We definitely need advice from a manchild who broke the speedrun record for fastest suspension (in a majority-female company).

he released it a few days before the blue homo announcement

>Stealth-terminated from the biggest vtuber corp on the planet after speedrunning a suspension
>"let me tell you how corpos should manage their talents "

>>90140569
His defense is specifically he was, for a time, the biggest member of Starsen and even stars itself. Which to the denizens of /#/ may sound ignoble, but promotion of vesper and magni to promote the wider branch and organization would have made more sense than trying to micromanage a sperg.

>>90140277
I mean, he isn't wrong. Hell this was exactly what Hololive 2021 was like. Projects denied left and right due to either fear of copyright or fear of chinks or fear of obnoxious japs. That was the reason why Coco graduated and made some others almost follow her suit

Nowadays though, they fixed that by allowing the majority of projects. But now they should fix the ability to respond to talents' immediate needs, which is what Altare and Stars had a huge problem with

You are their fucking manager for christ sake, act like one

I watched the video and he gave a fair rundown of why vtubers get sad when their projects get shut down and why managers shut down projects because "loli cummy dakimakura with onahole" might get them in trouble with the CEO and the manager just wants to wage for 12 dollars an hour in peace.

>>90140655
>promotion of the shitters who could barely break 2k on a good day and cried because they couldn't talk to gura
are you omegatranny or something?

>>90140931
Uh oh numberfag melty.

>>90140448
There are reasons to dislike "The Incredible Dork" but that wasn't one of them.
That was funny and Cover probably deserved the dickslap

>>90141104
failure

I've never seen an indie vtuber project that was creative in any way
this argument makes no sense

>>90140448
fpbp
Brotuberfags don't look!

>>90140277
>>90142797
This is why these kinds of videos always sound hilarious to me, too. While they arguably aren't wrong - more regulations do make it harder to be creative (they don't stop people from being creative altogether, though), the video creators don't really help their arguments much when ex-corpos virtually never managed to do anything truly new & innovative (in a good sense) compared to what corpo chuubas can already do.
I respect ex-corpos who simply stated that they didn't want to deal with paperworks, or they wanted more freedom (to play whatever game they want or collab with whoever they want), or even flat out just think that they could make more money as indies. Those are all understandable and each person has their own preferences after all. The ones who try to frame it as a matter of creativity yet fail to deliver, on the other hand...

>>90140922
His actual advice is fucking retarded though
>just let the talent do whatever they want and then clean up the mess after
Yeah that worked out so well for all the small corps that crumbled under the weight of the menhera, grifting and borderline sociopathy of the very streamers that they hired.

But of course this fucking manchild that has never worked a stable job in his life believes the answer lies in letting him do whatever he wants lmao

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>>90140277
Starting to think this applies to homos too.

Green man bad?

He's basically citing management red tape and perms autism as something that hamstrings the talents and kills motivation which /vt/ also complains about all the time, but he's a filthy subhuman moid so anons in this thread will shit on him regardless of what he says due to misandry

>>90140655
Vesper killed his own career by getting the first (and only I guess) public suspension of Holopro outside of Japan in less than 6 months after his debut, he pretty much salted the soil and killed any growth he could've had.
He then proceeded to quarantine himself from the rest of the branch (bar fagni) out of spite for management because he got an earful for pulling off of the anticipated (for their fans at least) offcollab in Japan celebrating their 6th month.
Lastly but not least, tried to be funny during the contacts renewals and got the boot without any chance of saying goodbye, all while the company didn't even try to paint them as villains so they weren't able to attract sour viewers.

>>90143625
Nah, just autistic or retarded. Perhaps both

>>90143638
>which /vt/ also complains about all the time
That's not a really good thing, anon. This is supposed to be a shithole, not the bible.
In all seriousness, though, shitposting asides, most sane anons understand that those rules are around for a reason. Don't think most anons would think that
>Just let talents do whatever they want and deal with the aftermath if there is any
is a good idea unless anons are even younger than I thought

>>90143745
he grew a bit after suspension and got more people watching, but fucked it up with the Japan fiasco

>>90143638
>moid
sister detected

>>90144358
why did he go to japan?

>>90144411
i'll find the zatsu in a bit, just lazy right now. but he wanted to do an off collab with Axel (this was right after a family visit, also blue homo spilled the beans early on that that was the plan, check archives)
everyone was saying it was a stupid idea, even Axel was, but he still did it anyways. im gonna assume he was manic or something

>>90142797
what he means is unhinge content and not creative. like a stream using chatgpt to talk about random thing, if he accidentally talked about something controversial then manager would clean his shit. oh remember niji 4chan stream? 100% the content he wants and we all know how stupid it is.

>>90143638
wow so the orc is 4chan user and 4chan is good?

>>90144706
does it take a 4chan user to know that?

>>90144839
ok so you admit 4chan is good

>>90144358
That was just the usual drama buff, they go away quickly.
>>90144411
He was constantly talking about how behind he was on his homework, how he had a cover in the works where everyone was pretty much finished but the most important part (his recording) wasn't happening, so he went to Japan to get it all done with the help of management as they went to a studio for the recordings

>>90144910
dont put words in my mouth buddy

>>90143638
His input is worthless when he's too much of a narcissist to realize how good the homos had it while HoloEN was left to waste for two years.

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>Nodoby talk about what he said, only try to discredit him
People hate him because he speaks the truth

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>>90140277
>Join company known to have rules
>WHAT THE FUCK I CAN'T JUST DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT?!?
Hiring Americans was a mistake. Hololive is successful because of their rules.

>>90145188
Because >>90143530
There isn't much to talk about what he said because while the core of it is true, his argument was retarded and he doesn't really have much better credentials than average anon to talk about this

>>90143638
All that shit was in place before he applied. It's like taking a job as a garbage man and complaining your job involves collecting garbage.
He's a retarded mongloid faggot who wasted a slot for someone who might have been motivated for doing the job they signed up for.
Faggot should unirronically kill himself.

>>90145726
vtubing is srs business

>>90140277
let talents do what they want. unless said talent signs up to an event with his genmates, doesn't work on it for months, finally decided to do his part by flying to Japan without his drugs, go cold turkey and have a schizo meltdown at cover offices, and finally comeback but avoid the people you fucked over for months. they should make this guy cover CEO

>>90140448
>in a majority-female company
Based, fuck women

>>90140886
Their managers expect to hold meetings for EN talents at 2AM, but can't bother to reply to their emails, get perms, test their A/V setups, test their VR and 3D setups, manage collab schedules, or generally do anything.

>>90140277
Reminder that this fucking dumbass ghosted his teammates during their anniversaries.
He couldn't bother showing up for 1 hour. Guess that stiffled his creativity.
If he was in charge there'd be no events and hololive would basically be vshojo where everyone is out for themselves.

>>90140886
He's not wrong but that doesn't mean we have to like it. It's a story as old as the fucking capcom incident in vtuber history.
In actual history it goes back to the time where the music and video game industry where shitting and pissing all over themselves because they think that people who listen to music or renting a game are "stealing" and its leading to "lost sales"
The music industry as a whole is built on a foundation of litigation and a gaslighting operation to convince people that their worthless product is actually worth hundreds of millions.

>>90146353
Reminder that the amongus discord leaks proved allmof this wrong.
HoloENs are too lazy to read discord and managers had to rely on Kiara guilt tripping them to get replies.

>>90146572
It's a talent versus management situation, why would you expect anyone to take the side of the suits? Especially when 75% of their job seems to be telling talents what they can't do, rather than any action taken.

>>90143638
>but he's a filthy subhuman moid so anons in this thread will shit on him regardless of what he says due to misandry
Correct

>>90146894
Post your vagina

>>90143638
you dont understand
Every man other than me is evil because they constantly cuck me

>>90143638
>subhuman
I mean he's an orc so yes i guess

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>>90140448
>manchild who broke the speedrun record for fastest suspension
Nah females still have that record

>>90146894
>>90147018
Why do homofan autistic women act like they're MRA or something when their homos get shit on. It's not about dicks or men or whatever stupid shit. It's about them being leeches and faggots that don't fit with Hololive. The "you hate men" angle is so damn odd. Why don't you whores go back to kpop.

>>90140277
He still isn't over getting shitcanned for being retarded huh

Cover keeping StarsEN around and wasting so much time and resources on that branch just for them to turn around and demand more with no return. Nijisanji kept NijiEN around and look at the shitshow that turned into. cmon Yagoo it's time to stop

>>90145494
You could this argument for Niji merch as well.
In fact, the merch thing is most likely in the contract, but I doubt holo hands you a document where it says "everything you do will belong to us and you'll have to ask for permissions every time you want to play a random game"

>>90143312
>ex-corpos virtually never managed to do anything truly new & innovative (in a good sense) compared to what corpo chuubas can already do.
Yep, Coco is the perfect example of this.
Me: "OMG - Hololive is holding Coco's creativity back, I can't wait to see what she'll do outside of Hololive."
What she did: build Gunpla.

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>>90140277
Creativity? What creativity? A lot of what they do is talk and play games
What did he want? To be able to act more like a faggot on stream? lmao

>>90149285
>literally can't go 5 seconds without a fagni/landon collab
This fag trying to give out advice will never not be funny

>>90148735
>everything you do will belong to us
Most of Holomems original/cover belong to the talent themself and they want Cover to buy it. This have been talk about a lot of time on stream
>you'll have to ask for permissions every time you want to play a random game
They don't need to wrote this in the contract because it already writen in the law

>>90149587
>already writen in the law
Show me the law.

>>90147291
Everyone in holo is a leech. They leech off of the blue dorito. That includes the fans too.

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>>90143638
>misandry

>>90149542
A) they are friends and like each others company
B) Randon is the bigger streamer now, he doesn't need to collab with Caspurr
C) DnD + Game Grumps meta

>>90140277
The Orc is definitely 100% correct

>>90149990
Japanese copyright law.

>>90140277
https://youtu.be/7mi9ze9oWEQ
https://youtu.be/vrl9IaSX7rM?t=11522
>very disappointing news when it comes to working with this company
>wasted 4 months of my time
>the lack of support that we get from this company is insane
Altare is having a horrible experience with Cover this year and many of the talents have complained about management delaying or cancelling their projects. It's not only the guys in Holostars or only the girls in HoloEN it's much of the EN branch. Sana, Ina, Gura, Ame, Mumei, Kronii, Fauna, Kiara, and Mori have all hinted at these issues either on stream or vaguely on RM accounts. Sana and Ame had graduations in which they had major disputes with management but couldn't give any details because of the NDA. Magni and Vesper were suddenly fired and many of the problems with management only seem to get worse.

>>90140448
Fpbp

>>90148956
>What she did: build Gunpla.
yeah, and make out with porn stars and groping them live

>>90151334
False

>>90151510
ogey

>>90151510
Sana telling followers on her RM account that she was completely healthy after her graduation, Magni/Vesper dropping hints of a fight with management that caused their graduation, Kronii telling viewers that management ignores her messages for weeks, Gura asking that mysterious question about whether fans would follow her to her next life as a sunflower, Ame leaves Hololive to be an indie vtuber, Cover "forgets" to renew a work visa for Ina that indefinitely delays her 3D live, Mumei joins the hiatus club, and Fauna releasing ASMR but not for Hololive.

>>90140277
"They just want them to do the same thing that everybody else is doing."

"Dad was such a drag... Every day he'd eat the same kind of food, dress the same, sit in front of the same kind of games..."

It's the usual jp corpo progression.
The bigger they are, the bigger the autism.

>>90151334
What the fuck happened to Cover

>>90153239
Grew too big and corporate. The management's strict risk management policy has resulted in them not being able to do anything creative. It's all safe and sterile now, which sucks for talents with ideas

>>90153239
became very corpo which can be an issue for some people that joined just for the sake of streaming, but it is what it is.

>>90152341
I think the fact that Full Color is STILL not put is the most damning part of all this. Disingenuous Cover fanboys can shitpost all they want about "le creative freedom" etc., but you can't deny that song has been in hell for no discernable reason for years now.

>>90151334
>>90152341
Reminder that Outfit/Contract Schizo has been pushing this bullshit constantly for like 2 years, hasn't watched 90% of the talents they use in their retarded fanfic, and that the 2 quitters did in fact quit.

>>90154440
Full Color status? Aqua status?

>>90140277
Stream is from april, this was just a clipper throwing a rock at the wasp nest and it worked kek

>>90155024
Yes, he filmed it in April along with a few other similar themed clips but it was never publish. He just made a new clip channel last week and has been putting old unused clips on it, it just happened that it was posted 2 days before Blue Boy had a menhera attack.

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>>90155024
his editor (pic related) made the channel and uploads stuff he recorded in the past but trashed there. it was just a major coincidence the blue boy stuff happened kek

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>>90142797
Randon is a dumbass even if he is "right"

The problem is that if you can't find a way around restrictions (the birthplace to a ton of creative and amazing series, people and books), then are you really good? The problem with this guy (to me, not factoring in his dumbfuck past), is that he has zero confidence in himself. Yeah yeah vtuber corpos suck and they play your hand as seen by holo management, but the good ones rise up and know how to make a good thing. Randon would be the one to give up.
>>90143530
Pretty much. You can "fuck up" but if you fuck up and that project brings bad publicity, it isn't good. You just end up having egg on your face for a really shitty project you wanted.

>>90155684
>You just end up having egg on your face for a really shitty project you wanted.
As much as I dislike Ollie, she still managed to make her Apex arcade thing happen even if it required burning the trust the girls had in her and the event in-general being a failure.

>>90154440
Randon had a "I was fired" video clip and Caspurr has vaguely referred to achieving an impossible task that he agreed to help with. There are plenty of signs that Vesper and Magni were fired because they got into a fight with management. Ame and Aqua leaving to be indie vtubers shows there are huge contract disputes so why even run damage control for Hololive?

>>90152341
Sana is a bigass liar and Mumei is chronic. I blame EN fans for why Fauna can never do ASMR again because they can't go ONE second without going AWWOGA or some retarded shit.

>>90156062
i.e "i got egg in my face"

Ollie is just a vtweeter now. I dont really see her in streams anyways.

>>90157527
Yeah, I just wanted to put an example of 'egg on my face' out there.

>>90155684
This. I keep seeing anons lauding unrestricted creative freedom, yet I've seen several of these vtubers who were tied down by restrictions finally achieving said unrestricted creative freedom and what did they do with it? Absolutely fucking nothing but the same shit they used to do when under restrictions.
People can think what they want about restrictions but they are beneficial because they foster creativity and makes it so people have to think outside the box. Any artist will say that they prefer a client to give them restrictions/guidelines on what to make rather than "do what you want" because if they have unrestricted creative freedom they'll just make something they want and not what the client wants. The same goes for content creation. Having unlimited creative freedom is detrimental because then they have too many options and as such don't know what to do. What they do then is resort to doing the same shit they used to do because that's what's easiest.

>>90157602
Oh then thanks.

I feel like sometimes a project can be way too ambitious also for some. Remember, not every project is worth it. For every really fun project hololive does, some really just get forgotten and nobody really remembers it, regardless of who organized it. The good thing is that its rare for a project to utterly flop for hololive.

>>90157341
>Sana is a bigass liar and Mumei is chronic. I blame EN fans for why Fauna can never do ASMR again
Altare could be honest with his complaints about the 3D suit not getting repaired but there are plenty of management issues that HoloEN can't talk about because of the NDA. I put all the blame on Cover since it's obvious there are major disputes going on with Gura and Ina which is the reason so many of their projects are getting delayed or cancelled.

>>90142797
>I've never seen an indie vtuber project that was creative in any way
Deshiquest was cool

>>90158360
Gura is chronic also and has been chronic since 2022. I forgot Mumei has "college" but she too is chronic. Then again, it isn't "my" problem, its their problem. if you wanna get upset, then tell that to their face.

>>90142797
Everytime I see drama like this it's so stupid. What possibly could they have planned? What oh so crazy things had they prepared for fucking streaming of all things? All they have to do is talk and play games. Sometimes watch a movie and that's it.
So what they have to sing and dance (?) at Cover but that's something they tell you about in the contract.

>>90157341
>I blame EN fans for why Fauna can never do ASMR again
That's 100% from management, and an actual reasonable take from them at that. YT is actively purging ASMR channels at an insane rate, often times not even giving strikes and just immediately terminating channels. The anti-ASMR AI they trained incorrectly identifies breathing as NSFW content, so any ASMR with breathing gets hit immediately. But even on top of that, it'll strike absolutely random shit too. One girl got a strike for her cat jumping on her lap and she made a surprised sound. Another girl got struck for letting her pet rat squeak into the ASMR mic. And in all cases YT just refuses to let a human review the strike.

When YT doesn't play by its own rules the only option is to not make that kind of content at all. It's shitty for Fauna, but ultimately this one's on YT not Cover. It's just way too fucking risky for any big channel to do ASMR right now.

>>90158963
>The anti-ASMR AI they trained incorrectly identifies breathing as NSFW content
At last, we have evolved from Dalek women getting stoned for shoving an inch of skin to internet women getting banned for breathing, both due to perceived indecency.

>>90158963
Noel still does ASMR and public ASMR too. wy cant fauna?

>>90159125
The AI is a lot, lot, lot more lenient on JP streams than EN streams. It was obviously trained on EN ASMR and not JP ASMR.

>>90156327
Ame went out of her way to make it a super-hiatus instead of fully quitting, and outright said it was to figure out her personal issues. Aqua just doesn't want to fade into the background, she used to be hololive's star talent and at the time of her quitting was debatably not even in the top 5 any more.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the only source for this grand catalog fanfiction that isn't entirely made up is the two guys who flamed out spectacularly after being given far more support than their popularity ever warranted

>>90159169
Yup

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>>90160101
>Aqua
Anon, please

>>90160101
Aqua just wanted to be a fucking NEET
She said she wanted to be a NEET, her friends said she wanted to just be a NEET, and she is currently, surprisingly, being a fucking NEET

>>90161675
Hours watched on stream alone are a completely useless metric for hololive. Suisei is 6th on there and she's doing 4 sololives in 4 months, including in venues bigger than holofes

>>90162036
Good thing that chart had nothing to do with hours watched

>>90162116
You're right, it's actually an even worse measure of popularity, since if you look at that year it's her alternating between not streaming for weeks then spamming FOTM rage games, Minecraft, and Apex, while her zatsudans are doing half that number and less

>>90162006
>She said she wanted to be a NEET, her friends said she wanted to just be a NEET, and she is currently, surprisingly, being a fucking NEET
Scary how thats true

>>90143638
>moid
That's how you know this board is filled to the brim with dykes

>>90157966
"Constraints breed resourcefulness" or "Scarcity breeds creativity", as they say.

>>90149587
>Most of Holomems original/cover belong to the talent themself and they want Cover to buy it
Let me know when Rica performs one of Mel's songs since they apparently 'mostly belong to her'

>>90143537
>men are more likeable under an oppressive moral code that limits what they can say and do
No wonder a certain other company with all boys is successful.