You didn't fall for the nijibait right?
here's your pity bait reply better luck next time champ
>>90685340Graduating Holos are nijibait?
>people who have a vested interest in things being perceived as fine are saying it's fineshocker
>>90685340I'm antimanagment on principle
>>90685340>Every single holo has come out to say the management is finewhy are they throwing fauna under the bus and making her look like an ungrateful bitch?
>>90685340It's all a "cover" up, anon. kek. Management is keeping your oshi inside basements. Don't believe the lies.
>>90685340>nijibait rightmore like DEI bait. Does anyone have that page where it states something along the lines of "Dont blame the management" or something like that
>>90685506because she is a bitch
>>90685340I never did. I felt sad for Fauna but Bae has been happy this year so I knew it couldn't have been something systematic. More of a difference in opinions and priorities
>>90685556
>>90685737I just saw that clip today. It was funny but I was a bit sad because I couldn't get the Gozaru limited...
>>90685506This is real "I like pancakes" and you hear "fuck your waffles" energy, get some help.
>>90685340I'm sure it was the "Holo"s posting and not management skinwalking
>>90685340I never doubted yagoo plan. Selen already fooled me once and I will never be fooled by a grifter trying to get her fanbase by smearing her coworkers.
>>90685340>there's no war in ba sing se
Four girls that have defended management since the announcement were streaming when Fauna ended her streamShe didn't raid any of them, Fauna almost always raids, there's 100% some deeper discontent from Fauna in there.
>>90685340proof next thread?
>>90685737>management shenanigans>gozaru being stress-muteThat was such unfortunate timing lel
>fauna (and ame) says "my problem is with management">every holo says "T-THE COMPANY IS CHANGING FOR THE BETTER ITS OKAY"
>>90685340I can't believe fauna was a double agent
I'm never going to like it. I felt really comfortable playing with Fauna and as such I have like 50+ meme pictures of her character across my systems. On top of that YouTube politely informed me that she was my 2nd most watched out of 278 creators.Who am I supposed to play with now? Fauna made the last few years a lot of fun. Most of the generals just have "oh look at my titties" pictures. Soulless.I'm gonna our jolly green giant of the field of Vtubing.
>>90685340I won't believe until we get a suisei, miko and fubuki black stream
>Every Holo has said management is fine>Ignores that most of them have said things have changed in the company over the last 2 years>Ignores that Kiara said that some people might have more issues with management than she or other talents do, and that each talent could have valid reasons for saying what Fauna didSure, whatever you want to say fag.
>>90685506As someone who has had a job unlike the rest of you freaks, I don't like it when some random co-worker decides to make a mess of my life due to their personal issues. I have my own shit to deal with.
>>90686035>2ndFake fan
>>90685998Their problem with management may not be everybody else's. Have you ever held a job before? People quit all of the time while others stay until retirement. It is how it is
>>90685998>50+ talents say "we're making bank and doing fine">every schizo says "I-I-IT'S SO OVER BROS"
>>90686147As someone who has had multiple jobs, I don't like it when the suits act like you're gonna take all the stupid shit they come up with and expect you to show up forever anyway.
>>90685340more like it's more complicated and not down to a single issue that could be just fixed
>>90686297>I can't hold down a job because I'm special and the world revolves around me.Put the fries in the bag bro
>>90686297No wonder you had multiple jobs. Have you ever stopped to realize just because you feel like you are taking it up the ass that your coworkers like where they are at and happy with what they are doing?
>>90686463>>90686477If you only ever had one job in your entire lives you're the ones doing it wrong, fucktards.
>>90686297If people quit their job every time they had a woman moment like you do, humans would be back to living in caves within a year. If people destroyed their own lives in solidarity every time someone else in their company quit, society would disappear within a week.
>>90686539>I live my life one resume at a time.Damn that's crazy but I just want my food, dawg.
>>90685340>somehow this is nijisanji's faultholofags coping so hard after a full year of kurosanji lmao. kuro corp is just as bad LMAO
>>90686664>acquiring better salary and conditions is a woman momentok
>>90685340>Every single holo has come out to say the management is fineWho're the holos that have said that management is alright?
>>90685340t. manager
>>90686205There's also the fact that some managers are just going to be better at their job>Have you ever held a job before?Odds are that's a teenage or college-aged woman or "woman" so I doubt it.
>>90686147People like you are perfect hires kek. You can shit on them all you like and they stay quiet.
>>90686874>Going from a billion dollar corp that doesn't impose stream requirements or pay you 2% to indie 3view is a better salary and conditionsHey man can you give me a few ketchup packets too? Thanks.
>>90685340Lmao nice try shill
>>90687021billion dollar corps are billion dollar corps for a reasonmaybe you'll see why if you ever venture out of mommy's basement
>>90685340>Management is fine>Proceeds to complain about them for the rest of the year when the cover brand isn't on the line
>>90685340some girls are totally fine with the idol focus arrangement. possibly they even signed on with that in mind. they don't mind the company being more controlling of what they do and taking a bigger cut of what they earn. they see it as a trade off for convenience in not having to manage their finances, time and networking. other girls saw vtubing and more broadly streaming as a fundamentally different entertainment medium than the traditional ones of generations past which were dominated by record labels and media conglomerates. one with more creative freedom, less managment, and pressure. and so they're leaving. it's fine it's cool. different strokes. i feel bad for the jp talents because obviously they feel more pressure to stay in hololive because it's much harder to make it as an indie in japan, with a tiny shrinking market, than it is to make it as a part of a big group with brand recognition like hololive. so they might feel more financial pressure. they might be paying off homes or taking care of elderly parents and shit like that. idk
>>90687021nta but not having to sink thousands of dollars for every trip to japan for recording would be well worth dropping to indie 3view
>>90686297Whatever grievances you have may not be perceived the same way by your other coworkers. If nobody else finds it enough of an problem then your only recourse is to quit. Which is what Fauna did here.
>>90687140guess a retard like u don't know how to do your taxes correct
>>90685340Bae and some of the girls apparently had known for a while that Fauna was planning to leave.https://youtu.be/ZEQ5vrEbeUA?si=glf4aVWHS32ZZczn&t=57
>>90685913Based
>>90685340Aqua left. Ok that's fine. Ame left. Two? That's weird but ok. Fauna leaving? Yeah, something is going on.
>>90687140I've seen that going around but no one has really sourced that the talents are forced to foot the bill for mandatory things.Regardless, I'm totally ok with the nuance that someone might be not want to deal with travel while others might be fine. It doesn't the talents who are sticking around are evil for reassuring their fanbase that they personally are doing ok.I'm just being hyberbolic with that retard because he's hardline black/white about "if someone quits its because they're the good party, the company is always evil, and everyone else should quit in solidarity."
>>90687685>I've seen that going around but no one has really sourced that the talents are forced to foot the bill for mandatory things.Zeta isn't a source?
>>90687040Suisei's a Jew?
>>90687298>IRyS has no plans to graduate and is happy where they are>Pekora has no plans to graduate and is happy where they are>Bae has no plans to graduate and is happy where they areFauna was just as dedicated as all three of them are and was in it for the long haul. How did Cover screw her over so bad, that she saw no other choice but to leave?
>>90687650You forgot one person.
>>90687828Mel? She was a bad egg though, I thought?
>>90687776OutdatedYou missed the follow up from Ollie
>>90686080>>90687040Someone spill the schizo tea. Did my oshi Suisei actually do anything?
>>90687932the orca you fucking retard
I don't get what everyone is freaking out about. Fauna can have legit problems with management while the others can think it's fine. Though those coming out and trying to defend management looks worse for management than it does Fauna from my perspective. Fauna or any talent can fail to reach some form of agreement over something without it meaning management is bad. Rushing out there to give cover, pun uninstended, for the company seems sus.
I just wonder if the girls actually get sad when a coworker graduates. It's less competition and if they really are cool with them, they just see them outside of work. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if certain vtubers get better treatment from management than others... Who are you going to please Gura or Fauna... From a business standpoint it's obvious who
>>90688125Wow, I didn't know. I just came back after a while after seeing the Fauna announcement. Damn, I kind of liked Chloe too.
>>90688125She didn't say she had beef with management. It was more her goals changed and her health issues didn't mix well with a job based around speaking.Also La+ kind of hung her out to dry about being a sleepy bum who tried to do too much and burnt herself out. Source: https://youtu.be/0YpIWxEKxD8
>>90686892SuiseiPekoraMoriBaeFuwamoco KiaraWatameLaplusBibooCCRaora KroniiThat's just off the top of my head
>>90685340>Everything is fine.>The war has not breached the garden walls.>In fact, there is no war.>Everything is fine.
>>90688315>PekoraStopped reading there
>>90685340>multiple girls leaving>n-n-n-n-nn-n--nijibait!!!!111111
>>90688288>sleepy bum>doesn't showerI miss her already.
>>90688288You know she will be back as soon as she graduates right? You can't be this new man
>>90688288Ever since Chloe said she slept on a bed that didn't have a sheet she that bought right before her debut I knew where this was going
>>90688210yeah, i doubt it too. it's not like the graduated are dead so if they're good friends they can keep in touch with them. i think they just say they are to keep up the seiso idol image.
>>90685506Because you're schizophrenic. It seems pretty simple. Management wants something internal to change, and a few girls didn't agree so they decided to leave. Aqua and Fauna leaving in particular is odd since they opted not to affiliate.
>>90688136As you can see from their stocks plummeting this hurts the overall brand which will hurt them directly. They kinda have no choice but to defend in situation like these even though they regularly complain about them.
>>90688439>ESL I never said she was going to leave the internet and go live as a hermit somewhere. She just doesn't fit in the box of "I purely had beef with management so I'm out" like the other 3.
>>90688549Stop, you're making me go crazy! Imagine the smell. I will miss my stinky orca.
>>90688586Aqua went before they implemented affiliate with Ame
>the Asians are ganging up on the white girlUnsurprising. It was always going to end up this way.
>>90688288why would people with weak vocal chords join an idol group
>>90688825No way the didn't offer it to Aqua. They want to make money off the model.
>>90686147>>90686297As someone who directly provides jobs, shit happens for the most minor reasons and misunderstandings. No need to impute malice or arrogance, when so many people fail to communicate needs/changes, putting a discussion off until it's impossible to compromise.
>>90688904She's young and probably didn't know the workload or maybe didn't know she had a vocal issue. We're talking about someone who was like 20/21 when they got hired.
>>90688901I keep seeing this. Can you explain what happened?
>>90688998Do you speak a language your employees totally don't understand and require a translator every time you even want to say a single sentence to them, or vice versa?
>>90689121Fauna is white(?) and the JP members who aren't quitting in solidarity are evil nip dogs.
Boot. Licked
>>90689313Nips? Faunas? Noice.
>>90685340I don't give a shit, the fact that multiple girls in quick succession have graduated over disagreements with management is enough reason for me to hate management until the end of timeThis is unacceptable, full stop
>>90688315>Suisei>PekoraAlready the first two of these have a tendency to take potshots at management. Aqua even named Suisei the new commander of Hololive Resistance. When she did a Twitter Space over Aqua's graduation her fans were literally begging for her to stop and nuke it due to how far she went in shitting on management.
>>90689470Based management hater
>>90685340Cover and the other girls threw fauna under the bus huh
>>90685506Ame and Fauna are a part of the bottom 4 laziest ENs. I would not at all be surprised if the management disagreement was over "do more."
>>90689476Suisei can say whatever because she brings in the big bucks. Fauna didn't stand a chance.
>>90685340>PekoraConfirm bait
>>90687021>doesn't impose stream requirementsSee, this is where you fucked up. They have people getting sick from overwork.
If this was Niji, people would be up in arms, but now hesitant since its their fav Cover.
>>90689910niji bad holo good
Someone from Holo Live Devices asked during a hiring interview, “Is it okay that HOLO is hard work?” He was asked repeatedly.In other words, hololive now requires a hard workload and a sense of responsibility for the work from the performers.New hololive recruits come in convinced of this.Then employees and holomen begin to worry about how to position the newcomers with existing members who have a different work ethic.There will be three types of talent.1st.Members who are passionate about their work and responsibleMiko, Peco, Subaru, mori, Suisei ...2nd.Members who thought they could just stream comfortably in front of the computerThere are about 10 people who fall into this category?ThirdMembers who were asked by the management to be prepared for a hard workload during the recruitment interview.10 JP devices, maybe Justice tooAll the problems in 2024 appear to be the 2nd residual negotiation problem.If the negotiations, or rather the management has a vision to keep only the first and third, then maybe there is no compromise in the negotiations.I have a feeling that we will continue to see graduations from members that 4chan speculates fall under the second category.4chan may think, “That's a loss,” but there may be a will within the company to “change the organization to that type of organization,” even if it is a loss.Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
>>90687805I haven't seen IRyS' statement on the matter, when did she say that she has no plans to graduate?
>>90689910It sucks because if people were following this is pretty much a play by play what happened to Niji before they collapsed. Mayuzumi, Melissa etc, all quit cause "Change in company direction" who wanted more performance and idol stuff that didn't jive with a lot of them.
>everyone leaving the company blames management with the latest even saying she liked her job and wanted to stay but management sucked too much>fans get riled up and start questioning what management is doing to make them leave>suddenly all the talents still in start glazing management
>>90685340I don't know what people are expecting of this. I know I should stop being stupid because this is a containment board and expect rrats to be clinical-worthy, but it's beyond microwaved to think this shit was deep.Since almost nobody here has ever held a non-shift/wagie job where they didn't leave it in a bag of exploding fireworks, what likely happened is that the girls that left got unfavorable contracts, negotiated, those negotiations failed, so they're leaving. Fauna likes ASMR. Hell, that's the MAIN reason they hired her to begin with; she ran with big names that effectively set the map for the ASMR non-flesh producer audio sphere, and Cover wanted to get in on the very obviously popular niche of ASMR, specifically the 'X-but-also-yandere' whisper roleplays.The problem is ASMR has been roadblocked by many of the platforms for the most stupid of reasons, so it's not safe anymore. The talents can't say 'this is the reason why' because that kills the shareholders' bottom lines, but there's zero reason to believe it wouldn't be a problem for a streamer who was hired to produce that kind of content, and hasn't done so in a while. The other big one would be permissions, which is an obvious no-brainer. Japan's draconian and retarded laws that force that level of paperwork is why anyone with an audience really shouldn't join Cover or any corpo, especially if they're English-speaking; why would I want to beg to have the company keep a 7 Days to Die server up & running when I could just set it up in real time as an indie?Ultimately, whatever the talents who are enjoying being at Cover are saying shouldn't be fully trusted because their job is always going to be 'don't make waves for the company'; they work there, they don't want to become persona numero uno non-grata when they don't have to. The whole story is probably really mundane, but that doesn't suddenly mean there aren't problems with management or that Fauna has some menhera. I'd doubt the latter more than the former, but ass-kissing streamers and brown-nosing corporations as the dust is still being kicked up is fucking retarded.
>>90690448I don't think any of them were really sucking up to Cover. Pekora said that she just doesn't want her words being twisted to criticize them, and IIRC Suisei has been pretty vocally critical of them before, with Aqua calling her the "leader of the Hololive Resistance" and her own fans telling her to stop being so hard on them.
>>90685506they just said she left on good terms to calm saplings
>>90688315>SuiseiIf even she's defending Cover, then something must've seriously went down between Fauna and the execs at the top.
>>90689910You do remember that it took a while before people actually went against Niji publicly right? Niji being horrible was known for years but when did people finally start caring? When Selen happened.No one is going to burn their bridge to Holo when the public isn't on their side.
>>90690818>>90690679They paid Suisei with the Budokan live to run damage control for when Fauna leaves.
>>90687805Fauna does not speak japanese, has no plans to live in japan, and was hired to do ASMR and stream video games. Increasingly so, streaming video games almost feels like an afterthought in the increasingly idol-focused Hololive. Streaming oriented talents who leave may well have considered that an independent career is more suitable to their best interests. It is what it is.
>>90688998>>90689249You merely reinforce my point about poor communication.I prefer employees who are upfront about what they can do for the company and what they can't; likewise what they expect from the company --so that I can be as upfront with them.wrt Cover, it's not just that going public forces them to adopt structural (and thus contractual) changes in pursuit of ISO and stock-rating thumbs-up. It's their growth.You can't grow that big and still retain the personal considerations and leeway that Tanigo used to be counted on to extend. Yuujin-A is gone, and now you have fuckers who only just joined, with zero fucking prior experience in the vtubing world, telling talent that have been there for years how to vtube.
>>90688096she's pissed she got forced to be second fiddle to the mostly-awol shark girl at dodgers stadium, so now she's subtly pushing management to get rid of shark girl's best friends. soon her victory will be complete.
>>90691003also as indies, they might earn more even of they have lower ccv because they're not splitting with a managing company
>>90689910Niggersanji was exposed for how badly they handled Selen's termination. It would've been fine if they weren't being so extra with how much they really wanted to royally fuck her over, but they overstepped and Doki managed to spin it in such a way that the public was now fully behind her, and compelled the other abused talents to leave the company which further tainted their image even more.Holo has yet to fuck up in a major way comparable to that. They can weather the storm and get through this with somescrapes but they'll be fine.
>>90685967It was published one week ago in the jp channel.
>>90685899Kiara mengen and Bae stream said the contrary.
>>90691701I don't trust them. How do I know they aren't trying to save their own skin
>>90687805>>90691003>>90691561Fauna problem is that she doesn't want to leave alone her pets everytime she travels to Japan. Also her experience in Japan is always terrible because she her being a vegan.
>>90688439She isn't going to stream the same amount even if she returns. She is saving her voice for her new RM project.
>>90691568as if we havent seen how cover royally fucked up during rushia's situation. terrible response, management, improper press, everything terribly handled. this is the second reckoning for kuro corp and holofags are too deep in copium at the moment. they will come around and accept that kuro corp is blacked from the inside out the same way nijifags woke up and saw what kurosanji truly was
>>90691980You fandead can be the goddamned worst.Just HOW did Cover fuck that up?Ru-tyan was suspended, not terminated, for a contractual breach that merited termination, per explicit clause.She was advised to lay low, but what did your precious, pure little whore do? She dug herself deeper into breach by divulging holoshit to a dramatuber.As if menherest's subsequent yabs don't confirm that she was 100% to blame for everything.You'd be on firmer ground criticizing Cover hololive's mishandling of the sexual harassment vs. Meru, or its amateur-hour on the nobody-wins case of Mano Aloe, or its presently ongoing mutation towards soullessness, post IPO.Just fuck the fuck off, fandead fucking fuck.
>>90685340Why are you surprised? The game Cover is playing benefits them in the long run so they think "fuck anyone who disagrees with Cover". It's just like in real life: amongst people of the same community, if the system benefits only some of that community, eventually the ones that benefited will begin to hate the ones that didn't. They'll think the others are lazy, useless, or untalented because they couldn't make do with the opportunities the system provided them. They'll hate how the others are complaining about a corrupt system and how it needs to be changed, when in their minds they did everything right. Then eventually they'll start supporting changes that remove anything that could possibly help the others because they believe that the others don't deserve it since they didn't work hard enough. Besides if the others suffer that just means more for them. Reagan and Thatcher would be proud.
I love my Cover Corp© family :)
>>90691701Kiara literally said she didn’t know shit herself
>dumbass schizo still trying to slander Miko and Suisei
why you guy love this guy so much
>>90689476There's fighting with management and There's quitting over it. It's not the same thing
>>90695791>all the fanart of a corporate ceoHow do fans not feel embarrassed by this shit.
>>90693355>rut-tyanand youre calling me fanddead? cover was fucking retarded. im sure they know how much of a psycho rushia already is, her behavior would have made itself bare during meetings. the moment the disaseter happened (notification fiasco) they should've been ready to shut down everything until the wind blows over, but they were SLOW, and they allowed the retard that is rushia to run her mouth of to drama channels. there was no leash. there was no scorched earth. all there was a corporation who got so comfortable, that the very idea of one of their prime talents fucking up never even crossed their minds.
>>90694307>it's just like in real life: amongst people of the same community, if the system benefits only some of that communityIt's a like what? 60 to 1 disadvantage against FaunaShe's not even unified with the other 3 people who graduated this year lol Clearly "the issues with the system" are isolated entirely to her
>>90697658Phase-mongrels don't know the concept of shame. That is why the are into cuckoldry.
>>90685340mmhmmm
Fubuki...
>>90698887AIEEEEEEE
>>90698887>Fubuki glad she's done with work so she can be lazy for the rest of the day>JP schizos interpreting this as being shots at Chole >EN schizos interpreting this as being shots at Fauna Lmao, birds of a feather flock together I guess
>>90699244typical holodrone reply
nijinigs, vshojokeks and phasecucks have felt the smell of blood
>>90691827> she doesn't want to leave alone her pets everytime she travels to Japan.what a psycho
>>90686477>>90686297>>90686664>t. retards without any marketable skills so they're stuck working one job with a boss that fucks them overCompanies are supposed to provide for you, not the other way around. There is nothing wrong with leaving to get a better deal somewhere else
>>90700403>noooo, you have to destroy Hololive for me!>here’s how Vox can still win!
>>90691003I think this is probably the best answer, but it's still stupid. Why would Cover even want Fauna to be an idol idol? Her singing is shit. Unless they're abandoning gaming all together, they should still need people who mainly stream, right? Why not just let Fauna be a normal streamer, do a couple bigger events a year, and just hire new gens based off their singing and dancing skills, and we all live happily ever after?
>>90691003sure now explain Kaela
>>90685340I didnt fall for the management mandated support for management, no.
>>90691003Ok where is the "increasingly idol-oriented hololive" some schizos are talking about?We have less idol events than we did in the past.
Yeah I don't buy into hecking genuine management mandated statements from "Every single Holo".Mumei, Kronii and Guuba next! (within 6 months)
>>90685506>>90685601>>90686147>>90688586>>90690778Fauna got laid off, simple as fuck. There's no other explanation for it, she didn't want out, she didn't have any bad blood with anyone. Management's decision to cut her contract is something that she disagreed, hence "Disagreement with management".Why was she let go? Fuck knows, COVER's cashflow isn't as good as reported I guess?
>>90705142If she was fired, she would've just been terminated like Mel or Rushia.This is likely just a contract expiration.
>>90705193Contract termination only occurs mid-contract so not that but you're sort of correct, her contract was ending and he management just straight up refused to extend her contract.
>>90704983Ignore cover employees or call them out and move on. It's getting so bad they just hop to every thread and make a awkwardly worded pr statement every 5 minutes.
>>90703313>Companies are supposed to provide for youCompanies are a job - you have responsibilities towards your employer and your fellow coworkers, they're not your mom to provide for you.
>>90685340>Every single holonot fauna though
>>90687040>fucking sukkikiraare you gonna post your anti discord guides to spam next next?
>>90685506>her feelings are valid but i dont exactly agree>why are they throwing her under the bus???!?!?!?!?
>>90705008This isn't Nijisanji where managers put words in the chuuba's mouth. Holo's speak from the heart.
>>90691568So because Niji sucks at PR, Cover is good and is free of guilt?
>>90706173>you have responsibilities towards your employer and your fellow coworkersMy responsibility is my work. Their responsibility is to pay me for my work. That is all there is to it. Companies who why try to emphasize how much of a "family" they are or try to expand the relationship beyond work are simply trying to weasel you out of your money, simple as.
Reminder that Iroha literally lost her voice from stress, like some shojo manga heroine.
kurolive is finally showing their true colors...
>>90689527pretty much it, yeah
>>90685593>more like DEI bait. Does anyone have that page where it states something along the lines of "Dont blame the management" or something like thati got you brother
>>90685340>everyFake News
