You will stay up in case I space, right? editionSchedules:https://holodex.net/?org=EIEN%20Projecthttps://pomu.pages.dev/eiex>Who we areEkkomori: Loud GFE, horror games, music, ASMR.https://www.youtube.com/@ekkomorihttps://x.com/ekkomoriiAmora Lumina: Silly noblewoman, speedrunning, drawing.https://www.youtube.com/@AmoraLuminahttps://twitter.com/AmoraLuminahttps://x.com/pinedearFerumiKaipa: Unhinged tomboy, indie games, retro games.https://youtube.com/@FerumiKaipaChhttps://x.com/FerumiKaipaSkye Shinryu: Dorky mecha fan, action games, zatsu, drawing.https://www.youtube.com/@SkyeShinryuhttps://twitter.com/SkyeShinryuNemo Nevermore: Comfy girl, League, Animal Crossing, Halo.https://www.youtube.com/@NemoNevermorehttps://x.com/NemoNevermore_Mirri Saffire: Energetic girl, horror games, drawing.https://www.youtube.com/@MirriSaffirehttps://twitter.com/MirriSaffirehttps://x.com/PrawnStarItsiBlaise Shinryu: Ironic weeb, action games, Nier.https://www.youtube.com/@BlaiseShinryuhttps://twitter.com/BlaiseShinryuhttps://x.com/ShinkaiStationCunnieHoehttps://www.twitch.tv/cunnieho (embed)https://x.com/CunnieHoe>What it wasKilia Kurayami [Graduated 2024-09-08]https://www.youtube.com/@KiliaKurayamihttps://twitter.com/KiliaKurayamiZumi Dokumi [Graduated 2024-11-02]https://www.youtube.com/@ZumiDokumihttps://twitter.com/ZumiDokumiNanimo Navi [Graduated 2024-11-02]https://www.youtube.com/@NanimoNavihttps://twitter.com/NanimoNavi>The EIEN Archiveshttps://pastebin.com/sqSG3yDN (embed)> EIEX girlshttps://rentry.co/eiexPrevious thread: >>89247679
>>89266712Anon ekko fixed her schedule, she goes to sleep relatively early now so no, i will go to sleep
>>89266796Her spaces are normaly at 3am because that's bogland early morning
Remember back in the good old days of early /eien/ when we only baked when there was an upcoming stream?
>>89266904Good times. Now anons feel the need to always have a thread up even though we don't have streams... can't even use the skye excuse anymore
>>89267002anons going parasocial for each other so they need a thread up
Commission Lapynne
>>89267300Once again, maybe later when schizos aren't over analyzing every former talent
Navi and Zumi last mental health break was due to the stress accumulated from eienBlaise first break was around 1 or 3 days long as she had been streaming daily, from there she proceeded to stick to 4 streams or more per week instead of the guaranteed daily streams, she had another low on consistency earlier this year as her grandma diedMirri cancelled a whole week of streaming after getting upset because the game wouldn't start (info might need some clearing up) and got triggered by reading the word trauma in chatSkye had at least two long breaks I can remember, both caused by the stress of streaming (and maybe bts stuff too)Did Amora take breaks?
I miss Kilia
>>89267758Go to sleep tattle tail
>>89267300To draw Amora!
>>89267107Always was, once everything settles there will be good times.
>>89267679navi went on mental health break and a vacation. amora went on vacation, so did kilia
The only one that never took breaks is KIKI
>>89267876>so did kiliaDidn't bother with this one because we all know threadshitters would make everyone know she was on break
>>89267907didn't she take a month off after her donothon to be with her dear or w/e
Those Ferumi and Nemo tweets sure got a lot of attention
Ruby love
>>89268057Twitter loves drama
I wonder why Nemo's tweets and youtube seem to catch the algo better than Ferumi's. It's like a 180 from when they were in eien.
>>89268057I wish I wasn't so cynical because it's hard for me not to suspect the repeated emotional tweets are just engagement farming from drama
>>89268325Ferumi's maybe
>>89268270Bad channel seed, she should restart
>>89268191Youtube too. Nemo's vod has seen an increase of views since her tweets.
>>89268270She has a great design now. Ferumi's PL design/art is pretty bad. The sooner she can get even a simple WIP sketch pinned from her new artist with the new design+art the better.
>>89267679Amora took off on vacation and one or two health breaks... I guess they're technically mental health breaks because they were migraines?
Blase went 3D
>>89268325It's likely a mix of sincere emotional venting and engagement farming off the back of their misfortune. Which is something anyone who isn't a retard could see as valid.
>>89268610OH DANG>face will be censoredshe ugly lol
>>89268610Blaisu chama...this is what she wanted to do all along
>>89268851This is from Blaise's own twitter jannies, don't snipe our boy anon herehttps://x.com/BlaiseShinryu/status/1855775506043719828
>>89268851i figure she just picked the first thing she thought would look cutesy and threw it on but i am sure there are more things that she could wear better and even the photograph could be doner better
>>89268270they read this post...
>>89268899Anon defending me made my heart go doki doki...just a bit though
>>89268678It's certainly valid and this whole industry is built around engagement farming so I can hardly blame them, especially when you're trying to break out of 2view territory. I'll always appreciate the chuubas that are down to earth and don't bother with any of that though (bat).
>>89268978I would hold your hand and interlock fingers if you let me
>>89268851this is gay to say but what's wrong with her hair
>>89268851>>89268899>>89268978you two should edate
>>89269043sounds kinda gay
>>89269119bleached but hasn't been bleached again in awhile so her natural hair color is mixed into the roots
>>89269119dry too, what happens when you keep messing with your hair color she has a picture up with a beautiful pink tone from having her hair just done
Meanwhile
>>89268899>I won't show my faceBut it will be easy to find out once you start making more irl content at conventions for example
>>89268976I'm pretty sure ferumi is /here/ but I really hope nemo isn't, I don't think she has the correct temperament for egosearching /vt/
>>89269374More frequent meltdowns would be funny
>>89269028>down to earthyou mean cowardly?
>>89269355this is the kind of thing you keep to yourself until AFTER you secure the bagbut also I think the face thing is just to keep a pinch of mystery so that vtubing still makes sense
>>89269458bait used to be believable
>>89269193I won't complain if you don't either
Was bad rei also showing her body like this? I wonder if she's bored of being a normal vtuber now, maybe she feels like it's too limiting
>>89268976What makes you say this
>>89269374Everyone except Skye and Amora has all but admitted to reading the threads since booting up their new identities
>>89269566she'll fail as an object of desire no matter what form she takes
>>89269566Said this before but there are mentions of a face reveal on the archives
>>89269593their twitter posts within minutes of that post
Itsi went the whole stream without talking to R*z once
im afucking whore. astupid touch starved unwashed ugly whore that so pathetic online men lusting after me calling me cute is the only way i ever will be happy. back home and i still think of your kind words. this is the kinda whore ive come to be. i want to bewanted and i want to give what little i have to you. take my heart take my soul and cherish it. caress me in you mind and let it envelop every inch of you.i may be tge worst kind of whore but i am yours
>>89269697Ferumi thanking who found her and Nemo QRT that? It's cute that at least they are trying to help each other out
Imagine being a vtuber and unironically reading this dump of a thread
>>89269733I was watching the stream, she read his messages plenty of times
Blaise cute
>>89269739I want to post the right things that will make you happy so we are in the same fucked up boat
>>89269757EIEN and /eien/ deserved each other.
>>89269757We've had way worse threads
>>89269757It has its moments, you know them when you see them https://streamable.com/bz5y9k
>>89269757Blaise has been particularly hostile towards her fans from day one so she'd have to expect pushback.
>>89269119She's a disheveled NEET lady trying to look cute.
>>89269697coincidence imo
Blaise...
>>89269739weird rp, can you at least tell us which girl you're pretending to be?
My thoughts for Ferumi remain the same as my thoughts for Zumi. I wish I could do more for her...
>>89268851>filenameBlaise...
>>89270089im a britard with bpd and its not a joke im really this fucked up
>>89269649Looked up seems like it was accidental and nobody posted it
>>89269996you just know she's a gross disheveled mess whenever she's not posing for a camera or at a con
Blaise took the /vag/ pill, who is next
>>89269602Source?
>>89270170do you own any thigh length socks?
>>89270225Schizophrenia
>>89270170okay I thought you were pretending to be one of the chuubaswhy exactly do you think /eien/ is the correct place to vent
>>89270226do you want me to?
>>89270225They all have talked about "things being said about them" that were literally only being talked about in these threads. Around the time of the leaks during eiens final week.
Remember back in the good old days of early /eien/ when kichains were raped on sight
>>89270214It's only okay if you're making straight up coom content.
>>89269645This is fake actually
I can't believe there are still some anons in denial about the girls being /here/
>>89270389as a Haven newfag, I can't even imagine what Kichains were like before Kiki was disgraced
Hi blaise, just fapped to your irl pic. Next. Post another one for me.
>>89270418they NEED it to be true
>>89270418I can imagine one or two not being /here/ but the bulk of them is
Amora isn't here
Show of hands, which of you are one of the girls?
>>89270389Back in my day Kichains used to be the fuckable fanbase
>>89270461https://x.com/BlaiseShinryu/status/1837684616548786521this is the good one, her right leg shows she is either wearing shorts or on her undies
>>89269523discord?
>>89269119Jewish
>>89270578holy shit
>>89270582will you send a tribute?
>>89270521I might be a girl but not one of the girls
>>89270566So what were Britards like then?
>>89270748What do you think of that one Britard?
>>89270748Post hand
>>89270345thigh high socks make any healthy man diamonds, especially when the girl is soft enough for there to be skindentation
>>89270815But I'm..... Not....
>>89270578That first picture is perfect
>>89270731If you ask nicely, sure.
>>89270759>>89270566Kichains were brats who tried to get you horny so you would lose during nofaps. With britards it was more like something in the air made anons sexually aggressive towards them, and that whatever in the air has started to seep into /eiex/ and skyelights are starting to look scrumptious
>>89270872Not a girl, or not soft? We can work around both...
What the fuck is this thread
>>89270944mental illness
We've returned to our roots
>>89270944We are frogs, and they've put chemicals in our water, it's over.
>>89270944What's wrong with it?
>>89270939not a girl but also what do you mean soft?
Is Ekko gonna debut this year or in 2025?
Nemo is in such a good mood she's playing league...
im drinking rasbery kifir rn but i wish it was your cum
>>89271093Tattle Tail [forma de literal]... League is like junk food, you play it when you need comfort, so things must be going poorly
>>89270578I'm not that into feet but something about women posting their feet is hot because you know they're dropping any pretenses of not just posting that to turn men on
>>89271062She said most likely after the new year, she may do some tests streams though. Given that she asked for another change to her ears I'm guessing it's gonna take a while
>>89271062Next year
>>89270944Getting weird tonight
>>89271158Wait i'm actually a tattle tail...
>>89271062next year, please buy her voicepacks
>>89271054he means thicc thighs and you can't really achieve that as a guy without ending up with a bunch of fat everywhere else because men distribute fat differently
>>89271159Feet are whatever, but you have a whole ass leg there. Yes porn is free and plenty but there is something about it being a vtuber that makes it better.
tattle tails...
>>89271258hrt is a thing, but I doubt anon is on it
>>89271145what time are you on
>>89271262It's the parasocial aspect, it's the exact same as how it's more of a turnon to receive nudes from someone you're friends with or dating
>>89271258my legs are pretty strong
>>89271405I love you because you fucking get it.
>>89271384darling im never truely off
>>89270748Post hands or at least a vocaroo
Any @@wamen here????
>>89270944Time portal to March 2023
>>89271488What happened to that retard that would go around the board posting his discord id with a long ass message about looking for any females in this board, he would always get banned on sight but kept coming back
>Think that thread will need to be bumped through out the night>2 hours in and it's halfway to bump limitI'm enjoying the show, quite gay, but damn are we burning through this one
>>89271440I'm never going to get a woman irl to send me nudes because I'm socially retarded but at least anime girls online can fill that void
Can you at least congratulate her
do you think ekko will rub her clit to the sight of this much boy love material
anon never posted their discord...
Thinking about the time Blaise went topless to a convention with pasties on
>>89271693I don't have a Discord but I'll tell you here that I'm proud of you.
>>89271745Cause he was larping what did you think was gonna happen, he's not actually gay
>>89271727we have a responsibility to pretend to be as gay as possible to make our oshis happy
Amora was the angel numbers poster from last year
>>89271786i think i just want love and im starting to not care if its from a man or woman. you want me to make a discord?
feels like shibi is here
>>89271951cottontail?
>>89271865you are not going to find love talking to schizos on 4chan
>>89271985she's a tattle tail
>>89270888YkdsNGIzSjFZUT09
>>89271985no wait its cottonbaum
>>89271758One more mess up from her, instead of what she posted she should have gone with something riskier, not to this level but still.
What kind of maros were you guys sending Blaise
>>89272000what if i talk over discord then
>>89271777uuuh that is twitter?
>>89272097what do you mean?
>>89272136i am very stupid and i have neither hold on a sex
>>89272214>sexwith a britard
>>89271758Still can't believe she told that story and not a single Ryubie commissioned art of her in the outfit she described. Ryubies must be the most unironically homosexual fanbase. Would explain all the femryubies.
>>89272097Why do you ask?
>>89272413we broke nigga
>>89271786>he's not actually gaynot against rp ing and being nice to people
>>89272671i strongly believe i could be pan or demi at this point
>>89272774ig pan would fit me too then
what should my x handle/username be?
>>89272956Britardlicious
Enjoy being gae. Time to sleep bye
>>89271745I'm waiting
>>89272020can I add you too...
>>89273485sure
Blaise will now abandon shinkai station.....
I wonder if they got cold feet or were just teasing
https://x.com/BlaiseShinryu/status/1855815300480135187
>>89274477why even bother with the emoji at that point
grim
>>89274477>tfw no vtuber cosplayer girlfriend to buy cosplay forbad end
>>89273997to be honest I tried to log into my discord alt to add you but it asked for phone verification so I couldn't do much, sorry
>>89274741
>>89273997what should my twitter/x name (NOT my username/handle I already chose Britardlicious) be?
>>89275145change your name right now before you dox yourself
>>89275230think im safe
>>89275145slutgayanon
>>89275405it just BRIRIRIRIRIRI rn because i panic
>>89275230>>89275319I miss to understand how would that be doxxing>>89275519adorable
>what no streams does to a mf
>>89275575because the default is the name of your email which i didnt think to make a dedicated one for but is good now email is private
>>89269739Gumpai, is that you?
>>89275878i fucking wish
being british and a faggot can't imagine a fate worse than that my god
>>89275912anons having fun
>>89275980don't care faggots like him should feel shame
>>89275912american but my writting style is influenced partially by my state of mind
>>89276067look, there was a ton of vitriol and rrating and somehow the thread turning gay killed all that I see that as a win
>Blaise fleshposts>anons would rather go gay with eachother
>>89276067he should feel my cock between his ass cheeks
>>89276166fag
>>89276140Kek
>>89276140It's literally one anon getting trolled, if he knew better he'd leave the thread and visit a dating discord or something
>>89276140i dont wanna take away time that should be spent jorking it to her so please dont forget to show her love
I used advanced AI to figure out what Blaise looks like.
>>89270944Ghosts of /Vrev/ found a new home. Or I guess old home
>>89272413I don't think they're gay, just brokies. Buoys were gay
>>89276824>brokiesWhat is this?
>>89277027Broke ass niggas
>>89277253You lost me, no idea what any of that means
>>89271093I thought she is streaming. I kinda missed her League streams, same with Kilia
https://x.com/BlaiseShinryu/status/1855825860567462383
>>89277377Pass
>>89277377oh that's receding
>>89277377Please spoiler these. Or ideally don't post them at all
>gay posting stops>anons go back to being assholesfood for thought
>bad rei
>>89278002eat this*grabs dick*
pinedear is very patient and calm when she teaches bri hollow knight. i really enjoy them both and hope to see more interaction between them.
>>89278110kyaaa
please do not larp as me
>>89278002men online are assholes because they're sexually frustrated, anyone could tell you that
>>89278530when a man is more menhera than a woman
If gayposting is moving here ugh I guess /VReX/ must be super dead by now. How are those girls doing anyway?
>>89278615always have been
>>89278173she's enjoying a little bit of S play making someone do what she wants
>>89278530The real reason half of /v/ is just "They made Lara Croft's boobs smaller or "her chin is too sharp" threads.
>>89278666satan... it is pretty gay there still
the degree of panic i had fighting some of these bastards in hollow knight holy shit
If I blew a fat load to anons being gay I bet ekko will squirt while reading the thread
>>89278836Cool, but why am I satan?
>>89279251check your post number
>>89279251trips (last 3 didgits)
>>89279318>>89279333Wow
Animal Crossing?
>>89279542Dead and buried
>>89279649You don't play it?
>>89279682Don't care for it
>>89279814I gotcha. How about Stardew Valley?
It's not fair. Why did Eien overcharge Zumi for her model?
>>89279903let me ask them brb
Backreading the thread is anon getting or not the thigh length socks
wearing a pair of grippy socks i kept from one of my psych hospital stays
>>89281321>One ofHow many stays so far
if i was staff at the psych ward i would have sexually abused this little whore briitard so much actively make them worse for my own pleasure
>>89282640they were each short stays because i felt like i had to be back home so my mom doesnt stress with me being there. no more than 7 i guess.
>>89283017i wanna know every depraved thought racing through ypur mind
>>89283035>because i felt like i had to be back home so my mom doesnt stressThat is very sweet and thoughtful of you, that is all I can offer, some nice words.
>>89283229i want to bite you tie you up jerk you off to completion edge you mostly fantasizing about tying you up to the bed so i have free access to you and just toy with it for a few days not letting you finish and admiring it whenever i want still debating if i would sodomize you but i definetly want to use the mouth
so this pne time, i went to psych hospital because self punished by beating my arm with a metal rod. i did it because i had thrown something without realizing at my mom. it didnt hurt her but i was angry at myself for what i thought made her scared.do you still want me?
>>89283999i went into public walking as every 7th step i would strike my arm
>>89283999im so turned on right now it is not like you did it on purpose or like you didnt care do you want to be treated nicely or used
We went back to the ERP arc faster than I thought
>>89284134you can use me but please dont physically harm me, unless maybe passionate face slaps when im sucking you or when my ass gets pounded
>>89284168ireallyfuclingNEED IT
>>89284210i might bite your lip but i would never draw bloodbut i will really force my dick into your throat
>>89284168>Burger hours anons had a gay orgy>Night shift anons backread and get freaky tooMakes sense...?
>>89284303i want you to put your hands around the back of my head while my mouth engolfs your cock, forcing me to not have air until every drop of your cum is extracted, tears of eccatsy dripping fown my face.
>>89284397i can't believe how much i am dripping right now all of it just for you i need to fuck that cute face of yours really make a mess of it and then milk you while you lay on all fours
>>89271171she really knows how to edge her buoys
stop rping you fags i'm already dry from jerking off to that fat cow anon posted earlier
>>89284518i know the plushies might ruin the mood a little (not even my fav animal it just what i had atm) also that yes i need a cute wig but this is for you.https://litter.catbox.moe/1v1inu.jpg
>>89284524Milk their wallets* Her actions are not a labor of love, but a monument to greed. Even within the stablished understanding of this being a business the balance has been broken for too long now, she just takes and takes with little to offer in return. She even has an upstanding debt to their fans from her time as Kilia, debt that was pardoned under the pretense she was done with vtubing, but alas she had preparing her return for more than 6 months by then.
i really hate my forehead i probably ruined our relationship with that post
>>89284673now the question is if i finish in your mouth or on your face the plushies will have to watch too unless that is off limits
>>89284800i pull you in closer and suck faster with being desperate for your cum to pour down my throat i love the taste and smell so much its almost like i want it to replace needing to drink water i love you darling give it all to me
i buy them from here btwhttps://auroragift.com/
>>89284889good boy leaving no mess behind i need to rest hope i have a wet dream of this
>>89285041can i ask something?
everyone is so distracted by the gays roleplaying that they won't notice I think ferumi is cute
>>89285066yes
eien did irreversible damage to me.
Thinking about her...
>>89285163first i want you to give me a name because im your pet
i also wish to know my masters name
Oh damn you guys went the GAY gay route, huhAlso, why is it always Britards
So Eri isn't going to redebut?...
You know what would boost your confidence even more Blaise? Sexy cosplay and maybe even porn. You can start small it's fine
i wanna be your doggy
>>89285109Faggot
what a ride
I woke up and the Skyelight isn't in my bed, awful day
>>89292494will you be happy with me instead?
>>89279903Zumi herself has said she doesn't really know why management hated her pretty much the entire time she was at eien
>>89288722Not likely as "Eri",
>>89292576Who's your oshi
>>89292871Zumi is just easy to hate
>>89293016im the britard farm earlier
>>89293261That'll work, hop in
>>89293074Anon, this was a corpo that had Mirri and Blaise in it
>>89293324*snuggles tightly against your warm body (i hope your warm if not ill make you warmer) and runs my hand gently thruou your hair as i glance cheerfuly into your eys
>>89293409I absolve Blaise
>>89294285She needs to do gura with no shoes and hot shorts
Blaise needs to post pictures of her 2B cosplay. Let me see that white ass
>>89293261did you get kicked out from your thread?
>>89293409Eri realized she hates the boston accent
Ahhh
>>89296793>thinking she would do something people might like
>>89298396People who weren't homosexual liked her feet pictures.
>>89298899I don't like feet in general
>>89298951Unlucky
>>89298951Me neither but it was pretty hot nonetheless
>>89284673>>89284800>>89284889>>89285041Grown men btw.
Cute
>>89269739Good girl.
>>89299629tbf, it would be disturbing for children to type these
angel singhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhD3kl2s0ko
>>89294285You're trying to make her explode and fly across the room? Go for it
>>89301449Cute
>>89301449Mother and daughter remain together
>>89301341Emotionally they are children, thoughever
https://www.youtube.com/live/qQBpC6glHBM?si=D0ZJV0TayOITHAJ1
>>89301865She wants the 'gamer' audience...
>>89301449Why is this in related videos...
>>89302157Anon, your algorithm...
My very own gothlolibatwife
Blaise is cute and based
Blaisex and blaised
>>89302515This is too parasocial for me. I'm not telling a woman how to tidy her goon cave.
Blaise will bear my children.
>>89302684She will make a good mother
Between the fake Blaise praise and gay posting, this thread is becoming unbearable
>>89302969becoming?
>>89302213based
>>89302969Blaise is cute though
>>89302969This is unfortunately the highest quality this thread has been in months
>>89302969You are just jealous, ekko
>>89302990Yes. It is actively worse than it's already poor state. It's that bad
>>89302969I prefer it to the hate posts, we should become like vrev
>>89303150this unironically
theres no way anyone with a functioning brain thinks ekko has anything to be jealous of blaise about fucking kekblaise is "we got kilia at home" tier
>>89302515Blaise.....
eiex is healing pine singing nemo in a fewblaise kindac cute on x ngl
>>89303295grim
>>89303295Time to find her sex toy
>>89303272It wasn't even a competition before, Blaise really upped her game since Eien died already. Maybe Eri was forcing her to make shit content?
>>89303272You think nobody remembers how fast Kilia did a handcam no gloves after Blaise showed her beautiful porcelain hands with long red nails? And Kilia still lost
Now Kilia needs to post a full body pic
Here we go again
>>89303295that's not too bad, she just needs to spend a little effort making places for stuff and discipline to stick to using themtidy the shelf so it can hold more of the random booksget a toybox for all the random plushies and stuffclothes binezpz
>>89303295Blaise...
>>89303179I don't want to be a dead general that only survives with gayposting. I would rather be dead
To me it looks like anons are the insecure ones, there wasn't a need to bring ekko up
>>89303474hateposting is the lifeblood of this thread like /pkg/
>>89303474Their threads are comfy if you ignore the gay posting
Her room is cleaner than mine
>>89303295bwaise...
>>89303669cute
>>89303525you are mistaken pkg has not much hate posting it has a permaonline retard who will pick a sentence and spam it every time someone gets postedone of the girls made an ending stream joke and thread theorized maybe someone walked in on her? now if you mention her he posts -she will get walked in on by her bf- same girl says hi to a nijimale on chat? -she will get walked in on by nijimale- and he will do that for every single post of hers, that thread is a dumpster fire because it has a single retard littering on it dailyan equivalent would be everytime rumi gets posted replying to it with -she will have a flare up and cancel- it is of the lowest quality
>>89303295Cute girlfailure dork confirmed.
>>89303295First steps would be to completely empty the room and paint the walls white. Colors like that get boring after a few months.
>>89304028Kill yourself, colored walls are based.
>>89303364Her new manager (also Blaise) knows what we want
>>89304069>>89304069Next Thread
Weird thread
>>89304319One for the records at least
>>89304098>Extend>>89304319the whole history of this thread's an alternate universe and I will not be convinced otherwise