>if you do gfe you have to be racist or else you're a whore
?

>>90178747
Yes

yeah like gumpai

>>90178652
if your only talent is being a POS, you shouldn't be a vtuber. you should run for office.

>>90178652
do people actually think being racist is an acceptable personality?

like ok racist jokes are funny but if you take that shit seriously and are like "omg based my favorite chuuba is racist JUST LIKE ME this means we're soulmates!!!" and not just her being funny then you probably have an IQ of like 34. none of these vtubers that enjoy meeting new people, making friends, doing collabs, interacting with people from around the world in chat, are gonna be misanthropes like you. they're just doing it for the bit bro.

>>90183180
kek

>>90178747
You forgot the gigachad image

>>90183456
Yes. The only reason you think otherwise is cause of online censorship.

>>90183456
There's a reason people spend all their time here and don't have real life relationships, anon.

>>90183986
continued okay actually I guess you didn't claim racists don't exist just that no vtubers would be racist because vtubing is on the internet where people from other countries also are. yeah. the internet is free of racism because it's international

>>90178652
Yeah, you just want someone that is socially ostracized and unlikeable like you, but you forget that women don't need to be socially ostracized. It's a choice. That said you would also have better luck without so many self inflicted wounds in your attempt to be based and just looking like a jackass.

>>90184079
its more like vtubers could be racist, but no serious vtuber is going to openly advertise it as a personality trait because it's bad for business. that's why they always couch it under the guise of being ironic and funny and not serious. if you tie your enjoyment of a vtuber to how racist she is then you're a moron. they're entertainers not politicians.

>>90183986
But by racist parties around the world it usually means something like anti-illegal immigration or pro-integration through free night courses for immigrants. The racism we're talking about here is kind of different, and to the extent that racism is popular around the world is very small, and the aforementioned "extreme right" groups condemn them too. It's only America, third world countries, and fallen states.

>>90184529
No one in the GOP is offering anything free to immigrants. Except for maybe a free bus ride to New York. Incidentally, I don't think the bus ride idea is a bad one, of it was done with sincerity instead of malice. If we identified communities that needed more workers, we could send them there and give them jobs. But instead, they're shipped off as part of a political game of hot potato.

>>90183456
>>90183844
>>90184203
Hi elfin

>>90184529
you really have no idea how racist the world is huh..

>>90178652
kys /asp/ie crab

>>90183456
>I was just pretending to be racist

Elfin is /r9k/ whore Hiba who has condoms on her bedside table and has sex with her manager and mod AvgBirdEnjoyer

>>90186646
And don't forget she is Mel Nekomata using a commissioned AI voice changer!

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i don't blame gumpai for being racist to the vietnamese she's filipino and a viet did this

>>90183456
>do people actually think being racist is an acceptable personality?
No, nobody thinks that racism is a personality.

>>90178652
We need a reset, too many low IQ OPs now.

>>90190804
>using the military to deport 10 million immigrants
>talking about it with rhetoric lifted word-for-word from hitler speeches
nah he's fine

>>90184529
>But by racist parties around the world it usually means something like anti-illegal immigration or pro-integration through free night courses for immigrants.
Holy shit you're sheltered. America is one the least racist countries on Earth if you define 'racist parties' as that. The majority of the world is 100 times more racist than America is, hence why majority of the world are either ethnostates or plagued with extreme ethnic violence.

>>90191029
Even been pro-animal rights or against smoking? Congrats you have copied rhetoric from Hitler

>>90184924
We're not talking about the GOP. We're talking about how racism and far-right politics is on the rise around the world. There is no GOP outside of the US. The way far-right works in other countries is very different. To keep saying that it's on the rise around the world in such an ominous way is just American cope.
>>90185419
Your head isn't the world, and you could benefit from taking it out your ass once in a while.

>>90191142
Case in point. American cope.

>>90191353
I'm not American

>>90191231
you should get a diagnosis for that retardation anon-kun

>>90191494
>noooo you can't make hitler comparisons, ONLY I CAN DO THAT

>>90191231
Hitler was wrong when he said the sky is blue because he's Hitler.

>>90191312
>>90191142
>>90185419
>>90183986
America is still up there with other third world countries. Congrats I guess, but the rest of the world is so much worse, right? American exceptionalism and all that.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-racist-countries

>>90191556
>immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country
>they're coming in by the thousands and bringing disease to our nation
guess who said these things?
are these quotes from a Trump rally or a Hitler speech?
trick question, they're from both!

>>90191944
The recordings of the rallies are a lie?

>>90191029
He is deporting illegals not immigrants.

It's better than being put down like stray dogs.

>>90191998
Their own fault for living under Shakira law.

>>90191728
Anon, would you like to know something that many third world countries and America have in common? They have a high levels of ethnic diversity. It's almost like constant exposure to people who look, behave and believe differently to you will provide you a realistic version of the reality of mixed race neighbourhoods rather than relatively utopian ideals that are sold in Western Europe.
Now in addition, take somewhere like Serbia which is pretty homogenous but poor, you think the Serb when they think of another race is thinking of niggers? No they're thinking of Croats or Greeks which at least to American sensibilities is a utopian level of racial homogenity. When Americans are asked about someone of a different race, they're thinking of whites, blacks, indians, chinks, etc. People of substantial differences.

So the study itself is bullshit because the premise is completely subjective. Fill Serbia with niggers and do the same survey and they'll come back having invaded Africa to rid themselves of nigger scourge. So to pretend that American racism is on the same par as the third world is erroneous.

>>90191742
so they aren't coming in by the thousands and bringing diseases with them?

>>90178652
i dont fucking care what roasties from /asp/ are fighting about kill yourselves

>>90191728
And in addition, add in the fact that the definition of 'ever witnessed or personally experienced racism.' is completely subjective because someone in Japan who have a buttfucked retarded definition of racism would probably say they have never witnessed racism even when their white expat friends weren't allowed into a bar because they're not japanese.

Then you have America where even the smallest perceived slight is construed as racism. You are not getting anywhere near accurate results.

>>90191742
I don't know what point your making. I never said that Trump and Hitler didn't have similar rhetoric. My point was that similarities mean fucking nothing of substance because my counterpoint is that Hitler passed some of the worlds first animal cruelty laws and therefore by your logic if you can draw similarities between something and Hitler and therefore it is bad, anyone who supports animal cruelty laws must be bad. Right?

Or would you like to make an actual point?

>>90192398
>Hitler
>Trump
Just say it like what it literally is, neo fascism.

>>90192398
So your point is considering actions individually is idiotic? Obviously the animal cruelty laws and the holocaust were on one end of the scale but were outweighed by that whole WWII thing.

>>90192512
Go ahead and prove it to me using first principles.

Oh, so it’s /pol/tards raiding today I see. I was sure it was 5channers.

>>90192545
No my point is that comparing two things and then just hoping someone makes the logical jump for you in their own head isn't an argument. Not everything Hitler did was bad, so saying something Trump did is similar to what Hitler did and leaving the conversation there is completely fruitless and makes you look like an idiot.

>>90192629
Example of guy doing awful things
Mentiining other guy doing the same awful things.
BUT THOSE THINGS AREN'T AWFUL!!!!!!

>>90192560
go back to redd*t,newfag.

>>90192794
You haven't proven those things are awful though. You have just assumed they are and assumed that everyone will believe the same thing you do. This is where your logic is dogshit. You have worked from the premise of Hitler is always bad and just reverse engineered your entire ideology from that point. You haven't actually established a moral axiom as to WHY Hitler is bad, you just assume he is bad because he just is okay and therefore anything like Hitler must also be bad because guilt by association (except when it's things I like, like animal cruelty laws).

Prove to me that deportation of illegal immigrants is a net negative for America with the use of fallacy.

>>90192968
>with
without*

>>90192968
I'm not even the anin you're yelling about. I just think you're a tool. And now we're at the point where nothing can be objectively proven to be bad. As for the immigrants, we should absolutely fasttrack the deportation of the ones actually committing crimes, but the rest are a fantastic source of cheap exploitable labor to do the jobs legal Americans won't.

I have blocked every single one of these “based”/here/4chan vtubers and every day I’m glad I did

Their entire personality is trying to be “based” and edgy when they know they aren’t like that IRL.

They’re the worst type of grifters and all their humor seems forced

>>90193135
Nothing can be objectively proven because everything is relative, doesn't mean you can't compare relative goods and bads and make informed choices.

> but the rest are a fantastic source of cheap exploitable labor to do the jobs legal Americans won't.
Americans won't do them because those jobs pay like shit and those jobs continue to pay like shit because there's a bunch of exploitable cheap labor to pay like shit. It's wage suppression.

>>90193350
>It's wage suppression.
Which is a thing I'd care about if they weren't illegals. As it is they lower the costs of farmed goods, construction and other stuff while card carrying merkins do other jobs that earn more.

>>90193481
Okay, so what's the cut off? Where do you draw the line on what is suitable illegal immigrant job and what isn't?

>>90193539
Ask the free market. Also, depends on the supply of non-crime-committing immigrants

>>90193576
If you believe in the free market to decide, the idea of an illegal immigrant wouldn't exist and you would have free open borders and allow American workers to compete with the world with no barriers.

>>90193610
We can't do that and expect to win, though. Heck, your hero is just popping the biggest tariff-boner as we speak. Global free market my ass.

>>90193768
>We can't do that and expect to win, though.
Okay so there is does exist a cut off, so where is it exactly?

>>90193810
Fuck if I know, but you beet your ass cheap labor will assist the US in competing. We don't manufacture shit anymore because the bugmen price us out of it. And the street shitters took phone support. We need all the help we can get.

>>90193889
>Fuck if I know,
Then why are you talking? You don't have an argument and you're just running your mouth.

>but you beet your ass cheap labor will assist the US in competing
The most objectively competitive thing to do for the nation is a pure free open market for labor, the US would double it's national economic output in 10 years no problems. But it would benefit the rich the most and at the cost of most Americans lifestyles which I assume you are a part of, so clearly your view is more about whatever benefits you personally the most and so your opinion on how nations should run is worth fuck all.

>>90194027
And I should defer to you because? By pure free open market for labor it sure does sound like you're in favor of ruining the American dream. There are more ways to measure a nation's success than the bottom line, you know. Everything is a trade-off I'm just going to assume you're a filthy yero looking to knock us down a peg.

>>90194312
>And I should defer to you because?
Don't know. I haven't actually made a point, I just deconstructed yours since you wanted to act like a smug retard

>By pure free open market for labor it sure does sound like you're in favor of ruining the American dream.
You're the one arguing for the free market and letting that decide things, but as soon as it disadvantages you, then you don't like it. So what about people who are currently disadvantaged by illegal immigrants taking jobs and suppressing wages? Doesn't sound very American Dream to me, just sounds like you're a selfish dick who would sell out his own countrymen as long it improved his material wealth.

>>90194378
That mass deporting shit tons of immigrants would negatively affect the labor base is the thing I'm concerned about there. If it goes down shit will get more expensive for basically everyone. Some of us can deal with that, but many can't. Terribly sorry about being concerned about people besides myself, btw.

>>90194582
>That mass deporting shit tons of immigrants would negatively affect the labor base is the thing I'm concerned about there.
And mass importation of immigrations would positive affect the labor base.

> If it goes down shit will get more expensive for basically everyone.
No it doesn't. For those who have better negotiating power at those lower class jobs will actually see in an increase in their living conditions. People like yourself would likely see an increase in price. Again, you're willing to sell out your own countrymen as long as it improves your material wealth.

>Some of us can deal with that, but many can't.
No, you absolutely can. You personally just don't want to bear the extra cost of not selling out the poorest in your country.

>Terribly sorry about being concerned about people besides myself, btw.
So why are you selling out the poorest and most vulnerable of your population?

>>90183986
> Trump
> Racist
Libtard detected.

>>90194647
>And mass importation of immigrations would positive affect the labor base.
There is a limit to just how much, you know. Have we already passed it? I'll bet anything leaving the borders wide open would not be helpful.

>No it doesn't. For those who have better negotiating power at those lower class jobs will actually see in an increase in their living conditions. People like yourself would likely see an increase in price. Again, you're willing to sell out your own countrymen as long as it improves your material wealth.
You don't see a net increase in overall wellbeing through arbitrarily turning up the make stuff cost more knob, do you?

>Blah blah.
Because they're not Americans? If they want a piece of our pie instead of the one they were born into they get to start at the bottom. That's been the way of things everywhere and everywhen.

>>90194860
>There is a limit to just how much, you know. Have we already passed it? I'll bet anything leaving the borders wide open would not be helpful.
Okay, so fucking tell me where that is? I'm going to fucking guess the line is probably just below where it begins to materially impact your life because you're a selfish dick.

>You don't see a net increase in overall wellbeing through arbitrarily turning up the make stuff cost more knob, do you?
Except it's not arbitrary retard. Someone didn't just move the decimal point on prices to the left one day. Explain to me how it's arbitrary when the poorest in America are given an actual say in how much they get paid?

>Because they're not Americans? If they want a piece of our pie instead of the one they were born into they get to start at the bottom. That's been the way of things everywhere and everywhen.
I don't know what you're talking about. A poor American citizen born in America isn't American?

>>90178747
correct.

>>90183456
>do people actually think being racist is an acceptable personality?
yes.
people NOT being racist enough is one of the reasons the west is falling into shit.

>>90191029
what are retarded Obama-bots like you doing on 4chan?
shouldn't you be on r/politics?

Just watch hololive or holofriends, and you will have no problems.

>>90192022
>It's better than being put down like stray dogs.
no it's not, this is what should be happening

>>90183986
Show me your reddit karma

>>90178652
So is this Mel Nokomata or not?

>>90194950
How am I supposed to know where the line is? And yeah, if it affects my life that would mean it's affecting the lives of millions of others. We really should agree upon a goal before arguing this point any further. Insist it's my selfishness all you want, but that's just you projecting your own dickheadedness onto me. I'm really am concerned about people beyond myself.

>>90194950
>Except it's not arbitrary retard. Someone didn't just move the decimal point on prices to the left one day. Explain to me how it's arbitrary when the poorest in America are given an actual say in how much they get paid?
Deciding to ship off some unknown amount of the workforce is arbitrary by definition.
>>90194950
>I don't know what you're talking about. A poor American citizen born in America isn't American?
You mean "the poorest and most vulnerable of your population" wasn't code for illegal immigrants? Or are you pulling that one for being called out? Could have said Americans, or citizens or some such, but chose that? I'm on to you.

>>90195742
>How am I supposed to know where the line is?
Because you're the one arguing the point that there is a line and the line is good. So tell me where the line is and explain why the line being there is the best place it can be.

>And yeah, if it affects my life that would mean it's affecting the lives of millions of others.
Sure, but those are secondary to yourself. It's convenient that others are in the same group as you so you can use their causes as your own.

>We really should agree upon a goal before arguing this point any further
The goal is, show me where the fucking line is.

> Insist it's my selfishness all you want, but that's just you projecting your own dickheadedness onto me
Nope, objectively the best decision for greater income equality and the largest net improvement for quality of life for Americans is complete deportation of all illegal immigrants. Yes that will mean that people in the upper echelons will suffer, but at the benefit of the poorest increasing their standard of living.

> I'm really am concerned about people beyond myself.
Then you would be concerned about those at the bottom rung.

>Deciding to ship off some unknown amount of the workforce is arbitrary by definition.
It's not unknown. It's illegal immigrants. These people have a defined legal status. That is not arbitrary. Try again.

>You mean "the poorest and most vulnerable of your population" wasn't code for illegal immigrants?
No, illegal immigrants are not 'your population'. That is another nations population. Your population is consisted of all people's who live there legally. I'm sorry you don't understand English and how possessive grammar works.

> Could have said Americans, or citizens or some such, but chose that? I'm on to you.
Okay schizo

>>90196045
This discussion is completely pointless because we cannot agree upon anything and even asking your input seems to offend you.
>The goal is, show me where the fucking line is.
A perfect example. Obviously avoiding the actual question so as to dance around the point, refusing to make your own. The goal is what we would want the nation to be. At least that's the one I'm proposing. You just want to win a pointless argument, so I'm pretty sure you don't actually have a goal in mind and certainly wouldn't agree upon one with me.

>>90196409
>Obviously avoiding the actual question so as to dance around the point, refusing to make your own
What's your question? "How am I supposed to know where the line is?"
Which I answered with, "Because you're the one arguing the point that there is a line and the line is good. So tell me where the line is and explain why the line being there is the best place it can be."
I answered your question.

>The goal is what we would want the nation to be
A equitable and fair one. Deliberately supressing wages and fucking over the poor is not equitable or fair. Why should the poor have to compete for jobs and wages when you don't since you don't want pure open labor markets? You want protectionism for your job, but not theirs since that would cost you money.

>>90191403
>>90191742
youre allowed to dislike immigration.

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aw sweet another /pol/ thread

>>90196459
>So tell me where the line is and explain why the line being there is the best place it can be.
I doubt the line is at the best place it can be, for one thing. I'm just fairly sure that tossing away bunches of people who add more labor than they take back in benefits won't result in some kind of utopia. Clearly we disagree on this and since neither of us will pull facts or numbers from anywhere aside from our asses this end may as well be dropped.

>An equitable and fair one. Deliberately suppressing wages and fucking over the poor is not equitable or fair. Why should the poor have to compete for jobs and wages when you don't since you don't want pure open labor markets? You want protectionism for your job, but not theirs since that would cost you money.
Equitable and fair for who, exactly? If you mean for all the system is so rigged against that that you may as well quit talking. There must be poor. It's in the nature of the wealthy to ensure a massive group beneath them to prop up their lives. How poor is too poor is a question just as valid as how rich is too rich if this is the discussion. And it's funny how you assume much of me. You seem convinced I'm not poor for some reason. I'm not starving, but I'm far from well off. Oh hey, just checked. I'm only about $1K above the poverty line. Neat!

>>90190543
Seems pretty fitting to gumpai though

>>90178652
wasn't this 2 threads before disappearing.

>>90178652
We need a total EN watcher holocaust and that includes you.

>>90197096
>I doubt the line is at the best place it can be, for one thing. I'm just fairly sure that tossing away bunches of people who add more labor than they take back in benefits won't result in some kind of utopia.

So you argument is "I don't know anything. But I am certain of this."
Then you strawman my argument saying I am arguing for utopia when I never said that.

> Clearly we disagree on this and since neither of us will pull facts or numbers from anywhere aside from our asses this end may as well be dropped.
Nigger, this is basic fucking economics. I don't need a fucking paper to tell you that when labor supply goes up, wage demand goes fucking down.

>Equitable and fair for who, exactly?
For everyone competing in the American labor market.

>If you mean for all the system is so rigged against that that you may as well quit talking
Again, strawmanning shit I never said.

>There must be poor.
More strawmanning shit I never said.

> It's in the nature of the wealthy to ensure a massive group beneath them to prop up their lives.
More strawmanning shit I never said.

>How poor is too poor is a question just as valid as how rich is too rich if this is the discussion.
Not a point I ever raised.

>You seem convinced I'm not poor for some reason. I'm not starving, but I'm far from well off. Oh hey, just checked. I'm only about $1K above the poverty line. Neat!
Okay then you're just objectively retarded and acting against your own self interest and the interest of a more fair and equitable society.

You for some reason think that illegal immigration is good for the poor jobs, fucking over your own earning potential. But then don't believe that the rich people's job should be subject to the same labor competition ensuring that you stay locked out of them since your conditions won't improve since the illegal immigrants are making it more difficult to earn money and thus reducing your own social mobility.

>>90197242
I wasn't putting those words in your mouth, dummy. And I didn't say illegal immigration is good I said decimating the labor force we have now would be bad. A well controlled border would be a good thing going forward, but what's in place is functional. Unloading the illegals who are actually committing violent crimes and the like is a step I'm in favor of, but Maria, Maria y Maria working under the table at the hotel down the road are just trying to get by.

>>90197454
>And I didn't say illegal immigration is good I said decimating the labor force we have now would be bad.
Now here's the part where you actually answer to the point I raised. Removing illegal immigrants is not bad. It creates a more fair and equitable labor market for American citizens and improves the overall standard of living and brings more people out of poverty and this will have massive long term benefits for short term pain. This is worth the increase in prices that people further up the food chain will see. Someone being secure in their food and housing is worth someone forgoing a steak dinner every month. Yes this is worth the temporary labor shortage whilst businesses figure out they can't just pay like shit for hard work anymore. Show me your counter argument to this and explain why it's better.

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You /pol/ tards need to shut up and APOLOGIZE.

>>90197586
Just stopping the influx is enough. I do not believe business would come around to not paying like shit in the long term as you do. Union busting and unfair labor practices exist throughout the country and pushing out who is already here will just change who is being taken advantage of as opposed to stopping it. Someone must be fucked, that's the nature of American capitalism. The demographics of the poor is all that would change, so I'm cool with the illegal immigrants being those poor. And so are many of them since they're better off being poor here than elsewhere.

>>90197967
>Just stopping the influx is enough.
Why?

>I do not believe business would come around to not paying like shit in the long term as you do. Union busting and unfair labor practices exist throughout the country and pushing out who is already here will just change who is being taken advantage of as opposed to stopping it.
Okay then open the borders completely if it doesn't matter. Why even try at all if nothing matters? Nothing will improve or change in your life, so why does it matter? If it's 20 million illegals or 200 millions, if businesses will always just pay what they want, then it doesn't matter to you how many people there are. You care so much for others but don't want to even bother making steps for change.

Simply because union busting exists doesn't mean that illegal immigration has to. These are two separate issues that can be dealt with separately. This is a logical fallacy. I can apply the exact same thinking to the border. Why bother securing the border when no matter what people will come? If you build a taller wall, people get taller ladders. If you put barbed wire, people go under. Etc, etc. Why bother trying to stop them when it will never improve, right?

> Someone must be fucked, that's the nature of American capitalism.
Okay, then make it not American capitalism? There's plenty of systems in other parts of the world that offer better lives for everyone involved and rather than being a cuck resided to your lot in life and accepting the drizzles of cum the rich offer you, you can actively take part in forming a better life for yourself and your countrymen.

>The demographics of the poor is all that would change, so I'm cool with the illegal immigrants being those poor
Are you genuinely fucking stupid? Are you fucking pretending that the 37 million Americans who live below the poverty line don't fucking exist or something?

Your answer to my point was "there's no point on improving" which is literally just doomer fallacy, please try again and this time make it coherent.

>>90197900
So what are some ultra edgy opinions this vtuber actually has? That post is very bland and safe.

>>90198147
>please try again and this time make it coherent.
Nah

>>90198332
I accept your concession based retard. Deporting illegal immigrants is great for a fairer and more equitable society. Thanks for playing.

>>90197900
Ever since I was a teenager decades ago I started realizing what people were doing and cringed at it. It's just idiots always trying to fit in by showing how much more extreme they are, but most of them never engage in anything worth a damn. It's all just so childish and insufferable.

You aren't racist. If you were in a room and there was someone of your race who is a normalfag and someone of another race that is into the same things as you, you'd rather interact with the one of a foreign race, meaning you don't put race above all.

>>90198354
Playing, it's funny you should say that. Think of illegal immigration like a game. The guys who are here? They won. There have been too many winners lately, though. Gotta make the game harder for the ones trying now. The tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless they gotta do better. If there isn't some way to get in we're not that America anymore. And don't bother with legal immigration, that's a myth.

Are there any unapologetically racist chuubas?

>>90183456
Jews are the most racist people on the planet and they literally own you wtf are you talking about retard

>>90198840
You missed the Jews for Palestine losers or something?

Is this bitch offbrand Kiki?

>>90198944
Those jews do that SPECIFICALLY to make jews look good/to further attack White people (e.g. redirecting blame from jews on to "colonialism").
There are no jews with institutional power using that to stop jews from literally ethnically cleansing the Palestinians right now, otherwise please name me some jewish oligarchs spending millions of dollars to stop get anti-Zionists elected in office like they do with Zionists (e.g. Trump).

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>>90178747
My racist pirate wife calling me a monkey!

>>90183456
Being racist isn't a personality, lots of people hate faggots like you.

>>90190467
There's a reason she's been pretending to be sick and refusing to stream on her "main" profile, there's no money in it. She did this last time with her totally real cancer grift. She's focusing on her elfin identity.

>>90199001
Its literally just Kiki if she didn't have a soul

>>90199715
You mean SOVL

>>90197900
She's right, you know.

>>90200041
No she's not, jews are the most racist people on the planet and they own you
She's just a dumb thot who has no idea of how the world actually operates.

>>90197900
It's funny this is the reincarnation Mel makes it known just how much of a PoS she is, but at least she admits she acts this way on Elfin for the engagement.