Why do vshojofags hate "idols" so much?They're reacting to simple and innocuous words like "senpai" like a Vampire would react to a cross. Some even balk at anything japanese which is ironic considering the context of vtubing as a medium.Do they think they are immune to parasocialism by not adhering to idol culture? Are they vtubing's analog for the ironic weebs you see in anime fandom?
>>89540730They're afraid
>>89540730very subtle squatter.
>>89540730because idols don't stream OP, just look at gura
Idk if this is some ongoing drama or grudgepost that I'm not privy to, but the shit in your pic just seems to me like tribalfaggotry."my tribe not like idols, idol tribe bad!"imo, tribalfaggotry in any form is cancer.
How can you still hate idols after the absolute kino that Suisei delivered yesterday and is gonna deliver the next 2 months.
They are literally twitch immigrants who only come here because there are vtubers. They're the kind of person to say>heh the average 4channer is a fat 40yo pedophile who lives with his momTo which I would say I am not 40!
>>89540989yea, you must be pushing 50 these days
>>89540730is this in /vsj+/???
>>89541103Why is this fag spamming this in every single thread?
>>89540767.
>>89540730vcucks are vermin simple as that, they are wanna be normies and think "le idol culture is le cringe"
>>89540730"But if you're all into that slavery stuff, VTubing will be over in 5 years."it is kson prophecy, if they follow this Japanese slavery route, tubing will end.
>>89541104i was also in there being super enthusiastic about all the things in the OP but of course he cropped me outtruly I suffer the mostt. vshojo+holo fan
>>89541103Holyshit it's the mental illness
>>89540730tourists who think veibae talking about birthing chunks of vagina meat into the toilet is good content
>>89541103You left
>>89540730I watch vshojo and I want more "idolshit". The good times are upon us, haters BTFO
>>89540833places like holo leverage the strengths of the box.even if someone isn't streaming you can tune into someone else, and a lot of holofags are hako-oshi DDs.looking at raid retention stats for when holos raid other holos is also very elucidating, alot more people stay compared to when twitch streamers raid other twitch streamers. the environment is a huge appeal I think.Sure, this isn't necessarily applicable to idol focused boxes alone but it's a perfect fit for them since other talents will cover for girls that are doing non-stream activities
People deny it, but the whole "talent freedom" and anti-holo rhetoric that vshojo used to peddle back in the day molded the sort of people that compose their core audience, even if they've toned down that shit bigly.So to answer your question it's basically tribalism mated with insecurity
There's another thread on this? well I'll post here too that I think Vshojo is doing the right thing imo. They see shit like this and they want to do similar things, they want to reach new audiences (especially considering it's an entirely different audience in japan with different wants and needs).I guess the core audience of ironic weebs is getting alienated in the process though, but I think it's inane. I doubt JPs doing their own thing will affect how the english speaking Vshojos act in any way whatsoever
>>89541323this
>>89541492lets be real, they'll be phase jp tier
>>89541588That already will be a huge success for them, considering that VShojo has 0 presence in Japan.Kson is basically an indie, and Henya is EN.
>>89541329The best example was Kazuki's clip channel, even if Ame is not streaming, he can still get Ame content from other girls mentioning her.
>>89541082>passive aggressionLOW T
>>89540730>Why do vshojofags hate "idols" so much?I'd get a global 3-day for "racism" if I honestly answered your question.
>>89541643>Kson is basically an indieAnon there's a shitload of JP indies that mog her viewsCalling her an indie is insulting to indies
>>89541249To be entirely fair Veibae and nyanners are no longer there, it's just all the other shitters like froot and kshit who still are.
>>89541588Pico-chan is quite popular because of her GTA streams.
>>89541777>777a hint, if you will
>>89541801This. Also mouse.
>>89540730vtuber in the west is a mistakevtuber on twitch is a mistakevshitshow is the biggest mistake
>>89540730I’m not sure whether to call you a faggot for lurking a thread you hate or call /vsj+/ faggots for actually seething about this, so i’m just gonna say you both faggots
>>89540730Are they retarded or do they just hate Japan
>>89542203Both
>>89541777trips of truth but anon sacrifice going to your router and answer the question
>>89542291777 is a holy Christian number, anon, it's not just trips. that's the hint.
How are those child models they are seething about
>>89540730Some of these people definitely made attempts on Nov 5th. kek
>>89540730>”I can’t be parasocial if I don’t like idol culture”>*watches 8 hr streams everyday*>*watchers sleepathons*No really this is how they think. I’ve seen plenty of vshojo fags, my friend included, that think they aren’t being parasocial like the YouTube Corpos while the fuckers watches streams all day and I get lucky if I get a stream
>>89544199Sorry that you don't get streams.
>>89544396It’s fine, it lets me keep my past hobby I had before Vtubers
>>89540730I quite like how they're more removed from the whole parasocial phenomenon than most.
>>89544626Glad you have some other hobby away from your computer.>>89543879I like em.
>>89540730this is what people mean when they say twitch vtubing is a cargo cult. as in, they idolize the -idea- of vtubing but don't know what it actually is or more important why/how it actually works. it's name after tribal islanders who built effigies of airplanes and worshipped them after seeing them. they found the idea of a flying device neat if not divine but were far away from understanding how / why it works and what it actually does. vtubing is by its inherent nature of being a buddy for you to watch and talk to online, parasocial. for it to not be would need someone to not talk to the audience and maybe not even use an avatar etc in which case they become just another streamer.
>>89544199that's just a twitchsubhuman thing in generaleven for streamers of the same sex, with no romantic shit involved, the relationship is ABSOLUTELY fucking parasocial to the highest degree, they fucking worship those dudes
>>89541406this.they're the "not like the other girls" of vtuber fans
>>89541406>anti-holo rhetoricThe only ones who ever used anti-holo rhetoric were Veibae before she joined and Silvervale after she left.
>>89545823yeah, but they still have an effect on the culture of the demographic they left behind, is what I'm saying
>>89540730Twitch "vtubers" are basically fleshstreamers with anime avatars. Twitch "vtuber" fans are just fleshstreamer fans. They hate anything remotely weeb, especially things like idol culture makes them seethe so much.
>>89540730damn dude, you really camped their general caring what they think? that’s beta kek just use your tampon next time
Vshojo fans are all western trannoids. They would rather have a bunch of literal troons as their talents than cute girl jpop idol group.And they are doing what trannies do best. Try to infiltrate a hobby, take over, and then make fun of it.
your whole personality can't just be 'not hololive'
>>89541777
>>89547437your whole personality can't just be 'hating the west'
>>89548360>twitch whores are 'the west'apply yourself
>>89547654the face of /#/
>>89548571You calling Pikamee a whore now?
>>89548705she's always been a japanese vtuber thohow can anyone have any drama against pikamee
>>89548804numberislandoids hate her for not being in hololivewhen henya debuted their king bvtm posted a "meme" about how he wanted to stuff her in a box and set the box on fire, burning her alivepersonally i think they should all die in a big tornado of some sort
>>89548884now I can think of some subhuman behaviorbut caring, much less reading what some dramafag brownoids on twitter have to say might just be below that
>>89548804You just called twitch streamers whores?
>>89548963they're the majority of the holo fanbase these days so it's pretty hard to avoid seeing them
>>89549028that's a logical extreme my man, there's thousands of regular non-schizophrenics for every 1 number monkey>>89549024not my oshi, he would never
>>89540730i knew "talent freedom" faggots were racists against the japanese, but weird that they like the corpo where the CEO is a flip
>>89549207What a strange thing to say
>>89549289hafus don't count as Japanese by their standards.>their=JP people or vshojotards?yes.
>>89549197depressed nousagi has >100k subscribers if there's "thousands" of normal holofans for each monkey then there's over 200 million normal holofans
>>89549416You're supposed to keep the goalposts where they are
>>89549445you can ask Henya how much bullying she got for the "crime" of not being fully Japanese.
>>89540730>why do trannies hate things that healthy men and women like?Because they're jealous and its easier to attack those successful than to improve themselves
>>89549559Certainly wasn't from the vshojo community
>>89540730vshojocucks aren't humans, they are literal cuckolds. who cares what they think? I'm mostly legit appalled and disgusted that i have to be on the same board as them. Wish they'd all just fuck off to their cuckoldcord
>>89540989here are your average pedoes>>89546512
>>89549443nah, that's all botsi dun fucking know what kinda numbers dramafag channels do, like whaddya want from me
>>89549655You can't be a cuckold unless you are dating someone
>>89540730>Nowhere is safe irl anymoreWhy are vshojofags so melodramatic?
>>89549609remind me where is the previous JP member? alienated and left? yeah.
>>89540730>setting grudgeposts and flasflags at SEA hours in a vshojo threadthis has all the symptoms of it
>>89540730twitchfags aren't into vtubing, they hate everything about the otaku culture/lig/ is the same
>>89549812It's called bait
>>89540730Actual /vsj+/ poster hereThe reason is because, since its inception, there has been no notion of seniority within VShojo.Which is by design, as there are no official "waves" or "generations" or groups within the roster. Everyone is individual and are placed on equal ground.Nova is different, and while some people in /vsj+/ think using groups in JP is the right move, it does run counter to the individualist mentality that has been embedded in the company's identity since 2020.Also because it's a Western company with a majority EN fanbase, it's kinda cringe to be using a bunch of Japanese words and phrases.Places like HoloEN only get away with it because the parent company is Japanese.
>>89549835Anon hates vshojo so much he started defending Rushia.
>>89549835A language barrier is not racism
>>89547654>average holofag>>89549663>average vedalfagMy understanding of this board deepens.
>>89549873>Actual /vsj+/ poster here>reddit spacingkys
>>89549974t. 2016 rat
>>89549974>noooooooo you can't format your post for better readability!!!Shut up faggotPeople have written posts like this before you were born
Meanwhile:https://youtu.be/jos-puWVqj4?t=1376
>>89549892well, your corpo is worse than a cat murderer. there, I said it.
>>89547654erm
>>89550070Call Adin Ross
>>89546720If he just made a post just saying it happened, you would've asked for proof.
>>89550101>3dpd>maleyou're on the wrong board
>>89549974>immediately diverts attention to hating phasenice try sister, but stay on topic
>>89540730“Idol culture” is just an excuse to be xenophobic towards elements of Japanese pop culture.
Sure is weird that when I look at actual /vsj+/ posts and not the falseflags you posted specifically for your faggy bvtmbait screenshot I see posts like this>>89549699>>89550010
>>89547654I like how this board makes fun of SEA but compared to them, Mutts are like turbo ironic weebs and most of them only know about the most mainstream shit ever. SEA basically grew up on anime.
>>89549873>make a jp gen>don't give them any jp identitybro learned nothing from nazuna and kson
>>89550482>we are the real weeb, saars
>uses a clearly anime style model, but talking a few japanese words is too much
>>89550439VShojofags here are becoming like the holofags on reddit, where you can't talk about anything negative about the company because they will ruin the vibe or call anyone who does a dramafag.How did this happen?
>>89540730OP is a faggot that didn't screenshot all the people shitting on the Zenposter (read the replies) >>89533006
>>89550795>grrr ok so they don't hate loli but that's bad too!holy tribalfag
>>89551022You are autistic and can't read.
>>89550996Really makes you think.
>>89550996>The people Mouse, Mel, Froot and Zen scared off beforeTheres a clip of mouse from like 2 years ago talking about having CUM in her eye. This is when her model was still pretty loli-ish.
>>89549873>Also because it's a Western company with a majority EN fanbase, it's kinda cringe to be using a bunch of Japanese words and phrases.I haven't watched vshojo much. But aren't they all still weebs using anime avatars? That talk about anime, japanese games, and jpop? And they use some japanese words and you think that's cringe?
>>89551395You dont understand maaaaaaaaaaaaan, just because my name is Narusegawa Kimiko and I use this anime style model, doesnt mean that I need to know anything about it. I can just hijack your hobby and turn it into yet another avenue for my tranny propaganda.
I'm just going to laugh if they need to start getting permissions from game companies now that they have a full jp side. Wonder if the crusading nijifags will start targeting vsj like they did hololive with Mio way back in the day. Holocaust 2 Vshojo Boogaloo.
>>89551738The current ''JP'' members need permissions to stream some games. Perm Autism is country-wise. This is not new.
>>89551738Did you laugh when that happened to Hololive? Or are you just a hypocritical psycho that enjoys when bad things happen to others?
>>89540730Even vshojo will be part of idol culture, Idol haters will be driven to the sea.
>>89551395I think if "liking anime" is all that it takes to qualify as a weeaboo, then that word has completely lost all meaning.>>89551541The only VShojo member (pre-Nova) who has a Japanese name is Hime, and her name is a joke (the entire character is a joke)
>>89552389Brother seriously think "vShojo" is English.
>>89552546Did I say that? I don't remember saying that.
>>89551931It's called laughing at the faggots who taunted hololive when it was happening, just desserts, karma.
>>89552843As a vshojofag I don't really think about hololive at all
>>89552843Didn't that happen before VShojo even existed?
>>89540730because le evil idol culture
>>89540730oh hey I'm on the telly and stand by what I saidI don't have anything against holo talent because they're nice and good at what they do but I hate the idol culture. it leads to stressed out talent that they have to try extra hard to maintain a specific image even if it's not true because they get harassed if they don't for the most inane bullshit. the woman hate. the man hate. it's ridiculous and cancerous. just let them stream and participate in events in their own way
>>89549873>it's kinda cringe to be using a bunch of Japanese words and phrases.this is the worst kind of vtuber fan.
>>89552389>I think if "liking anime" is all that it takes to qualify as a weeaboo, then that word has completely lost all meaning.Yeah maybe, but I never implied that. You're ignoring all the other things I said. They do more than just "like anime", right? You're not going to tell me that's as far as their interaction with Japanese culture goes, right?
>>89553488>get harassedhogwarts incidentActually, you described perfectly the kind of fanbase vsj has grown due to pandering to a political side on twitter
>>89553597>a bunch of reddit communists who don't watch vtubers harass vshojo and their friends>HMMM CLEARLY DA VSHOJOFANS DID THIS BECAUSE DEPRES NOSAGI TOLD ME THEY ARE LE POLITICAL STREAMERSare you daft, mate?
>>89553557nta. a huge portion of mainstream popular games are japanese developed so that's a silly metric to use, and none of them really talk about jpop. it's geega and ironmouse going on about kpop for hours and henya singing the full don quixote store song
>>89553764I never said they were political streamers you illiterate monkey, I said they pandered to a political leaning on Twitter. Never imply I consume any media from that faggot again.
>>89553766>a huge portion of mainstream popular games are japanese developedSure, so they only play the mainstream popular japanese games? None of them are interested in the non-mainstream ones?
>>89553836no? I'd actually say that vshojo members play more western developed indie games than anything else with the exception of henya. out of the last 20 non-sponsored games mouse played, 4 are large western developed, 2 are large jp developed, 1 is large kr developed, and 13 are western indie. michi played 6 large western, 6 large jp, 8 western indie.
Those posts are from here? Generals really are their own little world, huh.
>>89554415>>89550996
>>89554313I just find a bit hard to believe that you're being entirely genuine. And it seems like you're both cherrypicking. They all use anime avatars. I know that ironmouse is a fan of Hololive, including Holo JP. There are Japanese members in vshojo. You have ex-nijisanji (a japanese company) members in vshojo. She's not in vshojo anymore, but I knew Nyanners back when she posted on /a/ and she was a huge weeb for sure. I know hime's roommate and she's a huge weeb for sure. I'm pretty sure Melody is already talking about hentai?So yeah, I have a lot of doubt when you tell me vshojo's interest in Japanese stuff is only surface level. Are you really that scared of being associated with it?
>>89552843Vshojo didn't even exist back then, absolutely mindbroken lmao
>>89552389>The only VShojo member (pre-Nova) who has a Japanese name is HimeHaruka KaribuKuro KurenaiHenyaArguably Geega
>>89551907The Japanese members all follow the blanket permissions that JP indies follow. It's only Holo and Niji (and maybe VSPO idk don't watch them) who require perms faxed, notarized and stamped with the imperial seal.
>>89554630they all use anime avatars because that's the standard in vtubing and anime style is aesthetically nice to look at and shows expressions well. mouse likes the talents in holo and is friends with a number of them but she has a strong dislike for corpo traditions like graduations and thinks the gender segregation is stupid. you're welcome to look up any vshojo on twitchtracker, there's a list of games they've played you can sort by most recent and see for yourself it's majority western not including henya and kson which makes sense. having japanese coworkers doesn't mean you subscribe to japanese cultural norms. most vtubing companies are japanese so ex-jp corpo members would happenI'm not saying they're not associated with japan and japanese culture bcause of course they are because a lot of us are even if we don't watch anime (I don't), but the original point is that vshojo and vshojo talent doesn't operate based on japanese culture (both social and business culture) and doesn't follow those norms. previously they haven't done gens, previously even henya and kson haven't really used senpai/kouhai outside of themselves and don't think of the other members that way, they don't do idol culture at all outside of wanting to do songs and concerts. it's a western company operating on western standards
>>89540730>look at /vsj+/>people are uoooh'ing at the new loliIs that post complaining about child models just something OP cherrypicked?
>>89555363Yes.
>>89555363>OP cherrypickedflasflagged even
>>89555363op is a retard, half of this post were joking about the "gen" thingy
>>89553597That was not the VSJ audience you retard, that was Twitter activists targeting anyone and everyone they could
>>89553557Regardless, liking Japanese things =/= weeaboo behavior
>>89554878Henya is Spanish (genia)Geega made her name palatable to JP pronunciation but it isn't JapaneseYou got me with Haruka and Kuro
