Reminder that this is the same chick that went menhera over Ame leaving the company and the queen of doomposts that anons frequently used for bait threads by the way
>>90638353
>>90638353not specifically about Fauna, but in general I'd say
>>90638353>Bad news members content>Instant catbox link>Good news members content>Pretend it doesn't existIt's suffering to be Kiara nowadays
>>90638353Well. Last time everyone was fine with someone leaving was Rushia, and we know how that ended.I know little of Lemon but I don't think she ever has as bad of a rep as Mike
>>90639025I like Fauna/leaf but she's a jirei girl irl and those are always mentally unstable and kittish as fuck.
>>90638353>HOW DO I MAKE THIS ABOUT KIARA?
>>90638353>JP and EN corpo slaves: "Do not worry consumer, nothing is wrong.".
>>90638801It was an hour long monologue, too much effort to clip for our resident SEAchamas
>>90638353I just want Kiara to graduate so she'll start doing nude gravure
Gotta be a good girl for your corporate overlords, now.
>>90638353Why would anyone overreact? She'll be long gone before the consequences of this catch up to the company.
>>90638353Kiara HATES FaunaYOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS, GET YER NEWS HERE.TITANIC SINKING SECOND PAGE, FAUNA GRADUATION FIRST PAGE, ONLY 25 CENTS PER PAPER
>>90639115She’s like 30 though, she doesn’t have that kind of energy anymore
>>90639804she still can do it but it's not close to her prime, she looks old now, yuro old
>>90640219>she doesn’t have that kind of energy anymoreWhat do you think Karens are?A lot of those people get even worse with age rather than mellowing it.
>>90638353Always had the sense that Kiara thought Fauna was kind of a bitch. Same with Mumei.
>>90638353OP doing everyone a disservice AGAIN by trying to condense a whole hour of talk into the subject line and making people think shit like the guy above meSomebody even wrote a summary but nooooo don't link it. Great job anon
I never saw Fauna streaming with men. I can't say that about Kiara.
>>90640850this is bait sappos don't touch it
>>90638353fauna did not have friends inside hololive and she was not allowed to collab with her friends from outside
>>90640406That would be peak projection on her part.
>>90640692>Somebody even wrote a summary but nooooo don't link it>doesn't link itGreat job Anon
>>90638353Kiara being hypocritical on a day that ends in y.
>>90638353>"Don't waste your time digging for the truth."
>>90640089Didn't Fauna absolutely demolish Kiara in AoE with elephant spam despite Kiara tryharding?
>>90640406>Kiara dislikes the best Holos ENYup, that adds up.
>>90641574>>90632864
>>90641756Clinging to elephants to shitpost after 7 days to die makes you guys look stupid
>>90641860>said with humorNow that's a fucking lie. Kiara doesn't know humor.
>>90642068It's always been the oppositeIt's you
Seems every Hololive member is putting out statements. Hololive is having its members do PR since they know if they do it would just make them look worse atm.
>>90642126Try to prove me wrong.
>>90638801Nobody cares about good newsIt's always bad news that gets engagementNot limited to vtubers btw. Regular MSM news programs are the same way
>>90642405I don't have to
The idol faction won, but at what cost? Of course Kiara is not going to complain. Same for Mori, IRyS, Bae, FWMC,... who are deeply invested into the idol system.The issue is that I don't think Holo fans are ready to see their oshi ground into dust before graduation, to give place to the dev_is talent factory.Will the people who got into Hololive because they were streamers turned idols watch idols turned streamers instead? Probably not.Will it matter in the end? Who the fuck knows.
>>90642850Fauna specifically mentioned enjoying being an idol.
>>90642901I love how Fauna tried to kill every rrat Holodrones would come up with.
why not just say it in a public stream why does it have to be in a members stream this is a certified holodrone moment
>>90642850Fauna didn't even stream that much so complaining about "idol" vs "streamer" makes no sense.Most if not all of the "idol" girls streamed more than her in 2023 and 2024
>>90638353so you are saying there is a skinwalker?
>>90643002She failed to kill the biggest one that has been spreading about (partly because she admitted it herself on stream): Fauna doesn't want to travel to JP and stay there for extended time
>>90642901That's not the issue here. Doing basic idol activities is not going to cut it anymore, now you'll have to run yourself ragged for merch and sponsors like your average AKB bitch (except they expect you to stream on top of that). You can't just be a silly anime girl on the internet playing Minecraft, you're here to make the investors dream about the next Hoshimachi Suisei.
>>90642850Kiara said you don't have to do any of that, you can even skip fes if you wanted to
>>90640850>I never saw Fauna streaming with men.
>>90638353Well we all know theres somethings wrong going on behind the scenes. talents like Ame, Aqua, Chloe, Fauna and whoever else is next don't just leave and there's nothing wrong. We know it's a management issue but not which management maybe there's a management civil war going on behind the scenes
>>90643359So Kiara calls Laplus a liar?
>>90638353Mio also debunked Fauna's "management disagreement" thing.
>>90643609When did La+ say otherwise?
>>90643609pancakes and wafflesAlso slight correction, she said she's "pretty sure". But anyway, Fauna said she liked being an idol, so that's not the problem
>>90642850>>90643322it's all so ridiculous. I'm pro-idol but hololive shouldn't just be about that. There's plenty of room for all types of talent and creators. that's what originally hololive apart from the others. But the investors only see the $ suisei and mori bring and expect everyone else to follow that approach
I don't trust what her or anybody else says. It just sounds like them covering up their ears and going LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU EVERYTHING IS FINE HOLOLIVE IS PERFECT AND WE LOVE MANAGEMENT AND OUR KIRKY GOOD GUY CEO YAGOO LALALALALA SHUT UP. Like nah man, it just sounds like damage control. It applies double if it's the Japanese members saying it since they basically grow up being told to worship the company they end up working for.
>pro-holo/managementmikosuiseibaekroniikiara>anti-holo/managementaquaamefauna
>>90643788>>90643788Oh she totally didn't say she loves management lol. This is Kiara. Read here >>90641860
>>90643592Some people are very good at burying their heads in the sand.Talents leaving is normal.Talents leaving in short succession is concerning.Talents leaving for the same reasons means that something is wrong. And considering those reasons (management and overwork), they won't be the last.
>kiara says they want to do different things in life>fauna says she doesn't want to gokiara just shut up and keep twerking/farting you're not good at PR
>>90644071The problem is, management issues is very vague. It can be completely different things that involve management, and their dates of announcement don't necessarily mean they started the process at the same time. Honestly, the fact that they aren't spread out is very concerning on the surface but I also think it might mean they feel like don't have anything to hide. Like, if there was a "queue" it would look even more sus imo
>>90644375what fucking third world monkey currency is that
>>90643788She still hates management and she still has a thousand complains. She simply thinks the pro outweight the cons.What she said basically is that..There is no big change in 2024. Management is bad, but has always been badIt’s not idol stuff, it’s not a change of direction, it’s not game perms, it’s not anything you can think of. There is no one single reason. Management’s retardation is just that. Retardation over many topics and for years that may affect different people differentlyTalents leaving the same day may have started discussions months appartOver 2024, the talents who left, all left for different reasons, there isn’t a common reason that motivated everyone to leave. Management retardation can take many shapes
>>90644375Sorry anon, this is a members stream and you forgot to photoshop the member badge.
>>90644468This doesn't inspire confidence in me all that much, admittedly this does paint a picture that we aren't building up to some big cataclysmic end of Hololive but it sounds like death by thousand paper cuts departures will continue in the years to come with management not caring to fix easily solved problems but letting them linger.
>>90644453Phillipine Peso apparently.
>>90644341Boy Kiara's going to be surprised one day when it's her turn and the corpo-shills she's allied herself with don't stand up for her.
>>90644927>This doesn't inspire confidenceIt shouldn’t.The worst is that she even said that she wish the graduation would improve the conditions, but she knows it won’t.
>>90638353kiara may be a bitch but she always keeps it realthis says a lot about fauna's character
>>90645136the corpo-shills already fucked over her album sales and a bunch of other shit. She moved on and kept going.
>>90641860Kiara was honest that it wasn't a single issue that caused Fauna to quit but a growing number of issues that built up over the years. She has to walk on eggshells when saying anything related to Cover because that is her employer and most of their complaints are covered by the NDA which means that none of the talents can give any details. It does seem notable that both Fauna and Kiara made sure to mention that it wasn't related to idol activies and that even sponsorships are optional. That Kiara doesn't like certain Hololive decisions is a little ominous when there have been several graduations this year. She is fair to say that "money is not everything" and that Hololive is only a job.Ina and Kronii clearly have issues with their sleazy model designs but it seems like the EN talents have many disagreements with management which are getting worse. That might be the worse case scenario for HoloEN that management doesn't actually care about solving any of their issues since if the graduation rate goes up they can take the Nijisanji option of releasing more gens.
>>90645242I know that's a shitpost, but nothing says more "keeping it real" than leaving your company while shitting on it, refusing the "affiliate" bribe, and getting away with it.
>>90645630>grifting is based, actually
>>90645630Was Fauna always this based?
>>90638353How many left in EN? Two? Two is not bad.
>>90645809>refusing bribes is grifting
>>90642901If she doesn't do singing, dancing and concerts after graduation that would confirm that she didn’t actually care for any of that.
>>90645809that's not what grifting means
>>90638353>>90642179>telling the girls they can to throw Fauna under the bus >trying to make her sound like she's being dramatic We doing niji 2.0 I guess
>>90645440imagine writing all of this just to immediately make it pointless with your faggotry, outfit schizo
>>90646031She always keeps one in the chamber, so I hear.
>>90643322Kiara already said they can opt out of this if they don't want to
ME ME ME
>>90646434It wouldn't confirm anything, management has members quit in jp who had no issues with it. Blaming it on Fauna is retarded
>>90646996Why did she graduate then? It's either that or she doesn't get payed enough.
>>90647098She literally said it, because of management.But management doesn’t mean one singular instance or one particular issue. It means that overall management is ass and it’s tiring after three years.
>>90647098Maybe she values her time and doesn't want to waste it by being away like Gura. She just want to stream and not worry about perms and restrictions
>>90647089Why do they graduate then? Does yaggoo molests them or what? Not wanting to sing and dance is the most plausible explanation.
>>90647186What does that even mean? What did management do exactly?
>>90647197>the most plausible explanation.No it isn't, not when you have people like Dooby taking part in a 3D concert at some point this month. You (and some other anons) have an obsession with being anti-idol and it's clouding your judgement.
>>90647276What management didn’t do at this point? I could make a 10 hours long compilation of all talents complaining about management on hundreds of topic. And on top of that you can add twice as much stuff that they can’t talk publicly.
>>90647186That would make sense if it wasn't that sudden and if she wasn't talking before about participating in later projects like ENReco and 7D2D S2.There's was clearly a breaking point.
>>90647499It only seems sudden when you look at it from your side. From her side, it’s a build up and probably months of discussion/negotiations.The announcement is always sudden, they don’t talk publicly about future graduation or issues until it’s too late.
Fauna and Gura were the only ones to be skinwalked in the past 2 concerts. She just doesn't like going to Japan
>>90647419"I didn't mean to kill the talent I was supposed to be watching, officer."
>>90646434>if she doesn't do all that shit that takes major production money on a lesser subscriber base after graduation that would confirm that she didn't actually care about any of thatI don't want to play devil's advocate here and say big corpo good, but there are tangible benefits to working with them if you want to fulfil stage dreams. You can care about something deeply and still quit if management fucked up big time, it's having a sense of career self-worth.
>>90643831Where's peko in this?
>>90646484it literally is ESLbro
>>90648210In the middle. Doesn't like management but will not spit in the soup since they gave her everything she wanted (solo live, her stupid MC fan server,...)
>>90641812if Fauna is the best of holoEN then that whole branch is doomed
>>90646948Anon if you truly believe that Ina and Kronii aren't getting 2.0 model redesigns than you are going to be really confused in 2025. Of course they have many other disagreements with management so the harsh truth is that graduations are part of the Hololive business model. Cover rarely feels the need to compromise since they own everything and when needed they can release a new gen.
>>90641507Hmmm…
>>90644927There is no easy solution because management is hard and gets even harder with JP autism.There are retards in power, but there are also restrictions nobody is happy about that have to be there.
>>90642179>Retards start sperging out and calling for heads to roll>Holos take to twitter to calm them down and explain that sometimes people leave their job>Retards have no concept of a job and continue to moan like Fauna was dragged through the streets and rapedThe saplings are pathetic but I know most of you are just seething sisters and phase shit stirrers.
It makes sense, if Cover tanks its reputation, people will boycott, that means they'll stop giving money to the corpo, and by extension, the talents.Kiara saw it with NijiEN, so all those "fuck cover" posts on twitter are making her scared and she's thinking that she's gonna lose a significant amount of revenue.
>>90642901Don’t quote the woman we are crafting narratives around.
>Kiara>shit talks her managers and how management is fucking things up>Also Kiara>Telling people to stop being worried about recent eventsIs she still ME ME ME ME posting?
>>90646709That would require cover releasing a massive statement slandering Fauna first instead of quietly letting her go
>>90648998During her 1 hour rant, Kiara has done nothing but shit over management. 1 hour, not a single positive thought about management.She said many things, but "management good" isn’t one of them.
Let's just pretend like numerous other holos aren't currently PL posting and signaling imminent graduation.This reminds me of Millie in complete denial before the collapse
>>90650107
>>90649864I think it's more that Fauna hasn't yet confided in her why she's leaving so Kiara can only speculate. If Kiara actually knew she wouldn't be able to hide it (which is probably why Fauna hasn't told her).
>>90638353No one can tell ME what to do.
>>90646709She is definitely being dramatic because my oshi Biboo is happier than I've ever seen her lately. Who is wrong, the neurotic vegan or my cute wife Biboo?
>>90643322>You can't just be a silly anime girl on the internet playing MinecraftFauna doesn't even want to do that anymore. Minecraft Monday has been dead for some time.
>>90640850
>>90640089That's not news. We already knew that.
I don’t believe her
Basically, she phrased "Fauna quit over being unwilling to fly to Japan frequently because of MUH NO VEGAN RESTAURANTS and MUH BF" as politely and ambiguously as possible.
>>90646434>if she doesn't build a multimillion dollar studio and rent out madison square she was full of it!
There can only be 1 Green
>>90652809Yes, Kiara
>>90653089Kiara has green on her hair/feathers and outfit, but it isn't her primary color, it's orange. Nobody is going to be calling Kiara a green holo when green makes up like 10% of her compared to orange being 90%.
>>90653209No, she's green. With envy. And the gas chambers of KFP are green too.
>>90640406kiara is pretty annoying and annoying people tend to project that on others.
>>90653405pot, kettle
The most important point she has brought up is that the internal goals and structures have changed very, very slowly over time, through years of restructuring and it was a very transparent internal change, which destroys both the "shareholders made Cover force idolshit down everyone's throat" and the "the talents dodn't sign up for this" rrats. What you see today has been planned before Cover went public.
>>90647893>>90652522mint already did a concert
>>90643322>except they expect you to stream on top of thatThere's a bunch of holos who barely stream. There are holos who streams just once a month. The doesn't look like streaming is mandatory.
>>90641860Very eye opening talk. Thanks anon. I was wondering why people were talking about Kiara, but she knows how to open her mouth unlike the rest of Hololive.
>>90654712That makes it much worse, doesn't it? That they might have ignored problems for years until it pushed her to a breaking point. That's a much more likely and worse scenario based on what we know.
>>90641660wasn't that an Enna quote
>>90640353>she looks old now
>>90651594Fauna didn't seem neurotic. We know now we can't really tell how someone feels based on their NDAs and that cover enforces much more than we originally thought, so even she could be feeling the effects of bad management but doesn't want to risk losing her job. It's nice Biboo's at least not having a noticeable mental break down as of yet.
>>90658173No, because it has not been a problem at all for some other talents and it has been a managable necessity, even if annoying, for the rest. The way Kiara described it is that it's not one issue that makes the talents leave, it's more like how stress and new motivations to leave build up over the years through these cases, or outside of them.It's also important to factor in the passsing of time and how boredom setting in can make tasks worse than they seem. For example, let's say that Cover asks for a couple of retakes on parts of a voicepack submission. When a talent is doing that for the first time, she's very motivated to correct her mistakes and will submit the new version ASAP. A couple of years in, and a similar request will be met with a groan and the talent putting it somewhere in the end of her list of tasks.
>>90658584Biboo hasn't streamed since the announcement. She will later today but she is in Japan apartment hunting with Gemchan. Today we'll see how she is taking it.
>>90648522Kill yourself outfitschizo.
>>90660292>Kill yourself outfitschizo.Why are you going so far to defend Cover when you know that even the Hololive talents don't agree with management? There is now a good amount of evidence that contract disputes have been going on with the EN branch for at least 2 to 3 years. Sana may have been the first graduation but now with Ame and Fauna we know there is a lot of stuff that stays hidden because of the NDA.
>>90640353Does she have a nice belly going? That’s what I’m really into. Not too big and round, but plump and with a nice bit of sag.
>>90641812>best Holos EN
>>90662134You're just fucking delusional about what the issues are about. You have no idea what you're talking about. There's a management issue that needs to be fixed. That's all we know. Now kys you delusional faggot
