanted to keep doing what she enjoyed (fighting games) but wasn’t brave enough to face Doki at the time

>>88861276
Nta and I fully believe some of the Reimu and one of the Enna appearances (because I was in those threads) - but the only Finana appearance I believe is the one where the anon (possibly her) was crying about how she'd been abandoned even though she tried to make things right with fans like naming a sims baby after one of the ones who left - which I thought was a weird and very specific thing to bring up.

>>88860963
The Scarle situation is pretty funny, because at this point, the only benefits she gets from Nijisanji are the outfits and model updates she wins through the lottery. She barely gets any merch, and I highly doubt her few whales buy dupes of her voice packs when they could just keep showering her with akas instead

She is probably just bidding her time and getting everything ready for her indie debut once she is allowed to graduate

>>88861276
99% of it sounds like absolute bullshit. 1% I'm not sure about.

>>88861462
>Naming a sims baby after one of them
Excuse me what? How the fuck is that supposed to make someone go back to watching her?

>>88861276
>Why should she apologize to those backstabbing whores? Sayu is a menhera who used Finana as an excuse, and as for Doki, no matter how many times Finana wanted to start something with her, doki just treated her as some little kid. If anything they should apologize to Finana for all the harms they caused to her
This is probably Finana, it was the first time that anyone said that Doki treated her like "some little kid".

>>88861403
well beforehand, yeah, but I mean after the tournament started, you'd expect Vivi to break the ice or something.
Hell, she even slipped up during the finals watchalong, screaming "PUT ON THE DOKI WIG, SYKKUNO!"

>>88848074
>thinks it's weird that entertainers who work for the same company would have backstage conversations out of the view of the general public

>>88861681
Honestly, I’d like to think Vivi said "You know what? Fuck it, someone invite me to Doki's private Discord" when she saw that Doki took her side. But there’s also a chance she’s just a big retard and was happy enough with the current situation. So, eh, we’ll see.

>>88861276
oh man, I remember those threads on feb 27 and 28.
I was so hopeful that maybe she was redeemable in the first thread before the second one kind of threw that out the window.
That "This is how you fags chased Sayu away from her old friends" line stuck with me because it's so goddamn disconnected with what happened and Sayu's feelings at the time. Especially since she was worried about being doxxed again that week and talking about having to move again if she got more news, (which she eventually did.)

>>88861629
I've absolutely no idea, which is why I'm pretty sure that was probably her because she is genuinely retarded - and I don't even mean that as an insult, I think in some countries she'd be required to have a carer. So given that it seems exactly like the kind of thing she'd think up.

>>88861588
The Reimu ones in which -she- was desperately begging to be left alone in regards to the PL shit I think are almost certainly her. I don't think there are that many anons who are that familiar with her PL circle. The Enna self-deletion is also almost certainly her, because that same anon continued to argue in multiple follow up threads for hours and hours long into the night, and then the next day Enna cancelled her appearance in the collab that had been scheduled to take place because she was feeling unwell.

>>88843893
rosemi please leave, join phase, vshojo, I don't care, but leave niji.

I remember petra's pl post about she wished she was strong enough to stand up for other people.

>>88862763
Standing up for others is nice and all, but you know what's even better? Shutting the fuck up, doing the bare minimum, and making easy money. It's not like Petra even seemed to enjoy streaming that much, so she doesn’t have a reputation to worry about

>>88862627
She'll be too small for Vshojo, but the CEO of Phase seems to have some autistic obsession with collecting ex-Tsunderia so he'll probably jump at the chance to offer her a decent deal even if she has low numbers.

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>>88843893
>Who's next?
All of them. All 12 in your pic, and all of the other 19.
The branch is dead in the water, and the whole vtuber world knows it. Their Q2 streaming revenue is likely to be under 100m JPY, and their commerce revenue is so low that are closing their overseas warehouse at the end of this month and will only ship from their Japan warehouse afterwards.
The only two questions anyone has are "when will the company make the official announcement" and "when will the actual closure happen;" and my guesses are "alongside the Q2 report and the announcement of another stock buyback" and "December 31" respectively.

The TSE opens in a little under 5 hours, at 7pm Eastern / 4pm Pacific.

>>88863069
My point was not about petra's feelings but that there was active bullying going on and petra seemed to be aware of it. Whether it was everyone clowning on selen after her song got privated or if it was something long term, she was definitely in the know.

>>88863137
na she has higher numbers now even after the niji boycott than nina and mika ever did and haruka as well

>>88863470
Michi is actually proof that vsj can grow an audience from nothing and still be successful. She had a new model, hadn't streamed in a long time and even /vsj/ was skeptical of her at first. But here we are.

>>88844109
>AIA
I always thought she was watered down scarle.

>>88861629
>>88862018
In general, Finana was always the one trying to heavily push OceanLaw, with Selen never really playing into it on stream or off, making it really one-sided.
Finana complaining about being treated as a kid, as well as whining that people like sayu were "chased away from her friends" despite her own statements being a huge part of the reason for that is definitely in line with her MO of being a self-centered brat incapable of taking other people's feelings or situations into account.
Hell, for other examples, you just have to look at the Uki offcollab during girls night where she let pomu take the blame, that one japan trip where she fucked up and forgot her card, so she made pomu pay for everything, the fact that she spent so much on gacha that she couldn't afford to go to antarctica, etc...

For the record there isn’t a “question”

It’s Twisty, who literally streamed last night in her secret account and talked about how she’s commissioning a new model

>>88863378
>that are closing their overseas warehouse at the end of this month and will only ship from their Japan warehouse
What I found particularly funny is that pretty much all of the replies and QTs were talking about how happy they were that the merch would be shipping from a closer location - NijiEN seemingly has no Western fans left.

>>88863378
>will only ship from their Japan warehouse afterwards
so just as it was for years before? i'm dragoon and all selen merch i've bought back then was shipped from japan, tho i live in europe, maybe us goons got their merch from us warehouse
>stocks, graphs, investors
fake gay numbers, sadly i don't believe in nijien dying, it's always "2 more weeks" and then nothing happens. time to stop huffing copium, riku just won't be able to buy second yacht, that's it

>>88863717
The problem with dramafags is that they are always looking for their next fix so when they are expecting something to happen they want it to happen fast. Hence the "2 more weeks".

EN branch, if to be merged will first be turned an rotting corpse by many livers graduating and many pretty much centering on japan and being EN only in name. This can take a year, maybe more. Graduations themselves are very slow.

>>88863677
>that one japan trip where she fucked up and forgot her card, so she made pomu pay for everything
That was New York iirc.

>>88850729
>Not malicious
You mean the girl who vt found out before her debut that her and her ff14 bf got people to run her through high tier content for gear and then ghost them after?

>>88861992
>you fags chased Sayu away
Wait how does that work? Sisters are the ones that harassed her.
>>88862018
Yeah, no wonder that didn't work, I wonder if vaguely addressing it earlier might've been a better move, instead of crying for valoguards a year later.

Welp I'm glad I dropped her for Sayu, Mint and Doki, makes for some funny NTR puns, since she used to joke using the term a lot, but that'd be too mean for her.

>>88863677
>OceanLaw
as a dragoon, to this day i don't get where the fuck it came from. selen had collabs with finana just as with anyone, i barely remember any of them. complete contrast with pomu, each collab was kino, no wonder lunarfairy and fantomethief appeared

>>88844109
>anonymous intentionally left Ike out.
I see what you did.

>>88863710
No Twisty, I'm still not going to watch you

>>88864007
Selens collabs with fulgur were great too

>>88851209
>switched to Vanta for the new hotness
Dude can't catch a break kek

>>88863470
I don't know how you'd quantify that but I'm calling bullshit.
Nina:
Average viewers: 7.9k. 280k USD in SC.
Rosemi:
Average viewers: 823. 195k USD in SC.
From Playboard

>>88863717
I thought the warehouse only did merch for Xsoleil and the gens after them

>>88863677
>she couldn't afford to go to antarctica
desu, as pomu said back then, she'd probably wound't bear the trip anyways, it was rough

>>88863378
> -8
kek

>>88864133
Tbf Vanta is a massive step up over Vox

>>88863710
>join Niji
>piss off all the remaining Nijifags
>publicly ridicule sisters on twitter
>piss off some dragoons
>piss off unicorns
>have your fans spam you all over the catalog pissing off anons who don't even have much of an opinion on Niji
>leave after a year
Kek

>>88863887
Ah. I'm a bit tired, so I forgot where the trip was.
>>88864000
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/70072958#p70099650
>First off, I'm not Elira. Second off, refuse? Doki is in all likelihood the one refusing to communicate if anything. Then you're left with nothing and this is exactly how you fags chased Sayu away from her old friends. By telling her that she had to shut up.
Fuck if I know how on earth she ended up with this but then immediately deflected when told that she slandered zaion on stream with
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/69903335#p69910560
>Because you only see the side you want to see, people remember the bad, never appreciate the good she has done. How do you think she feels going from 1.6k average down to 500 live viewers on average now? Every time she speaks out she is instantly attacked, to this day people still refer to her as the “Parasocial fucks” streamer

>>88864249
Feel like she only wanted to network then fuck off

>>88863710
If her PL is who I think it is, then she's also a hex sister. So don't keep your hopes high.

>>88864333
>Down to 500 viewers
>Barely breaks over 300 now
I feel slightly bad saying this, but.
Aged like fucking milk

>won't leave unless the clique does
Finana
Reimu
Fulgur
Aia
Ike

>trying to milk the connections and opportunities but probably will leave long term
Twisty
Vanta
maybe Alban

>playing long game for merge
Rosemi
Maria
maybe Alban

>likely to be well-treated simply for the cash she makes, makes sense for her to stay
Scarle

>not leaving until she's done with university because getting another visa provider would be a pain, and that could be anywhere between this March and March 2029 because we have no idea what department or degree she's doing
Petra

>>88864143
>Average viewers: 7.9k. 280k USD in SC.
It wasn't actually that high on average. Playboard fucks around for some reason with average viewers. It says Selen's was like 4-5k when it was more like 3k.
I think Nina's was still around 3-5k though, which is extremely high and borderline unthinkable compared to today's niji.

>>88864079
They were, and considering he's clearly fucking done with management I hope there'll be some in future - but unfortunately a lot of dramafags will probably attack him because of the ancient discord leak.

>>88861672
Yeah it sounds way too specific and personal to be said by someone unrelated

>>88864454
>>trying to milk the connections and opportunities but probably will leave long term
It's funny that of all the remaining organs, that absolutely describes Kotoka, who refuses to stream on her own channel and only appears in collabs with bigger JP streamers.
Actual gold digger.

>>88863378
>Event: -8
EVERYTIME

>>88864510
I think she’s just done with EN and waiting it out for the merger after she got dog piled by holo fans, nobody gives a shit about Niji JP in the west, so she’s safe if she’s just in those streams

>>88864247
As in a normal likeable dude, or swarms of female gachis?

>>88864454
Does Maria live in Japan? The merge benefits only Petra, Meloco and the gyaru character.
Does anyone besides those 3 live in Japan?

The likely reality for most of everyone in Nijisanji from the first 6 waves is that they stand more to lose than to gain by leaving. Hanamori aside, most were middling indie vtubers, with roughly half also being extremely middling corpo vtubers despite seniority (Rosemi, Petra, Millie, Reimu) and the other half being have-beens that destroyed a lot of goodwill they had through their actions and attitudes (Finana, Elira, Enna, Vox, Ike, Luca).
Also
>still liked members
lmao

>>88846731
He’s also had multiple projects cancelled recently for being “too dark”, meanwhile Vox had child murder as a main plot point of his “film”. Wouldn’t surprise me if Fulgur wants out

>>88864462
The funny thing about that leak is that nobody in it even said anything particularly bad, it just keeps being reposted because of idiots and dramafags misconstruing their words

>>88863416
We can make some assumptions based on Pomu’s PL behavior:

>Everyone knew something was going on with Selen, but no one thought it was that serious. This suggests the bullying wasn’t happening openly, and that Pomu probably assumed it was just a shitty company being shitty and coworkers acting like retarded kids.

>Pomu’s PL only reacted to the drama after Selen’s termination. While she was clearly bummed about whatever she thought was going on with Selen, she acted normally during Selen’s suspension, even doing the full graduation collab tour. It’s hard to believe she was aware at that time of anyone being involved in whatever happened to Selen.

>This implies that Pomu didn’t think much of Millie calling out Selen on twitter, so she likely saw it as something Millie would normally do (because she's an idiot) or because she didn’t know the full story.

>During her Japan trip, Pomu’s PL suddenly started doomposting about something she’d learned about her former company, saying she didn’t know what to think anymore. This was right before she ghosted Enna, and since then, she’s completely cut ties with the group. Whatever she found out may have changed her perception of them, or at least of Enna.

Thanks to Anycolor’s and Vox’s retarded self reporting, we have a pretty clear timeline of events: the MV was taken down, Selen was suspended, and her coworkers privately called her out because they were mad she’d made them look bad. She then tried to hurt herself, was hospitalized, Nijisanji panicked and sent the organs to ask her to take down the tweet and apologize. She gave them the finger, asked to graduate, and only when they refused did she threaten to go public about what happened. That’s when they decided to get ahead of her, terminate her, and try to smear her reputation to turn the community against her.

My guess is that only the people mentioned in the black frame stream (Vox, Elira, Enna, and Millie) were fully aware of what happened. Everyone else got the usual dose of kool-aid and a "trust me, bro" story, trying to frame Selen as an unstable person who threw a tantrum when she didn’t get what she wanted. Pomu probably bought the story because she hadn’t seen what actually happened, and the alternative was too wild to believe at the time. It seems she only learned the full truth during her stay in Japan, this was after the black frame stream, so the timing suggests she discovered something we don’t know, something that made her completely turn her back on her former friends... and given Millie and Enna’s behavior since then, it’s easy to imagine Pomu might have caught them bad mouthing Doki or something along those lines

My conclusion is that NijiEN is full of selfish and retarded kids who are easily manipulated by the peer pressure of a few snakes

I honestly can't take anything serious from people who put Aia alongside the "baddies", when pretty much everyone whose worked with her has said nothing but positive things about her.
>but but her rice score! And she doesn't want to be saved!
come on now

>>88864435
At least she has a standard of measurement named after her

>>88864748
Both?

>>88864825
I think Maria is AUS, so JP adjacent

>>88864454
Aia I have no idea about but Fulgur is very clearly not supportive of what happened to Selen, and I think a lot of anons (the ones who never watched Niji at least) on this board just want to lump him in with the bad Nijis because of his comments about Council years ago.

>>88864825
Wasn't Vanta looking into moving?

>>88864748
nta, but as a normal likeable dude. i used to catch up with some of his streams back in the day, and he was just a chill guy playing his games like monhun and dark souls, no asmr, no erp, no flirting

>>88865034
Not the same. Look at Bae. If a merger is happening the only way it truly benefits people is if they live in Japan. More opportunity for collabs, to network, for more merch/marketing, to develop closer work relationships with bigger JP names.

>>88864631
Mel was a month before she went AWOL.
Her last stream was feb 12, the day of the black stream. She probably was smart after noticing the similarity of what she did to zaion a year before, and decided to lay low for a while, then only interact with the audience that doesn't know or care about Selen.
If she actually gave a shit about these mythical Holofans, she wouldn't have continued posting on twitter ever since, which is where she'd get more publicly visible anti posts had they existed.
She just doesn't care about fostering a fanbase, but wants all of the benefits and easy money that comes from it.

>>88865218
This, he tanked Selen's Graduation (pre-black stream) by playing fucking Dark Souls, it was kino

>>88864825
>Does anyone besides those 3 live in Japan?
elira

>>88865370
Oh well, regardless of where she lives, Elira is sinking with the ship unless she's willing to dogeza, apologize and ready to receive a ton of hate should she ever want to return to indie vtubing. Merger or not, she doesn't really have a choice except ride it out in Nijisanji

>>88865370
Riku probably keeps her in a fucking dog kennel

>>88864857
No, to be fair as a dragoon I was happy at the time that she wasn't involved in it. It really does come across as fairly shitty to talk about other people who work in the same industry as you like that. Nothing said in it is worthy of being condemned forever, but I can understand why it angered so many fans of Holo and why some of them still hold a grudge. I just wish some anons would be honest about hating him because of that rather than bizarrely trying to link him to the clique.

>>88864859
>bullying wasn’t happening openly
ofc not, if it's done by women. i don't know any woman who'd shittalk you in your face unless you directly confront her, it's always backstabs and behind the back shit, that's why it's more toxic than male bullying. and that's why "it wasn't bullying" and other shit, and why some people might tolerate enna, elira and such and have seemingly normal relations

>>88865370
Elira does not live in Japan.

>>88864179
Wether she could have handle the trip, the reality is that Finana wasted her last chance to be as a group together. On her members she started crying when talking about Pomu graduating and how much she regretted wasting money on gachas making her unable to afford the trip. Note that in the same stream she talked about people being jealous about her “friends” (valoguards).
So yeah even at her most down she still defends the people who ruined her career, angered her fanbase away and still refuses to admit her faults

>>88865666
Satan is right.

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>>88843893
reimu will be next.

>>88864859
>she threaten to go public
i don't think that's what she intended to do, but that is definitely what niji interpreted she'd do

>>88864859
>faggoon writing fanfiction again
Meanwhile Mint met up with Elira, Enna, Millie, Ike and other nijis in August for Otakuthon. Ike confirmed they met up on stream, and Mint posted a video where you can hear Elira at the start.

>>88865313
i think it's very funny that vanta is considered normal likeable guy and kyo is considered insufferable wigger

>>88864344
I mean if she signed her contract last December, right before the shit royally hit the fan, then what else could she do while in Niji, apart from networking until her contract runs out and then fucking off into the sunset?

>>88865900
> Ike confirmed they met up on stream
No, he said he saw them and said hi. Neither Mint nor Matara even hinted that it

>and Mint posted a video where you can hear Elira at the start.
Please, go ahead and post the Antarctic clip with the penguins where you can barely hear Elira in the background over all the wind and random noises

Sister, anon, shitposter, whatever you are, just let it go and come up with something better

>>88865900
Ike said he "got to meet" Mint & Matara, not that he "met up" with them. Completely different meanings.

>>88866061
Kyo is the only retard to attack Sayu again and claiming how he didn’t deserve the hate because he was a barely Legal

>>88866155 (me)
>Neither Mint nor Matara even hinted that it happened, and Matara doesn't mind talking about the organs, so it's easy to assume that it wasn't planned
cut this sentence short by mistake

>>88866155
>antarctica
Not what I'm talking about retard, I clearly said otakuthon in August you absolute retard.
You can hear Elira saying "yep" at the start of this video https://x.com/MintFantome/status/1820201795345588237

>>88866339
You are a fucking idiot.

>>88866395
>no argument
I accept your concession faggoon

>>88866339
>clearly
nta, i wouldn't even recognize it was yep, not even speaking about whose voice is that

>>88865370
why do retards keep saying this

>>88864859
>This was right before she ghosted Enna, and since then, she’s completely cut ties with the group. Whatever she found out may have changed her perception of them, or at least of Enna.
What happened with Enna? Did Enna complain about pomu or something?

Also I wouldn't let Ike off the hook for that dogshit stream. He was actually close to Selen, so that was a real betrayal, and mirrors Meloco's role in the Zaion termination beat for beat as a "neutral party."

>>88866417
That’s my conclusion. You’d have better luck trying to push the ridiculous Antarctic clip as proof that Pomu is supporting Elira than whatever the fuck that is. And if you’re serious, you’re a fucking idiot.

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not really related, i've wanted to check what was elira doing during otakuthon and found this. elira is satisfied with fucking macdonalds employee ending of boku no hero academia

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>>88860418
Scarle isn't leaving anytime soon, she has some absolutely deranged whales. They may follow her if she leaves but I guess she doesn't want to risk it.

>>88866339
Why the fuck would Mint post a clip of Elira on her twitter account while she keeps ghosting all the organs? Please, sister, tell me what your dreams have been telling you.

>>88866492
Ignore that retard. He is combining 2 - 3 different rrats. Mint did not ignore ethyria because she never meant to hang out with them. She skipped on a meet with matara and catalogtards made up a rrat about how it was a ethyria trip that mint was skipping.
Doesn't mean they are friends or anything.

>ike
Doesn't really matter as long as he is in niji. But if he does get out, he's the most likely to sincerely apologize. Of the guy wouldn't leave in the first place because he's gay for Vox.

>>88866849
Yeah, everything was so muddy for a while it took a long time for the shitposting to die down and people to point out that the ethyria/nerd meets were on separate days with timestamps.

>>88866849
>Mint did not ignore ethyria because she never meant to hang out with them.
You are the only one confused here. Mint had her date with Kiara and went home when Kiara went to have dinner with Enna. Then, there was the time Matara met up with Ethyria, where she complained that Mint suddenly had a "headache" and couldn't make it.

>>88850871
>View post engagement
What the fuck does this even mean

>>88867053
>where she complained that Mint suddenly had a "headache" and couldn't make it.
You're the one getting confused. That was a karaoke that had Matara, Kuro, U-san, Onigiri and some non-vtuber people.

>>88867053
There was no matara meet up with ethyria you dumbo. Prove it to me if there was. And no "She said x and I thought y".

>>88866061
I don't watch either but just from the Mindshare here and clips (or lack there of of Vanta) it's easy to tell kyo is a pos. Plus that 39daph shit too

>>88866339
Yeah, Naw.

>>88867154
You know what? Maybe you are right.

>>88867312
Sure, I guess Matara and Ethyria went to Disneyland on different days and were talking about different people when they shared their stories on stream.

>>88866339
>all the faggoons and mintfags coping in the replies
KEK the truth hurts huh?
Turns out your mintwhore is just a leech playing both sides

>>88867453
Him and kyrio are far more hated by the dedicated anti niji crowd than even elira and vox.

>>88867103
Either her or someone pretending to be her posted a screen shot of a tweet of hers and in the bottom of the pic was view post engagement, which only shows up on the owner of the accounts screen

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>>88867588
>refusing to acknowledge someone, is leeching that someone

>>88867784
i bet that's some tourist that tries too hard to falseflag

I'm rooting for Claude to get out and produce the first fully dead niji wave, then get a silver play button on his own channel

>>88851636
>She's since proved herself to be rather shitty towards her fans with the twitter hack thing
now what happened

>>88865598
>It really does come across as fairly shitty to talk about other people who work in the same industry as you like that
Is it though? I don't have the image at hand, but Pomu's "all-out war" was obviously a company-level statement and not a personal one, Fulgur's "Council didn't do as well as they hoped" likewise was that plus numberfagging (which I can see how it would be shitty if he did that in public but he didn't), Shu's part was him complaining about Holo not wanting him and the other livers appreciating him helping with tech issues, and Mysta was venting about his mental health. None of them were actually shittalking the Holo talents or any specific person in particular. It's embarassing but it could've been much worse

>>88866061
Why? I don't care what race someone is. I'll say nigger but that doesn't mean I hate black people - I care about someone's character, not the random circumstances of birth. I only mock race/nationality/being ESL if that person has already shown that they're a shit person because I know it'll bother them. The only exception to this are flips because almost everywhere you look (be it vtubers, dramatubers, dramafags) they seem to be disproportionately represented - I'm sure there are some decent flips but holy fuck their well known exports don't do their country any favours. I'm a bong and the fact Vox (and probably NBinted) is from here causes me a lot of embarrassment - but at least there are examples like Vedal/Neuro as an example of someone who's not fucking awful - I don't know of any flip chuubas/dramatubers/fans who could be considered a positive.

>>88868546
It was a while ago. She tweeted about some dating app and most of her fans (reasonably in my opinion) thought her account was hacked. She then made a very long tweet about how her friend was the dev who made the app (fair enough for her clarifying) but then also shit on the fans who were panicking- she even hid some replies that were completely reasonable and were just explaining why they thought she'd been hacked. Personally I think if she apologised for her response then it could just be dismissed as a minor issue but the fact she never did gives me a pretty clear idea of the kind if person she is. I want to say this doesn't at all excuse what Niji did to her - but I'm pretty certain she's not a great person.

>>88869310
I know a couple flip indie chuubas who (to my knowledge) are decent but it's probably better not to share those with /vt/. Phase and Holostars have some as well but people have mixed opinions about them, I suppose

>>88869936
>Personally I think if she apologised for her response then it could just be dismissed as a minor issue but the fact she never did gives me a pretty clear idea of the kind if person she is. I want to say this doesn't at all excuse what Niji did to her - but I'm pretty certain she's not a great person.
Sounds about right. More recently she helpfully cleared Kyo/Quinn of doxxing her (better late than never I guess) but declined to apologize to him for those cool times she shat on him in youtube comments/False's stream chat or for letting it go on for so long. Then she thanked Piprup for, well, being how he is. People very gently called her out on it, she called them mentally ill/laughed at them then privated the account in shame. Which makes it harder for people to verify that she exonerated Quinn. Good work Sayu
More and more as time goes on I begin to wonder if she wasn't being a horrible asshole behind the scenes at Niji and that's part of what led to her getting thrown out on her ass. Like you said she still didn't deserve it, but it makes it more... explicable.

>>88870830
>Then she thanked Piprup for, well, being how he is.
When did this happen and what is the context? I'm interested in everything above too (though I think you're being slightly dishonest). Personally my opinion of Piprup is that he's a well meaning but very fucking stupid guy, probably because he's young.

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>>88866694
Her fans will follow her after she leaves. She knows it, management knows it, the other livers know it, everyone knows it. They've seen the support Doki and Mint got and continue to get from their fans, no matter how badly corporate wants them to be unaware of publicly-available information and the concept of post-Niji success.

Whether she stays or leaves after the merger has less to do with whether she's content with where she is and her current level of success, and more to do with whether or not JP management is content with where she is and her current level of success. There's at least a 20% chance of her getting "randomly" culled from the company once the merger happens, in spite of her bringing in the most superchat revenue in EN; and especially because of picrel. If she stays after the merger, JP management will do their damnedest to make sure she languishes in mediocrity, especially if she's more successful than they want her to be.

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>>88871811
Gotcha, it was around last week-ish
I do agree he's a bit trigger happy sometimes, but usually mods stop him if he goes too far

>>88864825
shu moved to japan didn't he

>>88874479
No, still only Petra, Kotoka, and Meloco.

>>88873607
Huh, well yeah that's pretty damning. I think there was only once I saw a chuuba explicitly support attacking another and that was years ago (and I can't even remember who either of them were but I do remember they were small corpos). A 4view endorsing harassment is very bad.

>>88872428
While its possible that there are managers in Nijisanji still upset over Scarle's "insubordination" back in February, I don't see them being able to cull her from the company. She's probably what a company the company wants from a talent now, someone that brings in a shitton of money even in spite of their small viewerbase, while also not engaging in petty drama as a means of "engagement" to where they damage the company's brand (compared to most of the males plus 3thyria).
And lets face it, Nijisanji's top brass wouldn't be able to get away with chasing off talents now. Their English branch is no longer in a position where they are able to scare away big moneymakers or beloved talents, the last thing they want is another PR disaster on their hands and investors catching wind of it.

>>88871811
>>88873607
here's her being a cunt to someone politely telling her to be a bit less retarded, by the way. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/2MdxQ

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>>88843893
>finana
>still liked

>>88875908
Just because you stopped watching her doesn't mean she didn't managed to get back off

>>88875389
All her see is her saying
>I don't hope you get the help you receive
In response to a tweet that QTd a tweet by her that I can't see - if she was responding to a random schizo then fair; I'm not trying to defend her - she's not my oshi but as a fellow escapee from that place I want to know about her.

>>88876585
>she's not my oshi but as a fellow escapee
*as my oshi is a fellow escapee*

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>>88875307
Picrel, mostly. She is indeed a godsend to EN management for the reasons you laid out; and as long as she continues to rake in the greenbacks while causing no controversy, they'll be more than content to leave her to her own devices and let her keep on keeping on.

HOWEVER (and this is why I'm only "mostly" picrel-ing you)

While she is indispensable to EN branch management, the EN branch itself is NOT indispensable to the company. And once the EN branch officially ceases to exist, her usefulness to the company-at-large will end. Even if she were to maintain her status of "female liver who brings in lots of superchat money without causing any controversy whatsoever, either on-stream or off-stream," she would not be unique among Niji JP livers in this regard. In EN, she's a needle in a haystack; but in JP, she'd be a needle in a box of needles.
Through no fault of her own, she would not last long in Niji proper. They'd either cull her at the merger, or let her languish without any support until her contract expires (just like the ex-ID livers). Her manager, whom she likes working with, is part of the EN branch's non-vtuber staff; and as such will almost certainly get downsized the moment the branch gets merged/closed.

And if Scarle leaves, nobody whom JP management deems "important" will have any problem with her departure in particular.

>>88874990
TBF she noticed that and did another post, but it's still a bit too bitter

>>88846812
Goes to show that what selen did was heinous if he was one of her closest friends and was there.

>>88846812
>as a dragoon
Nobody cares fag.
Btw, the one that is out is probably the fatass of Fulgur.

>>88877351
Nijiseethe

>>88843893
I feel like most of them can graduate and not be condemned besides Elira, Finana, Enna, Millie, Vox and Uki. Rosemi being the one people will accept with open arms

>>88879963
people would probably forget about finana, she's "famous" here, but i haven't seen any shizos or fans in other places, people just dropped her, afaik

also idk about uki, his dramas are minor in comparison, just people disagreeing over politics. some people might agree with him, so whatever. or maybe i've missed something, don't care enough

>>88880506
I mean not even Ryuguards think she can make it as an indie anymore

>>88867312
No, Mata did meet up with Ethyria in Japan. Both she and I think Reimu talked about it.

>>88876585
Basically a tl;dr is bunch of people were worried about her account being hacked because she used the new "news" type of post at the time and it sounded really corporate.
She got defensive about it, and schizos tried to spread that she was trying to promote a crypto scam somehow.
The quinn thing is because Quinn was shitting on her in a deleted vod now and she likely was finally able to talk to him after it went viral and quell some rrats like she did with Kenji.

Piprup is still the second worst fucking thing to ever happen to Sayu, and the rest of us absolutely hate him for how that one retard gives us a bad name. Sayu though is pretty attached to any fan that was around during the termination and her recovery, as well as anyone who bothered to defend her from schizo rrats publicly, because she didn't really get that last year.

>>88880800
well, i think there's some confusion about what we are discussing. noombers? as in if she'd get sizeable audience as an indie? probably no, maybe eventually if she'd move on and work on herself and her career, which most likely won't happen. can she continue her career as an indie in a stable manner w/o attracting drama? probably yeah, unlikely that it would be anything remarkable tho