>>90691195Left ofc
>>90691195Fauna. I was never under the delusion that Hololive was a good company.
>>90691195my honest answer
>>90691195both can be true.management can be fine, but not something fauna wants to deal with. Regardless, management definitely needs to change something before even more people jump ship.
>>90691195My oshi said she's happy and that no one is forcing her to do anything she doesn't want to so left
Should I trust the soulless corporation who is obsessed with profit?Or should I trust the obviously-sweet girl who dutifully and consistently followed through with streams displaying pure professionalism?
>>90691195Both. This case is similar to nijisanji's selen shock: EN management is revealed to be a shitfest, but JP management is fine and the reputation of the company as a whole will survive in Japan where it matters most.
>>90691195Fauna
The beautiful pretty green woman with the very sweet and soft feminine voice, she is who is right in this situation
>>90691195corporations are NEVER you friend.If you want to play the whole "Vtubers are just using you and not your friend" card, thats fine, but I don't know how you could convince me that corpo is not doubly so.
>>90691195In any other situation I'd believe in cover but 3 FUCKING GRADUATIONS with huge chances of more coming, So I believe in Fauna
Yagoo kind of sounds like a faggo you guys. Have you ever listened to him speak?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUhYPvYGepE
Hololive is my oshi.
>>90691543>obviously-sweetShe's not your friend sapling.
>>90691195Here it comes the nijisisters and bvtmfags to call everyone "bootlicker", their new signature for every post
>>90691195Fauna.I watched too many clips of Botan's doctors asking her if she worked for a black company because of her medical issues.
>>90691195I have not idly fantasized about a blue dorito giving me nursing handjobs so amazing that I couldn't stand up afterwards so right wins
Fauna. Next question.
>>90691195Both are true but it's faggotss like you that are making one side vs the other side
Before IPO: CoverAfter IPO: FaunaAlso disappointed with that "management is fine" crap. Now we know that's Japanese management behavior just like how Niji did it.
youd think youd start shitting on talent BEFORE they graduate
>>90691395this
>>90691195Every other holo said they are happy and that things change.
>>90691195Is it possible that management is not a monolith and can be bad and fine at the same time? Fauna definitely had a woman moment and burned her fucking bridges though, that's something.
What is it with Americans thinking multi-million dollar corporations are their friends?
Blue dorito good. Me piggy oink oink. Me eatty eatty sloppy. Oink oink.
>>90691469>both can be true>immediately skews it towards "management did no wrong"come on, anon dont be naive. youre not a bootlicker right?if both are true, its gonna be >management are fucked but fauna has her selfish issues
>>90692171you need to eat your meds selenfag
>>90691195I believe white women.
>>90691391tell that to the fanboys, hope they suicide en mass
>>90692085It's japanese who worship the corpos though
>>90691195American liberals are corpos cocksuckers now though.
>>90691195>liberal Lmao Fauna is a vegan chud. No liberal vegan in their """right""" mind would eat at Taco Bell.
>graduation happens>everyone piles on to trash the talent >rally around the corpoYou accuse nijis of doing this and yet look at you now
>>90691195I trust my wallet
>>90691195The funniest part is that saplings would be bootlicking cover if literally any other member left instead.
>>90691195Fauna because Aqua, Ame, and Chloe have all left in the last 6 months.
>>90691847Dude, I'm totally going to look this up now. A perfect way to end NNN.
>>90692809Based. Glad to see the narrative slowly changing. I was getting kicked for saying stuff like this months ago.
Unfortunately, Cover has become too corporate and management-heavy and Hololive is, as a result, suffering from the changes. In my opinion, Hololive found success in being a talent driven content machine that worked off feedback loops between the talents. Now that they're shifting strategies to more sponsorships, merchandise, and other profit-driven activities, some talents will be lost since that's not what they signed up for originally.
>>90691195I will trust hololive with all my will and power.
>>90691195>company who'se CEO has sacrificed everything from his health to his pay for it's success vs>a snake from the den of snakes in the former ASMR cliquewell gosh and golly gee I wonder who I'll pick
>>90691195Only sub-100 IQ blue collar workers trust corporations, and only simps trust women.I fall into both categories, so I'm torn between the two.
>>90691195holo interns on full damage control mode
>>90692809It's LITERALLY fine when Hololive does it
>>90691195Fauna. Even if she was the first person to graduate in this group of people I'd still probably side with her, because as much as I fucking hate how she ditched the content that made me care about her graduation is an incredibly big deal, and being that clear-cut about who was in the wrong tells me all I need to know. She could be abusing my trust in vtubers, but we're all already used to that anyways.
>>90691195The fuck are you sisters on about? HoloEN fans have always been behind the talents not the Corp. That's what separated us from Nijiniggers. I'm Ride or Die with my SNO girls. Graduations mean nothing to me.
It's becoming clear that EnReco was the season finale of Hololive.
>>90691395holy basedkys OP
>>90691195I don't trust vegans
>>90693993>HoloEN fans have always been behind the talents not the Corp. >That's what separated us from Nijiniggers.Y'know, the funny thing is that very mindset proves you're not a part of it. I'm not saying the nijis are good people, we know better than that by now, but up until earlier this year most of it was just rrats for like 5 or 6 people and actual scumbaggery from pretty much any name you can recall that has a penis attached to it, because male vtubers will be male vtubers.
>>90691195Literal nazi here. I'd trust the liberal vegan white woman over the Japanese corporation and the talents that are still beholden to it.
>>90692809Things unironically have changedIts cool to go indie now, its cool to treat managers like the source of all problems, and everyone knows it
>>90691646>corporations are NEVER you friend.Neither is fauna. She explicitly said she doesn't want to be your friend.
>>90691195Out of all the boards on 4chan, only on /vt/ would you see white being used as a legitimate insult.
>>90694343Hololive was my friend when Fauna wasn't. I trust Hololive
>>90691395Holy pickme
>>90694343So Fauna is honest but Yagoo isn't?
>>90694223not a part of what? IT what?
I don't trust anybody that says "management is fine" when they're talking about a locally-owned small business, why the fuck would I trust it about an international company producing virtual idols?
>>90691195Both of them are right in there own way. Cover offers her a contract, she says no and leaves to persue something else. It's literally that simple. Also she didn't say "management bad" she said she had disagreements with management. Just because you are twisting what Fauna said and what every other holomem is saying on the matter that doesn't make it true.
>>90691195Imagine being such a faggot that you'd trust a capitalist corpo.
>>90691195Fauna’s loss. She’s leaving the walled garden and will now pay for her actions.
>>9069119510 hours bootlicking asmr
>>90691395So I can finally be a school girl without turning into a tranny?
>>90691195i trust no onenot even myselfi trust sally with my life though
>>90691195Management is giving my oshi a bunch of cool stuff, why should I believe anything the bitch on the right says?
>>90694471That anon's not a part of the "love the talent, 'ate the corpo, simple as" crowd. I never once thought about niji talents prior to the black stream outside of what I've seen on the catalog, and my opinions on 80% of them would've been "literally who?" back then. But if you hate nijiniggers for being nijiniggers, that's just the other side of the coin of loving Hololive because they're Hololive. You shouldn't have an opinion on someone you don't watch unless they've done something shitty, basically.I just figured it was an easy jab to take and not some super serious reflection on my thoughts on that company of subhuman scum known as Kurosanji.
>>90694623kronk...
>>90691195LeftRight seems the tipical woketard liar
Still waiting for you anti-corpo retards to post your Fauna memerships, since you're clearly such big fans of her and aren't just disgruntled sisters pecking at Hololive's fresh wound like the cunty vultures that you are, just because you're still mad you didn't get in for obvious reasons and never will
>>90694854Fauna, Aqua, Chloe, and Ame*But surely nothing is wrong with management.
>>90694514>Fauna wants to stay at Hololive and keep generating revenue for Cover>Cover is like "nah fuck off, woman who earns money for us and wants to stay here">Cover Corp. stock tanks by 11%>*surprised pikachu face*There's no scenario where management aren't complete retards for failing to resolve their dispute with Fauna.
>anti corpo bad>u r woman if you complainI wonder who could be behind these posts?
>>90694854Cover can suck my dick.
>>90694854I love Fauna, but I also love Hololive and Cover as a whole. With that said, I will be parting ways here and not follow her to her RM. We had a good run and I'll cherish those moments.
>>90694935>didn't post Fauna, Aqua, Chloe or Ame membership>still couldn't help herself from mouthing offThanks for proving my point, sister. No wonder everyone rejected you
>>90691391>>90692529yeah, you tell'em, sisters.
>>90691195Don't care about en that just keeps complaining about everything.I only watch the duck and according to her morning streams, she has a good relationship with her manager and it's the reason she can stream video games two times a day everyday. God bless the subaru and her video game streams, it's the only bastion I have left in this hobby.
>>90691195thinly veiled /pol/shit. next thread
>>90691543>Professionalism>Sporadic schedule that has at best bursts of packed weeks but usually just 2-3 streams per week if not in puddle mode
>management badyou keep spinning this rrat, but what she said was that they didn't agree with each other not that they're bad>she's just not allowed to call them badmeds
Fauna is kinda lazy but I like what she does put out.
>>90695341Duck is Yagoo's favorite, so she gets preferential treatment. Not even Sora gets the same treatment as Duck.
FWMC said something interesting during their member stream>Many people have different feelings and experiences, but hololive is no different from what we expected, it's exactly what made us fall in love with hololive.Basically, they like the new direction that Hololive is taking. More focus on projects and events, with streams being just bonus content.
>>90694854>people post memberships like he demanded>immediately shuts upevery time
>>90695361It's even funnier because Fauna is as atheist vegan college girl with 99% certainty far leftwing
>>90695720>Trusting the girls trying to launch a rival idol companysabotage from the inside out
>>90695609Idk I find that hard to believe
>>90695518Fauna unironically never 100% recovered from being a puddle
>>90695829There's no way I can see Fauna supporting abortion. She's probably has some left leaning beliefs but is at her core center-right.
>>90695724Why would I argue with someone who put their money where their mouth is? Are you just looking for drama, sister? Those who post memerships can feel free to complain
>>90691395well maybe we want to be female here
>>90696097Yea that's your headcanon bro. Pretty sure she supports women having autonomy over their own bodies.
>>90696097>Pro-life is center-rightNever had i imagined i'd live in a world where wanting to save innocent human life would be used for political affiliation
>>90692595Where do you think the japanese got it from
>>90691195Probably Cover. Look Fauna, I totally understand you wanting to leave because all this idol work has taken you away from Eddy. That's a perfectly good reason to graduate. Nevertheless, you don't have to be so dramatic about it.
>>90691195she didn't like cover collabing with mcdonalds
>>90695829When did she say she was an atheist?
>>90691195>trusting a corporation>everIf it was just Fauna maybe I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, but it's not just her walking away.
Fubuki is making fun of Fauna too
A lot of womanchilds vs THE womanchild of EN... I don't know
>>90696210A baby isn't part of your own body.
>>90696423This seems plausible as well as the she doesn't want to travel
>>90691195don't really fully trust neither but talents can always throw the management under the bus knowing they won't retort unless it's a significant libel. That's management's primary purpose, to be the punching bag.
>>90691395>complaining about anything ever is female behaviorAre you retarded?
What about the other three talents that also quit saying the same thing?What about the fact that until four months ago there were only two graduations in Hololive's history and now there are six?
>>90696423>>90696677She's mentioned eating at Taco Bell numerous times, so I highly doubt that'd be a deal breaker for her.
>>90696486She doesn't believe in ghoulies, which is the same thing as being an atheist to most Asians.
>>90696828>taco bell>meatAnon, I...
>>90696921It's like how pagans thought Christians were atheist because they only believed in one God.
>>90691195It's not like this is a big deal to begin with, happens at every work place:>company has to change things>not everyone is ok with the change despite it being a good job overall>they leave and find another job>life goes onHappened at every job where i've ever worked at, how should vtubing company be any different from this?
Shiori talked about this in her last stream. As we all know, she doesn't care for idol business, makes the most unhinged content in HoloEN and is the last person who would bootlick, yet she said people are just doomposting and that management was fine, so I believe her.
>>90696968Same applies to McDonald's
>>90696533KEK
>>90697028sir, you're not supposed to make sense on /vt/
>>90697037Shiori is tougher and has an asian grind mindset.Her manager is also her friend, if not bitch, who knows who fauna got.
>>90691195My oshi's past experiences with management have me inclined to believe the green woman
>>90695334ironic, keep covering your ears like the sisters did KEK
>>90691195Anyone who trusts a publicly traded company is an idiot, they all operate according to the same principle of profit above all, it's a system made for mass production of washing machines and food not art or entertainment.
>>90697133She has the same manager as Ame though and these people used Ame the same way they're using Fauna right now, which makes it harder to take them seriously.
>>90691195I think for some, management doesn't suit them, for other's it's fine.
>>90691195My oshi.
not my oshi not my problem
>>90691195>well-established reputationThe "yagoo is best girl" memes have rotted you guys' brains so much!
>>90697269>She has the same manager as AmeWHAT THE FUCK?!
>>90697037I don't believe in shiori. All the asian EN girls are too used to this sort of corporate abuse
>>90697037By the stories she tells about her past, it seems to me Shiori has gone through enough bullshit in life to make whatever management is asking them to do look like a mild annoyance. Fauna always struck me as a sheltered princess type that never really went through any hardship in life so what management was doing must have seemed like slavery to her.
>>90697028>Conveniently ignores the entire drama of multiple song projects being fumbled by management>Or Ina literally being unable to stream because of management>Or Gura being hazed by management>Or Kronii nearly losing her entire MAFIA because of management>Or the 3 other recent graduates all blaming management
>>90693993>SNO >Excluding the best oneEnjoy your no streams faggot
>trusting vegans everonly yourself to blame
>>90697564But only one of them concerns to Fauna. It's like bringing the Homo to the discussion. Totally futile.
>>90691195No one
>>90697028So when was that duet announced again?
>>90691195Hololive is good, everyone else is bad. It's a simple way of thinking, but it's never steered me wrong so far.
>>90691195>OP is a retard with 0 understanding of how public companies operate vs privately owned
>>90697661Not even yourself?
>>90697133>Asian grind mindsetThe fuck happened with Kronii then? She's bitched about her management plenty of times in the past. Is it a Canadian thing or a Korean thing?
>>90697564Chud typed all of that forgetting that in the end its still a far easier job than 99% of the jobs out there and the compensation is also way better. All these woman moment setbacks amount to fucking nothing for what they're paid for. You wanna know why the vast majority of the talents are okay with this? Because they know they have it far better than anywhere else.
>>90697935>it's a far easier jobNobody is debating that, but Cover is not some company hiring aliens to do construction work. There's a thing called standards.
>>90696533Lmao
>>90691195Left if it was the first time.It isn't so right is true.Hololive will come to obscurity in our life time.
>>90697927Uh... I'll just forward the rrat that asians get depressed in Canada due to less daylight hours
>Trusting VegansYOU FOOL! VEGANS ARE NOT HUMANS!
>>90697564>Or the 3 other recent graduates all blaming managementAme and Aqua. who's the 3rd one?also >blaming is a very strong word. people can't possibly disagree, one of the must be evil, amirite?
>>90698143Chloe
>>90697935Sorry for your warehouse job but most people working some desk or counter job really do have it easier.Streaming is like the peak of the iceberg of what these girls are doing, well usually unless you do 3-4 recordings a year like Fauna
>>90692809it feels good to see arrogant holofags get exactly what the were making fun of earlier this year. they were getting too comfortable corpo licking
>>90698143Out of the three who are dissatisfied with management only Ame did it right, strike out on her own without restrictions but leave the door open. Fauna is burning bridges for no reason and Gura just coasts and burns through all her fanbase's goodwill
>>90695486They're bad because they left no option for her other than to walk, rather than reconcile any differences they had.If management caused Fauna to leave her dream job then management is bad. Period. They should have done what they could to keep girls like her and Aqua but just didn't for some reason.
>>90698110I'm thinking it must be an economic or generational thing. Farther you get from the original generation that migrated to the country and the better off economically each generation gets, the more likely the future generations assimilate to the culture of the country they are in. So Kronii is essentially a white Canadian woman inside of a Korean woman's body, which would make her behavior make more sense.
>>90698118GRANPA, NO! DON'T KILL THE VEGANS!
>>90696828>>90697066Taco Bell is very popular with vegans due to how many non-animal entres they have. Basically everything you can get on their menu can have the meats replaced with seasoned potatoes and veggies for minimal cost.
>>90698239Those said examples pay peanuts and are filled by warm bodies. If you've worked in any conglomerate or corporation before you'll know disputes with management are commonplace. If that's genuinely the biggest concerns they can muster then it's pretty obvious they have a good deal going, it's just whether they realize it or not. The ones with any sort of actual experience working know this, some of the others do not.
>>90691195Fauna, obviously.
>>90697564Every single point you brought up requires specifics with facts behind them.
>>90696533Based.
>>90697935It's so easy they all do it, right? Even the indies!
>>90698289Calm down NBinted
>>90696533Saplings don’t look!
>>90696533Basado
>>90698184Chloe didn't leave because of management. if you're gonna talk shit, get your facts right at least>>90698295>the three again, who the fuck is the 3rd one?
>>90697473>Fauna always struck me as a sheltered princess typeShe has the privilege of being a vegan so this is probably true
>>90696533AURA
>>90691195In this case the liberal white woman is actually right.Also Cover has a well established track record of being garbage when it comes to delivering content. Nothing they produce these days is worth watching. Only the individual talents are able to provide entertainment.So yeah I dont need to trust anyone I can see for myself the fruits they produce.
>>90696533She's making fun of Chloe not Fauna. Also KWAB.
>>90698480>the company has to do everything the talent wants or company bad>the talent isn't responsible for anything the company wants, because company badNTA, but life is all about compromises. A company won't play favorites just because you think you're specialYou clearly have been living in la-la land if this is how you think a workplace is supposed to functionIf it really was her dream job, then she should have fought for it, even if it meant disagreeing with management, but its easier to just give up and have ignorant people on twitter call the company bad
>>90700238Why would she do that? I thought Fubuki was a nice person?
>>90691195>many of its talents saying "management fine"Multiple talents have been saying things have been changing behind the scenes for months now, but somehow it's a surprise to people whenever something actually comes of it.
>>90696533Is Hololive becoming Nijisanji?
>>90699955Any chick who openly says that she wants to be treated like a princess is a giant red flag. It just screams "I make mountains out of molehills and I will abandon you for greener pastures at the first sign of trouble"
>>90700347Anyone who says "you can trust me" absolutely cannot be trusted
>>906911951 is an occurrence, 2 is bad timing, 3 is a pattern, 4 is an alarm. It's not just fauna, it's 4 in the span of 3 months, and quite frankly anyone could go next. The only people who are basically confirmed to not leave at this point are Bae mori fwmc biboo. That's it, everyone else in EN is a potential to just be gone. Imagine if tomorrow that boom, en only has 5 talents. That's the kind of worry that people are at now.
>>90697935See you at the next graduation bro
>>90696815Multiple holo talents already stated the reason.Company is moving to a more IP focused company now instead of streaming.Streamers like Aqua, Ame and Fauna don't like that.Now pair it with incompetent managers (Fauna) They decide to leave.Most talents are fine with the direction Cover is heading. They also love their managers. Its sad but in the end, things change, people move on to other things.
>>90691847>>90693628Reminder that Fauna's breastmilk would be delicious because she doesn't eat any meat and also she eats a lot of natural sugars
>>90700251you sound like a nijisister defending a black company
Wow, look at that. /vt/ is throwing the talent under the bus to defend the corporation, again. I guess it's ok when hololive does it, as per usual
>>90700818>attacks Hololive>calls others Nijisisterslollmao even
>>90691195retarded scrawny conservatives always quick with their labels lmao
>>90700870the irony of this postmake no mistake, both of you are retarded
>>90700867Sorry, but siding with the corpo and blaming the talent is something that makes you sound like a bootlicker.
>>90700867>Talents dipping left and right>Nijisis am I right? Don't see nothing wrong in the walled gardenI lost mine, am hoping your oshi is next
You guys are being really racist against whites right now, and honestly, this feels like it's white genocide.
>>90700251There's no way to professionally win against a bad manager that you have no power over.If you try to fight them, they'll just punish you.If you just go along with what they say, they'll continue to treat you bad because they know they can get away with it.
>>90701082>attacks Hololive>Nijisis am I right?yes>am hoping your oshi is nextnah man, my oshi actually streams lol
>>90691195The last time I fanboyed over a company was CDPR before Cyberpunk 2077 release. So Fauna.
>>90691195All of these discussions are just people spitting out their own headcanons and stroking their own ego. There's nothing of value to be had in guessing what's happening behind the scenes.
>>90691395tpbp
>>90691195My oshi
>>90691195Neither.
>>90692809> only talent to shit on the corpo on the way to leaving> feeds the doomposts and doesn't explain what happened> other girls have to shovel the shit she dropped on their lawnonly natural
>>90700490>source: trust me bro
>>90701319>treat you badYou people are deranged. Where the hell do you get the idea that management is treating these girls badly? Can't they just have a civil disagreement and amicably go their own way? No, everyone has to be fucking evil. Fucking hell.
>>90691195I choose the group on the right, which you convenient decided shouldn't include all of the women who said management bad - a number that exceeds the 5~ that have said management good.Corpo apologists get the rope.
>>90691543>obviously-sweet girlYou mean the lying whore that grifts off lonely men while being plapped daily?
>>90701488>Can't they just have a civil disagreement and amicably go their own way?that goes against their narrative, so no
>>90696097>There's no way I can see Fauna supporting abortion.Women define morality (ergo 'good policy') solely as what benefits them personally, no matter how bad it is for the rest of the world.Exemply gratia: the 'tampon tax'. The tax for tampons was probably 1$ per box at most, but costs the government in revenue millions of dollars.
>>90701488If it was just a "civil disagreement", Fauna would have gone the Affiliate route, instead of full-on graduating and severing all ties with Cover Corp.
>>90701568>but costs*But with it gone costs
>>90691195>well-established reputationCover is a cabal of money-grubbing psychopaths that have literally driven their talents to suicide attempts, shillcuck.
>JP senpais say managment is fine and they aren't overworked at all, genmates say management is alright and they happy to stay in hololive>one lazy menhera says managemen le bad thats why she didn't stream or did her idol repsHm, I wonder whom should I listen to?
>>90691195Admittedly, I've been biased against management since the T**wan incident, but hearing the EN girls talk about them over the years makes me seethe. A good talent manager should handle all of the planning and busy work so that the talent only ever has to do talent things. The fact they make ENs attend meetings in Japanese at 3am is the most insane thing I've ever heard. Management are supposed to be your bitch. If Fauna wants only purple M&Ms, get the girl the candy you morons.
>>90701488What part of "management has forced my hand" is amicable?These aren't small time streamers that are graduating man, all 4 were incredibly successful for themselves and the company. Why was the nuclear option the only way? it makes no sense to me.
>>90691195I side with whichever side doesn't use the phrase "avoid speculation" which only ever comes from people who don't want to be criticized.Frankly if I hadn't picked a side before Bae threw Fauna under the bus just now, I would have been tossed off the fence in a hurry. What a conniving bitch to imply all change is good because it's growth in the way she did. Powerful Anycolor energies from this bitch.I would lump the other corpo backstabbers like Pekora, Miko, Matsuri or Noel in here but in their case I can't be sure the corpo apologists aren't using what they said out of context. In Bae's case her words are bare in a language I can understand.
>>90701641>driven their talents to suicide attempts, shillcuck.Oh no, you forgot the part where we blame Nijisanji for that.
>1 in 4 idols (26.9% specifically) is sexually abused. Yes, statistically that's at least 1 girl in each gen.>12 hour workdays with no weekends>constantly interrupted sleep for pointless 3-hour meetings in the middle of the night>forced to pay out of their own pocket for nonreimbursed travel expenses/dance lessons/equipment/recording sessions>recieve no cut of merch and only 35% of superchats>by-the-numbers corporate censorship stifles any and all creative license>Not even allowed to interact with their own fans honestly (see Mori being forced to censor her video where she asked not to be shipped with Stars)>Regularly forced to perform when sick (Mori and Mumei both have permanent lung damage because of this)>nothing whatsoever given back besides an algorithm-boostI'd trust a cyborg-reanimation of Hitler's corpse before I trusted left.
>>90691195Fauna flat-out said we are not her friends, while Cover has not said anything in regard to that.I think you know what my choice is...
>>90691395Holy mother of based
>>90701731>avoid speculationThis is the reddit hugbox favorite phrase. God I loathe that place
>>90701796>sexually abused>meaning: a guy looked at her for too long
>>90701686It's not one member, 4 members either left or announced graduation in the span of 3 months.
>>90701796>I'd trust a cyborg-reanimation of Hitler's corpse before I trusted left.We trust Hitler on 4chan, faggot.
>>90701838Agreed, at least Fauna is speaking the truth.
>>90697564why do you think lying on the holoboard is a good idea?
>>90701731Not as schizo as you, but Bae's statement was pretty dumb. Sure, maybe this "growth" is good for the company and your chequing account, but it obviously isn't good for the fans.
>>90691195>no one was defending Cover yesterday>shareholders wake up, realize that no one bought their narrative and everyone is rightly roasting them>suddenly wumao-shills with shitty-low-res meme images are crawling out of the woodwork a day laterThese couldn't possibly be purchased trolls from a sweatshop in China, surely.
I'd trust fauna over the company anyday companies are not your friend they should not be your friend they cannot be your friend they are a souless enity who's sole existence is to make money from their employees hardwork hololive would not exist without their talants but they think nothing of stabbing their employes in their back like most corpos once they become arrogant enough to believe they no longer need them
>>90701838honest to God hope you don't believe that a profit-driven corporation would ever be your "friend"
>>90697133> asian grind mindset.lol so the whole "Murican exceptionalism" shit is dead in the water then?
>>90701968>hey corporguys, 'the people' say they're not our friends>okay, let's treat them like shit thenNice job.
>>90701854Meaning: Being instructed to pose nude or otherwise perform sexually with nothing of the sort being described in their contract. They were pretty detailed with their wording.
>>90701950You faggots were celebrating stocks just a couple weeks ago
>>90701950I'm not schizo, I just don't like two-faces. I watched both Fauna and Bae about equally before this event and I've given neither any of my money.It's clear Bae approves of the change within the company and that her side "won" internally, but instead of recuse herself she did a victory lap because she's too emotionally immature to be magnanimous.
>>90702008Proof.
>>90702036But my happy Hololive family... my vibe check... were those all lies?
>>90702070ALWAYS WERE. Doesn't matter the company.
It is such a fun time watching holofags split into two sides, fighting each other
>>90702001And then there is no income, great idea
>>90701568>costs the government in revenueNo such thing. Now if you had mentioned "free" menstrual products, which most women do support, that would have been a great example.
>>90702095shh sister, the adults are speaking.
TOTALVTUMORDEATH
>>90702134Where?
>>90701796>Yes, statistically that's at least 1 girl in each gen.Myth: MoriCouncil: BaeAdvent: NerissaJustice: ... Gigi?
>>90701860Fun fact: 2 of the graduated talents have never worked as hard as Bae or Mori (can't say anything about JP), so their word worth nothing
>>90702186Prove it.
>>90691789Bootlicker.slurp slurp slurp
>>90702183Nerissa and Bae absolutely offer director's privilege. Myth was probably Gura. I don't know Justice enough to guess.
>>90702134>adultLooks like a bunch of fags hesitating between choosing Fagoo or the member who left
>>90691395Bat mogs so many chuubas, she's too powerful
>>90701698lol, talents are dime a dozen when you're cover. They have thousands of willing girls that would be glad to take fauna's spot. In fact, asking them to phone into a 3am meeting is likely deliberate power move, a show of dominance saying if you don't like it, get out. None of this shit will matter next year when they introduce new gens and short-term memory retards will flock to them like shiny new toys.
>everything is totally fine at cover guys>it's just 5 major talents having women moments at the same time>do not look at the man behind the curtain
>>90702001And how is that working out for movies and videogames?Ubisoft stonks STRONK STONKS THEY GO TO THE MOONretard.
>>90701488It's a fact that she didn't accept affiliate status. Sure Chloe accepted it but we know about the difference in treatment between JP and EN members.
>>90702327You assuming those are the same groups of people makes what you're saying impossible to engage withj because it's just logical fallacy all the way down.If you want that dopamine hit of catching people in gotchas or, god forbid, admitting they're wrong, you have to at least appear to /start/ in good faith and then pull the rug once they're on it.Good luck, corpo bootlicker.
>>90701921>>90701970>A Cruise ship that houses various opportunities and resources for you to revel in >vs a single person on a rowboat you take refuge with that tells you "I don't like you"
>>90701573You are actually fucking retarded. Are you saying every vtuber that has ever graduated from any company, has been abused by management and hates the company? >Fauna would have gone the Affiliate routeMaybe she just doesn't want to be an affiliate, have you considered that? Of course not, you know what she wants better than she does, because muh corpo bad!>>90701723>all 43. Chloe didn't leave because of management.>What part of "management has forced my hand" is amicable?Good lord and now you think your delusion actually happened? Like I said before, you people are deranged.Since you clearly never watched her, have some decency and at least watch the announcement vod before you vomit any more nonsense onto others.
>>90702404that cruise ship has faulty plumbing and is filled with shit
>>90702463>3. Chloe didn't leave because of management.Yes, she ABSOLUTELY DID, you goofy-ass EOP. Shut the fuck up if you can't even make your apologism believable.
>>90702394tell me which part of my post is defending or licking cover's boot esltard. Laying down the obvious is now corporate bootlicking?
>>907020402017 study by The Japan Times entitled '26.9% of aspiring models, idols have been asked to perform sex acts for the camera: survey'I'd link to it but the faggot jannies consider it off-topic because it's not a clipshit advertisement so you're gonna need to google it yourself.
>>90691816>overwork the girls >produce fuck-all content for it Very economic
>>90691195WHO WOULD YOU TRUST?>A public company gargling the balls of Venture Capitalor >A woman who got tired of gargling the balls of her manager
>>90702385>she didn't accept affiliate status>treatment between JP and EN membersneither did Aquaits almost like not everyone wants the same thing
>>90702554>consider it off-topicBecause it is. How is that relevant to the discussion in any way?
>>90691195>cuz they are literally sisters who worship a different corpoI'm not going to be that person so right is.
>>90691195Honestly after Bae and Shiori's comments i will believe that anybody who doesn't want to move to Japan is on borrowed time. Idol activities starts a timer and not being in Japan just shortens it. Bae seemed really pissy and i feel like she has stockholm syndrome or something because she was saved and given a place to stay by Cover. I really really like Bae's dancing but at the end of the day the one i like to watch more is Fauna because she is more interesting and funny. To each their own but we will see how good "growth" will be when they start growing all over what she likes to do.
>>90702669Only because you disagree with it, presumably. Otherwise it's entirely relevant. The conversation you retards are having is on corporate idol culture. It applies.
>>90702588No shit retard, the idea of affiliates happened after Aqua's departure, likely because they realized that losing the potential merchandise of a big name would be a huge loss.
>>90702588There's literally no reason to not take the affiliate status, even if she never intends on doing anything with Cover ever again, other than denying Cover revenue from her IP. And even then she's shooting herself in the foot with her own lost residual revenue. She has to be very angry with Cover to go this route.
>>90702463>Are you saying every vtuber that has ever graduated from any company, has been abused by management and hates the company?Of course not, why are you assuming so? Many vtubers have graduated simply because they do not want to stream anymore and walk a different path in life.Except here we have Fauna saying she doesn't want to actually leave, but is leaving because of management.>Maybe she just doesn't want to be an affiliate, have you considered that?Have you considered WHY she wouldn't want to be an affiliate? "Just cuz' lol" isn't a valid reason.
>>90701319You forget most of the talent are reformed hikis and have no experience fighting corporate managerial incompetence/autism.I bet you it was just something stupid like "you can't make kissy sounds during ASMR" and she got so butthurt she took her ball and went home.
>>90702203Their output speaks for itself. It isn't some hidden secret fucking newfag
>>90691395Based bat
>>90702707Holos are not "aspiring models, idols", (unless you mean some PLs), and Hololive is not an idol company. So no, it's not relevant in the slightest.
>>90702463You take boot licking to an entirely different level. I hope cover is paying you well or Yagoo cock is NTR ugly bastard level good
>>90702715>yet another assumption>trust me brook lol
>>90702715Funny you think they wouldn't have floated this idea past Aqua when her IP's worth far more than Ame. Are you really stupid enough to believe they only came up with that shit in the 1 month between their departures?
>>90691195>a companyStopped reading there. You're an imbecile if you think any corporation is anything but a psychopathic cabal of money-vampires that see you as a disposable meal ticket.
>>90702962I mean by that logic they should have had this idea a long time ago. It had to originate at some point lol
>>9070255490% (probably more) of aspiring models and idols also don't become models and idols. So 4 girls per gen didn't actually get into Hololive, it's all a dream. See how your logic is retarded?
>>90702962I'm saying that they -didn't- think of that idea before Aqua left. Management aren't the brightest tools in the shed.
>herWhy would anyone believe giant public corpos? People acting like sisters.
>>90702997This but unironically
>>90703067Why did you believe it about Mel?
>>90703133Hey could you tell me where you learned how to read minds? I've always wanted to learn.
>>90702669>talking about idols is unrelated to idolsNot sure if ESL, retarded, shill, or some combination of the three.
>>90702105It's literally a Value-added Tax. Getting rid of it costs them in REVENUE.
>>90703067Obsessed fans are the same no matter what corpo the worship. It's downright retarded to think one fanbase is better than the other because "we're the good guys and they're the bad guys". You had bootlickers defending Kizuna Ai's voice change and Chinafication way back when as well.
>>90691395This is is one of the Shonso group
>>90703067>>90703217Women are retarded though so why would you trust a female over a male (corporation)?
>>90703217In what numbers?This argument doesn't work because it assumes all sides being spoken of were equal and measured.Retarded.
>>90703189They are not idols. At the very least not the type that study focused on. Therefore it is irrelevant and you are retarded.
>>90703217It's a little scary to think the anons that celebrated debuts, events, concerts alongside me could now be sucking off YAGOO in the back alley...
>>90703275Corporations have genders now. Damn this woke shit gotta stop
>>90703332You move those goalposts, gurlfran.
>>90694343Fagoo-sama is not your friend too anon
>>90703364Nope, it's just you being retarded.
>>90703275Yeah you go chud! Wash that Lord Yagoo dick on every turn! Woohoo!
>>90703275males are a waste of dna and they proven it time and again specially you with your retarded generalization of women see it goes both ways your mother should have shallowed
>>90703294What do you mean "In what numbers"?You asked "why would anyone believe giant public corpos?" and I gave you your answer.Don't get grumpy and huff n' puff when you see anons "acting like sisters".
>>90703179It's you, not (You). Don't remember much outrage here, and Mel's situation was much more of a disgrace.
>>90703546I'm not the person you were talking to and I don't care if it was royal or not, the point stands about the assumption you're making.
>>90703217>It's downright retarded to think one fanbase is better than the other because "we're the good guys and they're the bad guys".That's literally how Holofags have been thinking of Nijifags even up to now.
>>90703332>not 'the right' kind of idolsIf anything, the rate of sexual abuse for online idols is going to be worse because they have every reason to believe they can get away with it.If Kronii showed up to stream with ripped clothes and a black eye, it's not like we'd ever know.
>>90697927Definitely Canadian. Somehow Koreans are worse about hierarchy than the fucking Japanese.>>90702575>A womanIf she's not trad, she's bad. Fauna's "woke", so /vt/ will continue to deepthroat corpo cock.
>>90703470If it were left to women, we'd still be living in caves.
>>90693841This post seems far to brilliant for a sub-100 IQ simp drone.
The difference in statements from Biboo/Bae is night and day. How the fuck does the kouhai treat everything with much more nuance and respect that her fucking genmate.
>>90697927Kronii is one of the few holos that's not an anxiety-case that crumples at the first sign of conflict.So... my money's on her for the next graduation.
>>90703812Bae was reading a script. Possibly verbatim. Biboo probably just had a couple bulletpoints of things to avoid saying.
>>90703587It's not an assumption, but a fact. There was very little condemnation of Cover for fucking Mel over. And any attempt of it was brushed over as "nijisis deflection". Check the archive if you're such a newfag. Took 4 graduations for the coin to drop.
>>90703820Kronii or Mumei is my next bet. Next years biggest Hologradu will be Gura for sure. (all the signs have been in the air for 6 months already)
>>90703677Who's even going to abuse them, EN in particular? Their management is half the world away.
>>90703860You're giving them to much credit, it's always pretty fucking obvious when they are reading a script. Even when they try to "act".
>>90703670Because it's true. Even during this crisis the scales are clearly tipped in one direction. And I've spent the last two days shitting all over the girls stabbing Fauna in the back over this. It's night and day which company has had worse behavior. It's not even kind of close.Your Niji apologism supports this.
>>90694854>only 2 membership posts in the entire thread>only one of them was like corpo bad>thread is somehow full of Fauna "supporters" going trust me brosomething tells me you corpo bad retards never actually cared about Fauna until she could be used as a tool to spin your rrat
>>90691195Biboo
>>90694126Given her gimmick being a tree girl it fits her being a vegan
>>90703812>with much more nuanceShe literally said the same thing but with much less nuance.
>>90695917Of course cuz you are literally sisters who worship a different corpo
>>90702330And you know which "rightwing, anti-woke" vtubers are fake grifters when they dont talk about this.
>>90691195Its not mutually exclusive, both parties can be at fault to some degree
There are too many honorary women in this thread
>>90704666Noone in Hololive is "rightwing, anti-woke".
>>90704770*on this boardDeath to CGBTrannies.
>>90691395spbp
>>90694455pickme is also a female insult
Look at my cute shork wife.
The true face of saplings rears its ugly head on this day. Only because she is an entitled bitch and the odd one in this entire debacle. Something they don't seem to realize
>>90705821She isn't the odd one though, sister. You actually have to refer to real events to form an argument.
>>90703035It's actually Gura's deal, just that they don't have to announce it because Gura doesn't want to actually stream anymore.
>>90691395I pick this one
>>90692197>>management are fucked but fauna has her selfish issuesYes??? You're kidding me right, that's literally what the problem was here.
>>90704239I just realized that Bae is probably upset because she will be one to turn off the lights.
>>90706185Fauna bad, corpo bad, indies/vs/pc worse, niji worst
>>90706333You should just stop watching vtubers
>>90706418We have what we have
