Family Portrait EditionWelcome to /vsj+/! A thread to discuss VShojo and vtubers who frequently associate with them.WE HAVE OUR DATES AND AN ANIMATED TEASER. Hold on 5bros we're not out of this yet because the 4 talents we've been seeing so far don't debut for ANOTHER WEEK. They're also at very JP friendly times, which makes for very western unfriendly times, so make sure to show up. Anyway Henya is LIVE! And is so excited from the trailer drop that she stopped playing a game and is just hanging out now. That's it for now so check that out or find something else to do. Just make sure to keep things comfy and civil by ignoring and especially reporting bait, and being excellent to each other.Image source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuyRAsoRqCEVShojo is:Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot | https://www.youtube.com/@ApricotFrootGEEGA - https://www.twitch.tv/geega | https://www.youtube.com/@GEEGAHaruka - https://www.twitch.tv/harukakaribu | https://www.youtube.com/@HarukaKaribuHenya - https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius | https://www.youtube.com/@henyathegeniusHestia - https://www.twitch.tv/hestiahappiness | https://www.youtube.com/@HestiaHappinessHime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime | https://www.youtube.com/@himehajime1570Hotaru - https://www.twitch.tv/akatsukidhotaru | https://www.youtube.com/@AkatsukiDHotaruKson - https://www.twitch.tv/ksonsouchou | https://www.youtube.com/@ksonONAIRKuro - https://www.twitch.tv/k9kuro | https://www.youtube.com/@K9KUROMata - https://www.twitch.tv/matarakan | https://www.youtube.com/@MataraKanMel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody | https://www.youtube.com/@projektmelodyMichi - https://www.twitch.tv/michimochievee | https://www.youtube.com/@MichiMochieveeMouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse | https://www.youtube.com/@IronMousePartyNagi - https://www.twitch.tv/NagIsekaied | https://www.youtube.com/@NagIsekaiedPeke - https://www.twitch.tv/pekeispeak | https://www.youtube.com/@PekeIsPeakZen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya | https://www.youtube.com/@zentreyaOfficial Channels - https://www.twitch.tv/vshojo | https://www.youtube.com/@VShojoRelated:総長 + 会長 for dedicated Kson discussion/999/ for dedicated Henya discussion/mouse/ for dedicated Mouse discussion/lig/ and /big/ for extended + and former member discussionPrevious Thread: >>89585153
we love artists
She's leaning into it
Funky-spunky my beloved
The 5th might be Jesus Christ at this point
If you guys don't stop talking about a 5th member i'll kill myself
So anyway the 5th member is Monaca
>>89592515She's /here/
They can't do this to Kuro
why is xpeke debuting in vshojo. I thought lol salaries were quite good
>>89592592>When Christ needed to come back to life 3 days after being crucified, he did it with his GamerSupps! Use code SAVIOR for 10% off your next order and be on the look out for the new prophetic flavor "Blood of Christ" coming soon!
If you guys stop talking about a 5th member i'll kill myself
>>89592679Wow. I haven't heard that name in a decade.
>>89592706groundhog's day ahh gif
>>89592507vyugen vs saruei
They're all 2views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuyRAsoRqCE
If you guys don't stop talking Geega doing ASMR i'll kill myself
5th member is Mei. Pls be Mei. Pls be Mei. Pls be Mei.
>>89592850The Geega ASMR is locked in Area 51
>>89592820make webms from here and not from the twitter shitty codec crisp
and.....they are still dating.
>>89592815Geega should be a 2view
is henya gonna act surprised about Jackie's demise?
>>89592983Who's that?
>>89592983nah
>>89592469my fav energy out of any pair in the org
Nagi - big ex-corpoHestia - 2view Peke - small indieHotaru - hagDid I get it right?
>>89592983Nah
>>89592983>actShe already forgot
>>89592983she will be genuinely surprised, the ligma induced cortical damage has impaired her memory
yo yo yo
>>89593061We don't know yet.
>>89593061if by corpo you mean chinese shadow corpo yea
>>89592983anon, she watches the same DancingBacons videos multiple times
>>89592983what do you mean? this vtuber is gone foreverhttps://youtu.be/-dNNpOvY6oE?si=vMQgdhkGR_QRQivm
>>89592983She will be surprised. The clone loses memories and there have been several clones since then.
>>89592889Fuck off already.
>>89593061Nah it’s >Nagi: ex hololive>Hestia: nepohire>Peke: DearStage idol>Hotaru: Mako Komuro
>>89592983DAYO
>>89592507Sexy whore
>>89593061I hope there won't be any 2nd Haruka(Hime doesn't count) ever again in vshojo. I still love the moose though
>>89592706
Henya is being gay
>>89592983Anon...
It was loutlot driving all along
mom henya is acting like a old perverted man again
>>89593411Nah he says Henya, the translation just ignored her name
What would be considered a success and what would be considered a failure for NOVA?
>>89593411You need a mixing license in Japan
>>89593323>Trending in Kanto
I'm getting less and less convinced that these girls were from the applications
this will be loutlot's mixing masterpiece or else he is on fraudwatch
>>89593455>successmore jp artists draw vshojo lewds>failureanything but the above
>>89593527We gotta grab lotta and ask
fifth member was in front of us all day. JP Bubi
>>89593646He has a butt face
>>89593061Nagi - Former extremist militia memberHestia - Former bank robber and jewel thiefPeke - Former FBI honeypot informantHotaru - Former exotic animal dealerFuck villain org. This is just a criminal org now.
>>89593503she once literally said where she lived while talking with geega but i'm surprised as no one said anything or clipped KEK.
>>89593455>successovercomes phaseJP at least one breakaway star getting widespread recognition in the JP market>failureforgotten week 2
Always nice to see Mouse and Nux are still on good terms
>>89593614This
>>89593527the amount of time it takes to organize multiple people models, designs, rig, animations, merch, paper work, legal work, platforms, monetization, takes longer than half a year.
>>89593231>Looks up image in archive>Only tranny schizo uses itAlright checks out. I love Mei by the way. She's cute.
>>89593527Because even if it's an immediate assumption, the timeframe is pretty ridiculous for THREE people that didn't exist prior to this.If they were being scouted / on board a couple months prior it could make things a lot more feasible.
>>89593455>success No stagnation, they could start with not a lot of people watching, but if they are able to build reputation and a place in the JP market>failure Total EOP take over, although cute that they will try for us, it's kinda similar to the "white monkey" phenomenon
>>89593742>Highlighting MeiShe's in!!
The giant snake is Giri (color scheme, horns, spade tail) and her debut as #5 will be in the form of an IRL 5-person cooking collab. Screenshot this.
>>89593758>SheFuck off.
>>89593825she will fit nicely in the vore tier list
>>89593831Hey buddy knew it was you? Are you having a good day. Hope the melty today isn't bad princess. What do you think about the debuts?
>>895938255tards are on their sniffing glue arch, and they've gotten major brain damage from it
>I want a raw onewtf I thought she was gay
>>89593797It is possible, alsoI'm honestly thinking Loutlot went with one mindset of a small gen full of girls and checked the audition as they moved, he noticed a few that were good, and didn't change his mindset until the end
would it be cheating if I got started on my piece for the contest before matara releases the new rules?
>>89593527What would a reasonable timeframe be anyway? May? June? Assuming that they were done this year because even if August to now is ridiculous, I think starting in 2023 is a bit over the top.
>>89593742Curiously I don't see a wolf wife in there.
>>89593742>enevunhow? HOW mouse knows him? WOW
>>89593527Yeah I agree, the timeline is increasingly untenable, and we know Loutlot has been wanting more JP members a long time. Gonna be pretty wild to get an entire 2nd gen of JP girls early next year though.
>>89593527the animation to me all but confirms it isn't auditions. that quality of animation takes time and when you take into account picking people, then figuring out designs, lore, etc. no shot.
>>89593954She'll send momos to break your hands
What's Zen angry about now?
>>89593954No. Go for it
>>89593742Pink cat good.
>>89593986he's part of the rust event
>>89593967>wolf wifewho?
What if the auditions were just a sham and they already pre-scouted everyone.
>>89593527Like, if anyone is from the audition I could see them wanting an extra person to fill out the group and they just grabbed Hestia lmao. It's too weird for her to be the only established one before this barring any 5th person that hasn't been revealed yet
>>89594002Yeah, the animation was the final nail in the coffin for me. Keep in mind you can't even START animating until all the new characters and and their designs, etc are already locked down.
I just had a theory, but the auditions were a front and they pre scouted a bunch of people.
>>89594033Pink cat bad.
THERES NO SECRET 5TH MEMBER BECAUSE IT WAS THE SECRET 2025 2ND WAVE ALL ALONG
There's gonna be more trailers or some kind of lore videos during this week? At least something right.........
>>89594170There's no point in holding fake auditions. Remember they said from the start that we wouldn't see the results of the auditions until 2025. Far more likely these are just the girls they already found and the auditions will be wave 2.
>>89594170People were assuming auditions purely because it was a group debuting at once. At the end of the day the only news we've had on audition debuts is next year, so if the auditions were a front they could have waited until then. This is actually what people assumed they would do all along. A new debut this year that wasn't from the auditions
>>89594238Yeah, tweets
>>89594238I'm praying each member gets an introduction video so we can get voice reveals before debut
>>89594298voiced by panini
these rrats are getting more retarded by the hour
>>89594193this
>>895943495shills are the worst posters yet again
>shamIt wouldn't be a sham because they technically have said 2025 would be their year and also Hestia seems like she applied, and they never said they were hiring a lot hired, hell the application says it doesn't guarantee an debut.I do believe they are applicants, but I'm started to think they might have not been at the time we thought they ended the applications remember that the applications only ended alongside EN because of EN late response, so considering that, they probably had August to fully realize the plans with the 4 (with three taking a new concept)And leaving a two-month crunch over models while the animation is made
>>89592983Has Henya completed 2077 before?
>>89592936Good for them.
Don't tell anyone but Nagi is actually Tupac
Still don't understand why they're branching out to JP with no audience there. Don't understand why they're worried about nepohires even though it works perfectly fine for them. Not everyone needs to be a risk taker.
>>89594682my nagga
https://youtu.be/2nHveRzKY8g?t=14101smol mention
if the vtuber I wanted gets /in/ then the auditions were legit, if she did not then they were a sham
>>89593646fat fuck
>>89594757LEECH!!! LEECH!!! REEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
>>89594757>i like the girl with the hammerclassic mint
>>89594757Mint got what she wanted from vsj, there's no need to keep up this charade
>>89594757confirmed lolicon
>>89593742I mean vox and frickin krimbo are there too.
>>89594904Based
>>89593646That's ugly
God I hope Iron Mike knocks out this little blonde faggot
>>89593742>nuxI don't see him
>>89595034I do.
>>89594934based
>>89594757There's a reason Henya and Mint always got along.
If Henya lived in cyberpunk world, would she give herself a cybernetic dick?
>>89595034
Henya is fucking an old man
>>89595192Vshoujo changed her...
I would have sex with henya
>>89595303so brave
There's no way I'm waking up at 5AM to watch the debuts. I'll just trust they know what they're doing with this.
>>89595303she would forget about it in a few months
>>89595382yeah, vod gang i guess
>>89594888your "+" is a leech, yes, not mint
>>89593646That's Behemoth. Apparently the biblical beast is now a buttfaced Cinnamoroll. Fitting I guess.
I miss my oshi...
>>89595387Damn it's like that Adam Sandler movie
>>89595179>lucaLmao that guy is persona non grata in indie circles now. Even vox would have a better time than him.
It's kind of messed up how they made the other 3 appear like side characters in the promo
>>89595557What do you mean?
>>89595557Not if you're a Nagifag
>>89595557my protag gf
>>89595557Nagi is the isekai protagonist
When will the Mei cope stop man.
>>89595557Nagi is the clique leader.
>>89595865When you let it go.
I'll be the first to admit that the exodus was a good thing, at least in going forwardI think after Mata I started to think this wouldn't had happened two years ago, and today was the spit on that coffin (kek), ain't no way I would see Vei or Nyan in this, and that's a good thing.
>>89596230what is blud wafflin about
>>89596230You win
>>89595382I'm happy that they're 100% aiming for the JP market. Right now the JP bros really only have Kson. Henya calls herself half a JP member, streams in the morning for them, basically only does English collabs, and even plays games in English with English subtitles. Four new dedicated JP members should hopefully make them feel less like second class VShojo fans and help create an actual fandom in Japan.
>>89596230Vei collabed with nazuna
>>89596104No because I ignored this thread for a week and people still post Mei cope.
>>89596365Currently Hestia streams primarily in JP but with a new flood of EN viewers that could change
>>89596459Hestia looking cute
>>89596483you came back too soon, try ignoring it for a month
>>89596531Now I know your just trying to get me to leave.
>>89596459Girl, that look is so you
>>89596640You need to let it go and free your mind.
If NOVA being from outside auditions is a thing then I'm locking in my schizo Monaca rrat, revised with the new info we've gotten.>Tweet about loutlot saying Monaca was joining VShojo at the end of June, about 2 weeks before auditions even opened for Japan>Assuming none of these people were through auditions, this is a much easier to accept timeframe for 3 entirely new people to join>When auditions did open, she didn't even acknowledge them for a few days>Fans had to basically ask her to apply during that stream where she was reading off tanabata tree messages https://www.youtube.com/live/HvJhA-Bdl74?si=ZinRuLF8g0ZiHABc&t=3664 There's more than one but I don't feel like searching>She caves and applies, but with an absolute shitpost of an audition and doesn't post it until the very same day auditions closed https://x.com/high_pingg/status/1819090772496703760 >The first NOVA tease happens and her immediate response is honing in on 5 portals = 5 new members rather than the fact there's new people at all https://x.com/high_pingg/status/1855825815067635918>Kson's tweet after the 4 are revealed is saying she recommends the one in the middle tower, where there isn't anyone standing. Kson of course being the one with the most history with her. >She's small, and thus attainable for VShojo with a lack of a JP audience>She's met with staff in person and has hung out with Highgai>She's more well known than her viewership would imply thanks to going viral >She would be recognizable to most people visually, so it makes sense not to tease her upfrontLOCKING IN
i hope this is just a well crafted shitpost
>>89596870I want that sweet ass /in/
Has anyone made Monaca in Koikatsu yet. That video reminded me of that pic of her with a huge ass and now my mind is wandering
Nice one Netflix.
>>89596979nope, unfortunately she is a who
Hime starting a subathon
>>89597058I'm so excited for this. fear and hunger is an interesting game and I don't get tired of watching it
>>89597058Marathon*
>>89597058Shouldn't take long if she goes for some easy ending. Mouse beat it relatively quick.
>>89596797I'll be the first to reply and say I'm choosing to believe this.
>>89597132First half of the game is really cool, but I lose interest when it moves away from the dungeons.
>>89597058I would form a Marriage with Heem
>>89597242
>>89597058>Already 2 days ahead of Gura in 2024 stream time>About to have a marathon
>>89597058IF CONNOR COMES IN AND BACKSEATS ANOTHER PLAYTHROUGH IM WATCHING IM GONNA KILL MYSELF
aboba
>>89597402nah, mario party collab was proof hime and connor are a solid duo. he'll get so mad when he's only able to watch her be terrible at a game he love so much, it'll be great
>>89597058fuck, i just noticed the date, that means 11 days without Hime...
>>89594745It's not that complicated. They have a JP office and a JP President with JP staff and Loutlot can't expand operations or do anything cool without more income, and more income=more members. Dude has been talking about wanting at least five JP members literally from the beginning.
>>89597058will she play with a lame censor?
>>89597308people always lose steam there as they keep expecting the game to end and it just doesn't.
>>89596797I really like Monaca too, but I honestly believe that, if a green woman is the ultrasecret 5th member it's another green woman, had to go archive diving for the image of the leak. And honestly, I also wouldn't be surprised if there is no 5th member at all. Guess we'll see how the next week develops.
>>89597476It's strange they seem to have such great chemistry. Are they fucking?
>>89597242That’s actually the fifth portal she’s pointing at
>>89597476why cant he just come in and vibe man. he's got the impulse control of an autistic boy when you watch his favorite show with him
>>89597058ez hime dub
>>89596797>one in the middle tower, where there isn't anyone standinglook closer near the top
>>89597718there's no one there anon...
>>89597620God I hope not
I need Vshojo cuddling ASMR I'm so cold and lonely bros
Well now I’m depressed Good shit Henya is still live
https://www.twitch.tv/henyathegenius/v/2302790305?sr=a&t=23468s
>>89598317
>>89598317The next 4 years are going to be a disappointment sports wise
fuck you geega
>>89598317didn't watch who won?
>>89597483if she doesn't want to get banned, I guess yes
>>89598412Given the fight was rigged, I'm betting the White Guy
>>89598387Geega is dead, notGeega killed her.
>>89598412jake paul by decisionit was very boring, which was to be expected
the japanese are sad kson isn't acknowledging the new girls
the japanese are making the catgirls busty
>>89598520what a bunch of drama sisters, embarrassinganyways, pink love status?
>>89598412Jake Paul. Tyson just lost all steam after the first round, he's too damn old for this.
I see Peke is learning about the depths of our purple retards
>>89598613>pink love statusdead as a doornail
>>89598421I'm pretty sure nudity is okay if it is just part of the game and not the focusI've seen people stream uncensored F&H
>>89598668>small child next to high sexual impact melody-chanuoh
>>89598840
>>89598668>>89598762thats the face she'll make when she sees my 3 inch destroyer
>>89599056do not lewd mel
>>89599020>baitNahI just didn't like the constant braindead circlejerk
You guys bored me
good
Meichan is so cute.
aethel seething right now he lost money on that rigged tyson fight
Is hotaru a gecko?
Sonch caught a big fish
>>89599515I liked when she defended froot
>>89599595watching mike was sad
>>89599294>Wanting that dipshit to win because the majority wanted Tyson to beat his ass>Calling the correct desired outcome a circle jerkSeek help anon.
So in Japanese do they use "senpai" and "kohai" every time they refer to someone depending on senority? Like instead of just saying Zen, Henya would say Zen senpai and Michi kohai every time she talked about them?
>>89599653based
>>89599732idk
>>89598668mini mel
>>89599732You don't have to say the name all the time, it is mostly used when you are in a room with various of them or for example in third person, obviously close relationships aside.Titles sort of work like that in Japan, same how they work in other parts of the world but mainly to your boss.
>>89599685>wanting the woman-beating rapist to win because he punched good once upon a time and that makes him better than some young guy who is a douche>saying I need to seek help for finding joy in seeing the scumbag's dumbass dickriders eat crowPick better heroes, Anon
Another lol
Why do all the JPs follow giri though?
>>89600017She's hot
>>89600017Seems like she knows a lot of people
>>89600017She's #5. please I just don't want it to be Delu. I'm willing to believe that Monaca rrat posted earlier
>>89600017stop it with the nooticing
WAIT WTF YOU CAN TOWARDS SABURO'S AV IN THIS MISSION?
>>89600122
>>89600017Second big collab, all 4 try to give a recipe to Giri while Hestia translates the japantards
>>89599673
If Giri gets /in/ that means the Geega method works and Mei will join next year.
>>89600171I'd watch that. Though unless they crash and burn right out the gate I think Giri's more likely to milk them for 4 separate collabs instead of doing so all at once. Unless someone else joins to make it a mini event like Kson or Henya or both so it's the entirety of VShojo JP
>>89600357I want to watch one like that, because Peke definitely is the only full JOP, and idk it will be funny I guess
the secret 5th members is truck-kun
>>89600815is there a vtuber with that gimmick character yet?
>>89600602Peke and Nagi are 100% JOP. Hotaru might only be good in text and Hestia EN/JP
my only hope is that the one that looks like a touhou actually plays touhouvshojo needs a touhou autist badly
Which new members are hafu?
>>89600895Yeah she's a gun tuber now IIRC
Should the JP members have an on screen translator and a bot in chat that translates every JP message to EN and every EN message to JP?
Which new members are Korean?
>>89600986the 5th
>>89600017their just like us. they love chinese hags
>we
Henya keeps trying to use the tummy hurt excuse in game to get out of things.
I told you no one would be happy with the art contest. I told you but you didn't believe me.
>>89598583Based
>>89601312Froggy was
>>89601443I'd be happy to be in froggy
>>89601312Doesn't Mouse hold outfit contests every so often? Those usually seem to turn out fine. I think Mata just triggered them because of the six member requirement. I think if she left it out and chose someone who drew 6+ members as the winner it would have been fine.
>>89601511People complain in those too
Nagi is still replying to every single person on X. I hope it will translate to her streams and she'll be a hyperactive cutie who spams collabs like Zen.
>>89601511faggots complain, she just ignores themwhich is what mata should have done
>>89601569She's gonna turn out to be like asmongold and pull up chat messages on screen every 10 minutes with a shitty argument.
>>89601569have you looked at peke's replies?
>>89601617the vei and saru route is fun too
>>89601645Would be kino
>>89601645I'd watch Asmongold as a cute Japanese anime girl.
>>89601645you think I wouldnt watch that shit?
>>89601645Finally a debatelord member
Henya revealed the 5th member is Johnny Silverhand
5 bros we are so back!
>>89601511When Mouse does an outfit contest she doesn't require that everyone submit multiple outfits, also she tends to go overboard and select more winners than she originally planned. The risk/reward is ultimately fair for those and the previous 2 Vshojo art contests. I agree if she simply left that out no one would have complained (even though the highest finishers in every previous contest have been exclusively group pictures lol)
Henya just said Johnny Silverhand is the 5th member of Nova.
Will Peke and Nagi survive the 1 week of vtweeting? Holy shit they are going ham.
JFC my notification going berrrrrrrrr because of nagi and peke wtf girls
Geega bald husband
I don't understand what is the point of putting them in this "Twitter jail" for a whole week. It works for giants like Hololive because they have so many people watching them and it actually takes time for them to see the new talents, but for VShojo I feel like it's completely unnecessary and might even kill the hype a bit. Unless they start aggressively running JP ads, which they don't.
>>89602285It's so that they can hype the 5th member separately
>>89602285a week isn't that long, if it was a month+ I would agreebut I don't think the hype is gonna fade in 1 week
>>89602285They might have felt that 1-2 days was too little time to build up hype.1 week feels like too much to me too, but the thing is that scheduling the debuts outside of the weekend would be retarded, so there aren't many alternatives left.
>>89602358This is the correct answer, they want as many people as possible to see the debuts, and doing them this weekend would be too soon. So no other option.
>>89602407why is she looking at me like that...
>>89602285> It works for giants like Hololive Hololive dont do a full week typically. Only a few days.
>>89602285Every time you complain, Gunrun adds 2 more days to their sentence.
Is this a cunny friendly thread?
>>89602829yeah
>>89592507is she still a +?
>>89602829which isn't
>>89602829how could one refuse a cute cun like >>89602407
>>89602829
>>89602829Yeah, we love our whores big and small
>>89592507I mean, yesterday was a kinda shitty move and uncalled for
>>89602829I think that one guy that hated cunny just roped.
>>89602921don't call my oshi a whore.t. science team
>>89602829But of course.
Nagi is so happy. It's cute
>>89602997>Mint This model looked so much better
>>89603007She is a real gem. Can't wait for her debut, even if I can barely understand Japanese
>>89602997Can't believe Kevin can draw such cute things like this
i see this pfp a lot under the girls tweets who moscato is this ??
Takemura's English sounds like Henya's
Haven't been able to watch her stream but is henya acting like she never played this game before?
>>89603299That's a Jailbird fairly sure. Nerissa's mascot.
>>89603299Nerissa Ravencroft?
Henya is into DILFS
>>89603299Fat fuck
Henya is not lesbianShe wants to fuck Takemura
Zen should get an outfit like this
>>89603500Henya is not straightShe wants to fuck every woman
Some of the JP bros still believe that VShojo members have a quota.
>>89603361I hope Henya acts like nothing happened and plays Hogwarts Legacy like PekoraI want to hear Henya say Avada Kedavra in her lovely voice
>>89603571that last anon called him out for that lol
>>89603299Nerissa's. There was some thing a while back where a bunch of people on Twitter changed their avatars to that and some of them never bothered undoing it so there's a lot of them still aroudn
>>89603602the game is actually fun to play and watch suck it have drama attached to it
>>89603654This isn't notable
>>89603654sadly common Hime L
>>89603654I got 92
>>89592411i am once again requesting you seperate the links into EN and JP sectionsthat giant block of text is nauseating
>>89603864Hi Henya
Just caught up, 5bros........
>>89603571>"It's a quality of NekoFami to take 100% of what Mike says at face value"KEK THEY KNOW
>>89603879This. Even the new girls themselves have them separated for the sake of readability
