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==REMINDER TO ALL MENHERA==
>M: Please don't get merch because you feel pressured or anything like that. DON'T do anything that you don't want to. We really mean it, okay?
>F: So you know, maybe you're like, "Oh, well, you know, maybe if I make a clip maybe more people will discover FUWAMOCO from there!" - it's true, but maybe you REALLY don't like video editing... Maybe don't that.
>M: However you want to, okay?
>F: You know, oshikatsu's supposed to be fun! You know, just tweeting, being loud -
>M: Being HERE with us!
>F: Yeah!
>M: That's all - that's MORE that we can ask for!
>F: Yeah, being like, "Ah! My best friend, you know, I REALLY like these vtubers called FUWAMOCO!". You know, those kinds of things, you know...
>M: So, please, don't feel like, "Oh, THIS Ruffian is doing all this and I'M not doing ANYTHING"...
>F: No. You know, oshikatsu is fun for everybody and ANYBODY!
>M: You should never feel like that, okay? So PLEASE don't compare yourselves to somebody else, okay?
>F: We just want you to have fun. You shouldn't feel pressure.
>M: We don't want you to disappear because of something, you know...
>F: Yeah, so, you know... if your smile's in trouble...
>*Both shake their heads*
>M: Just don't worry, we just want you to be here with us.
>F: Yeah, we wanna protect your smile and have fun together, Ruffians!
>M: You got it? It's not work! It should be FUN! We understand that you compare yourselves to others and stuff like that... SO THAT'S WHY WE SAY "DON'T"! We get it, you know? Because we felt it too before, okay? *reads chat message* You wish you could superchat more? IT'S OKAY! DON'T WORRY! We want you to have fun.
>F: And you know, it's the little things that count, too, you know. So, just sending a tweet like, "BAU BAU!" - that helps, you know?
>M: Yeah! Do what you can!
>F: "I'm on break right now, you know! I had a real delicious sandwich! FUWAMOCO, I had a delicious sandwich!" ... You know, it makes us happy to know that you're thinking about us cause sometimes, you know, we get a little bit lonely. Like, "are the Ruffians thinking about us...?"
>M: Please don't worry, okay? *reads chat message* You can't write well? It's OKAY! Don't worry about it!
>F: But it makes us really happy to know you're thinking about ways you can help us, Ruffians...
>M: We don't want you to get sad and be like, "I can't enjoy FUWAMOCO anymore because I compare myself to other Ruffians", okay?

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>>90571385
bau bau
dark times ahead

>>90571385
bau bau

these precious dogs must be protected.

god tomorrow really is gonna be battle plan 3 isn't it...

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To any saplingffians here, I hope you're hanging in there

>>90569976
Reading through the end of the last thread and this was the post that stuck out to me

Mainly because we KNOW FUWAMOCO have had issues with management before in the past. The week of silence, which then led to them getting a new manager. They even said it themselves, May was the hardest month for them in hololive so far

I do want to believe them when they say everything is good they love mane-chan like a mom and all that, but we have no idea really what's going on behind the scenes. Things have been rough for them the past couple months and this doesn't make me feel assured

I'm starting to believe this is the real reason they postponed the MC stream.

wow people are vocal about the graduation announcement and they are not happy. Theyre discontented with the disagreement with management and quick successive talents jumping ship. I guess they were holding out hope for a merch announcement. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to have Fauna forced to stay. Obviously that wont happen but it shows how unhappy they are.

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Mama sad...
https://x.com/rswxx/status/1863041242902462922
https://x.com/rswxx/status/1863041242902462922
https://x.com/rswxx/status/1863041242902462922

>>90573059
It is over if Mumei and Gura graduate too.

>>90569677
translate it weebs

>>90572967
>mental schizos can put aside their anger and vent it in the right way/places
let's just say I am worried very very much about this based on cliquecord and twitter right now. Laughing fox in particular but a few others too

>>90572779
Twitter is on fire with people blasting Cover for this "new direction" that is causing a big exodus of talent. We can only hope it causes them to look at whats happening and make changes. I've always viewed Hololive as a place that empowers talents and gives them a platform to show their skills. Some of them use it well and become megastars like Marine, Suisei, Pekora. If Cover start pulling the rug out from under Holos so they can't do that anymore and are stuck on an endless treadmill of merch production to increase quarterly profits it would make me extremely angry. FWMC deserve this chance, they deserve success, they don't deserve to be fucked around yet again by circumstances beyond their control.

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>>90571385
BAU BAU
uuuuuuuuuu....

I remember people always shitting on Fauna and the rest of EN for being lazy whores who should graduate if they can't handle the job. Now it's flipped to shitting on management for overworking the girls. I can't say which side is right, but it's funny to see the cultural shift

Noel is gunning for a sololive too? Cool.

It's amazing how everything can fall apart so quickly. Remember how bright everything looked just one year ago?

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Fuck management
Fuck all the little faggots who run around trying to find reasons to keep their job on the backend at Cover
Fuck all the little shitters who eat up precious time from talents over trivial shit
Fuck all the fags who battle against talent about things they want to do
TRIPLY fuck the faggots who decided that we can't have smaller 3d lives at smaller venues
LOVE FWMC

>>90570847
here's chatgpt, which caught a bit more:

>※ It’s a bit long, but…
>Hololive is something that, when I come home tired from work and turn on my PC, I see them streaming with such joy, and their laughter gives me so much energy.
>If those girls can’t laugh and stream, then I can’t laugh or feel energized either.
>I don’t speak English, but I do understand some words. That’s why it hurts so much — hearing words I didn’t want to hear was truly painful.
>
>To me, the members of Hololive aren’t just decorations on a Christmas tree; they’re more like pieces in a Jenga tower.
>When even one piece is gone, it affects the entire structure.
>That’s why it hurts so deeply whenever someone is no longer there.
>I’ve come to terms with things like members leaving due to breaking rules, but it’s unbearable to watch a piece fall on its own because it couldn’t withstand the weight.
>
>If you’ve seen my previous artwork, you’d know that I love drawing smiling girls, whether they’re cute or sexy.
>But right now, I can’t draw smiles.
>When I try to draw an expression, my pen just stops.
>
>I’ll keep watching streams, but I need a few days off.
>I need some time to heal my heart, or I don’t think I’ll be able to properly support the other members either.

>>90574036
Yes. That is why she is aiming to hit 2M subs this year.

>>90573925
Give them some time, ruffians always come up with the most insane mental gymnastics

>>90573677
it can't be that bad, and if it is someone should be telling them to dial it back because it'll only make FUWAMOCO look bad/sad.

>>90573925
Fauna never was lazy, she just knew what she wanted to do and did it without letting people fuck with her. Similar to Shiori in a way. That's never a bad thing, people shouldn't kill themselves to meet what the company or random fans demand of them. She wasn't ever openly hostile to fans, but I can respect just wanting to treat it the way she did. not everyone has to act like it's their perfect dream omg sunshine roses I wake up in heaven every day thing

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Get ready for the waterworks after Liar's Bar tomorrow laddies

Lapu-chan talking about why Chloe quit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYACwDiOyU

>>90574255
he was saying he would beat up cover staff if someone paid for him to go to Japan. and worse. man is unhinged and legitimately dangerous and I hope I never see him in real life even if it's all a larp

Advent Payday 2, thursday

>>90574419
please stop talking about her in the past tense

By the way, if you get into Liar's Bar, don't mute your mic, I think we can orchestrate some pretty funny moments for FUWAMOCO to maybe help cheer them up tomorrow. They already have chat muted so it will be fine.

>>90574603
And yes people told him he was a fucking insane lunatic. I have to trust he doesn't believe anything he says but it's still unnerving and schizo as all hell.

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>>90574687

>>90573925
Fauna didn't quit because she was overworked. She barely did anything. She didn't stream much, very few voice packs, barely any songs. What do you think she was "overworked" with? If anything the new direction was probably a new contract that had a minimum amount of work she needed to do each week and she left because the gravy train ended

>>90574538
If we were standing in front of Big Ben and La+ told me what time it was, I'd still look up for myself.

Pebbles are probably feeling a bit of relief over the Japan move now, if anyone was still uneasy. Her making such a huge decision and going all in in the middle of the "change in direction" debacle is very reassuring.

>>90573856
good koyo!

>>90573856
Speaking of Koyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APf_e4dD60s
Cute frame

I feel like I'm taking fucking crazy pills but has literally anyone given even the SLIGHTEST scrap of information on what this "new direction" entails? Graduating talents, non-graduating talents, anyone at all? The only "new direction" I know of is holo earth and unless it's a virtual rape dungeon for holo avatars with mandatory live voice acting, then I cannot for the life of me understand what the FUCK could be so bad about it.

>>90572779
NTA, but for the sake of this conversation, let's assume that they're secretly unhappy with management and some of the things they have to do.
I think we know and they know that if they were to leave Hololive now or soon, that the majority of these new fans of theirs are not going to be following them to wherever they go or end up in, especially JPs. They can probably count on the travelers who are still around and the new die hard ruffians, but those are pretty much it. Those aren't enough for them to make a living on especially if they plan to continue staying in Japan, and so they will have to stay in Hololive for as long as they can, even if they were the only ENs left in the near future. So for their sake, I hope that they truly are happy or at least ok with what they're doing in Hololive and that Hololive is still a good and enjoyable place to work, because there really is no alternative for them at the moment.

>>90574687
>>90574868
Oh shit, looking forward to it

>>90575214
>>90564102

>>90574859
>And yes people told him he was a fucking insane lunatic
that's good then. Dude still wories me though. I hope he only says it because he thinks it makes him sound edgy and cool.

>>90574910
Also the only member of Promise to not do a single 3D live

>>90575214
No. Cover is silent even though we're up to four members leaving and explicitly stating it as why. It's something they want to keep secret because they know it will anger the fans.

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>>90575239
Not to mention they literally can't live in Japan anymore unless they marry a JP or have a Japanese job. And let's be honest, the only jobs they are cut out for is idol stuff. Also the Japanese government doesn't give you visas for working at a konbini or something.

>>90575148
Might as well watch this for the night, thanks anon

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>tomorrows game be like
fwmc have a sense o humor

>>90575239
>Those aren't enough for them to make a living on
Keep in mind, they're technically set for life at this point. They could retire this instant and maintain a decent middle class life forever on savings alone.

>>90575436
>step 3
let me translate that
>force talents to record voice lines for games, for animes, for random television and internet ads on top of all their other work
>force them to play mandated week long every day commitment branch wide collabs to shill merch
>make them play holoEarth regularly to shill the latest DLC pack, probably force limited merch in anniversary and birthdays tied to holoEarth
>force TCG down everyone's throats, talents must open up the packs sent to them on stream without exception
>god knows what other horrible ideas they have

>>90575619
DYRBI? Something tells me they aren't very good with money. I wouldn't be surprised if they've sunk every single cent into projects and stuff with nothing in savings. We know they commission a huge amount of obscure songs to sing for karaokes.

if some gaggle of worthless midwits tried dictating to me what I was "allowed" to do, I'd be out the door immediately too.

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Fuwawa is a fucking CAT WTF
This is why Fauna graduated

>>90575436
I don't see anything bad here, unless "licensing out" and "diverse channels" are extremely loaded terms (loaded with awful shit) which I can't imagine it being earth-shatteringly catastrophic for the talents

>>90575214
Cover has made the blunder that every small entertainment company makes. They've forgotten that thier girls are the things that bring the fans and money in, and have started believing that the company is what brings people in. Combine that with sloppy management hires. Management should honestly grovel at the feet of these girls. Yes cover did give them the opportunity to enter the walled garden, but these girls tended to said garden and made it the beacen of beauty that it was.

>>90575619
Ehh, I don't think so. Unexpected expenses can come up unexpectedly, especially medical stuff or maintenance stuff.

>>90575878
I checked other members singing Dempagumi songs after their karaoke, and outside of the songs only they sang, which were most likely commissioned, the ones others sang have much better sounding instrumental on their stream, so there's a good chance they commissioned every single track.

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>>90575214
https://x.com/cover_corp/status/1842134125547041202
there is this

its not like cover was good in any time, vide holocaust, chinkout and dubais crap
before that they tried to shut down coco, they didnt even try to solve the monetization problem and before that they obligated the girls to leech other corpos
but nowadays is even worse

I just saw a post saying that they sent a staff to the hospital to see if mio was "really" sick

Its like if the talent doesnt do what they want something could happen to the talent? this is ridiculous

Didn't cover hire a bunch of ex TV producers as execs?

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>>90575987
>mogojyan
Koyo...

>>90576063
A-chan might have actually been the only one pushing against the retarded ojiisan TV execs Cover hired to manage the company

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpeIJ5UC9h0
>There,there
I need shiori-chan's love right about now..

>>90576173
>That disgusting art style
Every. Fucking. Time.

>>90576049
The main problem is that phase 1 is what the talents and fans actually want, building an audience and making vtuber content, and now we have entered the phases where cover slaughters the pig they fattened to try to cash in and extract maximum value from the audience and talent

>>90575481
Is there no path to get something like a permanent residency or something similar in Japan?

>>90575833
The main thing here is, and I'm not saying it doesn't suck because it does, I'm in agreement, but this is well within "idol work."
So at the end of the day, it would be, in fact, not wanting to do idol work.
FWMC would think this is well worth doing for the chance to be on stage more often, others may think "I do like being on stage, I like being an idol, I just don't like this."
But "this" IS part of being an idol. Nobody said it was all sunshine and rainbows.

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>>90575936
I need to hug and cuddle Moco-chan right now... after raping her

>>90575619
I have to agree with the others, I really get the impression that they burn through their money, in some cases on stuff we'll never see

Like I just think back to the CYOA VN streams. They probably spent a lot of money on those and they absolutely did not make that money back

Or think about how they want to do a sololive, what if they've been working on music behind the scenes and it's trapped in hell like Gura's full color?

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What was wrong Fuwamoco's past lives that would make them not want to quit Hololive?

>>90576383
To me an actual OG manager quitting is the biggest red flag of all, moreso than any of the talents leaving.

>>90576604
Yes, I already mentioned them.

>>90576711
You basically need someone with the endurance of pekora and koyori to survive in this new era as streamers.

>>90576173
>I just saw a post saying that they sent a staff to the hospital to see if mio was "really" sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXHnE5J7B5Y
At 8:50
I don't think it was Cover checking to see if it was true. Mio stopped other Holomembers from visiting her but allowed her manager to come so she could see it was serious. It's not like Cover specifically sent the manager to verify, it was just the manager checking up on her

>>90576604
I think you can if you live there for a LONG time but there's no way they'd qualify for that yet

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>>90576826
Stop thinking about rape

>>90575878
They've dabbled in starvation before and lots of other harrowing shit like their time working in a coffee shop, so I find it hard to believe they continue to tiptoe on the edge. And they could be spending pretting damn lavishly and still have a million in the bank. Even if they spend retarded sums on songs and stuf, I think it's almost mathematically impossible they've dropped below 500k unless they're buying yachts off stream.

>>90577054
don't think just

>>90576711
I guess that's my thing. I'm here for livestreams of cute girls in an ecosystem (Hololive) that I've enjoyed for a long while now. I am not here for produced trash that comes off as almost scripted or is scripted. If I want scripted entertainment, there are far better options and I can just go watch anime. The fun comes from the live aspect of the streams where they have to do stuff on the spot for entertainment.

please just zatsu instead of playing that shitty game, it's really not the time for it

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How do you think one sister would react if the other got them both terminated? Would she hold it against her forever?

>>90576999
what do you mean it wasnt cover?
are you aware that managers have some autonomy and what the real problem is?

The new direction suits some talents. But not the lazy ones. Every talent that has graduated this year except for Mel was lazy and as indies have remained lazy.

I see these graduations as a necessary pain. Now more resources can go to the girls willing to put in the work. Promise was the worst gen in the company and it's clear with Advent and Justice, cover has hired girls better suited to the grind.

>>90577184
yeah honestly I don't really feel in the mood for liar's bar anymore

>>90577184
>instead of attacking cover management and venting themselves they ask yes or no questions about it to frame it as the Ruffians opinions

>>90576888
Hololive IS a magical place. You have people like Miko, Watame and Subaru achieving their wildest dreams.

>>90576845
Just need to look at the japanese streams, how much did they spend on LiveTL so far on those? Only for part of the target audience to still shit on them behind their backs for doing the streams at all.
They care too much.

>>90576890
I mean, people WERE freaking out when it happened, but nothing came of it right away. It was a tree that is now just starting to bear fruit.

>>90577287
>clear with Advent and Justice, cover has hired girls better suited to the grind
or they're still in their honeymoon period and will be ground to dust after they have to go through their first expo/fes only to start it all over again. and then over again the next year and over and over and over
plus enreco and holoearth on top of it!

>>90576711
Doing all that extra homework WILL take away a LOT of streaming time. FWMC are already feeling needy and lonely with these new schedules that have multiple days without streams, and I don't know about you, but I would definitely hate losing even more of our time with them just so they can keep working themselves to death for a corpo that doesn't give a single fuck about them or their dreams and only cares about the money they can get from them.

>>90576924
Ok so they just have to find some other work or another streaming or entertainment company to take them in before they leave Cover...
I don't want to think about if push comes to shove, if they'll just marry they first good enough Jap guy they can find just to avoid having to go back to the NWP.
>>90577016
Well that's understandable.

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Quick use this occasion to get attention from your oshi

>>90577156
We really don't know how much they are able to save in the bank. We have no 100% idea of how much their monthly expenses are and other shit.
It's more realistic to assume they aren't set for life instead of that they are set for life.

>>90573531
>I'm really lonely
I've been lonely for 38 years if my life.

>>90576845
>the CYOA VN streams
Keep in mind, those things weren't properly developed games or anything. They were rigged together with manual scene switching in OBS and shit like that. So the biggest expenditure for those was probably just the art unless I'm missing something huge? And the art budget I cannot imagine being over $10k, which is a pittance for them.

>>90576845
Really? My sense is that they are very frugal.

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>>90577054
I can't help it... Moco-chan is made for rape. I'll rape her lovingly and then I'll give her headpats while we cuddle in bed.

>>90577175
I miss the old features they used to have on the main channel. They haven't done something with the soul of Game Store Maruyama for a long time

>>90577584
I can actually imagine Nerissa platonically hugging people IRL if you really needed one.

what are some good FWMC streams? i need a pick-me-up

>>90577584
If this was FWMC you fags would be crying of favoritism.

your oshi will graduate TODAY, not tomorrow, only FUWAMOCO will remain

>>90577527
I'm not too worry about not having streams, but I do worry about what form those streams will take. The on stage performances are my absolute favorite part of Hololive, but I don't think I can survive 100% of the non-concert content being management-driven stuff. Unless there's a massive reestructuring to make the concert stuff A LOT more frequent.
I'm not gonna watch ENreco the whole year for 2 3D LIVEs. Fuck that.

>>90577906
Frugal on spending on themselves at home.
I could see them using a lot of money that they get on projects to try and push themselves forward in the space they want to be in. Your Sololive ain't cheap, neither is a studio produced ASMR (that might not have done well sales-wise).

>>90577346
I feel like you guys drastically overestimate the cost of things like translators and art. A translator might cost 50k yen an hour, and that's absolutely, insane top-tier, and even across all those hours of stream, it would still be nothing for FWMC with the income we know of. Same with art for CYOA streams like I said elsewhere.

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>>90578014
the recent collab with big cat and cc was pretty kino

>>90577982
You mean the live stuff pre-Hologra? Those were really fun. I think Hologra took their place though, which are fun in their own way, but markedly worse in my book.

>>90577982
Unfortunately the managers want to be stars like the talents now and are trying to insert themselves into streams and content. They near ruined multiple POV of holoGTA and their retarded attempt at a comedy show on the main channel was rightfully shit on. I fucking hate it. maybe they should do their job instead of cracking jokes and hiring retarded zoomers to shitpost on Twitter

>>90577527
>multiple days
You all focus too much on the days. Thry often stream 2 times a day. They are still streaming way more than average in EN.

>>90577584
It's a comfort to me that Nerissa's live tag is just as off-topic and pathetic as FUWAMOCO's

>>90578152
I'm currently sending them $200 a month but would easily step it up to $1k or more if they offered it as an option. Nothing in return i just think they deserve to be happy

>>90578323
It wasn't pre Hologra, those started before, but they used to do a lot of variety shows on the main channel, they were styled after things like Game Center CX, I don't know why they stopped doing them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrdkXgPk0cc

>>90577337
>You have people like Miko, Watame and Subaru achieving their wildest dreams.
Like what?

>>90578014
Kuukiyomi was incredible, Frog Detective is a great one too. Both very short and one-off. If you want a bigger time investment, can't go wrong with DKC or Sakura Wars.

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>>90576063
>>90576191
>>90576552
The problem is that the suits (and a good portion of normalfag fans) think that Hololive is selling a product. This is easy to think if you only watch clips, big events like concerts, or if you read Cover's quarterly finance reports. On paper alone, you would see that merchandising and big events like concerts bring in the most revenue by far. So these idiot finance majors start trying to "optimize cashflow" by getting rid of the things that lose money (paying talents and streaming) and increasing the things that make money (merchandise and concerts). What they and many fans fail to realize is that Hololive is actually in the service industry. There's a reason it exploded with Holo Fantasy and why they are known as the "cabaret generation" by the Japanese. The girls are the service, the service is what is being sold. You take lonely men and make them fall in love with your charming ladies via CONSTANT REPEATED INTERACTION (cannot stress this enough) and then those men want to support those ladies by buying their merch and going to their concerts. You think I actually need acrylic stands or plushies? Fuck no, I buy them to support my Holos and because they might notice me if I post pictures on Twitter which in turn helps keep Hololive trending and does free advertising for them.

Hololive basically had the most successful cabaret club in existence and now some paper pushers have come in and looked at the financials and drawn the wrong conclusions from it. "Hey people are buying a lot of champagne. They must really like champagne. Let's offer more champagne. Why are we paying these hostesses so much? We don't even need this many girls, that's money we could be spending on champagne. Look at these reports, champagne sells the most by far, clearly these men are coming to buy champagne."

It's idiotic. The people in this picture are wearing products yes, but they are celebrating the services provided by the girls.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but they should keep the door open to joining Phase Connect just in case of emergency, since they have a JP branch now.

>>90578728
Hey I see me

>>90578152
You are doomposting, none of that stuff is out of the norm for holo talents. Especially ones like them that are some of the earners in the company. They have a long way to go to reach Marine setting money on fire level.

>>90578014
Frog Detective

I woke up ready to start my morning favoritism shitloop to let off stress and saw the news and now I don't even have it in me. Out of respect I'll take today and tomorrow off. Take care ruffians

>>90578014
The recent members stream with the animal stacking game was outstanding

>>90577156
>They've dabbled in starvation before and lots of other harrowing shit like their time working in a coffee shop, so I find it hard to believe they continue to tiptoe on the edge
They are stubborn. FUWAMOCO you know, they're fluffy, they're fuzzy, and they don't learn a goddamn thing from their mistakes, especially if the only cost is their own physical and mental health.

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>>90578728
I'm there...feels like a lifetime ago

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Just in case there are non weebs here
Some Japanese are absolute ASS regardless of the company and the complain about management might be because those people got in and are forcing their way on the girls with retarded Japanese workshitness strategy

Heres an example of how typically shit they can be
https://youtu.be/E2j_HzqXumA?t=399

Luckily all you need to deal with those is to have a spine and just firmly call them out, they'll just puff out of existence

>>90578728
>All fat, autistic, forever alone neckbeards
I pray for these women, but not before a good laugh prior

>>90578803
Fuck off phasebeggar!

>>90578647
Yeah or stuff like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVOEP86UqQ
I don't watch JP, but I was always happy to see these things up there when it involved a talent I liked, and the built-in subs were great.

>>90578267
But they're still operating at a loss on those japanese streams, they don't get many superchats at all. They should not have to pay to be "allowed" to do a simple stream in another language. Everyone else is perfectly content in leaving it to fans to do liveTL if they want to. They care way too much about this.
Does IRyS pay for LiveTL every time she decides to play Splatoon with Flare? I doubt it.

>>90578728
Holy shit I'm so fucking ugly

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>>90578728
I see myself

>>90578728
mom why is my picture on /baubau/

>>90578940
better times, ruffian

>>90578847
Not trying to say they're broke, but I could see them spending quite a bit on stuff we might not ever see.

>>90579002
I'm just trying to be realistic. They also like Pippa and her orisong.

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>>90578728
This guy could pass off as my twin except I still got hair on the top of my head

Didn't they hint at a project being killed recently?

>>90577287
This. At least Chloe cited health reasons as well. Mel doesn't count because she was fired for being retarded. Ame and Fauna are just lazy westerners who don't like having to work. Like at my shitty office job, people quit when they realize they can no longer get away with coasting. It's always the worst employees who complain the loudest and make the biggest fuss about leaving.
The only flaw in this argument is Aqua, I can't explain why she left

>>90578728
this reminded me that there were as many kobo fans as there were brats at the meetup

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Big ups Mori

>>90578728
This doesn't explain the graduations at all though. There are talents that stream without shilling, shill without streaming, and also ones that are practically invisible but Cover has never forced them and they are still happy. There's definitely something happening but it's not that simple.

>>90578728
It's a mistake that a lot of companies that get big start to make. They think they can do it with just the face alone but miss the entire point of what made them popular from the start. It's a coin-toss if the direction will work, but if it does it burns a lot of the old fans who like the way things were.

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>>90579110
>I was this close to erenschizo

>>90577584
Oh please Ruffians have no room to talk. People were in the #FUWAMOCO right after Ame's graduation fishing for likes and FUWAMOCO gave it to them

>>90579167
They make quite a bit. Stop stressing over things that you have no knowledge about. And couldn't change even if you did. If you are worried about their money, buy merch and voicepacks

>>90577287
>>90579267
The samefagging is not working
no...

>>90579229
Unfortunately, this is very normal in Hololive and no indication of change in direction. Management being inept is the norm, not the exception.

Do you ever think the talents get into shouting matches with management

my dick is drained completely and I don't think I've begun to give enough to Chloe and fauna.. why are two drop dead gorgeous babes leaving at once...

>>90579454
The fuck does that mean? It was her fans' fault?

>>90579267
>The only flaw in this argument is Aqua, I can't explain why she left
Supposedly she has streamed much on her new channel. Probably partly moved on from streaming and vtubing and must be focusing her time on something else IRL.

>>90577906
I think their frugal when it comes to themselves but very wasteful when it comes to work expenses

Like as a reminder they bought an ASMR mic before debut that they have only used a single time and never as FUWAMOCO. It's that kinda stuff I'm talking about

>>90579454
>support and buy your oshi's merch so the investors don't fire her
>I'm dead serious
Mori??

>>90577287
This is the optimistic take. I don't think Fauna was ever as motivated as Advent was, for a lot of her career she seemed like she was coasting with no direction. If the reason she left was because Cover are starting to stipulate some minimum requirements then it's not a bad thing, the problem is we have no idea what this "new direction" is, some Holos seem fine with it others are just quitting in protest

>>90579193
When did they ever say that? I mean, Baudol is basically Pippa the Ripper, so I could see it, but that sounds made up

>>90579728
Kiara 100% has multiple times.

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>>90579626
Anon?

>>90578728
Yeah, I agree. We buy the merch because we love the girls, and we love the girls because we get to spend time with them when they stream. Take that away from the equation and the cheap shitty t-shirt that they are trying to sell me for 40$ becomes completely worthless, if I just wanted to buy shitty merch I could easily buy higher quality stuff from other places, I'm ONLY buying Cover's merch because of the girls.

>>90579823
Maybe management were pressuring Fauna to do special streams and activities to get to 1 million but Fauna just wanted to continue streaming at her own pace.

>>90579728
Brother, Suisei has straight up gone above people's heads to get what she wants.

>>90579893
Minimum requirements is completely bullshit and you know it. If those were being added there's no way Fauna would be one of the first out the door.

>>90579924
Pippa was one of their oshis. Well, still is probably but they don't want to say it in hololive.

>>90579728
Kiara and Kronii definitely have

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>>90579728
Didn't Vesper get suspended for doing just that?

>>90579728
I remember Korone and Marine talked about getting into fights with management.

>>90579832
hasn't* streamed much

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They've spoken

>>90579267
I mean Aqua was also doing very little for years. She was and still is coasting on her past.

I hope this all gets cover to value girls like Fuwamoco who want to do the work. Fuwamoco should be the face of a new EN.

>>90580096
This. How the hell are people like ayame, gura and mumei meeting minimum requirements? It just doesn't make sense.

>>90579967
Kiara takes shit but also puts her foot down often. Hell, her old manager loved her and moved up in the company somewhere so she's probably got even more leeway to push around people managing her now.

>>90580067
It's because normalfag fans and management see "parasocial relationship" as an ugly word but that's what it is. And I'm completely fine with that. I'm giving my money to girls I love who realistically will never love me the way I love them but they make me FEEL that I am loved or even just liked. I accept that and I just don't want to be reminded of it too often. But these corpos only see numbers on a page that can be moved around. They don't get why it's successful because people don't like to talk about it.

>>90580122
no she wasn't, I've seen the pic

>>90579924
>When did they ever say that?
It's PL or RM stuff. I can't remember exactly.

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>>90580057
It is a samefag. It's me. Now stop impersonating me.

>phasetrannies appear
>shitpost ramps up
hmm

>>90580274
Collab with Shiori before it's too late.

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>>90580274
>Thank you for bring your bright energy

>>90580274
They want to double-team Fauna...

>>90579893
It's really complicated, I'm very curious for the next investors' meeting.
Ultimately, this direction, whatever it is, is taking people to Budokan. I can't just say I'm against it just because people I don't even watch are leaving. But I'm not gonna defend it based on that merit either because Suisei has always been one of a kind, it could mean nothing for the rest of the girls.
wejustdontknow.gif

>>90580576
KEK

>>90580096
If what Mori said up there is related to it then maybe it was a directive to shill more? Ones like Gura wouldn't be affected because she moves merch regardless. Again, optimistic because it wouldn't change anything for FWMC, shilling your merch is part of an idols job and they get that and have the same mentality as Suisei, Koyori, and the other JPs who naturally shill as part of the job.

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>>90580576
Mococo typed that

>>90579841
I think ASMR streams are a no go(only voicepacks). Look how few Fauna did even though that's her main talent.

>>90580274
They could've learned ASMR from Fauna like they said several times, but instead they had to learn it from some JP slut and now the chance to bond with another holo member has evaporated. Too bad. If FUWAMOCO would have become friends with Fauna instead, maybe Fauna wouldn't be graduating right now.

>>90580637
First army is feasting. But the ones who are not favored have to accept more work for a marginal chance at realizing their dreams or doing what they want.

>>90580576
ESLmoco...

>>90580709
Then Shiori would be quickly out the door, probably in front of many others. She doesn't shill shit, doesn't give a fuck about numbers, only lightly cares about idolshit, etc.
How many times does it have to be said that there is generally something really fucking weird going on on the back end.

>>90580637
It just feels like their grinding every single talent to dust which allows them to pay for the top tier talents to have sololives and stuff like Budokan. But the people that aren't in that holy extra special Japanese circle are gonna be completely ignored if the current announced events are any indication. Calli's sololive is going to have to blow the roof off to impress the JP shareholders who I'm sure would rather keep it in Japan and line their own pockets as they're also boardmembers or invested with friends in those venues.

>>90580882
That makes sense, but if Roboco isn't quitting over it, then there's more leeway than one would assume, right?

>>90580709
Yeah look at the holos they are closest to. Koyori, Fubuki, Mori--our girls are in it to win it. I like when they get sponsorships personally. I think mococo is a good spokesdog. I'd buy anything she told me to.

>>90580709
It doesn't hold up with the other graduations though. People are touting it as "The One True Theory" driving talents away but Chloe was also moving merch without doing anything. There's also talents that don't even shill and just stream who said they would never leave Hololive.

When will we get our schedule?

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I'm glad all the Holos I really really care about are in Japan. Really hope CCGG make that jump in the future too

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>>90577816
I basing it off of the credits having several different people for the backgrounds an illustrations
I would imagine it was definitely over $10k. Which sure isn't much for them now but it's still a hefty chunk to just lose and not make your money back

>>90580709
Shilling stuff as an idol is different from shilling stuff as a hostess girl.
In some ways, I actually prefer the hostess girl style because it feels more personal.

>>90578728
Finally a proper take, some other schizo was saying I'm completely wrong for thinking management is at fault. Someone with this type of finance perspective is completely missing the plot and understanding of why money is flowing and is in a power of influence in management.

Someone in management with this perspective is taking the company in the wrong direction to push a lot of beloved talents to affiliation and graduation status.

>>90580978
It makes me really worried about Shiori too. She's such a refreshing contrast to so many other hololive members but if they start forcing her into all this shit she has been clear from the start is not her thing and they push her to graduation I am going to be so fucking mad at cover that I shouldn't even think about it. Just let the talents do what they are best at as clearly it has worked for years with hololive. Stop trying to make everyone into everything, fuck

maybe, just maybe, different talents are leaving for different disagreements? jesus christ

>>90579832
she is having hardware problems

KOYORI JUST BAU BAUD ON STREAM
CALL THE COPS

>>90580576
Why are they so retarded...?

>>90580864
That was definitely due to Fauna losing interest i think. FUWAMOCO have said they want to do ASMR streams so I don't think they're no go

>>90581069
Maybe Roboco got grandmother'd in with a better deal compared to the contracts now with new talents.

>>90581374
It's not retarded they just do not speak any english outside of the few times they stream for Ruffians or make tweets

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>>90581374
Mococo had tears in her eyes please understand

>>90581311
It's this stupid idea that everyone has to be a crazy, sellable product. Having variety is important, and it always makes me laugh when I tell people the three girls I watch the most, because they have off-the-wall differences. I can enjoy each one for their uniqueness on their own.

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>>90580637
Look I love Suisei, but people have got to stop bringing her up as an example because she is not your typical Holo. Her experiences are unique to her and her circumstances and cannot be replicated. Just off the top of my head.

>She doesn't stream a lot although she did used to stream more
>She doesn't have to read SCs, in fact she turned them off
>She didn't start off in Hololive but as an Indie, not only that she joined Hololive and kept her name and persona after joining
>She will move huge numbers of merchandise no matter what, even from people who aren't hardcore fans of hers
>Her music is actually objectively listenable and breaks through the normalfag barriers

She is not a typical Holo. It's like if you tried to use Michael Jordan as an example of a typical NBA player. The same rules do not always apply.

>>90578728
hey it's me and I'm smiling like a goofball

>>90581347
Oh, well she just needs to buy a new PC.

>>90581417
I never want to see this friend again

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>>90581366
BAU BAU

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FWMC...

>>90580878
This JP slut was the one person who connected with them the most over things they actually care about.
Great trade if the cost for that was not being friends with the person who would look down on them for considering their idols to be their friends.

>>90581235
>I would imagine it was definitely over $10k
no

>>90581715
they have instantly liked every post I have made on the # and softtag on every alt. they really want more comfort i feel so bad biboo please hug them

>>90581387
They can want to do ASMR streams but not be allowed. YouTube is not very friendly to ASMR chuubas.

how the fuck is Gura still in, but Fauna is out? make it make sense I don't understand

>>90581428
They have all been renewed by now, surely.

>>90581582
Sure, but when the counter argument is that the NBA sucks because someone else quit, Michael Jordan existing is a good reminder of what NBA is capable of, and that this someone else I don't even know quitting isn't really enough reason to make me side against NBA.
I guess, I don't know basketball, I'm not black.

>>90580085
oh my fucking god, that sounds too real

>>90578728
Actually good post, what the hell?
Am I still on /baubau/.

>>90581715
Mama puppy didn't raise quitters!

>>90581715
They'll be protecting our smiles at least until they graduate. Let's not delude ourselves that they'll never graduate.

>>90582061
The hope is you graduate from them before they graduate from hololive. If that happens, they done their job.

>>90582061
I think they're more likely to get terminated on a fuck up

>>90578875
I'll cover for you today

>>90581636
https://files.catbox.moe/gu2fe6.jpg

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Here you go. This is why you've seen such an insane increase in products/goods and collabs in the last year and why you hear so many gloom and doom about Cover being public. The need for growth while being publicly owned is a constant pressure, and Cover doesn't give a fuck about anything past selling an IP at this point.

>>90578728
>Hololive basically had the most successful cabaret club in existence
You're not supposed to say this out loud, but you're completely right. Last year when we got notice that Cover wanted to veer towards intensifying franchising and profit over their characters, people were already doomposting about how this could break the connection to the girls and all that. Now we are here at the timeline where management is at least very anal about some things and has a big disconnect towards what some of the talent want. And, if the rrat of this being due to new suits is real, then it might take a bunch of high-profile graduations until things maybe get better.

>>90580085
If that's the case then I have no problem with it. Hololive members should be ambitious and have some purpose for being there. Fucking around streaming Hitman for years is ok but you need some kind of direction or thing you're aiming for. Only Bae has that in Promise which is why I never got into them.

>>90581617
my retarded cat is having problems with that too

>>90582200
The irony is, they'll actually reduce their growth by going this direction. Those figures tell a story, and the story is, "Streaming/Content caused people to buy merch and attend concerts." If they want to optimize growth, they should not hamper streaming/content in any significant way.

>>90582169
>>90582177
Well whatever happens, as long as we all understand this isn't a forever thing.

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I hate graduations.

>>90581884
Gura is a company mascot. Her manager only has to not bother her and occasionally skinwalk her to shill stuff. Easiest job in the company

>>90581884
Gura is probably negotiating for a much bigger cut of the affiliate slice and rightfully so. She damn near made the branch with how much money she's brought in

>>90582200
You can't sell merchandise to fans who have left because their oshi got squeezed out by corporate greed

>>90581884
1st army status.

>>90582061
Their reaction to the Dempagumi graduation says all that needs to be said. They're not selling the idea that they'll never graduate, they're very sober about this. They just want it to be a complete journey with a beautiful ending, and not unceremonious and full of regrets. They want it to be closer to Aqua's, basically. A beautiful send-off that was a celebration of an accomplished idol journey.

With how small HoloEN is they can't afford any more graduations.

>>90582282
>And, if the rrat of this being due to new suits is real, then it might take a bunch of high-profile graduations until things maybe get better.
Awww fuck this is why Ame negotiated for affiliation status because she has hope that if Cover "improves" themselves from their bullshittery and want to remand bridges, then she'll come back. Ame put so much into hololive so this makes way too much sense to me that the new suits are pushing people out but willing to come back...

this feels grim

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>>90581826
There's only been like one post on the # about Fauna's graduation

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>>90582570
>as long as we all understand this isn't a forever thing.
FUWAMOCO have said as much themselves. They've said they PLAN to be here for a "long long time" but they've also acknowledged that nothing is guaranteed.

I don't believe that's the only reason. I also watch Choco who streams ~2 times a week, has shilled a single thing this entire year, and said she wouldn't leave.

>>90582705
They will release a new gen if shark and owl are gone. 4 in, 4 out.

>>90582705
It really sucks for anyone who has a few people they like in EN. We're gonna quickly go back to the era of 2022 when there was jack-shit happening on any given night.

>>90582200
Yep. Streaming has been steadily decreasing in share of revenue so the people just look at this and assume it's not needed. Like no shit, when you were smaller, SCs and memberships made up more of your money but as you got bigger, you could get that big corporate money from collaborations and sponsorships. But the people who will want to see you shill that stuff will only put up with it cause they love you and your streams.
>>90582554
Sadly the people in charge haven't read that story. All they see is "streaming is making less and less money"

>>90582704
Yea, I agree with you there.

>>90582200
oh >>90582554 is doing an accurate read of the numbers... so this is what data analysts mean by telling a story

>>90582746
delete this

>>90582513
Yeah Promise is objectively the worst gen in hololive history. The fact they have more graduations than myth says it all

Not going to lie, I was hoping to watch some minecraft to lift my spirits, didn't realize it got cancelled, this sucks

>>90581674
>skirt_lift
nooooooooo my fukken weakness. Im in public and I cant fap.

>>90582841
Ame and Fauna were two of my most watched. And sure they had their breaks but among the small group of members I really love and connected to streaming wise they were the top. And now they're both fucking gone in a few months time. I don't even know how to feel.

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How do you guys feel about telling them you'll follow them wherever already?
Not even trying to shit on this guy I'm genuinely wondering how you guys feel about this sort of thing

>>90582839
Is Justice the 4 in though? Do they want more than 8-10 members in EN?

>>90582841
It's funny because now Fauna's timeslot is now only GG when Fauna and Ina streamed during that time. I love GG, but you'd like to have more than one person to fill dead hours during that time when the other isn't streaming.

>>90582554
The management is gambling they can replace streams with other exposure. The Dodgers collab was a test. Can they get people to buy merch of cute shark girl on the Jumbotron, people who have never seen a Gura stream? If the answer is yes then they can go the Hello Kitty route and sell merch of the characters to a wider audience who don't care about streams. People keep pointing out that most Hololive "fans" barely watch any streams and just watch clips

>>90582746
Is this how Nippon-Canucks dance? Really?

>>90583334
I'll stop following them if they ever move on from FWMC

>>90583334
You should be trying to shit on that creep. But I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong even if it is a little weird to say at a time like this when they aren't going anywhere. It's better to focus on saying you love them for them. The follow stuff implies the end is near which is scary to think about

fuck... they will help finish the world tree we are in for 8 hours or more of Minecraft slop fucking hell

>>90583334
I think it's toxic when they've literally tweeted today they aren't going anywhere

>>90583334
I've been giving them money every month "wherever" for over a year, I think they know.

>>90583334
>blue and red hearts
Massive, massive faggot of astronomical proportions. That is the most tasteless tweet I have seen this week and that's saying a fuckload of a lot in the context of the ruffians

>>90583334
That guy is just a creepy retard.

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>>90583334
Genuine serious parasocialized mental illness

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It's sadly hilarious to me that upd8 already made the mistake of thinking that fans don't care about the personal parasocial connection with the streamer as seen with Kizuna Ai and now Cover is making the same mistake, albeit in a slightly different way.

>>90583334
>dark blue and red heart
>not light blue and pink
nah, this aint it chief

>>90583411
they're 100% white and you can tell from their dancing.

>>90583534
I think it's just his phoneposting, considering the sparkles in the red heart, mine is like this too, I can never use the right hearts if I'm tweeting on my phone, so I only add them on PC replies. But he's autistic.

>>90583334
They won't be leaving, so I won't have to follow them anywhere. I'm already donating for garbage pickup anyway, no matter how many rounds the truck plans on doing

>>90583334
Making a reference to their other selves in a tagged tweet is tasteless, calling them "sweetness" and "honey" all the time is weirder

>>90583500
>FWMC started playing MC again to prepare for something.
>They did it so they can better contribute to the world tree.
Ouch...

>>90583334
didn't they say they aren't going anywhere? Man, this is not it, bro. I get that fans are on suicide-watch but this ain't it

>>90583681
you never seen a photo of them, dumbass

>>90583334
Pretty dumb because they would be one of the last ones out. Aqua, Chloe, Ame, all had hiatuses before their announcement. Fauna was mentally gone early this year.

>>90583334
I don't like it. FWMC have already said "we'll be here to protect your smile", so people should trust them and leave it at that. Not doom and gloom post and make them feel worse about what's happening.

>>90583334
I'm sorry but I don't care about their other self. I care about FWMC. And if they graduated I can't see myself going to the other side since they aren't the super cute bau baus I love.

>>90583781
isn't the world tree essentially done? they shouldn't step anywhere close to it outside of a final goodby event in the server because they would unironically end up setting it on fire or destroying it instead of helping they're that retarded

>>90583846
I don't trust you anymore, Friend

>>90581923
The NBA is constantly trying to make people the face of the league in order to market it better. If all your top stars leave, people lose interest. Games with Curry or Lebron sell out and for higher prices, even if they aren't playoff games. This is like if all your top stars start leaving. And you can't force it either, NBA tried to make Anthony Edwards, Zion, etc faces of the NBA but they aren't there yet and may never be.

>>90583334
It happened before, but going out of your way to say that is shithead behavior for sure.

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>>90583681
They're mixed at best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Ifu7WfQgA&t=5m30s

Yeah nuke me mods I don't care for v-tubers

>>90583394
I would like less solo gaming streams, and more stuff like hologta. Holo should also hire its own clippers who translate things to break down events into consistent digestable bites.

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cum for Fauna

Thanks for the mega to whatever anon linked it last thread

They're kinda ugly ngl

>>90583334
Save saying that kind of thing until they're actually leaving, until then cherish the fucking current moment rather than posting about something that should, hopefully, be a long time from now. It's just plain disrespectful to them saying they want to be here for a long time.

It's extremely unlikely that talents are being forced to do anything. Just look at all the members that say "no" to everything extra and are chilling.

90584181
Ruffians told me they don't fake their voices

>>90583781
in a recent advent collab there was mention of advent wanting to do a minecraft collab with fauna. maybe everyone knew longer than it seemed.

Why are people posting doxx now?

>>90584247
>Fauna mega
Link?

>>90584527
>now

>>90584535
https://mega.nz/folder/5iszFYiY#HkgfKVTeDO0vJQqQVRv91g

>>90584383
What's the most likely place negotiations would break down? It's very confusing...

>>90583982
NBA is all about Jokić, not those niggas.

>>90584687
maybe they're gonna get shit revenue from streaming now

>>90583982
But Curry and Lebron are still there and holding sololives in the next few weeks/months, or just had one. They're achieving the highest highs in their whole careers, even.
The people I care about most are thriving or inspired to keep doing their best under NBA. Something is clearly going on but it doesn't seem to be getting in the way of any of the ones I'm invested in, so I'm not gonna shit on the NBA just because. Even though, yes, Michael Jordan is not really comparable. But Michael Jordan himself would definitely not be playing at the Budokan without the NBA's support. It's a key part of his trajectory.
He's also very rapeable.

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>>90583632
She's back from the looks of it.

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>>90584650
Thank you

>>90584702
The Nuggets games regularly lose primetime slots to whatever Lakers game is airing that night.

>>90584383
It's funny to me how the argument flipped in the past weeks. Until then, it was all about how management kept saying no to the talent. But I believe both could coexist kek

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>>90584455
They are very clearly doing an girly air-head voice when playing FuwaMoco lmao

>>90584650
>1837 items
I am going to be very very busy tonight

>see retarded ruffians suggesting they are about to leave as well
>retweet it
the mental retardation of some people cannot be comprehended

Wasn’t one of their goals to do an ASMR thingy with Fauna? Gonna be sad to have one of their goals unfulfilled because of this unfortunate occurrence…

>>90584987
its never been as over as it is now

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>>90584527
>now

>>90584987
I mean they already are never getting the 7 hours of sleep a night or 1M in a year so that was already the reality. They could have done ASMR with her any time the past year but they were too autistic about wanting to do it with patra first

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>>90584987
the checklist will forever be tainted... unless they fly over for an off collab.

>>90584969
I thought you meant FWMC retweeted it for a sec. Their twitter habits are retarded but that would have been a new level

>>90584181
Retard. Also they're really sexy.

>>90583334
Creep creeping

>>90584987
They have until January

uh I thought they hated homocollabers why are they giving ERB love

>>90584987
Oh well, they thought they had more time. They still have time to have sex with me though. I remember seeing that as a goal for them too.

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>>90584650
I'll miss her

>>90585206
1 million subs in 1 year was in the biggest text right in the middle. They'll be fine

>>90584987
They already gave up on the video editing goal.

>>90584455
Only retards believe that they don't pitch up their voice and put on a bit of an accent. Their real voice isn't the 'yab' one from ENReco, but it's for sure not what they're doing and have been doing for a year an a half.

>>90585308
Literally look up what a hafu or hapa looks like. They're mixed.

The thicker one (Fuwa?) is hot, I'll agree with you on that at least.

>>90584987
"make sure you never hurt" is out the window as well

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Bau bau amirite

>>90584383
2024 has shown that successful corpos can pretty much recover their fanbases when they redebut as indies, so it seems reasonable for someone who already feels they're not getting 100% value from their contract would try and argue for a better position (less restrictions, better split, more support for personal projects). I don't blame talents for looking out for number one.

>>90585765
You can always tell them apart by long hair and short hair

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>>90585405
fuck man it isn't fair.

>>90585765
Fuwa is my favorite as well fellow ruffian

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Mommy don't go

>>90585765
They're sami, retard.

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Two of the best sets of tits in hololive taken on the same day. I'm crying

>>90585405
I find it so hot when the 3d model gets a tit size buff over the live2d

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>>90585765
>The thicker one (Fuwa?) is hot
I agree wholeheartedly

>>90585771
"Don't make a Ruffian a promise. If you know you can't keep it."
Halo bros...

>>90586177
jealous dei women in hololive ruining everything

>>90580978
I think there are some talents that would never even be asked to shill because you have no idea what they would say. Shiori is in that tier. She's the Haachama of EN

>>90586177
Laplus and Gura are the hottest ones here

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>>90586263