>with lots of people >no pov too nervous Do you really believe it? https://x.com/narinmikure/status/1853715906565943722https://x.com/narinmikure/status/1853715906565943722
>>88908390wtf am I looking at?
>>88908390Can you post before and after, it's like i missing a context here.
>>88909099Elira+Finana collab.
>>88908390I don't know who this is or what you mean but I'm gonna guess it's sex pests and cucking related
>>88909099Same collab as the one remia had on her schedule before she too tried to hide it
>>88908390Yea I do believe it.Narin mentioned in a stream days before Remia posted her schedule that Remia invited her to a non-VSPO collab and that she didn't know the members/time yet but said yes because she wanted to leave her comfort zone and collab outside her corpo for the first time.>>88715012She also said she might not be able to stream it because it's at 9am for her.>>88833050Apparently the collab started because Remia asked Leo from NeoPorte for a collab and he invited the Niji people.>>88880311>>88906546 They are probably not close friends and it's hard to back out now.Unsub if you don't like it but I doubt OP even watches any of the VSPO EN girls in the first place xd
>>88909414So they decide to just hide the names and go ahead anyway? Cute, I wonder if botchi are dumb enough to fall for it
>>88909458Yea if you read >>88906546 it's probably hard to back out of a collab that's been finalized even if it's an invitation from a friend of a friend when they're all within the corpo sphere xd What do you suggest they do anon?
>>88909500>probablyYeah, they are retarded enough
>>88909515ok xd
>>88908390The odd thing is she mentioned no one.Usually Vtubers mention someone to direct their audience. Even Remia her coworker wasn't mentioned.>>88909414>Apparently the collab started because Remia asked Leo from NeoPorte for a collab How well connected is Leo in the EN scene?Looking at his collabs its mostly Niji and 1st stg prod's Ikemen wave EN wise.
>>88908390The replies crack me up. If this is the kind of audience that she has then I'm not surprised the collab is still happening.
>>88909924It was before she started hiding like a coward>>88909176
>>88909414Well-informed anons are why I stalk this damned board and tolerate all the retards. Thanks for the info.
>>88908390who?
What’s with all the cloak-and-dagger with this collab? You’re ultimately going to be chilling with clique organs, why not own it? It’s not like you can reverse that after the fact.
>>88910162they unironically think this will reduce the backlash
>>88910162People are making a big deal out of things because Elira's a part of it and her reputational baggage isn't exactly light. At best, she's a victim made to do something unsavory. At worst, she's the kind of snake the Bible tells you to ignore. But regardless of which side you buy into, the behavior of the talents involved is rather unusual. The removal of their names from Remia's schedule and the total lack of mention of collab partners in Narin's warrants eyebrow raising simply because it's unusual. And when unusual behavior happens with any string of attachment to Niji EN, it attracts a horde of eyes. If you're like me and you believe Anycolor will not learn any lessons unless you deny their talents of any revenue while they're wearing the rainbow logo, then this collab will certainly arouse skepticism of some sort. If you're neutral or apathetic, then it won't matter to you.
>>88910060I'm talking about Narin's schedule >>88908390Normally you would at least mention your coworker (who invited you) so Kuremons would watch her stream. Remia gets exposure to Kuremons. Kuremons get to see Narin.If you're out of the loop then you have no idea how to watch Narin's collab based off her schedule alone.
>>88910271It probably will. From what I gather, her audience has very little overlap with the part of the western fanbase that knows and cares about the Selen shock, so anyone who doesn't already know about the collab partners is less likely to find out about it in the future, thus hiding a red flag.
>>88910530you say that but the audience that is most concerned about the selen shock is the same vtuber/esports overlap crew that vspoen is targeting
>>88910565There's a reason why I didn't say it's a good idea in terms of growth.
>>88909500They still should have cancelled the whole thing. Really kind of strengthens the idea that VSPO/Brave has absolutely no idea what the fuck they are doing with the EN branch, and haven't got a clue about the overseas market.At the very least Narin should have quietly dropped out, or they should pull her out. Would minimize any potential damage at least
>>88910615vspo management not caring about nijien is one thing, nobody really expects them to step in and start policing their collabsBut Narin and Remia willingly choosing to go ahead with the elira collab speaks volumes about who they are as people
>>88909500>hard to back out of a collabJust fake illness. Works everytime
>>88908390this is the elira collab right?
>>88910695Yep
>>88910615>>88910677Comments like these are directly ignoring what >>88909414 has to say about it. I'm no fan of Elira and her gang of besties but there's probably more nuance to this than meets the eye.
>>88910851That comment isn't saying anything good about this, mind you. If she can't say no then it paints the whole group in a bad light. If she didn't want to say no then it paints her in a bad light.
>>88910851what you call nuance, I call cope by botchi and kuremons who don't want to admit that their girls are willingly collabing with Elira. It's the same kind of cope some other retards make about Elira being forced into making that stream at gunpoint
>>88910530A part of her audience are Japs that probably don't give a shit about NijiEN/SelenShe's decent at Japanese and could probably make the shift to JP if EN sinks, so I think she's more diversified.
>>88910900I'm just tired of pointing fingers endlessly and saying "HEY YOU BAD" by way of association. It's been months and months since February. I'm weary of the constant skepticism I've had to maintain of everyone in Niji EN's proximity.
>>88910913I understand that perspective too. And, well, if I don't hear any other positive things about her or if I see future association with Niji EN after this collab, then VSPO! EN will have been forever tainted in my eyes. A shame. But what's the worth of a few corpotubers in this oversaturated market anyway.
>>88910677They maybe should step in, or care a bit at least help with this side a bit >>88910851They are the EN version of their premiere branch, they are doing okay but not that great. Maybe step and have the members not go ahead with one of main things that could easily piss off the main target demographic of the branch. It's such an unnecessary unforced error for a branch that's is trying to find its feet
>>88910935whenever you feel that way, just rememberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4the black stream is still up
>VSPOEN>Gradually started spamming Niji collabsBraveGroup are cooking something and I'm just gonna wait for the results
>>88909414Jesus the amount of shit I’m reading here. First of all if you are not an Indie then why is your manager not vetting out these collabs? Clearly VSPO is ok with this, stop the copeWhich brings me to the Leo/Claude situation, and that’s what make me go pure LMAO. So if you ar efriend with a person, and that person invites someone to a outing and the guy is an absokute piece of shit, you just sit and smile?I would immediately find 100 excuses to get the fuck out and then have a good talk with my friend. Good of her to not show PoV, that’s the only way out at this point.
>>88911016Well, to be frank, what has been seen of Niji EN's handling has not inspired any hope regarding any hands-on management for overseas branches. Hololive maintains its status of de facto best simply by making no fatal errors and even then, they had portions of management totally unaware of Nerissa's family making regular appearances onstream. I get the sense JP management maintains varying degrees of hands-off, which is troubling to say the least.
>>88909176did her fans call her out or something?
>>88911068>they had portions of management totally unaware of Nerissa's family making regular appearances onstream.That's not EN management that's unaware of Nerissa's family, but general JP studio staff
>>88910932Hence what I said in >>88910021. The replies scream Niji proxy to me.
>>88911068Homos are Hololive fatal error
>>88911042Leo is Neoporte which has Shibuya HAL who you probably don't want to piss off as a esports focused vtubing group. At the point where Leo invites his nijiclique friends, all you can do is just sit there and take it basically.
Maybe one of the members will complain of tummy hort and ditch.
>>88911088Enough of them testified as much /here/ to spook her it seems.
>>88910679Faking an illness is not as easy to pull off as you think. You'll need to remove streaming one day before or after to make it seem legit. Furthermore, in this case, it is obvious that you are running away from the collab by saying you are sick
>>88911277So Ironmouse skipping out on collabs with Doki by saying tummy hort is indicative of her stance as well?
>>88911297More than a few people assume this is the case, yeah.
>>88911297Ironmouse actually has serious health issues.
>>88911031I'd put it more on VSPO in particular. Brave branches seem to run more autonomously than most other corpos. A good example is how VSPO EN started off strong with the palpable botted debuts hey were infamous for across the pond, while v4m's debut numbers seemed to be on the level. I guess the eSports division is really intent to play Brave's heel for the Western market.
>>88911297Ironmouse is a different case because she is big enough to do whatever she wants without much repercussions. It is somewhat similar to gura's case of not streaming at all
>>88911297Who says Doki wants to collab with Ironmouse?
>>88911277you say that like deliberately hiding the guests involved doesn't already make it obvious
>>88911409They were literally slated to collab with some fleshies but Ironmouse skipped out.
>>88911068>has not inspired any hope regarding any hands-on management for overseas branches. Hololive...Already had their big moment for this, which kind of flew under the radar outside of here. The previous management of holoEN was doing such a shit job. Pretty much all the girls have talked about how bad things were, some more subtly then others. They did step in though, and overhauled holoENs management team sometime at the end of 2022. Things slowly got a lot better. Still room for improvement, but I think it speaks a lot that they did actually do something pretty drastic and improved things. Without there being much fallout.
>>88911372is this showing that they all livetweet about elira but don't comment on doki?Seems like they don't actually want to succeed
>>88910382I guess Narin should have put Remia's name in the schedule. Then again, by excluding Remia's name, Narin's cloak and dagger is a lot stronger
>>88911463>is this showing that they all livetweet about elira but don't comment on doki?Anon, it's the exact opposite...
>>88910615I think the reason why Narin still went through with the collab is because she wanted to collab with finana (she likes her a lot for who knows what reason). However, Narin is too afraid of reaching out and collabing by herself so it ended out this way.
Doki is going to get herself blacklisted by VSPO JP at this rate.
>>88911031Brave is literally the reason why all small corpos started spamming male collabsit should be obvious what they're "cooking"
>>88909414Cool. However, this still doesn't explain why Remia deleted their names (and only their names) on her schedule.
>>88911830She doesn't need them. And frankly, VSPO! EN could use a boost but playing around like this instead of gunning for it is only hurting their long-term odds of making that collab ever happen lol
>>88911545I mean doki is showing up a new model by their mama while elira is just playing persona. Of course they'll talk about her.
>>88911830>get herself I beg your pardon, sister?
>>88909414>>88911694>>88911231am i getting this right?this is narin's first collab outside her corpo that she was invited to by remia without knowing the full details, and she has expressed that she is socially awkward and nervous, and the collab is at 9am for her, which is why she's not streaming itboth vspo ens aren't actually friends with the niji people and this collab started because remia asked leo from neoporte for a collab and he invited his niji friendsvspo en cant back out because it would be bad for their relationship with neoporte as an esports corpo since neoporte is owned by shibuya hal what a mess lmfao
>>88911883>>88910271
>>88911844idc about homos, but looking at other members VODs, they just should collab with STARS too, to avoid making it too obvious that they're nijisisters.
>>88910935I understand that and I do think it's fucking retarded to just hate all the Nijis because of them being part of the company or because they might have been part of the """clique""" but for Elira Vox and Ike there's a video with over a million views that proves they're terrible people. What baffles me about this collab is not even the moral aspect - it's the practical one. At a time when VSPO! EN has been noted as not doing as well as expected they choose to collab with someone who is toxic to the EN sphere - they have just made certain that their EN branch will never be successful. There may well be a slight increase in viewers from dramafags and nijisisters, but neither of those actually spends money on the chuuba they're watching.
>>88912228You summarized it perfectly anon
>>88912254hell these days the nijisisters can barely even support their own branch
>>88908390there goes my only sub remaining to VSPO EN. good riddance this early i guess
>>88910679Talking about calling in sick, I think the easiest solution to this problem is for elira to back down from the collab by saying she is sick. I think most people's gripe is with her being there.
>>88912254Very true. I can't imagine this was a choice made with any real situational awareness in mind.
>>88912421if she was that selfless she wouldn't have made the black stream
>>88912244if op is what them "trying to not make it look obvious" looks like then it's probably best taht they don't
>>88912488Anything can happen anon and I betcha you are the type that won't consider her to be selfless even if she does back down from the collab
>>88912801it would unironcally lend credence to the idea that she's being forced into making the black stream, which is why I don't think she would do it because I don't buy that
>>88912373But there's still Jira...
I mean, hakka collabed with both ike and doki post black stream.
>>88912969did he collab with Elira tho?
>>88913002But ike was also in the black stream.
>>88912969Hakka is old friends with Ike from their utaite days. Somewhat of an exception of you ask me
>>88913068nobody remembers the bottle crinkler anon
I hope they stay away from this leo guy in the future. Dude's bad news.
>>88913170Considering this is the first Elira collab after February with another EN corpo (as far as I'm aware, I think she's only done a couple with small indies) it'll be interesting to see what this changes about their CCV/SC going forward - if it stays the same or increases then it might lead to more corpos collabing with her again - if the views and SCs decrease then I think that might cement her being toxic and she'll be avoided from now on.
>>88913361???
>>88913342There will be a slight decrease.
>>88913478oops wrong thread
>>88912849i don't enjoy watching league streams sorry.
>>88910361I hope you burn in hell for trying to ruin innocent people's lives to prove a point. You will be judged someday, I can't wait.
>>88913930>trying to ruin innocent people's liveYou mean like Elira, Vox, and Ike did in the blackstream?
>>88911024of course it is, it keeps doing its job. AC management put it up as a lightning rod for all the faggots to sperg on in the comments and deflect *most* of the garbage away from other places. It's done its job masterfully, they dont care about Elira any more than they cared about Selen, she's just a meat shield
>>88913976If it was doing it's job nijisanji's rep would be far better now in the west
It's kinda ironic to see that the people that hate nijisisters became exactly like them
>>88914042well the job was to lure most of the venomous comments away from other livers comments, and its done that at least. Could have been worse
>>88913966what innocent person? surely you don't mean fatass grifter? everything went down exactly how she wanted, it was quite the master scheme. She is hardly a victim
>>88914115that's something you came up with on the spot to give a reason to keeping that stream up, and I'll be a monkey's uncle if any of that even crossed the minds of any of the anycolor execs in charge of this shitshow
>>88914091we don't turn the other cheek here mate
>>88911694It's not that unlikely, desu.It's feasible she got inspired by early-mid Finana, and got detached enough while working on her PL grind, to ignore/look past her yabs prior to joining VSPO (I could easily be wrong here since idk shit about her).
>>88911042Your scenario is flawed. Say a friend of yours invites you out, and has another friend there. This other friend is super nice, fun and you have a good time, even though people talk shit about him and make him sound like an asshole, you see none of that. So maybe he has beef with someone else, why the fuck do I care? He's nice to me, I don't give a shit if he hates some other rando.
But it’s Ok if Kiara hangs out with all the clique members like she has been huh? Fuck off already, leave NijiEN alone
>>88914351fagoons are the scum of the earth, modern day nazis on a neverending witch hunt
>>88914402>>88914351>>88914299>But what aboutNIJISEETHE
>>88914299NTA. The scenario is flawed. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's quite literally happened as we speak, and over the course of the past year.
>>88914402>calls out faggoons on a post defending NijiEN Retardchama...
>>88914558yeah you tell ‘em!
>>88908390Is this Narin a GFE? seems like anon only cares about her
>>88914583again, why would I care if someone is nice to me if they have issues with some 3rd party I don't give the slightest fuck about? thats just normal human behavior, everyone has people they dont like, I'm not going to condemn them for it. I want loads of people to croak, I'm sure you do too
>>88914614I was agreeing with that anon, not contradicting them. Retardchama, reading comprehension ftl
>>88914614if they weren't retarded they wouldn't be nijiniggers
>>88908882non-functional asocial retards think collabing means you can't be shy around people
>>88913930Dude, it isn't that deep. Like Vox said, they can leave anytime they want. They can always get a different job no matter how they fuck up here. But you only get one life, and Selen nearly lost it.
>>88914614>>88914687an Doki yourselves, Fagoons
>>88914742and who's fault is that? Solely her own. It's just a job, leave if you dont like it. No one ropes because their coworkers dont like them, boo-fucking-hoo my MV didnt get released fast enough, guess I'll die! How do people not see how utterly ridiculous that is? How fake?
>>88914830NIJISEETHE
>>88914836and there she goes victim blaming again, no wonder the nijisister document never took oof
>>88914351It was never okay, what the fuck are you on about? She was called out for that immediately.
>>88914830An doki DEEZ NUTZ HAHAHAHA
>>88914836this is the kind of cartoonish villain's stooge's dialogue you'd find in a manwha about bullying lmfao.
>>88914887can't victim blame when there's no victim. Please enlighten me how a schizo being a schizo is anyone elses fault but their own? You're responsible for your own actions. If some dude at your job was more popular than you and didnt let you sit at the lunch table with the rest of the guys are you going to go blow your brains out? Of course not. You ignore it like an adult, or get a new job if it really bothers you.
>>88914893Yeah and she ignored all of it and most everyone moved on.
>>88914836>>88914830If Selen was mentally unstable and had a history with medical documents pertaining to this, then Anycolor's management made an error in hiring her. Simple as. It was a corpo loaded to the balls with money and it couldn't even do a simple proper screening. I'm not defending her, I'm criticizing your fucking argument because it all goes back to the corpo and their damn mistake.
>>88914976>can't victim blame when there's no victim.yeah that's what you'd like us to believe wouldn't you nijinig?
>>88914988I can agree with that, she should never have been hired in the first place if she was legitimately that mentally fragile. And that's on AC
>>88914988wtf do you think a background check is? They don’t get total medical histories and financial records. They pretty much only check to make sure you aren’t a wanted felon and that your social media accounts aren’t riddled with slurs
>>88915039The fact they were unable to handle her despite all of the funding and support they should have had means there's something wrong behind the scenes. There was incompetence of some sort, some variation of malice, and a whole lot of frustration. Anyone who bothered to pay attention and not let the catalog cloud their mind would understand this. You'd think that the fact not a single ex-Niji has a nice thing to say about their old company would be a good enough indicator. But no, everyone goes la la YOU'RE THE RETARD *points finger* because they can't be assed to read cues.
>>88915102Ah, so you have no idea what a thorough background check is, got it.
>>88915135So what kind of background check do you think a Japanese vtuber company can conduct on a Canadian citizen
>>88915252>Oh, do you have any underlying medical conditions that we should be aware of? Things that could possibly affect your performance on the job?It's one fucking question, anon. It's not that hard.
>>88915106I think it's mainly an out of sight, out of mind thing. Even the holoEN girls express frustration about how long things take from japan, and how little support, help and structure they had at first. And thats from the golden boy of chuuba corpos
>>88915297like she would actually tell them the truth "Why yes, actually I'm a BPD menhera and will, at some point, flip out over some tiny thing and burn everything down around me for no reason!"
>>88915301I get your point. But it means that it was negligence AT BEST.
>>88914901(me)Damn nobody replies to my funny joke
>the only proof she even has BPD is a Twitter bio back from 2019>nobody questions it, neither the sisters nor the antis
>>88915297>one fucking questionWhich is vastly different from what >>88914988 was saying. They probably did ask, but why would anyone tell their employer that they are mentally unstable
>>88915331If she had it and said she had none, and they had that in binding, then her termination could have been ACTUAL LEGITIMACY in the eyes of the public. The fact any anon can ask this simple question and Anycolor COULDN'T says a lot about their competence and priorities.
>>88915393nobody really cares to engage with the sisters in good faith when they bring up the bpd stuff, and the sisters only bring up the bpd stuff when they've run out of other things to say and are just screeching into the void so
>>88915437Anycolor would look just as bad if they fired her for being depressed. No idea how it works in Japan or Canada, but here in the states there are protections for people with mental health conditions
>>88915437yeah bro, divulging your employee's private health issues in public and blaming that for why she was fired is totally a great way to get the public on your side, you should totally work at anycolor PR, they might finally get something that will outperform negligible
>>88915526>we have determined that due to difficulties in supporting our liver, we have amicably agreed to part ways with the talent behind Selen Tatsuki. Bro all you have to do is magic up some words and the public would have eaten it up. I don't want to put in the effort but my point still stands.
>>88915437>The fact any anon can ask this simple question and Anycolor COULDN'T says a lot about their competence and priorities.You have literally no proof this question wasn’t asked. And again, no one is going to be completely honest about their mental health in a job interview.
>>88915577and if they came out with a statement like that instead of the three page smear document they actually dropped we wouldn't be talking about it
>>88914742>"You can leave Nijisanji any time you want">Throwback to Kunai not streaming at all and tweeting the following almost two weeks before her graduation was finally announced:https://x.com/SunnySplosion/status/1825675498296361303But sure, let's believe in the lies that came from le retard du Vox Akuma's mouth in the fucking black stream hitpiece... Retard
>>88914987Almost like sisters could learn a thing or two, but they won't.
>>88915577Yeah Anycolor fucking sucks and fumbled the bag hard. But being upset that Anycolor didn’t properly screen Selen for mental health issues is a retard argument to make
>>88915803I only made the argument because people like to go "WELL HER FAULT *INSERT REASON HERE* so I return it with something even more asinine that holds only a kernel of truth within the retarded answer.
>>88908390its gang beasts you only need 1 pov anyway
>>88915853>I was only pretending to be retardedI accept your concession
>>88915934And you come to the reality of these threads: anyone can say anything.
>>88915393if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck
>>88915997You don't watch her. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>88915868who are the lots of people?
>>88916304these ones prob:>>88909176
>>88914148kek poor sisters,go on queen you tell them!!
>>88913651on skibidi?
>>88913966That's false equivalence anon, they weren't trying to ruin her life, they were trying to end it
>>88916649Doki can’t even end her own life, what makes you think they would be able to?
>>88917084they sure tried their best, but as with all things niji, they failed terribly
>>88917084killing yourself isn't THAT hardif she tried twice and still failed, she wasn't serious
>>88917530Have you ever tried?
>>88917530Prove it!
so from the last few post /here/the only party that really cared about vspo en collabing with the black stream unit are the baboons and the sister. these nig even forget this thread abt vspo en collabo choice kek.
>>88917530It can be to be honest - if you live in a country without easy access to firearms, and you don't want to involve some third party (like throwing yourself in front of traffic/a train) then a lot of other methods aren't really fool-proof. When I was young I took an overdose of sleeping pills (standard dose was 25mg and I took two full packs so about 1800mg) and all that happened was I just went on a pretty scary trip and randomly walked around my city thinking I was phasing between dimensions. There was no actual damage done - other than me breaking my wrist at some point during the time I was high.
>>88918754Does Canada have easy access to firearms?
>>88917530Go and show her how is done, nigger.
>>88917530Record a demonstration for us sister
>>88908390W H O M S T ?
>>88918638Nah, the botchi and the sisters are trying to derail the thread because the truth was already exposed in >>88909176. They're trying to hide their collab partners. The sisters are defending her organs because they want to be accepted again and this is a handy opportunity.
>>88908390>>88908882male collabthe beginning of the end of her career
>>88917530It's only easy if you have a gun. otherwise, you're risking ending up in a vegetative state
>>88919751Context?
>>88919746What fucking unicorns are watching VSPO? I think the main issue is Elira - if you're a unicorn that watches VSPO then you're fucking retarded.
>>88909176BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!I literally can't think of a worse collab to be part of
>>88919894I'm a unicorn, youtube was recommending me her stream so I watched a bit and almost subbed.Good thing I didn't now I'm blocking her.
>>88919847wym context? it's the collab that this thread was made about
>>88919746the male in that is the least of the problems
Retards who still trying to derail this to unicorns are just nijisisters right?
>>88919847joined VSPO to skip VTA and infiltrate niji
>>88920139>anyone I don’t like is a nijisister
>>88909176Changing it after putting the original schedule up was retarded. Either cancel it or leave it up and ignore people, doing a half measure like this only Streisand effected things and made clear you know its a bad look enough to try and hide it, but your still going ahead with it anyway.
Based luca.Keep doing what you do, king.
>>88910361>>88913930/vt/- virtual theologians
>>88911694>she likes her a lot for who knows what reasonmy guess would be the hoyoslop, narin's pl streamed a ton of genshin/star rail
>>88919936So you're saying this collab was completely voluntary and there was no coercion to bring these girls to collab with the niji organs unlike what >>88909500 is implying? Wow
im writing to my congressman about my opposition to this collab
>>88920294Well the Vatican has a cute anime girl representing it now, won't be long before they make it into a vtuber. The collab between the official Vatican chuuba, the Eastern Orthodox chuuba, and the Protestant chuuba will have wild threads.