Their biggest disadvantage for now is the lack of fans. Female fans are already a minority comparing to male fans, and the majority of them already went to Kuzuha, Vox and other Niji male chuubas, so it is inevitable that Cover will use Niji as example to grow Holostars, just like how Anycolor will use Hololive as example to grow NijiIt is funny to see Stars sisters doomposting about this fact and begging Cover to change their way of growing Holostars. But Niji is literally their only reference point, and other male corpos have even worse number than Phase Connect, so unless a 3rd corpo shows up to compete in male chuuba market, Cover will still copy what Nijimales have been doing, and Stars sisters MUST understand this (and I called them sisters because ironically they also have Nijimale oshis)
>>89963030that first productions all male corpo seem to be doing a decent job at inclining and they're trying a method of male vtubing where the guys DONT do mixed collabs and pander heavily to women.They need to understand what fujoshi/yumejoshis actually want.
>>89963467>pander heavily to womenSo… is it just a full on a bunch of Voxes but less menhera?
>>89963030Pretty sure they don't want the fans vox has. Stars has more of the brotuber archetype instead of thirst trap like Niji has been. I always find the gfe/bfe type streamers have the most fickle fans that will abandon them at a moment's notice so I think it's healthier this way.
>>89964260well yeah pretty much. male vtubers could learn a lot from studying japanese male hosts. make their audience feel cherished and listened to instead of just acting like the typical dudebro that doesnt give a shit about anything. but most males are too selfish to do any of that stuff so that critique will just fly into deaf ears.
>>89964276>>89964608Wait so they do or don’t do asmr bfe stuff? Either way that’s somewhat impress what I’m hearing, a small corpo actually trying to hire guys only
Holostars is a failed concept yagoo came up with years ago because he specifically wanted (and has gone on record to say as much, not just me making it up) to emulate nijisanji and have the guys and girls mingle casually. He has said that he regrets separating the men and the women. Years later, his experiment is a failure but he insists on keeping it afloat basically due to his own personal feelings. Male vtubers are simply not in the same demand as females ones, that's all there is to it. Can there be good male vtubers? sure, absolutely. Successful ones? yeah sure, could be. Not in fucking holostars. You're better off in some other corpo like other posters have mentioned here or just indie dudes doing their own thing.
There is no answer; the broader audience for them is fickle and the dedicated ones cannot make up the slack. They’ve no room to grow vertically, and their horizontal stability is failing as they continue to be eclipsed by kpop shitters.
>>89964276>brotuberThey are hated by holofans for mix-gender collabs and inviting nijisisters into the holo fandom.This isn't the time when male english fans go into Roberu's chat to spam winning son, any kind of goodwill died with Tempus.
>>89965099afaik Vox was the only male vtuber that actually pandered to females like that, which was why he got popular to begin with. A lot of male vtubers think theyre too above it all to advertise to female viewers which is why they fail unless theyre doing unique content like Vedal (and even then he's being carried heavily by Neuro-sama and interactions with her)
>>89965793>Male vtubers are simply not in the same demand as females onesFalse and Luxiem proved this wrong>b-but their numbers now are...Yeah because all of them shat the bed, were proven to be horrible people and shat on their fans multiple times until they had enough.The demand is there but it actually takes a fucking professional to carry on instead of going full twitch and denouncing the fans for everything. I've checked not Mysta and others and the demands the girl fans wanted were the same as the male fans of Hololive wants>No cross-gender unless is a huge sponsor or wide company event where it's inevitable>No letting the opposite gender interrupt a roleplay ASMR date>Don't demonize people who want CBDCT>If you gonna be gay it better be ironic such as saying ''i'm not gay BUT jojo characters got me feeling some way'' or something like that were people can just laugh and fantasize a little about itBut Luxiem destroyed all of those and went the twitch route.
>>89963030Holostars needs to pander less to the heterosexual women and more to the homosexual men.
a perfect male vtuber would have Vox's ASMR/yume/fujobaiting skills + Vesper/Ruze's tastes in games and nerd knowledge + able to COMPLETELY ignore the existence of female vtubers (like not even mention or reference them) and only talk to male vtubers. But that'll never happen.
>>89963030Omega tried to copy the niji formula of that time forcing the unity with holoEN, and it worked in some way, even if in the end it ended up causing more losses for the hololive side and almost destroyed the entire branch. Now the new management is trying to copy what worked for holoEN, but no one is really interested. I don't know what they should do, my solution is just firing everyone!
>>89963030>so it is inevitable that Cover will use Niji as example to grow Holostars, just like how Anycolor will use Hololive as example to grow NijiThat is a bad example since NijiEN has completely given up on the CGDCT market and management only cares about their male vtubers along with Elira. Cover is attempting to chase after men and women even if that balancing act does piss of their unicorns. Holostars might not have gotten the same level of success of Luxiem but they did steal a good amount of the NijiEN audience that got tired of their constant scandals.
niji literally has monopoly in the male vtuber market with a few exception, but if even neoporte can have a breakout male star while stars can’t after all the money and new hires, this means there is something fundamentally wrong with how Cover does male vtubers Cover’s whole ‘pick people with anime-esque voice and push for group unity while doing aggressive marketing’ only works with female vtuber; male viewers are naturally inclined to be hako oshi — more willing to watch other females with the same branding. Female audience has tendency to be attracted to the top talent, and niji got lucky in its early days and got a few talents with more aggressive, leader like personality. You can argue that nijiEN now has dead numbers but just by the type of talents tempus1 hired i knew they are not gonna replicate Luxiem’s success (also the hideous models, but that’s just another extra dumb thing from Cover
>>89966770The homosexual stuff is why I don't like watching them. Feels like every time I sit down there will occur at some point in time a gay moment. It's not cool, man.The only one that is safe to watch is Bettel and only when he is collabing with his real life brother.Be gay if you want, but I don't wanna hear about it when I'm relaxing after work.
>Need to pander to xyzNo they just need to stream, sure there are people at there with a certain demographic they specifically want to stream to, some have seen a fair bit of sucess in doing so, the problem is that in most things in life now it's better to be a jack of all trades than a master to one, Using Vox and Luxiem as an example and not the problem show your lack of understanding this, the moment controversies that only women would care about came out about Vox and Luca their numbers dwindled (similiar to how only men would care about a married GFE Vtuber cheating most female fans would not). Stars strenght (right now) is that they don't really seem to try to hard to pander to one demographic it's the reason that despite Niji getting a rush on them with Male ENs that now after the fuck ups they're not doing that much bettter than HoloEN males.
>>89963030The problem here is that they needed better competition before they even existed.One of the reasons the female chuuba scene has grown large and mighty is that the 1st breakout stars were Hololive with Holomyth, hate on them what you will but you can't deny that the standards Hololive upholds not only made them stand out among a cesspool of vapid 3dpds but also set a precedent for the scene as a whole. They involve themselves with far less needless drama than your average streamer and focus on making interesting and innovative content that your average western streamer didn't do at the time. Since most indies would naturally immitate what is most popular, and what was most popular was holo's above-average content, many talented people appeared and were able to be appreciated (especialy because viewers feel more inclined to donate to CCs who make more high effort stuff). Fleshies who tried to grift quickly found out they weren't gonna see the numbers Hologirls made because the commitment was expected to be high. And this all resulted in a culture that rewards quality over time and that has rock-solid fan retention.Luxiem made Male vtubers popular, but at the cost of fostering a garbage and vapid fanbase for short-term gain. They started burning bridges with the massive fanbase they happened into as eraly as 4 months into their tenure and this made a lot of potentially lifelong chuuba fans jump ship. Grifters like Hex and Kyo were handsomely rewarded for their antics while a leech like Shoto laughed all the way to the bank by easily leeching the Luxiem Hype. The shitstorm they caused with their "Parassocial Bad" while clearly yaoibaiting and coombaiting convinced a ton of people that male chuubas were just that, bottom of the barrel manwhores with nothing actualy intriguing to offer.There's almost nothing Holostars can do to fix this stigma, even if they become nothernlion tier overnight their peers wil most likely all be gtifter fuckboys yearning for fujobux. Anyone here knows that it's hard to sell people on Hololive when their exposure to vtubers was through whores like Sinder and Numi, and it's even harder to sell someone on the Stars when 99% of other male vtubers act like manwhores on steroids.
>>89969256>steal a good amount of the NijiEN audience>still sub 1k ccv
>>89965793>(and has gone on record to say as much, not just me making it up) to emulate nijisanji and have the guys and girls mingle casually. He has said that he regrets separating the men and the womenIs this the famous>I can make up shits by mixing up truth and falsehood since no one will ask for proofmove of sisters?
>>89970736>niji literally has monopoly in the male vtuber marketthe market must be fucking tiny
>>89964608Japanese male hosts literally succeed only be scamming their female customers making them give them more and more money, to the point of forcing them to take loans from shady people like yakuza or even selling organs.
>>89963030>PLAVE existYagoo had chance to make a full boyband but go with brotuber bullshit instead.
>>89976459>He doesn't know the extent of the Nijibotting
>>89965099They don't. The incubus is more "flirty" but...he's playing an incubus. Kind of comes with the territory. https://youtu.be/WVa0NTXsBHQ?t=202
>>89975767>HoloEN malesThere are no males in hololive.
>>89963030Holostars should not exist. Simple as.
>>89977223>YAGOO had chance to make a full boyband but go with brotuber bullshit instead.Sure in hindsight, but when PLAVE didn't exist when Tempus 1 debuted. Their only successful reference is pretty much Nijisanji EN, and most of their male wave went for the fujos. So it's not too unreasonable for YAGOO to target the brotuber market.
>>89973842>citing bettel when he's turned full BFE, did a yume anthem cover, sells slutty wallpapers to membersisters, and wished that his brother was 2B from nier so he could do incest with himlol, lmao even
>>89977953Well, they should have hired a bunch of bros instead of a bunch of unfunny faggots.
>>89978251I can’t imagine anyone laughing at the homostars other than their existence
>>89977732>Hololive PRODUCTIONS shortened to Holo and EN for Englishyes this is officially what all talent under Cover the corportion are called, don't try this bullshit you retarded unicorn
>>89978454Filipino men exist, and, well, maybe calling them men is a bit of a stretch.
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>>89963030The Stars just don't have the charisma to attract female audiences. They don't have "it", and they can't recruit anyone who has "it" because the Holostars don't make enough money. Chicken and egg problem.Hololive can recruit incredibly talented women because those women are making shitloads. They have their pick of thousands of auditions from all kinds of S-tier talent. What awesome dude would join Holostars to make peanuts and eat shit from JP managers?The closest Holostars has ever come to breakout talents were:>Magni and Vesperwho quit for some reason in less than 1 year>BettelWho's a burned out mess, far from full powerAnd that's it.On the JP side they have>RoberuWho's probably their most successful guy but doesn't have escape velocity to become anything more than what he is, and>Astelabout 10x too menhera and eccentric to ever live up to his potential
>>89978584HoloEN and StarsEN It's not that hard, anon. Two completely different things. Also holos for girls, stars for boys. Now if you would have said HoloProEN, you would have been on to something.
>>89978709Uh oh, you're going to make it mad.
>>89978584Sister melting down over facts
>>89963030>Female fans are already a minoritythere it is. that's the one and only issue.there's no need to change how holostars operate. you just need to change culture in the west so most white and black women would rather become fujos than date men. problem solved.
>>89966575Luxiem had heavy demand...in China and SEA. The mistake Cover is making is thinking that there's a large audience in the actual West, i.e. NA, for male vtubers. that doesn't exist, not in the numbers Luxiem tricked everyone into thinking it did. Chinese and SEA women wanted to masturbate to the white (modeled) anime boys with nice accents, that's really about it. Slim rich white guys with British accents don't exist in China and the Philippines so it's a fun fantasy.Western women don't need to masturbate to white boys, they can just go find their own.
>>89978584Nobody calls the EN holostars "Holos" or "HoloEN" except shitstirrers and nobody ever will, people have been trying to force it for years and it just ain't catching
>>89978709>it... it's just like muh hecking jim crow!god, you lot are beyond pathetic
PIC RELATED>>89965793>He has said that he regrets separating the men and the womenWhen did he say this?. You WILL give us a source for this, because it would conflict with shit I have read in the archives, that Holostars were debuted on purpose a year later after Gen 1, that they were ALLEGEDLY signed at the same time as Gen 1, no I got no source for this, if your statement is right, then that would be the ultimate blown to a branch of male vtubers Cover and Yagoo themselves screw up by not debuting them in the earlier days when holomems were nobody low-mid 3 views. If YAGOO said this like waaaaay later, like in 2020 and onwards, then it means he screwed up, and he regrets it and that feeling has been eating him for the longest of time. I remember a clip of Rushia saying Cover one day told holomems at the time “you girls are idols now”, does anyone know the exact date of this or to be more specific, when Cover exactly declared Hololive as a "Virtual Idol" agency, before the events of the first Holofest?ITT>If male vtubers aren't whores they won't suceedPretty sure it was already established, the reason Luxiem was Popular, was because their audience was majority, ESL from SEA, Chinese and Korea women, who ere into "Kpop" and that was the whole reason for their popularity.I am a man who watches male vtubers(Axel and Bettel types or just a normal dude who knows what he is doing), I have a condition for this, if they are gay faggots I may not watch them, specially if they ARE, PULL and WERE an Uki Violeta or are woketards on main. NotShinri and NotHakka are on their RM/PL and I have conflicts about this, also, something interesting to mention, Hakka is a woman panderer, he panders to their feelings, it helps him because well, he is not straight and he. I watch the FSP dudes and I can tell you there are only 2 maybe 3 hetero guys there, rests are Bi or Gay and I have no problem with this, again, the problem is when they are retarded woke faggots, not even on Uki's level but your typical Reddit/Twitter mindset and as you know, the company HAS to tell them to NOT bring that shit on the corpo models, but they can still be gay AF and talk about BL and MxM shipping that fujos and Female vtubers who would not engage with a male vtuber unless they knew they were not straight.
>>89978776Cover really should have chosen something less retarded than hololive production for referring to hololive and Holostars. Anyone who insists that the girls should be called LiveEN should die in a fire, but if you took a random person off the street and asked them to shorten "hololive production," they'd call it hololive.
>>89963030Honestly, Holostar is better than Nijisanji organs. Why? coz they're more like brothers' bond and no parasocial content, unlike Nijisanji organs they're pandering thirsty sisters with disgusting ASMR roleplay. They don't need to copy Nijisanji. You know what's the real problem in Holostar on why they're slow growth? coz lack of clippers. They need more clippers to trigger the YT algorithm. Hololive girls also had this problem on their earlier year of vtubing, but the clippers boost their subs and viewers with those viral clips.
>>89979419Hololive Production label was an attempt to conflate the two branches that more or less failed. It's pretty meaningless and only mentioned when people are trying to piss off Hololive fans or beg for Holostars inclusion.When people talk about Hololive, they just say Hololive and they mean Hololive and everyone knows exactly what they're talking about. Hololive members are Holos.When people talk about Holostars... Well, they largely don't, but if they are for some reason, they just say Holostars. Holostars members are Stars. It's that simple.
>>89979281uh oh starsister is seething as always
> coz they're more like brothers' bond and no parasocial contentThanks for the laugh anon
>>89979588It's a chicken and egg problem.Tempus 1 had a lot of clippers during their debut hype. But the number of clippers went down because the number of viewers who are interested in holostars went down, and at the end of the day, clippers need the ad money.Sure, clippers helped the growth of Hololive especially at the beginning, but they still wouldn't be popular if the viewers were not interested in them.Like Miko for example, sure the GTA 5 clip saved her career, but that wouldn't last long if Miko herself is not entertaining.
>>89963030>Female fans are already a minority comparing to male fans, and the majority of them already went to Kuzuha, VoxI get what point you're trying to make with this post even if I vehemently disagree with more fujos, but I need to tell you that you're a total fucking retard for putting people in different languages in the same market.
>>89965793>He has said that he regrets separating the men and the women.Thank god A-chan was around at the start, she saved this company.
>>89979591Here's the thing: it's only obvious when you're this deep into being a fan of Cover's talents. I've heard multiple indie collaborators refer to the Stars as part of Hololive even if they've collaborated with a Holo before and know that they have gendered branches. They're referring to Hololive Production or Cover management, but it all gets rolled into "hololive."
>>89980126Maybe. I don't think it's a real problem though. Because you don't have newbies to the fandom talking about Holostars, ever. That's like their entire problem.I go to hololive events all the time, I went to I think 4 in-person events or cons and met lots of Hololive fans. I met literally one person who talked to me about Holostars (a very nice and clearly very dedicated Holostars fan at AX, she was cute too). But that was literally it, out of probably ~50 people I chatted with this year. Nobody's really making this mistake because nobody's talking about Holostars, nobody's discovering holostars for the first time as their entry into the "Hololive Productions" ecosystem. Their little share of the fanbase is stagnant. Anyone who's only getting exposure to Holostars via indie collabs either knows what the deal is and is probably familiar with Hololive and knows it's not the same thing, or they're so casual they aren't converting anyway.
>>89976183>convinced a ton of people that male chuubas were just that, bottom of the barrel manwhores with nothing actualy intriguing to offer.They are.Male streamers succeed because they are good at 1-2 games, create a fanbase from that, and get into reaction content. Look at people like Ninja.Male fleshstreamers are carried by the game(s) they play and videos someone else made, something you can't do in hololive. When they have to come up wit h their own content, you get that.Also, Cover could do a lot to improve situations. It has nothing to do with Numi or Sinder, and a lot to do with how bad their hiring is, with how Axel like a creep in that indie gta stream, how Jurard acted.Hololive hiring policy for girls is very strict, there are no bad apples, meanwhile holostar is full of them.
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>>89963030These discussions are always retarded because aside from the fact most of it is carried by people who don't even watch Holostars, it's always done under the assumption the topic is only about StarsEN, when the problem goes back to the beginning with JP.>Female fans are already a minority comparing to male fans, and the majority of them already went to KuzuhaThis is it. This is literally all it is. Niji already grabbed the female vtuber fans before Holostars even existed (JP or EN), and those Nijifans are loyal to Nijisanji, which is why when they debut new (JP) males, they still tend to do better than Holostars. Holostars can't even take advantage of their main selling point (a male idol group) because Nijisanji started making their males sing and dance too. There is literally no more audience within the vtubersphere to grab, Holostars would have to somehow attract the attention of a completely new bubble of female fans from outside, which is just impossible. When Holostars first debuted they were kneecapped hard, Cover did fuck all to promote them and they barred them from interacting with Hololive (and they did this while some girls were still collabing with other male vtubers). By the time they lifted the ban the damage was done, a "taboo" existed, not just amongst Holofans but even outside that still kind of persists to this day. Most of the girls started switching gears with their no male stances, fostering a culture and audience who only watch Holopro for the girls and don't give a shit about men, even the ones who don't mind Holostars being there largely don't care to watch them and will only show up for special events.StarsEN doing so well in the beginning was literally only because they were being watched by HoloEN fans. Western fans are far more open to watching male vtubers and they were the shiny new thing, but just like the majority of Holo fans, they prefer the girls and will always go back to them.
>>89979591Hololive Production was created back in 2019 as an umbrella for all branches, in the beginning it included INNK Music, it wasn't about "conflating the two branches," retard.https://x.com/hololivetv/status/1201335611828817920
>>89980305By indies, I genuinely mean that I've seen the vtubers themselves shorten "Hololive Productions" as Hololive, not their fans. They know there's a difference between the girls and boys branches, but they'll still use it because they're not in this bubble and HoloPro is unintuitive, so they call them Hololive collectively. Gotta admit that I made the same mistake in the beginning and thought, "Oh, I didn't know that hololive had men."It's true that it's not that important in the end since people will just learn, but I do wonder if the confusion hurts the Holostars brand. The hololive audience doesn't want men. However, you rarely hear Holostars mentioned without hololive, so not even their target audience is going to know about them unless they had any interest in hololive itself. They have shit brand recognition as their own group.
Male vtubers will never grow unless they jew all other men until they cuck themselves into actually believing that their natural and inherently gratifying uninhibited romantic passions are bad and that being good requires them to psychologically self-flagellate themselves until they replace their bodies default emotional needs with the desire to provide for male vtubers, an irrelevant minority of psychologically manipulative parasites which claim to be 'men' while offending the idea of a man in every way. Men dont need other men to provide for them, but male vtubers try to use every trick in the book to try and bring that about(with themselves as the beneficiary and all others as the eunuchs) because they are lazy, soulless, and proud of it.At least being retarded around women especially when it comes to money is a natural state for a man, it's a core shared experience of all men. Breaking your brain in order to not just harm your own material and social circumstances for the sake of willingly giving both up to a small group of "men" but also to the point where you believe that it is in not just your but all mens personal and moral interest to be forced to reject what is actually in their own best personal interest in order to become a self-propagating servile eunuch class made of spiritually deformed men who can only break themselves to make themselves identify the acts of willing submission to that minority of "men", as well as fanatical willing self-sacrificial servicing of those "men", as being representative of their true innermost desires, because of them being twisted into believing the false conflation of the interests of that minority group of soul vampire jews as being not just the interests of men, but into believing that the interests of that group are the actual interests of men instead of the actual interests of men seen in all actual men. Male vtubers require men to do what they do because they desire women, for the sake of other men, in order to enable those other men to claim the women that the desire. And also that you be happy about it chud.it doesnt matter though because male vtubers kill themselves faster than we ever could and SEA-brown homonigs cant do shit hahahahahaha, cant believe I feel so good about being upper middle class and white nowadays and its all because of the pagstained jakartan trash monkeys presence on this shitheap of a board hahahahahaha
>>89973842Explain 'homosexual stuff' and 'a gay moment'. If it is anything below "jerking each other off live on camera" then I'm going to assume you're bullshitting.
>>89982151Holy ESL brain rot.
>>89981810This is something that even a fucking search can confirm.
>>89963030I kind of want them to exist and succeed because I want to try streaming but I want to use a vtuber avatar to remain anonymous (as much as possible) but I don't want to/can't convincingly act like a girl and use a cute anime girl avatar. I also don't like asmr and don't want to do any BFE or BFE-like content Because I've never had a successful relationship. I just want to play games and stream handcam of hobbies.I do wonder how much of a difference there would be between being a vtuber and streaming without showing a face or avatar.
>>89983249eh. as much as things will be stated in absolutes, sometimes it all depends on whathaveyou and there will be exceptions to the rule and non-vtuber related marketing tactics that work but haven't been leveraged or considered. i would suggest not worrying on holostars' success as an indie--you'll probably gain some experience and insight as a streamer that could change your mind or bring a stronger hand to the audition process if you stick with become apart of holostars
>>89977732Taco Toboggan...
>>89963030nah, shit's over for them. they have a small dedicated fanbase but that's it, no real way to breakthrough. that being said, they're doing okay if you only compare them to small corpos and startups.
>>89983589uh, I think you misunderstood me or I worded it wrong. I want holostars to succeed in the hopes of "a rising tide raises all ships." I'm a bit disabled so there's no way in hell I'd be able to do any singing and dancing unless they want to mocap some fat guy with a cane. I've got no interest in joining holostars, I'm just wondering if them being successful would make the general perception of male vtubers more positive.
FSP EN has potential to grow into that 3rd corpo for EN male vtubers. They are an all-male branch and all are 3 views. Their JP branch is mixed though.
>>89963030People need to understand that Hololive was built upon a foundation consisting of CGDCT and hot lesbian sex. Think of all the popular pairings over the years: PekoMiko, OkaKoro, NoeFure, MiComet, Marine's lust for Shuba, Matuli's lust for vagina in general, That one incident of Marine and Shion "oversleeping", Ollie's unhinged lust for vaginas, Kiara lustinf for Calli, Kiara and Reine, Kiara and Nerissa, the love triangle between Fauna, Kronii and Mumei, Kronii x Kronii and I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Do I think any of them were actually real? Fuck no, but all that matters is the illusion at the end of the day. If you can sell it suckers will buy it.My point is, Hololive pandered to men who wanted to watch cute girls lust after other cute girls. You gotta do the inverse for the guys to succeed. Get some gay guys of all kind, masculine and feminine, throw em together and watch the fuckload of fujos that show up for it. Yagoo seriously underestimates the fujo audience and it is his biggest failure.
>>89984178This is how you get Nijisisters. Do you really want to share HoloExpo with Nijisisters?
>>89966992yea i can see this one blow up. but that's too much
>>89979922no, number of clippers went down when half of their foundation fuck off.
>>89984178fujos mostly stick with niji alr. you clearly haven't read this thread
>>89963030Holostars will never grow*FIFY
>>89963030the only thing a male vtuber group can do is appeal to females / underagesthey will never get a real-ass streamercause those are just doing their own thing
>>89966992alright ive got my winning strategy as a new corpo male vtuber
>>89979120accurate
>>89963030>they dont know theres already a third corpo in the competition
>>89965969Actual hololive viewers don't care about holding year old grudges anon
>>89978197You don't watch him do you?
That one Altare tweet about him taking a break really gave the doomposters more ammo huh?
>>89963030>malesWho the fuck gives a shit
Courting female viewers is a death sentence. They will gossip about and cancel male talents to play out a sexual drama. They will turn it into a shitty reality TV show like they have done on tumblr and twitter for years now. They don't care that real people's lives and careers are on the line, whipping up yabs is how they get off.With men we just objectify women, which of course comes with it's own problems, but at the very least we can be satisfied with titties. Unhinged fujos want men pitted against men, or to see some kind of downfall take place. They want Bold and the Beautiful but real.
>>89963030Is this "TRUE BROTUBERS NEVER BEEN TRIED!" thread?
>>89989970Female schizo are loud but almost never do anything significant Male schizo actually act out
>>89990065Just watch flesh for that, male vtubers are specifically picked to have voice and model attractive to females, if you have a "brotuber" chuuba you're just a fag.
>>89963030Cover just literally had to commit to ONE concept. Either go full idol-unit, similar to now popular boy units like Knight A, or just make them more focused on variety and gaming, similar to the nijis. Instead they half-assed both and they are neither of those things. People always bring up their models and designs as an excuse for not growing when for example Yashiro has a shittier model than all of them and yet still manages to outperform the stars, because he has a clear concept and niche that viewers know him for.
>>89990095>Male schizo actually act outTrue, but they usually act out alone. Female schizos start fucked up campaigns of emotional manipulation where they lie and try to weaponise the community.
>>89963030Their female audience actually flocked to fucking twapi
>>89989567They've been eating good the last month from all the RM postings lately.Add to the fact that this one is a homostar post its going to have a even bigger effect since a number of posters larp as the "Unicorn Cabal" as well, this is just like giving them a filet mignon
Male vtubers can't really exist in the current streaming media.What makes hololive the most successfull is doing anime character roleplay, the hololive girls are LARGER THAN LIFE persona, is like gimmick wrestlers.This comes easy for the girls with the comedian/idol slice of life cute girl working well with games and talking, but the boys are different.The male anime archetypes are "action/cool" oriented, even the anime male comedians rely alot on background/setting, you can't do a "gintama vtuber" misus the fantasy stuff or a "cromartie vtuber" minus the school and support characters."Vbrotuber" males are then supposed to be a goku or naruto character, but you can't do a goku who... plays videogames? Talk?Tempus got a supposed "fantasy adventurers guild thing" but we see NOTHING about it, they are just normal gamer streamers no matter what.Vox got the job right, the ONLY real roleplay you can do as a male vtuber is the gay seducer thing for the fujos, and that's a niche market.But but but what about kuzuha? That dude is way more like a regular game streamer (as anime avatars are almost "normie tier" in japan) and his popularity is mostly about being on top the huge niji network, he can't exist in void.
>>89989970>They will turn it into a shitty reality TV show like they have done on tumblr and twitter for years now. They don't care that real people's lives and careers are on the lineis that why people use kiwifarms / etc.i never got all that
>>89965927Learn grammar please, i wonder If hololive got the same comments when they were 3views
>>89991695Seethe starsister, your homos deserve the rope
>>89977223>>89977953>>89978251>>89978454Comments like this makes me question if there's any good willed catalog posters
>>89978742Number anons need to stop acting like investors
>>89979120Why do people keep thinking holostars en was only made because of luxiem? When it's pretty clear that tempus was in the works for a while, and just because they're male vtubers it doesn't means they have the same audience, just look at their branding.
>>89963030Male vtubers are not wanted if guy like caseoh can get nominated.
>>89991994You need to stop acting like Holostars are still worth something after 5 years
>>89991695What intrigues me the most about your little rebuttal is in that you believe hoping for miracles is a good strategy for growth or longevity.
>>89992220Yeah just like earlier hololive used to get those same comments right?
>>89982157Anything that signals that they are a sexually interested in a collab partner annoys the piss out of me. It's not even just a Holostars thing. It annoys me when the girls I'm watching start lezzing out, but it's especially egregious when it's a guy doing it because when it's girl on girl I'm just a bystander. When it's a guy acting like a confirmed bachelor I'm a potential target and now I'm watching someone I've automatically mentally rejected and now it's weird.While I'm at it, even listening to people talk about the opposite sex isn't that great. I just don't care.It's like playing an RTS game and you're doing econ and military planning and the guy building Pikemen starts wondering what you're doing Saturday night.He can be gay on his own time. That's not what we came here for.
>>89992388They didn't because they were worth something in far less than 5 years
>>89992388uh oh starsister is having a melty
>>89992373I think you and i are the only ones in this thread still
>>89992438>>89992443It seems you didn't understand my comment lmao, what do i expect from a numberino?
>>89978742On paper, Tempus1 should have been successful. Everyone there had pretty good specs, as good as say, Promise. I'd say the fault comes from Tempus2 not being able to carry the momentum AND being debuted before EN3. Only Bettel seemed to be the decent hire, the rest weren't as good.
>>89990941its so funny how Vox got the formula down perfectly and decided to throw it all away because of his male ego. male ego is what's holding back male vtubing, they can't humble themselves and submit to their fans like girls do when they vtube.
>>89992519Tempus1 got overwhelming support even from some hololive fans, managing to fumble that bag deserves a prize
most Females don't enjoy the same hobbies as guys so a male vtuber focusing on doing bro things like gaming aren't going to pander to them. if you notice those fujo games, the male characters are extreme simps. for kpop they dance and sing. that's why Vox was so popular with his asmr shtick. kuzuha and kanae are the exceptions. Whereas female vtubers play games and do things that guys like to do and watch as well.
Homos are so irrelevant I don't care to be angry at them anymore but hearing about their doomposting makes me happy
>>89963030they should stop doing faggot crap and stream what normal, regular dudes stream on YT and Twitch. pandering to women is a lose-lose as a streamer since they're a minority audience. if male fleshtubers can make it as a streamer, male vtubers should too.
>>89992718>if male fleshtubers can make it as a streamer, male vtubers should toounironically not true, if you have to be a male vtuber that already makes you a failure as a streamer
>>89992664Kuzuha and Kanae probably have good looking enough models + voices to make the females that watch them feel good, the whole hot nerdy boyfriend type and all.
>>89992560Vox couldn't take that whole female pandering for long. He switched off after a long hiatus and his fans were mad and his popularity as a whole dwindling.
>>89992519losing vesper is the main reason i would say. the clown is fine, people alr hate him for dissing his mama on his PL>but menheramike cat can be stable by hololive collar, give it time and yagoo will find a way to stabilise him. the clown get problem with his personality not mentality
>>89992810>the clown is fine, people alr hate him for dissing his mama on his PLReally?
>>89992845i mean losing the clown is fine
>>89992810>dissing his mama on his PLI thought he was the good homo? That should be grounds for blacklisting
>>89992774he thought he was more than ASMR and pandering to women (male ego coming in again) maybe that's true, but he should've done that stuff on a separate account and not mess with the branding of Vox Akuma. Now this could also be because of the Selen stuff, but I rarely hear about him anymore..
>>89992187> NijiEN male audition call - June 2021> Luxiem debut - 17 December 2021>"Hololive" open audition (which end up just as backdoor for homos) - 28 December 2021> Openly calling for male candidates - March 2022 (they even called it Hololive English instead of Holostars)You would be naive to believe that Luxiem had no influence on any of Cover decisions.
>>89992388If you are under the assumption that the branch will be worth anything, despite covers relentless attempt at making them relevant for 5 years then you are coping pretty hard.
>>89992874oh shit i must have been drunk. the clown here is mag. wtf is wrong with me?
>>89992874Have you looked at his modelI'd dis my mom too if she birthed me like that
>>89992874Magni was the one who shittalked his mama/model, not Clown
>>89992986yea, idk what happening but when think of mag i think of a clown. mb
>>89981260Do you think hololive fans are this capable to stretch things out? Hololive id should be just as popular then, there's billions of people in the planet, there's audience for everyone.
People comparing ID and homos are retarded when kaela makes more than all homos combined and ID isn't actively damaging to the company
>>89992710The members aren't the ones doomposting, we're talking about the anons here.
>>89993089How is holostars damaging the Company?
>>89993094Tell that to Altare then, apparently he can’t “speak his mind” on his PL
>>89993165he thinks he's in nijisanji lol
>>89993154By being a waste of resources after 5 years… 5 fucking years and the only thing they brought are deranged sisters thinking that they’re still worth watching
>>89992928Do you really think organizing an entire branch takes only one year anon?
>>89993089Ollie is actively damaging to the company
>>89993165>>89993184Literally one thing unique to him and doomposters are already assuming it's about the whole branch, the other members aren't even saying anything.
>>89993165>Be Altare>Collab with daph early on when he still had Hololive fan tourists>ban them for complaining or teasing>Why do they hate me?I have zero pity for those thin skinned fuckers lol
>>89993190Years in this hobby and people still think vtubers are expensive to maintain lol.
>>89993247Everything gets handed to him like a silver fucking platter. 3D model, 3D studio, yet he still has the balls to complain?
>>89993275When did this happen lol?
>>89993280It’s just ridiculous to keep promoting them when it’s clear that most of the audience in hololive don’t give a fuck about them
>>89993335>nobody watches him>there's more people who hate him than fansgee I guess there's no reason to be sad
>>89993335Ah now you're moving the goal posets, he qhas his own 3D model but he has his own 3D studio, yet you're acting like this is the end of the world.
>>89993355Way early when they debuted, they had like a Twitch takeover or something. Daph was apparently racist but Magni still chose to collab with
>>89993374Why do you act like the random promo that they get once in a while is meant to be for you? Can't you just ignore It?
>>89993411It’s not the end of the world, just saying they’re a waste of space and resources. Of course a starsister like you wouldn’t understand
>>89993469I could if they kept it on their social media instead of wasting space on hololive accounts
>>89993355it was when Magni collabed had an art collab with her. He was deleting messages critiquing Daph, check archives
>>89993196No. But they weren't organized when they got launched. They were glued to HoloEN organization. The fact that current HomoEN head used to be Axel manager says everything. Tempus was rushed without proper preparation.
>>89993392hate him where? here? he deserves whatever happens to his mentality if he visits and takes anything from here seriously
>>89992560I do not blame vox about that.Dude still had to try evolve himself as the fujo niche never stick for very long and is very prone to jabs, he just wasted a extra year or two of full milking the female fans and overstimated his viability to go brotuber.The correct way was to go full singer/male idol but that's beyond ninjien scope.Vox was doomed anyway.
>>89993496Ok secret coverman, tell me how much "resources" they actually waste?
>>89993355Extremely early on. We hadn't established a consensus on Holostars yet. This was around the time they were blocking people on the holo sub and shutting down the discord for people complaining so nerves were kind of already frayed.Nobody likes to get muted, right? We can all agree there.So in the middle of Cover telling everyone to shut the fuck up Magni and Altare have a collab with a woman flesh streamer. We mainly complained because it was breaking the whole walled garden thing and we didn't know who the Holostars were yet. So naturally you complain. Altare banned a lot of Hololive tourists. Unsurprisingly they didn't come back and word spread. Nobody is going to risk their Google shit getting algo marks because of these two strangers.Then after the fact we found out daph is kind of an ass so nobody went to check her out after either. It was a loss on all sides.Don't cater to the West and tell us to shut up. If there was a worse first impression you can make I'm struggling to find it.
>>89993528Looking at his efforts on the AR live, he is not fit for the Idol route.
>>89993519This is debunked by the fact that magni said Omega was not their manager
>>89993542Enough that models, merch, advertisements need to be paid. You can say all you want that they’re needed but if they can barely pull in their own audience in the JP branch then why did Cover even bother making StarsEN in the first place?
>>89993751so you don't have any actual numbers then, ok this entire convo is meaningless
>>89993689Well obviously. Omega was on higher position than mere manager. (He was also saying his, heavily implying he means personal manager)And it doesn't disapprove anything.
>>89993925If any holostars en was actually managed by holo en staff then managers like gorimane would have been brought up by holo en members wouldn't they?
>>89993512Hololive en account tweeted about holostars way before tempus existed
>>89992937I'm not the one making catalog bait threads about people i don't watch
>>89994314So what? We can’t shit on them for fun? You must be fun at parties
>>89993925I didn't know that there is actually a person behind omega, thought he's a mascot.
>>89963030If holostars had another name and were simply under cover instead of holopro production it would actually make things betterBut now it's too late for that change
>>89994498If omega was a mere mascot, they wouldn't private his account and erase him from existence since someone else (Jap) would fill his role. Mikodanye is a mascot. I'm sure the puppeteer behind Mikodanye changed over the years, but the character remained.
>>89994850I'm not so sure. I see things like Regloss and Devis and all I can think is that it's hard to keep track of them. It's like watching a movie series and instead of Halloween 1 2 etc it's some random "catchy" title.>>89994498I did too so I started making memes (as you do) because I was annoyed with Cover for reasons I've forgotten. Instead of striking against a concrete wall like I thought I was doing someone got upset.I'm pretty sure the guy started his own Vtuber studio but I haven't heard anything other than a blip on the radar.
>>89994850The most retarded thing they did was to think that Holostar was just like Hololive, and that the Hololive audience would watch whatever Cover put out. but i think starEN and HLZNTL alr teach them a lesson
>>89995053Yeah I'm pretty sure most fans are following the journey of one or two Vtubers and its a neat treat when certain ones play together.Lose that specific talent, lose the fans following that talent.Not saying they'll follow that talent (Magni) but if the story ends they'll pick up a different one.Cover would probably benefit if they treated each streamer (boys and girls) like they were watching over their personal Ash Ketchum on a Pokémon journey and treat it like that. Everyone wants to be the champion but no one abandoned Ash as he lost almost every league he fought in.They left when they switched to that weird art style and became something else. Entirely neutral on it just using it as an example.
>>89995053Then what are you anons still complaining about?
>>89995427nothing, this is not a hive mind, im not the complain anon
>>89995452>Anon isn't part of the hive mindAssimilate. Assimilate.
>>89992773Kuzuha and Kanae heavily pander to fujos that want to watch them flirt and do things together, not yumes looking for BFE. But they're popular because they manage to balance out variety and idol content with their regular gaming streams, so there's people in their audiences that watch them for different reasons (people that want to watch them tryhard tournaments, but also people who want to watch them sing and dance, etc). Even when they have a concert to practice for, they still stream nearly daily and often it's for long hours too.
>>89963030A shota gen would save holostars.
>>89998131it would turn even more people off I think
>>89998309What girl would hate Shota?
>>89998340I mean isn't that what Flayon was supposed to be?
>>89998593nah, astel would fit it a bit better but still not quite.
oh shit i think i know what altare thing was about. bro is a kamala voter.
>>89963030They have gotten so many chances and opportunities to grow. Its about time we delete this branch
>>89984178I don't watch any of them for the yuri nonsense. Outside of when its a good joke, its mostly just boring or even annoying
>>89999448God all this shit. Then sisters still imply that they’re treated unfairly
>>89999448THIS IS ALL NORMAL MERCH AND VIDEOSNONE OF THIS IS SPECIAL
>>89964260Vox did not avoid female collabs though, like not at all, I think that’s a big reason why he declined so much
>>89992810>mike cat can be stable on hololive’s collarOk, and where is she now anon?
>>90001673What's funny is if you wear a wedding ring girls will flock to you but if you act like a single dude around women they scatter.No one wants to watch a guy strike out. It hurts on a primal level. Girls however love trying to tempt that celibate priest or that devout married husband and the drama that follows.Why? I don't know I'm not a woman.Besides even all of that aside Korean men are super popular with Korean women. Same with the other assorted Asians they hire. Shocked and appalled they're having trouble getting Western woman to pay attention to them.What's worse is they put hard money blood and sweat into this too like they legitimately don't understand why things are the way they are.
Just got here and after reading the convo here the few people discussing it in good faith ended up falling into the same trap most arguments of this nature fall into. Usually it's a fools errand to even point it out, too, because the framing that causes the blindspot in the first place makes the conversation itself antagonistic towards accepting the certain problem I'm talking about as being something that actually exists.That problem being the fact that maxims that usually go something like>ignore the schizos, do what you choose to they dont matter, etc etc etcin conversations /here/ almost always end up being taken for granted and treated as all-encompassing principles during thls same conversations, in order to conviniently and cleanly handwave away having to involve the very real risk of damage to ones prospects as a consequence of backlash. Every industry in the world is aware of this, too. My point is essentially that if anybody wanted an actually meaningfully long term strategy that succeeds, it can't be a strategy that wholesale ignores the significance of risk mitigation. A sstrategy that ignores something in spite of it existing is doomed to run into reality eventually.This was a broader point earlier, but there were some posts ITT as I read that pointed to what could be portrayed as a lack of brazenness as the issue preventing their success. But that point feeling so compelling is only possible because these conversations(in my experience) push participants from easily acknowledging the elephant in the room; you can't actually zero out schizos. You can only ignore them...but only until you can't. Anybody anywhere is only "immune" to a certain scope of negative reaction and under; should the reaction exceed that scope(a much more common event than people realize- there is a reason every company on earth puts massive shares of their total wealth into the departments which are capable of influencing the impressions people have about them through various different methods), you start encpuuntering the very real destructive feedback that comes with being overwhelmed in some way by a group of actors who wish to cause harm to your prospects(at the very least, lol) The schizos don't matter until they do. It's not like this is a foreign concept for even this same exact topic, either. There are more than a few times that EN Holostars did brazen things in the past, and the situation that unfolded not long after is a story everybody knows. In the end, this is just a very long winded way of saying >respect the place you're in and the people thereWhich is all nice and easy in principle for most, but if you ever try to remind anyone that that idea extends to the "schizos" of this niche subculture it ends up being a brick wall most of the time because people simply aren't comfortable with admitting that those "schizos" are still real and that they are a piece of the puzzle too.TL;DR Crashing before you succeed is quite detrimental to success. Risk mitigation is important. Yet I don't think the conversation around male vtubers is willing to accept that, not in full. And that's their problem. But don't misunderstand, it is absolutely a problem for them.
>>90002289she did some stupid shit and hololive released her back into the wild. she would die to get back to that collar.
>>90002846i think i hate falseflag more than schizo. schizo is consistent, falseflag would pose on all sides and be harder to detect
>>89976878Finally, my time to shine
>>90002846Sounds right.Something I've noticed is that non Americans are a lot less resilient when it comes to jeers and banter, and that's a bit deal when it comes to the West. Even worse this is one of the places they ego search and when you're fresh to the clover fields we probably look like leather skinned monsters or a tattooed bearded bikes taking out the trash for his mom before he goes off riding with his buddies.
>>89999448I think you forgot the time square takeover that they promote on the main twitter channel for a week.
>>89963030I feel like Stars could be better to watch if they scrap them livestreaming and instead have them pump out good old-fashioned videos like how vtubing used to be. But, instead of skits, they could do something like gaming videos or w/e niche they'd like.
>>89998131Only if one of them is a trap
>>90004296that sounds like a good idea. most of the popular male vtubers that dont fujobait are putting out video content. it'd help carve out a niche for them too
>>90003088If it's just those dudes here falseflagging like that and stirring shit for the purpose of stirring shit, then I agree 100% but to be fair with those at least it's 99% of the time either just some faggot or at best some rando who looks down on and wants to "bully" vtubers to feel 'cool'. The thing is that falseflaggers are insufferable, but esp. from the vtubers point of view, they have a lot less things to worry about when it comes to them. They're uninvested, so they aren't fans and never were. They're almost certainly not going to become fans. They have no strong emotional drive behind their behavior, so they will never do anything that might have consequences for them if they did itMost will probably eventually get bored and fuck off after a while on their ownBasically, to a vtuber, they don't need to think about what to do when it comes to them. They can't save them because they never liked them in the first place. They can't win them over because they at bare minimum don't respect vtubers and their audience if not feel mild contempt for them. They aren't a risk factor for anything except for what they're already doing. They have negative clout and sway among all other vtuber fans. You have to know they exist as a vtuber, but beyond that, they aren't so much a problem to solve for as much as a problem you have to passively endure the insignificant but nonetheless extremely tedious existence of.But schizos? Schizos can be and do everything that the casual shitstirrer would never. They have stake and are rooted in being a part of the subculture; oftentimes ex fans or at least people who run in many of the same circles as your fansThey are invested emotionally and thus many of them actually might risk severe potential consequences if it allowed them to do something that harmed your prospects in a much more drastic way than they would otherwise be capable ofBut at the same time, in this context, the schizos are ones that form over time, specifically as a response to your actions. They're upset. And it's likely that most of them would prefer to not be upset, and would do exactly that if the thing that is making them upset stopped being a thing. It's volatile and messy, so trying to resolve a situation with such complications will of course end up being difficult. And slow. And benefitting from cautiousness while suffering from brazenness. Rock the boat and it capsizes, which is why not rocking the boat much at all is ideal in a vacuum. And needs to accepted as such. This is a very uncomfortable reality to live in for people who'd demand immediate radical change in for the sake of some moral sense of justice with zero regard for detractors of that change.
>>90005503Dunno how /lit/ the crowd is today but it reminds me of the book "Misery" by Stephen King. In it the author gets captured by a big fan of his and is "coerced" to rewrite a rough draft because her favorite character has a bad ending.Nowadays I guess the better saying would be your biggest fans still have blades/can be your biggest enemies.
>>90006013Emotional attachment/investment being a double edged sword is just what we've always known honestly. Moet people end up choosing to risk feeling love for something in spite of that though. Hell, In some ways it feels like more of a feature than a bug.That isn't even going into how vtubers have ever since the start of the streaming era into Covid ended up heavily tilted towards dynamics that reinforce emotional attachment, to the point where it probably wouldn't even feel the same thing if those parts got randomly removed at once somehowBeing present in vtubing nowadays requires people to respect the types of people that are here now, which ultimately is why male vtubers and homobeggars end up literally hurting themselves with their behavior. They havent learned that they lost the war to kick out unicorms a long time ago. They're part of it. You have to stop trying to cancel your way into "winning" or w/e and begin to respect the people in a space and work around them as a baseline in genetal, so every time they do some sort of virtue signalling nonsense all it ends up as is causing the fanbase to see them and what they advoocate for as toxic and disruptive(and it is, but they make it worse)It was time to stop blaming fans a long time ago but beggars will never stop because for a lot of them blaming other fans to virtue signal is why they enjoy being beggars
>>90005503I wonder what it'd be like if SALT's response to the schizo backlash wasn't so poorly handled. Schizos are gonna schizo, but owning the haters turns even the casual audience against you. You still have people bringing up Ame and Altare, sure, but less frequently and rarely with such vitrol.
>>89990941>"cromartie vtuber"Have you actually read Cromartie? Like half the pages have no backgrounds at all. You can very easily do a Cromartie vtuber, but you're right that it wouldn't work as well as a solo channel.
Why dont the holostars fans watch holostars?>average likes of a twitter/reddit shill post>3000+>average ccv of any stream>300
>>89984533Starmin don't want those types of Nijisisters even more than you do, trust me.
>>89993227Ollie is actively damaging my semen count
>>89993196When it's as a poorly marketed quickjob like Holostars? Yes.
>>90009274Have you tried gatekeeping?
>>90009547gatekeeping never works. tell me 1 instance of gatekeeping that works AND is good (doesn't cause the thing you gatekeep to f**king die)
>>90009640So you want to be flooded by Nijisister beggars?
>>89963030They can grow. Easy the next branch of dudes they bring in should not focus on fujos instead should try to become the vtubers vanoos big juggly panda pewdiepies of the vtuber world. Enough with the force idol crap normal fags who tuned into them don't care bout that shit. Just let let them be men for fuck sakes
The market with ‘virtual male idols who sing and dance while do occasional streaming’ is occupied; they are never being mentioned here since they don’t usually market themselves as vtubers. Just look at Voising’s groups or strawberry prince. Stars as a whole feels half assed as a concept — a weird mixture between virtual idol group and niji style virtual streamer. Niji males, despite all the recent idol work, still hold on to the streamer identity. Stars feel like a failed virtual idol group that resorts to streaming; the brotuber thing EN tried to pull may have helped their number a bit but made the concept even more confusing
>>89963030I'd watch holostars if they all tested dildos on stream in an offcollab
>>89976878What do you think vtubers are, anon
>>90010041Go watch your gay porn then unicorn
>>90010041Euch. I've been on the post screen for five minutes and I can't think of anything witty to say.Euch.
>>89990941>Tempus got a supposed "fantasy adventurers guild thing" but we see NOTHING about it, they are just normal gamer streamers no matter what.They constantly talk about how management denies them chances to use their lore or world for practically anything. Shinri had wanted to host a monthly show with all the boys where they all had a news segment to fill out the details of their world or about their adventures in the guild. He had a like 4/5 hour membership stream where he planned stuff out, was really enthused about it. Nope, shot down completely. They gave him the OK to do it a whole ass year later but can't say I blame him for being unmotivated after that. Axel has advocated for lore vps since they learned of their lore and management constantly said no. Only after he and Altare met Yagoo in-person and explained what they wanted to do did they get the OK....2 years later. And weird, their whole fanbase went nuts finally getting something in lore for them to enjoy.How can they do anything with the cool lore they were given when every suggestion or project utilizing it is shot down because of some nebulous "can't conflict lore" reason when the company hasn't done anything with it since their debut?
>>89976659ding ding ding
Holostars ended and died when they went against and waged war on hololiveThey killed the few remaining people that watched them and theres only nijis that hate hololive watching them now
>>90010640holostars management is too strict yet too lax with them. too afraid to take risks
>>89963030I just want cover to put out a guy who games and doesn't like tabletop garbage
>>89994085/here/ is continually mad about the Twitter account when it's pretty obvious that 2 different people were maintaining it for the last year+ and the person doing the girls posts was dogshit at their job. The guys posts were written in a totally different style and that person clearly understood how to schedule tweets. The other guy fucked up constantly: left incorrect stuff up, I'm pretty certain that they're behind the messed up 2024 NY countdown image with the Stars (as it was fine on literally every other account and wouldn't fit the "A FUJO RUNS THE TWITTER" narrative idiots have), completely missed Mumei's 1 Million Sub mark, posted stuff at weird times, and I wouldn't doubt the massive fuck up on Kronii's outfit reveal tweet was the nail in the coffin for that person.Doesn't matter anymore now cause the person behind the guys tweets seems to be the only one in charge now, as all the posts are written similarly and the quality control has been a lot better.
>>90012041>The guys posts were written in a totally different style and that person clearly understood how to schedule tweetsWhoever is/was in charge of the boys posts wasn't any better that fat balding retard kept leaking songs and events INTERN-KUN HATE.
>>90003924For the record, here's what was happening for HoloEN in that same exact weekend:>a big fucking booth at Anime NYC that revealed ENReco as a thing>ENReco also got revealed and news blitzed out with a preview video, online quiz, Twitter posts, etc.>Breaking Dimensions, the second 3D EN branch concert, was happening over 2 days in another part of the cityMeanwhile StarsEN:>15 second ad in Times Square at the top of the hour for 2 days for their 2nd anniversary orisong that had been privated for a month due to an errorYeah that's really comparable I guess.
>>90013097Oh yeah i forgot, they leaked a song that was supposed to be for their anniversary right? Kek, how the fuck does that even happen? Even if it was a scheduled tweet there’s quite a few steps when you can clearly see what file you picked and they could’ve tell it was the wrong song
>>90013461Stars got nothing while people who hate Minecraft get forced to watch Minecraft
>>90011282From what the guys say, their managers and Gorimane aren't the problem. It's the people over them, so probably whoever is the overhead of the whole branch. And they need to get fucking kicked and get someone who gives a damn because they've been nothing but awful.
>>89963030Just management issues like always
>>89989129I'm an actual "Hololive viewer" and I won't be satisfied until Stars is disbanded and male vtubing is looked on the same as child molestation.
