>management mismanaging graduation timings
People will still think everything is perfectly fine. So where's the New Year's Countdown line-up? Surely it's happening, right? Surely we're not "growing" out of not doing another big annual holo event, right?

>>90708223
Did Choco always have a fang?

>>90708223

Cover: So everyone's going to have to come over to Japan for a few months again to rehearse and perform for the Fes
Fauna: Look, I can't do this anymore, you know my issues with travelling out of country, let me pre-record my segment
Cover: No. Everyone must be here. Get your shit sorted by the time we are ready to announce the Fes
Fauna: Look either you let me pre-record my parts or I'm out. Pick one
Cover: We're not making an exception for you.
Fauna: Right I'm graduating

Honestly seems the closest to what happened in my head. Fits with how pissed Fauna was, and how the other ENs seemed generally fine with what was basically a professional disagreement for a single talent, if sad about the outcome, while some conceded Cover's direction being at the very least inflexible in some way. And JP holos basically shrugged since they didn't really understand the fuss; the studio being a simple train/taxi commute away for them.

It's not a ragebaiting rrat though.

>>90709687
i mean, sounds pretty realistic for most international companies really

>>90709687
This seems actually plausible, way more plausible than the "fired" allegations.

>>90709687
Fauna said that she has no problem with singing or dancing but the time and place for that singing and dancing could very well have been the actual issue

>>90709687
It's either this, or because she was fed up with corpo permissions and bureaucracy.

>>90710176
Travelling constantly can be a bitch

>>90709687
>JP holos basically shrugged since they didn't really understand the fuss; the studio being a simple train/taxi commute away for them.

Shit like this is exactly why Biboo moved. Even the dogs moving makes sense when you consider the support Irys, Calli and Bae by being based in Japan. Though this also means that the other talent are in a more precarious position.

Oh god, I've been in the hobby since Gamers debut and never, never, realized that Choco has a surname too, I mean what the heck, who uses it anyways?

>>90710176
to save her lazy face

>>90709687
I believe this. It also helps that Fauna clearly wasn't in Japan last Fes either. My guess is "We built a new 3D studio and want EVERYONE to use it to show off its capabilities" was a big part of the new rule.

>>90710564
Now that you mention it, I believe Fauna was actually the only HoloEN who performed in Fes who was not in Japan around Fes time. Everyone else was there around the same time and talking about stories and a number of them did MCs too. Was there any other EN not in Japan or was it just Fauna?

>>90709687
Lmao, so basically it's just "Hey, go to office," and the freaking lazy, self centered person just doesn't want to moment

>>90710564
>>90710785
Even GURA was in japan for Fes recording, It was a big deal because she surprise jumped into the ame mori ina kiara karaoke that caused a lot of shitposting when kiara had to specify gura wasn't gonna be there, She also mentioned meeting FWMC and advent there at the time too on her stream, So it really could have just been fauna that wasn't there and that definitely lends credence for why she'd wanna leave

>>90708223
Lmao, what's stopping them for other talents that will become affiliate in the next four months?
By the rules of being affiliate, they could still be present in holofes..
Rushed Fauna announcement is understandable to be, Chloe's aint

>>90711126
Probably like a lot of workplaces honestly. "COVID is over. Remote working is no longer an option."

>>90711224
The affiliate announcement clearly says the talent will no longer participate in streaming AND events. We'll see if I'm proven wrong, but don't expect to see Chloe or Ame in March

I guess Fauna wasn't weeb enough to be Vtubing for a Japanese company.

>>90710286
From what we could see, she was the talent that most adhered to corpo permissions and bureaucracy in EN.
That seems very unlikely.

>>90708459
i half wish chatgpt made sense sometimes

>>90710348
Didn't we know that she wasn't even in Japan during last fest, it was prerecorded?

>>90709687
thats probably it, fauna suffers too much on japan with timelag and lack of vegan shit

>>90710564
Honestly if true it just makes me hate Hololive more for getting themselves into such big upgrade expenditures that they had to go public and now being more pissy with their ultimatums since they must please their shareholders constantly. Nothing wrong with settling with lower tech or slower upgrade trajectory if it would have averted all these devil’s bargains they seem to be making the last 2-3 years

>>90712108
japanese think that fish is vegan food as it is not meat for them

>>90709687
Can I just say having all the talent move to Japan is fucking stupid. Everyone will either have fucked up sleep schedules or have to overlap streams. Hell, I thought this was the reason they got Justice, so they can finally get some share of the EU pie

>>90712952
they are japanese they are idiots when it comes to business

>>90712952
They dont need to move to japan, thats the point.
Shiori does a lot of stuff without 3D for example, and so do jps

>>90713089
So why did Biboo and Fuwamoco move to Japan anyway?

>>90712711
>>completely ignoring the vulture capital startup deal coming due last year, forcing Yagoo to either sell completely or go public

You can prolly pin the monies wasted on metaverse BS on him, but otherwise Hololive was always on borrowed time. Considering what could have happened, the current deal is actually pretty alright. It's been well documented Yagoo's been successfully shielding the holos from a lot of investor BS, and he's got the shares to keep doing it.

Unless you're just baiting, in which case you'll find a lot more bites trolling over at the FBK tweets thread.

>>90708223
They're going to reveal that only Advent, Bae, and Mori will be performing from EN and that's partly why the EN girls have been so cunty lately

>>90709687
Everything except the MC sections is pre-recorded, you absolute buffoon.
Somehow they can sing an entire song and do a full choreo without fucking up, but only at concerts? Nah, you're just seeing the final take, sometimes it's even stitched together because it's just 3d motion capture data.

>>90709687
I’ll believe this. Doesn’t quite explain Chloe but I guess that would be why she’s affiliate instead.

>>90708537
banpire managed to convert her before the end
kapukapu

>>90709687
But Fauna liked her previous japan trip and women in general like to travel so what's the deal?

>>90709687
>People say its not because of idolshit
>It's actually because of idolshit

>>90713166
It's Fuwamoco biggest dream to move to Japan in the first place. On the other hand Biboo is quite open that she love to do 3d stuff with the studios and she move there so she wouldn't have to travel back and forth by plane whenever she want to do stuff with that.

The reason they graduated is because Black Rock suggested to train AI based on their voice and behaviors, to replace them in the future.
They had two choice: fuck off now or continue to train AI, profit now and fuck off in future.
So Hololive is heading to an exciting future: No 3DPD behind the avatar, your oshi become 100% virtual and never graduate. Black Rock is good guy here.

>>90713871
>The reason they graduated is because Black Rock suggested to train AI based on their voice and behaviors, to replace them in the future.
You're suggesting the affiliate clause is actually about the talent authorizing the use of their voice and IP (history) to train an AI replacement?
I don't know how hard cover goes on AI but it seems like something that will become real in a few short years.

>>90713665
She literally doesn't. She's the only member of EN that refused a 3D Live precisely because of travel and expense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3RLoW7I0gw

>>90713182
So what you are telling me is that with how they were initially structured and stood up financially, Hololive was a ticking timebomb and that it only managed to survive and go public and morph into whatever…this new version is due to its unexpected success?
Otherwise it would have just died a quiet death last year like most of these small and mid-sized vtubing companies?
The more I learn about business, the more it disgusts me, and no I am still disappointed with Hololive even if they have managed to achieve the lesser evil route

>>90710477
How about finding people for EN branch that are already living in Japan if that's as well might be a requirement? No, they'll find them from US and force them to fly to Japan monthly.

>>90714073
It’s kinda funny how Hololive blew up and became big enough to surpass Nijisanji on the backs of its global overseas fanbase but they seem to have little concern these days to piss off all but the most devoted and forgiving weeaboos these days

>>90710477
I mean, the thing about the Dogs, Irys, Calli, Bae is they literally LOVE the performing part. It's telling that the two girls that left on the EN side, singing really wasn't their strong point.

Yes, Fauna said she liked the Idol stuff.... but she may not enjoy being in a foreign country and avoiding meat everywhere to do it.

>>90714032
Can't find the clip but she spoke very positively from her last JP trip, so I assumed it wasn't something she hated it. I'm not sure how many times exactly Cover want the girls to come to Japan, if it's something 2x per year I don't think it would really an issue to be honest

>>90714048
Yes, except that it would have more likely imploded Kurosanji-style under a new owner that didn't give a fuck except to squeeze the company (and talents) dry. We could very well have seen a public and ugly revolt by the entire talent lineup in that scenario.

Yes, the way for-profit capitalism works sucks.

>>90714073
That would prolly apply for future gens (and partially applied for Justice already).
Consider that Council auditioned and signed contracts around 2021, when back-to-office restrictions were the new normal, and there was still a lot of uncertainty around when Japan's entry restrictions for foreigners would let up. Everyone's expectations of how things would work with EN scattered around the globe could have likely been very different from how it is now.

>>90714392
I don't follow Fauna so the only thing I hear is that she has a lot of issues with being away from home that makes being able to WFH permanently a top priority. I mean, she proved that she'd resign over it. (Granted, her dedicated fanbase is among the largest in HoloEN and a lot more likely to follow her to her PL, so there's less downside for her to leave.)

The “not wanting to travel” thing is going to be my working assumption until proven otherwise. It makes sense, paints all parties in the most believable, positive light, and isn’t a portent of impending doom.

>>90714016
Imagine your oshi stream 24/7, no 3dpd roomate, have a function to private chat with her members all time any time, can dance any move exist in Youtube... AI is the best and real "Virtual" Youtuber

>>90714608
Stop being gay

>>90714608
nice selling point blackrock-kun but like your name "black"rock suggests your a black investment group hard pass :D

>>90708223
>talents leaving, company in a shithole
>quick announce something to deflect

>>90712108
It's totally possible to spend a couple weeks, or even months in Japan as a vegan, but you have to do an effort to learn the language to read food labels.

>>90713610
man i miss choco openly molesting mel :(

>>90714392
she liked the trip itself, but she hated the timelag fucking her fragile vegan body + lack of vegan options in japan so she had to eat just tofu for the whole month

>>90709687
so she loves being an idol but doesnt actually want the effort to be an idol? sounds like a woman all right

>>90708459
I doubt the New Years Countdown will be happening this year. If we're lucky maybe we'll get a new Shuffle Medley, but I am not hopeful.

>>90713665
they don't sell overly processed, and overly salted vegan slop in japan for her retard diet to consume.

>>90712952
If anything living in JP and streaming at NA hours means a healthier sleep schedule for most of the members who are starting their streams between 8 and 10 AM JST while longer streams that start in the evening local time easily go past midnight.

>>90713166
>why do weebs work for a Japanese company anyway?

>>90714392
What the actual fuck are you talking about, Fauna was the one person who didn't go last time around because she had such an unpleasant experience the first time. She also refused to go to New York when even fucking Suisei went.

>>90722605
Korone didn't go either you shitstick
She was also pissed at management back then too because of issues with their song/choreo/MC she and Mumei were supposed to do thanks to everything being so rushed

>>90723073
Korone is JP.

sex with choco

>>90713871
You do realize if this AI future you want happens (which Fauna is fully in support of), then non-AI vtubers will just be irrelevant and poor while the ones who sold out would be the only survivors. Unless of course you acknowledge AI vtubers will never be that relevant and real vtubers can't be replaced.

>>90709687
Sounds like your average entitled college educated white woman

>>90709687
From what I heard EN members have to go to Japan up to four times a year for recording shit. It's a 12 hour flight from west coast to Japan so in 1 year a chuuba has to spend near a 100 hours of flight (probably more if they don't live on the west coast) and all the stress of moving your equipment and adjusting your sleep schedule, I can see why Fauna dug her heels in.

ew

>>90709687
I thought Cover never forced talents to participate according to Shiori

>>90708223
>Iyutsuki

>>90727933
Matsuri has said in the past that Hololive is a place where someone(on an individual basis) can do as much or as little as they want there. This is still kinda supported in the sense that many Holo members either stopped streaming for months, but that could just mean they're working while on those streaming breaks.
But then there are talents who literally come out from their hiatus and say they were just goofing around and going to disneyland everyday. It also doesn't even sound like they're lying either.

>>90714048
Hololive was founded to demonstrate Cover's face tracking product you idiot, why are you surprised?

>>90713503
Affiliate is to turn the girls into Gura, basically. The whole company is moving away from streams and to focus more on content like sponsorships.

>>90714319
The girls charmed the overseas audience, not the corpo they belonged to
Their agency had the benefit of doubt and now they're stretching it really thin

>>90711357
I believe their meaning is basically that they wouldn't participate in events unless ordered or hired to, basically.

>>90711126
I'm highly suspicious of cover, but this one time I'm gonna play devil's advocate
Some people are inherent, natural born cave dwellers (like me), and despise going outside for ANY reason, and feel extremely uncomfortable and nauseous being too far from home, as another example, it took me really, really long to calm down enough to properly learn to drive and not panic and deathgrip the wheel whenever I have to drive to/through somewhere I'm unfamiliar with. This may manifest in other people with more or less intensity
Fauna's case might be the same, where'd she'd try to comply the first time but it was just too nauseating to be a whole continent apart from home
That said, I dont know jack about fauna, but those are my five cents, some people REALLY hate not being at home and tourism shit

>>90713871
Take your meds.

>>90708223
this much sex shouldnt be allowed in one room

>>90724107
boohoo, 4 days of exotic traveling a year for literally millions of dollars and eternal fame and glory! Women are so fucking stupid.

>>90713727
>People say its not because idolshit (Fauna likes singing/dancing)
>It's actually because of idolshit (actually going to Japan to record singing/dancing)
Makes sense to me

>>90731829
And this is EXACTLY why Pikamee would never want to be in Hololive. Honestly surprised Aqua lasted as long as she did.

>>90732097
It is way longer than 4 days a year. Also I am pretty sure you have to pay for the flight yourself.

>>90732399
I mean 4 days of flight time, of course the actual visits are a few weeks. Still a tiny price to pay for success that most people can only dream of

>>90732240
Dooby studio of "ex Holo who want to do Idolshit but not fly to Japan" may be a reality after all

>>90732440
Well, people choose less money over comfort/work life balance stuff all the time. Fauna losing the Blue Dorito hurts her, but apparently she thinks it is worth it to never leave her house.

>>90731031
Cover wants to be the Nintendo of Vtubing. Big brand IP that will make them tons of money and expand into collabs and games and movies and maybe even an Amusement Park

>>90711126
Spending weeks or months away from home at a time can be exhausting, especially when you don't speak the language or know the area

>>90732822
And being a Vegetarian, Fauna has to be super annoyingly careful with everything in Japan.

>>90732097
im >>90731829 ,traveling, tourism, and overall exotic places are horrible nonsense, if not absolute normie bullshit for extreme cases of shut-ins

>>90727933
Correct, they don't. Just like Japanese bosses never force office workers to work over overtime, it's optional*

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>>90733670
Legally, this is correct. Japan has made it that you cannot be forced to work overtime. But they are absolutely shit at enforcing that, and thanks to bullshit collectivism, no one blows the whistle, even if you do manage to muscle the courage to say no. Worse, in order to not break the OTHER law about the maximum amount of overtime, you are pressured into not recording that you actually were working overtime.

>>90731829
it's way simpler than that anon. she's a fucking vegan in japan

>>90733910
How Vegan is her Veganism? Is she level 5?

>>90732399
> Also I am pretty sure you have to pay for the flight yourself.
No, Kiara made it clear that every expenses on Cover-mandated trips are covered by the company. That's why she decided to move her 3D recording to 2025 so she could do it on mandatory trip (she initially booked it in Nov but since there wasn’t any Cover mandated trip, she'd have to pay the flight and living expenses herself)

>>90714577
And if it is pretty sudden, it could be because she was at her breaking point. Maybe she knows if she wants to do this is as an indie, it will be easier and way less travel time. After all, she never did a 3D solo stream right?

>>90712952
Cover is happy when they get to hold a visa over their heads. Makes them easier to control.

>>90732399
No company would force employees to travel on their own dime. What the hell are you on?

>>90720438
You realize it's already been announced right

>>90735101
Anon the vast majority of companies in the world require employees to travel on their own dime
Never forget real costs

>>90712952
>Everyone will either have fucked up sleep schedules
Only if they want EU talents to move over. If anything, the NA talents would have better sleep schedule

>>90735101
>No company would force employees to travel on their own dime
Wouldn't that be lovely if it were true...

>>90727933
>>90733670
>>90733870
I get the feeling that you CAN.... but why would you WANT to? Unless you have a health/family/emergency issue. Fes is like 2 weeks of recording for a show that makes a significant chunk of the company's revenue and probably has good kickbacks per talent. If a girl with 1M subs and 150,000 active fans can draw even 5% of them to Fes for the company, why wouldn't someone want to do that? Haachama was notably absent, but that was due to health and break issues, not just skipping out.

>>90736142
>Haachama was notably absent

>>90709687
What's her issue with leaving the country? I'd prefer to leave for Japan whenever I could.

>>90722417
It is why Henya has a healthy sleep schedule. Morning in Japan, gets to have EPIC LUNCH TIME, and stream all day to get to sleep at a good hour. Genius.

>>90736142
>Haachama was notably absent
thanks for outing yourself

>>90735663
No it hasn't? There has been no information on the new year countdown live

>>90736454
People are misinterpreting what she said entirely. Her issue is not even going to another country, her issue is she gets lonely easily. And because she's in Japan, her foundation, her parents, aren't easily accessible when she gets real big bouts of loneliness in the middle of the day while she's waiting to do whatever she needs to do.

She doesn't like being too far away from her parents, she doesn't like being too far away from her cat. She does not mind doing it in short bursts, like for a week to record, but if she has to stay for months then it becomes a problem.

>>90736645
>>90736216
>Anon still hasnt eaten a spider

Akirose and Choco? Man, really digging some of the whoest whos out of the bag for this announcement. Couldn't get Sora or Foobs to hype it up and actually have people watch?

>>90737528
Aki's been blowing up this year. It's been "Her Year". it was going to be meru's too
If Aki announces it she'll have all the new eyes outside the holofanbox that she's attracted that comprise the bulk of her new viewership.
People who never would've known about or thought of attending a vtuber concert might try now.

>>90709687
>Few months
It's literally 1 or 2 weeks at most to record for fes. The only time they stayed longer was for their 3D debuts.

>>90737720
>been blowing up
>has eyes "outside the holofanbox"
So she's been whoring to normalniggers. Wonderful.

>>90708223
I wonder if Gura will be on the list. If not, then it's pretty much 100% confirmed.

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>>90720104
This one is easy to understand, traveling between multiple timezones sucks donkey cock. Did it twice and not planning on doing it ever again, that shit fucks you up for weeks. At most 4 time zones is still bearable but after that it gets bad.

>>90737978
A normalnig that watches Aki for more than one stream can turn into something beyond normal.
Even when she's collabing with just holos her viewership has been greater than before. Sure it could be just the shared holobox pool of subs, but I think it's just as likely that she's made some converts from the wider jp chuuba viewership pool that includes some normalfags.

>>90738170
Yeah, where do people think new vtuber viewers come from, thin air?

>>90713503
Chloe got a flesh idol gig afaiu

>>90709687
This take seem most reasonable and fit most thing as well.
>she only traveled to japan once in her entire career and that affected her a lot.
>she doesn’t hate performing but can’t do it under these conditions.
>a few oversea members move to japan.
If you are the only one that keep missing every time, you will feel pressured even if it’s not forced or even worse if you are the one that are dragging everyone down.

>>90708223
nice

>>90738077
I don’t expect Gura to be on any list

>>90709687
>It's not a ragebaiting rrat though.
That's literally what it is