Is there anyone else who had such a fall from grace?
I think I'd rather get mikeneko pregnant because it would be harder to come after me for child support, whereas both Sayu and I are Americans, so she'd easily bankrupt me.
>>89690088Most of NIjisanji EN
>>89690088you gotta be someone respected and revered to fall from grace. Sayu was a whore and a lolcow from the start
This is what Sayu thinks of her fan's opinions btw.
>>89690351The thing that makes her happy is when her fans harass someone out of the Vtubing community
>>89690351Damn, who set her off?
>>89690351Why do some content creators think that it's the fans role to make THEM happy and not the opposite? Their literal only reason to exist is to please their fans.
>>89690088What did she even do to get so many antis recently.
>>89691200probably grudgeposters from the time anons were arguing about Sayu joining the chinese corpo
>>89691200her constant woman moments probably
>>89690649Her fans simp really fucking hard for her and are desperate for her approval
>>89691443yeah, sadly Sayu will not tell piprup to calm the fuck down
>>89691200Joining an agency with ties to a Chinese company is prime material for schizos to sperg out
>>89691578It also feels like she really doesn't appreciate (or even want) her more casual fans
>>89691200>recentlySisters have been mad at her forever now
You need to have a reputation first before losing it
>>89690088She's menhera, but she had nowhere near the fall that Mike had. What Mike did was enough to land her on Japan's national news IIRC.
>>89690088"Mikeneko of EN" vtubing and its someone who was doxxed and harassed over a joke because a company said she was a bad person
>>89691578what is this even about, i have no idea who these people are
>>89690351Sayu has never been a person to shy away from stating her opinions. It's quite literally why her fanbase likes her.She's offended that people that are her friends don't think she hasn't researched enough over the past year her best actions in regards to joining a corpo after the last time they tried to publically slander her.it's the same stuff she did with Kenji who fucking deserved to get called out.
She fucked up SO many opportunities, even when she was supposedly "getting better". A chance to make up with Matara? Wasted. A chance to connect with Mint? Wasted. Bridges with Vshojo and Phase Connect? Burnt. An opportunity to triple her view-count? Thrown away. Like what the fuck is her problem? She was horribly wronged, but goddammit woman, this is ridiculous.
>>89692270what the fuck are you talking about she made up with Matara and spoke with Mint, she is still friends with several people in Phase including Lia and Shiina, and what the fuck are you talking about "triple her view count"? Vshojo were not going to let her join, Kson told her this.
>>89690482fuck off quinn no one is interested in your "content" despite having the entire liggersphere lick your balls for months. Sayu doesn't have anything to do with your failure as a chuuba, go be a flesh sex pest
>>89691296>>89691792this. it's just plain old racism.
>>89690088you can say a lot of stupid shit about Sayu, but at least she's not a cat murderer like mike.
>>89691578>shilling your own post from an archivego suck off other corpos to "muh get along" and don't dare to call yourself a SincroKnight ever again, you spineless faggot.
>>89692396>what the fuck are you talking about she made up with Matara and spoke with MintAnd what did it amount to? Nothing. Mint ignores her entirely. Matara hasn't mentioned her in months.>and what the fuck are you talking about "triple her view count"People whose eyes were completely open post-Selen were curious to check her out, but she doesn't want "dragoon bandwagonners" in her fanbase. She wants her easily malleable sub-1k audience that she can groom.>she is still friends with several people in Phase including Lia and ShiinaAgian, this amounts to nothing.>Vshojo were not going to let her join, Kson told her thisTough shit. So what, this warrants burning bridges?
>>89692530Even ignoring the china aspect, this corpo already has alot going against it. Like the prospective vtuber getting terminated and the talent scout revealing how bad of a work environment it was.
>>89692754Get therapy, Pip.
>>89690088Grace?
>>89690194Spbp
There's no comparison between Sayu and Mikeneko. Rushia was at the top of the mountain before her fall.Sayu was a fucking who and only drama tards care about her now.
>>89690351Woah, yeah, she has gotten so much better. She is totally a new person.
>>89690351I don't see the big deal, that's a perfectly uncontroversial opinion.
>>89690351She'a not wrong.
>>89696513>Or if you actually care, how about doing something that would make me happy rather than what would make you happyIf a friend or someone who cares about you genuinely believes you're making a mistake, that's not coming out of a place of "how can I make myself happy?" it's coming out of place of concern because you care about the other person and don't want them caught up in trouble. The fact she's framed her friends and communities apprehension as purely one of negativity is insaneEven if they're wrong and she's making the objectively best choice she could make, their trepidation is benevolent and born out of careYou can be wrong in your actions AND have done those actions out of genuine concernShe other doesn't care that other people care about her or only wants yes menIs she BPD or something?
>>89690351Putting aside the obvious shitposters just trying to stir things up, the community has more than enough reason to be concerned about this corpo, and Sayu's response couldn't be more immature>you think you "warning" me of something I'm the one doing, that I spent a year+ looking into, will chance something going unexpectedly wrong someday?Sayu, this isn’t about you joining a corpo. It’s specifically about NOA. You haven’t been looking into them for a year. Fuck, you were literally crying about no one wanting you just a few weeks before starting teasing that you were about to join this agency>Or if you actually care, how about doing or saying something that would make me happy, rather than what would make YOU happy?This right here is the heart of the problem. Sayu, you don’t want a community, you want a group of yes men who’ll agree with you on everything, telling you how right you are and how wrong everyone else is. I've seen you get triggered by random comments that meant absolutely no harm, just because they didn’t agree with you. You can’t handle any criticism, especially if you’re convinced you're right.And that’s what makes this whole situation even crazier. After all the unprofessional shit NOA’s pulled, and even after Quinn quit, regretted ever getting anyone involved with them, and called the agency a black company, you still went ahead and joined them. And now, you have the balls to be offended that people are worried about you? Jesus fucking christ.
>>89697070>She other doesn't care that other people care about her or only wants yes men>>89697128>Sayu, you don’t want a community, you want a group of yes men who’ll agree with you on everything, telling you how right you are and how wrong everyone else is. bingo
>>89697128unfortunately Sayu is a Japanese woman which means she's completely unfixableshe will be like this no matter what
>>89692396>And what did it amount to? Nothing. Mint ignores her entirely. Matara hasn't mentioned her in months.Why the fuck does she need to? The whole point was making up with them so they're on good terms, they don't need to hang out all the time to appease little faggots like you.>People whose eyes were completely open post-Selen were curious to check her out, but she doesn't want "dragoon bandwagonners" in her fanbase. She wants her easily malleable sub-1k audience that she can groomNijisisters were never going to watch her, her channel both on twitch and YouTube did grow, what she didn't pander to the Dragoons by saying "look at me, I got fucked over by them too, come watch me" she already said she is open to collabing with Doki if she wants it and Doki doesn't want to, fucking move on dipshit.>Agian, this amounts to nothing.It wasn't supposed to amount to nothing you fucking mongoloid, it was disproving your retarded theory that she "burned bridges" when if anything she rebuilt them. "She didn't give up her IP to be in Phase connect so she can be in the same agency with her friends so clearly they're on bad terms" that's your thought process isn't it? fucking retard.>Tough shit. So what, this warrants burning bridges?Again, what fucking bridges? the only bridges that were burned were with those that stabbed her in the back and never apologised to her and even doubled down like in Hex's case.Holy shit anon I know we're on 4chan but you can at least try to not ACT retarded.
>>89698472>Why the fuck does she need to? The whole point was making up with them so they're on good terms, they don't need to hang out all the time to appease little faggots like you.NTA, but Sayu tried to interact with them multiple times after Matara patched things up, and they just ghosted her. It's clear that Sayu thought things would change and that she'd join their group of friends, but that never happened, and that could very well be one of the main reasons she decided to join NOA.
>>89698472>Again, what fucking bridges?Virtually any bridge with a big vtuber. She's displayed time and time again she's a yab timebomb waiting to happen and I wouldn't blame a single vtuber for never wanting to interact with her. The slightest thing she could perceive as "backstabbing" will have her go on another crusade.She talks about being backstabbed and however true that is, doesn't matter because she gives off the impression that she either deserves it or she's misinterpreting intentions. Niji fans, this site and adjacent ones hate her obviously, so we all know she isn't regarded in the best light from the start by outsiders, but to act like the people actually participating in her community/neutral vtubers are the same is incredibly unhinged. Friends are supposed to challenge you and butt heads with you if they believe you're doing something wrong, sure you don't have to care but simply being told that she *might be wrong* is enough to set her off and think they're being malicious by not just agreeing with her no questions asked. She's a human too, just like they could be wrong, so could she and she takes offense to that. Some people just aren't meant to stream, their mental can't take it and she clearly has issues in that department.If she was a man, she'd be considered a lolcow by almost everyone
>>89690649there's a surprisingly large amount of content creators with such mentalityand their fanbases, instead of calling them out, eat that shit up and encourage it further
>>89698784But that was never the case though, that's a narrative that Nijisisters try to pull. She had been trying to patch things up with Matara for over a year, she never said anything about collabing with her. Mint obviously wants to stay out of it due to the controversy surrounding her exit and not wanting to bring any of the haters to her streams. Matara doesn't collab with anybody from Niji if they weren't in Vshojo, I think she collabed with Quinn like once and then never again.She joined NOA because like she explained she wanted to be part of something and joining NOA is something she has been dealing with her lawyer for over a year now. With her previous experience there is no way she didn't work out things with NOA in regards to how they will support her, she literally explained this and there is a clip of it on YT. She went full in depth as to why she did it.Regardless of your criticism's of the company she joined or their ties with China you need to understand she was doing what she thinks is best for her, she can stream as an indie as much as she wants, that's not gonna allow her to grow. She wants to be part of a group that accepts her because they are on the same page and not because she's an outcast.
Sayu has a lot more viewers than she had as Zaion in nijiEN. So no, it's not a "fall" at all
>>89699103>She joined NOA because like she explained she wanted to be part of something and joining NOA is something she has been dealing with her lawyer for over a year now>for over a year You can't seriously believe that.
>>89699173Yeah, OP is a gigafaggot with the typical bait post, the males are the ones who really fell from grace
>>89690649It's the difference between creators who stream for validation vs those who stream for fun.Too many vtubers think vtubing is their opportunity to be a Beautiful Princess and their entire chat has to worship them.
>>89699038She hasn't burned any fucking bridges.It's more like when she was terminated by Niji she was avoided like the plague by people she thought were her friends and other creators she reached out to but didn't want anything to do with them. If there were any bridges burned they weren't done by her, she became a martyr and subject of ridicule and harassment for an entire year and a half and people still spread bullshit about her now. There weren't any burned bridges by her because she wasn't even allowed near said bridge due to people avoiding her, she has stated this numerous times and yes she has made mistakes and voiced her opinions in areas where she maybe shouldn't have, but that was a biproduct of the stress she accumulated as a result of the harassment and doxing that caused her to have to move places twice.I get the point you're trying to make but it all falls flat when you realise why she never talks or collabs with many people and it's because THEY'RE avoiding her because of the controversy forced upon her.
>>89699275Yes, for over a year. She first mentioned there was things in the pipeline for joining corpos over a year ago. I know because I watch her shit.
>>89699399she collabed with kson and zen then started ranting about how vshojo is a clique like 2 days later
>>89699473Because it is? and she wasn't ranting, someone brought up whether she would join Vshojo and she said no and gave a pretty unanimous reason which was "the entire company is just a bunch of friends" and given her past grievances with groups like that you understand why. PLus Kson straight told her there would be people uncomfortable with her joining.
>>89699553don't lie about kson you fucking bug
>>89690351>cuts out the part where she says that nothing will change even if it goes south because she got a good dealdon't care for this whore too much but you really gotta try harder with these bait threads lil bro
>>89699473She was calling vshojo a clique a year before that newfag, it was after Silvervale, Vei and Nyanners left
>>89699591>>89699591https://youtu.be/H1LDYLgKpD4?si=0RenYyJTEywvpMCHDo your fucking reps, the only people at the time that she was even talking to was Kson.
>>89699602Sayu just seems like a person with consistently bad judgement that is only increased by her continued failures. She'll never stop fucking up because fucking up is the only thing she knows.
>>89699465Then you would know that the NOA thing is very recent and that she was talking about other companies back then. If she is now saying that she has been talking with NOA for over a year, she is just plain lying.
>>89699737she does not mention kson in this clipyou are scummy and chinese just like the company your oshi joined
>>89699038>Friends are supposed to challenge you and butt heads with you if they believe you're doing something wrong, sure you don't have to care but simply being told that she *might be wrong* is enough to set her off and think they're being malicious by not just agreeing with her no questions asked.This is unironically a Japanese cultural thing, I genuinely don't think people will ever understand why Sayu is the way she is unless they've spent a serious amount of time being absorbed in Japanese culture and I don't mean surface level anime otaku shit I mean actually living in Japan and experiencing it.As a gaijin who's been living in Japan and has dated a lot of Japanese women, Sayu is pretty easy to understand.
>>89699795The only person she was talking to at the time was Kson, whom she collabed with. The only person she could get this info from was Kson.
>>89699858ching chong ping ling
>>89699779To each their own, besides the time period is irrelevant. The point I was making is she has had time to think about negotiate over contracts and talk with her lawyers as to whether it is worth her while.She's been through this before, therefore I have faith that she worked out a deal that works in her favour.
>>89699038>this site and adjacent ones hate her obviouslyFunny thing is this was one of the few places that sided with her when she was terminated.
Sex with sayu thighs
>>89699955VT flip flops with who they like on the regular, majority of VT are actually just drama fags that jump on any potential negativity to fit their fancy.
>>89699841She wasn't raised in a Japanese environment though, her adoptive parents were westerners.
>>89699038>Friends are supposed to challenge you and butt heads with you if they believe you're doing something wrong, sure you don't have to carethats an male mindset. sayu is a woman.men can fight once then become best buds later. men can go years without talking and still consider each other friends. sometimes youve hung out with a group for years and might not even know eachothers names.
>>89699858But she doesn't even imply someone told her this, rather it sounds like what she says is what she knows or assumes (which she does often)
>>89700134she was born and grew up in her early years in Japan.
>>89700210She doesn't need to imply it because there is no other way of her knowing. She was only talking to Kson at the time, so clearly she spoke with her about it.Unless you want to presume someone else.
>>89699038>>89699955>This site hates herMost people don't care either way and shitpost with her because she constantly has new material to work with.
>This company is one of the few that saw value in mepretty sure almost any small corpo thats bellow 100 ccv would see value on her and thats not "a few" and NoA looks to be exactly that a corpo with the other 2 talents probably being low 3 view or 2 view>No other company was willing to offer what they haveBeing "famous" for China means jack shit is like being famous on TikTok or getting famous just with YT shorts, yeah she has more ties with Hoyoverse now but pretty sure even they care more about their own content creators than Sayu>But we can't always be choosersThis is what gets me the most, yeah Sayu you had an option, and a good one, even if you had to give your IP to Fishman, joining Phase could have opened you more opportunities than ever and its not like Phase adjacents would blacklist them cause they hired Sayu, a lot of them are also friends with Sayu including fucking Filian, and with the rumours that Filian might announce having partial ownership of Phase at the vtuber awards, it would have been a way better prospect for the future.I know she just doesnt want to give her IP away and we dont really know the specifics of the contract but cmon Sayu, people IRL go and borrow money from the bank to get in debt but to make big projects and they can pay the debt later but keep making bank, you have to take a path in life that's worth the risk, you gain literally nothing by being on Noa
>>89700830>with the rumours that Filian might announce having partial ownership of Phase at the vtuber awardsTHE WHAT NOW??
>>89700830>the rumours that Filian might announce having partial ownership of Phase at the vtuber awards???
>>89690088Isn't that Froot? Sayu has done very little like Mikeneko.
>>89699945The time period is completely relevant because just six months ago, she was ranting and crying about how alone she felt and how much she hated being an indie. If she's now claiming she’s been negotiating with NOA for over a year, she's just lying to save face, pretending like she has everything under control and didn’t make a bad decision>She's been through this before, therefore I have faith that she worked out a deal that works in her favour.She's been through this before, therefore I was hoping she could recognize the obvious red flags and at least understand why her community is worried about her, instead of lashing out at themThe problem here is that just a few months ago, the community was convinced Sayu had broken off negotiations with NOA because she realized they were bad people. Now, suddenly, everything is fine, and Sayu is a genius businesswoman who's been negotiating with them for over a year, while we just ignore all the shady things NOA has doneLook, I understand that you care about Sayu and want to see her succeed, but she's been clearly lying, telling half truths, and taking advantage of the trust her community has placed in her. If you're okay with that and want to keep supporting her, that's your choice, but let's not pretend that Sayu has everything under control or that she knows what she's doing
>>89692530Such a fucking reach, the corpo is sketchy on its face with a scammer heading it and Bilibili is a website that is exactly as shitty as a Chinese social media site has to be with the amount of government interference inherent there.I'm not gonna say a bad word about Sayu, I like her, but it's totally rational to be wary of such things
Self destruction is indeed very entertaining.Hope she stabs someone in the back again, it's always very amusing when her fans try to put the blame on the other person
>>89701255Am I more inclined to listen to the words of the chuuba herself who had full reign on the terms of her contract or this random anon who is playing backseat vtubing? Hmm
>>89701655This random anon is just repeating the things Sayu has been saying for the past year. It's fine if you don't trust me, but that only means you're admitting that Sayu isn't trustworthy
>>89701255Frankly I didn't care for NOA since it's a Vshojo-style talent management agency that doesn't have grab your freedoms by the pussy unlike traditional corpos like Hololive and Phase. If it's really that bad Sayu can just leave whenever.
>>89701542I'm also concerned about the company, mainly from what Quinn said about it when she stepped down as staff. The only potential positive is that Metishon is also working with Hololive and Mythic with their branching out onto Bilibili.
>>89701772NTA but your blatant attempts to spin Sayu as someone who's constantly lying and manipulative comes off as extremely disingenuous, when everyone knows her biggest flaw is speaking her mind with no filter
>>89690351This is why most vtubers avoid her. They'll never know when she would have another episode and up revealing things that she shouldn't.
>>89692096Piprup is one of her schizo viewers who harasses other vtubers because he thinks that they are her enemies for either not defending her or for interacting with people who he thinks are her enemies, like Quinn.He's also /here/ and takes videos of himself trolling different generals to post on twitter as proof of his loyalty to sayu.Sayu replied to his twitter post and thanked him for what he was doing.
>>89700501come back when the voices in your head are silent
>>89702868I was still pretty positive about Sayu until that happened
>>89702868>takes videos of himself trolling different generals to post on twitter as proof of his loyalty to sayu.What the fuck? Proof?
>>89701944Anon, I’ve been watching her for a long time, and I can’t even count how many times I’ve caught her lying about the dumbest shit imaginable, like all those times she claimed she didn’t save her Twitch VODs because of "tech issues" when in reality, she just didn’t like certain parts and was too lazy to edit them outIt's the kind of stuff that you just shrug and move on because it’s dumb shit and it literally doesn't matter. But then, one day, Sayu casually mentioned that as a kid, she was a compulsive liar and would lie about literally everything. It’s such a strange thing to admit, but it does make you understand her behavior a little betterThen, you start noticing bigger red flags, like how Sayu suddenly said Quinn didn’t dox her, despite previously alluding multiple times to him being a terrible person and being fine with her community hating him. And then there’s all the Piprup stuff, but I’m not even going to bother getting into that.Or take the NOA situation: she went to China to meet with them and even posted a random picture of a 3D mocap suit. But, of course, when she came back, another NOA drama was unfolding, so she claimed she was angry and disappointed with them, conveniently leaving out the fact that by then, she had already signed the contractIt's fine if you don't want to acknowledge it, but Sayu has always been this way. I don't think she's a bad person, but she's extremely selfish and doesn't care about her community as much as she claims. Or at least not in the way they might hope>when everyone knows her biggest flaw is speaking her mind with no filterAnon, her biggest flaw is her shitty personality. Here's an example no one has brought up yet: her watchalongs. I eventually stopped watching movies with her and the community because I got tired of how awkward things would get afterward. There were far too many times when members shared their thoughts on the movie, and Sayu didn’t hesitate to shit on them if she thought they were trying to sound smart, didn’t like their jokes, or simply disagreed with their opinionsDon't get me wrong, I don't even dislike Sayu. I was one of the people who kept making her generals on this board and did my best to defend her as much as I could, so I get where you're coming from. But the thing is, I eventually just got tired of making excuses for her and pretending I wasn't seeing the red flagsNow, I know that nothing I say will change your opinion about her, but I at least wanted to explain where my "blatant attempts to spin Sayu as someone who's constantly lying and manipulative" are coming from
>>89699737Isn't this why people ghost her to begin with? Including the Nina incident?She tries to defend her own position, brings up or hints at things people told her to keep secret, ends up throwing these people under the bus for telling her things.Threw Nina under the bus for agreeing with her about niji being bad.Threw Kson under the bus for telling her that someone, most likely Mata didn't want her in, assuming what you're saying is true. Who the fuck would want to get close to her after seeing these?
>>89690184You don't want to get her pregnant she's going to kill your baby for pity bait content as she blames you for her life spiraling out of control
>>89700501So you claimed your assumptions as facts. Got it.
At least her melty when it all goes to shit will be funny.
>>89698472>Why the fuck does she need toIt's not about what she needs, it's about what she wanted at the time. She wanted for Matara and Mint to become their besties, and they couldn't care less about that shit. Maybe that was for a reason.>she is open to collabing with DokiNobody said shit about a collab, you illiterate spastic. What i said is that she sent the dragoons who were curious to watch her packing. >She didn't give up her IPYou're clearly a Phase anti. Don't even say a fucking word about them, you're an ignorant twat and it shows.>with those that stabbed her in the backAre you talking about someone in Vshojo? This attitude is EXACTLY why there won't be any more collabs.
>>89703967No? People ghost her because of the controversy she was forced into with Niji and them spreading lies about her, this predates anything she said regarding Matara. Nina/Matara stopped talking to her because she accidentally let slip (while Nina was still at Niji) that she felt ignored and bullied which Nina didn't like because it put her in danger ( this is the only thing I will put on Sayu for and even then it wasn't done with malicious intentions)
>>89704145She didn't want to be "besties" with Matara and Mint, she never at any point said this. She just wanted to clear things up with her because she felt apologetic towards Matara for what she did. She never at any fucking point said she wanted to be friends with Matara.>Nobody said shit about a collab, you illiterate spastic. What i said is that she sent the dragoons who were curious to watch her packing.I mentioned the fact that she was open to a collab was because she never at any point sent the Dragoons away from her, she said verbatum, if they want to stay they can stay but she doesn't want people following her because of her controversy, she wants them following her because of her content. Stop being a faggot>You're clearly a phase antiWHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I've not shit talked Phase once, it is common fucking knowledge that "phase invaders" give up their IP when they leave. she probably tried to negotiate this with Sakana but he wouldn't budge on it so it didn't go through.>Are you talking about someone in VshojoNo you fucking retard I'm talking about her own gen and the company that was backing her in Niji. and you call me a spastic.
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>>89704672Okay how the fuck is this harassment? This is just shitting up the boards which is normal. You guys do this shit all the time.ntmon
>>89704638>She didn't want to be "besties" with Matara and Mint, she never at any point said this. She just wanted to clear things up with her because she felt apologetic towards Matara for what she did. She never at any fucking point said she wanted to be friends with Matara.NTA, but what the fuck are you talking about? Are you high or something? She tried repeatedly to get Matara and Mint's attention after Matara patched things up with her, until she eventually gave up because it was clear they weren't interested
>>89704820No she didn't, at best she commented on a couple of their tweets and that was it. This is all in your head anon, log the fuck off.
>>89704787He doesn't harass vtubers by posting /here/, genius. He tweets at them on twitter. This image is him bragging about making different generals seethe through his bait posts in there.
>>89704955Sorry he tweets at the anonymous posters on twitter and that'ssss bad? Bruh I'm so fucking lost lmao
>>89704638>She never at any fucking point said she wanted to be friends with MataraAlright then. Then don't fucking seethe that there aren't any interactions or collabs happening.>she never at any point sent the Dragoons away from herYes, she fucking did. Don't lie.>she doesn't want people following her because of her controversy, she wants them following her because of her contentHow the fuck would one even discover her for the first time as a newfag vtuber fan? Of course it would be through the fucking controversy. >is common fucking knowledge that "phase invaders" give up their IP when they leaveThe only one who left was Yuri, she was terminated because she tried to fuck Fishman out of his money. She sold her own IP for a one-time payment. It's literally unknown who else from the Invaders has done this, if anyone did. Yuri is used by Phase antis as a weapon pretty much all the time. You are ignorant.>back in NijiNobody fucking asked. Reiterating that Nijisanji fucked her over is pointless, everyone knows that shit.
>>89705070Nta but you're either ESL or retarded, possibly both.
>>89704930>at best she commented on a couple of their tweetsAnd that doesn't count in your schizo head as "trying to get their attention" how, exactly?
>>89704930>https://x.com/search?q=(from%3Asayusyn)%20(to%3AMataraKan)&src=typed_query&f=liveA couple? I honestly don't know why you're pretending like Sayu didn't want to be friends again with Matara. You just had to see her stream after coming back from the con, talking about how much she loved her and how happy she was that they made up
>>89705070>Hate tweets at other vtubers and spread rrats about them on twitter.>Comes /here/ to bait post sayu in the generals.Get it yet?
>>89705256And the best part that not even two days later she got one-guy'd on stream again and unloaded on the poor bastard again.
>>89704035not my problem
>>89692530Its not racism moron, I'd have no issues if it was a corp based in real china (Taiwan) but every corpo in ccp land has some connection with the government which I don't want to support in any manner.
>>89700830You see, Sayu's idea of "company that sees any value in me" is:>company has zero rights to my IP, I control it fully, they don't own anything>company can't attempt to control my other vtubing activities or demand certain participation or behavior>company constantly seeks out new great opportunities for me while I don't have to fucking ask for anything, only tell them if their idea is fine to me>company creates entire gen for me where I am the only one in charge of selecting who will be a part of it among my friendsAnything less than that she doesn't consider worth sparing a single thought.
>>89698472>fucking move on dipshitthis coming from a sayufaggot is rich
>>89699553>Because it is?"she never burned bridges!!" "here's a bridge she literally burned" "that bridge deserved it!!"unironic narcissist's prayer type bullshit
>>89708455I know you're trying to make this angle seem unreasonable but companies like 3am Vshojo and Mythic are the future of vtubing, and NOA looks to be one of those. 50% total revenue cuts seen in Holo Niji Phase and the now dead small corpos are a thing of the past.
>>89708907I'm saying that Sayu's standards are absolutely ridiculous and her>This company is one of the few that saw value in meis an exaggeration which looks like emotional defense of her personal decision and not an accurate description of reality. One could call it pitybaiting, personally I think she was simply feeling mentally weak at that moment and vented too hard.As for the state of industry, if a company doesn't take big cuts, it won't have money for proper growth and it won't be able to offer much support to their own talents.
>>89703948>But then, one day, Sayu casually mentioned that as a kid, she was a compulsive liar and would lie about literally everything. It’s such a strange thing to admit, but it does make you understand her behavior a little better>Then, you start noticing bigger red flags, like how Sayu suddenly said Quinn didn’t dox her, despite previously alluding multiple times to him being a terrible person and being fine with her community hating him.I am unironically waiting for the day it turns out she was being a bitch to her Niji wavemates behind the scenes and that's why they turned on her so hard. I wouldn't even find it surprising at this point.
>>89709326Why wouldn't a chink value a longstanding Mihoyo creator? That it makes them biased towards winning over her is pretty obvious.>As for the state of the industry..That line of reason died in that past 2 years of corpo decline and implosions. The two corpos left are HoloEN still reliant on its much bigger JP titan instead of nurturing homegrown appeal abroad, and Phase who owes its entire relevance from the early on indie-like actions of its rabbit, rather than whatever ""proper growth"" techniques the fish CEO thought of.
>>89690088>Sayu joins a corpo with old friends, works hard on her mental health, generally seems happy>This makes antis upset. Why don't you come back when she actually does something?
>>89710210>works hard on her mental health>>89690351
>>89710266You're the same kind of brownfeet that got pissed at Fauna telling you you weren't friends, huh?
>>89710370Not really, I just find it funny how every time someone says Sayu is "working hard on her mental health" she has a new menhera moment
>>89710463It's not a menhera moment to tell people not to coddle her. She's done the research and she seems fine with it.
>>89708455Yes, because she doesn't want another Nijisanji
>>89710115>Phase owes it's entire relevance to PippaIn the starting year maybe, but Phase has a handful of 4views and high 3views now.
>>89708455Congratulations! You found out what an agency is!
>>89709853Of course you would, sister
>>89690088You can't fall from grace if you never had any grace to begin with.
>>89690351Based. I hope this will kill sayufags once and for all. One of the most insufferable "fanbases" (let's be real, she didn't have any actual fans, just niji antis that took her side because niji bad). Almost worse than fagoons.
>>89710639But those others would never have had the chance to take off without the yabbit bringing in an audience of some sort, as cancerous as it is.
>>89710572>Or if you actually care, how about doing or saying something that would make me happy, rather than what would make YOU happy?It's totally a menhera moment, but you do you
>>89709853Given she completely ignored this incident, I wouldn't be surprised if she's in Kotoka or Hex's position slandering her new genmates in the future
>>89690088Who cares at this point.I left after she called sincroknights "terminally online losers" and went to watch Mint. Someone who doesn't freak out at her fanbase every other stream.
>>89711196Yes, but now that cancerous audience is still mostly watching Pippa. Most capipi's don't watch the other girls.
>>89710572>She's done the research and she seems fine with it.Sayu is a shitty researcher then.
>>89705091>How the fuck would one even discover her for the first time as a newfag vtuber fan? Of course it would be through the fucking controversy. ... She's a variety streamer with a heavy emphasis on gacha and long Action/strategy games. She left Niji with exactly the same size audience as she joined with, minus connections that the drama severed for her, as she joined as a mid-high 3view who was generally well liked and respected by the community. She's known for being brutally honest, grinding games on high difficulties, streaming for so long that you can always catch her no matter your time zone, and being extremely passionate about hoyo games and Fire Emblem. Just because you only get your twisted info from /here/ doesn't mean that she wasn't decently successful before, and still able to tap into her positives now.
>>89711571this was the woman who scouted Sayu too lol
>>89690351>>89690088just waiting for her to fail and start to sell her body
>>89710115Do you even watch vtubers? There's plenty of EN corpos doing decent, like Vallure, the Brave company corpos, and Pixel Link.
>>89713676NTA but none of those would let her join with her IP and let her have full control over her content. The only actual agencies in the sphere right now are Vshojo, Mythic, and I think 3AM? Is that what it is? Nearly all of the other corpos either force you to use their IP, rarely absorb other people with their IP intact (Phase/Idol invaders), or are just too small to hold a 3-4view (though you could argue that for NOA right now since Sayu's by far their biggest talent).This is an agency that can realistically get her in touch with the devs/sponsorships for the games she likes, give her access to tech she wouldn't be able to get otherwise, and won't force her to change everything for them.
>>89692472That other anon is schizo but shut the fuck up Armcha1r and quit grifting off of Sayu and Gamergate.
>>89703948I'm in this wired zone of liking Sayu but also believing what you're saying. It's also helped along with Sayu admitting she had mental health/unaliving issues before Niji . Also if you believe the narrator of all this stuff it doesn't explain why for example so many v-tubers still like and interact with Quinn or why a lot of the ex-niji v-tubers don't reach out to Sayu like they did for Doki/other ex-niji vtubers. Doki also didn't want to reach out but we still have this difference.Still I recognize that this thread was made to seethe at Sayu after a successful night. I think this opportunity is a good one for Sayu to help solve unresolved feelings and wishes. I hope it works out.
>>89699602This literally doesn't refute anything the other poster said, just that she's doubling down on her choice.
>>89711196Pippa isn't all of phase retard, you don't blow up as a corpo solely because of one person.
>>89720061>you don't blow up as a corpo solely because of one person.Who's gonna tell him?
>>89690194spot on
>>89690351Piprup approved this opinion
>>89690524I heard its Piprup
>>89699399Nice try Piprup
>>89690088Joins chinese company and get genshin like model but no BiliBili Stream?
>>89711338This is so spot on. I have a hunch that she always wanted to be a head honcho but she was too small to be one in Vshojo / Phase.
>>89708455No wonder Sakana rejected her
>>89694212still not him, you pedo fuck
>>89699779>the NOA thing is very recentonly for those not in the know.
>>89725560she's done some announcement videos on it back during that gigantic bilibili world expo thing where everybody (except nijisanji) was involved and Vedal/Filian started uploading content there, but nothing since as far as I know. I think Vedal rose to become quickly one of the biggest chinese vtubers or something from that.
>>89690351I thought OP was exaggerating but this is mikepilled for sure
>>89725738Sayu rejected him, retard.Lisa also rejected him.Shondo also rejected him.everyone outside your bubble hates your shit corpo and the fish fuck.
>>89701786Quinn was deemed to be an unreliable source by /news/.
Holy fucking WORDS. I swear 95% of Sayu's viewers are menhera women because you Anons simply cannot make a concise point, it's always a 1500 word fucking emotional essay.Just look at this thread, it's insanity.
>>89727472Believe it or not, it's actually primarily older, often married men.
>>89703948I was like "proof next thread?" until> there’s all the Piprup stuffstopped reading there, pedo. he might be an adult now, but you stalked him for god knows how long before that, therefore you're a pedo. kill yourself.
>>89727655Menhera feminized men then. Regardless the people ITT really need to learn how to make a point and not emotionally prattle on until their fingers cramp.
>>89707509>rEaL cHyNaH>>>/pol/
>>89727774Maybe? Most of the viewers in chat are pretty chill and often working people tuning in during/after work. These are usually the same people who've stuck with her all this time and have incredible several year sub streaks.
>>897278141989 tienanmen square protests
>>89714391I'm not a content creator you turd.
>>89727910you think you got me, but actually, denying genocides done by oppressive regimes is a crime here. that includes the Holodomor, too, by the way.>Verification not required.
>>89728074Truth be told I wasnt even the guy you were replying to and I dont really care about China. I just think its funny you all got rolled by tanks and cant talk about it. And it wasnt even that long ago.
>>89728180>and cant talk about it.how ESL are you?
>>89728353Not at all I just think you're lying and on a vpn
>>89728444no, I think you're trying to bait me into saying something that could be interpreted as genocide denial by our court system European>Verification not required.
>>89728970Whatever you say, Zhang
>>89729529you don't even have a foreskin, amerilard
>>89720061She's still very much the poster child of the group though.
>>89690351She's onto something here
>>89734290she's not even talking about fans, unlike what the anti wants you to believe, but tourists coming out of nowhere to concern troll.
WHY DO HER BOOBS MOVE LIKE THAT
>>89727472Phoneposter get the rope.
>>89690088Sayu Neverending White Cock Story. Hail ABG Little Boobs So Good. She is extremely beautiful. I can see the quick in the jiggle of the hard body tits midplaps. The squeal of tight in the semi-painful release and rescue from the despair of final sexual infuriation. Imagined Master of the spirit of the Divine Fuck and Cum emergest from great chastity- Victorious. The spirit to smile and cumcumcumcumcum again. Always raise her up in every thread. To Victory.
>>89735158Oykeli is unrivaled at animating faces. Boobs? Apparently not so much.
>>89735236there's nothing wrong with her boobs, cunny chaser.
What if Sayu become the bully now?
>>89735385I'm fine with her having tits. I just think they're too loosely weighted. They rocket all over the place.
>>89735230Sayu is so ugly I don't even think yellow fever can save her
>>89690088What grace? She was a runt in Nijisanji EN, there's hardly some grand distance to fall from there.
>>89735589>uglybut enough about you, finana.
>>89735589She is very very pretty and utterly adorable. I would sincerely rub her raw just right the way she has always dreamed of, and condition her to cum to the sensation of fucking cum warming her deep within.
>>89710668Agencies aren't normally built around the whims and preferences of a single talent.
>>89735230>>89735732You cant say this after seeing the face pic she put on her actual twitter.
>>89737271>company has zero rights to the IP of the client>company can't attempt to control activities or demand participation or behavior>company seeks out great new opportunities while you don't have to fucking ask, as that's part of the contractThe only thing an agency doesn't do is the gen thing, which is just bullshit seething anyways so it's moot. All of these things are literally the point of hiring an agent or joining an agency like Mythic, Vshojo, or to an extent NOA.
>>89737331Agencies don't normally seek out opportunities for the talents to the extent Sayu wants.
>>89737420They'd better. Or else why are you even paying them?
>>89737625You get what you pay for. There's a reason why corpos take a big cut.
>>89737686Yes, in an ideal world. Unfortunately, in the one we live in, the only two vtuber corpos that actually earn their cuts are Holo and Vshojo. NOA's still untested, but we'll have to see.
>>89711571Isn't this a clear red flag?
>>89708455Which company is like this? I am 100% sure even Vshojo is not like this. NOA is even more doubtful
>>89738687Sayu saying it was a deal so good it looked like a scam? Red flag. All the members randomly getting leaked? Red flag. The owner and staff being connected to a black company? Red flag. The person who scouted Sayu showing up here to explain they weren’t a black company? Red flag. The agency randomly firing and publicly shaming a talent? Red flag. Most of the talents dropping out? Red flag.The same person who recruited Sayu (and came here to defend the agency) quitting, regretting getting anyone involved, and then denouncing the agency as a black company? That’s more like a headshot to the face with a bullet painted red.
>>89738807At this point, I wonder if when Sayu said she had "done her research" what she really meant was, "Yeah, they’re shitty, but at least they won’t fuck ME". If that’s the case, it makes her a total hypocrite after spending the whole year framing her termination from Niji as a consequence of "doing what’s right"
>>89738807at least you learned how to reply to posts, Quinn, but /news/ deemed you completely unreliable, and the fact you're shitting on my oshi now just proves it further.
>>89738113Yeah, there isn't too much to draw data from, especially since second biggest corpo definitely doesn't deserve the cut they're taking and who the fuck knows what they're wasting it on, we as fans certainly don't see that.>>89738764NOA is like this according to what Sayu said. Personally, I have doubts.
>>89739661Are you a schizo?
>>89690088>The Mikeneko of EN vtubingdookiebird. both successfully grifted for years.
>>89692012Mainly because her ex-husband is a celebrity.
>>89692012>>89741661Yup. mfmf is a bigger celebrity than any vtuber in the world.
>>89742856Wait, is he THAT big? I knew some of his songs, but all the background I had was that he's just 'some weird dude that looked like an alien in highschool which made others bully him so he started writing angsty songs'.
>>89743059I don't know what happened that he stopped growing on YouTube because he's still "only" at 3.5M subs. Only gained 40k subs over past year, from 3.54M to 3.58M. He was above Gura 2 years ago iirc.
>>89690351panders join to dramafags turns around and joins a chink company.. wny is she like this
>>89735418She's certainly in position to do so if we were to believe her words but I hope it won't come to this.
>>89746212she joined the corpo with two *old* friends who stuck by her side when she was unpersoned by niji. unlike what catalog turds would have you believe, she values her friendships, so it won't come to this.
>>89690088>Is there anyone else who had such a fall from grace?No, because only mikeneko is mikeneko and there's nothing in common.
>>89748102it's not nice of you to steal my post kek
>>89748102god that looks so fucking good
>>89748102God, she's so tiny.
>>89691200Sisters have relentlessly been after her after she aired Nijisanji's dirty laundry and exposed them as a black company. They're even more obsessed with her than Doki.
>>89691200Sisters have hated her since she got terminated as Zaion and subsequently released her document. Dramafags just like how she was always causing drama for a while when she was at her lowest.At this point it's sunk cost and both of them don't like the idea that she's getting better again.
>>89749538>casually mogs every other live2d in existence
>>89749465She sure is getting better >>89690351
>>89749538That's a fucking horrible design
>>89748516imagine picking her up and throwing her into a trash compactor
>>89708455>while I don't have to fucking ask for anythingshe literally needs to take advice from claude fucking clawmark, if there's something you want to do you can just fucking ask how fucking hard can it be
>>89711338Except in that case, I won't have the rotting suspicion that the person in question actually did something to deserve it. ... Well, maybe "deserve" is too harsh a word, but bring it on themselves.
>>89691200She decided to admit that Quinn was innocent but that she knew that for years. But still thanked her community for harassing the shit out of him because it makes her feel "special"
If I were Sayu, I would simply not go insane.
>>89750452Oh, she can ask. However, she is a woman - and that's why she won't. You are supposed to read her mind and provide her anything she wants without her having to ask. Her idea of working for a company is for her to be treated like a holy princess.
>>89750593Then she privated the account because people were very mildly calling her out for encouraging her insane fans (with such horrible zingers as "you shouldn't have posted this" and "why are you like this"), meaning the post vindicating Quinn isn't even online anymore. Sure archives exist, but her insane fans are unlikely to stumble upon those. And then her insane fans and everyone else sucking up to her drove Quinn out of vtubing because they refused to understand that he might have reason to be upset with how he'd been treated. What a nice person!
>>89750177found the homosexual (derogatory)>Verification not required.
>>89709853I'm a bit late but there's a good chance this is what really happened. Sayu never mentions in her doc why everyone suddenly stopped trying to reach out to her, if you listen to what Kotoka said she talks about how funny, creative and talented she thought Zaion was. She praised her a lot and the only thing negative she ever said was that she couldn't exactly wish her well at the time and that came from frustration and grief. She and the rest of the people had told Sayu/Zaion multiple times she was flying too close to the sun but she kept doing shit that she knew would get her in trouble, which sayu admitted to in her doc. Kotoka even continued to try to be friends with sayu behind the scenes for a while but couldn't because of some circumstances that neither party talks about but coincidentally the same day that Sayu talked about how Kotoka stopped reaching out, Kotokas dox was published and heavily spread around. Even after that though Kotoka still spoke positively about her. Meanwhile Sayu talked about how Kotoka was a backstabber and a bitch. I've tried getting into her post Niji because I wanted to believe that there was some redeeming qualities but every other month she has a schizo attack about her fanbase and has continued to praise and respect people who have attacked people both inside and outside of her community. I don't think she's a terrible person but I think she needs help and I don't think that joining a corporation where she's literally their biggest talent will help.
>>89750991It's the kind of design that looks fine in static illustrations but completely falls apart in L2D because it’s ridiculously overdesigned and overly distracting. You can barely make out what’s going on with her face, the armpit looks awful, the face is out of proportion with the head and body, the wings are ugly and distracting, and the shading is just plain bad.Even ignoring all that, I have no idea what the theme of her design is supposed to be. Is she a fairy? But then you’ve got the headphones trying to mimic the fox ears from her original design, and a massive neck shackle that feels out of place with everything else. It’s like three different concepts were thrown together with no effort to make them cohesive.And yes, I’m sure this was intentional, and that Sayu had a big hand in the idea, but honestly, she should shut the fuck up and let the artists do their job. This is a fucking horrible design for a vtuber.
>>89690088roaches are hard to get rid of
>>89751569I think it's supposed to be a techno fairy
>>89751519That's an awful lot of assumptions in favor of Nijisanji, completely ignoring the context of what we know happened.
>>89751569yep, homosexual. called it!
>>89751826That eye is way too bright. Can't see anything else.
>>89751569>And yes, I’m sure this was intentional, and that Sayu had a big hand in the idea, but honestly, she should shut the fuck up and let the artists do their job. This is a fucking horrible design for a vtuber.This reminds me of that time she revealed her new summer outfit and got unironically mad at some random guy in chat who pointed out that one of her boobs wasn’t tanned and looked weird. Apparently, it was her idea because that part of her body supposedly uses artificial skin or something like that. She got really salty and ended up ranting about it for 30 minutes straight while playing Mario Sunshine.
>>89751826Holy shit, I didn’t even notice the floating diamonds on her chest. What a mess of a design
>>89751767>Zaion makes rape jokes>Hex says rape jokes are trash because he himself got raped or something >Zaion gets fired >Finana says Zaion would lie to her about situations to get her support>Kotoka says she's sad that she's gone because of how talented she is but that she can't wish her well>Zaion just calls them all backstabbers directly to her audience >Some Nijis try staying friends with Sayu but all abruptly stopped after something happened including Kotoka >Even ex Nijis don't like her and ironically the only person to ever actually defend her was KyoCould it be the person with a self admitted lying problem is lying?
>>89751903that's a hologram, she lost that eye.>>89751944>and got unironically mad at some random guy in chat who pointed out that one of her boobs wasn’t tanned and looked weird.that was ironic mad you autistic fuck>>89752016go back to consooming nijislop then.
>>89752087I'm not joking, you should get raped.
>>89751767I mean there's really no ignoring what happened. What happened had nothing to do with the people that she attacked and had everything to do with management and miscommunication. But it wasn't management and miscommunication of them that got the brunt of her ire. It was the people themselves who praised her and who liked collabing with her up until "something" that she made sure not to talk about in her doc, happened. And then like I said, the person who did try the hardest to reach out to her ended up being doxed when she stopped. Almost everybody who spoke positively of her, ended up in a situation where at one point or another they were considered "backstabbers" by her. She actively encouraged her fans to harass the people that she had labeled as such and even post graduation/firing, nobody who was in the company at the same time as her wants anything to do with her. Maybe, and just maybe, the problem is her and not the other people around her.
Jesus christ the seethe in this thread.>>89691200The actual answer is that sisters have lost their final cope when Nijisanji's stock finally fell below Cover's in both price and volume, so now they've resorted to the thing they always do when they're upset: punching down.
>>89702247I was dating someone who was like this. Things would be going great, then out of fucking no where, the world is ending and they're threatening suicide and wanting to die, then within seconds, they're back to normal again.
>>89752091>go back to consooming nijislop then.Anon, the fact that you immediately start deflecting whenever someone points out flaws in the design says a lot. It’s pretty clear you don’t have any argument worth a damn. Like, for example, when someone points out that the eye is ugly and distracting, your response is...>that's a hologram, she lost that eye....what kind of answer is that? How old are you? Of course there’s a "lore reason" for the damn eye being the way it is, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s too big, bright, ugly, and distracting
>>89751519>but coincidentally the same day that Sayu talked about how Kotoka stopped reaching out, Kotokas dox was published and heavily spread around. Even after that though Kotoka still spoke positively about her. Meanwhile Sayu talked about how Kotoka was a backstabber and a bitch.Fucking seriously? Geez, now all we need is for her to have been sexually harassing Hex behind the scenes or some shit and I'll have rrat bingo.
I just hope she gets better. Like Rita, the girls who's in almost every mental health event is her genmate, I want to hope they will at least talk a lot more than before
>>89700023True
>>89751944fuck the tits, why are her front armpits not tanned? the fuck is this shit
>>89752091>that was ironic mad you autistic fuckNope, she wasn't. I remember it well because she got so salty that she made the stream awkward as hell. Then she got even more mad because she wasn’t enjoying the game and couldn’t stop complaining and ranting about how shitty it was, all while she was the one who kept fucking up.>>89752410Artificial skin. I shit you not.
>>89752344>factyou just have shit taste or you're homosexual. inclusive or, not exclusive or
>>89752216>the person who did try the hardest to reach out to herYou know, that's one single thing that has always been tripping me up about Sayu. Whenever she talks about people who used to play friends with her pre-niji but abandoned her post-niji, I can understand why she feels hurt by it but vocalizing her disdain and acting as if they now have to overcome some trials to earn her forgiveness, to keep trying until she graciously gives in and allows them to be written off the blacklist... How long do they have to do it? Nobody knows, until she feels satisfied. Maybe never.She's the only one who acts this way. She holds grudges hard and refuses to cooperate with people who don't trip over themselves to please her. I get it, life isn't fair, she was unjustly harmed... but we're talking about fellow content creators here, they have to keep up appearances too, they can't just start groveling and fawning over her - if they did that, they would harm their own reputations. They have a lot on their plates already, they have many complex connections, they are working on various projects. It simply isn't time and energy efficient to reach out to someone so needy and moody when there are hundreds of other fun streamers you could collaborate with.
>>89752410>>89752451I like the idea of the artificial skin not being tanned. It's a good idea but maybe it'd be better if there was a pattern or something like that instead of just having her boob and armpit white. Itd also be kind of neat if you saw like something glowing light blue behind the skin to kind of showcase the cyborg/technology elements
>>89752347No, not really. Each event mentioned happened weeks apart. Instead, you can line up the dates. Kotoka talked nice about Zaion roughly a month before Sayu's breakdown over kotoka backstabbing and ghosting her. No idea on the kotoka doxx or even if that's a real event, because Kotoka streamed pretty consistently throughout that entire period carefree. Sayu however, was actively and maliciously doxxed and harassed to her breaking point by angry sisters. Hex's story is shaky too since before that event, he'd never brought up the rape story, and had turned rape-themed ASMR into one of his main forms of content in the months afterwards. Not to mention the countless rape jokes told by other Nijisanji members, including Kotoka who taught a rape joke based on an actual, real-life rape story to Mysta, and then repeated it on stream for Riku.>>89752410She fixed that later. She just liked the idea of one untanned boob.
>>89752347>Fucking seriously?no. you're being fed lies. swap aggressor and victim in every statement and that's closer to the truth. see >>89752659
>>89752617She has started to do this ever since OffKai or so. She's been traveling around between cons and Japan meeting people in person to try to change their minds or reconnect, and it's worked for many of them, including Matara. For others, she's been able to work things out behind the scenes like Kenji (whose blatant misreading and viral video on her doxx heavily contributed to her label of being a pedophile/rape apologist).There's still several who've been unable to make amends, but she's definitely been trying to reach out as much as she physically can, and simply accept those who don't respond by trying to move on with her new friends like Megalodon.
>>89752659>harassed to her breaking pointShe streamed like normal, you retard. There was no breaking point >Hex lied about being rapedAverage Sayuschizo >Equates a Japanese meme created because of troll posts to Zaion saying no wonder she got raped Average Sayuschizo
>>89752802kill yourself, finana. your corpo is approaching bankruptcy, you won't do the dick sucking asmr that could keep you afloat, and you don't have any other skills.
>>89752659Believe me it was a real event, it was spread all over the board the second that it happened because the people who were still making Sayu threads at the time felt vindicated since Sayu had been doxed. The same day that Sayu talked about how she was a backstabber and stopped communicating with her, her dox was published and heavily spread around on both Twitter and the board. Even after that though, Kotoka still continued to talk about how she thought Zaion was creative, outgoing and funny. None of that was behind membership either it was literally during a subnautica stream months after that. She never broke down over it, but her dox literally did get published at the same time as Sayu claiming she was an evil backstabbing bitch
>>89752582Ok, so you don't any arguments, thanks for confirming it>>89752620>It's a good idea but maybe it'd be better if there was a pattern or something like that instead of just having her boob and armpit white. If it looks like that, it's entirely because Sayu wanted it that way. That's the problem with Sayu, once an idea gets in her head, it's over. You can't argue with her, or she'll call you out, taking it as if you're saying she's dumber than you.
>>89752861Not every /vt/ poster is finana or quinn, retard. You're not helping anyone by being actually schizophrenic. >>89752914Yeah, I'm going to need some receipts for this one, chief.
>>89752779> She's been traveling around between cons and Japan meeting people in person to try to change their minds or reconnect, and it's worked for many of them, including Matara.What? Matara was the one who approached Sayu out of nowhere, and then she ignored Sayu's attempts to reconnect after that. Why are you trying to rewrite history?
>>89752914I never heard about that supposed Kotoka dox and I was watching the board closely during Zaion's termination saga.
>>89752959nice try, finana. now rope.>>89752916there's no point in arguing with tasteless antis.
>>89752973In your retarded mind, you think Matara was aware that Sayu was at that convention, saw her randomly and approached her to talk even though she wanted nothing to do with Sayu and then never talked about it anywhere? Then she decides to ignore her like usual after this?
>>89752982That's because it didn't happen until like months after Zaion had been terminated. They were literally talking behind the scenes for a while and then the day of the whole >Backstabber Comment, Kotokas dox got published. It was posted in catalog threads as well as /nijien/. Kotoka previously had been thought to be undoxable since she was living in Japan and seemingly came out of nowhere
>>89753072Sayu herself said that Matara was the one who messaged her out of nowhere to have lunch and patch things up. Maybe you should watch streams? >Then she decides to ignore her like usual after this?You can check all the tweets Sayu sent her after the con. Matara was only interested in burying the hatchet and moving on.
>>89753147>>89753193Certainly, you have some receipts for these wild claims?
>>89753032>there's no point in arguing with tasteless antis.Anon, I swear you sound like a 10yo who got caught saying something dumb and doesn't know how to respond. I really hope you're underage, because god help you if you're an adult
>>89753265>Certainly, you have some receipts for these wild claims?You can watch the beginning of the stream Sayu did right after meeting with Matara. As for the tweets, they were already posted earlier in the thread >>89705256
>>89753348Well, yeah. We know that Sayu just wanted closure, which she was able to get. We also know that Sayu had no way of contacting Matara in the first place as she was ghosted and blocked on all forms of media. Around that time, Matara also unblocked Sayu, which implies that either she was baiting a response, or messaged her first. There's no real way to tell which happened. The thing you're implying though is that Sayu somehow wasn't connecting and reconciling with others starting at that same con, when we have several people she met and later connected with offstream, boosting her mood for the next several months and triggering her first real signs of recovery all year. That's the part I have issues with, not so much that Matara may have contacted her first and offered to meet up at Offkai.
>>89753641>The thing you're implying though is that Sayu somehow wasn't connecting and reconciling with others starting at that same conNot really, I specifically pointed out the Matara thing because it’s just not what happened. So it’s pretty weird using it as an example of Sayu "trying to change minds or reconnecting" when she had nothing to do with it
I’m forever sad that this top tier model with surprisingly good rigging for Nijisanji was wasted on a menhera hag.
>>89749538Why did she speedrun this downgrade?
>>89753265You can find archives talking about it dating back to late June of 23. Shortly after the drunken stream Sayu made. You can find further references to it in December of 23 where it was talked about how Sayu was terminally /here/ leaking dates of graduations and talking on stream about how >4chan is the absolute truth Also talking about how her being friends with a guy who literally pay walled dox shit might indicate her attitude towards doxing others.
>>89690351Which corpo?
I can never follow these Sayu threads because Sayufags don't want to admit her flags and corpo bootlickers are on over time with anyone that has sharted on their company. All I can say is that Sayu needs to appreciate more what she has and her fanbase instead of looking at her contemporaries.
>>89754159>Talks about how bad it is that she got doxxed >Continues to be friends with someone who feels no remorse for doxxing multiple chuubas>Talks about bad it is that she got doxxed>Lets her fanbase to harass others for literally no reason to the point he quits Vtubing as a whole because of the community She deserves her life being trash at this point
We've reached the point where I don't know who's more delusional, the nijisisters or the sayufags. Congrats, I guess.
>>89754786The answer is always phasefags.
>>89754100Exited to feel her specification build, all the thrill of supercooled supersex while keeping a position of good girl. She cums like an unmedicated menhera so Much Love Sayu. <3 I'm so there."Her coffe cravings wander."
>>89755093Gonna be honest now that I see it directly, the anon talking about it being a design mess was right....I hate the antennas having super long wires, it takes away from the cyberpunk feel. I don't get what's going on with the hair ties over her shoulder either, it's a weird mummy wrap on her hair. The floating diamonds look awkward and extend too far across her body, they should start and end around her like a dress but instead they don't and just kinda float? And I get the idea behind the eye but it's so bright it's like a lens flare staring at me....It's such a good start but it's made worse by all these weird choices that seem half thought out.
>>89755658You mean like a very good boy just made a very good mess of her pussy with his long cum. IYou'e a whole new hentai game that spills out of my screen and fucks me in the eggs, Very Holy Hole. If I really do never meet up with her for CMVF she will never forget that her perfect pussy icing toy is out there forever dreaming, because i too spill over into her reading to put one on her after I put one in her. Under a November's Belt of Venus in the sky. You should consider a hoodie with no pants and bare feet model Sayuwomb <3
>>89756562Get some help.
>>89756709Christian Czech
>>89754159Sure, I'm asking you to find me some. For example, I posted one of when Sayu got maliciously doxxed. Do you have anything similar for Kotoka?
>>89753894You're right. My bad. I forgot that only one person needs to consent in order to reconcile and that discussion never involves two people. My bad. You're so right. Sayu had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Sayu and Matara met up and reconciled. Retard
>>89755093She looks like a cockroach...
>>89690088did she cheat on her husband?
>>89755093Honestly if I saw this model without context I would never guess that it is supposed to be Sayu. It is like that one time Yuri from Phase Connect had that awful boob model made and barely looked like her.
>>89758701>>89759074Sayu looked Fucked. Legs spread laying back on the white pillows bed, arms above her head... eyes rolling living daydream. MAMA plotting to make her Rich rich. Wedding photographer hired by Nekomata Okayu to watch and wait in the cat chair cuck hair. The production in the photograph's presentation is exquisite. Sayu and The Deep Dick.
>>89758738That's a new one, but no.
She's friends with Froot?
>>89701255>>89703948This. All of this.
>>89757706Nice try moving the goalposts, but let's go back to the original sentence that I had issues with:>She's been traveling around between cons and Japan meeting people in person to try to change their minds or reconnect, and it's worked for many of them, including MataraThis sentence implies that Sayu is the one traveling the world to meet former friends face-to-face in order to make amends and reconnect. The problem here is that this anon is using Matara as the sole example, mainly because she's the only noteworthy person Sayu seems to have "reconnected" with. I can believe Sayu has made up with some former friends, but trying to frame her meeting with Matara as the result of her hard work and effort to "get better" is just plain bullshit.Now, let's revisit your own disingenuous bullshit:>I forgot that only one person needs to consent in order to reconcile and that discussion never involves two people. My bad. You're so right. Sayu had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Sayu and Matara met up and reconciled. Just a few weeks before Matara buried the hatchet, Sayu was still crying about her, about not being able to join VShojo, and implying there was someone in the agency who hated her and didn't want her to join. So, if you want to get technical, yes, you're totally right: Sayu had something to do with Matara wanting to meet up and reconcile. Matara pitied her and didn't want to keep hearing her cry about dumb shit. But that's not as inspiring as framing Sayu as "working hard, traveling the world, and trying to change people's minds," is it?Now, I know what you'll say next:>You don't know what they talked in privateOf course, I don't know, but I can make an educated guess based on how many times Sayu unsuccessfully tried to interact with Matara (and Mint) after the con. If Sayu had set up the meeting and convinced Matara to reconcile, she'd know that Matara wasn't interested in being friends again. On the other hand, if Matara was the one who set up the meeting because she was impressed by Sayu's "hard work," she wouldn't have started ghosting her right after, and Sayu wouldn't have acted like a dumb teenager who was excited to have just met the most popular girl in school. No, everything points to Matara pitying Sayu, and Sayu misunderstanding Matara's intentions, wrongly thinking she wanted to be friends againThat said, I'm not saying that Sayu isn't "working hard to improve herself", but seriously, just drop the fucking Matara topic because it's genuinely sad and gives me secondhand embarrassment
>>89759694Dude, I don't know what the hell your problem is, but get off of it. I used Matara because she was relevant as the #1 person she wanted to reconcile with publicly, and people would have no idea what I was talking about if I used one of her smaller 1-2view indies as examples. Also, you're hilarious if you think that the vshojo comments had anything to do with it considering they were the same as she was saying for months at that point, and nothing she said was untrue or even any kind of secretive. Matara didn't like her (which was public knowledge by this point) and would've vetoed anything if she even applied, so she didn't bother. If Matara was just pitying her, then maybe she would've given a shit about it back when she was ACTUALLY at her lowest instead of waiting for her to start getting better. You don't need to meet in person for a pity conversation, after all. Twitter or discord DMs works just fine. All signs point towards both Sayu and Matara being mentally ready to have a conversation again at that time. Jesus Christ, you're about as bad as the sisters with your assumptions. Sayu didn't want to be besties, she just wanted to not be ignored and get closure at bare minimum, which is the entire point of putting herself out there, you goof. She wanted to not be ghosted. I know Matara had her own issues at the time, but Sayu's #1 problem has always been how she was completely unpersoned by everybody after the termination, and how she wanted people to at least acknowledge her again. Eat shit and get over it like Matara has.
>>89760481And we're back to blaming Matara, huh? Jesus christ dude, you're beyond hope.
>>89760481>Eat shit and get over it like Matara has.try telling that to sayu kek
>>89760481>If Matara was just pitying her, then maybe she would've given a shit about it back when she was ACTUALLY at her lowest instead of waiting for her to start getting better.This is the most amusing line of the thread imo.
>>89761248I don't know how on earth you got that from that message, but I guess it was my fault for arguing in good faith.Godspeed, and good luck on your english lessons.
>>89760481>I used Matara because she was relevant as the #1 person she wanted to reconcile with publicly, and people would have no idea what I was talking about if I used one of her smaller 1-2view indies as examples. I know, and that's exactly what I said. That’s my entire problem: you’re trying to use Matara as the main example of "Sayu working hard", when that’s just false. It’s not even debatable. You want to prove that Sayu is doing better? That she’s making an effort to improve herself and reconnect with people? Cool, go ahead, but stop making things up and trying to rewrite or reframe history to make Sayu look better. If she’s really made so much progress, there’s no need to keep using her meeting with Matara in such a disingenuous wayAs for the rest of your post... it’s pretty funny how you’re ignoring the fact that Matara went back to ignoring Sayu right after their meeting. So spare me this "Sayu and Matara being mentally ready to have a conversation again at that time" bullshit, because it’s honestly embarrassing for SayuLook, I’m sorry, but this is pathetic. I know you probably think I’m an anti, a shitposter, a false flagger, or just plain retarded, but I’ve been in your position before. I’ve repeated all that stuff about Sayu wanting acknowledgment and everything else. The thing is, I eventually got tired of making excuses, and I started noticing how often the community was warping reality to ignore the shitty things Sayu does and to always frame her as this innocent person who just wants to be friends with everyoneSo yes, I’ll keep calling out your bullshit whenever I see it
>>89761574Your entire second paragraph is blaming Matara. You're the one who needs English lessons if you didn't mean to convey that.
>>89761594>I know, and that's exactly what I said. That’s my entire problem: you’re trying to use Matara as the main example of "Sayu working hard", when that’s just false. It’s not even debatable. You want to prove that Sayu is doing better? That she’s making an effort to improve herself and reconnect with people? Cool, go ahead, but stop making things up and trying to rewrite or reframe history to make Sayu look better. If she’s really made so much progress, there’s no need to keep using her meeting with Matara in such a disingenuous wayKeep using? I said it once and you sperg'd the fuck out and started attacking her as if Sayu killed her dog. I'm sorry you don't like how Matara made up with Sayu, but you don't have to act offended on the behalf of people who already buried the hatchet. Keep that shit on twitter if you want to virtue signal.
>>89761735>made uplolAnon, you're the only one sperging out here while others make fun of you and one guy is desperately trying to converse with you seriously.
>>89761667No, it was poking holes in the idea that "Matara only did it out of pity," as that was far from Sayu's most pitiful moment, and as if her mentioning vshojo was some kind of trigger to cause Matara to take action, as it was just more of what she'd been saying for the past half a year at that moment.Whatever reason Matara accepted, it definitely wasn't soley out of pity or whatever kind of garbage you're peddling.
>>89761735>Keep using? I said it once and you sperg'd the fuck out and started attacking her as if Sayu killed her dog. I'm sorry you don't like how Matara made up with Sayu, but you don't have to act offended on the behalf of people who already buried the hatchet. Keep that shit on twitter if you want to virtue signal.Anon, what the fuck are you even talking about? Do you even know how to read english?
>>89761838Actually, I'm just waiting for bump limit because I'm sick of seeing retarded Sayu on the catalog.
>>89761867Do you?
>>89761838>and one guy is desperately trying to converse with you seriouslyNot anymore. I give up.
>>89690351You can tell she's still seething the other Ex-Nijis got a rocketship to the moon and she's still struggling>Even Mika got a free ride
Alright, great job girls. See you next bait thread.
Matara ghosting Sayu AGAIN is the funniest shit I have seen in a while
>>89762058Probably tonight! Who knows, maybe we'll get 5 or 8 or even 29 again.
>>89690088Just reading through this entire thread has been sad.Why do sayufans always sperg out and bite bait? You do realize you can just ignore it right and the bait makers will get annoyed and leave your Oshi alone?You're the only retards who's threads hit bump limit even though Gura, Dooby, Doki and Mint are far more popular
>>89762172Just a friendly tip: every Sayu thread will be a bait thread as long as you guys keep acting like fucking idiots who don't know how to have a discussion. At least try to ignore the comments you don't like instead of crying about them, because you're the ones encouraging the creation of these threads
>>89762243Honestly, we've tried that. It doesn't matter. What I've noticed at least is if you leave it alone, the dramastirring OP just bumps it for days from page 10. It's easier to bait it to bump limit and you'll guarantee it's gone by the end of the day. It's not exactly effective, but it's entertaining at least.
>>89761844But you didn't poke any holes in that idea? Facts are simple.Matara blocked Sayu long ago after Sayu revealed some information about her. Many considered it an overreaction at the time but as we learned later about Matara's past experiences, it was understandable in her case.Sayu kept whining and crying about it for months.Matara finally unblocked Sayu and they met up and OffKai and had a good time at lunch.Sayu reached out to Matara a bunch of times afterwards but only received a reply once.>as that was far from Sayu's most pitiful momentThat's irrelevant you ESL retard. Doing something out of pity doesn't mean doing it when the other party is the most pitiful. How the fuck did you even come up with this idiotic idea?>and as if her mentioning vshojo was some kind of trigger to cause Matara to take actionOf course it was a trigger. Every time Sayu whined about vshojo, her psychoknights would go off to harass vshojo, especially Matara. She ignored it at first but it kept happening. She was getting tired of it and wanted to end this mess.>as it was just more of what she'd been saying for the past half a year at that moment.That's precisely why you retard. Just because you let something fly once doesn't meant it will always happen. People have limited tolerance for bullshit.>Whatever reason Matara accepted, it definitely wasn't soley out of pityIf you don't like the ideait being pity then you can choose to believe it was to protect her brand, her colleagues and avoiding harassment from sayufags. Does this version make you feel better and put Sayu in better light?
>>89762243>>89762303This. The reason your general flopped is because you bite bait instead of discussing streams like most other generals /here/.Hell, you even took over the Sunny+Mogu thread just to continue complaining about Quinn of all people
>>89762397Nah, it flopped because there's only like 5-10 people who both watch sayu and visit 4chan. Her audience doesn't really overlap with this place much these days.
>>89761920I can make one later if you want.
>>89762335>the dramastirring OP just bumps it for days from page 10That's par for the course with every bait thread.Either ignore bait or spam sexo images: it seems your fanbase can't do either
>>89762494They sometimes post five AI song soundposts.
>>89762243>>89762303They CAN'T ignore the shitposters. The fans reflect the streamer, and Sayu gets constantly one guy'd by literally any random dude. Her community is the same.
>>89762494I'd rather she be gone from this site's mind entirely, rather than having any kind of general.
>>89762434Doki's fanbase is full of literal normies and her general survives perfectly fine during the slow hours until stream starts.Same with quite a few other generals.The difference is they don't bite bait and discuss streams
>>89760481>If Matara was just pitying her, then maybe she would've given a shit about it back when she was ACTUALLY at her lowest instead of waiting for her to start getting better.It's the opposite. Matara saw how Sayu is desperately trying to reach out to her, like a neighbor's malnourished dog crying at the door every time it smells you come back home. She knew she shouldn't engage but at some point she finally gave in and took pity on her and agreed to a meeting hoping to end this pathetic saga. It's the definition of pitying her.
>>89762707>Doki's fanbase is fullthat's really the difference. Sayu's relatively tiny by comparison to most communities /here/ so there just isn't anybody to post.
>>89762678>Bro thinks an ex-niji 4view who constantly posts about herself will be forgotten by the biggest discussion site for vtubers
>>89762371>If you don't like the ideait being pity then you can choose to believe it was to protect her brand, her colleagues and avoiding harassment from sayufags. Does this version make you feel better and put Sayu in better light?See? That's part of the reason I want the Matara thing to be dropped. It just makes Sayu look bad, and honestly, it makes me feel bad for her.
>>89762839I've lurked in /haha/ and /mint/ before, i can assure you there's probably way less than 20 active dragoons on this site./mint/ has threads die during SEA hours and someone has to emergency bake.That's why all this cope is ridiculous to me
>>89762707Doki has 790k subs. Sayu has 124k.Doki gained a lot of fans on /vt/ through osmosis by interacting with other nijis (back when she was Selen) and non-nijis. Zaion/Sayu never interacted with anyone who's popular on /vt/ which means other people didn't have a chance to learn about her naturally. Anons only know about her through the termination.
>>89763016When Beatani had barely 2k subs, we managed to have /yah/ created 24/7 without any issues. Just fuck off and stop making excuses.
>>89763119You're such a retard. Baetani was the most /here/ chuuba in history, of course she will have a fanbase here. Sayu was never really pandering to this place.
>>89763173And even so I can tell you that there were barely 8 active dads in the generals. So, again, fuck off.
>>89763214Why should I fuck off again?
>We can't discuss streams because Sayu is boring and there's nothing to talk aboutThere, I said it.
>>89762839>>89763016>>89763173I give up, talking to sayufans is like talking to NPCs programmed to have a victim complex about everything.Like chat like streamer i guess, enjoy the next time Sayu gets 5 bait threads and you make her look worse by exposing more information than necessary or looping nonsensical arguments
>>89763315cut4hex sister
>>89763260I mean, I know you won't, because you can't stop biting the bait. That's the issue we're talking about: it's you guys. You're even eating bait in a fucking bait thread that's already hit bump limit and is about to get archived. You guys are fucking priceless.
>>89763359I can't tell if this is falseflagging or if you're genuinely retarded.Either way, unless you stop biting bait and complaining about everything things won't get better for you community.
>>89763388Anon, at this point I can't even consider myself her fan. You should stop fighting ghosts in your head. Not everyone who responds to you is a desperate sayufag.
>>89762397/baubau/ is top5-10 speed while baiting bait and been so for more than a year.
>>89763499And maybe you should say that before inserting yourself into other conversations and make ME look retarded. Stupid anon. Baka.
>>89763651BAUBAU is a containment thread
>>89735230Bro she looks like a pug
>>89763675Yosh yosh.
>>89748102How did her fan base cope with this? I mean you just know.
>>89763858They pretend it doesn't exist and deflect the thread to phase, vshojo or nijisanji, especially quinn.
>>89762449do it lol
>>89763359i'd cut hex.............................................
>>89764185You'd give him a haircut? That's nice of you.
>>89764215imagine pinning him down and scarring his pale skin with the edge of a blade. imagine the pain on his face, and the pleasure as my pointy implement penetrates him
>>89764622That's actually hot. One scenario where Hex doesn't fill me with disgust is where he's getting harmed.
>>89764714there'll be aftercare once i'm done though. gentle loving aftercare
>>89690088I don't know who this literal who is.
>>89765231The Martyr of Vtubing.
>>89752087>Some Nijis try staying friends with Sayu >ironically only person to ever actually defend her was KyoWhat? Any more context to this?
She needs to cull down all her problematic fans especially Piprup if she wants her relationship with other Vtubers to improve. Noone wants to engage with her even though she is nice because her fans is hostile and not friendly with the other party
