How would you save it?
No more /lig/gers under any duress.
Shut it down.
>>90708172>>>/jp/
>>90708105Anyone who leaves is lying, and were never good anyways. They quit for the sole purpose of being lazy. And all the girls who stayed are good hard workers. If we work together to spread this truth we can protect Yagoo and Cover's image. Hololive only grows stronger!
>>90708105keep holos I likegraduate holos I dislike
>>90708105ughAfter doing my reps, a company in this sort of situation I'd normally try to escape ASAP. You can't fix stupid.Retarded middle managers who mismanage their time and scheduling so bad they have to force their employees to kill themselves finishing work if anything unexpected crops up that knocks them slightly off-schedule is the sort of stupid you can't fix.The knee jerk is to fire the lot and replace them all, but mass hiring is exactly how you get a company full of incompetent bean counters who can't adequately plan around disruptions or adapt to save their life.Ironically, it's a "talent" issue, despite their public facing talents being incredibly high quality. The "talent" of their backend workforce is utterly abysmal.
>myth and promise hired by some no one who had no idea about idol company>these girls thought they got hired just for streaming games>leaves>actual idol fact check during hiring started from gen 3 and so forth
>>90708422This
>>90708105Let them collab with Pippa. After that no dramatuber will touch them
>>90708105Tie them to the computer to stream 24/7. No work. Just stream. Bathing streams. Toilet streams. Sleeping streams. All the streams burgers love.
>>90708105Burn it to the ground
>>90708620>Toilet streamsNo one would want to see that
>>90708752you would be surprised
>>90708105Shut down StarsDebt financing from top American banks to buy back all shares taking company privateShut down StarsImplement improved talent screening, identifying those with low work ethic and the bad kind of mental illnessesShut down StarsNew characters will be discussed with incoming talents so they have an input but they must actually play that character, the real person should not be showingShut down StarsBan relationships for talents outside the company Shut down StarsOrganising remaining talents into idols and whores. Will be on a voluntary basis for those that want to be idols, who will be first in line for sponsorships, promotion, events. The rest can remain streamer focus (except for mandatory HoloFes, respective language milestone events)Shut down StarsDeport FUWAMOCOShut down StarsIncreasing outreach to indies and other agency for verified idol pure talents which establishes Hololive as the top place to be by comparison with lesser places Shut down StarsShut down StarsFire perms guy, remove perms requirement, legal action against anyone that questions if talent has permission to stream a gameShut down StarsHololive Animation (dedicated team for a 2D/HoloGra full length) Shut down StarsGura in Smash
>>90708105Move jp speaking en members to jp branch and then shut down en branch
>>90708105They don’t need to be saved
>>90710352I always used to joke about how CEOs contribute nothing of value to their companies and are a giant fucking money sink. That any random person could probably replace them without causing more damage to the company than the CEO costs.I apologise to all the investors I called retarded over this. You were right.
>saving the company >instead of saving the talents FROM the company
Eliminate the homos, give a raise to whatever team created Advent and put them to work right away in finding more talent and during 2025 tease HoloEN 5th gen for a month and then debut them in like May or June, then right away tease the first HoloEN DEV_IS_en gen and debut them during early November.
>>90708105as long as the shark stays, it's good. everyone else is bland.
>>90710352A closeted fag made this post.
why save
make the next gen a:big booty ebony goddessshort stack brazilian with a lispclingy asian with bpdand a white chick with glasses that can’t spell (has hairy armpits)
>pay off Gura and Mumei to delay their graduation till 2026>encourage the formation of units outside of their official branch>Hire some of CC's /lig/ger friends to form a new center around CCGG
>>90708105Go private again
>>90708105>public sharesThey wraped their lips around a shotgun muzzle when they made this decision. It can't be saved anymore and even the talents know it.
>>90708105>option to have someone else record your fes dances for you, including other holos if need be since they already know the moves>option to opt out of any shill crap (I think they actually already have that however)>managers are rotated around periodically so nobody feels stuck with a bad one, they all can help with stuff potentially>if 3am meetings are a real thing because JP time zones, they're optional and the girls can just send a list of questions/concerns (if any) for their managers to ask in their stead at the meeting>perms is such an annoying ever-persistent issue and IIRC we were once told it's literally just an excel spreadsheet they have to look through. that's no good, they need an internal website with displays of what's currently available, what is soon going to be or not be available, and a requests panel where everyone can see what's being requested and what the status is on why it's not there yet>anonymous complaint box function (if there isn't one) where girls can lay out serious concerns about anything
>>90708105Fire whoever fucktard management who had an issue with Fauna and beg her to come back. Gura will and Mumei will 100% return.
>>90717636
>>90708105More daki's
>Ina deals with projects falling through to the point where she got burned out on drawing for over a year and a half >Ends up getting her fucking VISA fucked up due too bad management, losing out on tens of thousands of dollars due to having to shift around project dates and not getting a refund from Cover>Immediately throws Cover under the bus but explains she's still going to remain for years and that it isn't all management, but just one or two of the higher ups>Fauna has disagreements with management>Just leaves with no explanation?????????Meanwhile Ina's over in Japan having sex with Bae and meeting up with Mori regularly. What exactly could management have done to warrant such a decision for Fauna?
>>90708105by letting it die
>>90721638Fauna has a spine and knows when to call it quits. What they did to Ina is incompetence of such magnitude that they should be sued and Yagoo forced to do a dogeza during a press conference.
>>90708105The way things are going it's going to be all hapas + Mori soon.
>>90708105only english speaking asians
>>90708105Multiple 10k outside of Fauna yesterday, just let it play out people don't/will not care in a few weeks, heck they don't even care about it now, same numbers.
>>90708105It was already saved when Advent debuted and justice reinforced it.
>>90717636>Gura will and Mumei will 100% return.
>>90708105Fire Mori.
>>90708105Disband the first two gens and make a new gen with only Bae, Kronii, Kiara and IRyS. Prioritize collabs between the old guard and newcomers to solidify their future and eventually push for them to graduate to make space for new chuubas
fire the homos, ease up on the JP meeting autism, pay for flights etc, let the talents file their own permission requests, shut down less of the talents ideas for projects, bring back panties for the 3d models and unique hololive summer swimsuits
>>90723634Based, Yagoo should follow this down to the letter.
>>90708105From the moment I understood the weakness of the corpo, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of indies. I aspired to the purity of the blessed indie. Your kind cling to your corpo as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass that you call a company will wither and you'll beg my kind to save you.But I am already saved. For the indie is immortal.
>>90708105Separate it into a separate company from Cover altogether.I don't know why Japanese Corpos think they can run an American/English business like they run a Japanese business where everyone is in driving distance from their corporate headquarters and asking them to visit several times a month is a normal thing to do.Then again, I don't buy half of what anyone is saying for why people are leaving or if it's even having any problems at all right now. So it's hard to tell what the exact solution would be without understanding that, first. Even still, they should have never entered the English market under the Cover umbrella without first having an established company with managers and a separate CEO who speaks english heading it.
>>90723926>Separate it into a separate company from Cover altogether.I like this idea
>>90723820Don’t pervert the Memechanicus quote this way, /lig/gerfaggot.
>>90723926Sure, let some Californian shitbags run HoloEN, what could go wrong?
>>90724149>Sure, let some Californian shitbags run HoloEN, what could go wrong?Forget about what could go wrong and think about what could go rightLike it dying and not existing any more
>>90724149>What could go wrong?Genuinely nothing, having middle managers they can answer to IN ENGLISH who do meetings in their time zones instead of having branch meetings at 3AM in the morning alone would drastically improve employee sleep schedules and mental health, alone. This is why the majority of foreign companies do this EXCEPT for vtuber companies, it seems. Vtuber companies think it's OK to ask someone to stay up to 5AM for a meeting with their manager and his manager, and that's fucking stupid. No company should be ran that way. Even if it means a bunch of screeching SJW Californians start making them preach trans rights, at least they won't be unhappy.The #1 problem I've seen from all of these reports (again, we don't know what exactly is wrong because we can't trust half of what anyone is saying, they're all allusions to things and not hard facts of what happened) is that managers are putting some of the work they should be doing (Ina's visa, anyone?) onto talents and the managers at Cover who are over those managers and their talents don't speak the same language but they expect to have the same working relationship as if they work in the same office. That's just absurd. No foreign-language company operates like that normally. They should answer to a singular CEO at a singular company who doesn't expect them to do work in Japanese. But again, what do I know? I'm posting rrats on the internet based on othe rrats. None of us are speculating in reality because we don't know what the reality even is. we're basing this on speculation.
>>90721638Different people have different limits and priorities.
>>90724691>managers are putting some of the work they should be doing (Ina's visa, anyone?) onto talentsThis is a huge problem I've noticed. The streamers have to buy their own equipment, do their own IT, their own thumbnails, etc. No serious corp would even allow employees to use personal equipment on company networks. Even our contractors gets loaner laptops.
>>90724524You could also die and benefit Earth’s oxygen levels today.
>>90723064who
Let them react on Twitch and have fansly accounts
>>90725059Nah
>>90725183Okay though but why are they so against Twitch as a platform? It's clearly way more open and accepting than Youtube for content. I know it's likely because twitch isn't really a thing in Japan. But that still goes back to why they want to run the English branch like it's just a long-distance version of the Japanese branch. Japan and America's internet cultures are different, they should be catering each branch to those differences. A big thing I notice with vtuber companies in general, lets not pretend this is holo specific or that holo is even the worst at this because there was that JApanese vtuber corp who did an exit scam on its talents not even a couple months ago, is that they seem to think that people over here care more about the company than the talents. Or that they can buy good PR when it becomes undone over here. That may be true in Japan, but here it just makes bad problems worse.
>>90723926You're being too rational what are you doing in this board.
>>90708105eject traitors to phase as invaders
>>90725956It's a branding issue. Consumers are fickle and are easily turned away. If a prospective new customer hears about a hololive stream for the first time and heads to youtube but finds nothing there, they will just give up instead of checking twitch. It's why people are still on twitter despite all the new competition. Nobody wants to check both places for streams.
>>90708105aquire nukesnuke SEAnuke india extra hard nuke Israel because of coursenuke germany to punish their gay green party for tarrifing and scaring almost everyone out of using nuclear energynuke hiroshima to remember the good old timesnuke mexico to lower the amount of shonen tards by at least halftry figuring out which part of russia is worth nukinggive up and just blow up some potato field making them die from alchohol withdrawlnuke california for the good of all amerikansnuke lake langley before the cia fags start up their UFOs nuke the kiwis for being smug shitterslet Australians suffer with their choicesgift a nuke to Scotlland and watch them use it as a car bomb on the britsnuke middle east for fucking camels there. that way all the shit stires are dead or far to busy to bother the surviving hologirls
>>90724691Why too rational for /vt/
>>90708105Give more autonomy, have a staff that does operations in english aside from the larger stuff that involves the full company. I've heard so many stories from ENs about being ghosted and requests getting lost in the machine
Anyone in management hired after Myth is fired. They are all incompetent nepohires after they came into a boom of success
>>90708105Fire Mori
>>90708105well personally I'd fire every person except fauna and then when fauna says "no, no! that person was actually good to me!" id make an exception for that person
>>90725046vtuber corpos must actually be so cheap to run once a few talents get even modest 3view successbut they’re nips so they’ve muddied it with red tape and meaningless paperwork
>>90725956Browns have shit internet and can't access twitch
>>90734366Twitch is huge in Latin America
>>90725956Personal rat: You can't bot as easily on twitch much harder to not get caught. Hololive talents lose on average, 80-95% of their audience when they stream on twitch. That's not a normal amount of viewers to shed if they watch them consistently no one else has that drop. Can't say for sure but my guess is that Cover is moving away from streaming in general because botting just became illegal in the united states. If they botted their streams and used those stats to impress investors they need to pull out as fast as possible or find real viewers or their company won't be able to legally operate in the United States in any capacity if that's true. They wouldn't be able to stop botting immediately either because it would be obvious and look bad. The FTC is now aggressive about it, especially when it can be shown to have direct correlation to investors buying in, or for sponsored streams to secure higher payments.
>>90735761>the site that count embedded views for a stream is harder to botyou are to retarded to live. make darwin proud and go ti detroid or something
>>90735969Embedding isn't considered botting by the FTC and twitch doesn't care either. But actual botting is caught and banned almost immediately.
>>90722093Ina is Korean, Fauna is white. Simple as
graduate homos
>>90708105By hiring only european managers.
>>90708105Take it off the stock exchange
>>90710352>Debt financing from top American banks to buy back all shares taking company privateVery good idea my fellow white.
It's over
>>90708105Bring back solo hiring
>>90708105Holotori concert
>>90708105-either fire/sell stars or rebrand them into non-idols-Hire for EN5 and EN6, focus on finding smaller creators. They have more drive.-Remove unnecessary middlemen. Only have branch manager and like 5-10 managers for talents. Make sure they understand western work values or just hire NA managers.-weekly branch-wide collabs-build a 3d studio in like texas or some shit instead of making them fly to jp.-Cut perm requirements. It's only a jp issue.-facilitate talent projects instead of outright shutting them down.
>>90735761Now THAT is a spicy rrat
>>90708105Can't be saved. Anything that needed to happen would've had to happen before 7~ talents publicly threw Fauna under the bus to run defense for the problems being caused.
>>90736074I don't think ESLs actually know what botting means. I think they just think it means "views against my narrative".
>>90725956>Twitch as a platform? It's clearly way more open and accepting than Youtube for content.LOOOOOOLLLLMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO even.
>>90708453>The knee jerk is to fire the lot and replace them all,the problem is you're stuck in two-dimensional thinking.why do you need to replace them?
>>90710352>they must actually play that character, the real person should not be showingout of all the monumentally retarded ideas, this is the most retarded
>>90721638>losing out on tens of thousands of dollarswatch streams. it was a SUGGESTION that she cancel everything, she didn't actually do it.
>>90744826>soulless globohomo artLMAOThis is a good sign to know if a company is doomed or not
>>90708105Privatizing is not an option and will never be an option at this point for Cover. The money is too big now. I know 95% of /vt/ are right wing /pol/fags so you guys are going shit yourselves in rage when I say this but perhaps the women should consider unionization as a deterrent to the shareholders.
>>90708105I kind of hope for a vtuber apocalypse at some point next year or the year after. vtubers are already rather boring. a huge industry wide destabilization would make it interesting again.
>>90710352>double down on the idolpigging>disincentivize streaming furtherComplete misunderstanding of the issue, the concerts and merch sell because of the streaming services provided by the girls, not the other way around. After the 80s nobody in the world has ever liked idolshit for the inoffensive dancing numbers, the girls are the top attraction.
>>90708526>mythWhat are the chances Cover becomes as big as they are now if they went with your idea? Without the ones that they got, they would only be as good as Phase right now if they went full on idol. Its not like they are able to poach other company talents at the time.
>>90723820>>90724052Corpo or indie, the Adeptus Mechanicus has no use for w*men waving their milk-appendages in the faces of the laity, tempting them with the foulness of the fl*sh.
>>90746838>>either fire/sell stars or rebrand them into non-idols-Eh, Tanigo would sacrifice Soda for his beloved homos, regardless of shareholders. Look at how long those loss-leaders have been on the roster.>>Hire for EN5 and EN6, focus on finding smaller creators. They have more drive.Shareholders only see 3 successive hiring drives failing to approach, let alone surpass the success of the first. It's not subs or ccvs, because streaming isn't the breadwinner: it's been merch.The call may thus be to focus on what's already capitalized and diversify the revenue from the existing IP stable. Diversification hinges on IP-recognition, and EN01 --regardless of ccv-- is more recognizable. That's why Ame has to stay officially listed, while Fauna can fuck off.>>Remove unnecessary middlemen. Only have branch manager and like 5-10 managers for talents. Make sure they understand western work values or just hire NA managers.-Maybe, but the root cause of difficulty isn't down at talent-management level. It's from higher up, where IP plans, revenue diversification, and marketing are decided. The MBA's in those departments know almost nothing about vtubing.>weekly branch-wide collabsGood luck with the Goober.>build a 3d studio in like texas or some shit instead of making them fly to jp.Ame already tried that.Cover however has to shovel work towards their white-elephant mocap studio to justify its sunk-cost. Can't afford to look like a mistake was made with shareholder money.>>Cut perm requirements. It's only a jp issue.That's on game-rights holders. Besides...There's a star pecking order on which talent gets first dibs, on top of game-rights holders wanting superstars pushing their games.JP superior race.>>facilitate talent projects instead of outright shutting them down.You're assuming those projects proposals aren't shit. Besides, (excluding the shark,) if an EN talent has a good idea, all it takes is a JP catching wind of it and wanting it for herself, and the EN talent is frozen SOL.
>>90735761>You can't bot as easily on twitchKanae.
>>90751244>loss-leadersA loss-leader is called that because it's sold at a loss but makes up for it by attracting customers that spend further on other products that do turn a profit. See $1 hot dogs at Costco.Having failed to attract an audience, homostars aren't loss-leaders. They're just losses.
>>90735761>You can't bot as easily on twitch>>90736074>actual botting is caught and banned almost immediately
Fire anyone who doesn't stream more than 40 hours in a month unless they're actually hospitalized and bedridden, no exceptions.Explicitly keep EN non-idol from day 1.Have HomoStars EN from day 1 to ward off as many schizo pagpag thirdies as possible.Hire actual dual-linguistic EN managers, with at least 75% of them being JSL instead of ESL.Personally send trained yakuza assassins to whichever retard told Hiroshimoot we needed a vtuber containment board.Don't go public ever for any reason, ever, even if it means the company fucking dies.
>>90708105Looks fine to me.
Hire Elia Stellaria.
>>90725075u tell me
Ban any gfe and asmr, make the company private again, fire the entirety of management, fire every other non essential staff, get a competent producer that can and is willing to make each of the girls' stream ideas a reality + managers that can handle the logistics, reduce the idolshit on the EN side since clearly almost none of them actually want to do it, set aside a budget per talent to rent out a local studio for those that want to do 3D events or recordings, give them a bigger chunk of superchat earnings or outright swap the merch/superchat profits for the talents, no more of this shorts/spats bullshit, panties, thongs or commando dor every 3d model, mandate 1.5-2 weeks worth of streams per month unless it's a serious health issue
>>90751804Rare wisdom from the channel. It truly is the end-times.
>>90751804Get rid of the idolshit and turn into a full time streaming company
>>90751552lol. good catch.
Did you see it?
>>90708105There is nothing to save :7 graduations3 terminations2 affiliate 1 staff In 7+ years is a damn good record compared with the competition
>>90708105towa
Declare bankruptcy. Start again with the remaining talents. Never go public and use my experience to better control the speed of my growth.
>>90749206>it was a SUGGESTIONNo the fuck it wasn't. I do watch streams and it's not a suggestion to just "not do it" because Ina literally can't work in Japan until January. The "suggestion" was for Ina to just stay home since she can stream outside of Japan just fine. Ina herself lost tens of thousands of dollars on project stuff that Cover isn't comping her for.
>>90751636Not saying to do this or advocating for this, but it needs to be reported to be bannable. Japanese don't seem as familiar with it being a negative and tend to do it much more often and think of it as an ends justify the means sort of thing towards profits.
>>90708105nothing wrong with it just some dumb vegan bitch throwing a fit because she can't eat amerilard "vegan" slop in a country twice as healthy as her stupidass
>>90708105Restructuring management system. >Give management bonuses depend on talent's performance. Great viewership - good sub rise - good sc - good merch sell - viral content all deserved it>Give all talent a hotline discord so they can give feedback about their management quickly to the top manager>Activity review from both talent of manager every 3 months>Fire Mel's abuser. Give all evidences to the cop>Kick blackrock and dei hire outThat's all I can think of for now
>>90755938but back in reality, the majority of those were in the last year, and the majority of THOSE were in the last few months.nice try, corpo bootlicker.
>>90708526>>myth and promise hired by some no one who had no idea about idol companythis desu. i know a few American Jpop idols who would love to be in their shoesits the reason why they started to hire former idols now
