>>90725499
because it happened way to close to the other 3 so it's sus and there are at least 2 other that look like they may leave too

>>90725499
They got way too emotionally invested in the pride & success of the company to realize the dirty little secret that graduations are almost always a positive thing for chuubas & talents.

>>90725499
/vt/ posters have shitposted themselves into the delusion that being in hololive is literally heaven for a vtuber, so someone wanting to graduate is shattering that delusion and exposes the reality that this is a job for the vtubers and cover can have internal drama and problems like any other employer.

>>90725499
TELL HER TO SAY SOMETHING THEN, SHE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN MORE HER SITUATION

>>90725842
>>90726048
So is this why some people are scrutinizing other holomems, treating them as if they bullied Fauna or using them as tools to attack cover?
You guys should be questioning cover corp, not treating the entire holo as cover's enforcers

>>90725499
Emotions are running high because we got hit with 2 announcements in 2 days and another EN had graduated a little over a month ago

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>>90725499
Because she went out of her way to blame it all on management and made it sound almost like she had no other option but to graduate.

>>90725499
Timing, this is all a rrat race

>>90726226
she doesn’t need to explain the reasons for her graduation in detail, that’s her freedom The ones who should be condemned are those using this news to attack others

>>90726360
that's just rrats from everyone being to vague and niji schizos trying to stir shit around as revenge

>>90725499
>Fauna wanted to graduate, and Cover let her go - that's the whole story.
That is factually incorrect. The risk is that whatever problems Fauna has with management may also apply to other people, and may result in more graduations. That is what is upsetting people.

Probably the timing. It came like a few days after Chloe announced her graduation

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>>90726226
Why?
Because (You) asked?
(You) (You) (You) (You) the important (You) the royal (You) the unquestionable (You)

Fuck (You)

>>90725499
Because people aren't stupid and don't appreciate being lied to. When every talent cites disagreements with management as their reason for graduating and all members say "hololive is changing", but no one will tell us how it is changing, that means that management won't let them tell us what those changes are. The only reason they would use such vague language and hide what these changes are, is if they know fans would hate it and turn against management.

It's no coincidence that all of this started happening immediately after A-chan left. For years, she was the direct voice to the executives for talent. She was forced out and now most holos have said they haven't talked to higher ups in a year, and instead are forced to go through their managers. Cover is throwing out the people who supported them and made them great.

It's very obvious what is happening. There were no events like bloom, blue journey, or the honeyworks collab this year. There wasn't even anything like holosummer. They are cutting costs to increase the value for shareholders, and are increasing monetization across the company at the expense of fans and the quality of hololive as as a whole. Anyone pushing back is being forced out.

>>90725499
its because blue dorito is supposed to be top dog and people leaving shakes that image. personally don't care, lemonleaf has been uploading silly stuff recently and I'm all for it.

>>90725499
>Vesper's video
>Magni's constant rants
>Gamma getting fired for a mysterious reason
>Altare taking a dump on management then going on hiatus
>Bettel also going on hiatus
>Ame not so subtlety shitting on Hololive management
>Aqua also not so subtlety shitting on management
>Iroha shitting on management
>Chloe directly says she's graduating because she doesn't agree with the company's decisions
>Chloe corona Yab
>Gura disappearing but actively baiting with her roommate
>Fauna also directly shits on management

It was a build up. That's for sure

Others are mad that some frail vegan girl is the one able to say no to some stupid shit managers imposed on them.

>>90725499
Because we've been hearing discontent with managerial fuck ups for a while and seeing it more for ourselves with constant projects delays and Ina's visa. If the company's internal structure has gotten so bad that a talent would rather cut ties completely, who knows what that means for their oshi's projects? Her graduation was the tipping point.

>>90726842
Based goofy

>>90725499
Fauna is more /vt/ and board culture adjancent than, say, if ina graduated.

>>90725499
Because she very specifically gave a reason for her graduation.

Add on top it came out of left field for many people, right after Chloe's announcement, etc.

>>90725499
People are using the graduation as a way to stir shit, essentially just engaging in console wars type discussion. The majority of it is insincere and just dramafags wanting to get their (You)'s. The situation is as you described, unfortunate, and likely a personal dispute with Fauna. Maybe she wanted to be able to record at a local studio instead of traveling to Japan, maybe it was something to do with the amount of incoming shill streams, who knows. We probably will never know and engaging in shit flinging isn't productive.

>>90725499
It's a symptom of the rot in Hololive. And personally I've just been expressing all the drop in quality and shit management I've noticed this year.

>>90725499
fauna's was just the last one of a really long year with more people leaving than ever.
if she had been the first one to graduate instead then it would've been different (still tons of shitposting obviously)
but being the 4th graduation and 6th overall led to a pretty emotional reaction from hololive fans that was picked up by shitposters and is now being spammed to shit on fauna, shit on cover, shit on the other girls, etc.

>>90725499
>this seems even worse than the Taiwan incident or the Selen situation
No. Not by a longshot.

>>90726360
No you dumbie, people have a problem with management. The girls who defend management are really suspect as well

I want to know why too. Fauna broke this board.

>>90725499
Autoimmune disease. Immune system of holo-fanbase, which is supposed to respond to niji-infection, attack healthy cells known as saplings, because they act like niji-infection on surface

>>90725499
>Why has Fauna's graduation caused such chaos on /vt/?
most of her fans and antis are brown

>>90725499
She's a holo.

>>90728783
That's ruffians and Adventrix generally. They're mostly all SEA.

>>90727485
No one cares about homos

>>90728982
Vesper was right btw

>>90727485
Good point, keeping the homos around has really been fucking things up.

>>90729152
>They don't count, they're homos
>They don't count, they're whores
>They don't count, they're lazy

This is how the Holodrones cope

>>90725499
It's not worse than the Taiwan incident. Game companies aren't pulling their games as a result of it or anything, but I'd argue its the most controversial thing since then.

>>90725499
Cause Fauna phrased it like shit and gave room to speculations in combination to Cover fucking up the timing by giving no room to breathe after Chloe.

This is the objective truth.

>>90728783
Saplings are mostly white and asian twinks

>>90729092
He wasn't. He admitted himself to be a ragetard and piece of shit causing problems.

>>90729458
He always said his rage was justified. Both Magni and Vesper have said this consistently

>>90725499
Someone needs to hack Cover's HQ servers and leak all the shit they have on Mel, Aqua, Chloé and Fauna's folders.

>>90729615
He also believed ghosting his workplace to fuck off camping had a justified apology by getting his employer an ancient spear to make up for it. That man has no sense of justice.

>>90728145
Fauna leaving is pomu leaving.
Where everyone thinks oh well gura/mumei/ selen is out. But somebody who seems fine just bails not the people you actually expect to go.

>>90725499
Fauna is smart and self aware, she watched the other graduations and probably even read a lot of comments about them. The vagueness and speculation is always rampant.
She tried to do a few things:
Give the reason she was leaving: Disagreement with management
Eliminate the usual speculation: doesnt hate idolshit, doesnt hate singing/performing, doesn't hate hololive or the girls, doesn't hate her fans.
But it was easy to interpret or twist her words to be some insane attack on Cover. This also comes on the heels of multiple graduations of other talents which only fueled the speculation and subsequent shitposting.

>>90726360
Nobody is scrutinzing the other members. It's just people asking about management problems. The Holomems posting damage control hurts them.

>>90729741
Every story I hear about him just makes him more based

>>90727289
>blue journey
nobody cared for that one, everything else sound plausible

>>90727485
>Vesper's video
>Magni's constant rants
>Gamma getting fired for a mysterious reason
>Altare taking a dump on management then going on hiatus
>Bettel also going on hiatus
but those are good things, also you forgot ina

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>>90727485
>two replies going muh homos
>completely dismiss the lower half of the post
It's like they are programmed.

>>90730141
Homos do no matter.

>>90729276
>>90729774
Fauna did shit on management and it was most certainly her intention that people saw it that way, too.
The only question is what could possibly warrant this because she's never voiced any issues she had with them AND there aren't even that many issues she could have had. Perms? She only plays mainstream stuff. Projects? She never did any.
The fact that the most credible narrative is just about her not wanting to travel to Japan is fucking crazy. The only thing I could imagine that would warrant the level of spite she displayed is if they banned her ASMR or some shit.

Management isn't good and borderline malicious in their incompetence. But we know this because of actual facts that members talked about. In Fauna's case it's a complete mystery what her issue was, and whether intentionally or unintentionally she fed into the narrative that there's some new bad thing that management started doing since 2024, which isn't true according to literally everyone.
And now the girls who all have their own issues with management AND actually talked about them look like "shills" just for saying that there isn't some mysteriously new conspiracy caused by post-IPO suits.

>>90727485
Bettel isn't on hiatus; he's on guerilla schedules until further notice because he has an inner ear problem that causes migraines and vertigo, he even clarified it.

>>90729727
This but hack Gaou's PC and leak all the Aqua's lewds

Why won't the management give Marine her old manager back? She has been asked multiple times to get rid off of her new intern-manager.

>>90730256
If she is salty about her ASMR, thats not on Holo or management. That is an actual dangerous area for YT channels at the moment and management would actually be right to enforce restrictions on those.

>>90730256
>Fauna did shit on management and it was most certainly her intention that people saw it that way, too.
>The only question is what could possibly warrant this because she's never voiced any issues she had with them
These two statements contradict each other. It's either Fauna had some deep issues with management that's been boiling udner the surface so on her announcement, she vagueposts about Cover to point the fingers at them while washing her hands clean of it or it's all just really bad timing and everyone's looking too deep into her words and twisting it to suit the rrats.

>>90730256
Betting Shondo said shit to her.

>>90729741
Fucking Teddy Roosevelt ass story

>>90725499
Fauna is arguably the most popular EN Holo since Gura doesn't stream enough to count

>>90726842
Because she's a public person. Only a retarded thinks it's the same as getting out of your burger flipping job

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>>90730587
>Fauna is arguably the most popular EN Holo

>>90727289
Yeah, the answer is easy. Disclose what're the changes, but they wouldn't do that because now they're je-shareholders slaves

>>90727289
>She was forced out
I thought she had to leave because of family problems back home?

>>90730256
There's an uncomfortable explanation which nobody wants to consider: it being about the money. If the new change is altering or decreasing talent cuts then it's in the best interest of the talent AND the company to never let it get out. Otherwise you'll get
Talent POV: She's leaving but so many are staying and happy? What a greedy whore
Cover POV: Are they nickel and diming their talents now? What a greedy company

It's basically a 50/50 on which way the public perception goes and neither side would want to take that gamble.

>>90730912
She said she had to take care of a very sick family member, i.e dementia or something else rather fatal

>>90730256
>which isn't true according to literally everyone.
Well, there is Aqua. One is one thing, two is another.

>>90727289
>There were no events like bloom, blue journey, or the honeyworks collab this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpD9ZehW51I
these were considered flops by fans and management. most fans were like "what even was the point of blue journey?"
instead we just had miko concert, suisei concert, will have marine concert and fubuki concert over the next couple of months.

>>90731325
That korone song was amazing though :)

>>90730913
well both would be right then

>>90731325
Still boggles my mind what the fuck they were thinking with BJ
Such a retarded concept it even made one of the investors go into a schizo rant about it

>>90731234
So... she wasn't forced out then.

Well, that sucks. There needs to be another A-chan but Holo wasn't what it used to be where they could just promote one of their general managers to talent status and I imagine that door is closed for good. If not, then the corporate red tape to do attempt something like this would be a nightmare to get pass.

Did all the bad talk start for real when A-Chan left? I am sure there were some issues but it seems to have increased after she left.

>>90727485
Didn't Gamma get fired because of drugs? Or was that just a rrat?

>>90731694
Rrat.

>>90731694
Obviously a rrat. How would they even know that he's a drug addict? Was he ripping bongs in the studio?

>>90731653
No, A-chan is getting pulled into this because schizos want to concoct the ONE TRUE THEORY that explains every graduation/departure.

>>90731781
Ah, thanks based truthanon.

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>>90731479
>they could just promote one of their general managers to talent status and I imagine that door is closed for good

Pre-2020 Hololive was truly something special that I'm afraid we all took for granted. It was smaller which meant less shareholder influence, and we got some execs liking running gags enough that they turned one of their staff members into a talent that worked behind the scenes. We're never gonna get another A-chan again.

>>90731847
Nodoka?

>>90725499
I hate the "graduation" terminology so fucking much, you either leave a company or get fired, speak properly you fucks.

>>90731967
She's nice, and I appreciate her efforts, but she's no A-chan. At least not yet.

>>90731967
Nodoka will never have even half the aura that A-chan had.

>>90731653
I think A-chan was basically Holo's entire PR department anthropomorphized into a character for everyone to relate to. It would definitely explain why she got a vtuber model as well, probably because whoever the exec was at the time had the idea to turn a friend of Sora that worked at the company into a character that also acted as an extension of Holo as a whole. With her gone, and no one to fill in her shoes, we're in the dark when it comes to shit like right now with Fauna and Chloe.

>>90725499
It's weird that it happened so close to the other 3, implying some kind of shift in the corpo where people chose not to continue with them.
Also Fauna is /#/'s mascot so they're probably melting down. If IRyS ever goes too, I'm pretty sure they'd completely break containment and destroy both the board and twitter.

>>90729260
>They don't count, they don't live in Japan
soon

Name one thing Fauna did wrong

>>90732478
Choosing indie money over the idol journey.

>>90732478
Let cc exist while knowing there can only be 1 green woman in hololive

>>90732478
Be vegan

>>90727289
Good post

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>>90731967
She's got potential, but she's got big shoes to fill.

>>90725499
Assuming you are a JP fan trying to figure things out. There is a famous saying:
Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern.
We have had too many departures in too short a window of time with partially overlapping reasonings for fans not to feel like that there is smoke and where there is smoke there is fire.
We understand that expecting a corporation as big as Cover to change course or adjust to respond to these issues isn't easy and takes time but we are looking for a sign of good faith from Cover. Something along the lines of 'We hear you, we understand your concerns and we will look into means to improve communications and workflow through the various levels of management'.
We can't pretend that there isn't anything wrong going on, there is something going on when you have such a spike as this year has brought
2018: 1 Termination
2019: 0
2020: 0
2021: 1 Graduation
2022: 1 Termination
2023: 0
2024: 1 Termination, 2 Graduations, 2 Affiliations

I think it's interesting how Fauna's graduation is the cause for all the damage control comments from the other holos.
Not A-chan, not Aqua, not Ame, not Chloe but as called by the Cover defenders; the "runt" of Promise. How is Fauna, who is considered "irrelevant" make so many shills shit on her lmao

>>90732898
Honestly, even removing the affiliations here makes this look bad lmao

>>90732996
Just borrowing this from one anon in an archived thread talking about it, but essentially, his game theory was this:

>"If we really want to be honest with ourselves, it's most likely not that deep. Just look at how casual the rest of the holos are reacting compared to the schizofags in utter shambles over it. Sure, it isn't helped that Chloe's announcement happened not too long after, but if the other holos aren't as hung up over this as they should be, perhaps it's just a case of bad timing, personal wants conflicting, and little things adding up over time that compelled Fauna's gut decision to pull the plug so fast."

>>90732996
Fauna was moderately popular and still streamed regularly unlike Ame and seemed perfectly content

>>90733024
They even removed all the stars and it still looks bad

>>90733145
Makes sense, but I guess Fauna's whole attitude and way of going about this is what frustrates me since there's not a lot of good intel to go off of and speculate what lead to her departure.

>>90727485
No one cares about homos you could have started at line 6

>>90729269
Agreed, this is the most that Cover has been in hot water since Taiwangate and Aloe's graduation. That is why things seem so very heated, its been a -relatively- benign 4 years and this is the first time in ages that the community is slinging barbs at Cover.

The illusion that Hololive is the best place ever to work has been shattered, that's all. The perm shit and being ignored for months would be enough to make me rage quit.

Schizo theory Cover is going hard to try and win back China in 2025. Which involves way fucking more talent control. Some girls aint willing to put up with that shit

>>90733326
>The illusion that Hololive is the best place ever to work has been shattered
I don't think there was ever an illusion to begin with. Holo has always made mistakes but what made them admirable was their capacity to change with each misstep and gradually get better. Like with what went down with Towa back then, but since all of that primarily focused on the talent side of things, I'm just concerned that they won't address this one since it could tie into the corporate side of things and that's too far deep for them to really address in any meaningful way.

>>90731694
One rrat I heard is he worked to help 'Mel' with projects after her termination under some psuedonym.

>>90732898
The other key piece of information is mid way through 2023 they became a publicly owned company. This train crash isn't over, it just started

>>90733484
Funny you say that because it seems like Cover is getting busy trying to establishing a foothold in the land of burgers before anything else.
https://youtu.be/-pLPaeA3K5w?si=WJLsTrYMjtaUpKL8

>>90732898 (me)
Ah fuck I forgot Aloe, add 1 Graduation to 2020

>>90725499
she DIDN'T want to leave
she wanted to be in hololive but management forced her to leave

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>>90734014
This on top of all the damage control EN is doing makes it look so bad. I'm expecting a stream like this sometime Dec 4th

>>90733589
didn't Mel get fired for talking shit about management to someone outside the company

>>90734097
Then you're delusional.
All they're doing is talk about their own experience because people have been schizoing about the management.
Not a single one of them has said anything like "No, Fauna is actually wrong."

>>90727485
The en homos were the catalyst for all of this, the tumor that became the cancer killing hololive.

>>90730454
Why is it dangerous

>>90727485
>homo homo homo
ok i love cover now

>>90732996
During the dark days without Gura and Ina, and no new debuts, everyone was in a steep decline, except Fauna. The runt built a strong and growing fanbase that weathered controversy and not reliant on the blue box. Like Gura, her CCV remained high overlapping the new debuts.

>>90725499
Because she's supposed to be a gaming idol kirin

>>90729741
based mongolian warrior mindset

>>90726545
>vague posts
>omg why are people wildly speculating about my vague post tee hee

>>90729741
>>90729741
>apology by getting his employer an ancient spear to make up for it.
Sounds based to me.

>>90725499
Fauna's statement put to rest the rrat that it's about idol work, but it's solely on management. The whole video is about how she enjoys being an idol and wants to continue it, but not possible with management.

>>90731967
It's kinda the same problem as Omega, the level is different but basically it's about reputation, no one would believe and would get suspicious instead if it's just some random person out of nowhere, they did better with Nodoka that she got welcomed by A-chan and Sora but Nodoka still not yet got the same level of reputation as A-chan, the main reason A-chan works is because of her long history with Sora.

>>90725499
>But this seems even worse than the Taiwan incident or the Selen situation
I would have caled you a coping Nijisis but seeing IRyS and Bae, 2 ENs that migrated to Nippon where COVER is, talking about imbibing chunks of meat, right after Fauna, who is publically vegan, announced graduation means there is more to this than meats the eye.

>>90729260
Nobody has ever counted the homos in anything. You're not part of Hololive, sister. Go back into your containment thread.

>>90730256
fauna throws shade at her manager and perms guy constantly
it's just soft spoken so it feels less harsh

>>90725499
Because other talents started to defend management. Should have just kept their mouths shut for the most part.

>>90733484
>still blaming China when the West is more damaging
>Visa/Mastercard suspension on JP goods
>Anime and Games getting censored and full on DEI
Jesus Christ. Holo was mainly supported by the Chinese in their "Glory" days. Funny how everything starts breaking apart when the West has influence. Even Niji's current shitty situation is caused by Westerners.

>>90726842
i'm gonna screencap your post and DM it to kiara, i'm sure all those (you) will make her cum real hard

>>90733170
>>90735428
I was calling Fauna "runt" and "irrelevant" ironically. The people defending Cover and shitting on her calls her that despite how much influence she has.

>>90734369
Yes it was extremely organic that all the bootlickers defended the company at the same time

>>90737732
Yes, because they all responded to the same thing.
You literally can't get any more organic than something happening, and people respond to it when it happens.

>>90725499
She is one of the most popular EN talents, so ofc people are gonna freak out.
>But this seems even worse than the Taiwan incident or the Selen situation
Also, let's not overexaggerate.