Imagine NotFauna collabing with griftfags Filian, Bao and Shondo. I would end it on the spot.

How are we holding up friends?
Feeling slightly easier after some time passed and we got a lil stream?

Did you eat something today?

I was fairly okay with Fauna graduating but seeing the way people are now hating on her, seeing the fallout of disagreeing with management, knowing she won't be in Hololive interacting with the others makes me feel bad

thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnyBfxavk8

>>90702685
Man it's gonna be hard giving up these songs

>>90702666
>SEA hours
why did you expect?

>>90702666
>the way people are now hating on her
I hope youre not falling for the usual band of schizos and antis

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As a sapling, I am somewhat indifferent to her graduating, under the assumption that she is gonna remain a vtuber.
1) She has clearly been out of it for a while, I warned people here multiple times and kept getting called a shill or a doomer because of it.
2) Like I also said many times, whatever happened in Japan broke her. I think the work culture over there and the awkwardness with Japan and rough schedule must have been a big "This sucks" moment for her. She basically didn't do any collabs with HoloJP from that moment forward. I bitched about that many times here. A lot of people said that they don't care because they only want to watch Fauna English chat content anyways. I think those people are gonna get exactly what they want so I don't know why they would be sad with the graduation. Likewise, since she already didn't do any JP collabs to begin with, it's not like I'm losing out on anything by her leaving.

Main problem is gonna be no more Faumei collabs. I liked their dynamic. But it's no big deal. As for Gura Fauna, I think those collabs will happen soon enough even after Fauna is gone, if you catch my drift.

Main unknown is what the new design will look like. I hope it's not a loli or ugly.

I haven't read the threads about what happened yet, but I imagine there's been some people worried or shitposting about Fauna collabing with males. I sincerely have 0 worry about that happening. No indication of this happening whatsoever.

Lastly, on an off-topic point, me seeing this coming is why I spent a long time posting on /xhlgg/. There's an obvious shift coming and I want to support all ex-holos from now on. There's no reason to feel lonely or depressed about Fauna leaving unless she is genuinely gonna quit being a vtuber. Aqua and Dooby were the initial gunshot and we all should have known by then. This isn't /corpo/, it's /vt/, we're here to support the girls we like.

Sorry about the blogpost, I just learned about her leaving now. Wanted to decompress with my /uuu/ friends a bit.

>>90704274
"whatever happened in Japan" was literally years ago
you have confirmation bias

>>90702641
>How are we holding up friends?
Finally got some sleep. Rewatching the stream since I was pretty out of it while it was live.
Felt a lot better the moment the Skyrim frame dropped, but still pretty broken up about it all. Really not how I wanted things to go

Going to watch the other members talking about it from yesterday after the stream. Probably won't be easy but I have to do it.

Why fauna attacked management. If she was not happy she could had gone the Chloe or Ame route and leave amicably and take the graduation route like Aqua.

Everyone in holo followed her RM so why the need to be hostile. Honestly I am a tourist, I only watch fauna karaokes but that graduation announcement didn’t sounded like the fauna I use to enjoy.

>>90704335
management must have done something wrong

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>>90704307
It was a little over a year ago and she stopped making HoloJP collabs immediately after. She also talked about how draining it was for her at the time.
She loved Japan itself but that trip made her hate Hololive the corporation. This has been my headcanon for a long time now and I feel like the graduation is confirming it.

>>90704390
>It was a little over a year ago
It was two years ago. They were there at the end of 2022. So much has happened since then, you haven't been paying enough attention

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I made it to my lecture today and managed to last the entire duration, but had to leave uni after due to everything welling up again, even though I was supposed to meet with my study group later today

I think I feel slightly better than I did yesterday, but it still feels like someone just sucker punched me in the gut every time I remember the situation.

I know this sounds selfish, but I honestly wish we only got a 2 weeks notice, having a month long, grueling bandaid rip-off session just hurts too much

Sorry for rambling

>>90704378
But what did she won by bringing that level of toxicity into the fandom. Now she looks like a lier after everyone else confirmed to be happy.

Aqua, Chloe and Ame blamed management in a profesional manner.

>>90704494
Ok, but you can't deny she never had HoloJP collabs since then. That one time she said she was a granny because of timezone differences where she said she was a granny and such and she never had the collabs ever again. We talked about it extensively at the time.

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>>90702641
Comes and goes. Sometimes I feel okay, other times I just feel numb. But the stream did help tip the balance more towards feeling okay more often. Hopefully the stream today keeps that up. Either way, I start work up again today so I can't just be lying around feeling sorry for myself even if I wanted to. Hope things are going well with you too sapling.

>>90704548
She never did HoloJP collabs period. Why would she? She doesn't speak Japanese

>>90704519
>Chloe and Ame blamed management in a profesional manner.
You mean they lied? Lmao

>>90704592
She did a lot of HoloJP collabs before that point. Multiple collabs with Watame, all the big collabs filled with people from both sides.

2022 Fauna would have absolutely done GTARP, for example. Come on, don't gaslight me like this.

>>90704274
>I spent a long time posting on /xhlgg/.
Could you start your blog with this next time, so we know it's not worth reading the rest. Thanks.
Seriously nothing good will come from bringing any of that shit here. So if you care at all, don't.

Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but all this "oh it's because of this one thing" is dumb. It is clearly a multifaceted situation, that has built up over time. That doesn't have an easy answer or solution to

>>90704644
>She did a lot of HoloJP collabs before that point
No she didn't
She would occasionally show up for JP collabs before and after going to Japan but eventually she stopped because of the timezone thing
You should draw conclusions based on complete information, everything you believe you've just made up

>>90704630
Fauna seems like a lier now.

>>90704507
I get why you feel that way but I think the more time we get, the more streams, and memories the better for the long run. Even if it hurts a bit more now

>>90704650
>It is clearly a multifaceted situation, that has built up over time
Sure, I agree with that. But let's be real, we look at the timing and Fauna's leaving is no coincidence.

You're right that I shouldn't have put it all on the Japan trip. Ultimately I've just been bitter about it for a while cause I missed the comfy Fauna JP collabs.

The actual problem was Hololive going public and being beholden to stockholders. I believe that's the main reason that is driving forward all the exits. The other reasons are auxiliary and only heightened by that main reason.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents of venting since everyone else probably had the chance by now. I've been busy so I only learned of the graduation now ;_;

>>90704743
You mean you want her to be a liar because you don't want to believe what she's saying

I'm tired.
This is a game for the young, the hungry.

>>90704774
>The actual problem was Hololive going public and being beholden to stockholders.
That happened two years ago

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>>90704818
The after effects of a company going public are never instantaneous, anon. Please trust me on this one. I can maybe see your point that I am making a big deal out of nothing with the Japan trip, but that's not the case here. This one is most certainly not schizo babble or just me being one-track-minded. The company going public and all the exits are directly connected.

>>90704912
>The after effects of a company going public are never instantaneous
Actually they are, quite often
This is you weaving stories that make you feel good to believe but aren't rooted in strong evidence
They might be connected, they might not, we don't know. The people in charge of the company since going public are the same

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>>90702484
I'm going to manifest them being together

this thread is full of autists and women

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>>90704774
That's fine. I didn't want to be too harsh on venting. I get it, doesn't really matter if I agree or not.
There's just been so many parasites and vultures trying to come here and use her to push whatever pet agenda they have. Here and elsewhere.

I think the more we try to fight that and keep that out of here, the better it will be

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>Hail Fauna, full of squeeb
>Yagoo forsaketh thee
>Blessed art thou amongst chumbuds
>And blessed is the fruit of thy milkers, Jes/uuu/s
>Man I Love Fauna, mother
>Do ASMR for us little shrimpers, that's all we will ever be
>uuu
>men

>>90702666
>People
If you haven't realized it yet it's just drama vultures trying to force a conflict between the girls when Fauna has explicitly stated that her issues are mainly with management and nothing more. The girls saying they're fine with their current experiences do not necessarily invalidate Fauna's experience and reasons for leaving at all.

>>90704494
>It was two years ago. They were there at the end of 2022.
Wait what? Puddle arc was in 2023

>>90705020
mumei’s going to have to cluelessly navigate through minecraft all by herself now

>>90705233
Her Japan trip was at the end of 2022, the puddle arc was when she got home

>>90705233
Likewise, and more importantly, Cover going public was in March 27 2023

>>90705284
There is zero evidence to suggest Cover going public has resulted in anything

Happy for her, sad we lose one of the best holo designs

>>90705347
>zero evidence
>everyone leaving

>>90705282
Why are you lying?
https://youtu.be/Hc86zcd4tJw
https://youtu.be/aOHFz5WAAlU

>>90705222
Yeah, it's pretty gross that they're trying to get people to turn on fubuki and miko and suisei as well. And extremely obvious any time they bring them up, very easy to dismiss.

>>90705433
There is no casual link between these things
After going public, Cover is still majority owned and run by the same people

>>90705427
Not gonna lie, I'm gonna be pretty annoyed at Fauna if she hasn't been talking to Tōsaka Asagi for some months now to get a new design.
Please pull a Dooby here.

>>90705445
Must have been a second trip

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So long, my friend o7
captcha TGRRRN

>>90705523
Well that's not when the puddle arc started

>>90705487
I heard that soggymama's commissions are booked until 2026

>>90705624
I didn't recall her making two trips
I remember her complaining about the first one

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>>90705480
What you need to understand is that when a company goes public, even if a person retains the majority and even if he publicly denies all the ridiculous requests shareholders make of him, the company itself is still incentivized to cut corners in other more hidden ways to have number go up. The stories of Cover being a black company that have come straight out of Holo mouths (Subaru implying it just recently) as well as overall bad morale malaise that has been observed for a while across all branches has completely shot up in the past year.
And no, I don't think Cover is a literal black company. I'm using a touch of hyperbole here.

>>90705487
Yeah I really hope she sticks with Asagi, no matter how it turns out. She's so good.

>>90705461
They just want people to either blame the other girls for being "bootlickers" or Fauna for being a liar. They desperately want to portray either side as being evil

>>90705126
this board is full of autists and women

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>>90705616

>>90705487
I do worry about it a bit.
She's been dropping hints here and there that she didn't really like the whole mommy shtick. Even if she perfectly fits into it.

So I worry she'll just go back to her generic LL design with a slightly updated model and that's it.

A shame, I really do think the combo if her personality and the whole mother nature green lady is probably the best design in holo (biased as a sapling of course)

>>90705666
>even if a person retains the majority and even if he publicly denies all the ridiculous requests shareholders make of him, the company itself is still incentivized to cut corners in other more hidden ways to have number go up.
Not true, the majority shareholders (Yagoo and friends) can do whatever they want

>>90705715
Yeah, I'm gonna be incredibly disappointed if she's a loli, not gonna lie.

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>>90705735
I said "incentivized", not "forced". Damn it, anon, why do you even refuse to consider this possibility?

I hope that she gets to more directly address her reasons post graduation. My guess is that she had a work visa/project hope moment and it was a dealbreaker for her.

>>90705222
>The girls saying they're fine with their current experiences do not necessarily invalidate Fauna's experience and reasons for leaving at all.
In fact, the girls have even said as much.

>>90705792
Companies are always incentivized to make profit, that's the point of a company, doesn't matter if it's public or private
Being public becomes an issue when the company is controlled by people who have no skin in the game, which currently doesn't look like the case

>>90705666
Cover is far from a black company but people forget that they aren't infallible. They can and have fucked up over the years and suffer from the same issues that plague other Japanese companies, like never changing something just because it still works even if it's really inefficient or outdated, because of their deeply rooted work culture.

>>90705715
>A shame, I really do think the combo if her personality and the whole mother nature green lady is probably the best design in holo
yeah, losing the model is a big blow, it really fit her so well

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>>90705874
Alright, I feel like I have derailed /uuu/ enough with this discussion, so I'll drop it. I've given my 2 cents.
Fauna love.

>>90705931
seems the issue is things are changing according to Bae

>>90705666
You give the public far to much credit.

>>90705841
A lot of spectators forget that "management" is not a homogenous entity. It's a complete mess of different people and it never seems to stay the same for long.

>>90705964
I agree that going public could be an issue, but currently there's no actual evidence to support it
Reach conclusions based on evidence and not your feelings or misconceptions

>>90705983
Bae and Suisei say it's because the company is changing. Kiara says it's not because it's changing, management has always been shit. Shiori says she just does whatever she wants. It really does seem like it varies wildly from talent to talent.

>>90706102
I don't really understand how it's changing and how these changes affect Fauna though

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>>90706034
>Reach conclusions based on evidence and not your feelings or misconceptions
This thread is so much nicer than the others. This is a breath of fresh air to read.

>>90706151
Me neither. I think it may have been a specific incident or person to cause this. Or maybe she just didn't want to see herself becoming another Gura.

>>90706151
The thing is that we'll never really know if those changes are the reason why she chose to graduate or if it's something else. Management as a whole is just far too broad to really pinpoint her exact reasons unless she herself clarifies it, and I sincerely doubt Fauna wants to say more that she hasn't already stated in her announcement stream

Whatever is responsible, all these people leaving at once can't be a coincidence. We may be entering the age of the indie.

>>90706268
This board is gonna be infested with a lot of drama vultures for a while trying to capitalize on 2 recent graduations/affiliations. Try your best to not get baited

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Why does it seem like none of the other members seem that bothered by her leaving

>>90706413
if nothing else, it feels a lot safer for big corpo girls to go indie now that there is precedent set that they'll still do just fine

>>90706442
Don't take it like that, two exits in a row are harder to process than one, not to mention the JP exits as well. It's not exactly "Getting used to it", but it's a different kind of depression.

>>90706442
Probably because they knew or had a feeling that she was leaving for some time. That seems to have been the case with Myth for Ame. That's why I was kinda scared about the Promise Musical. IT sounded like Myth4ever which was the last opportunity for them to perform together

>>90706442
They came to terms with it months ago and probably know fauna will enjoy being an indie more

>>90706442
A surprising amount of JPs seem bothered about it. If you mean ENs, they've known about it for a while now and had more time to process it. Most waterworks happen the closer they are to leaving

>>90706413
Honestly, there's a possibility it could just be a coincidence.

>>90706442
I feel there is plenty planned for her last month. There will be lots of opportunities on stream for them to say their goodbyes.

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>>90705715
>no more feet
>no more cowkini
>no more "medium" tits
>no more goth kirin
I will love Fauna regardless...

>>90706589
There will be lots of opportunities for Kronii to have a tearful goodbye and promise to take care of their autistic daughter after she's gone

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>>90706612
>no more cowkini
the real tragedy

>>90706151
What we strictly know
>a lot on ENs moving to japan
>more sololives
>more idol practice
>supposedly less focus on streams (kaela clip comes to mind)
They are just moving more in the idol company direction, and you cant really blame them since subcount has been stagnating for the last year. Like it or not this is their way of trying to adapt to the market

>>90706793
We don't know how much of that is because of management. It could be the talents themselves who are taking the initiative. Fuwamoco, Biboo, and Bae are hardcore weebs

>>90706793
>more sololives
>more idol practice
>supposedly less focus on streams
You don't know any of that though. People keep repeating this but it isn't fucking true

>>90706664
>Kronii to have a tearful goodbye
lol lmao. She doesn't give a shit.

>>90706996
>People keep repeating this but it isn't fucking true
They desperately wanted to use this to attack "Idol culture" but she very specifically and succinctly shut that down. Not going to stop them from reaching and trying though, it seems

>>90705654
We don't know how long things might have been happening and Bae's last chatting stream suggested that they knew about this behind the scenes for at least a little while. Fauna might be the reason some artists are booked already.

>>90702666
I'm leaving Hololive together with her so it doesn't matter to me what happens later.

Mooner...
https://x.com/moonahoshinova/status/1863522131344318848

Cover HATE
Yagoo HATE
Bae HATE
Fauna LOVE
simple as

Good morning, I love Fauna

I suppress my sadness with management hate and their cocksuckers. It seems to be working.

>>90707598
You finished larping in the other threads so now you come here

>>90707002
she's probably trying to figure out how she can get out of being around for all this

I'll try being vegan until jan 3 to understand what fauna goes through every day

>>90707491
Damn that's sweet.
It makes me tear up every time but I'm happy to see it from so many girls

>>90707808
back to global fake fan

>>90707509
>Bae HATE
???

>>90705480
The only "senior" HoloENmem who won't have any problems currently live in Japan right now.

>>90707846
If Kronii does that then there's a non-negligible chance that she's Fauna's manager

>>90708180
thats true and its also got nothing to do with what i said

>>90707808
So I shouldn't hate the management that dragged her to graduation? Is that what you're saying?

>>90708275
>that dragged her to graduation
Nani?

>>90708275
Nah keep hating management. Even the girls who are happy at Hololive hate management.

What if she decides to double down on the lemon theme and redebut as a yellow woman?

>>90708109
>DUDE everything is fiiiine
>thanks to her bootlicker words, everyone is treating this as she didn't quit because shitty management

>wake up
>Fauna is still graduating
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT TIMELINE I SWEAR

>>90708539
I think she handled it okay. Reassuring everyone that you aren't going anywhere, while also not minimizing Fauna's reasons for leaving, is going to be tough for everyone. Unless someone outright says something negative about Fauna, we should cut them some slack.

I'll miss green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-lYFj2c_Cg

>>90708820
Interestingly, she did confirm that the company is changing.

>>90709342
True but the change she talked about was more in regards to how cover is now compared to say, how it was in 2022. I highly doubt there's an ongoing sudden change right now.

>>90708275
You're not very good at this

>>90709543
back to global bootlicker

>>90709484
Fauna and some of the others also made it clear this wasn't about being forced to participate in idol activities. I'm assuming this is more about what she isn't allowed to do, since it seems like management isn't requiring anyone to do anything. Mumei and Gura are allowed to do nothing after all.
Hopefully we learn more about the reasons from Fauna at some point.

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I'm gonna miss her collabs with Gigi, bros. They had such good times and vibes together.

Would any indie collabs feel the same way?

Someone threw out the possibility of maybe joining another corpo, and I'm wondering now if that's why she didn't take the affiliate. It's probably fine if you were going indie but you'd probably have to cut all ties if you were going to take another contract.

>>90709726
>Would any indie collabs feel the same way?
without her mommy model, no

>>90709588
Bro I guarantee you that you ignored Fauna's message. You're larp is so bad

>>90709758
she didnt go affiliate because she doesn't want to come back

>>90709758
No way Cover's contract would allow her to join the competition right after leaving. It's usually not allowed for employees even on medium sized businesses.

>>90709615
Fingers crossed she reveals more throughout the month

>>90709857
kill yourself and go back to global

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Just popping in because there is a weird schizo about. Saplings are always welcome in /xhlgg/ use it to shitpost, use it to vent I don't care.

There is not some mandate that all of you be absorbed into /xhlgg/. Just wanted that out there. Things won't get easier for you all. Hold onto your oshi.

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The beach chat stream was my introduction to Fauna.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHW0lo-Smdc
I was lucky because she had her 3D showcase soon after. Couldn't really keep up with vtuber streams but I would watch her Witcher and LA Noire streams on and off.

>>90709909
don't care
Cover hate
Yagoo hate
Fauna love

>>90709758
I sincerely doubt this because she'll pretty much do better as an indie. There's no incentive for her to join a different corpo

>>90709909
What the fuck is the point in /xhlgg/? Why would I want to talk about other graduated Hololive members?

>>90709899
Be kind that's all I'm going to say

>>90706793
When you have vtubers like Suisei filling out large arenas for concerts it's safe to say that Hololive is simply growing past the streaming business itself.

>>90710082
very stupid thing to say

>>90706268
It's really nice to see you guys keep your heads up and not play the blame game, fauna would be really happy to see that she has fans like that even in the more spiteful side of the net

>>90708820
Baelz has been on my shitlist for years so I'm not going to pretend to be fair, but Council/Promise is Baelz's generation.
I have to ask myself, seeing Fauna and Sana leave and Mumei focusing on school, I don't think Baelz is someone you want in your corner.
I'm surprised to read the Japanese care a little bit about an American graduation but it doesn't change the fact that Fauna hated it enough to leave.

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>>90709995
Same point as hlg even if there are generals for specific holos, but like the trianglebro said, /uuu/ and /xhlgg/ can and will cohexist. Whatever schizo wars there supposedly will be where one goes to shitpost about the other will inevitably be a falseflagger.

Anyway, this is a thread about Fauna, let's not dwell on it.

>>90710181
Consider that Cover now has investors who don't understand the first thing about vtubing looking at those numbers and asking management "why isn't the rest of the branch doing this kid of revenue?". I've been working in the finance industry long enough that I know how these things go.

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>>90709995
Fortunately you don't have to. I'm a 30 month Sapling. I love Fauna. I also happen to like Triangle.

That said hopefully Fauner in her new life pulls a reverse Delu and add green highlights as a call back. That'd be cool.

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This seems very plausible to have been what broke the camel's back, in light of Fes. Thoughts?

>>90710377
theres no unity amongst ex hololive members

>>90710459
fes is all pre-recorded retard

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Reminder for saplings that your oshi is cute
Sincerely, a bereaved chumbud

>>90710646
you fags are all bootlickers

>>90709864
well she's not an employee, and you can't enforce non competes in the US

>>90710529
wrong

>>90710759
do you believe in santa claus?

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>>90710492
But there is amongst fans anyway any further posts should be shouted down as anti posting. Take it easy... and please don't become an heroes. She will be back.

>>90710802
>But there is amongst fans anyway
No there isn't
What do I have in common with someone who likes Kson? nothing

>>90710789
NTA but the MCs are not pre-recorded

>>90710802
you're so retarded

>>90710851
maybe but not even member does them

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>>90710646
Thanks, yours too
Don't listen to the other guy he's not from here but he's choosing to stay.

>>90710789
yes

>>90710697
I'm actually surprised (not just for Cover but for any Vtuber company) Americans aren't talking about the guts of the companies they work for.
They can.

what am I supposed to do with imissfauna.com now

>>90710943
they cant

>>90710981
You'll need it now more then ever.

>>90710990
That's not what I mean. I may be a bit more vindictive than your average person but I'd go to a lawyer and see if it's too broad to be enforced and get it nullified. Especially if it's overseas business.
Alternatively they can just use a different pen name. Good luck figuring out who violated NDA out of the hundreds now of Vtubers that have left their companies or they may not need to name their specific company at all.
There's an audience for even general information. Not necessarily company secrets.
Though I really do find it odd it hasn't happened already.

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ignore that post

why would you leak nda shit if cover did nothing wrong

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>>90710892
>Catalogmonkey camping holo generals
Many such cases, no worries
I don't know if it was posted about here (and apologies in advance if this is against /uuu/ thread etiquette, just think these are exceptional circumstances), but if not, you may be interested to know that NotGura just gave NotFauna a follow yesterday. So at the very least there's good reason to hope we'll see them together again in the future.

>>90711472
Cover HATE
Yagoo HATE
Fauna LOVE

I wasn't in the mood to watch Bae.
Did she say if Fauna graduating was a recent decision or one that she had made a while ago?

>>90711501
>twitch partner
vomit

>>90711670
she basically says that everything is okay :)

>>90711670
She said they'd known for a while yeah

Is the other Perth sapling still alive?

>>90710981
Make it a sendoff page

>>90711726
Thanks Baelz :)
Things are so much better now :)
When we don't get proper information we like to assume the worst :)
I'm going to go play Ratshaker now.

Unsub all holos if you are a true saping.

>>90712147
>Baelz

>>90709864
>No way Cover's contract would allow her to join the competition right after leaving
Coco and Rushia already did that anon

>>90712151
Nah

>>90712151
I only care about Fauna

>>90712151
I guess I'm not a true "saping"

>>90712177
I think it would be a little weird if I was using an affectionate nickname for someone I was glowering at.
I'll also say I found it funny not calling her Bae was the thing that rose an eyebrow and not the game about shaking and choking a rat.

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>>90710646
>>90711501
>Sincerely, a bereaved chumbud
Hope you're holding up okay.
As much as I selfishly want them to form their own little tight-knit group together. I do hope Gura and Mumei come back to regular streaming in the future and make the most of their time and opportunities in hololive.
Any and all collabs, in whatever form, would be amazing. Really just hope they all stay good friends

>>90712151
>saping

>>90712688
>I do hope Gura and Mumei come back to regular streaming in the future
they wont

>>90711670
To support the other anon she said they've known a while. So they've had time to process it, even though she said it's sad and doesn't get easier

Damn, I just came from other threads here for the first time since announcement. This thread is an eye of a shitstorm. Fauna don't deserve this hate.
The whole situation is heartbreaking

>>90713063
Antis do be shitposting anon
It's gonna be a rough month

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>>90712688
Feet a little sore after my overnight shift, otherwise I'm good. Thanks sapbro.
I basically feel the same. I just want to watch our girls having fun together again, whatever form that takes.

>>90713063
their "genmates" don't help too, all bootlickers

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>>90713063
Indeed. I didn't expect last week that I'd be sparring on the internet with Cover of all companies but here we are.
I want Fauna to be happy. I liked playing with Fauna. I always toned it down when it rocked her boat too much.
Cover on the other hand showed no regard for her feelings and led to this. If a 4chan oldfag can temper himself why can't a Japanese company of less than a thousand do the same.
Everywhere I look the Japanese pride themselves on lifelong employment. I'm not seeing that courtesy being extended to their foreign branch and I take honest, deep offense.

>>90709758
Vshojo perhaps. She and Ironmouse could probably get along well and via Ironmouse she has access to the rest of the streamersphere. But I think she will go the Mint and Dokibird route. She has enough of a fanbase to support herself well as an indie (just look at the fucking Lemonleaf subs right now, she's fast approaching Mint's current subscriber count) and she is probably extremely distrustful of any kind of corpo right now, if not forever. But maybe VS will help her get set up like they did Mint. Regardless, she'll be fine.

catalog is starting to fill with fauna hate. we should ban indians and SEAniggers from commenting on this site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2Jv-4zLtw

Purest

>>90713063
It's basically just this >>90705222
Shit stirrers are using this as a opportunity to just shit on everyone

>>90713508
yeah bro, she loves Hololive. That's why she says "I love Hololive" in her important stream announcement

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>>90713063
They smell blood/weakness so they are going all out. It will die down and they will move onto the next thing.
There will be a ton of great streams over the next month, with hopefully as many members as possible. So just try to tune it out and enjoy it.

>>90710459
No. The only case that involves traveling would be Cover asking them to consider moving to Japan full time, or warning them that the frequency of traveling would go up, making her fly every few months, mostly for minimal bullshit. The only not prerecorded part of those concerts are MC segments, and they need maybe 1/3 of them to get all the parts.

If we are throwing rrats around, I think it's all about management itself. Someone there just hated Fauna and she couldn't get anything done. She got stuck with useless manager, she had no option to replace them, and we remember all the stupid shit that happened - dropping a week worth of homework on her at once, ghosting her when she asked for various perms, not caring to shill her merch when she was sick, not even watching her streams. Most other girls like their managers, give them nicknames, tell funny stories about their interactions. All we ever heard about Fauna's manager were subtle jabs about how they failed her. Hardcore Minecraft was the weirdest one - she asked for entry on Monday, got ghosted till Wednesday when Kiara had to sneak her into the discord. And then Fauna disappeared for like 3 or so days, for no reason. We could assume she suddenly got her period, I remember the timing was about right, but I'm more convinced some cunt just bonked her for few days because of the whole discord thing.
Breaking Dimensions MC with Mumei happened, their song probably got cancelled. They probably stopped even considering her for sponsorships just to spite her. She mentioned Hitman, Crocs, Dyson, not like she would get exactly that, but it's clear she was open to some sponsorships, I doubt she declined absolutely everything that we later saw other girls get. She just wasn't offered anything because fuck you, doesn't matter that you have a channel with one of the biggest viewership, and loaded, majority USA fanbase.
Literally zero opportunities, only restrictions and homework. No point in staying, even if she loves everything and everyone else there.

>>90713353
I think it all comes down to personal experiences within the company as there's so many layers of management and third parties they have to deal with. There's a "Chloe forced to work while she had covid" thread in the catalog for instance. If the translation is accurate, the scheduling manager didn't give a fuck while the recording staff did. The whole situation is terrible. We don't know Fauna's personal experiences with staff-san as she rarely talked about them, but it's likely she had some bad ones and finally drew the line.

>>90712151
>saping
Fauna was the only holo I was subbed to anyway.

>>90713751
This type of speculation is absolutely pointless
You're using what you know to try and come up with an answer
The real answer is in what we don't know

>>90713367
She is literally too big to share space with IM, it would only start fanbase wars. Complete indie is the safest bet for her, especially when she is already leaving a huge corpo.

>>90713875
I know the answer. I'm not gonna tell you though

>>90713738
>just enjoy
shut the fuck retard. Fauna is leaving because cover is trash at management. I can't watch her streams with a happy face

>>90713367
Fauna does not have Vshojo vibes in any way

>>90713936
>I know the answer
This is literally called schizophrenia

>>90713998
I'm Mumei

>>90712151
>unsub Mumei
>unsub Gura
Kill yourself vermin

>>90713936
This isn't me >>90713751 btw, someone else.

>>90714015
Yeah and I'm Towa
Konyappi saps!

>>90713751
Fauna is pretty principled, and Japan is conformist as all hell. I am not a vegan or anything, but I can understand that limiting yourself in such a way can also speak volumes about your more immaterial principles (even more so IMO since she is not one of those evangelical vegans with a messiah complex). So they reached a standstill, with Fauna and her principles in one corner and the management with their unbending Japanese conformism in another corner. One had to break off eventually, and Fauna did.

>>90714088
If her break with Cover was really about being a vegan I'm going to become the cyberjoker

>>90714147
dont be silly, the lemon cake happened

>>90713930
Yeah you're probably right. I didn't consider the fanbases. But when seeing what happened with the Caseoh and Pekora fanbases colliding, that is probably the case. Parasociality is a bitch.

>>90713799
Good on Fauna for standing up for herself. Having so many different managers makes it hard to know where to aim the metaphoric hatchet.
"Look at me I'm Japanese I am the only nation that doesn't leave trash after sports games! Our trains are never late! We run like a well oiled machine!"
>This
I'm not unreasonable for assuming malice over incompetence.

>>90714746
I think maliciously incompetent
Fauna has had 1 sponsorship ever in hololive right? The eminence game?

>>90715050
>I think maliciously incompetent
but enough about cover

>>90715050
Also, Fauna went above and beyond for that sponsorship by drawing fanart.
There was also a period of time where Fauna said she would do every single meet and greet that was offered to her and we got like.... 2? maybe?

>>90715122
but enough about Gura*

im just gonna watch random council collabs since the coconut mall mariokart vod came up

>joining another corp
>maybe vwhorejo
These hours truly are the most retarded. I think you post your merch alongside you retarded takes just so we don't assume you're a threadshitting shill

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I miss mommy...
https://files.catbox.moe/et0nqu.mp4

Good morning saps. As I cried myself to sleep last night (why do they call it that anyway, it kept me awake), I thought about a lot of things and came to some conclusions.
I have never doubted Fauna. My trust in her has never been shaken, not for anything. Not the dumb rrats, not the 'we are not friends' thing, nothing. For better or for worse I trust her completely. This is interesting to me because I have certainly had periods where I lost trust in my actual oshi (Gura). Part of me wonders what that means.
I keep telling myself that everything is going to be OK; Fauna loves streaming and this won't stop her. But I wonder then why I'm so broken up. I haven't been this legitimately depressed since I was a teenager. Loss of appetite, loss of libido, all of it. Consciously, logically, I see how things are going to go, but maybe subconsciously I'm still afraid of the uncertainty anyway.
Anyway, I'm not going to let any of this stop me from liking and watching the people I like, but I do think I'm gonna divest in expenditures. I've spent a lot on merch in the past, but between this and Gura's situation my confidence in Hololive as a corporation is severely damaged and I no longer feel the desire to financially support them. Gura doesn't seem to care about her merch any more anyway. Same goes for concerts; maybe I'll pirate them for my own limited enjoyment but I won't pay to support them any more. I'll save my money and support who I want to support after they eventually leave.

>>90715531
I'm feeling the same about merch. This has probably saved me from spending hundreds or thousands on the tcg.

>>90715050
Eminence and Blue Archive, from what I remember. Like I said before, my rrat is that someone up there didn't like her and she never got stuff.

>>90715050
Yeah given her CCVs (which sponsors look at more than idol stuff) it has always bothered me she wasn't more loaded with sponsors. Totally not going to be surprised if it's another quiet bullying type situation that seems somewhat common in this industry. The worst part is, it incentivizes the other girls to close their eyes to the situation as they don't want to be the target next.

>>90715531
I always had a feeling in the back of my mind that giving them money would reinforce bad habits so I always just anonymously buy talents I like coffee, so to speak.
I missed out on green names and cute badges sure but I'd feel dirty if I did it.

>>90715531
Buy rm merch

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Ancient Saplings.
Has catalogue and /vt/ ever been this fucked up?
Feels like every vt discord, subreddit, facebook group and website forum is stirring shit up.

>>90715787
It's subs first, CCV second, but it never stopped Nerissa or Shiori from getting sponsorships recently, when they are middling in both metrics.

>>90716014
Previous green woman grad was pretty rough for here, coco's was more sad than anything

I realized watching the Skyrim stream that I'm really going to miss the little things as well as the big stuff.
The references to other past streams, the "characters" that come out of them and continue going forward, each a tiny piece of what makes up Fauna.
As she did the "I miss Faendal" bit I thought to myself that yeah, I'm actually going to miss him too, along with Agent Fauna7, Gerald, FaunaMart, and even ones who don't come up much anymore but now the door will close on forever like Green Beans and Notpickle.

>>90716014
and they are doxing other holos(yeah, real names and old jobs too) and saying "FOR FAUNA", also probably orange board and council debut were worse

>>90716117(me)
I feel dumb getting sad over something so trivial, but I just wanted to vent my feelings a little

>>90716117
She will adapt some references and bits, and develop new ones.

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>>90715329
haha
https://youtu.be/sftmYjr0sW0?t=2319

>>90716014
I think her graduation being announced so close to Chloe's and her being the 4th person to graduate (and yes affiliation is basically a graduation in nearly every aspect) just in this year alone means that some people are sadly gonna use this chance to start shit because of how demoralizing it's becoming

>>90716042
Yeah I've been quite aware that Advent/Justice has suddenly locked in opportunities that somehow eluded Myth/Council all those years. They get to sing covers in English and release songs every other month, while Myth/Council get songs stuck in production hell and visa renewal snafus.

>>90716014
People just can’t follow the simple rule of hiding and ignoring esl seaposting. Even in this very thread saplings are arguing with extremely obvious esl posts that are 100% catalog antis. Wait till they go to sleep and the site goes back to normal.

>>90716422
for some reason Council always got the short end of the stick, also that the miscommunication was a bit more larger, wonder if that's what made her take this decision

>>90715720
I am incredibly lucky that I never caught the TCG autism, just in general. I might have bought a single card here or there to display, but no way I'd spend more than single-digit numbers on one.
>>90715857
My memberships are in ARS. I used to feel a little bad about it, but felt I made up for it in merch and concert sales. Now it's the only reason I'm keeping them.
>>90715934
I'm so fucking ready. They'll get my memberships or twitch subs (ugh) in USD too.

>>90716422
Well, we don't know anything for sure. If Fauna manages to secure some sponsorships on her own fairly early on in her new place, only then I will be truly convinced something was terribly off about that process in Cover.

>>90716014
>Has catalogue and /vt/ ever been this fucked up?
Yeah. I don't think anythings ever quite hit the level of orange board Kiara seethe in the early days of Myth. I wasn't here but I've the council debuts were pretty terrible to

>Council
>Council
We already know why they got fucked over for the first 2 years.
Fauna said she wouldnt take sponsorships unless they interested her.

>>90716422
I think what's more baffling is how it suddenly became harder for them to release songs now in 2024 than it was years ago. How is Full Color and It's Not a Phase stuck in development hell for seemingly no reason? Why can't they just release it on it's own without an MV?

Been listening to this on repeat for the last two days. Probably not helping my mental, but it’s exactly how I feel

https://youtu.be/uRMGX6EcXP0?si=uHzneAPzTYzol7Ki

>>90716637
he was gone since the start of this year but the damage was already done

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>>90716014
I was the thread OP for months during orange board and I got pissy because not only was it a swarm of concentrated shitposts for about 6 months there was no rebuking any of it because they never said anything worth the board space. It was like getting poked over and over by a hyper wacky waving inflatable tube man every time you put your piece on the board. Kiara didn't have a name yet really so they didn't have anything to argue. They were just annoying.
This isn't as bad. These are shills trying to run defense but we've known Fauna for a while and yes it's still annoying we can actually counter what they're saying.
Because they're legitimately wrong.

can a get uhh
gangimari fauna

>>90716117
Yeah, same. She's really built up something here. But, she's always going to have new memes. You just have to be there for them.

>>90713941
Skill issue. If you'd sacrifice Fauna putting out content as a goodbye to us you're not a sapling. Keep seething about something that won't change, that'll make her happy.

Retard.

>>90716637
Sure, I don't see her promoting gfuel poison, or advertise RTX4060 when everyone know she already has 4090 rig, but I don't believe she rejected EVERYTHING. More likely she wasn't even considered for anything, which is baffling given the size of her channel.

>>90702641
I finally got 8 hours of sleep. I feel a lot better.

>>90717021
Unless its dyson, or taco bell, I genuinely believe she refused sponsorships she didnt care for

>>90716308
https://youtu.be/sftmYjr0sW0?t=3849
beans...

>>90717381
the windy banana...

Wait everyone! Let's not lose sight of what's truly important here!
What's going to happen to the divegrass team?

Bros.... Is this how it feels when your gf leaves you.... I am depressed

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Why did it have to be December bros? I told myself I'd actually try and get in the holiday mood for once this year by listening to Christmas songs and stuff from December 1st, but ever since the announcement I've just felt numb

>>90717579
She's not your gf, retard.

>>90717564
for the /vt/ league they don't accept teams that don't have an active thread unless theyre some of the grandfathered ones

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What if management told Fauna to ditch her family Christmas plans and get her Kirin ass to JP studio to shoot promo shit?

>>90717796
Yeah she is mine

>>90717830
I was thinking more along the lines of aesthetics and goalhorns rather than participation.
I guess both are up to the caretaker.

>>90717875
Cover being shitheels is what caused this problem. That's what should be focused on and because we don't have a target we're just gonna have to carpet bomb.

I'm not really looking forward to Minecraft Monday...

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>open channel once to follow
t-thanks

>>90717796
Look anon, we already know Fauna is with Mumei, it doesnt change the feeling

>>90718044
Well that is what I said, no?

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>>90718137
Through anger, unity.

No point in speculating the nitty gritty details of why Fauna is graduating until she reveals more herself which likely isn’t happening until she reincarnates. Let’s just enjoy her last month as a holo free of drama while we still can.

>>90717579
ehh. there's definitely a sense of loss, especially of shared memories and dreams. but, I also ... don't hate fauna. so that's pretty different.

>>90717564
>>90718009
Was hoping maybe do a runback of the team that won the last league. In honor kind of thing.
But I think the next tournament is too far out for that. Up to the caretaker I guess. If he's even still interested

>>90718312
Hey listen, there are no middle ground with DEI-infested but transparent Western capitalism and exclusive but trad and based Eastern collectivism.

You either collab with brain-fried twitch whores, m*les and roasties, or you put up with dinosaur Japanese management that fossilized in its ways mid 20th century.

That's not a problem exclusive to Cover.

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JWU i see the dramaturds are desperate for selen 2.0
Reminder that in her announcement shes loves the girls and says theyre the kindest people shes ever met, she loves singing, she loves performing on stage and she loves streaming, any disagreement with management is standard fare for a graduation. Shes still with us and streaming until the end

>>90718706
*sigh*
I suppose I can't be angry at the truth.

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>>90718885
Nobody is grilling other girls. Well except this schizo rrat

we are going to lose a good mommy model because of the japanese..

>>90718885
Ennacuck and the usual schizos that hate Fauna and hololive are doing their best to shit all over the floor

>>90718961
Hey, I don't care much about Nijis. Gossip is just my coping model.

>>90704335
>Why fauna attacked management.
She didn't. Disagreement with management is not the same as animosity.
It can be something as simple as them not being able to reach an agreement on the new contract.

>>90717796
I've spent around 50k on her. I wouldn't even spend that much on my gf.

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>>90713353
How about supporting your oshi side by side with a friend?

>>90719057
>Disagreement with management is not the same as animosity.
It is not your average disagreement. This one caused her to leave hololive.

>>90719098
I dont trust posters that use images with filenames with a history of being used for shitposting in the catalog

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>>90719098
Aye. I could do that.

>>90719073
USD? how, supas?

>>90719073
She already wink wink nudged you where to find her next anyway.

>>90719439
We know, we also love Fauna, you're not helping.

Bae: everything fine and its being blown out of proportion
Also bae: sad karaoke

I am gonna gen Fauna fat ass to calm my angriness

TL;DR:
Best ways to directly support her are: Streamelements/Streamlabs -> Patreon -> Twitch Bits -> YT membership/SCs -> Twitch subs (until she hits level 2) - > YT ads -> Twitch ads
>>90716561
Fauna and Suisei were the ones who made me feel comfortable spending money on memberships/SCs/merch/etc. They weren't the most optimal, but the thought-process was, as long as the streamers I watch and support are happy with Cover, I'm fine with paying a premium and Cover getting a cut.
Speaking of financially supporting her, I'm money-brained (occupation hazard?), I've looked at which platforms take the "smallest" cut. All done in USD.
>YT
Without Cover as a middleman, YT memberships and SCs go back to being a pure 70/30 split. Ads also go back to 55/45 (irrelevant for me because YT prem).
>Twitch
Going to split this between bits, subscriptions, and ads
>Twitch bits
If I understand correctly 1bit = $0.01 USD. So if we translate each bits package:
100Bits costs $1.40, so by spending $1.40, she'll get $1. The split in this case would be about 71/29. There's those discounted packages, so I'm going to format each conversion as Total Bits Purchased/Purchase Price - Rounded Streamer cut/Rounded Twitch cut.
100 Bits/$1.40 = 71/29
500 Bits/$7.00 = 71/29
1,500 Bits/$19.95 = 75/25
5,000 Bits/$64.40 = 78/22
10,000 Bits/$126.00 = 79/21
25,000 Bits/$308.00 = 81/19
>Twitch subs
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/plus-program?language=en_US
Revenue split is based on maintaining a certain amount of "Plus points" over three consecutive months. From what I've read, Level 0 has a 50/50 rev split.
Tier 1 sub = 1 point, Tier 2 = 2 points, Tier 3 = 6 points.
This matters because to achieve Level 1 (60/40 split), she'll need 100 plus points for 3 consecutive months and to achieve Level 2 (70/30 split), she'll need 300 plus points. Only paid subs qualify for plus points. Gift subs and Prime subs do not count. A US Twitch prime sub only pays $2.25 now as well.
>Twitch Ads
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/ads-manager?language=en_US
Unlike YT which has a system called TrueView, Twitch has unskippable ads. The maximum split offered by Twitch is a 55/45 split, but it requires the streamer to have a 3 minute or more of ads.
>Patreon
https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/11111747095181-Creator-fees-overview
I don't completely understand it, but the "Pro plan" fees start at 8% of income. Payment processing is split between Micro and Standard payment, so for CC payments:
- $3 or less
5%+0.10USD - at $3 dollars, that's $0.25 or 8.3%. - more than $3
2.9%+0.30USD - at $5 dollars, that's $0.445 or 8.9%
Do note because of the "flat fees" ($0.10 and $0.30), the more paid over the "tier", the larger the proportion the creator gets.
There are also currency conversion fees (2.5%) and payout fees. For direct deposit USD, it's $0.25 per payout.
>Streamlabs/Streamelements
For tips, the only fee involved here is the standard processing fee for CC and PayPal.

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>>90717381
enemies to lovers in 2021
https://youtu.be/sftmYjr0sW0?t=6034

>>90719057
Calling out management as reasons for you quitting your job is indeed act of animosity, or at least defiance.

>>90719562
>Streamelements/Streamlabs
I don't want fau fau to have my address...

>>90708275
You literally don't know anything about what happened. Stop making shit up.

>>90719485
Bae seems to be taking this graduation the hardest of the people who have actually streamed since the announcement.

>>90719136
>>90719592
Hence why I pointed out that it could be a simple contract dispute that they simply couldn't find a solution to.
If Cover NEEDS her to travel, and she doesn't want to, that's a pretty normal schism that'll lead to a non-renewal of the contract.
She also specifically pointed out that she likes working there, so it's not like it's some hugely negative environment issue.

>>90713606
>she said she still likes the place
OMG they force her out
>she said she didn't like it anymore
OMG hololive got worse, black company confirm
>She said she had no feelings
OMG they destroy her soul that she can't feel anything anymore

>>90719687
>simple contract dispute
Fauna is pretty reserved lady, she wouldn't call out management like that if it was something this simple. Or should I say, the problem sounds emotionally charge, outside of scale of simple contract disagreement.
>she likes working there
No, she said she liked the activities. I might like the tasks assigned to me on my job, but not working conditions or management.

All in all it seems like you are dying on a weird hill trying to whitewash Cover management from having talent-breaking issues.

>>90719562
That's all very interesting. Personally I'm not the type to send superchats or donations at all; I feel the need to receive something directly in return, even just emotes or a member badge, so YT members, twitch subs, and merch are the ways I choose to show my support.
My penny-pinching nature looks for maximum value extraction and fears the very nature of supas/donos and how quickly they would add up.

>>90719485
Retard

I don't want to go to twitch uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>90716117
I felt the same when Pomu graduated but she quickly made new stuff as Mint, it's never the same and there'll always be things I'll miss but it'll be alright as long as it's still the same person streaming.

>>90702666
Same as it ever was. Fauna may have gotten more popular over the past year, but she's always had dedicated antis on this board since Day 1.

>>90719981
There's nothing stopping her from dual streaming.

>>90719981
She's going to use youtube.

>>90719814
A contract dispute IS disagreement with management. It's not calling anyone out. It's just giving a normal reason.

>All in all it seems like you are dying on a weird hill trying to whitewash Cover management from having talent-breaking issues.
You're the one trying to frame her words as some sort of attack, when it's just a bog standard reasoning for leaving.

>>90702666
>people are now hating on her
May I see them? Outside of occasional "serves you right" obvious bait, everyone seem to be shitting on Cover Management. Or am I blind blind?
>>90720028
>alksacshkualee
Okay bro.

(stupid) rrat: Cover demanded that Fauna stop being vegan, and she was so insulted by this violation of her identity that she had no choice but to quit
I love meat and think being vegan is a strange choice unless you have serious health issues that basically require it, but I'd be totally on her side in this made-up schizo case

>>90719981
>Youtube for streaming and vods
>Twitch for ASMR since neal's been anal about it recently
All I can hope for

My rrats are retarded...

>>90720108
Oh yeah, fuck youtube they banned ear licking and oil massage ASMR didn't they? Fucking faggots.

Since were probably not getting the nendo i ordered her little ichikuji figure

>>90719682
I believe Bae has some pretty bad depressive episodes in the past. Based on that old bungie jump discord image Bae showed, with Fauna being very concerned, I wouldn't be surprised if she was someone she vented/turned to a lot for comfort

>>90706996
What I think happened was not that they were forced to do idol work, but because the company has idol as its focus, streaming would be a secondary priority, like when they want to do something and ask management for help, they will say that they are busy with the upcoming concert and drag out the processing.

>>90720121
All rrats are retarded

>>90720066
>Okay bro.
Don't respond if you don't have anything to say.
Also, why are you so gung ho about wanting her to be attacking people?

They got the perms btw
https://youtu.be/QHyDw_RcaQQ
Praying she plays at least once

>>90719981
A few years of watching streamers on YT has transformed into a gatekeepy fuck. Fuck emotes from other channels and fuck stuff like 7TV, either integrate with the streamer's channel culture or fuck off. Not everything needs to be homogenized.

I hope Fauna doesn't feel too bad about all the sad saplings threatening suicide due to her graduation.

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>>90720077
>>90720121
The Japanese are a bunch of old perverts. An American woman would not hesitate to throw everything away if they tried asking for sexual favors to get a contract renewal; especially someone like Fauna.
They did invent the hentai genre after all.

>>90720224
This is pretty reasonable. And then you have to do tonn of paperwork to push your streaming project through. I remember Pekora complained about similar project of hers being canned in the past.
>>90720250
Are you so vegetarian that "attacking people" is inherently bad in your vocabulary? Attacking people that wronged you is justice. If management did Fauna wrong, and it does seem they did, fuck yes attacking them is correct.

>>90719981
>>90720020
I also think she's going to use Youtube, if she wants maximum retention of her Youtube audience it's the safe bet.

>>90720343
>and it does seem they did
And you're basing this on?

>>90720339
Bruh if that were the actual case I would hope she went full-out thermonuclear
But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

>>90720018
say that to doob

Why was our sticky so short compared to Ame?

>>90720476
That's a problem unique to doob though. A ton of vtubers stream on both without any issues.

So did Brats, Kronies and IRyStocrats betray us?

>>90719981
It would be very silly to risk throwing away the huge youtube audience she's built over the last 3 years to go back to twitch. She's a smart girl
Besides the channels been ballooning in subs and views already. Mint being successful on youtube also secures it I think.

Do you feel that whatever her problem was, it could be solved if Council or Promise were a tighter group?

>>90720612
Like, tight enough for collective boycott or what? I don't think anything can come through fossilized JP management skulls. They still uphold pixelated porn laws from the 50s.

>>90720358
Praying for it

>>90720269
>Alien isolation
Man the timing...
Yeah I hope she gives it one stream at least this. A lot of fans have been asking for it for a long time