none of the members say anything bad about their management, and the talent actually gets the help they want from the company!!
>>90634903Please stick to one bait thread>>90633470
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>>90634903Always have beenThis is Vshojo's eraLet's pray hey don't squander it
>>90634990fpbp
>>90634903So we just pretend the cheater scandal and kson being forced to shut up didn't happen?
>>90634903mikeneko says hi
>>90634903nah we're the bad guys, fuck off leave us alone.
>>90634903>he forgot the talent freedom incident
They barely do anything worth talking about so nothing to complain since they dont do much.Is like comparing professional sports team to school sports clubs.You can enjoy it but there isnt much to talk or going on there.
Who else baiting they shit rn
We live in a society.
>>90635122Ironic. Mike did wait a long time so I don't blame her, but her cited reason was isolation due to being the only pure not hafu tainted by western blood Japanese language only speaker in VShojo, but if she'd just hung on a tad longer she'd have had 4 cute new kouhai to play with. Oh well.
>>90634903Yes
>>90634990B-but his bait, anon! Think of his bait!
>>90635213this idolfags GTFO STAY AWAY FROM OUR GIRLS
hello bait thread, please watch nagi shes dumb thanks
From my perspective, everyone who was a major problem and was actively damaging vtuber culture (Nyanners, Veibae, Nazuna) left the brand, so sure.
>>90636191They still have two people who trump those 3 by a country mile in Kson and totally not Sydney Hime.
>>90634903Vshojo has always been the best vtuber company. There's nothing but bonuses and you can keep everything when you leave.They have all of the upsides of hololive and none of the negatives.
>>90636359>Hime anti SHE'S MADE IT BROS! MY QUEEN HAS FINALLY MADE IT!
In VShojo it's the management that needs saving.
>>90636359What’s wrong with Heem? My bitch is streaming now
>>90636923That anon is probably still salty about her daring to make a video about proposing that design to the sacred blue dorito.
>>90636923That's the oldest trick VShojo antis use. "I would like them if not for member X". And when member X leaves they appoint a new one that's crossing the line for them. First it was Nyan, then Vei, now it's Froot, or Kson or Hime I guess.
>>90635120>Still hanging onto disproven rratsDo your reps kek.
>>90636923>Fleshtubers larping as Vtubersgee I wonder how they hurt vtubing culture.
>>90638669Unironically until this month, she kept up the keyfable
>>90636814bro ran out of members to anti next thing you know hes gonna start reaching for panini and highgai
>>90635120>kson being forced to shut up>Part of VShojo's job as an agency is to protect their talents through legal action if necessary>Kson threatens another talent>Shuts the fuck up possibly due to the agency stepping in>This is somehow a bad thingIf Froot started catering to Kson's Chinese antis I'd hope they'd shut her the fuck up too. Kson had no fucking idea what was going on and opened her big mouth with a holier than thou speech. I'm assuming she's made amends since they collab'd not long after though.
>>90634903lol
>created huge unnecessary drama over Nuxtaku exposing some doxxing retards pretending to be vshojo>created huge unnecessary drama over stupid wizard game /pol/-brained bullshit>muh google docLiterally niji tier self control.Every single one of those events could have never existed or in case of the first one could have looked good on vshojo but they just couldn't help themselves.
>>90640009Kill yourself nux
>>90640073rent free.
Uh oh
>>90640155>cant keep getting away with this
>>90640155TALENT FREEDOM BABYSHE WANTS THE TALENT FREEDOM to never ever stream again
>>90640129Jaiden give you a restraining order yet?
>>90640155holobros...
>>90640339lmao I literally don't know what you're even talking about. You really need to stop having these ecelebs live rent free in your head.
>>90640339Can you actually do that for someone who is obsessed but no way to act on it?
>>90639723Rare sane take on this.
pretty much, the only vshojo yab this year is the froot doc which was only a drama for retarded polfags and culture warrior fags (like asmongold)
>>90640411your the one putting 2 year old schizo rrats out. how are you any better
>>90640411The Nux Jaiden thing is a normie meme at this point.
>>90640459Yeah, maybe a C&D would be more appropriate.
>>90640778I'm on a vtuber board on 4chan, why the fuck would I know what normie reddit memes are? I don't watch Nux either since he doesn't even cover anything relevant anymore.>>90640706It's not a schizo rrat you troglodyte. I was literally there when it happened in real time. The Nux video about the impersonators did not have any negative effect on my view of vshojo. It's only after vshojo started shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly, and revealed that they knew about the impersonators for literally months and Nux exposing these guys to let people (specifically indie vtubers who applied to vshojo) know they have to be careful was somehow a great injustice toward vshojo which took absolutely no damage that my view turned negative.If they said LITERALLY nothing I'd still have positive view of them. Provided the information they released didn't get released through some other channels.
>>90638669You're right, we should only watch vtubers that were born as actual anime girls so they don't have to use an avatar to stream at all. This pretty much limits you to... Neuro? Go forth and be happy then, anon!
>>90639723Okay this is also NOT what happened, but closer to the truth than who you replied to.
Nyagiburger.
>>90641349>they knew about the impersonators for literally monthsThe impersonation lasted about a week. They brought in cyber security in april because the current talents at the time were being targeted. There was even on stream doxbots. Auditions didn't start until late august and the phishing attempts were made between oct14th-20th.
>holo numbermonkeys roping themselves out of nowhereIf something of this magnitude happened to vshojo holo tribalfags would bring that shit up everywhere but vshojochads don't even shit talk hololive muchI wonder why they have this retarded mindset
>>90641349>I was literally there when it happened in real time. The Nux video about the impersonators did not have any negative effect on my view of vshojo.Well good for you, anon. You were in the vast minority. This place was ablaze with shit on VShojo for allowing it to happen in the first place. Nux's video was not a positive for anybody but Nux and then he got his ass clapped for making himself look like a hero when he was actually the biggest idiot in the room. His content brain overrode his common sense.
>>90643226It's called a "superiority complex". Plus they know they talked so much shit about 2434 that they now look like the biggest hypocrites and know they deserve whatever shit they get. Thing is, like you said, VShojofags don't fucking care about a Holo implosion that much other than for /in/ posting, which we do for everybody and everything anyway.
>Pippa said she'll leave if company goes PublicBases grifter
>>90638669uh, does this guy know about Myth?
>>90643335This place is the minority, not me. Also, I didn't say the Nux video was positive for vshojo, I said it had no effect on my perception of them. My perception was only affected by them shooting themselves in the foot in order to own nuxtaku.Yes obviously they should have never allowed him to make that video or they should have at least asserted better control over it to paint themselves in a really positive light which by all indication they could have done. That's not the point, the point is that they chose to self destruct on him. And for what? He's still around. What was the benefit to vshojo?
>>90641482>NeuroNo chance. I hear she lives with a dude.
>>90634903>managementyes>talentsFUCK NO
Don't carePeak
>>90643638>This place is the minority, not me.You are beyond schizophrenic.
>>90635122How is that their fault? All they did was give her a job, and she left anyway.
>>90635122>joined WACTORno one should take any opinion she has about the industry serious
>>90643862Yeah, I'm sure a 4chan board that collects all the schizos in the vtuber fanbase and has them shitpost nonstop about rrats and conspiracy theories is the reflection of the majority opinion.If this place was a reflection, every single major vtuber agency would be dead and buried because of how much anti-posting there is.
>>90644262And yet shit form here constantly leaks out to other places. Unless you seriously believe 4chan is the cleanest and nicest place on the planet being infested by Reddit and Twitter trolls that turns us toxic? Your opinion was not the majority, not here, not out there either. You're just flat out wrong. Now, I appreciate you speaking for yourself, but only speak for yourself please. You clearly have your own perception of what happened and that's fine, but your perception is not reality.
>>90639404highgai’s beard is disgusting
>>90644448You don't get to say that. If you are allowed to speak for everyone else, so can I. I'm not the one who elevated this into some kind of amorphous majority vs minority discussion based on nebulous evidence.
>>90644564How dare you. That is a well manicured masterpiece!
>>90644627I'm not speaking for everyone else, I am telling you what happened. Your version of history is not correct. You said that your perception of VShojo didn't change. I am not refuting that. That's yours and yours alone. But the public writ large? They did not agree with you.
>>90644654>manicured
this thread uses too much words my head hurt me go to bed and rub dick to peke instead
>>90634903>memoryholing the froot shitshow already
reminder that geega put out a 22 minute video where she interviews michi and they both glaze vshojo's contracts. your corpo should take notes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK2UyDHEdnY
>>90634903Yes. Time has proven Nyanners and the other two thots were the menheras.
>>90644780You were, if you don't even read your own posts why the fuck am I even talking to you? You called me a minority, vast minority actually. I didn't see any perception change toward vshojo based on that video and my own perception didn't change. You're claiming that your perception did change and that you did see it. That's fine, I could accept that position but you're not settling on that - you're saying everyone else shared your perception based on that and I'm the one rare unicorn who didn't care.Even in this post you're saying that you don't speak for everyone else and then contradict that statement 5 short sentences later. I refuse to believe your memory is this short term.
>>90634903You must have missed the part where three of their members quit due to their management.
>>90634903no, they still have Froot
>>90645311and thank god for that, she's an amazing retard filter
>>90635255>VShojo advertises themselves with a slogan emphasizing their hands-off approach to management>this is an "incident"
>>90645311and thank god for thatI need more covers of herhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stB6Ux-6g74
>>90645295They quit due to getting a better offer elsewhere at the end of their contracts. None of them said anything against management and silver just whined about mouse being more successful.
>>90645668>They quit due to getting a better offer elsewhere at the end of their contractsSo Vshojo's contracts suck
>>90640009>Nux quickly faded into obscurity afterwardsThank you VShojo
>>90645761Nope. The vshojo contract is easily the best contract among all corpos. The Mythic exclusive contract is a somewhat decent alternative with worse management support but (likely) smaller cuts and you don't have to worry about a shared branding.
>>90645761they thought they'd make more due to a better merch/sponsor cut but ended up losing a chunk of their audiencealso see>>90645045
>>90635213This. Leave us alone in our corner and let us enjoy our whores.
>>90634903
>>90645761Mythic has smaller cuts, but less attention which is what they wanted. Also, surprise surprise, the person who mainly talked about the contracts being the "industry standards" used her bf's brother as lawyer.
>>90646029to be fair I think they also changed the contracts for the better after those three left, because mouse took quite a while to negotiate hers last year and if it was great at the time it wouldn't have taken that long
>>90646009>>90646029So it's a perfect company and they just left for no reason all at once, sure. What lazy shilling.
>>90646009I am sure you have all this info from your "sources" your sources being that you made it the fuck up like any good little fuckboy.
I always said that Vshojo had turned things around, and the board laughed at me. Look whose laughing now.
>>90646277which other corpos take no cut from subs/superchats/ads/bits, and less than half of the merch? because that's the information we have from geega
>>90646265I literally gave you the pros and cons for both contracts, retard.>>90646277What do you want the source for?
>>90635122mikeneko was the one ghosting vshojo staff. mikeneko was the one ghosting endorsement gigs that were paid already. mikeneko was the one who's mentally ill enough to cry about Henya being bilingual.
>>90645761They did, though we don't know exactly how. Vei was the only one who hinted at it and seemed to prefer the Mythic contract, though she didn't outright say anything about VShojo's contracts were bad or predatory, but she hinted at "industry standards" for streamers, which implies they didn't have a good grasp of at that time. By all accounts since, they learned and adjusted the contracts to be closer to industry standards. That's based mostly on what Mouse, GEEGA, and KSON have said. But we'll never know really unless someone leaks something.In this case, VShojo adapted and got better. That's a good thing. Losing Vei sucks for some of us, but they learned and improved and all is well in the world.
>>90645295None of them ever explained their reasonings for leaving, except for Nyan, who left for mostly personal reasons and repeatedly described the decision as a "50/50"
>>90647035Nope, even then they didn't suck compared to other vtuber org contracts.
>>90647136Nyan never lost the thought that she being in VShojo was a drag on the other girls; that she was causing them problems by being there. In short, a brainworm addled dumb pink cat. As this board has proven, it did not matter if she was there or not, haters will hate VShojo anyway. Love Nyan, but it was a dumb thought process even if the decision was fine for her as an individual streamer.>>90647219Compared to VTUBER ORG contracts sure, but Vei was citing general streamer contracts and obviously her point of reference was her boyfriend and OTK and how they operate. Her boyfriend's brother was her lawyer instructing her on what "industry standards" are, and let's not pretend that guy was unbiased. Anyway, VShojo contracts blow the other vtuber corpos out of the water then and now, but now they're even better with being more on par with other agencies. Perhaps almost to their detriment since both Michi and Geega agreed VShojo could stand to take more for the services they offer.
>>90645761>>90647035Stop thinking in binaries.Just because Nyan, Vei and Silver were swayed by Mythic's offer doesn't mean VShojo was a bad deal.It just means that they felt Mythic was better. Zen also got approached by Mythic, but she declined.If the situation had been actually bad, then more people would've left (which is very easy for them to do at any time).
>>90647481It's irrelevant. They're better contracts now and the girls have no complaints.
>>90647413I just think it's important to not concede that the contracts were bad, because they really weren't.
Fucking autists, man...
>>90634903Vshoujo fags really buried the whole veibae nyanners incident
>>90649748It really wasn't much of an incident at the end of the day.
>>90649748You mean the incident that was already discussed ITT?
>>90649748They survived and came out steonger.To be honest Hololive will go on as well. When Coco left and a bunch of members were also contemplating about quitting, hololive became a bit more lenient again and more projects got approved. I think something similar will happen, unless the problems are so fundamental that it's impossible to adjust.
>>90635419If she had hung on longer VShojo would have been left to pick up the pieces in the wake of everything that happened with her in January of this very year anon lol. Like I do wonder how things would have turned out if NOVA was around at the same time as Nazuna, but VShojo objectively dodged a bullet by losing her when they did.
>>90644885No it works anon. It's not ESL.
no
>>90635419>pure not hafu tainted by western bloodDoesn't Miguel literally have Russian blood?
>>90650377I'm grateful nazuna left when she did, if she did know what was about to come out and chose to leave to prevent any heat coming to vshojo (which was undeserved since it happened prior to her joining) that was very kind of her
>>90650725Dodged a nuke with that one. And that's coming from someone who liked her. We got way better individuals now, Mike is lolcow hasbeen.
>>90646383>mikeneko was the one ghosting vshojo staffThey kept bringing her in for useless meetings where they were promising her things that either ended up not panning out or that they had no intention of actually acting on. Most notably, around the time Kson was bragging about getting her contract made better due to the 3 leaving, Miguel was implying her contract was pretty crap. She's objectively a terrible person but there really wasn't anything she wanted in VShojo. On top of that, the members' Discord was completely in English.I'd heard Silvervale used to DM her and talk using Deepl but I'd assume that connection died when Silver left, which was probably one of the few things keeping her in.
>>90651110>still believing Mike's bullshityou are a lost case.
>>90651110Spotted the keyfag. I thought you all hung yourselves or left 4chan.
>>90651395Words used to mean things.
>>90645666Robbed for best music vtuber. She only has covers so far but they're all bangers and for someone of her size to have multiple songs hit a million that's pretty great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13GSdE4ww3g Sun Killer actually has more views than the original now.
>>90634903No, Vshojo is still horrible. The most horrible, even.
>>90651367>>90651395>smartest Vshitshow fagsIt must be a very fun org if you "people" are free to camp the catalog for hours every day in case someone posts anything mildly negative about your corp.
Please leave us alone, we just wanna watch our vtubers...
Just a reminder that high level staff in VShojo have been confirmed to not only browse 4chan, but to post on 4chanJust a reminder that you can literally DM VShojo staff on r*ddit if you just look at the moderates and see which ones are labelled as staff.
>>90639723NOOOOOOOO BUT FORRT IS MORE POWERFUL THAN KEKSON
>>90651920>Shitshoware you sure you want to throw stones inside the glass house anon?
>>90651920we only do this when these bait threads start to appear because it's satisfying after years of corpofans thinking that the jp corpo structure is so much betterlook, vshojofans would be happy if another vtuber org with the same kinds of values and contracts came around, it's not healthy for the industry to be the only large organization that operates this way. if mythic didn't offer decent contracts that drew those three away then vshojo's contracts might not have gotten better after that incident, and then some of the newer members may not have wanted to join. there should be some level of competition to make sure that the talents have options and have a better place to negotiate from>>90652566you say this like every corpo doesn't have at least one person keeping an eye on here... for holo it might just be the talent's chat mods doing it unpaid but it would be foolish to not have that
>>90652566>Just a reminder that high level staff in VShojo have been confirmed to not only browse 4chan, but to post on 4chanAnon, this was confirmed from day 1. Fucking Mowtendoo is one of the big guys in Vshojo. The guy posted Gachi and /a/ memes on youtube back in the day.
>>90652883You do it because you have nothing better to do and you've tied your self worth into sucking off a corpo, lmao>>90652838Anon, my dearest child, I barely watch Vtubers these days, although the ones I'm fond of and would potentially oshi if I started watching more are pretty good, so it doesn't really matter what you "think"
>>90653059>I barely watch Vtubers these daysYou almost have my pity.
>>90652927Apologies, I specifically meant /vt/
>>90653268The pity of someone who actively posts on /vt/ thinking they're making some sort of "difference" is worthless and borderline insulting. I'll just imagine though how many hours you've wasted on catalog threads like this being retarded and laugh myself to sleep tonight though, if you don't mind. And you don't have to give me another (You), I know you're so bored that you have literally nothing better to do.
>>90651110The problem is that Mike is untrustworthy and lies about important stuff. I'm sure there's some reality to what she said but you'd be a dope to take what she says at face value. This doesn't even mean "vshoujo good" but why would you take Mike's word for it?
>>90653414>vshoujoOpinion disregarded
>>90634903You Should kill yourself and stream it, now!!
>>90639723>Kson threatens another talentHow, by saying she will slap her on the face? Are we taking things literally now?
>>90634903Vshojo lost 3 girls at the same time, HoloEn lost 3 in the past 3 yrs. Idk seems about even
>>90653393Probably less than you and at least I'm invested in some vshojo members so I have a better excuse to be here.
>>90653701My man, you're proud to be in the catalog. You're pretty much three steps away from an early grave, lel
>>90653748You're throwing stones in the glass house lol, have some self-awareness.
>>90636694It's good for the talents, but nothing interesting if you are a viewer.
>>90653824You're defending a corpo. I'm mocking retards who have spent hundreds of hours running damage control for free. We're not the same>You're throwing stones in the glass houseDoesn't apply in this case, sorry, sweaty
>>90634903Just leave vshojo out of your shitposting. They haven't done anything offensive in a long time, just let them exist in their twitch corner.
>>90645295It wasn't due to management, they still said nice things about staff after they left. Except maybe Silver who was seemingly trying to stoke more flames for drama slinging shade at the agency for not protecting her after she stepped on a landmine they warned her about and more notably trying to start beef with Mouse. The Hogwarts shit tripled her viewership for a time after all. Mouse chose not to directly engage her so it didn't do much aside from giving her antis some really dogshit ammunition.>IM is a lying snake and bad friend because she didn't talk to Silver in six monthsThey had literally been in a collab or two and attended meetings together in that timeframe.>Uhh she probably meant personally offstreamMouse was busy planning events like her 3d concert and basically recording an album for it while attending a ton of meetings every week to arrange this and other shit like a vtuber awards show that didn't happen while trying to move into a house she bought almost a year before that contractors kept fucking her over on. While her health was declining probably in great part due to stress over all that was going on.. And she still made a statement about the wizard game defending people like Silver and the kettle when she didn't have to.
>>90653947Ok, I really do pity you now. Hope you will find something good in your life soon.
>>90653668The year hasn't ended yet holobrony.
>>90643226>If something of this magnitude happened to vshojoIt did>shojochads don't even shit talk hololiveThey do, even on their general.I have never seen anyone talking about VShojo on /hlg/, weird how that works.
>>90654301we shittalk hololive's corporate structure (which surprise surprise, is confirmed to be an issue driving away talents) and holofans, holo talents are lovely and we like them
>>90645295>due to their managementThere was nothing they could do to keep them. One was in relationship with the CEO or a rival company that she joined with the other three that left. (Poaching). The second one left because she had a dream of her father telling to leave the company and followed her boyfriend. The third one was fatherless a woman and had a classic woman moment.
>>90654112How many hours have you spent posting on the catalog this week?
>>90654386Well, at least you are honest, another vshojofan told me a week ago that nobody in their general talks about holofags in a bad light.
>>90654301You are right, they only talk about Vshoujo.
>>90634903>and the talent actually gets the help they want from the company!!
>>90651110>Kson was bragging about getting her contract made better due to the 3 leaving, Miguel was implying her contract was pretty crap. Why would you provide someone with a better contract who barely streamed on her Nazuna account and would sometimes vaguepost with things that could be negative for the agency? Like the complaints about not being able to stream on YT as Nazuna, it may have been because of Cover but her fanbase and this catalog often took it another way.
>>90654386>and holofansSeeing you guys fight with the Fandead years ago was hilarious. I guess in the end, you lads didn't give a shit about her either and they've all fucked off. It's actually hilarious considering all of the American pandering she pulled
>>90654696Silvervale played the game so it wasn't a ban, just a warning, which was well advised seeing as a hatewave hit Pikamee.
>>90654781>it may have been because of CoverThe more Holos quit, the less likely this seems
>>90634903Remember that time that Silvervale got harassed and doxxed for playing wizard game and management did nothing to support her and some of her genmates even incited more harassment against her?
>>90654849I wouldn't even call it a warning but a word of advice. But since she's Japanese and ex-cult corpo employee she probably took it as a direct order.
>>90654781>sometimes vaguepost with things that could be negative for the agency?Do you remember what nearly all of those vagueposts were pertaining to?
>>90654865>and some of her genmates even incited more harassment against herThese rrats get wilder every time.
>>90634903You used the wrong image, it's not Phase Connect logo.
>>90654865I recognize some of this word salad
>>90654849>>90654922
>>90654865Yeah and they handled the situation as good as possible for something that was mostly outside of their control. (twitter)Also none of her "genmates" incited more harassement.
>>90654865yea she got tired of phaseniggers perpetrating rrats about her and called them out pretty quickly
>>90655076Do you always post that when you get btfo?
>>90654865It's like this post was directly copy pasted for a /pol/phasenig on twitter
>>90655096>they handled the situation as good as possibleby doing absolutely nothing?
>>90655096What? They didn't even post a single "we don't tolerate harassment of our associates" thing. They basically just ignored her.That's not how you handle that at all.
>>90655096Right. They handled it so well that she chose to graduate as thanks for all their hard work.
>>90655218>>90655273Correct. If Vshojo made a statement it would have incurred even more hate so saying nothing against political critique was the right move.>>90655332Vshojo is not just Silvervale. She's responsible for her own actions after she got warned that the game is controversial.
>>90654849>>90654922>>90655155You had your chance to be a quiet cuck loser, but Silver played HL Feb 10, while Nazuna was on Feb 23.Nice copium attempt, Retard.
>>90655557...and? That doesn't change the fact that Silvervale was allowed to play the game..?
>>90653059>You do it because you have nothing better to do and you've tied your self worth into sucking off a corpo, lmaoHoly projecting.
>>90655463>If Vshojo made a statement it would have incurred even more hateNo, it wouldn't have.>political critiqueDid you have a stroke writing this? It makes no senseVShojo doesn't have to make a post saying "fuck trannies" or even any sort of political stance. but they should, at a minimum, have posted about how harassment won't be tolerated. That's the very minimum expected.Their tendency to do nothing and put their head in the ground the moment drama happens isn't how an actual org should operate.
>>90655783Which corp am I sucking off, Shojofag?
>>90655811they should have put out a statement that they agree with the antis and suspended her for 3 weeks?
>>90654055They can't do that. They have to attack something or they'd have to realize their tribal idol is covered in piles of shit.
>>90655734>Silvervale plays game>gets harassed by twitter trannies (that are being egged on by Froot)>Nazuna is banned from playing the game 13 days later because of the harassment>NUH UH, THERE WAS NO BAN, SILVERVALE PLAYED IT!!!!
>>90655811>No, it wouldn't have.It would have and you are delusional if you think you can just tell a hatetrain to stop and they will listen.But if you want to have such a discussion then let's talk about how Cover wasn't just neutral when the chinese hate train harassed Coco but also made her apologize and then still modded her antis.
>>90655734What an absolute retard.
>>90654585Wait, who told you that? Fuck holofans. You assholes have earned your ire.
>>90655901>they should have put out a statement that they agree with the antis and suspended her for 3 weeks?How do you read a sentence that says >have posted about how harassment won't be tolerated.And then just invent something that I didn't say? Do you actually know how to read?
>>90655940They weren't being egged on by Froot you lunatic.And Nazuna could have played the game if she truly wanted, the fact is that Silvervale didn't play the game straight away either despite the backlash.
Of course it's a retarded Ksonfag. Genuinely glad I don't have to deal with you retarded faggots anymore, genuinely the worst fanbase on this board.
>>90654808The fandead never wanted to be part of us being former holodrones. It was highly pathetic that even after their beloved oshi was fired from the corpo they still sided with that corpo over the new one. Considering their oshi, I think it is highly appropriate for them, but not for the rest of us.
>>90655959>It would have and you are delusional if you think you can just tell a hatetrain to stop and they will listen.The point is to be seen to defend one of their streamers rather than leaving her to the dogs, yes. It's a shame you don't seem to understand this, but someone on the slower side like you has no intentions of admitting you're wrong, so this is just a waste of my time.
>>90656071Froot's whole "I'm going to donate a bunch of money to troon charities" (which she never actually did and was purely performative) while Silvervale was being harassed for not supporting trannies was absolutely egging them on and you're blind if you think that wasn't the point.
>>90654856Starting to believe Mike is just stupid. She must have taken the Twitch partnership benefit VShojo has when any new member starts to mean she couldn't stream elsewhere. Which wasn't true at all. There was a time when Twitch didn't allow simultaneous streaming but you could always stream on YouTube or where ever.
>>90656106>waah they call me mean words when i lie
>>90656199The point you mention would open up the entire company to be harassed by those antis, none of which signed up for that, so no, it was the correct move to stay out of a personal decision like that.
>>90656194The culture of the VShojo fanbase was the opposite of what they liked, of course they didn't want to be part of you. I would have assumed that was obvious
>>90656071
>>90655888How should I know, "anonymous"?
>>90656327In other words, leaving their associate out to dry and not getting involved. You can reword it as much as you want but you're not changing the fundamental facts here. >it was the correct move to stay out of a personal decision like thatNo wonder she left that shithole, kek. I don't even like the bitch but maybe she should have gone harder on that in her rant
>>90639723you know what that's a good point
>>906562341. Silvervale also supports troons, she made that perfectly clear while that shit was going on so thinking she would be offended by that charity is something a retarded tourist would say2. Froot decided to support this charity because of a high profile murder of a trans kid in the UK because her sibling is a tranny. It has nothing to do with harassing silver. In fact I posted a screenshot of Froot trying to cheer Silvervale up earlier.
>>90656482If you're going to accuse someone of projecting, you might as well at least have some idea as to what you're talking about or else you'll look like a regard (you already do)
>>90656368I don't really care what "culture" they wanted. They had a thread and could stay to themselves. Most of them did, but some of them just had to come into the main general and talk shit, parroting conspiracies and thinking Mike's vague as shit comments were a call to arms or some rubbish. Frankly, if that was the culture they wanted, the feeling was mutual.
>>90656487Maybe you would have a point if Nyanners and Veibae opened up their mouths to defend Silvervale but they didn't do that either and she is still friends with them.
>Thread praises vshojo to bait holofans>phasekeks gets mad insteadIt's true that when a holofan bleeds a phasekek starts screaming in pain.
>>90656638An agency has an obligation to defend the streamers contracted with them but the other streamers don't' have the same obligation to each other. I hope that helps, anon
>>90656599You're right, "anonymous". Surely, you can stay whatever you want to say about what you are and far be it from me to call you a liar. How would I know? I mean, you wouldn't JUST be here to troll now would you? No, surely not. You wouldn't do that would you? And admit it? In multiple posts?
>>90656637Imagine seething this hard because people who you disagreed with posted in your precious general nearly two years ago and you're still mad at them.
>>90656733And that's why they didn't put other talents and the entire agency as a target. Unlike Hololive they didn't force Silvervale to apologize to her harassers either.
>>906565391. It doesn't matter whether or not Silvervale actually supports them. She was being harassed by trannies for playing Wizard game because apparently that means she wants them all dead.2. As I already mentioned, Froot never actually made any donation, meaning her actions were purely performative. You can rationalize it however you want, but coming out in support of the group of people that are currently harassing your coworker, regardless of what you think her intention was, is absolutely going to egg them on.
Oh my fucking God you faggots and your timeloops. We've been over this shit thousands of times and nobody ever changes their fucking minds. Stop rehashing old shit that gets you nowhere you stupid fucks.
>>90656753Do you want to say something of substance or just seethe like an effeminate bitch?
>>90656928It does when you claim that Froot did the charity just to harass her, even though Silvervale wouldn't find offense to that charity because she supported trannies too.
>>90656999phasenogs will never give up on their retarded bvtm-authored version of the events of the harry potter shiti have no idea why they are so invested in this
>>90656925>And that's why they didn't put other talents and the entire agency as a target.Firstly, there's almost zero chance the other girls would have been harassedSecondly, it's almost impossible to harass an "agency". Don't give me that actual bullshit>Unlike HololivePeople make you make me glad that Coco had to quit. Genuinely the worst fucking fanbase I've ever had the displeasure to deal with, the most delusional and retarded of posters on this board.
>>90657103Which should be obvious and why people shouldn't fucking do it. And yet here we are with not one but two VShojo themed bait threads after a massive Hololive drama. Gee I wonder why.
>>90656928froot never made the donation because faggots like you sent her death threats accusing her of being a pedo supporter
>>90657103I'm not a Phase fan or a BVTM fan and I also agree that VShojo dropped the ball in that situation. Do you have any falseflags to accuse me of, oh brave and knowledgeable anon?
>>90657250Yeah, there you go. Surely that will work this time. You get them, sport.
>>90656688bvtmshills foam in their mouths with year old dead narratives no one else is buyingThat said, the guy himself going after people like Bao nowadays is a new low blow
>>90657070I'm not saying that Silvervale would be offended over the donation (which again, Froot never actually did).Froot coming out in support of trannies (the people concurrently harassing Silvervale for playing a video game) emboldened those trannies to continue harrassing Silvervale because they saw that Froot was on their side.
Okay now recognize the pattern: he's now shifted the argument in such a way that justifies himself and as soon as you say something contradictory or questioning the logic he'll shift it again so it isn't and yadda yadda fucking stop you retards. You aren't going to "win".
>>90657427Vshitshow shills spend hours a day in the catalog, it shouldn't be a surprise that they know how to argue like this
>>90657178>Firstly, there's almost zero chance the other girls would have been harassed>Secondly, it's almost impossible to harass an "agency". Don't give me that actual bullshitYou're talking out of your ass, both are things that were likely to happen and in addition to that the chance that the harassment would stop because of a statement is almost 0, so yeah in my opinion they did the right thing.>>90657322Silvervale herself came out in support of trannies, kind of defeating your own logic there. Also again, Froot showed support in Silvervale's channel.
Silvervale leaving was the best thing ever
Did he listen? Nooooo. Listening is for smart people. Anon is dumb. Has to keep arguing even tho he'll get nowhere.
>>90657650Lay off the estrogen, buddy
>>90657573>You're talking out of your assRight back at you>both are things that were likely to happen No they weren't. Give examples of when an agency defending one talent led to a flaming getting worse>the chance that the harassment would stop because of a statement is almost 0,The point is to dissuade the more casual antis with legal threats and actually take action against the more serious ones (like the doxxers). Of course, VShojo would never bother actually taking any meaningful steps either, right?
where's this melty coming from?
>>90634903Are we forgetting how their biggest streamers left the company because the new contract would give them less money?
>>90657750>The point is to dissuade the more casual antis with legal threatskek this has to be a keyfag
>>90657957Wow, you really showed him by ignoring the point, lelDidn't Holo and even Niji sign a big join agreement against harassment. I guess VShojo is pro-harassment then.
>>90657939Are you talking about the "new contract "that still had a more favorable cut than any other vtuber company? Because that was already discussed earlier.
>>90657957>the thread
>>90658029Because it's such a retarded point in the west where people have freedom of speech that it has to be a keyfag.
>>90658076Clearly they felt other agencies were better or else they would have stayed
>>90658266Mythic isn't a vtuber company. Go scroll up and read the discussion first.
>>90658221My friend, posting dox and death threats is going to be an issue regardless of "free speech". You must be underage and/or retarded. My fucking God, they don't send their best.
>>90658384>read the discussion=>read my other 50 retarded posts in this argument with multiple peopleLel
>>90657316>mad at baonot the angry nguyens again kek
>>90658507When will Hololive and Nijisanji sue 4chan then? Because clearly there's dox and death threats here. Oh wait....
>being openly mocked for trying to talk senseBut oh do keep engaging him.Fucking retards.
>>90634903I like their talents. Their new jp girls are very cute.
>>906587364chan doesn't offer the same disclosure procedures that 5ch does and we know that Hololive girls have sued people on 5ch.Cover posted a report about the costs of taking action against harassment. I think it was around the time that La+ was being harassed a lot. I'm sure you saw it? Well they can try to threaten Hiroshimoot and see if he'll give out IPs but I don't think it's possible. In that case, unironically Twitter is proabbly the better way to go about dealing with harassment in the West
>>90658921Cover literally made Coco apologize to her harassers and modded her antis. Now that's a real shitshow.
>>906589214chan will absolutely give out your IP if someone sends them a subpoena, this isn't Telegram. But really nothing here is actionable under US law, Mori isn't going to sue because anon called her a braphog.
>>90659082>changing the subject again
god i wish amnesia anon would just kill himself already
VShojo drama seems so minor compared to other companies drama. Other companies have loads of active talents constantly complaining about management and how it's limiting them, perms autism hell, they have to pay money for their own projects which management gets to profit from and can cancel at will, they have to go through layers of management and red tape to get anything done, everyone microanalyzes every tweet, message, and roommate activity to get hints at what's really happening behind the scenes because there's zero transparency and everything is masked by corporate PR. They can't just leave with their own model if they feel like their company is no longer a good fit because their brand and IP is owned by the company so they have to start over while restrained by an NDA that stops them from talking about their time in the corpo, the friends they made along the way (they're banned from collabing with them now), and the moments they shared with their fans. Nyan has collabed with Mouse multiple times after leaving and even hugged gunrun and has gotten one or two raids from Henya and Zen, and Vei has even mentioned Mouse and other VShojo members from time to time. They don't have to use a super secret roommate account to interact with them, and can actually mention things they did with them even though they're no longer part of VShojo.https://youtu.be/u5pj1wqi7oI?si=MOtoZLhN8THKjFG-&t=44
>making up names for anons and expecting anyone to understandActual, unironic autism
>>90659625He tried multiple times but he keeps forgetting
>>90635122Jokes on you, 'hi' in japanese means yes which means she agrees.
>>90659919ひ?
I've had some exposure to Vshojo due to some of my favorite indies collabing with them. They're mostly OK. Friend is a huge IM fan and shows me clips but none of them have been funny so I don't check her out.
>>90659775
>>90659759I always love watching stuff like that from a Holo. "yeah they seem so supported and free... NOT THAT I DON'T HAVE THOSE THINGS TOO MR. YAGOO-SAN AND THE PERSON HOLDING THE KATANA TO MY NECK IF I SAY OTHERWISE". I pity them, but they choose to stay and that's their business and I have no reason to question them. I just find it funny they always have to catch themselves before they realize what they say can be construed against Cover or something. Constant PR management must be exhausting. Not that VShojo and indies don't have to be careful sometimes, too. If you want a sponsorship with Razer, you can't exactly talk shit about them, so more of a business decision choice there, but yeah.
>>90660091Mouse's humor is not really her strong point, unless she's zooted off her ass on her meds or she's in a gremlin model and her mindset changes to something a bit less than her normal self. The worm karaoke during the recent subathon where she didn't know the lyrics to the songs she was asked (paid) to sing was pretty funny because she had to come up with lyrics on the fly and struck a few pieces of gold.
>>90660195Could you try talking a bit more normally? It's like a stream of consciousness each post
>>90654585>another vshojofan told me a week ago that nobody in their general talks about holofags in a bad light>holofags???No we shit on them at every opportunity and have for four years
>>90660591Rent free
>>90660591>we
>>90655940>VShojo banned them from playing it after Silver got harassed!Then why did Silver play it two more times
>>90660733nta but yes, we. holofans on this website are assholes, elsewhere they're fine
>>90657750I just think it's funny how people on this board will praise Filian endlessly for never ever responding to people shitting on her because it's the objectively correct move to make, while VShojo doing it is wrong apparently lol.
>>90660847The way an individual streamer should respond and how an agency should respond are different. Hope that helps!
>>90635120Froot already brought the receipts. Anyone would've cheated on that psychotic shitbag.
>>90656928>support of the group of people that are currently harassing your coworkerBut trannies weren't harassing Silver, it was white liberal Twitter activists who think they speak for trannies
Holo burning down in flames. Quick bring up 2 year old Vshojo drama. Lmao.
>>90660733Yes, fuck them for not supporting Coco more. I hope all of them graduate and tell the Holocucks to fuck off for good
>>90660919vshojo had warned talent about the issues that streaming that game might cause. silver did it regardless, so vshojo had two choices1) defend silvervale and ask for harassment to stop, signalling to the trans people who were bitching at her that the company doesn't think transphobia is a big deal. that would lead to other talents being questioned why they were working for a company okay with transphobia2) stay silent on the matter, protecting the other talents from harassment by distancing the companyconsidering silver did not take the advice that was given to her and brought the consequences on herself, protecting the other talents was the correct move
>>90661085My rrat has been that the same twitter fags that harassed Pikamee and silver where the same ones that where going after Froot for the doc in sept ,Its not even liberals or whatever, its just zoomer seaniggers that worship andrew tate
>>90659759VShojo talents do have to pay for their own projects too, but the difference is they're only taking on projects that they want to do and there's no pressure for them to be doing things that may not interest them. Geega and Kuro have been in the group for over a year now and neither has released a single song. Kuro even kinda shittalked one of the songs he did while back at Niji for what he thought was a poor performance on his part lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H84fqZykHpI
>>90661329>Geega>release a single songGood one.
>>90660791You don't talk for me.
vshojo gives me bad vibes idk why but i normally have a good grasp on this type of thing
>>90661450Fine. Stay away. We'll all be happier.
>>90661450Uh huh how'd those vibes work out for Fauna
>>90661251You keep inventing some imaginary scenario where VShojo is apparently able to only put out the worst statement possible that doesn't result in shit hitting the fan. I'm sorry you have such a limited imagination but I suppose that's he only way to defend VShojo's inaction
>>90634903VShojo defends Froot when she should have been fired already. It's a shame there's a lot of corpos and indies who just won't distance themselves from the clique.
>>90661635>You keep inventing some imaginary scenario where VShojo is apparently able to only put out the worst statement possible that doesn't result in shit hitting the fan.Because that's what would happen.There is no scenario where the company making a statement doesn't just amplify the problem by spotlighting it and validating the people doing it.It's Internet 101. Don't feed the trolls.You do not have to respond, and it's better that you don't.
Holo really just needs to learn 1 thing...
>>90661741You defend Yagoo when he should have been fired already. It's a shame there's lots of corpos and indies who just won't distance themselves from the suits.
>>90639723>I'm assuming she's made amends since they collab'dI'm assuming you're a dumbass
>>90661879but seaniggers need to be cruel and treat people like shit or they will never reach heaven or whatever shit they believe in
>>90661828Damn bro, are you finally learning? Took you long enough. Fucking retard.
>>90661828It's not at all difficult for a company to de-escalate a situation provided they're not comically incompetent. Whoops
>>90661954The irony of that image is that this is exactly what Michi is used to and talked about at length in the Geega interview video and during her "react" to that video, said she's STILL not used to VShojo being nice to her. Michi is literally emblematic of SEA's crippling oppression mindset. The poor thing. She clearly needs even more FREEDOM cumshots inside of her.
I can't believe VShojo is pro-harassment
>>90661635so what exactly do you think they should have said? this is a serious question, and I'll give you some info to entice you- I would never tweet at a stranger because I'm not weird but yeah I thought silver was shitty for playing the game. I consider anyone who chose to play it despite knowing the details of why it was an issue (pikamee does not count because of that) to be an asshole. I didn't really know much about vshojo at the time it happened so I was a neutral party on that side of it, and thus I'm telling you from a neutral perspective at the time that she was thought of as in the wrong by a lot of her peers and the audiences of other indies. if vshojo had come out and asked to stop the barrage of tweets at her I would have considered that defending her not giving a shit about trans peopleso what do you think they should have said that wouldn't turn people against the company?
>>90661450hololive gives her bad vibes.
>>90634903How the fuck did they lose Nyanners? Are they are a black company?
>>90662103She need to leave indo before their shitty Healthcare kills her
>>90634903Regardless as to their quality/lack thereof, they're going to generate astronomical levels of seethe if they don't explode within the next 3 years like everyone has said they would. Ironically enough, nothing has actually stuck to them outside of /here/ rep wise except for instances where somebody is such a retard that it turns into a positive.
>>90657322>support of trannies (the people concurrently harassing SilvervaleSupporting transgender people's right to live does not mean you support a tiny minority that's harassing someone. That's like saying that supporting women's rights means you also support Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking operation. Like no idiot that's a whole different thing. What kind of schizophrenic logic is that.
>>90662250Athel has a horse cock, like BBC MANDINGO cock. thats why
>>90662250It came to her in a dream. Literallly.
>>90662250On the contrary we found her a boyfriend and fixed her brainworms now she's on the way to being a tradwife with a cute puppy.
Never mind. The retard did not, in fact, learn at all, and is still trying to reason with an anti.
>>90662214>but yeah I thought silver was shitty for playing the game.Should have said that from the start, it explains your bending over backwards for hours. Christ Almighty. No wonder you came across as a scumbag of the highest order. Of course it's someone who is pro-trangenderism who would act in such a disgusting way
>>90662298>>90662305>>90662339Good explanations. Thanks for the precise insight.This is why I frequent and read /vt/
>>90662483that was my second post about this topic because it's obnoxious to always use nta, so you've been wasting time with somebody else
>>90662483>Of course it's someone who is pro-trangenderism who would act in such a disgusting wayBut enough about Silvervale.
>>90662250Literally her deceased father came to her in a dream and told her she'd have to make a tough choice and move on. Aethel played the other side, Dad won.
>>90662367What definition of anti are you using?
>>90662687>Vshojofags doing literally anything possible to justify their agency letting other people harass their streamers without having to do anything
I'm just going to post Nagi's
>>90662483its like a pringles can down there, i know because he beat me with it at anime expo 2 years ago
>>90662865"I think it's bad if you do this" != "I think you should be harassed and threatened if you do this"
>>90662865silver deserved it , at least have better wolf wife coming soon
>>90662865I defended her freedom to play the game but that's it, if you step into the kitchen make sure you can take the heat.
>>90662226Grimmi already had experience with cults and was really abducted by one. the real deal. She may be airheaded but she can smell the zealot sect from afar.
>>90663052>no, you can't just play the evil wizard gameWhat's the reason, again? The author said that men aren't women? how horrible
>>90663404I'm just shocked it was Holo and not Niji. But she also got scammed by Seth. Would she trust Vshojo after all that?
>>90661251>>90661635>>90662214Frankly the fact that they didn't make a statement and continued on business as usual is a positive. They could've dropped a statement AND dropped Silver to save face and protect their other talents which is what you would probably expect of a corporation in those times but they didn't.
>>90663537she's doing fine by herself and got back on her feet after getting scammed for the hot sauce thing.
>>90663530The author is a full on genital justice warrior to the point that it's freakish. If she just said that nobody would really care, the problem is that she's actually insane. Bitching about genitals is literally her entire life.
>>90663537There was a thread last night that linked to her talking about corpos. Surprisingly she did say that she thought VShojo was one of the good ones and had a lot of not so good things to say about Japanese-styled corpos
>>90663607>Frankly the fact that they didn't make a statement and continued on business as usual is a positive.And other lies I tell myself
>>90663712it was the mold in her house. I am not joking she has black mold all over her house and it infected her brain
>>90663607>the fact VShojo didn't do this much worse thing means that their total inaction was actually good70 IQ take
>>90663806>>90663929yea they should have tweeted out some meaningless platitudes that literally do nothing except streisand effect and draw more attention to her. hololive and niji do that and that's why they're the top dogs. oh wait.
>>90664039>it keeps coping with retardation
>>90664082holonijiseethe
>>90664160Vshojotard
i cum on wwas fat man tits
>>90664235nice meltdown, keep seething as vshojo continues to win please
>>90664347Win mediocrity
>>90662865They can't just turn off the Internet for them anon and they can't take legal action against every anti. The same reason they couldn't do much for Mouse with all the shit in the past two years, she just lets staff handle her business emails and most of her other shit outside of Twitch and Twitter at this point so she doesn't have to look at it anymore.
>>90663537She already got scammed by msm before she pulled out, so you could say that she learned from msm and selen, pulled out from holo and was proven right.
breeding amnesia anon
>>90664399Ok I will take that as a win coming from an anti.
>>90664633Define anti
>>90664633Are you that retarded Henyafag?
>>90656004I'm not gonna pretend that there aren't holofags who hate Vshojo, but the same people who make bait threads about hololive right now, are the same who make these VShojo bait threads, they only care about creating drama.VShojofags have it easy, they can point to holofags for everything bad that happens here. Holofags have a similar scapegoat, but to a lesser extent to either nijifags or phasefags, depending on the day.Point is, dramafags (some are numbermonkeys) just wanna pit fanbases against eachother for YOUs. They don't really have a "team" they play for, or just a superficial one, they don't even watch streams.
>>90665759Can't have it both ways, bruh. >HOLOTHREADS>HOLOBOARD>Oh but not that. That's not us. That's Nijisisters or PhasecucksYou are the largest fanbase on /vt/. The odds that this shit is done by holofags is far greater than anything else. And, yes, I recognize that phasecucks are over represented here than they are anywhere else so they have the second biggest likelihood of making bait. But, still, the greatest odds are that it is your ilk, whether SEAfags or not, they're still yours. Just accept that.
>>90666043Do you know how to read?
This thread in a nutshell
>>90665759Agreed, but i think /vsj+/ mostly has an axe to grind with #chimps (which is a holo thread) not really holofans in general, or the ones outside this board.
>>90666505# is a plague on this board and everyone who regularly posts in the thread should be perma'd
>>90666612based
