>>90636281As others have said they're probably not being forced to move to Japan, just offered a lot of incentives if they do make the move. Things like sponsorships and preferential treatment with personal projects. Some on the EN side might be OK with being treated as essentially second-class employees if all they want to do is stream and occasionally fly to Japan for the big events, but apparently Fauna wasn't OK with it. Good on her for standing up for herself.
Finally a Fauna and Vesper collab!
>>90639658maybe yagoo yabba dabba doo'd all the investment money into holoearth and literally had to find a lot of cash fast or lose the company.in general however if cover had been a thing since like 2016-17 technically and their operations were in full swing about 2018 onward, generally, those investors who helped get the company off the ground, as long as they're seeing positive signs, outright expect the IPO to follow about 5 years later.my suspicion is yagoo had no fucking idea that the company would go into the directions it did and reach the success that it has. cover was more like a VR tech company initially etc. but it still got off the ground by those investors who now must have been thrilled that they were the seed money for a unicorn company (not the vtuber term but the silicon valley VC one, of breakout-success company that quickly moons in value). they wanted to make good on their invesment and get a big ass payoff. if yagoo didn't do it they might have literally and legally just taken the company from him and then IPO'd it themselves, making resisting them a meaningless gesture. it was always going to happen, but I bet yagoo regrets that it did and he signed those papers to get the VC money back then not really-expecting that it would come to this.
>>90639418I would be surprised, if most of these girls had TDS.
>>90616087Based.
>>90640047Ew she might catch aids from that boomer on grindr
EN whores ruined hololive
>>90639418It forces you to make a decision you didn't think about: do you like the vtuber because of the character she plays and her dynamic with other holos, or do you like her more as a person? If it's the former, graduation isn't much different from retirement. If the latter, you now have the chance to get to know her better than ever before. I thought I was the former but the recent graduations made me realize I was the latter.
I don’t care if it’s true or notThe idea of micomet being turbostacies walking over everyone is too fucking funny
>>9063983527 to be precise. Said she is 24 back in 2021 as Lemonleaf.
>>90639353>She worked for Austrian Airlines.She failed the interview, anon. She applied and went through some on-boarding, but never actually flew with them. t. 4 year long kfp employee
>>90640172Unironically true, Hololive's reputation has been tarnished and the stigma will remain forever, and it's all the fault of these western grifter whores.
>>90640228Do you know more about Kiara's mother and why she was so neglectful towards her?
>>90640228Damn. She even failed in that.
>>90640211Suisei actually is a turbostacy, but Miko's just a retard and being led around and manipulated.
>>90640182You might think it's the latter, but it is always the former. You are never, ever exposed to the vtuber when they aren't playing the character.Even the little bits of breaking character are, in and of themselves, controlled by the girl herself. If she wasn't playing a character, it wouldn't be entertaining. The pandering is just working on you.
>>90640182It's the character 100%, no contest and it's the objective truth for everyone, even if they don't realize.
>>90640228Yeah she said specifically that she stopped at the final interview and said that she figured it wouldn't be for her.>>90640288Kiara's mom is a real piece of work. Many boyfriends through the years, kids with multiple men, and at the end of the day she's now just enjoying herself out inna woods making her own floor in her home and raising livestock. A real 'independent woman' for good and bad.
See it positive anons.This could absolutely mean ASMR collabs with Shondo.
>>90639658the current owners can IPO and be set for life while also taking a big salary hike for the remaining 5-10
>guess who will collab with me soon
>>90640035I just don't get it>cozy kush job in growing hololive attracting EN and JP alike>literally seen as a trailblazer for vtubers >wake up one day and decide you know what? I'm going to slut it up on twitch >vshojo is just an old folks home for vtubers, the AEW to WWE >leave it all
>>90640362Pretty sure Kiara's mom is/was a second-wave feminist.
>>90640392Ultra NTR of saplingsFauna and Shoto ASMR Collab
>>90640371She was all about female empowerment and a fierce advocate for the Twitch hot tub meta to stick it to the guys and independency for women.
>>90562666
>>90639418Well, I don't think tha->KsonYeah, alright. Maybe.
>>90616572*cough* Calli *cough*
>>90640404At least people respect melody marks, unlike orange woman
>>90640404man seeing a woman who looks like she could be my daughter doing this and not some exotic japanese woman really makes it feel very sickening. i don't think i'll ever watch 3dpd again.
>>90640455Funnily enough, she generally hates 'woke' shit and gets into arguments with Kiara about it semi-frequently.
is there going to be a jp-en civil war? At least in niji the jp side can pretend EN doesnt exist, but alot of the jp holos have been posting mega cope shit
>>90640473ni hao
>>90640500I'd unironically pay good money for Sydsnap/Hime JAV. With top rated Japanese male host. Her big Ole tities.
>>90640470
>>90640315She's not hot tho
>>90640563She doesn't like terfs. That mean she doesn't like the trans exclusion these specific feminists do.
>>90640217>an early zoomer from 1997What a cute baby.
>>90639418Isn't it the case that some girls are just slutty and weird? Moreso if you're a streamer type?
>>90640534Bro, I don't know if you've been around here for the past five years or not, but it's been happening since Kizuna Ai was still a thing and we were all on /jp/.
>>90640628Her voice is tho
>>90640447in truth coco was always kind of a crass lowlife ethot. the crass nature is why she has so many JP gachikoi, they see her as this exotic domineering american-ish woman way more brutal and untamed than the usual demure japanese girl. but the thing is as everyone knows and says all the time, her being the brash brute was a fun juxtaposition to the many meek holos out there, like her best friend being a little pipsqueak like kanata was really cute to see and hear about. outside that environment and then especially on twitch, ironically she became the tame one because she is part japanese part american but neither as harsh and loud as the actual american ethots nor tame and reserved as japanese ones.
>>90639758that just sounds like your cuck fantasy, stop projecting
>>90640447>leave it all>being this newNigger, she was fired because of China.
>>90640726Isnt that why Coco Kaine was such a meme? Super slut from the west?
>>90640635She says she doesn't like terfs because it increases her perceived moral value. I don't see her associating with any trans vtubers is all I'm saying.
>>90640782>trans vtubersName one
>>90639148>Austrian girls in Japan.The pattern I have noticed is that they hate Austria for being so small and insignificant and that people overseas will either call them German or Australian. Also Kiara's German is so annoying and she thinks that people in Austria still talk like it was 2009, saying shit like "bam oida!"
>>90640691I think he's talking about HoloJP and HoloEN fans, not 4chan boards.
>>90640217someone else i know who was 24 at the time was born in 1996, and you can easily verify this information online
i feel like this is just mid life crisis and people who just didn't want to commit to this job, none of them ever expected to have to perform or wanted even, they just were in to stream and they are done with it now because of the restrictions of not being to do what they want, whenever they want, i'm just talking about EN case tho, it could apply to both sides but i assume that western people are just weebs that got fed up by the idol thing and japanese had other circumstances besides that
Why are you people discussing this? Fauna and Shondo are very close and the latter is absolutely despised by lefties.
>>90640846>Also Kiara's German is so annoying and she thinks that people in Austria still talk like it was 2009, saying shit like "bam oida!"That's sad, it just goes to show how socially isolated she was for the past 15 years
>>90639418i would venture to guess that fauna is not going to thot it up with dicksucking asmr and a microbikini modelbut i would be happy to be wrong
>>90640848But it still stands.
>>90640919isn't he just a babiniku? there's some like him already but they are not trans or even gay, they just use that avatar
>>90640814Uki, Kronii, Zen, Kumo, Artemis.
>>90640768
>>906408572013 called, they want you back
>>90640919Zen is a babiniku until further notice.
>>90562666I don't feel too good Holobros
>>90641134do you think biboo had something incommon with fauna's graduation?
>>90639918>are ones that had strong fathersis strong synonymous with not having a college degree?because if so then I agree
Is it happening again?
>>90640293iirc, it was a health thing. I think it was something about her back and standing for hours on end. That being said, >taking a woman's word when it comes to physical laborThat's women in general, though. I know Kiara is an easy punching bag, but all women are like that. I mean, just take a glance a Sana.
>>90641073>>90641020>babinikuHow is that any different? He's a guy pretending to be a girl in either case.
>>90640900this is so tiresome. they can reject pretty much any event they want, and they can even send in pre-recorded parts for concerts like Fauna did for BD. she didn't even remember what day BD happened, not tweeting about it until an entire week later. there's literally zero chance performing is a big deal for them if they're not that into it.
>>90641231Take me back, Mirai Akari...
>>90640315>Suisei actually is a turbostacyI can see it. With her strong-arming Cover into keeping her model and putting on such a pristine appearance over the years, I would 100% believe it.
>>90641240he's a guy pretending to be a girl online, not irl
>>90641240One is playing a character, the other is a severe mental disorder.Babinikus are also a part of vtuber culture, older than Hololive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqncAh_28Es
>>90641289for me it was kaguya luna
>>90641240Trannies actually try and think they are a girl.Babiniku are no different from playing as a hot chick in games.
>>90640900>i feel like this is just mid life crisisaqua quitting actually stopped me from quitting my job because I thought she was being retarded and I realized I was probably being retarded too
>>90641134No, she only just moved to Japan. She's in for the long run.Mumei and Gura however...
>>90625408>watching her playing the gameI don't even know what's she playing half the time. Games are just a medium to make her yap, which is way more entertaining than whatever slop is being currently played
Babiniku are literally more true to vtubing than the average vtuber now. Vtubers are supposed to be characters, not just some e-thot wearing the skin of an anime girl, while just being themselves. This is why the times of Youtube videos instead of livestreams was gold.
>>90641062political beliefs are largely heritable and feminism, by nature, breeds itself out of existence. that might even be the driving force behind those graphs
https://youtu.be/qPEGtb_sTKI?si=yRc51w1zbT0mLW9H
>>90641269yeah i didn't want to say all that shit about "idol culture" but yeah having to do those at some points bothers them, imagine if every famous streamer did that all the time, instead they just do a celebration stream and that's it, they don't even have to engage with their audience
>>90641467intended for>>90641204
>>90641339not that anon.I suspected as much when while I was watching zen and henya play halo.I think zen used to be a hardcore halo player.
>>90641467Gura's gig is great for her. I sincerely doubt she'll leave hololive because of how valuable she is to them.She is NOT a consistent streamer. She never has been a consistent streamer, and she never will be a consistent streamer. It's in her nature to make one banger to live off of, leave for five months to fuck her boyfriend, and come back when she needs money. Hololive fulfills that exact niche for her.All of the benefits of going indie are moot for Gura because she isn't a streamer.
>>90639741That was all the way back in 2023, no wayShe was still happy during her anniversary (Aug) and talked about her plans for next year (2025) anniversary. Also talked about how she wanted to make an actual TTRPG for the girls.Don't know what happened to Fauna that gave her the final push to graduation but it must have been relatively recent
>>90639418I can only hope LL understands what made people love Fauna so much. I can't see her ever being a whore but she's not retarded and should know that being political (more likely) will turn people off.
>>90641467Gura's definitely taking the Affiliate out in 2025. We'll see what Mumei and Kronii do. I don't think either of them want to relocate to Japan. Mumei I can see leaving on good terms, but no way Kronii doesn't blast some people on her way out.
>>90641512No, the driving force of that graph is young men and boys being subjected to misandry from feminists.
>>90641563but mumei seemed to be in love with faunahttps://youtube.com/shorts/p5CuRCmyUYY?si=txEnaKWkCuwNIFHH
>>90641285One of the key aspects of modern Woke is to create division and conflicts. It's a Hegelian religion where the dialectic is an inherent part of the Work (not how the terms they use are straight out of hermetic beliefs). They intentionally create antitheses to theses, in the outright religious belief that the following synthesis will be of greater knowledge, reaching towards Gnosis/utopia/whatever the fuck they believe is the endgoal. They turn this dialectical method against themselves too, which leads to purity spirals and a constant inability to create anything good and worthwhile. They only destroy, criticize, negate.
>Cover is not the safe haven for mentally ill women anymore
>>90620283Allow me to play the devil dogs advocate and say that this is targeted at ruffians that may have any doubts about them quitting.
>>90641639They have been renewing the contracts (which is why we get a bunch of graduations one after another) so if Gura is going affiliate, we probably will know very soon.If there is no news in another month, chumbuds should be safe until next Oct
>>90641620Makes sense honestly, I could also see all the funny business with her Senzawa account as nothing more than trolling. I remember back in 2022 Sachiowo's twitter banner read "Have you found what you're looking for yet?". That was obviously years before Ame graduated
Hot Take..As long as Luna and Watame are at Hololive. Hololive will be daijoubu.
>>90641676>misandry from feministsthats just cope from fat uggos
>>90641495Your argument would have made sense if you didn't include a gif of Zentreya.
>>90641639I still think about how she complained about "losing some friends" at Hololive during her last anniversary stream lmao
>>90641751>They intentionally create antitheses to theses, in the outright religious belief that the following synthesis will be of greater knowledge, reaching towards Gnosis/utopia/whatever the fuck they believe is the endgoalIf only that was the endgoal. Its not. They're just hard stuck on the antitheses. They're not actually moving away from the dialectical nature of things but instead clinging harder to identity politics. Ideally dialectical antithesis opposition should only be used to highlight that the structure is artificial and move on from that. Which is a nice theory and practiced by Hindus/Buddhists. But the woke have only adopted half of it and dug themselves into identity politics.
so, will there be dirt on Fauna like there was on Rushia?
>>90641909What?
>>90641751I get the feeling Hololive's hard rule against political talk saved a lot of these girls from themselves. I hope Lemonleaf has enough sense to keep her mouth shut about certain topics.
>>90641911I lost my data recently so I don't have better fitting images.
>Officialy endorsed by HoloIndie
First Lemon leaf Stream has Palestine flag? Um based?
>>90642087Tell him to start making a Kiara game please. We can hope.
>>90642087Only losers constantly lose out. Their whole outlook is a mistake.
>>90642087Wasn't this the guy who went menhera on Ame before? He came back to her?
>>90642087oh no the indie shitter has to start another shitty platformer for the 3053049209 time
>>90641620Gura has been so fucking lucky that the japs haven't realised that they don't need her. I know she was a major cash-cow for years, but she's hasn't been in the past 12-18 months. Honeslty, outside of the Dodgers collab, there's nothing she's done in over a year that was really worth while, let alone just regular streaming. It wouldn't have been as successful, but they could have just slid in another genki En girl like Bae into the Dodgers ads and probably would have still been profitable. They were new at the time, but imagine the twin dogs in the Dodgers collab. They would have fuckin killed it. The jap's fear of change has been protecting Gura for literal years now and it's going to end soon. It's fucking amazing that it hasn't already. Clearly she hates the job and there's nothing Cover can do to bring her back. Particularly now with being a public company, they're not going to let Gura coast for much longer.
>>90641996>They're just hard stuck on the antithesesBecause they believe the synthesis will naturally occur. That's why it's religious. They just have faith in this idea, that as long as they negate, criticize (critical theory!), and create antitheses, the synthesis will blossom on its own. That out of the negation, somehow, in some inherent, divine manner, we will be one step closer to !Gnosis. There are whole movements who focus simply on negation and criticism just out of this belief. That all they have to do is criticize and destroy.It's an actual fucking cognitohazard, an ideological weapon that destroys societies. >But the woke have only adopted half of it and dug themselves into identity politics.Nah, the Woke derive themselves from Hegel and his life's work of popularizing a "gnostic hermetic" system of belief, religion. You can trace every single branch of Woke ideas into Hegel and Marx (through him into Hegel.) And Hegel himself was what could be called a gnosticist.
>>90642087Once the dust settles they're going merge Calli, Kiara, Ina, Bae, and Irys into a new group. The Myth was a lie and the Promise was broken.
>>90639741>love bombinglmao go back
>>90642135Guess that explains why she is leaving, with Migo getting McDonald sponsorship and appearing in their ads...
>>90642227Wokeness usually doesn't work if one or both sides are white.
>>90641909>ad hominemthe adults are talking, sweety.
>>90640447she was urged to leave by cover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_room
>>90639741>shortly after she knew she was going to graduate>15 months before she actually graduatedu 4 real?
>>90642282FWMC will be replacing Gura as the face of Hololive.
>>90642259Despite the name, Smol Ame 2 has the other 4 girls. Doesn't fix the part where it's a platformer, or the part where it doesn't entice 3 of the available members.
>>90640768>Cover literally nuked their Chinese audience for Coco's sake>Nigger, she was fired because of China.How does it feel to be this aggressively retarded?
>>90642010>I hope Lemonleaf has enough sense to keep her mouth shut about certain topics.you know she doesn't. they can't help themselves.
>>90642010She always came off as one of the more genuinely intelligent EN members so I'm hoping she recognises that. But, intelligent people who know they're clever also often feel the need to lecture others, so I don't completely trust she won't go off on some retarded tangent one day
>>90642433They didnt nuke it for Coco. They were also going for Fubuki, Aqua and Haachama.
>>90642282>there's nothing she's done in over a year that was really worth whileDid you forget Gurarium and sushiro collabs, schizo?
>>90619862probably because he's either a plant hired by shareholders that now have access to Cover doing psy-op retardation, or was one of the schizos that thought he had a chance getting vTuber clunge all because she did ASMR and had a nice voice. the rrats around Fauna are some of the most microwaved and constantly stem from the fact that rratters hate Shondo and hate that Fauna knows & is friends with Shondo. It's essentially a self-report that they should have their hard drives checked.>>90619926lmao, this idiot, thinks he actually works at his job. stuff it. most people, even blue collar workers, don't work as hard as they could at their jobs. Most are operating at anywhere from 60-85%, and those are mid-rainge, mid-wit people. Far better to work more efficiently at a lower actual percentage than just keep putting in a ton of effort brute forcing everything. Not to mention, what do you do when you run out of stuff to do? You can't just assume there's more work somewhere, let alone if you'd even be able to help with it. It's always worth a try, but sometimes the sanest option is knowing how to pace yourself so the bucket is just not empty & not full enough. Lotta these 'you don't know hard work' replies are, I'd guess, coming from forever wagie nonces expecting to just get noticed by stacking hours, rather than doing shit that makes their bosses' lives and peers' lives easier.
>>90642377>responds to an ad hominem with an ad hominem
>>90628016Suits want to do more shilling. That would require regular travels to japan to properly record all the promotions. Work travel sucks, constant work travel sucks hard, sucks double so if you have a some very specific lifestyle, like taking care of the family or being vegan or etc. And all that sacrifice just for the sake of shilling new brand of diapers or some shit every so often.
>>90642010Professionalism and free speech only work out when you have a "fuck you" money. And also when you're genuine/intelligent (self critical/open) about your own beliefs.
>>90642377you just dont want to hear the truth
>>90640447She literally said back then that even if others wanted to collab with her, they were shot down as were all of her ideas for streams. Then bunch of mods she was given by managers were actually chink antis and were banning her own members. She was pretty much bullied out. My personal theory is that she cost cover all of those potential chink gacha collabs with games like azur lane, arknights etc. Those gacha collabs/pull streams is where the real potential audience and money is.
>>90642433>Cover literally nuked their Chinese audience for Coco's sake>implying the damage control was able to save Coco's career at Hololive>Coco still had to leave Cover due to the controversyWhat were you were saying again?
so what now i gotta start getting into indies? this sucks
>>90642087>ame>fauna>Why am I a failure?!Just stop having shit taste, faggot.
>>90642491>>90642469Thankfully she's graduating after the election is over. If she had gone indie in September or October she would have shot herself in the foot 100%.
>>90630142by sheer coincidence she's the only other holo I (semi-)actively watch besides Fauna
>>90642614All of the hololive members, maybe not the newest gens have enough clout/fans they would be fine going on their own. When you don't have the overhead of a whole company you need a lot less to profit to survive. The downside is you have to organize on your own and have to spend less on the actual job of performing which can also burn someone out.Way more risk/reward for everything they do.
>>90640857Never hapenned, next time your going to tell me christian and jew just wanted to share peace with the whole planet
>>90642491>She always came off as one of the more genuinely intelligent EN membersYeah, but most intelligent people are still irrational and driven by beliefs and faith, rather than reason and truthfulness. It wouldn't be anything special for her to start ranting about stuff.
>>90642889If you think Miko can survive on her own then you're more retarded than she is.
Yep, I'm done with EN. I know there are other girls, but Advent and Justice are just too zoomer for an Oji-sap like me. Fauna had that millennial sense of humor I could connect with, which I think no one else has.
>>90642552>aquarium>last January, 10 months ago>sushiro>last February, 9 months agoYeah? And? You really think selling a few lunch sets to locals in Japan is enough to keep her on board, Chumbud? Tell me, did you fly out to Sendai or Taiwan to support her?
>>90643027You're not gonna stick out your gyatt for Nerizzler?
>>90641231Can't wait until Gura gets replaced with a chatGPT enhanced Vocaloid
only 1000 comments? even hlgg is bigger right now...
>>90617414A & B
>>90642819>What were you were saying again?If you're gonna talk shit, at least learn to speak properly, retard.What was I saying? Did I stutter motherfucker? Cover literally nuked their Chinese audience for Coco's sakeNow stop making me repeat myself you schizo freak, I have no interest in your delusions
>>90641231wtf happened to that kizuna ai vid?
Why is it that Holofans on /vt/ specifically are such gigantic /pol/fags? It's wild to me.
>>90643027So true, ossan. I've only got IRyS left for regular watching I guess.
Suisei is ordering management to hold Gura hostage because she’s jealous of her being the most subscribed
>>90642995Sorry to break the kayfabe anon she is as likely to survive as anyone else from Hololive. Though to be any kind of streamer means you are some level of weird.
>>90643027>that millennial sense of humor I could connect with, which I think no one else has.This is it. It's just too hard to relate to the whippersnappers.
>>90643047Picrel was what Gura made for Cover and sponsors from her TW collabs. That was more than what every other members (perhaps except Mori) made individually over the entire year
>>90641231Bottom-right looks like an oppai Gura.
>>90617520IDK if I’d describe it as “bitter”. She sounded more emotional, depressed, hurt, etc.
>>90632955HELL NO it isn't.
>>90643159How embarrassing
>>90643201>Cover literally nuked their Chinese audience for Coco's sakeYes, and Coco still had to retire, retard, because of what happened. Take your own advice and reread the thread.
>>90643137This might be offtopic, but are there better versions of chatGPT than just going to openai.com/chatgpt? Because I've used that thing several times (for the first time) recently and almost every single thing it says is incorrect. I tried feeding it math problems and it keeps giving me wrong answers; I tried asking it vtuber/anime/manga questions that you can find online with a simple search and it keeps giving me wrong answers. It seems fucking awful.
>>90617414E. Hoping she at least goes back to her old persona, and streams with Shondo again…
I don't like Suisei anymore...
>>90642352>Fauna unironically left becase Cover wanted to collab with McDonaldsShe just said "disagreement with management" in order to shift the blame on Cover without actively lying.What a whore.
>>90643027Lots of small and lovely indis for us.
>>90643344it is, but unlike japanese the rich faggot do not even show up to work and do not even need to meedle in meeting to ruin everything, so no one notice them (i know, people are retarded)
>>90643320I don't understand how Gura can be the biggest Holotuber, she's boring and unfunny, Korone, Pekora, and Miko are better than her.
>>90631177They wont learn they think they know whats best. In the words of the great riku. >accelerate
>>90643370I think the paid version is better, but there are certain things that AI is good for and others that it's terrible at.
Management is a catchall term for anyone that's not a talent. Disagreement with management is so nebulous and vague that it could be anything.Travel Japan X amount of times a yearMove to Japan by XPerform in X amount of concerts a yearRelease X amounts of songs a yearFocus more on corporate sponsorships over streamingRestrictions on the type of steams they can do (no ASMR, no custom assets, etc)More permission changes on games they can playChanges on monetization and how much the talent makesFocus on becoming a "brand" over just a streamer or idolSpeak conversational level Japanese in X amount of timeIt could have even been something from Fauna's side where she wanted to talk about politics or do something off limits and she was told noOr a million other thingsYes Fauna said that she liked being an idol, singing, and dancing, but we know that she didn't like traveling, permissions, etc. Anyone of these things could have been the straw that broke the camels back. Unfortunately we'll never know unless someone explicitly says it
The saddest thing about Fauna leaving is we will no longer see her tits in the emo outfit. Truly sad
>>90642819She left because the chinks wouldn't stop pestering her and all members that even acknowledged her, constant bot spam in their chats, mass reports, shit all around. Of course she had to leave for their sake.
>>90640777Basically. She also has to overcompensate her behavior even with the JAV stars who tell her to calm down.
>>90643361>had to retireShe didn't have to do shit. She left because she wanted to and said so herself, both as Coco and as KsonNow I believe I told you that I'm not interested in your schizo delusions. Next time, come with some proof if you want to be taken seriously
>>90642135Where can I see this?
>>90624883Fuck man
EN vtubers need to unionize
We need EN girls that are idol goal oriented, don't mind working overtime and travel multiple times a year to JapanAND WE NEED THEM NOW
>>90637780They should go back to drooling to underage idols.
>>90643555I had hoped the questions I asked were things it'd be good at, like solving weird math problems I didn't know how to do or gathering information from Wikis, but it failed those. I also asked it, "What's Aqua's favorite Apex character?" I asked that Aqua one and it gave me an answer, but then I skimmed through a dozen VODs and never saw the character, so I'm guessing it was wrong. It couldn't even name the six Nen types in Hunter x Hunter and I feel like that's seriously just a Google search away, I don't know how it failed that.
>>90643681>She left because the chinksLiterally all you had to say. I'll take this as my victory. Thanks, chud.
>>90643548Who cares about graduations when you can have some debuts?
>>90639741who hurt you bro? lol
2024 has not been a good year, has it
>>90643808Okay, but are you going to pay them more?
>>90643808>BAU BAU
>>90643808Literally impossible. The closest we'll ever get is Kiara and she's not even a real En since she's a europoor. I'm surprised that Yagoo hasn't cracked the whip harder on Irys to fill the En idol gap.
So now that Fauna doesn't have the backing of a corporation then nobody will care if I visit her at home right?
>>90643877Every single female I have ever known on a personal level.
>>90643964Get in line chud
>>90643877>pretending that women don't flippantly destroy lives dailyAlso,>being a nigger
>>90643900>the only members of Advent that will not drop dead as soon as they get put into the meat grinder like Myth and PromiseBiboou will be the first to go because she is like Ame and Fauna a ":I SiGnEd Up FoR VIDEO GAMES AnD No EfFOrT PaSSiVe INcOmE!1!1!!" btw
>>90625894>>90626498Based Japs force-feeding the wanna-be vegans meat so they don't turn into pathetic menlets. Not coping with the western modernism BS is what I like about Japan.
>>90562666>announce graduation before end of the year>graduate start of the next year
>>90637780Losing Sakamata is worse for JP than losing Fauna is for EN. Myth and Promise are kind of a meme, EN has been taken over by Advent and Promise. Sakamata is arguably JP's biggest earner.>>90643881I think you could argue it's been the worst year. 2020 was full of awful news, but it was also full of great news, it's the year when vtubing exploded. This year has had almost no good news, just bad.
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>>90644097>Japs force-feeding the wanna-be vegans meat so they don't turn into pathetic menletsdoesn't seem to be working given the average japanese man is like 5'5"
>>90643900fuwamoco are cute but they feel too "fake"I want girls that talk and act seriously not women that act like babies
>>90644099Lots of Saplings will go out of this year with a BIG firework.
>>90643894it's not a matter a salary, it's a matter many EN members and possibly JP too are too fucking exhausted to keep the idol bullshit into merch pipeline going so Cover needs new girls even more nowAdvent has realistically only FUWAMOCO up to he task long term, Justice ha 0 members that will survive the "less video games, more come to the fucking studio"
>>90644259I imagine most saplings that stick around will migrate to Biboo, Raora, or CC.
Is it going to be awkward once she wins?
>>90644414If you think this category isn't a Nene sweep based on numbers alone you're delusional.
>>90636281In Japan holo advertisement is HUGE. If they can jump into other big markets (Germany, Italy, UK(????))with the same strategy then profits gonna skyrocket, we're talking genuinely recognizable international corpo type of profits, not just obscure jap idol agency.
>>90644405How is that a shitpost?
>>90644239
>>90644410Every Sapling said they either follow her or are done with vtubers.Hololive isn't exactly exciting if you still got your brain.
>>90644410>not following her to her plDo reddit niggers really do this? I mean, her pl yt channel has like quintupled subscribers in the past 24 hours.
>>90618217>hierarchy that rewards ageHagocracy then…
>>90644414This award show is justa s much of a joke as the dewritopope adroll show.
>>90644466Normalfags don't know Nene
>>90644551there's a lot of dumb people that can't figure out innuendo and breadcrumbs thanks to the Sacred Code of Silence, it's not like Doki where her mods said fuck it and explicitly linked her PL (FL?) channel
>790 deleted posts.
why tho
>>90644551Without oversight she'll say something inflammatory about Trump within six months and lose all of her momentum.
>>90643027>Advent and Justice are just too zoomerSame. I started learning JP to increase my options after Gura started taking frequent breaks.
>>90644466Patra mogs your irrelevant whore anyday, and I don't see her in the nominated.
You just know Fauna is just gonna start spamming TikTok reactions and collabs with twitch whores once she settles back as an indie.
>>90632059She's burning down the forest to put up her radio tower.
>>90643808Idol-goal oriented asides, that's basically Justice (for now) as long as you don't force GG & CC to stay outside in JP during summer.
>>90643808>can work overtime>knows how to move aorund corporate bureocracy>can adapt to team enviorments >doesn't mind traveling and is virtually a 3 hours and half commute away from the main office>don't have to start from zero in terms in teaching her singing >already well liked by multiple membersToo bad never ever
her PL just followed the orc dude who's been complaining about hololive management by the way, also followed by senzawa recently alongside dooby so gura may actually be gearing up to leave
>>90644239Why are people pretending she's the new Elira?
>>90637881>it's not that bad guys >it's really complicated okYeah, whatever. There's literally nothing Cover can do that would make Kiara leave, just because she already gone through worse just to get there.
>>90644747I want to say that you're a schizo, but I recently learned that she was from California and it took a bit of enjoyment away from me. t. an anon born and raised in California
>>90644410I like raora and biboo but I'm still following her to her old account
>>90636281they're much better off hiring japanese talent that can speak fluent english rather than getting their talent overseas. They'll expect 10x the pay for half the work
>>90644830What many people aren't realizing is that the Holo girls are vtuber fans as well, they are just fans of the bois. So dissatisfaction among da bois creates dissatisfaction with the girls as well.
>>90644766>no Patra>no Maria>no Meme>no Dona>no Millie>no Haruka
Has Mumei said or done anything since the announcement? Even Gura retweeted Fauna's stream.
>>90644941>millieGod I hate this whole, but her "I Shut Up Now" asmr is pretty great
>>90636281The expansion in north america is specifically an expansion of merchandise. Hololive is transitioning to become a full time shilling operation. You'll see holo faces on candy bars soon
>>90644747Sane people don't like your cult grandpa.
>>90643808or we need to stop bootlicking shitty corpos
>>90644941>who>who>who>who>who>who
>>90645004>Hololive is transitioning
>>90643027See you never, trannyling.
>>90644766Hagchads not allowed to have good things.
>>90643811AI doesn't actually deduce answers the way we do. It just looks for statistically likely answers or something like that. It's really bad at anything it doesn't have existing data for.
>>90645004Sad the girls have to be excluded from that. I guess the greed goes hand in hand
>opening anything in california when you're a japanese companyand so the slow death spiral begins
Who's next?
>>90644993No one puts me to sleep like her(compliment)>>90645037A lot of vtubers that upload asmr regulary every week or multiple times per week. Did Fauna even do a single asmr this year?
>Ame comes out as a columbian>worked for Disney once upon a time>won an academy awardSo what kind of weird shit are we going to find out about Fauna after she graduates?
>>90645037You're just showing how much how an irrelevant cumrag your nene actually is, for you to not even know Patra even though she tips the sales on DLsite whenever she releases something is pure newfaggotry.
>>90637881I don't have that much faith in this considering kiara is the closest holoen has to FBK-tier corporate apologism
>>90645120Oh I'm sure they are getting a bit of it, but proportionately less.I saw the numbers thread pointing out that Holo revenues have increased 600% while the talent compensation only increased 200%
>https://youtube.com/shorts/SXoRK0nL96U?si=rDhKzTmvkP0vTRI7
>>90643808>We need EN girls that are idol goal oriented, don't mind working overtime and travel multiple times a year to Japan>Going to JapanNo, the talent along with the company will relocate to california forever...in due time
>>90645116>It's really bad at anything it doesn't have existing data for.So are we, we just don't realize how much context we take in before making a judgement.
>>90644742Ponder the aroma
>>90644830Honest question, who would need to leave before people start really believing shit needs to change
>>90645038No I mean what's the context of the shitpost, why is posting Suisei's picture enough to anger the jannies?
>>90645200>titclipIs that really what's protecting smiles?
The Sonyfication has begun
>>90645147she's been following the indie accounts for everyone that leaves as senzawa on twitter, would be a based spite move for her to leave since it'd be a massive blow to cover (especially outside of japan) and a pretty notable statement against their shift even more corporate recently. I kind of doubt it though since it's a bad business move to go to indie when she's getting paid tons to sit on her ass currently
>>90645140>new Cover overseas office in Florida
>>90619799>hard failed her opsecTbf, with a voice as recognizable as hers, she’d have failed eventually either way…
>>90645185Yeah that's what I meant, rising all boats, while allowing them to stay what they're doing and good at. But it's always more for them and less for talents.
>>90645364I'm sura gura would earn 10x if she went indie
>>90645320Only SIE and Sony Pictures are in Muttland
>>90640846who the fuck doesn't clhate Austria? Bunch of subverted contrarian leeches. All the worst of Germany without good parts.
>>90645238Fubuki should be enough. But, Pekora, Subaru and Sora could cause it too.
>>90645364If she wanted to be spiteful, she'd make it a regular graduation and not an affiliated one
>>90645320What kind of nightmarish bananas will be there
>>90645379Suisei would NEVER allow a Cover office in such a shitty state. Mike agreed but didn't know what a state was.
>>90644844because its funny
>>90644830Damn, the exhololive workers union
>>90645443yeah, but then she would have to do work
>>90645238the only hits big enough that it'd cause a real issue would be jp cornerstones like marine, pekora, sora, fbk, etc. leaving; although I don't really see that on the horizon. Gura leaving is the biggest currently plausible graduation, it'd set holoen back HARD
>>90645443Her nostream deal is probably rather lucrative and keeps her from getting any ideas for the short-term anyway.
>>90640846>is that they hate Austria for being so small and insignificantIt's just the phantom pain from imperial times. "Used to be grand in past" countries all suffering from that.
>>90644844I mean Sui does give off massive stacy vibes, rrats aside.
>>90644742you shave your armpits so it doesn't smell that bad
>>90645233We're even worse, at least AI researchers clean their data before training with it. We just take in all the bullshit we get and assume it's true.
>>90644844Because the janny got mad and Suisei could do nothing wrong
>>90640846Austria caused devastation last century. Fuck them.
>>90645478>the Elira and Millie of hololiveI don't want this to be true
>>90641751>argues against magical thinking >espouses Hegel
So why is everyone pretending this lazy whore leaving is suddenly a big deal?
>>90645238Fubuki, Pekora, Korone, or Gura would probably shake shit up. Or two from the same recent generation (like 2 from ReGLOSS or Advent). Especially if they list management as the problem.
>>90645443the issue with that is that she'd have to work; even back when she was streaming as senzawa she was super lazy about streaming so I feel like her just taking the infinite free money without having to work is very plausible.>>90645519it's really a matter of how/when/if it happens, I guess; fauna's graduation was a super obvious spite move given that she didn't take affiliate, said the only issue was with management, etc. But I can see gura wanting to hold on to merch royalties and such as an affiliate rather than totally losing the easy income to make a statement like that.
>contract changes to demand 4x yearly visits to japan>also they will no longer pay for your flights, hotels, or amenities >strongly encouraged to move to japan or you are cut out of 90% of opportunities>if you do move to japan they will fuck up your work visa and you can't work there
>>90641751someone translate this nerdspeak to english please
>>90644537Was she really the only smart member ? Does anyone else even have a degree or something ?
>>90645238I think most people believe something needs to change, but people aren't ready to abandon hololive.
>>90645805>already attacking the talent Why are Holodrones like this?
>>90645850>>also they will no longer pay for your flights, hotels, or amenitiesWhy do they pay for Kiara, though? Is it favoritism?
>>90641751So is, for example, the person you're responding to. He's using feminist arguments about "women's spaces" to attack woke. This is simply how knowledge works, Hegel did not invent it but merely described it.
>>90645808fubuki is way too loyal to cover to leave easily, if she does that's an actual death knell
>>90645971>AlreadyShe's been a whore for a long time now
>>90645933Not like there's an alternative. If anything other corpos deliberately set themselves against Holo sensibilities
>>90645850>if you do move to japan they will fuck up your work visa and you can't work therewould be quite ironic after they fucked up Kiara's residence permit.
>>90645933It's unlikely things can be changed at this point. This is just how Hololive is going to be going forward. From Old Bioware to New Bioware before our eyes.
>>90645808Fubuki has said nothing about Fauna, she is loyal to Cover
>>90646053It happened to Ina
>>90646008>He's using feminist arguments about "women's spaces" to attack wokenot really bro unless you think segregation of races is not racist
>>90645805Faggot
>>90646014I doubt she would too, but that's one that would actually get them to remove their heads from their collective asses. I wonder if she would leave if enough of her friends got shit on and graduate though.
>>90646054>From Old Bioware to New Bioware before our eyes.
>>90646084she definitely won't, the rest leaving are plausible but pretty improbable though
>>90645453and those both have way too much sway
>>90645703but the smell is the whole point
>>90646120Both Cover and Fauna can fuck off and die for all I care.
>>90644096To be fair, I'm pretty sure 99% of us WATCH them for video games and the no effort passive stuff. I don't know what the fuck they have to attend meetings or do paperwork for. And whether they hold concerts or put out music or music videos or whatever...that's totally on them. I would never go>Oh wow, I love this vtuber, she made a whole album of generic diva slop!No, I watch cute girls doing cute things. It's cool when they do other stuff, I'm happy FOR them, but the entire point of a vtuber is to be a streamer. I watch streams. I want streams. Anything else is just "neat."
>>90646201Not really. They don't run the main company.
>>90646126No idea what point you're trying to make. If you are throwing a hysterical fit about "men invading women's spaces" you are a feminist, or at least think like one.
>>90646001>Why do they pay for KiaraAnon, Kiara pays her own way to and fro. She loves Japan and she's a genuine weeaboo.
>>90646001the canyon shitter probably sucks mean D
>>90642320>There are whole movements who focus simply on negation and criticism just out of this belief. That all they have to do is criticize and destroy.>It's an actual fucking cognitohazard, an ideological weapon that destroys societies.That's called demagoguery and we got over it *checking the calendar* two and a half thousand years ago. How the fuck are we on base one again?
>>90646054I wouldn't say it's that far gone, the founder is still the CEO. Also we have no idea what layer of management is even responsible for the changes. That person or group of people could get fired and the changes could revert.
>>90645850Funny how other company pays for expenses like that and all idolshit is on demand only.
>>90646261>I would never go Oh wow, I love this vtuber, she made a whole album of generic diva slop!I would and I doI don’t watch Kanata or Towa but I love their musicYou’re enjoying hololive in the wrong ways and for the wrong reasons
So her Nendoroid is going to get canned, what a shame.Was looking forward to getting one too.
How about transferring all ENs currently living in Japan to JP, and then transferring the remaining ENs and their entire business to another company and abolishing EN?
>>90645887They are contrarians that believe everything will be better after they nag everyone else out of society to win all the arguments, except they only know how to nag and not much else
>>90646405FUCK
>>90646405Sad, her model is so cute.
>>90646362Why are you replying to chatgpt drivel?
>>90646362>How the fuck are we on base one again?As a part of an intentional subversive process. Yuri Bezmenov spoke the truth.
>>90646405>you wouldn't be able to put Fauna in a jar
>>90645379Georgia is mini Hollywood and Atlanta has an international airport and it's much cheaper.They didn't really try when picking California. What are they doing, coming here by boat?
>>90646405Man this sucks
>>90646084Again, not likely but someone like her leaving would get their attention. But again, the question wasn't who was likely to go next but who would actually cause them to get their shit together. If it was who is likely next, I'd go with Mumei after she's done with university. I just don't see any other JPs or IDs getting fed up enough to leave right now barring some ugly shit cropping up in the next couple of months.
Can kronii leave next please
>>90646374Middle management bureaucracy and bloat tends to never go away once you let it in. Biggest fucking drain on a growing company. They hardly contribute shit and always cause the most problems so they have something to fix to validate their salaries. Parasites.
>>90646188Remember when blizzard was good?It hurts a little
>>90645320>>90645140>there is already bad cali corpo artit's so over
>>90644749> I started learning JP to increase my options>see some morning show, tune in>she's talking about NES and GBA games>including the wizardry portKeep studying bro, it's worth of it. What does suck is that I don't get the NND memes and the ad references.
>>90646714no
>>90646718Repulsive
>>90646718
>>90643544Same? It's a fucking mystery. But popularity works that way. One coincidence led to another and a random boring girl became a vtubing messiah shining too bright to reasonably critique.
>>90645850Sounds like an elaborate plan to make the talents overly dependent on the company or some old bastard, I mean reliable investor and patron
>>90625708I do. I want her green and elegant again. Lemonleaf is more cutesy uwu soft spoken than the yapping queen that has a million running jokes at any one time with her chat.
>>90646718>>90646779Corporate Memphis somehow manages to be disgusting despite having such few details. How do you create an art style that provokes revulsion with such little artistic content in it?
>>90639758>>90639418If she did that the person getting NTRed would be her boyfriend.
>>90643544a
>>90643544shark teeth are powerful.
>>90643544The average human with access to the internet is a retard
Will this become the largest stickied thread?
>>90646898Such a drama sissy over some drawings.
do people that lose their oshis also drop hololive altogether?
>>90646261Video games streams don't make more merch
>>90645745It could be true, but not only is it unlikely, it has nothing to do with Fauna. The JPs forget the ENs' names half the time, there's no way they have any influence over them or know what they're doing.HOWEVER...now that you mention it, there is ONE thing that sticks out in my memory, and that's the GTA collab. I've actually been keeping track of HoloEN collab participation this year and Fauna's been very active, but only for EN-specific stuff. The only EN event she didn't join was the Haunted House VR, which had JPs and IDs in it, and I forget but I think she bailed on the sponsored race thing because the entire thing fell apart last second. She did not participate in Pekora's or ID's big events, and when fans asked why she wasn't participating in the GTA RP, she said it was due to time zones and she wished EN could have their own GTA RP event. It's possible this got back to MiComet, but more than that, it could be there's been some behind the scenes conversations between Fauna and management that didn't go so well relating to these cross-branch activities. We also know Fauna doesn't like traveling to Japan and she didn't even travel to New York for BD. It could be Cover has become stricter about these things. Or Fauna has and they refused to compromise.Regardless, her graduation window is easily the shortest we've seen. She wasn't planning to graduate in August. Something between early September and early November changed her mind.
>>90646779>>90646718
>>90643544She's funny and a great singer. You just weren't around or didn't get it when it was relevant.
>>90646977I am a sensitive little soul.
>>90643544You don't get it....
>>90643544Because you have shit test and are objectively wrong and Gura is provably the funniest, cutest, most charming, wittiest vtuber in the world when she's at the top of her game. You just never watched her streams in the golden age.
>>90646943No that spot's reserved for Gura's inevitable graduation
>>90646898Because it never tries nor delivers an artistic feeling or message, it's only purpose is to package abhorrent corporate values in a sweet coating
>>90646977It's always amusing to see wokeists try to occupy this manly position, when the text is right there on the pictures.
mori is going through it rn
>>90646982>en1Only cared for Kiara. Never watched gura. Dropped Ame after 1 boring fps stream, dropped Mori after a few streams. >en2Sana my oshi, Fauna was cool. rest was not interesting and Bae looks justa s retarded as Engage(same artist)>en beyond thatI do not care, I do not watch.>jpTowa and Okayu but only so much you can watch without understanding.
>>90647134How did you project "manly" as desired trait into that post? is it because you every waking moment you strive to be "manly" but cry about colourful shapes in your moms basement?
>>90646714never cared for blizzard but watching it happen to bungie etc was bad enough.its a cycle that cannot be broken because the reapers have all the money and power.
>>90647138Is this what rich people do? Nice shade of Faugreen at least
>>90646405Depends on how far in production is it. Stuff like the Rushia figma still got out despite her termination.
>>90647138If she's broken up about something, it's not Fauna. Mori views everyone in Hololive as work-friends and doesn't give a shit about their professional lives.
>people genuinely thought that the Japanese corporate world wouldn't push away the talent
>>90646718unless someone can show that the talents are leaving due to unqualified DEI managers, i'm going to assume these posts are astroturfing and detracting from the real actionable issues that cover needs to address about its management
>>90647212You literally called him a sissy you retard.I would say the woke aren't sending their best but pitifully it seems they actually are.
>>90645805It's just faggotlings samefagging.
>>90647005>Something between early September and early November changed her mind.Are there any upcoming events coming early next year that they might have wanted her to be part of? I'm coming up blank.
>>90647212You literally called him a sissy, Returd.
tldrMoral of story, don't go public?
>>90645805Gura leaving??!?
>>90647270The painting is fucking green you moron
>>90645805>lazy whoreHasn't she streamed the most out of all the pre-Advent ENs this year? I'm not NUMBERS, so I don't know this for sure, but I know that I actually watched Fauna this year and>Gura doesn't stream>Ame doesn't stream>people were complaining Bae doesn't stream>other anons pointed out Irys streams less>Mumei went to college>Kronii had surgery and is going to college>Ina disappeared and people keep doomposting her>no one cares about Kiara or MoriDid I forget someone? When I think of EN, I think of Advent, Justice and Fauna. Fauna was the 6th biggest participant in EnReco, she's had a ton of unarchived karaokes, she's been in every EN event except the haunted VR, she's hosted multiple RP streams, she was part of the GUN collab, she had a memorable April Fool's stream...yeah, HoloEN has become Calli, Fauna, Gigi, Cecilia, Bijou, FWMC and Nerissa's family for me.
>>90645238is this close?
I'll be honest. The amount of dedicated discord tranny haters is kind of shocking.
>>90647356M O N E Y
>>90646718>>90646779owari da
Corpos need to realize that they need to accommodate their top talents. Doesn't matter if they're being silly or demanding or irrational, they're the moneymaker so you need to cater to them to keep them.Since the tides are shufting from corpo to indie, you need to give them enough to stay.They're your lifeblood. Even if they're being unreasonable or petty, so what? If a top talent leaves you're fucked
>>90647145How is it possible to have such horrible taste
>>90647138>Oh fuck. I hope the bitch that's benefitting from the changes that made fauna leave is doing ok
So sick of the "something must be wrong at Hololive" narrative. This is all on Fauna. She made the decision to abandon the fans.
>>90647405>https://youtu.be/ULeDlxa3gyc?si=hrNcpS5HlIGxXbM_was it worth it, yagoo?
>>90647259We don't have a prototype pics yet, she's most likely gone...
>>90647362Move mori 1 or 2 tiers down
>>90647359She essentially signed a Best Wishes card, posted it online, then went back to work.
>>90647482No....>>90647492NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>90647476>abandon the fansFans would just follow her to her next account if she stays in Internet showbiz. All she did was quit a job.
>>90647362I'd put Biboo at Awakened Volcano since she literally just arrived in Japan to start looking for an apartment and she's unironically crazy about her job with only about a year of working. If she jumped right now, that would be really concerning.
>>90647138this person went to art school
>>90626232Filian can be fun to watch, even if her content is often slop…
>>90647510nah her leaving would be big, because there is no way she's going back to her mid music career when there is free money and clout coming in from hololive. It would too easy of a job to give up
>>90639148A girl like her would get 1000s of paypigs to finance her lavish life in Japan, only she doesn't want to take that easy way out.
>>90646718>Fauna let go>The inevitable Black vtuber will debut next yearits rover
>>90647362Move Mori 1 tier up
>>90647643You will sit your ass down and LISTEN
>>90645704>google>"nen types">get "People also ask: what are the six types of Nen?">click it>the answer's right thereChatGPT got this wrong. This. It got THIS wrong.>>90646392>You’re enjoying hololive in the wrong ways and for the wrong reasonsWho made Hololive popular?>Kanata, Towa, Suisei, Watame, Sora, Azkior>Pekora, Korone, Aqua, Coco, Rushia, FubukiEveryone knows the answer to this, anon, I know you can do it.>>90646991Gigi's EnReco merch sold out, which she got, for playing a video game.
>>90647431It's a middle ground though. A corpo require means structure and red tape. They do seem to properly support talents who align with their vision and have done a better job at hiring newbies who are already sold on that vision from the get go. Compared to Myth and Council who were basically just hired for streaming experience alone to get the EN side going. I do wonder how they're treating Gura though, if they fail to retain her then I think you might have a point.
>>90647492God I want to come in this prototype, truly a huge loss.
>>90647476hard to hear through the boot in your mouth
Why is everyone leaving, holy shit
>>90647620>"mori wouldn't do anything THAT stupid"Don't underestimate her lmao. Her leaving would cause an impact but its not unthinkable
>>90647798Ame is convincing them all behind scenes.
>>90647362I'd probably switch Bae and Kronii. Bae's a company girl and Kronii has a history of hating management. Plus Bae moved to Japan.
>>90647259It was a long time ago, but wasn't the nendo released way before her termination?
>>90647643oh no...
>>90647492Cute ru-chan
>>90644830>just followedThat's a really old follow. The only new follow is the girl with scoliosis
>>90647879>women ruining it for other womentale as old as time
>>90647215Bro, it was brutal as it came from every angleTo put it into perspective people cares so much for blizzard stuff that we paid to be shilled at blizzcon then thank them for the privilegeThere were books on the shit we just played and not only were they mostly accurate but considered good on their ownAfter broodwar, frozen throne and a game that let you get lost on the setting like WoW did people could only see positive things happeningThen cracks started to show, Ghost Cancelation, Always online StarCraft 2 the downward spiral of WoW writing to a point we have simps for fucking sylvanas being canon, the breast milk thief and all the company bullshit, Bungie fall from grace wasn't as horrible and disgusting as what happened with blizzard...just look at Diablo if you want to see the bottom of the barrel
>>90647817>inb4 she joins the trash taste retards
>>90647879kek >>90648065oh no
>>90647362Okayu's a bit of a wildcard due to her close relationship with Korone. If her exit was bad Korone would probably go with her.
>>90645443im sure she would not
>>90647798Contract renewel time. It used to be in July, but I guess it's November/December now.
1. American activist investor ruins JP company2. (((Said actor))) is setting it up for failure and short sellingRate theory
>>90641639Waiting to see how active Kronii's PL is lately. Nothing so far. But I'm willing to bet it'll flare up next month.
>>90629431ESL King? No. ESL GOD!
>>90645850cant believe they made aqua and chloe move to japan
>>90647798she clearly stated that it's management
>>90647362Ina and Polka have very devoted fansI may argue that at least one of them is above awakened volcano
>>90648183She already tweeted something last night.
>>90647362move miko up 5 tiers and korone up 10
>>90562666mori killed blue doritio with last mario party
>>906481593/10, remotely plausible but the (((actor))) in question doesn't have enough stock to try that with a high degree of success vs. the likelihood of typical Japanese stubborn turboautism (Boomer stockholder/manager edition) being a culprit yet again.
>>90647798It's the same as with nuclear war. Few big names graduating past years normalized graduations overall in industry. Now everyone with as little conflict is gonna graduate with little regret.
>>90647431To be fair, Hololive is the most demanded corpo. They can put an audition and get a tonne of applications in which at least 5 whores will be decent. And fags will jump into these whores and watch whatever they put out.At least as of now, Hololive is the one company that has real power in the market and can afford to let relatively low # talents go away without caring all that much.
>>90647365People crawl out of the woodwork to defend Corporate Memphis specifically, even though everyone in the public sphere, who isn't caught up in the cargo cult that produces it, hates it
>>90648294I'd awaken my volcano on Polka's tummy.
>>90648183Imagine if we see another one of these in the few months.
who's next
>>90648406Glad we are in agreement of Polka being Walking sexo
>>90644830they followed each other before they were corpo
>>906481593/108/10 if they suddenly get blackrock money
>>90647879based
>>90648159If Blackrock is behind this it will be the mother of all Rrats
>>90647879Why are Cubans so subversive?
>>90648183another leave before the end of the year would be crazy
it feels like Hololive died overnight
>>90647362Some deranged Takodachi would firebomb covers office if ina went against her will
>>90648406>on Polka's tummyNGMI. Breed all hags.
>>90645923It's less a degree thing but type of humor/wit and way of being entertaining, plus background knowledge about earlier periods of the Internet. There's definitely a generation gap sorta feeling between the first two and last two gens, despite having talents of similar age in both groups.
>>90629906Things weren't as corporate back then. Or lucrative. They had fewer rules and graduating meant less.>>90628167Miko just watches a ton of anime. She's gone beyond chuuni and has become an actual anime character. I watched her one time quote an isekai, Hunter x Hunter and One Piece all in like 30 seconds. It was a Minecraft stream.
>>90648684People forget Japan used to have fire bomb rioting in 60s About US Occupation and Treaty debates.
>>90648056I have a rough idea(because a friend tried to get me into star craft).another friend was a big blizzard fan back in the day.the lesson you can take from this is that that good things dont last esp once big money is involved.the cycle always repeats(respawn)but it gets easier to spot the signs.
>>90616608>Ina not saying a thing>isn't she not allowed to because she's in japan without a work visaI thought they fixed that. She was at Gigi's birthday party?
>>90648600it's the guerilla fighter genes
>>90648684all me
>>90648684TAKOS NO
>>90648684>Some deranged Takodachi would firebomb covers office if ina went against her willShe doesn't need a molotov.
>>90646084She did tweet about it on her sub-account, but it was just a statement about wishing her good luck for her future activities. There's nothing else for her to say, they never even interacted really.
>No work visaDon't you literally need one from your employer to even get a job in Japan?
>>90648302The recent tweets are basically a nothingburger atm, unless it's some pretty relevant retweets and follows which they aren't.
So who in Hololive is going to have their Last Cup of Coffee? Place your bets!
>>90648964Yes that is the joke. Cover is bad company defended by crazy monkeys.
>>90647431Anon check the stock price, it went up after the announcement, Investors do not care about anything but money
>>90647817No job means no guarantees, which would mean she has to leave japanno chance she'll ever do that lol
>>90648612if someone threatened to leave right now cover would probably pay them a bonus to stay on for another month
>>90646982Won't lie, unless EN's 5th gen blows it out of the water, I don't have a lot keeping me here.With myth, Ame's gone, Gura and Ina are basically gone, Calli is a mixed bag for me, and Kiara's never once appealed to me.Only member of Council I'll be following now is Bae now that Fauna's hanging up her twigs, don't care for Kronii, Irys has always been the odd man out due to her mismatching design, and a I routinely forget Mumei's even a thing.Advent's fine, although I don't think Shiori is long for this world, Biboo and Bau Bau seem in it for the long run, while Nerissa has a great design but no personality and relys on collabs to stay afloat.And Justice...I can't listen to a single member of this gen, AWFUL accents that completely ruin any escapism, Liz has blatantly fake posh accent, Raora sounds like someones grandmother from the old country, Cici is just plain boring, and Gigi's the worst of all of them no way to pretend she's anything but someones cringy wine aunt with that awful voice.
>>90648956NTA but why would jannies delete this?
>>90648992Exactly, Kronii is fine with Fauna leaving so her behavior hasn't changed.This isn't a Sana situation (cried for 3 days) or Ame blubbering mess on her final stream.
>>90648964That's how it works in most countries, yes.Have you never applied to a job and had to check a box "are you legally allowed to work"? It's asking if you're a citizen or you have a work visa.
>>90648964>>90649163Literally Chinese person working in Japan picking strawberry can easily get JP work visa.Maybe Hololive managers were all just simps and not qualified to do their jobs? Just DMing talents on personal time.
>>90628651>sadistic mommy fauna, who punishes you for being a bad boy…Hnnnnnng…
>>90649231>refuses to leave japan>refuses to learn japanese kakkoi...
>>90649281you know why
>>90648496Gura, Ina, Mumei, Ayame, Shion, Flare, Nerissa, Haachama, Kronii, IRyS, Matuli, Mio, Nenechi, Kanade and most iDs.Truly a good chunk are likely to leave for one reason or another.
>>90649277Don't know Shiori that well but what makes her having a foot out the door?
>>90647362I'd move Kiara to 7th trumpet because as a die-in-the-wolves EU idol even before hololive. If she leaves then something will have gone irreversibly wrong. She is more of a bellweather than Fubuki is.
>>90647005I imagine the whole 'freedom to do stuff optionally' comes with a bit of an asterisk. Skip an event every so often? No biggieBut if Fauna was skipping event after event after event, it was likely beginning to piss off some of management and they turned the screws on her and the result was this graduation.
>>90630188Like anything, it has pros and cons. The benefits of social darwinism is that it extols competence, and only competent people can meaningfully change the world. That said, it’s silly to believe that our current elites are actual meritocrats, or that there isn’t any talent among the masses.
>>90649688No idea how real it is but she came with an indie chip on her shoulder so it wouldn't surprise me
>>90649277>I don't think Shiori is long for this worldWhy do people keep saying this? She's the one in the space the longest. She stuck through it all, even worst bullshit then cover. Yet she's still hereFauna showed the least signs up until 2 weeks ago, and she's going. Ame was on and off for months.
>>90649722yeah,she is similar to her fair-I mean ghost maid friend.
>>90649800>BACK TO THE WALLKiara will take the Black.
>>90649217'Sell the news' is a strategy they're using. I'm specifically citing rocket launches but every time there is a successful rocket launch people sell that companies stock. When they're struggling (low) is when people buy.Cover is higher than Nijisanji yes but people aren't buying high, they're buying low.
>>90630508Based, and Michels’ Iron Law of Oligarchy-pilled and Hobbes-pilled.
>>90649800>Kiara hag javGod please yes.
>>90649597Ayame ain't leaving no matter how hard you seethe
>>90649800>This her back up plan is JAVStop it anon, I can only get so erect
>>90562666I know more about saplings than Fauna herself.
>>90649277Wow, that's crazy. I feel the exact opposite. Myth and Promise are whatever to me. I considered HoloEN a forgettable branch before Advent, I only ever made posts about HoloJP. How much do Myth and Promise stream, besides the wigger and Fauna?
>>90650054Retard
>>90649800If the cake starts doing JAV I unironically may start supporting her for once, then start sending her supportive messages that lowkey are just a ploy to make her feel like shit and maker her think she was just a dirty woman whose place was porn in the end.
>>90649217I know investors are retarded so they don't understand the businessbut they lost an asset that's worth tens of thousands of dollars a year. they literally can't do anything new with the character. even if they think idolshit works without streaming to build the brand, they still have to hire someone new and train them and build an entirely new brand - sunk costs that won't go to their own pockets.If the shareholder logic is "spend our money on ONLY the best ROI!" how is taking a baseball bat to existing hardware a decision they support?
>>90650082Seething? I just think she's likely to take this new affiliate deal, less work but still keeps the passive income while Cover keeps one of their best models.
>>90650060She'll lewdtube with Mel.
Okay lets be honest here, how many suicides will this result? Why can't this bitch be more considerate and do a "long vacation" or something?
>>90650304I never watched her so all my knowledge about her comes from them which just makes her seem like a whore.
>>90650477She is
>>90639247>>90639474What the fuck are these lies lmao>>90639653Do your reps.
>>90650454Saplings aren't people so 0.
>>90649277>unless EN's 5th gen blows it out of the waterwhat do you think EN5 needs to give a boost to Holo? I think Hololive did benefit from getting the Advent girls, but from Justice the girls are the ones being benefited more than the corpo itself.
Protip: Did you know you can change your votes for the Vtuber awards after you're submitted, or skip a category entirely? Just make your changes and submit at the bottom!https://www.thevtuberawards.com/votepic unrelated
>>90650652science agrees
>>90649800>her back up plan is JAVThis is a genuine positive for everyone involved.
>>90650806Retard
>>90650826But not for Kiara. Unlocked Bad ENDING. Japanese ikemen performer puts on clothes, leaving set in Shinjuku, whisper to camera man calling her a whore and laughing.Then Kiara having flashbacks to fun times in Hololive collabs while cum still dripping out of her.
>>90644863she's not
Should've Hololive just started the REAL Holo Gamers division and send all the out of shape introverted neets who mostly wanted to just stream games there and give them a different deal?
>>90644844She's an actual stacy.
>>90651131I cum
>>90651131Ugh I'm going to have to put in another application, even after this, if I want to try to change the future to something I prefer aren't I?God damn it Cover.
>>90633049Woah, someone’s been reading Spengler… Also, a lot of people want to keep making more, even after they’ve become rich, to build generational wealth, and pass it on to their posterity…
>>90651131>>90650826That's pretty fucking hothttps://files.catbox.moe/km07r8.jpg
Who am I supposed to watch now. I just got into this whole thing...
>>90645320>>90646718China doesn't seem bad now, doesn't it?
>>90651324Kiara Humiliation ritual On JR Public train
>>90650826So has Kiara taken advantage of Cover's dental benefits yet?
>>90645320>>90646718>>90646779It's shit like this why we have Justice isn't it...
>>90651592I spit out my coffee lol
>>90649277>Raora sounds like someones grandmother from the old countryThat's what makes her great
>>90651592wonky teeth is Japanese beauty
>>90651834There was a trend 10 or so years ago where japanese women were purposefully fucking up their teeth so they'd get overtly pronounced canines because it was seen as moe, the so called Yaeba trend.
>>90651834>wonky teeth is Japanese beautySo that's why she's a weeb.
>>90651834Only if it's fang like my bf, Baji from Tokyo Revengers.
>>90635601It just breaks kayfabe… But yeah, shouldn’t have been a big deal…
No but seriously, I'd positively support Kiara's JAV ventures.
So do you think her graduation announcement will cause her to reach 1million subs before Jan 3rd?
alright janjans time to unpin this shit
>Been mourning Fauna and looking like metaphorically licked a lemon all day>Now I have the irresistible urge to take Kiara to an American dentist>Imagining Kiara with braces>Gives imagination Kiara a lemon so I can just go back to mourning in peace>make myself laugh
>>90652304It's guaranteed.
>>90652288*old Kiara fans cheer her on for creampie WR attempt*As for me, I'd want her to go the YouTuber route and just get husband in Japan and show pregnancy videos. Like female Pewdiepie.
>>90632844London and Paris are shitholes today thoughbeit
So, the whole mess has been confirmed to have nothing to do with idol activities and trip to Japan. I kind of hate this bitch, she was hated by her previous fan base after she ended her past life, and I doubt she cares about the character of Fauna.
>>90652385>>90652304She should give her 1 million sub wish to Cecilia, the new Green Woman of Hololive.
>>90651131>Kiara wears rhythm costume to shoot JAV>She cried in the taxi after it was overI have boner now
>>90649217Japanese investor's likely don't even realize what is happening. If they think a Nijisanji situation is occurring on the EN side, then you'll see the line start going down.
>>90651834Prominent canines are always kino, you don't have to be Japanese for that
>Mio and Miko have expressed concerns about management in the past>clarify that they have never been overworked due to the rrats making the rounds>UHH AKSHULLY THEY ARE BOOTLICKERSwhen will the dramasisters go away?
>>90652656Problem is that Kiara's teeth aren't 'wonky', they're fucked up.
>Fauna ded>Ame dedWho's next ENsisters? Will they go indie, or worse, to Vshoujo, and slut things up without any suits breathing down their neck? (they will).KEK enjoy your sloppy seconds
>>90652628When did the 1 green woman curse truly start?
>>90637867That would be read as “sálpigx”, no?
>>90651961Basically, all human anime girls you see have fangs like this are Yaeba
>>90637881I'm not giving Kiara $5 to tell me what I already know.
>>90652632>Kiara has flash back to bullying in Austria HS>"OMG Helga, why is Kiara learning fluent Japanese? I bet Kiara is going fail at being a Idol in Japan and resort to starring in JAV porn, OMG I think she heard me lolol"
>>906179425 years would be nearly the entire history of vtubing.Time works different here.
>>90652827VShojo is a dead meme at this point. Doki, Mint, and Dooby have shown that if you're smart and at least somewhat entertaining you can make it as a reincarnated indie.
>>90562666She has always hated her big booba'd model. I guess she reached her limits.
>>90652827>go to VshoujoWhat's wrong with that
>>90652596i posted this.No one even refutes me?
>>90638308Biboo is moving to Japan because she loves the how convenient it is for introverts and she loves the culture and all the things she can buy that we don't have here. Plus Japan is an actual first world country unlike the USA.
https://files.catbox.moe/k0w9t3.mp3 https://files.catbox.moe/fruoxu.mp3 https://files.catbox.moe/basedqtt.mp3 haha
Okay, hear me out.
>>90653222Stroking
>>90652763Her teeth looked better in the recent birthday stream, I guess.
>>90653154Well, I mean, she put the Fauna doll down permanently. She might feel nostalgia for it but not much else. After all, unless you look in a mirror you never see yourself, it's not unreasonable to think she never saw Fauna (character) beyond being an internet toy.
Can Kiara actually survive without hololive? Some of you guys are making it out like she won't be able to last a week without having to resort to JAV to make ends meet.
>>90653216>members moving to Japan are bootlicking weeb company drones>members staying put don't really care for Japanese culture and keep getting shit from managementMakes you wonder
>>90651834There's "wonky" and then there's...
>>90653410I survive on my 40 week wagie retail job. She would be fine. The real question is would Kiara's appetite for the spotlight be sated and allow her to retire to her mental shire or would she be the next Dolly Pardon
I'm gonna miss seeing the anti-vegan schizos seethe for hours even when she rarely ever mentioned it.
Why do you guys make it sound like Kiara can't continue being an idol if she leaves Hololive?
>>90653583Because she's a glorified cosplayer and even she knows it.
>>90653569Kiara also expects her bf to be Fuji Kaze tier. Unrealistic expectations are never good.
>>90638607Well sure, but all it really takes for that to be true is Dunbar’s Number…
>>90643544someone post the vacuum cleaner stream
>>90653583She's old and she's a gaijin. Heck, didn't you see the current trend of real JP idols joining Holo just because they want to stay relevant?
>>90653225Mumei's next to graduate? Is she going to be so pissed off that she'll burn bridges?
>>90653733Yeah I graduated high school before that lad finished kindergarten but I'd try singing if it made her happy as opposed to giving them a headache.
>>90653410If she was able to have a job that gave her livable income and allowed her to vacation a few times a year before hololive, then she should be fine in the future Not counting the money made on the youtube channel, and apparently a ton of KFP donate directly to the RM instead of through holo. I doubt she would go indie since I feel like she would quit vtubing as a whole if she left, but if she did go indie, then she still has quite a few different resources to work off of, and quite a few indies big and small who like her, so she could probably make something work. She'll be fine, the "they know they cant survive without hololive" angle is just a cope over retards not being able to spam about how specific holo members are totally going to graduate within the next 1-2 years. That angle would probably work for some holos before they joined hololive, but pretty much every holo who stays in the company for more than a year has a secure future, even in they end up leaving.
>>90653410>>90653583She's a failed idol who found a company that lets her be a shitty idol without ever being able to failWithout Holo she might as well just whore it out to stay relevant since that's what she wants.
>>90648496Ask suisei and miko
>>90653131There are some homosexual individuals who aren't that thrilled about the potential offcollab with Melody
I secretly licked Kiara's teeth while I was tongue-kissing her, and her face turned red immediately. She is such a cute girl
>>90653996Failed idols will do anything to remain relevant. Just look at FWMC.
>>90619799Aqua's graduation and redebut are the #1 and #3 highest CCV vtuber streams of all time.
>>90653581If someone tells you they are a pedo who has sex with kids one time you're never going to forget it. Same thing.
>>90653996Before joining holo she had a regular job with friends and infrequently uploaded to youtube and posted to twitter while doing cosplaying stuff on the side. If she left, why would that change? Why would she suddenly become a JAV actress?
>>90637881>start looking elsewhereuhhhh
>>90643544cunny model and cunny voice
>>90654277what's your point? is a one time even supposed to mean anything?
>>90646847Investors probably saw the freedom EN had and thought it was a shamefur dispray on both sides
>>90654339She's gotten a taste of the good life and she's not going back, no matter how many tiny blurry dicks she has to suck on camera with her fucked up teeth.
>Fauna graduation sticky turns into thread talking/arguing about Kiara and her RM
>>90620283These are the same two dogs who abandoned their entire EN audience to move to Japan and stream JP hours. Here for us my ass.
>>90643544Korone, Pekora and Miko only speak in Japanese and not many people speak Japanese outside JapanMeanwhile Gura speaks English and everyone and their grandmother speaks English however broken it may be
>>90646053Can Kiara move to Japan again?
>>90654482ME ME ME
>>90643324that's a man
>>90654482Fauna is boring there's only so much you can say about her
>>90654393based cunnychad
>>90643137At least it will have a fixed schedule.
>>90654482If retards realize that they can talk about Kiara's RM and not get banned, then there's a 90% chance they're just going to flood the thread with that sort of discussion since there's really no other place for Kiara's schizos to sperg out about her RM anymore.
>>90653222>ai sloppaskippa
>>90643544She panders hard to a certain subset of the fandom
>>90653402It's honestly really fucked up.Maybe I am a real vtuber fan, the FAUNA character i crush is the woman with green hair and big boobs, and the soul behind the warm voice. Both are indispensable.
>>90654595Not if her stalker is still there
>90654491>5 EN streams per week at EN hours>1-2 JP streams per month at JP hoursget new material, sister. this one's getting boring
I don't follow corpo drama, why are there so many holo graduations?Hololive doesn't have a black company reputation, as far as i know.
>>90654526>not many people speak Japanese outside JapanThey almost made SEA and China speak Japanese but they failed
>>90620971All I can say at this point is that they at least haven't tried to get anyone to off themselves yet, but Nijsanji and Wactor really shouldn't be allowed to set the bar.
You fags are doomposting about how hololive is over in the same way that democrats were doomposting about how they will never recover from this election
>>90650771Brainrot zoomers willing to fail fantastically to carve out their identity.
>>90654475Oh, I should've realized that you were a schizo and not actually looking for genuine discussion, my bad.
Why do people think Kiara is graduating now?
>>90654761Cover went public. That really should explain everything.
>>90654795shut the fuck up
>>90654795both things are true, but not as you think
>>90654795oh they'll recover but they definitely won't be the same
>>90654761Holofans have been wishing vtubers to leave black company, and their wish came true
>>90645887They’re malcontents, who seek to affect change in the world, not by solving conflicts, but by encouraging them, in the hope that those conflicts will present their side with an opportunity to come out on top.
Shadow must feel so vindicated rn
how long will I have to wait for her to redebut?
>>90654795I knew this board was just /pol/ wearing an anime girl wig.
>>90647631Isn’t she an actual lesbo irl?
This marks a turning point for HoloEN. It's a downhill slide from here
>>90654926>Shadowthe hedgehog?
>>90638005The inauthenticity doesn’t really bother me much but I’m someone who enjoys the keyfabe and lore side of vtubers. Personally I’d rather have someone be very clearly playing a character compared to someone who seems authentic because when it comes to entertainers there really is no true authenticity. With someone playing a character I know I’m being deceived and there’s transparency in that fact whereas with someone that comes off as authentic it’s much more of a grey area
>>90644812too much koreans in holo
>>90654976Sometimes we're /pw/ too.
>>90654601I love this brown meme
Got to love how uppity sisters got because of the recent graduationsI'm sure it helps them forget how everyone worth a damn already left NijiEN and everyone left are basically small corpos who barely streamBut by all means, keep celebrating that a few Holos who barely even streamed left the company. Cover is doomed lmao
>>90654976vtubers are CHUD country
>>90639418And for a lot of agency talents, their chemistry with their genmates adds a lot of appeal…
Americans often laugh at British people's teeth, and Japanese women are notorious for their crooked teeth. All the zoomers with braces I saw on tiktok were from the UK without exception.Is this a common trait among islanders?
>>90640857It's literally the opposite. 2nd wave feminists were much more puritanical, anti-porn, anti-prostitution, some basically anti-sex. This strain is still around as radfems, but they are a contrarian group who dislike "woke" feminism, especially trans women. So much queer stuff is adjacent to sexual libertinism when wokness went in that direction, something had to give.
>>90654795Isn't that the only reason to come here?If watching schizos doompost about chuubas was so bad, it shouldn't be so fucking funny
>>90654737what fandom
>>90655382gossiping is literally a low IQ hobby
>>90639336When Ame left it hit hard, and I have to say, it made me realise I'd been living my life on autopilot since the coof, and hadn't been appreciating the people in my life as much as I perhaps should.I also decided to try and catch more streams and vods of my favourite chuuubas, of which Fauna was one. This news was a bit of a shock too, I'd been enjoying her activity lately and was hoping to get at least another year enjoying her company.I guess I'm still at the "anger" phase. Say what you will about Japanese corporate culture and management but eventually when it comes to unhappy talents leaving the buck will stop with someone and I hope they're made to dogeza in the fucking gutter before going on a solo hike through the Sudoku forest. Yes I am that mad right now.
>>90655408the same fandom that loves laplus and shion
>>90643808we need more Latina girl to join EN
Chloe already forgoten...
>>90655560What fandom is that
>>90655662Who?
>>90655662who?
Who are the current members of the HoloRebels faction? Out of EN I can only think of Mumei and Kronii.
>>90655549It's not just Fauna that's leaving. More will follow. It's an open secret that Mumei and Gura are on their way out. But we've also been getting hints that Irys and Bae might be coming next.
>>90655726>>>/v/hoi4
>>90654892Based and true
>>90653122Based
>>90640922I didn’t know lefties hate Shondo, but I’m far-right, and I adore Shondo…
>>90655772post leaked emails
>>90629035>>90628969Orly?https://www.youtube.com/@LemonLeafASMR/videos
>>90655683I'm not going to get a 3 day vacation because of (you). Go lurk more.
>>90655549ame left was that era was over, the Gura/Myth.Fauna is more special i was on the council eraLike Kronii till that incident Fauna and Mumei of course they were special.now is just sadness all 3 are all missingit's just sad
>>90655772Gura following all the indie/pl accounts as senzawa seems like a sign honestly
Publicly traded companies are bad?Jap management is bad?Say it ain't so! I never would have guessed!
>>90653410Realistically every EN at this point would be able to survive in life without hololive at this point. Even before hololive most of them were surviving decently or perfectly fine, including ones like Mori, Ame, and Kiara, who were the most common candidates for "they know they can't survive without hololive" despite the fact that they did just that. They would all also probably be able to be indies if they wanted to aswell since they would have all of their cover money and equipment to get started aswell as the connections they made throughout their time in hololive and if the previous graduations are anything to go by, not only do they NOT lose a significant chunk of their audience, but they also keep pretty much all of their connections they made. Anybody who thinks otherwise is just coping and desperate for a shitposting angle.
>>90656252Best case scenario mom jumps ship too and they just collab as indies I guess
>>90656227People that like cute and funny girls.
>>90656184True, it's just that it confirms she is probably a leftist.
Fauna in one year, if she decides to go full indie
>>90656227What could possibly get you banned?
>>90656312I feel like the people who act as if cover is some sort of necessary force to keep the talents productive, entertaining, well-fed, etc. are just high off of brand loyalty at this point
>>90655772There's no way Bae or Irys would leave, the current direction of the company is exactly what they want to do. Bae literally moved there to do it. Even their canned responses to Fauna are unsympathetic since they literally can't understand why anyone would give up this perfect career.
>>90656427They do at least keep the talent from running their mouths about shit that'll just get them in trouble. Like political statements.
>>90656490>Fauna's two best pals besides mumei>they HATE her nowIt's over, the joy is gone.
>>90656379In one year Indie Fauna will still have a fanbase of 8000 CCV. No one needs you anymore, corpodrone.
i feel demoralized
>>90656490Irys other account just got bluecheck verified and started tweeting. Odd thing to do for a dead account.
What are the chances of Cover responding to the back to back graduations & negative PR with easing up and Fauna reverses her graduation decision?
>>90656312>including ones like Mori, Ame, and Kiara, who were the most common candidates for "they know they can't survive without hololive"It's funny that Ame is on that list, knowing what we know now.But I guess "sound designer" is a hard thing to get experience with in hollywood
It’s the fucking corpsEverything went to shit since Blackrock got involved
>>90656606Multiple talents across JP, EN, and ID have talked about political stuff. I just don't think they care as long as it's nothing that could be considered hyper political leaning to either side. Even then, you have some of the holostars who have outright promoted lgbt/tranny shit on stream with zero issues.
>>90656674You are stupid. Fauna is enneagram 9, she is not meant for freelancing. I love her and I FUCKING DON'T WANT HER GONE. She needs corpo's umbrella
>>90656792None, it's over
>>90656792>and Fauna reverses her graduation decisionHer graduation was solely a spite play against management when being affiliate instead is on the table, she isn’t going back. Big corpos like this also tend to never learn their lesson but we’ll see
>>90656490Agreed, what was Bae's backup? Kindergarten teacher or something? She made it to Japan, and she gets to dance professionally, she's not giving that up.
>>90656752IRyS has said many times recently that she is happy where she is. You would know this if you watched her streams.
>>90656888You’re right she really seems set up to struggle as an indie. Can I get some of cover’s boot too? I’ve heard it’s delicious
>>90656855Fucking Arasaka, choom. Straight up gonk shit.
>>90656855>>90657030They own 2-3% and they are an investment company you dumb /v/ morons.
>>90648388That's true but then you get middling talents. People wouldn't watch Hololive if it was just Chocos and Elizabeths. They come for Gura and Pekora, because they're superbly talented.
>>90656792What's the chance of a pig flying into Tokyo Tower and bringing it down?
>>90656839The specific job that she talked about gets payed peanuts, on top of the fact that alot of the stuff she did work for was kind of rated really low. Hollywood only really gives out the big/decent payments to people like the producers and IRL actors. Take the Sonic movie for example, some of the side-character human actors were getting payed more money than the voice actor for Sonic himself was.
>>90655726Before she graduated, Aqua named Suisei as her successor as the leader of Hololive Resistance (directly named after Nijisanji's crypto-unionization effort).
>>90656894Pain.
>>90657168Aqua was never very smart.
>>90656855>>90657069
>>90657062wtf she was at like 60k when i checked yesterday
>not a cult btw
>>90657062Yeah, subscriber count really shows how well she'll be able to handle collabs, partnership, etc.I am not bootlicker, I like Doki, I like Matara, I like Holomems. But Fauna will not be safe outside corpo (not Holo, in general), you moron
>>90657071Nobody knows how much investment they have made and with what conditions though.
>>90657062I mean if we compare her green almost a million subs, to her loli 200k, it does look like she's struggling >Can I get some of cover’s boot too?only if you post your Fauna membership, sister
>>90657278ANYBODY who fumbles a re/debut with over 200,000 subs deserves to be a failure. If she's not successful as an indie it's 100% on her.
>>90657443she started yesterday with about 20k subs
>>90657405Why do you think this? She's not retarded I'm sure she'll figure something out.
>>90657401If even a lazy fuck like Kronii feels no desire to leave hololive then it's simply not that bad.Fauna is just a lazy cunt who didn't want to deal with constant JP trips and thirsts for le indie bag and being able to do twitch reactslop."I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol" my fucking ass.
>>90646898It's meant to be dehumanizing
>>90657443lemonleaf doesn't look like a loli. am i mistaken?
>>90638308>here fauna laid it flat-out that management alone is specifically why she is leaving. can't get much more clear than that.That's less a "why she's leaving" and more a "who to blame". "Issues with management" could mean just about anything, save the few things she eliminated, such as the idol stuff or streaming requirements.Could be contract issues, required visits to Japan, sexual harassment, just about anything really.
>>90657069https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ThZIXGVRk
>>90657443she's just going to get more before the actual graduation in january
Transcript of Kiara's talk >>90656541
>>90657562https://www.crystalknows.com/enneagram/type-9It is not full personality portrait, but it's the best tool I have. And my intuition tells me it is not good idea for her to go indie. I want her to be fucking beeg and relevant
>>90646718yeah, I've always been suspicious of cover's popularity, expecting it to be some cia psyop like mr beast, asmongold, night media etc, now I feel pretty convinced
>>90657709>>90657262
>>90651750What's wrong with Justice?
>>90657562If she was enneagram 3, 8, 7 or at least 1 or 2, indie might have worked
>>90658081>enneagramYou're too young to be posting here.
>>90657773Let me get this straight... there's so many managerial mishaps for everybody dating back years that you can't even begin to pinpoint the actual cause, it might even be multiple managerial "disagreements" unresolved and just accumulating together. I get what she's trying to say but didn't she just shit on the company harder than Fauna?
>>90658209You can joke, but I am 95% sure that Fauna will not succeed as an indie
>form shell company filled with people loyal to you>sell to shell company, run it unofficially as a 'consultant'.>continue without shareholder scum interference
>>90636423>that's like saying a car is a nice statue and you like sitting by it in the driveway and thus cars are not for drivingIt's more like saying owning a car (a necessity in many developed nations) does not make you a car enthusiast, which is true.Vtubing on paper encompasses a lot of genres and styles of content, and it's only inherently parasocial in the same way any kind of one way interaction is like watching a movie or even just the news. People can engage with it whatever way they want, and I'm with that in anon in the sense I never had any assumption these were my friends/lovers/whatever. They're a form of entertainment. Fauna, Ironmouse, Neuro, Bettel, LordAethelstan, Vinesauce, Jerma, Northerlion, Oneyplay; I watch all of these people and channels for the same reason; they entertain me. And I would imagine a good chunk of the fanbase of any vtuber that isn't explicitly sexual is the same way.
I'm just surprised it wasnt Kronii honestly.She had to HOUND management for a month to even get a singular (You) off of them.Like jesus dude, how terrible. Imagine not being able to do your fucking job, because someone who gets paid more than you doesnt want to do THEIRS
>>90658226It's called working in a japanese company. Half the issues we've even know about for years, it's just never caused graduations before. So because of this sudden spam everyone got tricked into believing there most be some NEW horrible issue that is even WORSE than all the other things they've been dealing with the whole time. When in reality it's just the same old and the quitters simply got tired of it.And it's obvious they are now confident that they can be successful indies and rake in money without corpo cuts, when before they probably thought that's impossible or too risky. That's the REAL main driver here.
>>90562666Why is this sticky up for so long? Fauna doesn't even have 1 million subs she's not that relevant
>>90658602Containment thread. Lightning rod for shitposting.
>>90658602Fauna mogs your oshi and it's not even funny
>>90632059I only watched the nijiGTA, how did the holoGTA go? The nijiGTA went well because Kanae spent a lot of time on STGR even doing behind the scenes balancing stuff with the admins so he could fine tune the game so it fit the people who played, and Hoshikawa was handling community management stuff. He was the one who made the drug cartel on STGR too and the drug cartel was the most popular storyline in nijiGTA. I don't really remember hololive members spending a lot of time with GTA and other than the funny part about not allowing males on the server I didn't really hear anything about it. So I expected that it just went by without much buzz or anything.
>>90658271she will do better than 99% of indies out there
>>90658602the thread has some really good discussion from what I've seen
>>90658700It is not enough. I want her to be doki/shylily league
>>90658807the 2k viewers league?
Why do people complain when they graduate but, not when they not stream for literally a year long
>>90658408Managers are definitely not getting paid more than talents.
>>90658950In terms of subscribers. I just don't want her to lose relevancy. I want her being able to collab with big fishes and participate in big events. And I want her to be happy
Fauna is actually a spiteful punk bitch for citing "disagreements with management" and leaving it at that. She probably cannot legally say more but she should just have not said anything at all rather than be a spiteful cunt on her way out. It's disrespectful to the girls who actually appreciate what Hololive is doing for them and who are enjoying themselves.
>>90642330>Inaif she's even still around
>>90642087>bskyLel
>>90659091Prude blue woman fingers DeepL'd this.
>>90659090she should throw up a big stink then about how much she was bullied or whatever, so she gets a bunch of virtue signaling faggots inviting her to events, just some generic vtuber who graduated from a company and went indie in quiet is a dime a dozen
I'm going to be honest. I did not think "I want Hololive to be popular in America" would be a fucking monkey's paw. I really didn't.
>>90659091Calm down Kronii
>>90659216...or join other corpo
>>90657648>you can't draw people in abstract and geometric ways because... you just can't okay!!!! it's all part of a plot to destroy our heckin traditions!!!!
>>90657278she was 30k before the announcement stream.
>>90658540>And it's obvious they are now confident that they can be successful indies and rake in money without corpo cuts, when before they probably thought that's impossible or too risky. That's the REAL main driver here.>Cover is so back! It's not that bad! Oh wait Fauna is still graduating, our miss let me stay here girl is still leaving due to how incompetent top management are to notice>There have been issues for yearsShould have been fixed and not accepted as normal, this kind of things piles up especially for those who should be treated better in a agency whose job is to manage talents.
>>90657278Anyone can subscribe the real measurement is how many will actually bother to tune in and watch for the long run.
>>90657062Lemonleaf is actual shit though. Enthusiastic unashamed male collabs already exist on her track record. Don't make me tap the sign.
>>90656379She was indie long before fucking corpofags. Lemonleaf practically invented waifu asmr alongside shondo. She didn't need a corpo to get her a 100k subs.
I can't tell what's schizo conspiracy theories and what are educated guesses anymore. Cover went public and Fauna left because it meant the company was going to become woke/marxist?She was made to graduate by the new investor board?Any non-schizo quick run down of the latest events surrounding cover going public?
>>90635221>They're bootlicking numberfag idols, exactly what modern Cover wants from the talent going forward
>>90647005>when fans asked why she wasn't participating in the GTA RP, she said it was due to time zones and she wished EN could have their own GTA RP event. It's possible this got back to MiCometI really hope this doesn't become a sticking point. A lot of EN brought up that they had fun but had the obvious issues of time zones and language barriers. That just seems like something that anybody could reasonably understand.For fuck's sake, you can sum up every interaction CC has with any of the JPs as "DO YOU WANT ICE CREAMU?"
>>90659747Don't speak of the whore Lemonleaf in the same breath as wifedo
>>90659624Or maybe we should just wish Fauna good luck on her new twitchslop journey if she can't be assed to travel to Japan a few times a year.
>>90647333HoloFes for all intents and purposes is considered mandatory. No confirmation but I imagine that's the big one.But they do the recording for that in midsummer, right? Did Fauna go?
>>90659216I mean, that still won't guarantee success as an indie. Holofans don't watch outside of their garden as opposed to other fanbases. That's how you get low conversion rates and Dooby getting around only 1k more CCV than her closest competitor, Mint, despite Dooby having nearly 3x the amount of subs as Mint did in corpo life.But it's not like that is not enough to live off of. That is better off than 99.9% of other streamers/Vtubers and someone is basically set for a career as long as those numbers are maintained.
It's funny how different the threads are now that the defense force has been dispatched. The lag of bureaucracy vs the organic reaction.
>>90659747100k subs is not enough. I'll say it again:I want her to be relevant to stream with other names. I don't want her to become hazbin and have regrets about leaving.She was almost a million, if she did not get 700k+, it would be such a waste
>>90649277>With myth, Ame's gone, Gura and Ina are basically gone>Trinityfag HAHAHAHAHA get what you deserves wallow in your misery.
>>90637224This is what I'm saying. It's almost like they WANT to be jerked around by some findom whore
>>90656077i'm leftie but i fucking love shondo. i'm just not twitter leftie.
>>90653953Tv producers and jp idol boomers also saw that, guess where they are now?
>>90659715average vtuber fan when confronted with the fact that the streamer is not their own personal tradwife and may have male friends or even (gasp) a boyfriend or husband
>>90656252what kronii incident?
>>90660186I don't care as long as they don't bring it to the stream (entertainment). I do not consider cucking entertainment as I am not American.
>>90659715Probably because she's been around longer than your corpo autism. You realize every girl here talks to man irl, because they are normal people. People had none of this retardation when she was just doing ASMR. I bet she misses that.
>>90660264Yeah I bet she misses not being financially securelmao fucking retard
>>90637686She also said she didn't want to move to Japan because she felt like she wouldn't stand out in her lolita dresses anymore so yeah, it checks out kek.
>>90656252the Mori faction won
>>90660255the fact that you perceive any interaction between a woman and a man as cucking you is pretty delusional man
>>90660443Whatever, I won't colloquially use the beaten into the dust term "cucking"I do not enjoy being a third wheel.
>>90649277Why do Britoids need to be so fucking anal about accents, get a fucking grip and stop shitting your knickers over this bollocks.
>>90660255What's the point of being parasocial when you know she is playing a tightrope along some autistic rules?
The reason why Fauna's graduation came as a shock is because she rarely bitched about management. She rarely ever showed there were issues behind the screen. It took her like 2 years to "explain" what happened during her debut and it took her a fucking year to hear her talk about how she fought with management so that her 3D debut doesn't get cut short. She really usually holds it in, for better or worse. So now that she's leaving because of management issues it's like a fucking whiplash.
>>90660533>It took her like 2 years to "explain" what happened during her debutWhat happened?
>>90659791I'm guessing you don't actually watch streams to get this easily confused by schizo posts. Fucking dumbass
>>90660532My Holo oshi is a introvert hikki who doesn't go out or see other people much so she doesn't need to be held to a standard she already lives.
>>90660174Your position basically doesn't exist in modern politics. If someone is talking about right vs left you can confidently assume they mean Tumblr vs 4chan, or whatever.
>>90655772Is it true that chama was also ready to leave and she privated everything?
>>90655772Easily could see Mumei and Gura leaving, Bae and Ina at least in this round of leaving is doubtful. If the talent is currently in Japan they are less likely to leave. That is unless it becomes much worse in the future.
>>90659791Cover went public quite awhile ago, and Fauna is woke AF (vegan FFS), so that isn't the issue.Where the investors maybe a problem is causing Cover to want to force their EN talents to travel to Japan for greater control over them and focusing more on special events and merch than on streams, as that's where the majority of the revenue is now and investors don't understand that those only work because of streams. (And pointing at Gura, can't really blame them for not understanding.)In one of the share holder's meetings, one of the major investors once demanded the privilege of """private sessions""" with the girls, and Yagoo basically told him to fuck off. So could also be some QAnon level shit happening now that Yagoo has less control that Fauna won't agree to. That's the rratiest of rrats, but clearly something extreme must be going on to make the dedicated workhorse that is Fauna of all people bail.
>>90661172>That is unless it becomes much worse in the future.What becomes much worse? Realistically what demands could Cover be making that are so terrible? Fauna didn't even do a professional announcement. Why was she crying? She's a woman so of course she's probably going to cry, but why? All of this just makes Cover look bad without any justification and it's likely we never will get one. So why did she spitefully quit while my oshi is having the time of her life right now? Seems like a personal problem and not something that is Cover's fault. Fauna is a vegan so she isn't exactly smart.
my favorite fauna moment was when she spelled fag out loud and immediately apologized
>>90661254>Ceres "I love not having schedules" Fauna>dedicated workhorseSapkeks are fucking schizophrenic
Alright, you had your 15 minutes of fame, now close the sticky. It doesn't need to be up for 24 hours.
>>90661476This is the first actual EN graduation. Sana doesn't count since she wasn't in the company long enough to leave a meaningful legacy.
>>90660368and Cover will die with it.
>>90661453let me remind them
>>90661536uh, watson?
>>90661419Bae and Kronii already made it clear that they're happy and have no plans on leaving.Whatever Fauna's problems are, they're her own.And I cannot repeat often enough how much of it comes down to them CLEARLY just wanting to become lazy indiesloppers (probably on twitch).
Fauna's graduation is fucking blunder for her. It is stupid. It is stupid. IT IS STUPIDt. Sapling
>>90661607Ame is an "affiliate". Fauna speedran directly to graduation.
>>90661585Puddle arc
>>90645805It'd be forgettable-ish if it were her in isolation. It's just the endpoint in the analysis of what's now become apparent is a pattern. In particular the two consecutive day 1-2 whammy should never have happened even if they were both going to graduate eventually anyway. That's an awful look.
>>90661585It's pretty amazing how her break bullshit spam was completely memoryholed.Yeah Fauna was practically FORCED out and wasn't just looking for an excuse to seem less like selfish grifter trying to get the indie bag.Her "issues" with management were VERY serious, trust her. She TOTALLY wants to be an idol, too.
>>90661621Then let her be a lazy indieslopper. It cost them literally nothing and they can still make bank on merch.
>>90661621Bae and Mori are the canaries, if they leave then something is up.
>>90661680People said the same about Pomu. But now she's better than ever.
>>90661574Calli is based and really ovulating now, you're wrong. Yagoo trusts Calli so do I.
>>90661701Huge respect to anyone who actualyl cuts ties witht his shitty idol wannabe company instead of shaking hands with yagoo on more overpriced merch sales.
>>90660726i am quite aware that people primarily concerned with policy combinatorics, instead of tribalism, are a dwindling resource.
>>90661764Pomu is different from Fauna. Why would Fauna expose herself to such risk without leaving a backdoor. She is either desperate or this decision is based on emotions
>>90661887so true sister
>>90657606>"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol" my fucking ass.Saplings will latch onto this with blind trust, but how many songs/covers/3D lives has she done? The numbers kind of speak for themselves.
>>90661764Pomu is actually driven on her own and is an idol schizo like Kiara. Are you really comparing Fauna to her because of the fucking hair color and that's it?
>>90661916Yagoo's asshole is unlicked right now. Hopt to it.
>>90661980Yagoo made it so my oshi could live a worry free life and be happy and produce entertainment for me so basically you're a retard and he is based. Fauna just needs to get good and improve herself.
>>90643900futamoco
>>90644253Yeah, I don't understand the hype at all. They're kinda annoying af
She better not steal the vtuber award out of pity
>>90662098how people can bootlick this hard is beyond me
>>90662190We've only been given vague comments about the issues, why do you want anon to be so mad anyway?
>>90661913The fact that she isn't going affiliate and that she says, "I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here", suggests her leaving isn't entirely voluntary. It isn't likely a workload demand thing either, given that so many of the girls are streaming once a month or less.Given how she was going on and on about how she was looking forward to Enrico2 and more The Forest sessions, in addition to graduating mid game runs, suggests whatever management did was rather sudden as well. This also isn't when contracts generally run out for Holo.
>>90662098based as fuck
>>90662190Fauna was too vague about her problems with the company and my oshi is happy so I believe it's all on her. Fauna can't even request perms and follow through. I don't care if her manager is shit and forgot to tell her the perms went through. She should be sending daily emails until she gets confirmation. She lacks initiative.
I will miss her fat titties.
>>90655772>we've also been getting hints that Irys and Bae might be coming next.You're pulling that out of your ass. There's 0 indication IRyS is unhappy with her current situation. She's doing recordings and projects(another original or even an ep is in the works). She likes her mane-chan and regularly hangs out with her. She complains about something only whe n she reminisces about the past.If you said that a year ago, I would buy it, she was in a bad place. But everything is different now.Bae, can't say. She seems content enough to me. Like other anon said, she moved to japan specifically to be to take on even more projects, to be overworked, she chose this.
>>90661887
My theory is the new owners want everyone to move to Japan and be overseen by Japanese managers.That way they can more tightly control the talent and insure the product is palatable for a domestic audience.
>>90661942Fauna has a huge dedicated audience
>>90662404Yeah but they were "encouraging" them to move through incentives instead of directly forcing them. If you didn't want to move, you had to travel to to japan like 4x per year while paying the hotel and plane yourself. Part of the "incentive" to move.
>>90650454>suicides>be more considerateShe's just quitting a job. Calm your tits, anon.
>>90650454if you were gonna kill yourself over this, then it's probably a net positive for the world anyway.
>>90662301This is grim asf
>>90662404>>90662510Seems a good horse to put money on, but I would feel better if it was a contract change that would also explain the recent rash of JP graduations, and all the other girls citing issues with management to one degree or another.
>>90662404If they wanted talents isolated in a foreign country where they can't speak the language, that is a classic way to force them to be dependent on you and make them easier to manipulate.I can see them wanting to do it and not even thinking for a second how bad of an idea it really is.If they wanted to go this hard then they should change their hiring requirements to include practical japanese if not N4 fluency.
>>90662404If you have to be coerced to leave whatever shithole you live in to move to glorious Nippon you probably shouldn't be employed with Cover anyways.
>>90662404that's not a theory that's a hypothesis
>>90661803never forgive never forget,she girlboss fked the fans just to own us 3rd times the charm baby forever an anti
>>90663131Very intriguing, now take your meds and watch the Fauna stream.
>>90662804I was thinking this but didn't want to say it. Japan has a way its run and that's not a healthy environment for anyone from the West. Native Japanese aren't going to have fun and the "Gaijin" are just going to gather among themselves.Some people don't handle solitude itself very well. Imagine your only companion is Tingle from the Legend of Zelda. I'm not going to Japanese jail for knocking some Japanese doofus out.
>>90661621>>90661750mori fucked up her chances, she knows she's nothing without hololivesame with bae she's a runt.
>>90659715Why do corpofags freak out over any normal interaction with a guys, but love the fact that a whole group of men monitor and control everything their oshi does?
>>90639692>Ame was my first vtuberNigga you are literally underage
>>90648620having been a sports fan for multiple decades I've felt this feeling before whenever a team seemingly is in their prime and establishing a dynasty and then for some reason out of nowhere a decent, not a star but a core, player either lets his contract expire and signs somewhere else or reportedly asks to be traded or in the case of Beast Mode Marshawn Lynch, just retired on the spot. At first its confusing, but then you start to hear whispers and rumors and then other players start dipping out. Then next thing you know the dynasty is done and the stars are gone and the team fades back into obscurity and the head coach or general manager gets fired. Then a decade later you find out the whole time that Russel Wilson was a piece of shit to his team mates and could get away with everything. Tale as old as time.
>Are you scared?>Are you fucking finally scared of the incoming internal evaluation?>There has been to many chances to fix your shit up and do your job.
>>90661680She's been lemonleaf long before she was fauna. She's coming back to her kingdom, and leaving your autism behind
>>90663350I do not wish to boost the social status of any man other than me. This includes increasing the amount of money he can potentially earn as well as facilitating building a friendship with the objection of my affection (my oshi) by being their audience. All men other than me must fucking hang. ALL men. Taken to the ultimate ends, even my own father must burn. Hope this helps.
>>90663650>Suisei, who has a long noseabstract_merchant.jpg
Good morning VT, had coffee yet?
>>90663650This is some spicy stuff.
If Cover wanted to go full idol they should've done that from the start. And actually hire singers, dancers and musicians. Instead they hired a bunch of streamers who made the company succesful through streams and are now forcing them to go to nipland and dance. All because they wasted an ungodly amount of money on a shitty 3D studio.
>>90662404how does this explain aqua and chloe
>>90663984Dang. i agree with you anon
Mio hyping up Bijou moving to Japan, showed Fauna graduating and then said nothing. I think we know who's side she's on.
>some absolute fucking retard tried to argue that "no ackshully there's no reason to panic, for every talent that graduates for not wanting to become an actual idol for pennies there will be like 10 new hires, don't doomerpost, like 7 talents graduated years ago and it was fine" with me fucking retarded ass faggot
>>90663984Cover improvised and they accidentally were successful. They tried first to copy Kizuna Ai and later they tried to copy Nijisanji's JK Gumi.
>>90663921More in the fact that they chose to put their heads in the ground and drown in their headcanons. But there are those of course who were very unaware of her PL so they get a bit of a pass. But boy are they gonna have a big surprise when lemonleaf mentions her SO on stream or he makes some sort of appearance. My condolences to the poor innocent saplings out there.
>>90663984The want whatever makes money. It turns out live shows make a buttfuck amount of money. So do sponsorships.So Cover's calculation is More live shows + more sponsorships = more moneyOne thing they are probably not taking into account however is that if Hololive itself is not popular, the shows/shill campaigns won't be either. Let's say a girl like Fauna doesn't participate in moneymaking operations, she is still raising the popularity of the company and creating fertile ground for the others to harvest. Those people have indirect value, and they are being tossed aside by short sighted thinking.
The nerve of this guy.
>>90663984"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol.", she said in her brief graduation stream, while expressing joy at having been given the opportunity to sing and dance. Granted, a lot of people here won't take her word for it, but I somewhat doubt it's a deal breaker issue for her, even if some of the other graduates seem to be citing it. Also given how sudden this is, and all the long term plans she was making up until just weeks ago, it must be something more drastic and more recent. Perhaps being required to go to Japan four times a year on her own dime, but perhaps something else more common to the recent rash of graduations.
>>90663921Sure whatever I don't care Hololive kept her personal life under wraps and that's a good thing.
>>90663350if they want to do it i dgaf, but i rather not watch it,hope she's states it early, so i can just ignore her re debut
>>90664355On top of that there are only so many English speakers that will put up with it. If Cover wants to abuse Westerners mentally or otherwise they can pull up their stakes and stay in their Oklahoma sized archipelago.
>>90562666Did she seriously do this just to steal attention from Chloe?
>>90664480no individual can be okay with denial and claim to be a man. maybe you're a troon.
>>90662433*had
>>90664581Um ackshually I'm doing the right and moral thing by not being a doxfag
>>90664447Why could not she just move to jp? She would not be alone, since all her collegues eventually also were forced to move. It is just sad, very sad
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>>90663984>If Cover wanted to go full idol they should've done that from the start.The idol direction has been known since late-2019, with the release of Shiny Smily Story. It wasn't til 1 year after this that Myth even became a thing. There's two things that happened here: 1. the first two waves applied without doing their research and didn't really know what they were getting into. 2. EN got an unusually long grace period due to covid and some of them didn't adapt well when things returned to normal and they started being asked to fulfill their main responsibilities.
>>90664742That being deleted everytime gives it more and more validity kek
>>90664418Yeah I got mad when I saw that and left a comment that could be open to interpretation (kind or not) so if he investigates he'll be greeted with a nice picture of Marines throwing up the American flag on Iwo Jima.My entire childhood was basically the pacific theater and I cannot see Japanese as kind silly goofy goobers.
>>90664344Not every sapling is a parasocial schizo. I have no idea if she has a bf or husband, even, but even if she does, I don't see how that changes anything. How does that detracts from her being a witty and entertaining streamer?
>>90664480That thing is paradoxically why Hololive is crashing
>>90664753Imagine raising children in the US among american zoomers and alphas instead of xenophobic (based) Japan
>>90664447I think what Fauna and Kiara are both trying to hint at in their statements is that Fauna had some particular unique problem with management that doesn't carry over to the other talents. I mean we know they have personalized managers in Holo for the most part.
>>90664742Meh, new jannies not realizing that deleting rrats just gives them more power - one would think the ones that were around for the GUURAT would have learned their lesson. That one took off like wildfire as soon as it was deleted.Killing rrats is not your job jannies. If it doesn't contain doxx, leave the rumor mill alone. It's better to let it sort itself out, especially when most of the replies to the rrat are doubters.
the big push towards the dogs the last few months making more sense heh
>>90664447>"I'm not leaving because I don't want to be an idol."She doesn't even get what an idol is.
Their main responsibility is selling merch everything else is secondaryIf fauna was moving merch like Pekora she could do anything she wanted and management would be fine with it >>90664930blessed
>>90665016This board is a bit strange compared to the rest of the site. But it's the case that when the mods decides something should be shut down, it gets shut down. There's nothing you can do and complaining won't fix it.
>>90664673Yes, moving to a entirely different country and abandon all friends and family is just something everyone would love to do. Not to mention Japan is a shithole of a country to live in
>>90665056I heard she was the second biggest merch mover on the EN side, though I don't have a source for that.
The fuck is going on in Cover? Seriously.How tall is their middle manager sandwich to be this incompetent and fuck up releasing a song meant to coincide with the goth outfits?
>>90665122>Japan is a shithole of a country to live inElaborate
>>90665200larry fink
I realized Hololive had no good future back in mid 2022. I came back shortly for Fuwamoco's first couple months but left before I fell back in. JP indies as background noise is the only you should be engaging with vtubing (if you don't understand Japanese you shouldn't even be browsing this board imo), this is not a medium worth dedicating to
>>90665114No, it doesn't, that's the problem. This particular rrat is particularly stupid and I'd like to see it shut down, but the mods are just adding fuel to the fire like they have with every other giant plague baring rrat that survives and thrives on this board.The fact that the deletions are haphazard suggest there are older mods that know better.
>>90665244i believe it
>>90664945I was just replying to the other guy how some unaware saplings will go ballistic to that tidbit of info while some will just shrug and either move on to watch her future contents. Didn't say nothing else regarding what you're going for.
>>90665210He's probably upset the McDonald's aren't as unhealthy there.
>>90665210NTA but the Yen is weak right now and you have to leave and go home to renew your visa then re-enter the country.You can buy property as a foreigner but every so often you have to abandon it or have a house sitter.You can have a car and a normal sized house if you live rural but you have to be trapped like a sardine like millions of others if you have to live in a city.
>>90663921my sides would transcend the cosmos if she does a day one, actual dick sucking ASMR combined with the absolute raunchiest commentary
>>90665200Japan has a really weird attitude regarding corporations in general.>extreme emphasis on seniority and traditions>corporation is seen as your family and loyalty is demanded>huge tribalistic loyalty among people for corporations>corporations also have ludicrous powers to shut down detractors, acting almost like shogunates to themselvesI think it's a fusion of traditional culture with modern economy that created something bizarre.
>>90665286i'd say you're right, but a friend of mine befriended his oshii irl and i've been jealous as fuck ever since. he already has a girlfriend, why is he doing this. i would kill to get literally 1/1000 of the time he gets with two girls. i don't even know how his girlfriend is ok with it.
>>90665210I would say anime has disillusioned to the reality of Japan but honestly even anime show how shitty Japan is so it really is all on you.
>>90665001Would you want your children to be so culturally alien to you? I suppose if you can't find any refuge in the west it would be a last option
>>90665122As a person who did exact same thing in pursuit of career, I must say it is great. My children will have swiss passport and far away from american trannies and eu browns. There are few decent places to raise children and Japan is one of them
>>90664771>idol since 2019That would explain why the JPs are saying there hasn't been any major changes recently. Corpo perms and risk appetite would change every year but that's just the norm.
>>90665484let's be real, you'd annoy your oshi day and night if you knew her personally.
>>90665569Okay mr money bag
>>90665558Japan/Taiwan/South Korea/Switzerland are the only countries with decent economy and without globohomo shill
>>90665210Don't listen to the schizo. Japan has some appealing points and some annoying points, like every other country in the world.
>>90664673Moving to another country (especially one with a different language from your own) is not easy, fast, or cheap. She would have to leave her friends, family, and home culture for what is ultimately just a job, which is subject to the headaches of work visas and Japanese corporate bullshit.
>>90665730Nobody should deal with Koreans. Finns are alright too, "leave me fucking alone", the country
>>90661585>hates schedulesso it was all Ame's fault
>>90665460>I think it's a fusion of traditional culture with modern economy that created something bizarre.Its more so that the despotic culture is still there, it never left, it just has a thin coat of modernity paint on it that scratches off really easily.
>>90665880Yes, but Finland is in EU
attention: Fauna is pissing
>>90664771> the first two waves applied without doing their researchThen why the fuck did Cover hire them when it's pretty clear some have zero musical talent and most of their resume is centered around streaming? Why not hiring actual musicians?And lets be honest Holos in the west aren't succeeding because of their music. Idol culture isn't a thing here. They will never manage to get a EN Suisei and even Mori is arguably far bigger in Japan.
seems like a lot of niji fans are trying to twist things with limited info to make cover look badcurrently we just don't have enough info to judge yet
So who is gonna take care of the Saplings with their mommy is gone? They will be homeless and vulnerable. It's the perfect time to take advantage of them.
rrat for two years from now: decreasing western interest combined with the severe consequences of raising their ire (example: the burning corpse of nijiEN and anycolor's stock) will lead to a gradual disposal of EN talent not willing to play the japanese way except gura she can do whatever the fuck she wants
>>90666147They'll either be painted yellow and follow her, or Pebbles will paint them gray to hide them from the many avian predators and Nene's insect pets.
>>90666110We've lost four girls in as many months, six in the year, and each and every one of them has cited issues with management.There's a veritable pile of canaries on the floor here, Anon.
>>90666147Depends on sapling, I am also kronie and pemaloe. For the dependant type, maybe Nerissa or Raora
>>90665730Child-rearing is on the parents, not the state. If you can't raise a child properly in your home country, you'll undoubtedly fuck it up regardless of where you move.
>>90664771First wave was during Covid so of course there was less of idol and traveling shit. And girls we the happiest.
>>90666385Tell that to Canada or North Korea.
>>90666385Public school system. I hope I will be able to afford private, but I don't want my children to be in any proximity to brown or fatherless children under any circumstances. I don't want them even to think that they are something else than a scum
>>90666635is that worth your kids growing up to hate you? empathy can be grown, yes, but it can also be innate.
>>90562666All these whores using corporations to advertise themselves and then run off with the fans are going to cause irreparable damage to trust. Future members of any company will have their ass tied down to stop them from running off with the money.
>>90666635Kek your children will end up great with you. Father of the year material right here
>>90666459>And girls we the happiest.Absolutely delusional. First year was a trial by fire, a pit with wolves, a short pdf and "good luck figuring this out" was all they were given. It was rough as fuck. Every girl in myth talked about that.
>>90666046on my lap all over meshe drank 2 gallons of arizona
>>90666094At first they were expected to be just streamers, with the possibility of becoming more idol focused in the future. No musical talent isn't an issue despite the initial impressions, people pick girls to turn into idols with no real previous talent all the time there. Its something that can be trained>Why not hiring actual musicians?Artists that fill all the checkboxes aren't that many despite what you'd imagine, besides they can't exactly have overlapping personalities which further reduces the pool
>>90666736American public schools are zoo hell holes
>>90665460It certainly is bizarre. You have chill people, who also happen to contribute PR and sales, continuously voicing frustrations about how things are getting (not) done, projects vetoed AFTER they already got greenlit and AFTER expenses were made. This should have been a high priority issue from the get go.
>>90666801thats like 400g of sugar bro!
>>90666147Cc & Biboo for gaming. Nerissa for comfort
>>90666260putting on the otomo suit
>>90666736I was grown this way. And I love my parents as I grew up. Because I don't have any problems with capitalism, which is common among my peers
>>90666859just as planned
>>90666147Raora is the new EN mommy.
>>90666958Now that you mention it, I can kind of see it.
Seedbros...
>>90667077Raora the mommy, Elizabeth the aunt, Nerissa the older sister
>>90638178the curse is realthere can only be one green woman
Kronii will join Kaela's stream. I believe it!
>>90666937>BibooKys
>>90667394The janny broke his mouse and keyboard with his tears. He has to run to walmart and get a new ones
>>90663641Post like these made me realize incel isn't just a buzzword.
>>90652827>go indie, or worse, to VshoujoThere is a secret, evil third option.
Kaela saying they knew about this long before the fans. She's actually saying a lot.
>>90667760Vshojo~phase >> indie for Fauna type.She's not driven enough to become relatively as big as she was in holo as indie
>>90666792From the sound of things, there's still a lot of rough patches that need adrressing. Council had an easier time because Myth had learned the hard way and was available to show them the ropes, not because EN management magically became golden. I guess in you're far more likely to have decent support if you just move to Japan. I don't buy for a second that Cover's intentionally pressuring them to move,but I do believe those who are willing have realized it was the smart thing to do if they wanted to remain holos for the long-term.
>>90667835That's not saying anything. That's obvious.
>>90667969Some people still thought this was a surprise announcement.
>>90666110True, we should wait for at least 2 additional graduations, then MAYBE we'll have enough info.
>>90666801B A S E DASED
>>90638936>x
>>90562666>(insert vtuber here) wont graduate>"their activity on their old account means nothing">they graduate>everyone acts surprised>repeat cycle
Kaela hates the Saplings who are malding on Twitter.
>>90667930I do think she'd struggle a lot more without the support of a company, and considering that her main point was disagreements with management, I thought Phase might be one of the more likely options considering - as far as I know, at least - they're a lot more lax with their talents, for better or for worse.Granted, I guess the same can be said for VShojo, we could flip a coin.
>>90667394Same thing happened with Akuwa, it's probably because they're JP
>>90668423It's always people who oshi the company over the person.>She won't graduate because the company must be good and so she'll always stay in the company be
>>90668053It was a surprise for Noel. She didn't read the internal notification.
>>90668319There will be a generation that doesn't know it was called 'twitter' at some point no matter how retarded the attempt at rebranding was.Might as well get used to it getting called X
>>90666147NotFauna will
>>90668053These things are never a surprise unless you don't care enough to hear about the news before things show up on twitter
>Kaela says all fan feelings are valid WDSM?
>>90669088Your feelings are valid. They're a completely natural, sensible and valid reaction for someone like you, in your situation, to be having.
>>90669170even the horse stuff?
>>90669205You are what you are.
>>90665452Right.Because you'd find it funny, right anon?
>>90669088She's getting tired of the graduations. How many has she gone through? That's her way of saying you should ream Yagoo's ass until you get answers.
Guess the green course was not a joke after all.
>>90665412i just flew to south korea and went back to japan right after a week, next time probably need to enjoy S.korea for a month before going to JP again.
>>90669276>How many has she gone through?Like, 2? Fauna and Sana. Is Ame still gone?
It's time to remove the sticky. 30 minutes until 24h.
>>90660174We must secure the existence of our Shondo, and a future for loli wives…
>>90669981The sticking will continue until morale improves.
>>90669907She cares about JPs as well. And the affiliate thing is a graduation.
>>90654981lmao no, why people still think any of the Hololive girls are lesbians, is a marketing tactic, just like the twincest with fuwamoco.
>>90669825
>Kaela isn't going anywhere But, we already knew that.
Kaela wants the fans to fuck each other, but not in a yabai way.
>>90670164Fauna did catch me by surprise honestly. I wonder how many others are secretly brooding about things
>>90670253Based Kaela
>>90647431You know what doesn't make sense? You know what has me concerned? ID. Let's be frankly VERY brutally honest for a second here. ID is not a money making generation. They are easily shadowed by EN and JP. They are a great generation but the runts of the letter do exist there. Do I have to be concerned for Kaela? Is Anya safe?What about the Holostars? Sure, I'm not a fan of them but they have their audience. They are even BIGGER runts of the litter. Are THEY in danger? Or are they protected by Yagoo? For how long then considering they use resources that could go towards the girls?What is the measurement for success with these fucking shareholders? The likely chance of a "mascot for a McDonalds commercial"?I really did not think there was a monkey's paw to me wanting Hololive to get bigger.
>>90670097>just like the twincest with fuwamoco.I feel like fuwamoco are so commited to the kayfabe anything could happen.
>>90670501Anon, all the ID girls are rich now thanks to the exchange rate and Hololive, they aren't leaving.
>>90640455>a second-wave feminist.How many waves of feminism are we considering here? 3 or 4? because 4 would make Kiara's mom over 100 years old
>>90670703Kobo is menhera and she was complaining about being too poor to afford a hotel in japan
Tumbling down
>>90670781when does the circuit breaker go off?
It's simple. Those that want to perform and produce music/don't really care for streaming will stick it out and thrive. Those that just want to stream occasionally will graduate. Both Ame and Fauna have already quit, the two most SOVLFUL EN singers. The writing is on the wall.
>>90667394Fauna is a board darling. When Gura graduates I doubt the sticky will ever be deleted
>>90670501ID is fine, there's a reason they get less Gens and only have 3 members in a Gen. I doubt they're going to axe anyone. They probably will get less resources but unfortunately it's probably something they're used to.
>>90670858i found the table. the circuit breaker is at -500 in their price band.
>>90670781Buy the drop.
>>90670781Well that's just a coincidence, otherwise it would have gone down yesterday.
>>90671123>otherwise it would have gone down yesterday.My nigga, yesterday it was Sunday. Stock exchanges are closed. It's no coincidence that they give these kind of news on a Friday evening or the weekend.
Why the fuck Cover went public?Were they THAT desperate for money? Were the JP and EN branches not profitable enough?If it was a decision motivated by greed it was a colossally retarded decision.
hi im a lemon
>>90671272I'm pretty sure when Sora and AZKi approached Yagoo the company was already on the verge of bankruptcy
>>90671272esl retard
>>90670781Negligible.
>>90562666Chloebros where's our 2 day sticky...
>>90671123The average anon here don't even know what a stock exchange is. It's a business like any other. It's not a magical realm of gnomes prodding and pushing and pulling lines on a chart. Yesterday was Sunday in Japan, and white collars don't work on Sunday.
>>90670501Grim
>>90642135>First Lemon leaf Stream has Palestine flag? Um based?Based. Inshallah
Bae is live.
>>90642087This fucking guy again, he always thinks the world revolves around himAfter the Smol Ame game controversy he stuck around Sana's streams for a whileI did like the game he made for Sana but he's just insufferable
>>90664480>and that's a good thingRUMAO
>>90670501I don't even watch ID and even I know Kobo is a money maker. She has been that diamond-in-the-rough trope who turns out has actual singing talent which gets massive marketing in the region. She got an appearance in Honda ID just like Korone became ambassador to Honda Racing.
>>90664945>>90665312woah really, explains why she doesn't want to go to japan often, why it's for work and all girls.though i do really wonder who wears the pants in that relationshipLMFAO
>>90672657mori debuff really ruined her early,man cover should really fix that.i do know cause man they don't tell her shat.
>>90646719Nico Nico Douga has their own encyclopedia of sorts, like a Know Your Meme but limited to memes spawning from the websitehttps://dic.nicovideo.jp/
>>90663331Calli can definitely continue to be successful outside of hololive…
>We've known for a whileOk, so Kiara was dooming over this in her members stream a month-ish ago.
>>90673001doubt, maybe in her very indie scene,hololive is paying for everythingi really hope they axe that bitchbut with better singers getting tainted by her earlyshe's saying all right
>>90663614And she could probably get support from Shondo…
>>90659117>>>90642087>>bskyGet up with the times, anon
>>90672975I agree the redditwoman does have the anit-midas touch and does ruin everything she comes into contact with. I couldn't watch a single chuuba who was in GTA next to her, especially Biboo, who has been sucked into a shitty mommy black hole with that cunt.
>Bae hated 2022 Hololive Tempiss....
>Bae>Hololive is not the same as it was two years ago.>Change means growth, so change isn't bad>Change also brings some bad stuff, because the changes might not make some happy.>I hope change means growth and that things will work outRe: NUMBERS MONEY NUMBERS MONEY NUMBERS
>24 hour sticky>only 1000 postshololive has really fallen off, huh
>>90673220i don't watch anyone too close to that bitch.was going onto GiGi till otherwise, skippa skippa,CC is all i have now,as Gura Mumei really looks to be leaving and Fauna really be going
>>90673550It's a FWMC world and we're playing by FWMC rules. Turbostacy Suisei won.
>>90562666>1 day oldwitnessed
>Mumei is ok Bae talked to her, yesterday. Kronii isn't ok, she's never ok
>>90673550>corpo world is not a constant>water is wet
>>90673617newcutie...
>>90671272Cover had VC investors who wanted their payday. Usually that means cashing out on IPO.
Fauna seems nice I like her :)
>>90673220i would like to suck mommy mori's black hole cunt
>>90671349Where did you find this picture of me?
>>90672975>mori debuff really ruined her earlyhow
>>90670781First time I've been happy to see that... Though I really doubt it has anything to do with this.
>>90675353For me it was the godawful daddy meme
>>90670781buybuybuy
>>90675494They're just goofin'
>>90671390>AZKiYou mean A-chan? Newfag-chama..
More paint added to the picture>Shiori>Idol activities are not my top priority>I will continue to make my content>I am here to entertain people, but first and foremost myself.>Not good business decisions, but they entertain me.>I hope you're entertained by my choices.>I wasn't a fan of some of the group projects, but I'm never directly forced to join them>No offense to those who did want to do them, I'm just not interested.So when does the hammer come down on Shiori for not wanting to step in line?
>The thread is not a sticky anymore.
>no longer a stickywelp, it was a good run
>>90676212>>90676183>>90676247Move along, saplings. Funeral's over.
>>90675915Shiori will be one of the worst losses in terms of retired designs. Even if she went indie and had Kayahara make a new design for her, it'll never recapture the magic of the original without entering lawsuit territory.
When's the next sticky?And who's gonna be in it?
>>90676347
It's Faunover...
>>90675790We need more posts like this. Dreams are fascinating.
>holo graduates>only 1k posts about itman, /vt/ fell off
>>90676347>duplicate image exists>>90676281 this is my dark horse bet
>The thread is not a sticky anymore
>>90662395ned was an actual retard
Damn these graduations suckAnyone have any good art of Kiara and Raora fat as fuck?
>>90677446Put Bae and Mori in the management dog tier.
>>90677446Godspeed Rabbit woman
>>90677446Kiara is controlled opposition
