>>90702836
Not having to fly to Japan every couple of weeks probably helps

Why are you pretending to be a holodrone when the screenshot shows universally negative reception to those posts?

>>90702879
>universally negative reception to those posts
lol

>>90702879
uh oh retard and reading comprehension

>>90702836
>everyone who has criticisms right now is a "holoanti"
it must be tiresome having to make your own demons

>>90702867
Fauna didn't go to last year's holofes (one of two members in the entire company including the males) and didn't go to breaking dimensions.
I think it's safe to assume she never recorded shit this year and everything was skinwalked.

>>90702836
Good to see even the JPs have to deal with sisters.

>>90702867
desu if a scenario where my irl wife has to fly there every month, i would rather have me and her live in japan instead. Instead of this fauna situation

>>90702836
Maybe FBK should've helped Chloe with her homework then

>>90702836
fubuki is such a management attack dog

>>90702836
Well my opinion of her just went down if this is supposed to be passive aggressive response.

>>90702836
Are we watching the Nijification of Hololive in front of our eyes?

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>>90702836
Why the fuck is she making fun of holos who graduated instead of defending them? What happened to this???

>>90702836
>Holoantis
So HoloEN are antis now

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That settles it then. Hololive is good. Kuroe and Fauna are bad.

>>90703584
>HoloEN
*Fauna

>>90703615
Cloe is leaving for health reasons. Fauna is lazy and an ungrateful bitch

>>90702836
sisters really want there to be a universally despised villain in hololive as well
just so they can justify elira existing lmao

>>90704192
Health reasons due to apparent overworking, which is a complete and utter lie as exposed by our dear Friend Fubuki.

>>90702867
>willingly seek employment at a Japanese company serving a primarily Japanese customer base
>have to fly to Japan a couple of times a year
Oh, the horror. Who could have seen that coming?

>>90704288
Can she just not do it? Is there some implicit punishment whispered in soft but harsh tones if she chose not to do Fes? Seems pretty black to me.

>>90702836
EN women are a different breed. they think they're working their ass off when they stream for an hour 3 times a week

>>90703448
Kicking lazy holos out of hololive is the opposite of "nijification"

>>90704288
Who pays for the flight and travel expenses?

>>90704822
cover

>>90704822
Retard

フブキは「プロ」なんだよな
ファウナやクロエのような「アマチュア」とは格が違う

>>90704822
>he never works in a company ever
dare i say retard?

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>>90703583
>"Well they couldn't keep up"

>>90702867
Fauna didn't even visit Japan this year. It's time to accept that she's just a lazy bitch whos mad she can't do react slop content.

>>90704822
>Who pays for the flight and travel expenses?
>>90704852
>Retard

They shouldn't make a retard pay for this. They have enough trouble getting by in life.
Hololive is indeed a black company, exploiting retards in this fashion

>>90704235
No, we heard that Chloe had the worst manager in JP. She asked for less workload to heal her throat and the retard gave her a shitload of recordings to do instead.

>>90702952
>>90702960
It literally does though

>>90705041
>She asked for less workload to heal her throat and the retard gave her a shitload of recordings to do instead

Based. Her throat, my choice

I trust FBK and I will never trust a vegan sorry, doubly so hearing how she was before holo

>>90704288
>>90704822
>>90704420
FAUNA DIDN'T VISIT JAPAN EVEN ONCE THIS YEAR, THIS RRAT IS RETARDED

>>90704892
>>he never worked for a boomer before
You don't know the depths of cheap behaviour until you worked for a boomer

>>90705093
Based. In FBK we trust.

>>90703584
Which HoloEN is an anti again?
Management disagreement doesn't make you an anti, despite what you're desperately trying to push

>>90704288
>Who could have seen that coming?
No one if you got a job where you can work from home.

>>90703583
She literally owns shares at Cover. Conflict of interest.

>>90705093
>THIS RRAT IS RETARDED

So is the retard paying or the retarded rat? Someone should pay her bills if they want her to go to Japan

>>90704729
Being passive aggressive against your coworkers/former coworkers is Hololive?

Trust the fox, not the rrats.

>>90705379
>She literally owns shares at Cover.
I still don't get how that works, if company would do badly and she sells isnt it insider trading??

>>90705456
>passive aggressive

>>90702867
she went to japan only once in her entire stint at hololive

>>90702836
Amusingly enough, Laplus actually had the best take in regards to Chloe's situation. Granted she made it before Fauna's announcement but I don't think Lap is even aware of Fauna's existence so it probably only relates to Chloe.

Basically, yes they are all very busy and yes it can be tough to deal with and she struggled a lot with it at the start (which explains her behaviour in the latter half of her 1st year leading up to her break) but since then she's managed to find a good work/life balance and has maintained a good dialogue with the company as to what she takes on and what she doesn't. My take away from the whole thing is that it's entirely possible for the Holos to juggle their work and life. It's just that some are better than it than others. Some take to it naturally. Others learn to deal with it. Some are ultimately not able to and leave.

>>90705665
That explains the graduation then

>>90705518
I own shares in the company I work for too.
Working there doesn't necessarily mean you have insight into financial reports before they get published. (though it IS possible of course)

>>90702867
>every couple of weeks
its once or twice a year but yeah thats the main problem for her, becomes puddle + no vegan options

>>90705711
I thought insider trading was just any extra info you have about company that isn't publicly available, which you would have a lot of when working for them
Like I'm bottom of the corp ladder wagie and I can tell my company is fucking failing worse and worse every year

>>90705705
Shhh anon this is the anti thread. We don't like reasonable takes here.

>>90705802
Vegans ruin everything for everyone and for themselves yet again. Many such cases...

>>90705451
Kiara already said they pay for flights and accomodation if you have to go because of FES or other "official" events. You only pay yourself if you go for personal events like birthday 3d recordings.
She also said that non of these events are mandatory, she even believes you could not take part in FES if you really don't want to.
She acknowledged that there is stuff going wrong in management that can make you quit, but it's not the japan stuff, and most likely not game perms since they got "way better, and the list is almost too big now".
So its either a financial problem, Fauna had a shit personal manager or she wants to do stuff that just isn't possible in Hololive (Fauna X Stronny stroking asmr kind of stuff)

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Lord Shareholder God Fubuki has spoken, ya'll
All them antis are neejees YESSIR *lips smacking*
Don't nobody badmouth God's public corpo now COME ON *lips smacking*

>>90705940
Kek this isn't ever going to stick, sis

>>90705940
>Pekora
Nigga what are you doing?

>>90705826
No, its only insider trading if you have actual knowledge of the companies financial reports/situation and/or coming strategical decisions BEFORE they become public.

If you think "Oh man, the company has bad vibes right now, I bet we are going to keel over soon" and then sell it's NOT insider trading.
If your manager comes along and tells you Q4 will be the worst financial report ever and you then sell your shares it IS insider trading.

>>90704865
クロヱですよ

>>90705093
Shiori just further debunked "forced idol activities"
She said she isn't being forced to sing or perform whatsoever.

>>90705889
>Fauna had a shit personal manager
I would guess this and she isnt assertive enough (I dont fault her for this) to get it fixed, so she reached her breaking point and left

>>90705940
This doesn't work with JP talents. You could try using Mori, Kiara, Bae, Irys maybe.
Even then most of them openly complain about management often so it still doesn't work.

>>90702836
I haven't put any trust in fubuki in a long time now

>>90705260
>it's impossible to envision traveling outside your home, no one could have seen it coming

Why can't Cover explain to people instead of having 3 different talents say random shit

>>90706152
you mean like how idol contracts don't technically prohibit personal relationships?
you can't take any of this japanese contract shit at face value anon, they are expected to play ball or else

>>90706441
Because Cover loves letting talents take the blame instead of tanking bad PR like a good agency should

>>90705889
>Kiara already said they pay for flights and accomodation
And
>It's optional
This doesn't seem like an issue that would lead to quitting.
It's a free business trip.
She would only refuse if she had some family, side business and etc she couldn't leave alone.
But then it's optional right?!??
So one of those premises has to be false

>>90706441
>Yeah let's talk ourselves and get shit on by the public instead of using the girls which we know people won't openly shit on.

>>90706441
I've worked with white vegan women before, there is a good chance she ranted about vibes being off and then requested to leave and nobody at cover even knows what her problem is. At least non of the other EN girls seem to know what exactly made her leave.

Uhoh, holodrone melty

>>90705889
Got a clip or timestamp for this Kiara talk? I was certain games perms were still fucked so that's surprising to hear.

>>90706152
>Shiori

>>90706623
It was during yesterdays stream, the talk was a good hour long.

>>90706447
If that was true Fauna would have had to visit japan at least once this year, which she didn't.

>>90702836
Fubuki is a management stooge.

>>90705940
You mess up with that pekora there, remove her from that clique

>>90706658
Fuck man theres so many vods in my backlog already. Oh well...

>>90706152
Because nobody wants her to sing and dance in the first place.

>>90706397
Yes, have you ever worked from home? My employer's office is a 2h drive away and the headquarters is in a different country.
The only time I go there is for the Christmas party and they pay for everything. However, there's no need for me to attend a Christmas party.

>>90702836
foobs is stakeholder, so all she says is irrelevant

>>90706447
>they are expected to play ball or else

Or else what sepukku?

>>90706754
I mean she has the same capability in dancing and singing as Fauna, if not a bit better.

>>90706799
>Or else what
They get raped by grems

>>90706441
The only press release from cover I remember is in rushia's misunderstanding

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Kanata's schedule, each bar is 1 hour of work (this doesn't include streaming)

>>90706691
She did visit Japan at least once a year when COVID restrictions were let up. She was in Japan for Christmas and New Years in 2022, and she was in Japan last year for her 3D showcase. She did not go this year, which is also the year she graduated, probably because she found out it wasn't actually optional.

>>90706925
Lol no way. And thats for a veteran JP who is quite popular.
What the fuck are the EN girls complaining about??

>>90706599
>Fauna: <long e-mail about woman stuff not being catered to>
>Cover: ChatGPT please translate. Oh I see desune it's creative differences. Okay we will accept request to graduate.
>Fauna: Disagreements with management.

>>90706973
Who said it was workload?
What if Fauna's manager was a sexpest and cover did nothing about it when she complained?

>>90703197
>>90703297
>>90703322
>>90703583
>>90706363
>>90706713
>>90706780
>sudden 'we hate fubuki' posting now after trusting her for years
Make it less obvious samefags

>>90706925
Probably doesn't include transit time or waiting time at the studio that aren't actual work though.

>>90706441
Because it’s unironically the smarter move. Unless you absolutely have to, always wait for a while and gouge public opinions first before making any official statements
At current rate of how fast people have been siding back with Cover after talents defended the group yesterday, chances are they won’t even have to say anything anymore

>>90706925
Based. Chloe is such a fucking liar. Overworked to the point that her health could never recover? LOL. I hope she gets antied until she kills herself.

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>>90707070
Sick digits, I now believe this theory. Fauna got raped by her manager 70 times.

>>90702836
Fauna is coming out of this looking pretty bad. All the Holos who actually do things are saying it's fine, Fauna didn't even stream that much, she doesn't sing and wasn't even at Holofes or Breaking Dimensions. What the fuck is she even complaining about?

>>90706973
It's not the ENs that complain about workload. In fact Fauna didn't mention it at all in her announcement. It's Aqua and Chloe.

>>90706925
>Kanata's schedule

But she is a big singer and into editing.
Perhaps a lazy en gamer might have better hours.
But you do have a point that seems large

>>90707070
Oh crap, maybe Fauna got IRyS's previous manager…

>>90706973
having 20 hours a week of homework in addition to streams is a lot actually

>>90702952
>>90702960
HAHAHA management dicksucking retards once again displaying their embarrassing lack of reading comprehension. The reception in the OP to FBK's tweets are incredulous at best, so I don't think this is the image you want to use to make the point you think you're making.

>>90707154
PIGGY OINK OINK TIME FOR YOUR HOLOSLOPPY

>>90707175
>But you do have a point that seems large
No, that doesn't seem large at all.

>>90707154
ye bro let me just openly criticize my employer

>>90702867
Just say "Nyo". What are they gonna do? Black stream you?

>>90707235
>having half of a work week just be meetings
>not a lot when you have streaming to do too

>>90707226
I dunno man I look at Fauna's "achievements" during her time in Hololive and the list is pretty thin. Did she even finish building that tree she spent years working on? Fubuki literally has 5x as many hours streamed as Fauna and does a lot of work behind the scenes too I'll believe her

>>90702836
Lick that boot faggot. hope you deepthroat it too and choke on it like the subhuman you are.

>>90707194
>20 hours a week of homework
I-made-it-the-fuck-up.mp4

>>90707088
>suddenly
I've been telling you retards since 2020 that fubuki positioning herself as the ethical barometer for hololive was always a shifty move. Now, don't get me wrong, I love my catfox as much as the next guy, but even I can recognize a shady move when I see one.

>>90706973
>>90706925
So let me get this straight. She only has one day off for the whole month? And you people think this is healthy?

>>90702836
Not much work to Asians especially JPs, is apparently too much work for westerners, the work culture is simply different, for example i used to work for a french company, texted my group a reminder about the meeting we are suppose to have the next day. Got a call from HR than next day got slap with a warning and was told i was breaking the law.

TLDR If you arent prepared to have work consume your life dont work for a JP company.

>>90707344
its in the picture
>actually some weeks it adds up to 18 and 19 hours per week
who cares you autist

>>90702836
Why does she hate Kanata so much?

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>>90707339
BAKU BAKU BAKU~ BUY THE CARD, PIGGY

>>90707384
One day a month is perfectly fair when her average work day is 4 hours and many times less than that. Especially when the work is sitting in a chair in a meeting or playing games.

>>90707395
>was told i was breaking the law.
yes contacting people about work outside of work hours is illegal because having to check that shit is part of work, not that weird of a concept
french also work 35 hours per week, so the kanata schedule posted in this thread is literally more than 50% of a work week

>>90707257
>ye bro let me just openly criticize my employer

Based. Fuck wage slavers. Bad worker chads unite.
Does anyone else try to spend one work hour a day on the toilet?

>>90707399
Who says all of that is homework and not including streams

>>90707395
>texted my group a reminder about the meeting we are suppose to have the next day
What? Off work hours? Yeah that's not good. That's their time. When you clock off that's it, save the reminders til you're back on the clock. Offices that let people harrass employees after hours are cancerous

>>90707479
>french also work 35 hours per week
explains why they have to outsource actual work to other countries

>>90706754
newfag or idolanti? Gura, Calli, Kiara all wanted to sing and dance/perform this is just Myth.

>>90707235
>>90707325
>>having half of a work week just be meetings
>>not a lot when you have streaming to do too

This her revenue is based on streaming. Their better be some benefit to that seemingly waste of time

>>90705705
My takeaway from Ame and Fauna's situation wasn't that both were overworked and unable to cope, but that management shooting down their ideas, mismanagement (heh) of the ideas that were implemented, and the insane perms autism slowly erroded their desire to continue with Hololive. Some of the JPs undoubtedly feel the same, but most Japanese workers are a single step above lobotmized drones, so they won't rock the boat as much as they should.

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>>90707518
Try to find this 7 hour stream on that schedule retard

>>90707465
You retard, did you see that this is excluding streaming, which IS her main job? And you fag think that everyone who works in an office and sits on chair is not getting tired? Now add all the stress that comes with entertaining thousands of retards like you

>>90707630
oh sorry i was rounding the wrong way, this 8 hour stream

>>90707518
The post? Logic?
>Kanata's schedule, each bar is 1 hour of work
>(this doesn't include streaming)

>>90707200
>still doesnt get the point
based retard

Retardbro, Kanata literally showed that to prove that she isn't overworked.

>>90707112
>doesn't include transit time
so just like very job then?

>>90707361
Fubuki said she had values and that she'd leave if Cover became a company that violated them. Meaning that as long as Fubuki is here, fans can assume she likes her place of work. I remember Pekora saying the exact same thing before, and others probably have too:
Fubuki never positioned herself as a canary in the mines, it just looks that way because thread readers spam this screenshot whenever some drama happens, while forgetting others have said it too

>>90707756
Isn't funny how she shot her foot with that? Way to go exposing this monstrosity

>>90707630
Kanata is still so based....I miss the time when Kiara used to love us and stream this long.

>>90707940
The ear cancer changed her...

>>90707901
Pekora said if it got too bad she would say something or leave, note the words too bad i.e. it is bad right now

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>>90707465
>playing games
you didn't read, that chart doesn't include streaming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e34CGZYD2mQ
case in point, this was an 8 hour livestream on the 24th, but the chart says she worked for 3 hours.

>>90708025
Extrapolate as much as you want from her statement, she's still here and that's what matters to me. If she leaves, I'll just support her rm and for now I'll assume the situation is good enough it's worth staying

>>90708043
> 3 hours
That's 3 hours too many. These girls should not be working and only streaming 24/7. Fucking chain them on their computers already. Imagine holomem doing sleeping streams because they can't leave. Instant top vtubers like the queen, ironlung.

>>90707257
Kiara has frequently shat all over management in the past in her blunt way. if even she's saying fauna's having a melty then odds are it's just fauna having a melty.

>>90707905
Kanata thinks it's fine
Also it's their decision how much work they want to accept. Literally everybody confirmed that.

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>>90702836
Fubuking is a vet MC, she knows whats up. Modern Holos have it about as good as it gets in corporate japanese media environment. Only Cover can give you stadiums of fans, abundant advertisement budgets, billboards on times square, top chart placements, best music producers and artists in biz, but you've gotta fight for it. Shrimple as that.
She absolutely ignores that bunch of girls don't have these ambitions in the first place or not placing them high enough to actually sway their decision making though, but it seems like this is covers official stance - you're gonna become a star or die under Suisei's shadow.

meanwhile, the cover corp job review website in japanese is and always has been a dumpster fire of employees complaining. any color gets better reviews than cover has been for years.

but yeah it's definitely that everyone is lazy

>>90702836
>taking the words of the company mouthpiece at face value
You might as well just read official company statements.

>>90708364
Link us the sauce blud

>>90707257
When Shiori and the (enreco? personal?) manager disagreed on the thumbnail she told us.
When she lost the fight, she changed the description of the video to Lmao rofl orz kek Lol. which is still there as you can see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSaC99K4IF8&t=2969s

>>90708419
google is hard

>Frogposter
>Retarded post
Color me surprised

>>90704988
I mean it's already easily verifiable if no other holo besides Fauna had a meltdown because of a few run ins with management that she is in fact a lazy whore

>>90708692
Other talents just have a guns pointed at their head, anon. Don't trust what they say Believe the rrats instead.

>>90707901
>Fubuki said
Guess that settles it then. Man, you do understand how difficult it is to objectively discuss this with people like you, when you've already made up your mind that anything Foobs says is absolute.

>Fubuki never positioned herself as a canary in the mines
She did. Her lofty statement that she would leave if ever Hololive went black is categorically no different than if she said that as a fox of moral principles, her departure would mean that Hololive lacks any.

Like I said, I like FBK, but as far as it comes to the state of the company behind closed doors, I'd believe her as much as any other employee of Cover.

>>90708790
Nah, we should believe in the information from only the official channels. Rrats are always factually incorrect.

>>90707708
What's the point here? That our JP counterparts are just as skeptical of Fubuki and management as we are? That this isn't just another gaijin misunderstanding like some corpo shills would have you believe?

>>90708523
Yes it's hard, it won't link me so just fucking prove us nigger

>>90702836
More like Fubootlick now

>>90707603
well I also feel like after getting shot down a bunch of times initially you'd stop giving it the old college try
I don't even know what kinda workload they actually deal with for background work, but imagine dealing with insane perms autism for anything non GTA or mineslop
I'd be losing my mind

>>90708692
Well I don't think many would just forfeit from a job that pays them thousands of dollars just for being lazy. Read between the lines anon, most likely is not just the workload but the management too

>>90705940
KEK try harder Nijisis

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>>90708364
Who cares about the backstage slaves? Its all about the talent, come on, showbiz101.

>>90707465
>>90702836
>FBK: I have a lot of free time
Friend?

>>90705705
Laplus had a strange take, she said Chloe likes to sleep alot and that she herself doesn't need to sleep that much. That's a weird thing to say about a job that isn't draining every minute of your free time.

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>>90702836
2 faced bitch

>>90708364
backstage people are replaceable unironically

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>>90708025
No wonder they brought the damage control hammer down on her.

>>90708813
Well then arguing is pointless isn't it? You don't trust in Fubuki's words, I do, end of the talk.

>>90702836
Stupid of FBK to say this while having no idea about mismanagement going on in the EN side of things. At least with Chloe's circumstances, she can relate and make an informed judgement call, but honestly, what does Fubuki know about the EN side of things?
the reason behind Gura's extended hiatus,
or Cover's incompetence surrounding Ina's VISA issues,
or the general mismanagement that Fauna has alluded to?
Next to nothing.

I'm hoping this is just FBK shitposting but the timing couldn't be any worse. Given that fellow JPs have acknowledged Fauna's graduation, it really reads off as ignorant condescension, and that pisses me right off. As someone that's considered a face of the company, going this route to indirectly belittle a disgruntled coworker is pathetic and not befitting of the self-proclaimed Hololive quality control. Stay in your own lane and get busy recording shit for your concert Fubuki.

>>90702836
What a passive aggressive way to address this, all female work environments really are a disaster.

>>90709125
The timing and sudden frequency of these tweets is so suspicious that I have to think that it's just poorly disguised damage control, unless any foxfags can say with certainty that she tweets a lot about how much free time she has. I really don't want to think that it is, but Cover lack of transparency forces me to speculate.

>>90709319
Cope. Fubuki has had enough of EN complaining about how hard things are when she busted her ass to build what they leech off. The least they could do is stream but half of EN can't even do that consistently

>>90707361
I was a bit moved during the Taiwan yab, but she has been doing a lot of damage control over the years. That alone is pretty telling about her stance.

>>90709153
Choco sleeps 16 hours and is doing just fine.

>>90702836
This is not the type of garbage I want to see holos posting.

>>90707465
Maybe from the perspective of a hikiNEET who has no social life and never leaves his home but normal people like to spend time with friends and family.
Not being able to go on any weekend excursions and such and only having one day a month when you can completely turn off and relax without having to worry about anything is eventually going to be mentally taxing for a normal person.

>>90709446
The existence of Kroniis stream where all she did was talk about her schedule also feels like damage control in retrospect, all of a sudden that are all talking in hyper detail about their schedules.

>>90702836
WAIT WHAT HAPPENED D:
that's so weird, I think any one who works for cover have never encountered anything like this before! did you received a confirmation/OK sign to manesan before blaming them in your graduation announcement?

Saplings coping hard that their oshi is just a lazy whore plus she can't handle simple changes inside the company to push her ass out.
Good luck being a 3 view, whore

>>90709660
It's very convenient how that became the go-to for Holodrones to shut down speculation about overwork. All this damage control with Talents as mouthpieces is scummy af.

>>90709291
NTA, but we don't trust FBK because we use logic and able to read the lines, meanwhile you trust FBK out of blind trust.
The fact that she has been doing damage controls multiple times when something big happened is sketchy. Cover knew a lot of people put their trust on her, and Cover utilize it well.

>>90702836
This feels like a post taken straight out of here. >she's lazy and I have soooooo much free time, I'm soooo bored cause of my LACK of work.

I wouldn't trust any Japanese woman.

>>90706441
And let me guess, they should do it on a black screen stream? Sounds fantastic

kek I thought she was just posting shit as usual on her sub account, but if this is her way of slaying rrats then it's pretty childish

>>90709626
>5 days with a single hour of activity aka meeting
So, essentially a full on free day, wake up, make a call, confirm the schedules/request items/provide feedback and move on with your day. 6 rest days per month for B-list talent is fucking great.

>>90709804
>we
Who is this "we" you're talking about?
Are you straight up anti-ing FBK and calling her a liar now?

>>90709793
It also highlights who is particularly close to management. I don't know why Japanese companies behave in such a childish way and pit their own employees against each other, it's really obvious to the observer and doesn't actually help the lap dogs they use to discredit their former staff because it makes them look like mean corporate drones.

>>90703583
Kill yourself :)

>>90709980
>really obvious to the observer
it isn't obvious to average observer

>>90709472
For a Hololive member that's frequently in charge of damage control, you have to admit Fubuki posting this was retarded as fuck.

This shit is really reminding me of late stage NijiEN. Women really can't help themselves, they always end up doing petty shit like this.

>>90709793
Thing is your points all ring hollow with the existence of Holos like Laplus and Shion who themselves have both had periods where they went loopy from their situations but managed to recover after a break with support from their company. Out of all the statements made by Holos on either Chloe or Faunas situations, Laplus had the most interesting and insightful one as to how the workload can mount but how it's entirely possible for them to end up working to a workload that suits them. Cover seem more than happy to meet talents halfway in regards to that.

So for me the take away for Fauna isn't anything to do with coping with workload so it's more likely to be creative differences over performances and appearances

>>90707088
Meanwhile there's absolutely nothing suspicious about the extremely sudden wave of anti Fauna posts overnight despite her practically being the darling of /vt/ for so long.

>>90703583
lazy whores

>>90705705
I mean, it's probably easier to balance your work/life when you don't have to stay up until gofuckyourself o'clock for bullshit meetings or 'homework'.

>>90710042
Anon, Fubuki doesn't give a shit about the ENs. She's never gone out of her way to engage with them or be involved with them.
If this is a comment on anything it will be specifically about the JP side i.e. Chloe's situation. And even then, she entitled to say her opinion on the topic seeing as how plenty of other JP Holos have.

>>90704235
this. even kronii told her schedule and barely any work.

>>90702836
mask off moment

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>>90702836
Being in Hololive is just like working in the coal mines.

>>90710039
Step up or step aside is the way of Cover. I frankly wouldn't see anything wrong with it, but management should be held to same standards, after Ina's visa fiasco heads should've rolled in public square.

>>90710171
The fact that it's about Chloe instead of fauna doesn't change that it's passive aggressive women shit.

>>90710259
HOLY SHIT SHE HAS TO WORK FROM 2PM TO 4PM???????????

>>90702836
I trust my friends over those who say they can't be my friends

>>90710167
Again if Laplus, a girl who had no real employment or life experience who went into this thinking it would be easy and who got a harsh reality check was able to work through those issues and end up being pretty happy with her work/life balance is able to do it then most others should be able to as well
Ultimately thought these things are personal and specific to the Holo themselves. Some will be better at it than others and others will be able to adapt and overcome. Some won't be able to. That isn't something to attack either them or their company over. It just is how it is

>>90710330
less than a part time job and making bug bucks

>90710259
Why do you keep posting this when you know this is her day off schedule?
Do you do it for guaranteed (You)s?

>>90710327
Or it's just important for them to not all get tared with the same brush. Assuming of course this is even a reaction to Chloe and isn't just Foob chatting her normal silly shit on twitter. Hell, it could easily be the case that Fubuki is currently not fully booked with projects and therefore does have free time. Laplus herself said that they can turn down projects if they don't fancy it or are too busy with other things

>>90705665
>>90705710
No, she went twice.

>>90710368
I had jobs when I used to go home at 10pm and I thought everyone else was a bit lazy, then I realised I was a retarded kid with no responsibilities or life outside work. Just because one person is ok with overwork doesn't mean anyone else should be. The fact that they are all having nervous breakdowns indicates there is an issue somewhere, I don't trust these damage control schedules that pretend like they do 1 hour of work a day and that also ignore streaming as if its a free time activity and not their job.

>>90709804
>we

>>90710493
Tarred with what brush? Someone quitting over a grievance doesn't indicate anything negative about any other employee, it does when they start to act like an attack dog.

>>90710299
Not necessarily: Cover has supported the smaller struggling members like Aki or azki in developing their own place/niche in the company. With that said, it's clear that if you're in Japan, you will be getting significantly more opportunities.

wrt mismanagement, Mel's situation was supposed to have fixed a lot of issues inherent with the talent-management dynamic but as we can see from Fauna's statement, Ina's incident, and even Altare's reason for going on hiatus, it seems that there's still a long way to go. If I didn't know any better, either the JP are hiding mismanagement really well or the lack of competent bilingual managers in the labor market is keeping the current group of dopes employed.

>>90709446
Feels inorganic and indirectly taking a jab at Chloe, but let's just see how things will go

>>90710540
>I don't trust these damage control schedules that pretend like they do 1 hour of work a day and that also ignore streaming as if its a free time activity and not their job.
this, especially when you dont know how much time is spent in transit and how it is spaced out, 4 hours of continuous work is one thing, if it is 1 hour meeting, 1 hour free time, 1 hour meeting etc then those 4 hours of work is a fucking 8 hour work day

>>90710540
>I had jobs when I used to go home at 10pm and I thought everyone else was a bit lazy, then I realised I was a retarded kid with no responsibilities or life outside work.
I mean once you show you can do that, that's what's expected of you and your too important to promote

>>90710752
Struggling members support is part of "step aside" politic in my opinion. Once its confirmed you're not up to the snuff, but want to continue working for the company they'll arrange you a place but thats about it, if you want a bigger scene - kiddies gloves comes off, its free for all.
>>90710540
Its not your average 5/2 middle class job either, they are global talents, they have access to incredible amounts of resources, they have fanbases willing to provide for them almost unconditionally, its beyond your average job scope.

>>90710962
My willingness to quit at any moment made me a senior in less than 3 years and then I still quit because I burnt myself out. Just observing their output I think they are overworked, they do 3 or 4 jobs simultaneously. They stream, produce music and mvs, generate and manage merch and then perform at giant live events, some do more and organise their own events, any one of these is a possible full time job on its own.

>>90710752
QRD on the Ina incident, unless you mean the visa one.

>>90710522
when was the second time?

>>90702836
>Translating with Google instead of DeepL
Disregarded.
Give us an accurate translation instead.

>>90711331
Is the visa one.

>>90711520
Hi, I am n1 in Japanese.
Fubuki said that Fauna is a lazy vegan bitch.

>>90711611
I belive this

>>90709933
Me and the other anon?
>I'm now an anti for asking anon to use his brain instead of blindly trusting her
No matter how you spin it, the tweets on her sub account smell like damage control

>>90711070
None of those resources mean anything when streaming alone would be enough to make any of them wealthy beyond reason. The job scope is massive solely as a way to prop up a giant corporation, the only people who gain something are the ones with idol and music dreams.

>>90711297
I heard different figures but generally the "homework" can be anywhere from 3 to 5 times as much as the streams themselves. I don't know how the hell Kaela or Koyori or Calli do it.

>>90711701
>can be anywhere from 3 to 5 times as much as the streams themselves.
sure if you only stream 30 minutes

>>90711611
I'll go along with that

>>90711701
They are simply good at managing their own time and know their limits

>>90705532
YES PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE

>>90710171
I thought Holo is about being wholesome, not about women talking smack to the soon to be ex coworker. Do Holomems forget about their wholesome persona?

>>90703615
Everyone who believes this is either naive, retarded, or both.

>>90711332
This year's Holofest

>>90709933
Is Fubuki beyond reproach now? I don't anti her, but I don't think she's the ethical litmus test she's making herself out to be.

>>90711894
What are you talking about
This is based

foxes eat rats

>>90703615
>holoanti degending hololive
What a time to be alive
What a funny creature - the leftist chud.

>>90703615
Chloe clearly said that the main reason for her leaving is that she found something else to do somewhere else.
It's just Fauna that is blaming it 100% on management.

>>90709153
There's a lot of biological difference involved. My irl friend basically shuts down from 10pm to 7am, I can freely operate on 4-6 hours a night just fine. Then there's Kaela who literally has a mutation allowing her to sleep for like 2 hours a day. So maybe Chloe has some bad genes.

>join a prestigious company that near enough guarantees you automaic success
>However in exchange you have to work hard and there will be a lot of demands on your time since the company wants to maintain it's prestigious reputation and ability to make all of its talents automatically successful

It's not a difficult equation. Especially for the newer girls who should be in no doubt from the moment of application that Hololive isn't some sort of easy ride. Of course there is a difference between being told that "you will be busy" and then finding out what "being busy" actually means in context but still, it's hardly an unknown quantity now. The only talents who would have a defence of "not knowing or reasonably expecting what life would be like in Hololive" are the girls in JP Gen 1 and Gen 2 and an argument can be made for this for EN1 and ID1. All others will have gotten into this with their eyes open as to what was expected of them and what their workload would be.

>>90711883
Bold of you to assume that this machine translated tweet was directed at anyone in a malicious way and not just a talent chatting about their general daily life with their fans

Lol holofags really want suck corpo dick so hard so they all trust all these robotic scripted praising company came out of nowhere to throwing one of their most loved member under bus

>>90712117
Within a year then equation shifts and now you're a popular, sucessful streamer who produces massive amounts of income but you also have to do all this corporate shit to sustain a company of 500+ middle managers who make shitty tech products nobody wants. The exposure is a 1 time thing then the juice is no longer worth the squeeze, expecting company loyalty is retarded.

>>90702836
>>Meanwhile FBK
lol

>>90712288
Anon, these tweets are about a talent having some free time. Nothing about "praising a company"

Turn the factional autism down a bit

>>90711694
Top half of the holos could retire right this moment and never work a day in their lives. They already past the "living expenses" stage, unless they actually gambled all of it on horse races. They stick to their employment for some other reasons, and probably those reasons are opportunities that being indie or in another corp simply can't provide.

>>90712324
A big company takes lots of people to operate: More at 11

>>90702836
i bet elira has a lot of free time too

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>Hololive is just like Nijizhanji now!
I didn't realize former Hololive talents attempted while in Hololive like Selen, were made to feel insignificant, ugly and useless like Vivi, have had the opportunity of their lifetime stolen from them like Pomu, or have had a hitpiece written about them by the company like Zaion
I'm sure I missed someone, but these should be enough to prove a point
So who should I believe, a corporation who hasn't done anything provably wrong since the Mel incident, active talents who haven't said anything inherently bad about the company, former talents who haven't said anything inherently bad about the company, or some Nijisisters gleefully flicking their bean because some talents they don't even watch left Hololive?
But by all means, don't stop on my account, keep crying into the void like the pathetic losers that you are, its pretty entertaining
>inb4 b-bootlicker!

>>90712466
>we aren't as bad as the blackest company active so we're good

Fubuki acting like this and potentially going mask off should be a 6th trumpet.

>>90712324
The equation never shifts though. It's literally what they signed up to.
They can either deal with it or leave and hope that they can take some of their Hololive momentum with them and make it as an indie.

It's very simple

>>90712363
The earliest members helped build the organisation and probably have some hand in running it, the rest either stick around because it's where all their friends are or because they want to perform on a stage, there's very little reason outside that

>>90712117
>in exchange you have to work hard
>Gura exists, Ina exists, Ame existed, Fauna existed, Mumei exists and lets not even go over the ones on the JP side, like Shion and Ayame
you don't even need to work hard, but even that seems like a collossal task for some

>>90712511
Trying to attach your own headcanon and drama to an unrelated tweet would never be trumpet material

Vegans are lazy, end of story

>>90712411
A big company that does what? Streaming takes a single person exploiting that person's popularity in a billion ways takes 500 more I guess.

>>90712503
>ignoring the whole second part of the post
proof in the next thread, ey sis?

I don't get it. What about Gura, or Shion, they were just being afk for like almost a year, if Chloe or anyone else who is really overwork, why don't they just do as Gura and Shion.

>>90712631
bro*
and the proof is in all your girls quitting retard lol

>>90712529
So then the equation shifts because the option to become independent appears. That option only becomes attractive when working in a company is much worse.

>FBK is management dog
With that in mind you can safely discard her opinion

>>90712651
Same thing as Ayame going on haitus for months and coming back with no issues while Sana got unpersoned due to non-streaming. Ayame makes money so it's excused.

>>90712620
Yes, Hololive is about a lot more than streaming and has been for years now, what's you point?

>>90706799
Fauna will be killing her channel so yes.

>>90712725
Sana unpersoned herself, she hated her time there.

>>90712706
*Fox

I hate how people can not nuance at all these days. Both the Fauna-Chloe statements and the otehr livers statements can be true. Management is not 1 single person and there is a vast variance of quality between them.
It's like this in nijien as well. Some are good friends with them Manesan, others have normal work relationships and others butt heads within reason. The selen incident was a case of someone needign professsional help with someone that gives out too many chances. Maybe we learn more details after the graduations for Fauna and Chloe.

>>90712743
But is it actually? These retarded apps they are making, holo earth who is using this shit? Even their live concerts only exist as a tribute to streamer popularity, nobody is attending for the musical abilities. Hololive only has worth through it's streamers who then shill a bunch of shit that funds the employment of 500 other useless people.

>>90712677
Still not an "equation shift" since the conditions of the job haven't changed.

Going indie is leaving the equation entirely and starting a newer and smaller equation whilst hoping that some of the good will you gained from your access to the previous equation is enough to sustain you.

There is no right or wrong answers. Just as long as whatever answer has been made in good faith

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>>90712660
So no proof? Cool. I bet you feel frustrated that your delusions can't be used against Hololive
>all
Lmao, only 80 more to go, sis

>>90712660
>all

Hyperbole, sis. And more people quit your company

>>90711932
Sure it was, Millie.

>>90713008
>more people
They have twice the talent pool as Hololive you moron.

>>90712975
I don't know why you're getting into an autistic syntax argument, the Vtuber does an equation in their head over the value of staying in a company, the possibility of being indie is a new variable that changes the equation, we don't need to argue about your inability to understand my point.

So many bootlickers on this board

>>90712180
You want me to believe FBK is an insensitive person who can't read the room?

>>90712937
>Innovation bad!
A company needs to grow, anon. Sure, they won't get it right all the time but if they aren't willing to risk developing new features then all they can do is stagnante

>>90713320
Trusting what holos said is being a bootlicker now?

>>90713320
This is a hololive board. If you don't like it, move to /trash/ and make a thread for non holos

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>livers

>>90713185
There is no "syntax issue". You are the one wedded to that nonsense. I'm just arguing in your terms.
There can be multiple reasons for someone leaving their job. Just like how there can be multiple reasons for a corporate holo going indie. They won't all be for reasons where you can get your drama/gossip fix.

I have disagreed with and left 3 different corporations in my working life. None of that was dramatic. Working at my current one and being happy with it currently doesn't make me a "bootlicker". Seeing colleagues leave my current employer because they are dissatisfied with their current lot and want a change doesn't mean I'm somehow "defending" my corpo by being currently comfortable and recognising that their experiences are not mine

>>90702836
I believe in Friend.

>90713320
still waiting for some evidence that holo did anything wrong, sister
the world doesn't run on make believe, but hey, maybe Fauna will say something damning so you people have something of substance to rely on other than your imagination

>>90712016
> Chloe clearly said that the main reason for her leaving is that she found something else to do somewhere else
Must be something absolutely huge, getting paid to exist by vtuber simps is a once in a lifetime gig.

>>90713359
>Read the room
That's a you issue. If you want to be overly sensitive and demand that everyone in the company enter some period of mourning where they can't talk about themselves and their issues sounds like retarded Zoomer mentality to me

And this is with you consciously ignoring that Chloe said that she was leaving because she wanted to do things that she couldn't do inside Hololive.

>>90712651
>Why don't they just treat their fans like atm and come back when they need to withdraw money?
Additionally, with Gura as the exception, Shion and Ayame are part of of the older gens. I don't know about management, but fans typically treat older gens more leniently.

>>90705243
"Holodrones hate the management, Nijidrones hate the girls, VShojodrones hate corpos, and Phasedrones just hate Kevin"

>>90713320
>Noo you are only allowed to either hate the talent or hate the company
>You are forbidden from having a nuanced take
Yikes

>>90713392
>Trusting what holos said is being a bootlicker now?
the problem is people are picking and choosing which holos to trust and then completely disregard what other holos say.

>>90713366
No a company doesn't need to grow, a publicly traded company does. What cover wants in terms of growth doesn't necessarily result in a more interesting job for the talent that builds that growth. Breaking the backs of that talent to fund a dubious future where all that changes is they shill for McDonald's and shitty cover anime instead of stream doesn't seem smart. A healthy arrangement would have been natural growth where the excess funds would be used to reinforce what they were good at, what they are doing is pushing at Mach speed towards a Disney sized corporation that shits money and they don't care what happens in between.

I'm sure there are guys in leadership positions who want to function like a tech/media conglomerate but the fact is they failed to build a tech company and made a talent agency instead. You can't just crowbar one thing into another.

>>90713811
All companies are looking to grow. Hololive was looking to grow long before it was publicly traded. Them introducing new gen is specifically them growing

What a retarded take. Especially when things like HoloEarth and the like all occured way before the stock market listing.

>>90702836
The right image is a dad joke btw

>>90713796
I trust the facts that 6 talents leaving the company in one year is grim.

>>90702836
>The frog is coming, the frog is coming oooooh oooooh
>かえるぞかえるぞぉおおおぅおおおおおおお
>I'm going home! I'm going home! Oooooooohhh!

Sisters can cry about it but the thing is that when cover has directly shown with talents like Shion and Laplus that they are happy to support both the mental and physical health of their talents and give them the time they need to get themselves back together and then start happily streaming again clearly shows that they are already vastly superior to 99% of other Japanese companies who would never recognize these things and actively punish them if they occured
Sure they arnt perfect but as a comparison to their nearest rivals and to the Jap workforce as a whole they are saints

>>90713588
I'm not really interested in interpersonal drama I'm interested in how corporation's behave and what hololive is attempting to do. You don't make weird passive aggressive tweets when your coworkers quit, and when your coworkerss quit they don't tank the stock price by 15% which then triggers other employees to think they have to defend it. This defence seems both privately motivated but also encouraged by management, we've seen other japanese corporations behave this way and if they had any sense they would explicitly tell their staff not to damage control because it makes things worse.

>>90714012
>Including the terminated ones in this
Not arguing in good faith, anon

>>90703583
maybe she is tired of these lazy zoomers who joined holo just to have easy money without putting the efforts. Fubuki have every right to shit on them as she was one of the people who built this franchise.

>>90713909
Hololive was always aiming to be a publicly traded tech company, the streamer shit was a diversion but instead of acknowledging the tech side was a failure they are trying to drag it back on the initial path. Now tell me why a company needs to grow? If everyone in that company is happy and successful and set for life then what is the reason for growth?

>>90714099
>Weird passive aggressive tweets
Spoken as someone who doesn't understand a word of Japanese and is also trying to link two unrelated things together

>Chloe leaves as she wants to do other things
>Fubuki tweets about suddenly having some spare time
>"THEZE THINGS MUST BE RELATED SOMEHOW!!!!"

>>90714138
5 talents then, so much better!

>>90702879
>universally negative reception
retard-kun... your reading comprehension.

>>90706550
I mean it might be optional but everyone would shitpost about her missing and she would look lazy to both coworkers and fans so she might be quitting out of shame for being too lazy that's what everyone assumed before she actually blamed management in her announcement.

Fubuki (and Miko) were the only ones actively hanging out with Coco during the China drama, you can trust them to uphold their values

>>90704892
Some companies cover your travel and some don't. Assuming it all goes one way is simpleminded, retard-kun.

>>90713749
>Holodrones hate the management
pretty sure they're falseflagging sisters, but if true, manchild behavior
>Nijidrones hate the girls
jealous lonely woman behavior
>VShojodrones hate corpos
gender studies graduate, soon to be homeless behavior
>Phasedrones just hate Kevin
I don't know who Kevin is, but based lol
never thought phasefags would be the least schizo in something, lol

>>90702836
This whole thing is rather disgusting, and the fact that the talents are coming out like this with their snark is the first time I've felt any type of unhealthy clique mentality from holos.
The talents who left just said they don't like the direction of the company. That is vague, so of course fans create a discourse about "it's too busy" or whatever, but that's not what was actually said. So for the talents to come and parade like fucking minstrels that "Me, personally, am having such a great, boring, time" is completely counter-productive and unempathetic.
I get that it is a direct reaction to fans drawing their own conclusions, but it is such a glip response that it really does portray a negative environment or management mandate that I've never seen before.

>>90702836
This has hard "an attempt, lmao" vibes.
>>90704865
おまえは「ニーガファーゴット」だ

>>90714201
Fubuki talking about how she has so much free time and that laziness is a disease at the same time as kronii, Kanata going into excruciating detail about their work schedules while others talk about how their work life balance is ok dont worry, while suisei is talking about how management shouldn't be blamed for departures is all a form of damage control. They know that there is a perception that they are overworking their staff and it's leading to retirements, whether it's true or not their staff should not be the ones they utilise to dispel rumours because it pits workers against each other and harms the reputation of all involved.

>>90714412
>some companies
>some
>this biggest vtubing company doesnt cover work travels for their employees
yup you are retard alright

>>90705705
Chloe said her main reason is she found something else she wants to do whatever that is seems like Cover contract came in the way so she left out of this new graduations Fauna and Aqua are the weird ones since they refused affiliation and blamed management and really Fauna is the weirdest one of them all with how she worded it.

>>90714201
anon, these women are clearly arguing in bad faith, grasping at straws just to make Hololive seem evil somehow
your reasonability is wasted on them

Calling this as some sort of passive aggressive damage control is a speculation at best and I say this as someone that never ever think Fubuki as canary in coal mine because that's inherently retarded.

>>90713392
We love our holos, but we shouldn't forget that every single one of them is a corporate employee beholden to their shareholder's bottom line. Hololive is no longer the small start-up studio with a handful of employees it once was, it's an international brand now, and a public one at that.

>>90705041
should haven't make a second idol group if she really want 'less' works then
stupid dumb BITCH

>>90709914
Again, even 1 hour is going to disrupt and potentially prevent a weekend excursion and depending on at what time that 1 hour is, it can disrupt your day as well.
If you start your day with that 1 hour meeting in the morning that's fine but say it's in the middle of the day, suddenly it disrupts your entire day and will have to plan around it.

>>90714633
There was nothing weird about it. It was just disagreement with management, which could be anything from relations with manager to larger company policy.
The additonal clauses was just so people wouldn't start looking for reasons like "oh she didn't like to do concerts", because she clearly saw all that discourse happening with everyone who left just before her.

Getting nijien family vibes

>>90712936
>livers

>>90714633
>she found something else she wants to do whatever that is seems like Cover contract came in the way
I can't think of anything that Cover can't give to their talents.

>>90714201
Can you provide me example of things that she can't do while she's in Hololive? Music, voice acting, TV appearances, etc are out of question. Heck, something like what Noel do in her rm account is even fine.

>>90714201
Chloe said what she wants is different from company policy, that's not the same as saying I got another opportunity it's a polite way of saying her goals no longer align with company operating procedure. It's also disingenuous to pretend like this 1 retirement is the only thing that has happened or is happening

>>90709626
> only hikki-neets who don't have friends or family think four hours a day of work is low
You will never be able to pretend that you're normal or that you know how normal people think. You're mentally ill, and everybody knows it.

>>90714561
>while suisei is talking about how management shouldn't be blamed for departures
she never said this.

>>90714633
Chloe said that the company changed and no longer alligns with what she wants to do which is basically the same as what everyone else said. It's obviously about the pivot away from streaming

>>90705379
Talents aren't allowed to own shares. If she owns them, she's being treated differently from the others. Although I suspect you don't have evidence to back that up.

>>90714913
Spontaneity. As indie you can do whatever you want, basically.

>>90715211
>Talents aren't allowed to own shares
Says who, because Sora owns them as well. I would bet all the girls in gen 0 and 1 were at least at the start paid in stocks to keep immediate costs down.

>>90715334
Sora is a founder of the company. Do you at least have evidence on her?

>>90714913
What if Fauna wants to stream War Front: Turning Point that isnt even sold on any store front and one of the publishers are bankrupt. Do think the perms guy will get her perms for that?

>>90713008
nobody likes nijisanji you retarded cockgobbler

>>90709153
it's a pretty realistic take anon. people usually have different habits and as such they like to spend their times differently. I've had people quit jobs I was pretty ok working in because the time that our superior asked for us to get on the office was too early for them. they were better programmers than me but I could sleep less and stay on that job for a longer time (they eventually found a better position anyways)

Why are there people in this thread pretending like Chloe didn't cite workload as a reason for quitting, im watching it right now and she explicitly points it out as a major issue. Why are people lying in this thread like it's an official cover forum?

>>90707905
>Isn't funny how she shot her foot with that? Way to go exposing this monstrosity
More like you're exposing yourself as a pussy of a drama-queen who doesn't understand how the world works. It really isn't a lot of work, which is obvious to every adult who has worked a real job,

>>90715255
>Giving up on all of the opportunities over spontaneity
If she has been around as long as Aqua and have done a lot of things then fine I can believe that, but really now?

Do you think Fauna's boyfriend forbid her from traveling?

>>90712503
>the blackest company
with the blackest fans as well. niji is a fucking disease

>>90714201
I'm sorry anon but chloe didn't say she was quitting because of workload (and neither did fauna for what matters)

>>90715438
Saying you don't need to sleep as a reason for why you're able to put up with your job is completely retarded. Firstly because you do actually need to sleep even if you think you don't and that sleep should have nothing to do with your job if you are working sane hours because nobody is asking the Japanese members to wake up at 3 am every morning. Saying Chloe needed a full night's rest is also retarded because it indicates that this is somehow abnormal.

>>90715450
What else other than their own ego? With how much they are trying to make the brand as their identity, they will look bad too if the brand looks bad.

>>90715580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGL-ufb1wig
She explicitly cited it as an issue and even goes as far as saying it felt like being constantly chased. You don't work for cover, you don't need to lie on their behalf.

>>90715334
It's true that a startup company can give stock option as payment, usually for early employee but the problem here Sora is an exception, she joined Cover when Hololive didn't even exists, you can't just use her as an example.

>>90715605
Man, what are you on about. The original post says "Chloe likes to sleep a lot". That doesn't translate to "Chloe needs to sleep" going from English to English.

I want sleep like 4-8 hours after waking up on days where I'm not forced to go to work and this fucks me up on work days sometimes because my sleep schedule becomes weird. That's what sleeping a lot might look like.

>>90710540
>Just because one person is ok with overwork doesn't mean anyone else should be.
It goes both ways. If you feel as if you work too much it doesn't mean that anyone else should feel that you aren't just lazy and entitled.

>>90715605
>don't need to sleep
but I didn't say that
>and that sleep should have nothing to do with your job if you are working sane hours
it depends really. I was working a normal job (8 hours of work) but my boss wanted us to get in the office at 7 am so I had to get up by 6 am (the catch is that I was playing until midnight. I could have slept more but I chose not to). some people don't want to wake up taht early so they quit. it was paying me well enough and I was ok with waking early/sleeping less
>Saying Chloe needed a full night's rest
that's not what you posted. is this what laplus actually said? because this completely changes the context of your post

>>90715933
I made both posts so I know what I'm talking about while you haven't even seen the source of the paraphrase. Laplus both said Chloe likes to sleep and also that she needs a full night's rest to function properly. Since human beings can't physically sleep for much longer than 8 hours it's is a weird thing for someone to point out when talking about work load and how one person can handle it and another can't.

>>90703056
this basically, she has a serious issue with food in japan since she can't just bring her own and treat it like a camping trip. there are animal products involved in damn near everything there as it turns out including the way most rice is prepared. why couldn't she just be vegetarian..

>>90715958
That's cool, then they all quit and everyone with a normal attitude to work comes to the conclusion that it's a company with a shitty workload. People are free to have differences of opinion but the fallout is real.

>>90716059
>posts something innacurate to he original source
>someone replies to the post
>throws a fit when people point it out
nigger

>>90716290
Nothing I said was inaccurate since she said both things, knowing that she said both things doesn't change my original point it reinforces it.

>>90716059
>Since human beings can't physically sleep for much longer than 8 hours
This one is just plain wrong mate

>>90716059
My guy, I don't care if you know what you're talking about. You aren't consistent in how you're communicating it. One day it's "likes to sleep alot", the other is "needs to sleep at all". Shit's retarded if you can't communicate a point consistently.

Also I don't think you know what sleep schedules can look like for people who don't work boring office jobs their entire life. NEETs and people with unusual working times (12, 14 hour shifts, night shifts, streamers etc) have weird sleep schedules.