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Man I love Fauna
LemonLeaf threadLemonLeaf general
THE MOST PERFECT PAIR IN THE HISTORY OF VTUBING!!!
I wanna moom all over those mooms
>>90733786all I'm saying is that usually the cut is negotiated on the balance between talent input and company intellectual property (aka. character design), so any shit like acrylic stands and similar would have atrocious or nonexistent talent cut, but VPs would be much betterit's the most common way of negotiating such things
GRIM
>>90733734I didn't shoot at you?I suppose my thought was a little incomplete:Fauna has made zero connection or hint on her holo account, and doesn't have to, because the fanbase did it for her. This is something Cover needs to take into account in the future. Transitioning from Hololive to an indie for a popular holo is apparently pretty easy. Seems like 2025 should be the "year of making shit more convenient and easy for Holos because they have alternatives" and the year of "making sure managers know that it's a really important part of their job to keep their holo happy".>>90733774Sure, but doesn't change the fact that she didn't advertise her RM persona as Fauna (and doesn't have to).
>>90733840>>90733847Why do you keep posting a girl who doesn't stream in fucking /#/ of all things?
>>90733648this is really fucking funny to read after like two solid years of people freaking out about Mori
I won
hey bootlicking holodrones don't forget to watch Holostars like you obviously do
>>90733924ERB advertised it though, retard
Is Doki the most influential person in modern vtubing?
Her only mistake is not coming up with a better reason. As it stands "disagreements with management" will hang over the heads of the other girls forever now. That bait is never going away.
>>90733924>Hololive to an indie for a popular holo is apparently pretty easyand gets even easier the more holos graduate since they can raid the redebut etc so they can put a newly created channel squarely in the holo algorithm
>>90733813how do i report that there are people trying to dox Anya?
>>90733914Eh we really can't say for sure. Like yes the products are mostly their voice, but Cover also hires people to be the scriptwriters and do the editing for the voice packs so they aren't completely uninvolved either
>>90733959Mori alarmism was always retarded, she's the poster child of why you shouldn't assume malice when incompetence explains everything.
>>90733987ERB was reading chat (chat was advertising it).There's a very good chance ERB has no idea that LemonLeaf is Fauna, she said it without hesitation while talking about ASMRtist recommendations from chat.
>>90732925Boggles my mind that Kiara was the only one who bothered directly addressing the actual concern people had with their doomposting.I mean Mori was sounding pretty nuanced and empathic here but at the end of the day all she said was "well I like it here I'm happy", while people literally think there's some MASSIVE change happening in the shadows that's causing everyone to quit.
>>90733994dont assume that she cares, anon
>>90734030https://cover-corp.com/en/report
>>90733924Just because it's not explicit does not mean she's ignorant. She knows exactly what she's doing stop being naive it's the internet.
>>90733914That's a lot of assumptions, the only kind of cover pushed VP I can see getting a slightly better cut are the dramas, but those cookiecutter sets that they pumped whole year no shot they have a good %
>>90733956Cope
>>90734030You use the contact form Cover provided and watch as they post a PDF about how they don't tolerate talent harassment a few days later. Anya won't fuck you and everyone who cares knows who she is already because they all knew her in meatspace anyway.
>>90734030Grimly funny because Kobo is dealing with a very real end-stage result indistinguishable to their 'helpfulness' now
>>90734145Your reading comprehension sucks ass. I'm not saying Fauna doesn't want people to find her RM. I'm saying she didn't advertise it as a Holo, on her Holo account. Which she didn't, and didn't have to. It's my entire fucking point.Do you dispute this? If so, find me the timestamp of Fauna even hinting at LemonLeaf.
>>90734166>Fuwawa 4 points above MococoWHO'S THE BETTER SISTER NOW?
>>90734166Ok, she gets a few medals from abusing return stream buff and karaoke buff, but why do you post a girl that doesn't stream?
>>90733988yeah she's really influencing you the most
Everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that it's management that decided to part ways, not Fauna.No wonder she's pissed off.
>>90734233But it's not private information, retardAnd she has made zero effort in trying to hide itJust like Gura
>>90733994Fauna is under NDA and can't just come out and say>My personal manager is inattentive and shoots down all my projectsor>They keep demanding I come to Japan and won't accept stateside mocap dataor whatever her real concern is.
>>90734233Nobody does that you autist they don't have to.
>>90733924nta, but I'm personally unsure if company like Cover can keep a talent like Fauna happy, because a lot of what they offer at high end at the moment is stuff she's personally not super interested in, and stuff they have problems with is things they often are justified to be worried/careful about (like everything permissions related, due to Japan's lack of Fair Use clause)Fauna wasn't really interested in brand deals, or massively growing her community, or access to music label resources, or a studio that can support a live band and live celebrities interactionshe wanted to be a closed community variety/game focused streamer that sometimes clumsily performs (without need for lengthy travel or highly specialized equipment), and she can be that much more conveniently without company, but with company grown viewershipthe directions do not align, there is no lie there
>>90733988she made doxposting popular, i kneel tbqh
>>90734179Go back
>>90734356the management is graduating?
>>90734368>>90734378She has no obligation to try to hide shit and why would she want to?But she's not doing anything underhanded by putting out a few basic videos on her RM channel and letting the public do whatever they want with them. Is she supposed to never do content again because her Hololive fanbase might find it?
>>90734060>incompetence explains everythingshe knew what she was doing and was getting ready to jump ship if the UMJ deal fell through
>>90734310Newfag
>>90733904
how are vcrgta numbers looking like
>You now realize why fauna, mumei, and gura weren't featured at all during the enreco recap
>>90734233Your point is irrelevant retard. The original claim was that she funneled to the RM. Which she did by doing RM activity full well knowing every sapling is aware of who her RM is, essentially prepping them for the transition.Just because she didn't advertise it as Fauna doesn't mean she wasn't advertising.
>>90734144the place was always opposed to Mori so once Mori started upholding the standards, /vt/ had to flip to retain the balance
>>90734310Fauna, Mumei, IRyS and Gura are always going to be relevant here anon
>>90734493I've been perusing /vt/ for 3 years now. Anyway. Why are you posting porn OPs of a girl who doesn't stream?
>>90734544Holy reach, desperate much uh?
>>90734509
>>90734539nothing they did tied into the main plot either, so...
>>90734467the management didn't want to continue with Fauna since she was being difficult
>>90734554But half of those never stream?
>>90733914Aside from the debut starter voices (and even then I suspect the cuts might change after debut) I think the general voicepacks have a better cut than usual merch, and depending on the profit margins for birthday and anni merch maybe an even higher ratio than those, but birthday and anniversary voicepacks etc. are gonna be the ones that have the highest cut for the talents. Though that being said, I think the generic voicepack margins aren't that bad, didn't FWMC shill theirs?>>90733924Yeah, I do hope they do a re-evaluation of their procedures, I don't think it's as widespread as people make it out to be but managers have too much influence on talent experience to half ass, they've gotta work out procedures, alternate contact points for the talents, set out standards etc. I think there should be quarterly satisfaction surveys for the talents at minimum and reviews for manager performance, if that's not already a thing. I would start by sitting down with the talents, understanding who the better managers are, then sitting down with them to understand what it is they do that make them good. Not that we know if they're already doing that or not, the (somewhat understandable) lack of transparency means fans don't really know what if anything is going wrong.
>>90734586Go back to peruse the catalog then faggot
>>90734467if only
>>90734625
>>90734544They said it was "the most blatant attempt to funnel of any Holo".Literally all she did was put out a handful of shitpost videos on her RM.The fact that this leads to the entire Hololive fanbase knowing who she is overnight once her graduation is announced isn't her problem, that's something Cover needs to deal with.
20-25% drop in music views today, which is worse than the usual weekday drop. We might see BBDB's #1 streak end in the next 2 week
>>90734652FWMC shill theirs because they don't sell well. They said in a mengen stream that the the % that said they buy voicepacks on that one community poll were way way WAY higher than the reality
>>90734671I am a heterosexual, now please tell me why do you post porn of a girl who doesn't stream? She hasn't been relevant for a month?
>>90734072>Triple 2 viewsDORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>90734379One of the more reasonable takes I've seen here.
>>90734554If gura or mumei leaves Holo EN is cooked.
>>90734750Gigi...
>>90734544>when you are a holo you arent allowed to do RM activitiesnijisister, this isnt nijisanji
>>90734765mumei is a background character gura is the main character thats why all the dramanigs want her to graduate
>>90734765Do they stream? Are they relevant in any practical way? I can understand Gura, but Mumei is just ridiculous.
>>90734810shes following the holo alts retard
>>90734751Welcome to snorys an enjoy your stay maybe it cures your faggotry for real
>>90734810You realize a lot of that was fucking years and years ago right
Every reaction I've seen basically implied that Fauna's issues were very personal/individual ones unique to her and that no member shares the grievances she had. That doesn't necessarily mean they weren't justified but given how everyone has acted so far, it really feels like nobody can actually "relate" to her.Despite the fact that this happened alongside many other graduations, which easily paint the picture of "everyone is escaping the hell hole", this gives me hope that there's nothing actually severe going on at Cover.
>>90734379>that sometimes clumsily performs (without need for lengthy travel or highly specialized equipment),isnt she on the west coast? Brave has their 3D studio in LA, sounds like she can become a repeat customer there
>>90734752
>>90734183>Anya won't fuck youWhy are you talking like an Homobeggar?
Someone already posted the proper follow list on /uuu/, imagine being so fucking new you don't know how old twitter accounts order things
>>90734749I mean, why would they shill it if it doesn't benefit them, right? Granted, FWMC run on a somewhat smaller (no I'm not saying they're not popular you fags, I'm talking about the merch buyers) more oshikatsu dedicated paying audience a la underground idols so they could just be trying to minmax that but I feel like if the margins were terrible they wouldn't be shilling them
>>90734827Mumei's sole calls to fame are sounding like Gura and doing a pseudo-intellectual MV for her pretentious orisong "mumei". She's been absolutely forgettable in 2024.
>>90734810Most of these are very old. Lazulight debuted before Council didShe followed the orc after he graduated
>>90734485to clarify, she revived that side specifically cause of UMJ deal happening, she expected to be way more chained up than she ended up being
>>90734925
>>90734913Again, Fauna has never shown much enthusiasm to do those sort of activities without being forced to.
>>90734929I wouldn't know, unlike you I don't go there.
>>90734379Video game perms are a problem that can't be fixed. But the process should be as easy and painless as possible.The perms guy sounds like a fucking asshole a lot of the time and that needs to be fixed, and there should probably be more than one. And the perms guy should just be requesting perms for new popular games without having to be asked. That sort of thing. Process improvements.And perms extend beyond "game perms". Managers need to stop shooting down innocuous projects and ideas without a FUCKING FANTASTIC reason. Why can't Gura pick her own song for BD? Why can't Mumei do what she wanted to for her MC? Unless she asked to go on stage and scream "NIGGER" over and over again for 5 solid minutes, there had better be a damn compelling reason for telling her no. The default needs to be "yes". There's lots of other stuff Hololive can improve as well, like the completely broken MV situation that is demoralizing half of HoloEN.
>>90734971>She followed the orc after he graduatedNo she did not. Her account was locked and you can't see who follows who even with the old twitter ui extension.
>>90734911The biggest issue seem to be that she doesn't seem to have told anyone and people expect them to say what it is.
>>90734749At least they're directly aware of the virtue signaller problem in the fanbase
>>90734954>I mean, why would they shill it if it doesn't benefit them, right?For the same reason they put a merch tier list on public streams or insta moved to Japan, to raise in the ranks
>>90734925It's a double raid?
What i'm afraid is that Fauna is listening to Shondo, from what i heard from someone Fauna graduated because of these reasons:>Didn't get the sponsors she want>Miscommunication with her manager>Miscommunication with middle management>Didn't want to stay a lot of time in Japan(vegan and homesick)>Snail is sick>Schedule interferes with what she wants to do irl>Other minimal stuffs that i forgot and i don't wanna open discord againIt's why it's hard to find any fault in what the other holos are talking about
>>90734072It's insane how badly Uproar did
>>90735001Yes and I bet you she also became a guest in Nene, Koyori and Watame's lives because she was forced to
>>90734085>all she said was "well I like it here I'm happy"she lives in japan and gets everything she could ever want, even when she and kiara had the same manager she always got preferential treatment.
>>90734954They said that they were questioning whether they should keep doing them or not, if they're even worth the effortI'm not saying I know for sure what the cuts are, but FWMC don't really factor money into their decisions. They have other reasons like providing fan service content to fans or looking good to management. They aren't a very good reference point for this discussion.
It feels kind of stupid now after fighting doxshit for 3 years twitter is now just a giant dox carnival. Like were in a bizzaro world where the mainstream normie site is now the one with the ebin seekret forbidden knowledge
>>90735027>Why can't Mumei do what she wanted to for her MC?feels like managers think they are theatre directors and that they know the character better than the character herself
>>90735066Well obviously she wouldn't turn down the invitation, it would be disrespectful to them
>>90734911I think that's where the girls are being naive and where Cover as management has to step in and actually act on things, it's indicative of organizational issues. If it was Fauna alone maybe there were issues specific to her and her alone, but given the amount of girls who have graduated over similar reasons, there might be some kind of issue with the company-manager-talent dynamics that they ought to fix. We don't know jack shit though, and it's on Cover to fix those problems, if they exist. Speculating on it is kind of useless besides pressuring Cover to do a review of their practices.
>>90735135Sadly once the floodgates opened with the Doki shit they were never gonna close again.
>>90735146fucking exactly.I don't want the version of Mumei that some retarded salaryman empty suit making the yen equivalent of $25k per year thinks I want. I want Mumei, I want the Mumei that Mumei wants to be.
>>90735027Kiara amusingly enough said that the least of their issues were game perms, music perms were much more of an hassle in reality
>>90735025where?
>>90735135bro, if you try to tell them "we respect their private life, there may people that want to use it maliciously" they will respond with "i dont care"
>>90735062>Schedule interferes with what she wants to do irlThis reminds me of what Kiara mentioned in her members only which is that Hololive takes up so much of her time that she can’t hang out of friends or family as much as she’d like.
>>90735146>they know the character better than the character herselfCorrect. The VAs turning everything into how bad their privileged first world woman life is don't give a shit about the character, most of them treat being in-character with irony at best, brazen contempt at worst.
>>90735220Yeah, she gave the example of how in the past no one would even be able to dream of getting square enix perms
>>90734719We could just go through the other graduates and compare>Coco: pretty sure she tried to funnel but wasn't really paying attention>Sana: Didn't do anything, streamed like once or twice then mostly disappeared>Aqua: Didn't even have a channel on graduation, some anons thought she'd just disappear>Ame: Didn't debut her new persona until after graduation>Chloe: nothing yet that I know of>Fauna: Setting the groundwork by interacting with indies so she slots into that scene and releasing RM stream related to things she has talked about as Fauna, starting even before her graduation announcementCurrently Fauna's only real competition for trying to funnel is Coco. I'm not including the terminations for obvious reasons or girls like Mori and Laplus who tried double dipping without trying to leave.
>>90735302Kiara is such a fucking liar holy shit
>>90735146That fits with the whole “brand image” reasoning they kept using on Fauna to shoot down her ideas (goth fauna filter, different seasons hair color).
>>90733959I don't want to defend the people who shit talked Mori because fuck them specifically.But in general there is a big difference between seeming like you joined specifically to funnel viewers to your active RM from debut and doing so after being dedicated and giving hololive your all for years
>>90735135it's far far too late now. I fucking hate twitter activists, they do shit to stoke their egos and never to actually solve the problem at hand, only serving to poison the well on any serious discussions about the issue at hand only allowing reductive takes and retardation.
>>90735385The aqua thing you said is false, she had that channel and unprivated it before graduation, over a year before (people even debated about if you could count her sub gain as Vtuber or convert for a while)
>>90735401Fuck kiara
>>90735215What you need to understand is that what you like about Mumei is what a salaryman working in the anime/idol industry noticed being profitable. "Mumei" doesn't know, "Mumei" destroyed her first VTubing foray with bullshit that'd make Mori blush. "Mumei" was tardwrangled to get to where she's at and she let it happen out of disinterested laze.
>>90734911>there's nothing actually severe going on at Cover.even if it's true losing both sakamata and fauna right after aqua and ame SUCKSand very sadit doesn't matter if their problems with management are different ones... it's management's failure to make them stay and be happy in hololiveand it's not like Cover doesn't have anything that can be improved we literally know about a lot of things that can beso they fucking should not only communicate their stance to all the fans but also start working to improve instead of hiring another 100 ideamen to make more fucking merch
>>90735027yeah, there are definitely venues for improvement, though as you hire fresh staff you'll never really know which ones are lazy bad eggs and which ones will help talents bloom, and since Cover is rapidly growing, its HR is probably heavily lagging behind (this is typical for tech companies)the grievances regarding projects are also fairly complex, because of the Japanese having a very stiff culture around branding (it's hard to count how many good game projects did Nintendo sink cause of its original "kid/family riendly" branding until they loosened up a tiny bit), and that's a definite point of tension between them and Western talents where the main value is being yourself and your own vision - that is something I don't see being fixed unless Cover US becomes a fully staffed office and handling of EN (or at least NA) side talents is completely handed of to them... but I feel like you'd instantly hear way more DEI shitposters once that happened, considering who tech/entertainment companies usually hire in Cali
holy shit
>>90734749I'm really hardcore into oshikatsu by western standards, full on room full of merch and tshirts, happis, penlights, attending concerns and cons and events, etc.And even I can't keep up with all of these voice packs Cover is doing, I just don't really enjoy them that much. This might be an example of a legit cultural difference I guess.
>>90735407They also shut down many of Ame 3D streams such as Bee Ame, Smol Ame, and Buff Ame. combined this with perms issue.
>>90735237Where the Homobeggars are, of course. I wouldn't know the name of "where" since I don't go "where".
>>90735385Anon aqua was fauna on steroids what the actual fuck are you saying
>Homo are sucessful>Can't afford insuranceLook grim
>>90734072UYUKING
>>90735547fuma...
>>90735547UYUGODS????
>>90735595Insurance like health and dental?? Or like something else
>>90735302>Literally just back from a vacation with her friends the other week
Towa?
>>90735588Then why were so many anons thinking she was going to disappear after graduation?
>>90735547words can't describe this level of grim
>>90735667Reminder that IRyS is back to being our thread darling.
>>90735595The girls actually get good insurance, it’s funny since the implication is that the homos are so worthless they don’t bother insuring them. Biboo was bragging about being insured today.
>>90735135It was always a 'stemming the tide' sort of battlePeople never get it until there's a very direct contradiction that affects their own enjoymentAll of them always think they're not parasocial or can watch something just 'for entertainment' until their own particular red line gets crossed
>>90735692Because they are retarded her channel naturally entered holo reps even without people spamming it weeks before her graduation
>>90735692Because we're Americans trying to follow Japanese people anon
>>90735581Twitter? or the fat guy sound post talking about Kronii?
>>90735302Kiara goes on vacations for pleasure with friends all the time, then discusses them on stream at length.
>>90735062i would doubt shes listening to a menhera who tried to shit on her so much before giving up on it, she would need to be as retarded
>>90735595Homos and holos are likely by definition contractors and cover does not need to provide that to them. It's on them to purchase their own like other adults
>>90735728Isn't the cover health insurance for the holomems on Japanese soil?
>>90735188There absolutely is a systemic problem with management but like Kiara explained it doesn't show itself in a universal problem that applies to everyone.Take Ina's visa fiasco for example, that was such a huge fuck-up I probably wouldn't blame anyone for quitting solely out of protest over that. But at the same time it's something that nobody else ever had or (probably) would ever encounter.And it's kind of hard to push for something as vague as "well just stop fucking sucking in general!" vs. tackling a specific issue. Honestly Kiara alrady explained the situation perfectly. It'd be easier to have one specific issue that would fix everything when it's really just general incompetence that shows itself in very broad strokes and individual problems.And worse yet, BECAUSE everyone hyped themselves up over some new boogeyman issue that supposedly started in 2024, now just shooting down THAT specific narrative already makes Cover look like they successfully defended themselves.
>>90735385Ame was making moves before graduation it just didn't get as much traction right away cause she made a new account instead of going back to her old one
>>90735683>Insurance like health and dentalYep
>Putting them in danger is dropping pics from that previous doxx site of the talents who are on the 'right' sidewait a minute, how does she know about the doxsite?>That went out the window when Niji decided to terminate their top talent and the dam bursting for Hololive EN in what appears to be a 'forced' graduation. Would of never thought of even doing this as late as Nov. 29. Lot of people did not know how to continue to support Faunabro saying all the doxing is Fauna's fault kek
I wonder if cover even gives a shit if EN fans are madMight be like niji where they didn't even notice until its way way way too late
>>90735220the music perms are just kind of turbofucked, but I am still pissed that Cover fumbled Gura's cover of kyun vampire girl>>90735027yeah, there's a lot of shit they should be taking a closer look at, and if they are they should be public about it, I know some would shit on them saying they're making insincere statements, but as long as they do make progress and the girls talk about it that kind of opinion would quiet down. that being said, part of it is just the lack of general transparency, even Kiara doesn't tell us the exact changes/improvements to perms etc. so people don't know how to feel about it. If Cover were smart they'd make statements with actionable solutions and then make statements about when those things have been achieved.
>>90735502>Mumeischizo is hopping in now to push his fanfics
Fauna
>>90735721I've always loved them both and will continue to in the future
>>90735995Love her forever
>>90735692she says she didn't decide whether she'd come back or not until she saw how many people missed herit may not be true
>>90733840Fauna wonKiara lost
>>90735819Yeah, girls based in Japan get health insurance provided by Cover. That just means that Cover doesn’t see the homos as valuable enough to insure.
The worst thing about this drama is homobeggars trying to farm sympathy points, people even put fucking Gamma in the whole "talents we lost such a horrible year for HOLOLIVE :(" images, no one gave a shit on the day he graduated not even 1 hour after the news everything was back to normal
>>90735890She converted, not made a new one
>>90736061is the homo in question in Japan, genuine question I know nothing about them, aside from the usual suspects I've genuinely forgotten who is who these days.
I can never understand the perms autism, I'm not too much of a /v/tard so maybe I just can't relate, but is not being able to play some games really such a fucking huge deal to chuubas? When the faggot "graduated", I saw so many people claim he was sick of not having perms to random meme kusoge and I just couldn't imagine anyone would ever quit over something that trivial.
>>90735667why is she white?
>>90736155wonder if Chloe will do the same... we still dont know how the fuck the affiliate stuff works as a whole
>>90735982they probably noticed that a lot of the girls had to talk about it, at the very least
>>90736061By that logic they also don't they see the Holo members living outside of Japan as valuable.
Well at least Gura won't leave
>>90736136Gamma was such a stark contrast to Mel, hell even to Rushia that i actually think he might have done something really bad.
>>90736136I mean it just outs them as casuals given the circumstances around his termination
>>90735062I feel like a lot of Fauna's problems could have been solved if she had talked to some of the girls that experienced the same problems and/or have enough clout to get the ball rolling on solving those issues.
>>90736061Unless that shinri moved to JP I don't get why they would think that cover is willing to find dozens of burger insurances
>>90736182https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4
>>90735861>now just shooting down THAT specific narrative already makes Cover look like they successfully defended themselves.At the end of the day, Cover needs to address these problems for their own sake, not to placate the fans. They want talents to be happy for very good monetary self-serving capitalist reasons and should be trying to maximize that, especially if it doesn't even cost much money. It doesn't cost (much) money to have training for managers to be prompt in responses and polite to their holos, and to try to do what they want. And it doesn't cost money to have Holos give feedback on their managers quarterly, and to rotate or replace managers who aren't a good fit with a Holo. Etc.
>>90736182wasn't on of his clips explain how he got pissed about not getting the xcom perms?
>>90736182It really isn't. but it's a visible and well known issue so people just assume that is the reason.
>>90736182Kind of sucks if they can't play the current hype slop because of permissions or improve some game performance with mods also due to permissions hurt. It would've been fun to see a Helldivers arc for a week for the girls to fuck around with
>get a fleshie video recommended to me on youtube>it is Bao going full fleshiekinda weird how she goes full fleshie while at the same time beginning to do porn, you'd think that someone that does porn would not want to show their face and fat body
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpmAOd5rVoM&ab_channel=OboretaiWritingch.Did any of the other girls explore the stars aquarium?
NOVEMBER VIEW/TIME RANKINGS See the picture for the numbers. Just look at the big table on top for the quickest results; or the one on the bottom for individual ranks.>If you want a quick summary, there is a lot of fluctuation inside the categories this month, but in general most categories are stagnant, fluctuating according to events. In general the #shorts vertical lives are getting kinda low ccv but good views; and there has been some shameless episodes of botting.>I’m using the metric (vod) views/time because it seems to be the best metric we can use for comparisons.>There’s no way to calculate direct hours watched without having access to data analytics from inside each channel owner or bullshitting it; simply counting total views doesn’t take into account how much did they stream to get there (and they usually count small skits and music videos as well); and live viewers (on youtube) are very buggy and cut off a significant portion of that real number (for example, comparison between Miko’s twitch and youtube minecraft streams seem to indicate that 35% of her yt live viewers numbers are hidden [read the OP or the whole thread >>2253454 for anons discussion on the possible reasons for it) (not to mention that twitch max live viewers are constantly influenced by twitch raids coming from other channels). Or see this >>17329929 for mori-mousey split pov numbers.>Reading and trying to compare all those ratios for each hour length would have been a pain, so that’s why I’ve already made the ranking tables, with ranks for inside each time length.>The longer the stream time, the fewer vtubers that had any videos available to calculate.>Never compare general view/time ratios of streamers who have very different stream duration averages - that’s why I just don`t rank those anymore, since people are too dumb.>Only compare data (or ranks) from the same time length.>For combining those ranges from each time length, i inverted each position into a fraction (position/total), calculated the average of all available time-length fractions for each streamer, and then compared those resulting numbers: the smaller your fraction is, it means the higher yours positions were, so you rank higher.>You can see a practical example (from may) here: >>4423534.>Video types like short skits, short amvs/covers/original songs, watchalongs, members-only, sc-only, or deleted were not included for the calculations.>Videos analyzed for 'this month' are from the time period of 31-10-24 to 30-11-24 (~00:00 jst)>You can see the biggest individual growth fluctuations with those vtubers who had some huge special stream (like 3ds, costumes, returns, tournaments).>They can be big rises if the special vids happened on this month; or big falls if the special vids occurred on last month.>On those cases you can see % change of one specific time length way superior than the rest for that vtuber.>Collecting all this data was a whole lot of work, so no promises that I’ll be doing this again, or as big of a list. And im getting tired of adding all the new debuting midgets. >I don’t think I missed anyone too big, I left out the smaller nijisanjis, or holostars or whoever else because I don’t have the time to include them all - but I did include a few smaller ones just out of curiosity.>Expect the list of checked vtubers to be cut by a good number on the next month.>And no "now im suddenly a vtuber" trendhoppers were included either. >If you think I left out someone relevant you can try convincing me to do their numbers as well, although if they are too small I’ll just tell you to fuck off. Or you can just calculate it yourself and post it here, not too hard. >I didnt proofread this, if something mentions september is because i forgot to update the text or pic. >i think on last thread someone asked if i would update those names. Definitely not for this month version, as it will likely mess with some formulas. Give me a full list of those names youd like changed and ill see what i can do for next time. Short lists will be ignored. >do not repost cutouts of this without the full source.>i will reply to myself with that top vtubers history pic
>>90736136They always try to pretend they're part of the team but nobody gives a fuck and nobody will give a fuck, this ain't about them.
>>90736182they can see the trends on their yt/twitch feed, and often times the first instict of a content creator is hopping on a trend, but they're not able to - ending up feeling like they got outcompeted and left behindalso, they're creatives and creatives get hung up on their ideas really easily
>>90736301Did she finally start taking her mask off?
I wanna be Noel's baby
>>90736240I get the distinct feeling that she never even tried doing that, like that HC minecraft thing where fans went to Kiara to ask her to deal with it and then it ended up amounting to nothing.
>>90735721She always was a thread darling; she just has more of the attention to herself now.
>>90736301Sauce?
>>90736214FUNNY JOKE
>>90735861A lot of people here don't seem to have much experience working in large companies. What you deal with can vary pretty massively depending on who you work with or what department you're in, etc. Sometimes the company is fine overall but there is some team in it that has a shit manager, or a disruptive employee, and no one else ever really knows for whatever reason. Maybe no one said anything, or that bad employee lied, or a million other reasons. So everyone on team A might think this is the greatest company ever while team B might be miserable.
>>90736383i think she looks like finana so i dont think she wants to
>>90736383she wore a mask on the thumbnail and i refuse to click on the videoif she was hot i would have watched it
>>90736312no, just her
>>90733840>>90733847Posting Mumei's tits won't make her a non-factor to anyone who doesn't watch the same shitty karaoke playlist at times only a NEET with rich parents would watch.
>>90736312Not now, fuck off.
>>90736182It's the timed ones that are the real issue, where you need to write down "yes I am going to play Age Of Empires II on 27th of February from 1200 to 1800" and when they submit it on the 12th they don't even KNOW if the request will come back before 27th, and then on 27th there's a sudden meeting at 1300 so the whole thing is off and it's time to wait another two weeks for another shot but now there's a new FOTM etc etc
>>90735547Kek
>>90736182In his case, he liked nich games so his gaming stream pool was already small, perms just made it smaller.
>>90736182Perms autism is annoying and they really should work to reduce it as much as they can.
>>90736324me again, and here's the vtubers ranks history, updated. This one is not supposed to be perfect especially for the past years having worse sources, but it gives a good indication I guess. As usual the 0h and 1h were filled with events and special streams. The koreans remain out of twitch now, while there are sometimes a few rare lives and vods they upload on youtube that i can use. Ive deleted a few shitters from the list. With so many strong events this month, so usual hard hitters got pushed way down due to getting raped by others' events.As things of interest:- subaru had her best position tied with another month- azki had her best position tied with another month- okayu had her best position ever- watame had her best position in a year- lize had her best position in years- iroha had her best position in a year- kizuku had his best position in a year- ririka had her best position in a year- matsuri had her best position in yearsfirst original receipts post >>79756763 >>81989530 >>84268876 >>86550661 keyword abcd5555more receipts belowAnd no, ennacuck’s (this retard >>79288266) infrequent cheap-sabotage botting wont be included for obvious reasons. watch for the tranny samefag spamming replies as usual.search keyword abcd555588730355 niji yugioh boosted 50k tournament stream with a chat speed of some 10k stream - >>88730766 or a 2view chat speed for fucking 10k88862737 kuzuha yugioh boosted with bots on the wrong timing, clearly decoupling with the chat activity speed times88852531 vspo sf6 botboosted 53k with the same chat speed as a normal sf6 16k stream89606297 just one of many kanae’s over 10k ccv and 5chat/minute89609714 another extremely odd graph shape by kuzuha, as he was playing the same thing with the same people for the whole time89896964 kuzuha 20k splatoon with the chat speed of some 5k89957047 another funny graph from fuwa, keeps rising until he reaches exactly 10k, starts dropping right after >>90015967 again same thing the next day, but now with lauren90202741 niji 90k tournament with the chat speed of some 20k90327041 another dead chat from niji90379367 90379772 90379772 90380554 90379585 another series of suspiciously dead kuzuha chat speeds
>still angry over the Moom OPEmbarrassing
>>90736136They only pretend to care about themBut they forgot their very existence
>>90736428are you that much of a windowlicker that you cannot go to youtube.com and search Bao the Whale and check her videos?
>>90736301Some women just feel an irresistible compulsion to go fleshie. Vtubing for them wasn't about the medium for the medium's sake, it was because they felt they had no alternative to get attention during the vtubing boom. They feel like it's worse to be a vtuber, it's lesser.
>>90735721Mori is our new thread darling> but vcrslopit's okay when she does it
>>90736472
I love big mooms
>>90736275anon that anon isn't talking about why there's red tape around perms, he's talking about why someone would quit over perms>>90736182I mean, as an entertainer you should be doing things you enjoy instead of playing random shit you don't. I don't think I'd personally quit over it were I in their place but I can see how it could be demoralizing and just another thing that affects your motivation. Timed perms are cancer though, and as much as I hate it there's not exactly anything Cover can do about it either since that shit has to get negotiated in advance
>>90736499Unfortunately they will forever have to deal with that shit unless Cover USA takes over management of HoloEN.
>>90735135watch them screech and blame le idol culture when one of them gets harrassed because of their doxx spreading again
>>90736576GB.. that's kino
>>90736586Chu chu graduation chu
>>90736586chu
>>90736586Chuu
>>90736499Mori has been able to deal with Dark Souls just fine for months despite shitty perms. Some this is probably on Fauna for being a doormat.
>>90736499That reminds me, isn’t Stardew Valley literally the one exception where they don’t have perms but they let the girls play it anyways? I remember there was something weird with that and I think Mori said that management will never allow something like that again.
>>90736472>>90736576>>90736672>the face of Shiori reading chatkek
>>90736446people don't really internalize just how slow and inefficient HR arbitration tends to be as company growstechnically, an ideal situation would be where a talent complains about their manager and the latter gets removed as swiftly as a water girl that served tap to Beyonce, but for one, the girls aren't even close to that level of celebrity, for two, that system only works as long as you don't end up with some shithead/crazy talent (ex. Rushia), who could cost you good staff
>>90736182Fauna is clearly someone who cares about that stuff more than others considering all the random shit she likes to playRemember she also used to do those long variety endurance streams but management stopped those and said all games need to be from the same publisher in a variety streamWould that be a big deal to everyone? No, but for those that it IS a big deal to then it matters.
>>90736312Ummm? Shioritomos? Are we cucks?
>>90736603>I mean, as an entertainer you should be doing things you enjoy instead of playing random shit you don't.While I agree 100% with this statement and everything you said in the followup there is one thing that NEVER EVER left my mind>not a single one of the former corpo chuubas that gained their freedom benefited the slightest from "talent freedom" with regards to permsI don't think there is even a single example of a chuuba going indie and then people saying>WHOA! Turns out being able to play such and such game without perms / doing such and such content without perms / being free to do such and such stream without perms was a REAL deal breakerFor most their content didn't depart far enough from their corporate self to even imply it was a competitive disadvantage
>>90736662well, they blamed zaion when it happened and then said there was never dox of her
>>90736472>shiori is now removed from the cgdct wall
>>90736446That *is* a systemic issue in a company and something that western ones are trying to somewhat address, though as per usual those attempts more often fail than succeed so people lambast the idea
Since we're talking about ShioriSoon:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26-2TydemYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26-2TydemYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26-2TydemY
>>90736312>Oboretaifake ass watamate
Can't believe Fauna was the impostor all along
>>90736748Dark Souls is one of the "nicer" timed perms. You get them for a month at a time. Fauna just had the issue of her actually getting the perms and her manager not telling her before they were almost out.
>>90736756S-shiori totally loves the holostars and they're part of the hololive family, and they totally talk all the time behind the scenes and are friends...Just ignore that she didn't know any of their names kek
novelcucks and sapcucks
>>90736822I never said it was a good reason to quit or that people did better afterwards, but it's a morale issue, logic doesn't apply here.
>>90736312>oboretai
Homobeggars can't even leech correctly
>>90736571Mori truly grown into EN's own Towa
>>90736576I thought she'd stop mentioning da boys..?
>>90734179ugly
>>90736586chu chu chuuuuuhang in there goob
>>90736541Oh thanks chartanon saved to check later
What to do now that Hololive is over?
>>90736748Mori actually played DS1 permless because management didn't properly route her requests and could've lost the channel over it if someone at From woke up crankybad example
>>90736880She did though. She even rembered their designs and matched them with the models lmao.She knows all about them
>>90736788always has been
>>90736913does mori have a dick
>>90736905Again, I'm not disagreeing with the general idea but with the outside perspective, lots of people even in this thread think it is such a deal breaker but the reality of the matter is: IP owners can and do enforce their rights meaning streamers can either suck it up and go with the ones that are friendly or forever be salty about things that are completely out of their control.
>>90736999lmao
>>90735588EOPs cant translate Japanese autism, for a JP and especially anti-confrontation Aqua her exit was about as close to burning things down as you can get
>>90736996watch indies of course
>>90736999Oboretai, I'm amazed you haven't killed yourself yet
>>90736905This feeling like you are able to do stuff is important even if you do not do those things. It is kinda like RPGs where you can be the most evil bastard imaginable but like 90% never do an evil playthrough, taking away those evil choices will make the RPG feel like it forces you to be a goody two shoes with no depth (see for instance the new dragon age)
>>90736749Mori twisted their arm to accept non-explicit perms (aka the general statement of the publisher)it was just such a titanic hassle she's not trying it with anything else
Back to the homo time loop I guess
did we get bored of the graduation shitposting already?
>>90737080
Can we go back to cuckposting Fauna again. This Shiori timeloop is so boring.
>>90737062>Upset novelcuck
>>907370075 foot scythe
>>90737128Ennacuck is samefagging again, this time Shiori is the target
Fauna won btw
Wtf? I'm only getting twitter notifications now from tweets hours ago
Should all homostars be terminated? Answer yes.
>>90737132fauna cucks you with shiorin
>>90737044I'd emphasize again that a lot of talent complaints about perms are fixable process problems on Cover's part.>perms guy being a huge asshole>not getting notified properly of perms that come through>perms requests not even being sent, leading to last minute cancellationsThis emphasis on "erm the perms situation is just part of the industry and we can't fix it" is a red herring that lets Cover off the hook for needing to make this process smoother for their performers.
>>90737170Kiara lost
>>90737128nah
>>90737178That's always been the case, no?
i need blonde blue eyed women in holoen
>>90737157for sure
>>90737236chama..
>>90737204it wouldnt even take an hour to code a program where you enter the perms into a database and it auto emails all talents that wanted that perm
>>90734765>If gura or mumei leaves Holo EN is cooked.Fauna leaving will hurt a bit but after the month of good streams, people will calm down and the numbers will recover.If Mumei and Gura go to soon after, it will do a fair amount of damage. Probably undo most if not all the gains gains since Advent debuted.Ultimately though holoEN would still be fine. They'd recover
>>90737235NTA but I always tend to get them as soon as the tweet goes out.
>>90736312Man Shiori must be such a frustrating girl for the beggars, she isn't afraid to mention them but at the same time seemingly has no desire to collab with or support them outright
This guy must be one of the dumbest motherfuckers we have in this thread
>>90737287Sorry I am on Omegas side on this, she aint holoen, chamas english is too bad
>>90737340Mentioning them on her stream is the same as supporting them
>No guys, Shiori has problems with management too!!! Remember when she was forced to switch a thumbnail she made for ENReco for a more generic one. What do you mean she says she's not forced to do any idol activities and does covers because she finds them fun and to stop doomposting. FUCKING BOOTLICKER *Starts cuckposting*
>>90737204It would also help if they got someone that just called the PR departments of the companies instead of sending out a mail. The amount of shit that gets dealt with when you do it over the phone instead of mail is incredible.
>>90737314Seriously. If Cover hired me for like maybe 2-3 days I could literally automate 95% of the process. I'd even give them a discount.
>>90737340Kiara was similar but they started to annoy her to the point that they now hate her for the things she said
>>90737340Shiori does want shiori wants if anything the begging makes her not want to do it even more.
>>90737178twitter has been super broken for the last ~24 hours. for example, mumei has retweeted 3 times since fauna's announcement. only one of those are showing on her profile right now
>>90737235I always get notifications as soon as they tweet. Maybe a few second delay but not 9 hours late
>>90737236You had one already
>>90737236Post the better girl
>>90737325Fauna is the one that hurt the most because she actually streams and has high views, mumei barely streams and gura is gura
>>90737178Ok what the fuck that just happened to me with FUWAMOCO's tweets too
>>90737235Same, I just got GG's 4am gn tweet
>>90737204this is one thing that Kiara confirmed to be improving, so at least the complaints are being heard and worked on
Who will be a good 5th for the league of legends crew once Fauna gets booted out? Guessing Biboo is the only real option?
>>90737476sorry i like slender women with small or medium tits
where can I see a list of all the superchats recieved by a chuba?
>>90737540I noticed that some tweets getting posted here wasn't showing up when I went to talents Twitter yesterday as well. Something is definitely broken.
Myth will always be 2Mori and Kiara
/vt/ is honestly more addicting that vtubers themselves
>>90737631I vote for disbanding the damn thing
>>90737411The funniest part of that anti list that one sister compiled is that almost all of them are direct answers to begging sisters who annoyed her by asking about it.
>>90737396Lol Shiori and Mori both sounded like they had absolutely no clue what the fuck Fauna's problem with the corp was
>>90737646Hololyzer
>>90737646hololyzer has it per stream
>>90737631Mori is getting groomed into it despite her strenuous assertions otherwise, she can't resist cute girls asking her to do stuff for long
>>90737572it just sucks that shit like this takes forever to fix n a big company with all its checks and balances. It's a good thing in that it prevents retards from screwing things over but it also prevents shit that some retard did screw over getting fixed quickly.
>>90737646Hololyzer or playboard
>>90735062>from what i heard from someonecome on
I think IRyS has a full hairy butthole
>>90735302Hilarious people actually bite this bait. Kiara on stream has said she is very introverted and can go months without hanging out with friends or family. Anon is lying and samefagging.
>>90733887>>90733887/xhlgg/ awaits you saplings
>>90737693This one?
It's pretty damn surreal to think "Fauna graduates and causes a big drama on the way out" is a real thing
>>90737769Tanishi should draw an IRyS doujin
>>90734539That's not true at all, there was actually a Mumei clip
>>90737801>please use my anti threadNo
>>90737810Shiorin would never do that though
>>90737810Yes, if you look at 4.>Again instead of ignoring the homobegging commentBecause most of this is self inflicted by the sisters and they are mad at Kiara for that
>>90737204I would not be surprised if Cover genuinely heavily underestimated just how much people consider the streams the main point of hololive, which is why they never bothered improving it. Meanwhile the way they book appearances at conventions there's a few every two months. The way their surveys get worded just reinforces their own bias when it's all about expo experience, concert experience, etc and nothing about streams. They may actually think fans only look forward to in-person events and streams are filler, when people only give in-person events such glowing reviews because for them personally attending they are 'special'.
>>90737325>>90737479Fauna is the biggest loss from the streaming perspective, losing Mumei and Gura would generally kill lots of hype for events in NA and also a lot of marketability of EN in Asian territories (where Moom and Goom gain a lot of points for being generic cute designs)the event hype could be somewhat patched out thanks to new debuts, but considering their EU focus, not fullythe Asia marketability would hinge on Biboo and FWMC to carryoverall not great prospects for EN as branch in regards of profitability, which would impact things further down the pipelineironically, probably only Mori would escape relatively unscathed since a lot of her popularity is so isolated to her music side (regardless of how low her average viewership was getting, her Spotify stats were relatively stable), but it'd likely kill or delay further Sololive prospects (which she doesn't even believe in right now)
>>90737925That's hilarious
>>90737340>>90737411Yeah it's sadly quite ironic. On paper their way of treating it is technically the "best" or most professional way of handling it (not interacting/collabing but also not pretending they don't exist).But in reality this causes beggars to seethe the most because they feel like there's "something" to latch onto while simultaneously getting repeatedly triggered that it doesn't work.
>>90737728see >>90736762sadly not an atypical thing at all
>>90738049yes that's what I said>It's a good thing in that it prevents retards from screwing things over but it also prevents shit that some retard did screw over getting fixed quickly.
STARTOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26-2TydemYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26-2TydemYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26-2TydemY
>>90737052eww trash.
>>90738153How about Indie (Ex-Hololive)
>>90738213Nta but I'll watch notFauna and still treat every other indie as irrelevant
Just Miko venting a bit about what's been on her mind.About the current viral JP rrat that Holos are millionaires (in USD)This shit is fake news btw. The Twitter antis read Cover's financial report and mistook Revenue for Profit>I think talking about money is always hard, but here let me try>I think that if you do this job, you can't go back to normal,>or rather, you can't live in society anymore>I think that's why I'm just burning, burning too much>I'm scared, I'll work hard so I don't have to work anymore (in the future)>I want to increase my savings>Honestly, yes, this is going to be a flaming story>When it becomes internet news, they will use this streamOnto the meat of the talk: >At first, there was news that [Chloe] is ending her streaming activities, or from the way I see it, I think it's the same as graduating.>And then, shortly after that, Fauna announced her graduation, and everyone, including the listeners of Hololive, was pretty shocked.>The fans, including the real fans, were really surprised, too. It was quite sudden.>That's right, I was really surprised too. I didn't know anything.>I've heard so many people talking about their anxiety on social networking sites.>But then, they started to make great leaps in logic.>It's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and people are saying that this or that might all be the same reason>Year by year... I think everyone can see...>You guys MIGHT think that the Hololive that you're seeing is probably undergoing some kind of major internal reform. That there MUST HAVE BEEN a big internal reform and a lot of things have changed.>And that they (Chloe and Fauna) could not agree with the new policies, so MAYBE they chose to leave.>But that's NOT the case. There's been no big change>it's just that every year, Hololive has been getting bigger, so it's been changing a lot, slowly.>The work content and amount of work are also increasing.>I think I'm getting busier and busier every year.>I've never gone to the studio this often before>I do think it's important to have more work and more exposure because it means that Hololive is getting bigger, and that's a good thing.>But I think it's also hard to keep up with the changes.>Yes, for better or worse, we are still in the process of development.>It's hard work and there were failures too.>With the management, for me it's like this.>When I take more jobs than I can do, it's usually because of me, accepting too much.>f I accept a job, I can't say no afterward. It almost becomes the company's responsibility then.>As I see it, It's not just me, it's the people behind me, the staff, etc., etc., and when I take that job, It's like I have to carry the company on my shoulders.>When I take a job I don't like, it's like half of my mental energy is already gone.>They do let you make your own choices. No matter how good the job is.>Sometimes I feel obligated to pick jobs that I'm not used to. For those, I just gritted my teeth through it.>You know, I've realized over the past few days that even when you're doing what you love, there are hard times that are really hard>Back in the Liar's Bar stream, honestly I felt like something was off>That's why I wanted to do another stream, this stream, to talk with everyone>You know, before I was always asked by management: "What do you want to do?">But they never suggested what I should do. It was all up to me.>And honestly, it was really hard.>These days they've been suggesting things more often to meOn the manager thing:>I wish they'd assign me my own manager soon>That's true, we haven't gotten to that point yet>here are plenty of cases where one manager has three talents, so it would be nice if there were more people>That's quite difficult to say, but it's the same for other companies>Of course there's no gaurantee that a manager and a Holo would click with each other.>Some Holomems changed managers.>But no, unless other Holomems talk to me, I don't know if their managers are oding anything differently to ours>I really love this place>It's really saved me, and I've been able to do a lot of things because I joined>It's the same for my private life, like buying a house for my mom>I've been able to build a grave for my grandpa, and things like that
>>90738029>Incel calling other people IncelKek
>>90738134Will da bois be there?
>>90737700with Mori we know she had issues with management, perms and what not, she butted heads over branding and her own behavior a lot, but in the end she worked out a lot of compromises while cleaning up her own behavior, restructuring her schedule and generally learned to play ballI think she's just finding it hard to imagine that someone like Fauna is in some ways more inflexible than herself, or that someone who seemed to gel with Holo and its expectations so easily and gracefully had conflicts this irreconcilable
>>90738248Based exHolo > Indies
>>90737941Fauna is a key member. Her fans are mostly from the west and especially NA and white. If Gura and mumei leave it (which is like they left) that demographic has no one to relate to. The rest are either Euroid or from Asian descent . That's why Phase connect is even thriving. They are mostly holo/pol/fags who are into white trash. Now Hololive looks like a lol fandom or a kpop fandom by how asian centric it's becoming more than it already is.
Faunya
>>90738029Hilarious thing about this is Kiara has by far the biggest stable of male side-characters her fans know about, complete with story arcs and all, out of everyone in Hololive. She's not scared of talking about male interactions at all, so it makes the beggar arguments a farce when they're working from completely incorrect principles based off not watching her streams. And it rubs in how much she doesn't consider the homos good content.
>>90738362I'd say Nerissa but she doesn't really have the streaming chops either.
2K DORUYAA
>>90738362Phase fans are all spics bro, we all saw the con pics.
>>90738362>Now Hololive looks like a lol fandom or a kpop fandom by how asian centric it's becoming more than it already is.It has a name and it's called Nijisanji
>super big tits>also hairy>you WILL look
>>90738324Mori at her core is a softy and will crumble at any push back, she's also very afraid of being cast out from any group.
>>90738257>600 employees>Girls don't have individual managers (PAs)That's still insane to me
>>90735135gatekeeping is good actually, once againtoo bad it's too late and normies ruined everything
>>90737254KEK wtf is this art?
>>90738543dont look
did sea brownskins ended their "unhinged" thread shitting for le ebin >parrot put me in the videomoment?
>>90738600>>90738607
Shiorin is doing tech talk...
>>90738543>>90738607Look at it
>>90738362Judging by the internet the main Phase demo seems to be Filipinos, like unironically, every single visible phase fan you see running around shitposting is from PH if you dive into their profiles. I'm not even shitposting
>>90738543>5 grandkids from on daughter alone.
>>90738568It's even worse because that's fucking JPImagine on the EN side where they need to hire people who are ESL to some degree
>>90738527They are still whiter than this
https://x.com/_omocat/status/1863689600755175672https://x.com/_omocat/status/1863689600755175672https://x.com/_omocat/status/1863689600755175672this looks nice
>>90738565that's for friend groups, she's much sterner with her working environment, she did make UMJ open an overseas store and bend the knee to most of her music and MV demands, and that was negotiation she had even less footing with than with Cover
>>90738709>>90738650
VCR overnow what?
>>90738667Don't forget they still have the requirement that you must live in Tokyo
>>90738362>>90738527>>90738650Like these guys said, on paper you are right Phase should appeal to NA white crowds since they talk about pol shit and react andy but in reality, the public for that shit is all third-worlders, most of latam and SEA cares more about burger politics than your average american.
what is our gameplan when parrot4chan and depressed nousagi make their drama videos about hololive They brought down niji this way....
>>90735945They all know about the doxsites, just like Mori said that all the girls come here.
>>90738401You can probably say the same with Shiori, Henma, and her offstream friends.
>>90738709I spot a few whites, was it offkai or another one? I don't remember but it was 100% brownoids in the phase stand.
>>90738768Pippa fans are not SEA.
>>90738793>just like Mori said that all the girls come here.when did this happen???
Is this true?>>90735375
>>90736462Yeah they kind of need to be hot before going that route I only follow one coomtuber (milky) and thats because she has fat ass tits to go with her model
>>90738769>Theynah, unironically it was khyo, he even got like 14k ccv in one stream, he also was farming 100k+ views in each of his niji videos
>>90738769Why do anything?They're just dramaturds, let them screech in their filth.
>>90738270Busy with Phasegirls, sorry
>>90738836I don't know what this creature is.
>>90738768Negro the audience for /pol/shit is literally browns
>>90738848Too chuuni
>>90738837I think he's corroborating what Mori said herself about visiting all of the places she can get feedback from
I'm still remembering how Fauna said her manager doesn't even watch her streams. God those tiny bits of info she gave really were telling in fucking hindsight.
>>90738848I didn't know Luna could speak english
>>90738824That's AX and there are plenty of white people in that photo if you actually look at each face rather than the mass of the crowd.I know because I was one of the white people in that photo.Now is like half of that photo Asians? yeah, LA hololive fans are overrepresented Asian for sure.
>>90738836>bvtm is not SEANice try kek
>>90738915Woops meant for >>90738362
>>90738935Yeah Mori doing it I buy I just wanted to know if she said "all the girls" come here
>>90738848no, but imagining it being said in the baby ass voice is hilarious so I'll believe it 100%
>>90736136That's the best part though. People are getting more aware that these "stars fans" are just grifters, mostly because it's just the same dudeds doing it over and over.
>>90738903"Pippa fans are not SEA."KEK
>>90738954>delusional brown phaseshitter goes mask offrumao
>>90738836All of her prominent shitposters like DN and BVTM are confirmed literal unironic actual island-dwelling SEA
>>90738709>>90738903The takeaway here is that white Americans are being replaced. But this topic is for another board.
>>90738937Same manager didn't even help with the reminder that the merch was closing.I don't even think the manager ever sent her the fucking preview pictures.
>>90739022Learn to read bro.
>>90739022That's a photo of Mori's panel at AX
Somehow attaches herself to NijiEN despite not being qualified >is the worst hire with the lowest viewersSomehow gets Luxiem to promote her endlessly with raid after raid, while spamming chinese content>runs it into the ground through laziness and dramaSomehow gets Nornis to bring her into their group as a random foreigner who doesn't even speak Japanese.>.....what happens next?
>>90738903
>>90738709
>>90738903There is literally a white guy in the foreground and is maybe that one in the background. And I think the left guy is latino
>>90739151this is Europe
Lets be real, the only one with an important statement about Fauna will be Nerissa. Not only because she hascthe sane manager, but also since she is the closest active member to Fauna currently
>>90738715No favoritism in holo btw
>>9073915199% if people in this picture are some shade of brown vtubing a non white hobby
>>90739226they owe Mori this entire sponsorship deal/fashion line tho
>>90739201Moom?
>>90739268>active
>>90738848Sounds like Luna alright nanora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l_6oIGTrbg
The craziest thing is how people always let her leech.She drives her career into the ground multiple times, but every single time someone is there to bail her out.
>>90739201Neither of them have said they have the same manager
>>90738848Sieg Kaiser Lunahttps://youtu.be/cOzEXE3DToE
>>90739268Mumei has finals.
>>90738753now we laugh>kuzuha homo gets all the bots as usual>the other homo still gets basically the same chat speed as him with a ccv 7x smaller
>>90738997This Starmin is based
>>90739338Ennaschizo, you're so endearingly crazy. You've thought about Enna more this year than 99% of vtuber fans. She's totally irrelevant and nobody cares, and yet you come in here and write these screeds to the void.
>Shiori's 5K average since her returnIt's incline time!
Update:Meds working overtime. Things are cooling off after yesterday's reassurances. Also people sounding insane due to going full /pol/ about Blackrock and MAGA.Yes somehow things go back to /pol/ and it derailed a lot of conversations.
>anyone other than kiara streams in EU time>gets instant 5kIs it really that easy?
>>90739268>>90739356finals = binging the sopranos
>>90739453Wow wtf just noticed, I guess empty slot but still.
>>90739407>ccv implodes from 3k to 800>everyone hates her rightfully so>out of the blue a RANDOM FUCKING GROUP just decides "yeah you can leech on us"This has happened multiple times. Her life is like leaping from lily pad to lily pad, as the pads collapse into the water there's always another waiting for her. For some reason everyone keeps bailing her out every time.
>>90739344It is beyond obvious anon. This isnt even a weak rrat anymore
>>90739136How do you guys think he's coping?
>>90739365uhh d-different chat cultures...?
QRD on the Phase yab?
>>90739553So you made it up, got it.
>>90739530i thought you were talking about Ollie www
>>90738848The Doflamingo of Hololive
>>90739567Shiori loves the homos
>>90739473Also Girls Frontline 2 is coming out globally in a bit
>>90739517>Mumei’s field work is actually trips to the Pine Barrens
>>90739136In the end promise was such a horrible name for a group
>>90739589Not even him but it has been common knowledge for a couple months already
>>90739594Mikeneko unironically referenced this panel right after Aqua's graduation.
>>90739683No, it hasn't. It's literally one retard parroting and no one asks for p[roof so retards like you accept it as fact. Please provide a timestamp.
shiori got vlog perms she was surprised they responded
>>90738715Oh shit that looks nice. Will it arrive before Christmas though
>>90736748calli is willing to stream and play at almost any time of the day, fauna and most ENs are somehow only streaming during the 3-4 primetime NA hours.
>>90739726if she didn't i would send a lot of complain cards to cover because Kiara had vlogs
>>90736653Cover (the main JAPANESE HQ) won't let that happen. Everyone will have to answer to JAPANESE rules.
>>90739594needs an edit with shiori instead of mingo
>>90739690Michelle Cat is the Doflamingo of ex Holo
>Shiori once again emphasizing that perms issue usually aren't managements fault
>>90739731Omocat tends to be pretty fast with shipping if you live in the US.
Apologize to NijiGODS holocucks. You were never actually ahead. Your investors are trying to cash out.
>>90739726>>90739792Might've heard it wrong but I think she got perms for a build-a-bear vlog idea she had (and recorded footage already iirc) but couldn't upload because of perms.
>>90739771What does that have to do with Dark Souls perms? And Mori mostly streams DS in NA time anyway.
>>90739841It actually is though.
>>90739853nijifags never talk like this
>>90739913>email company for perrms> no response> HOW COULD MANAGEMENT DO THIS?!
I don't trust this man..
>>90739913uhh actually isnt tho, it's japanese law's fault
Why does Luna talk like that?
>>90739983Who
>>90738257>I really love this place>It's really saved me, and I've been able to do a lot of things because I joined>It's the same for my private life, like buying a house for my mom>I've been able to build a grave for my grandpa, and things like thatMakes sense why she loves the group so much. Basically turned her from a failure into your model asian young adult (just lack a kid)
>>90738715omocat never misses desu
>>90740099>he doesn't know
>>90739909I think he misunderstood what "timed perms" mean in regards of DSit mostly means for how long the perms are actually active and they require renewal after the original length of time passes (Mori is currently renewing DS2 perms), so if you don't have a strict schedule or you expect interruptions, it can get somewhat tiresome
>>90738852Bro im pretty sure milky is like, really fat.Not like thick, I mean obese.
>>90739981The right move is then to send a follow-up and if that doesn't get a reply you call them on the phone.Not gonna fix everything but would help with a lot of the Western devs that just doesn't get perm autism.
>>90740099>no kidsnot for long
>>90739851I think I got my Omocat jacket only like 2 weeks later than the first ship date despite being an euro, they have a solid supply chain
tick tock holokek
>>90739453https://streamable.com/zjug3vSo that it's saplings are just going to switch to shiori now?
>>90737700Actually, does anyone? I'm not even sure if Cover knows at this rate./#/ has been suspecting her retarded manager, but all girls, JP and EN included, even her genmate (Bae) has been indicating that in their perspective, the main issue was with changes / growth and the policies coming with it. That doesn’t sound like an issue with any manager and I doubt Kiara or Mori would’ve lied to protect some random over a member
>I need to workout too>Gotta lose some poundsarchitect bros no...
>I gain weight in Japan, a lot of us did
>I gained weight in japan>A lot of us didAdvent more like Fatvent
>>90740417i like hows shes like wait.... no more
>>90740401I kinda feel like Fauna didn't tell anyone jack shit aside from maybe the silent ones (Mumei, Gura)Bae's talk about hololive seeing change felt completely unrelated because Fauna didn't indicate anything like that and has specific issues with management.
>>90739981Here's how you fix the perms: if it's a western company, give no fucks and just stream it, otherwise yeah, fax them requests.
suddenly everyone is watching shiori now, it's magical
>>90740466>>90740473This is clearly a lie, biboo eats half a nuggie and is full for 48 hours.
>>90740473FUWAMOCO have lost weight don't lump them in here
We need a full loli gen
>>90740508I feel like Bae was more addressing the rampant doomposting on Twitter and Reddit and not really Fauna per se. She probably us looks a lot on JP twitter where that angle was very prominent.
>>90739841Mumei has talked this before as well. People who don’t want to hear it aren’t going to listen.
Inb4 Fauna is just taking the cash and jumping the ship into retirement where she occasionally posts a shitpost video
>>90740533All she needed was massive drama surrounding a branchmate and no one else live for anyone to watch.
>>90740559based grey architect
>>90740626based, she did her three years so she can do whatever she wants
>>90740516Hololive used to do this with everything, the reason for perms autism is because the company was almost brought down by it. Remember the Holocaust? That scarred Cover forever, they'd rather be safe.
>>90740473>>90740557It's mostly her. We have stories of Advent giving her the food they don't like and bringing tuppers to save the leftovers.
>Shiori slowly realizing on stream that she might be autistic
>>90740626Nah, she's trying too hard to funnel, she'll be back streaming soon enough.
>>90740708>might be
Just realized Gura's PL unfollowed someone today, but no idea who...
>>90740626If that was the case she would have turned SCs on for her last couple of streams
>>90740778me...
Fun fact half of the people in global just realized how fucking bad Fauna's manager is.
>>90740603>She probably us looks a lot on JP twitter where that angle was very prominemtJapanese twitter is dealing with chloe drama not as much Fauna. Since both fauna and chloe announce graduation back to back both issues kind of merge into a big ball doom posting with antis mixing in.
>>90740805I don't get why the fans don't just compile all the times Fauna shittalked her manager and sent it to Cover if he's so fucking terrible
>>90740806Yeah the JP side is a lot more on the change of direction/overwork which would fit more with what Bae was talking about. But yeah shit is getting all mixed up together when it's kinda two separate things.
>>90740805Someone like Fauna shouldve had one of the better managers, like henma
>>90740401I'm starting to think Fauna kept everything bottled up until she had enough instead of talking with people who could help fix things.
>>90740873that would require watching streams which is simply not something many want to do
Don't fret business experts from drama troon comment section are working around the clock to crack the case of fauna graduation. We will know why soon
>>90740892>"I have had enough, I'm quitting!">Never did a single thing to improve her situationAh, the autism special
>>90740778she unfollow NotMori
I swear to God I'm going to lose my fucking mind if this is all because of miscommunication and manager gacha
>>90741015>miscommunication and manager gachaits that and faunas autism
>>90740805thing is, we heard some manager monster stories from a ton of girls, but the usual ending is "so I got rid of that nigger" and not "I left the company"combined with Fauna's clear dislike of traveing it does feel like she's taking the easy route out with even easier money awaiting her at the end
SHIORI 6K DORYAAA
>>90738837Recent member stream
>>90741015there's no way Fauna would be that retarded
>>90741015I think it's that and Fauna not saying shit until she decided to quit.
can someone update this
>>90741015i have bad news for you anon...
>>90741006I don't think she ever followed her
>>90740965kek, there it is>t-they all hate being idols!
>>90741015It's not. Stop downplaying shit and trying to shit on Fauna in favor of the company.
it appears the wave of seethe and drama is receding, welp, that was fun while it lasted
* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *Here it goes>77,038: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)>48,620: Suisei (Hololive)>42,954: Miko (Hololive)>41,664: Kagami (Nijisanji)>33,053: Marine (Hololive)>32,509: Sakuna (Indie)>29,169: Lauren (Nijisanji)>28,915: Miko (Hololive)>28,655: Fauna (Hololive)>25,048: Moka (VSPO)>24,528: Pekora (Hololive)>20,566: Kanata (Hololive)>18,367: Mio (Hololive)>18,193: Watame (Hololive)>17,473: Aki (Hololive)>16,360: Ange (Nijisanji)>15,481: AZKi (Hololive)>15,160: Rena (Nijisanji)>14,521: Hinano (VSPO)>14,477: Hinano (VSPO)>14,475: Fuwa (Nijisanji)>14,143: Laplus (Hololive)>14,003: Fubuki (Hololive)>13,108: Rou (Nijisanji)>13,055: Met (VSPO)>13,023: Calliope (Hololive)>12,272: Towa (Hololive)>12,111: Lamy (Hololive)>11,416: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)>11,220: Tamaki (NoriPro)>10,510: Cecilia (Hololive)>10,044: Ririmu (Nijisanji)Gold for Kuzuha with VCR GTA with Suisei getting silver with Shiraken and Miko, bronze
>>90741141>"Theirs no way ___ can be that stupid"
Shiori natty 6k
Man I feel like I don't understand half of what shiori is talking about so many inside jokes and lore talk, her streams definitely have a high bar for entry
>>90741130But she seriously said they all come /here/???
>>90741251Yes, Hololive is wonderful, and Fauna is retarded for ever leaving Wonderland.
>>90741238I'm not shitting on her though
>>907412488-17 win for nijisanji, hololive is deadtoo easy with vcr
>>90741262Yeah Shiori is pretty niche and insular. Which is completely fine, but does make it hard to attract new viewers.
>>90741334runt lol
>>90741328So why do you keep pressing with this minor miscommunication thing? Why do you keep minimizing her decision?
>>90741334wawa
>>90741284no, she was talking almost entirely of her own feelings and she was referring to social media in general
>>90741219Good
>>90741284no, all she said is that they read shit online
>>90741247it is receding because monkeys are sleeping, it was hell during sea hours
>>90741284just like when all of myth private dm with her friend cannor
Look at my pet sheep
>>90741334Kiara lost
>>90741262Don't worry they don't either. As someone who regularly watches I can tell you you repeats the same topics on loop but somehow manages to make more incomprehensible and worse souding every time.
Where's the waiting room Fauna
>>90741404this anon is dead right
Since the thread is slowing down a bit, I just wanna say I'm extremely happy all her ASMR are gonna stay. Would be such a fucking shame to lose that library.
its over
>>90741301Anon the entire company is filled with drooling retards. For better and for worse.
Nothing can ever go fucking right
>>90739365duh every story only have 1 protagonist
Thread saved
What the fuck why
https://x.com/ceresfauna/status/1863703328313455073
>>90741498not sure i believe it but ok
>>90741498Fuck manI feel like she has mentioned that someone has been doing pretty bad in her family in the recent past as well, would also explain why she moved closer to her parents
>>90741498>>90741528GOD is HOLOLIVE
>>90741528Did Cover send assassins to take her family hostage and stop her from speaking out?!
>>90741196ok
Gonna need all hands on deck for the tree
>>90741498>>90741528she's pregnant
these niggas really thought
>>90741588>>90741598>>90741621>>90741621She's been having family issues since the beginning of the fucking year.
>Shiori once again bragging about how good her manager is
>>90741621nobody crosses la famiglia
>>90741498i dont want to say karma but karma
>>90741528uh oh no irys raid today shitter number incoming
>>90741652
>>90741597Mittsu be like>okay, fuck it, she'll stay for sure
>>90741498>>90741528what timing....
>>90741673Shiori is always bragging about her manager, that or bullying him.
>>90741498>>90741528Can somebody tell me if this is code for something?
>>90741682sorry for shitting on kiara
>>90741498>>90741528Just rehome the fuckin cat
>>90741404>Worked on his favorKek
>>90741737No, it's not. She's had family issues since earlier in the year that she had to not stream for.>>90741746It's not her cat, it's her literal family.
>>90741383>minor>misscommunicating
>>90741713you wish, schizochama, it's first playthrough of Alien: Isolation in Holo, the 10k is a fucking lock
>>90741528This is dark BUT what if due to this emergency Fauna feels she needs Hololive money to support so she reverses her decision and stays???
oh wellhere's your en stream for the next few hourshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X26-2TydemY
>>90741612>A-Chan had problem with Hololive direction>Parent(s) fell sick>Fauna has problem with Cover>Parent(s) falls sickI'm seeing a pattern
>>90741247it always does, as SEA goes to sleep shitposting slows down, and then gradually ramps up as they wake upanyone visiting this thread for some time should have noticed this pattern by now
>>90741528Grandma Kirin...
Fauna is gonna give Shiori a 10K at this point (Ok not really but she's inching towards 7K showing a blurry screen ffs).
Kiara wonFauna lost
>>90741498>>90741528Oh that sucks. Hope everything is okay
>>90741785>Bragging about 10kLMFAO
>>90741713Kronii is playing HoloCure 2hr before IRyS's stream
>>90741816i'm starting to think shiori is a cute white girl
>no faunawhelp guess this is the main event for todayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6-nm8h5rvc
>>90741672Why didn't anyone bring this up earlier? This could for sure be a factor in the graduation, even if not the only factor, and stress over it could have affected everything else, the unwillingness to travel, etc. You'd think one of the Saplings here would have brought it up.
>>907419132 out of 3 on that one
>>90741248that's one sad desperate thumbnail from marine
>>90741924Main event for me is IRyS Alien Isolation.
>>90741934Because she stop talked about it. So I figured it was dealt with. Apparently not.
>>90741498Well that sucks, sounded like several girls made room in their schedule to join. I guess Biboo will just stream at her normal time now.
>>90741934I mean, her family stuff is baked in. Her 'refurbishment' at the start of this year was clearly related to her closet closer to her family
https://youtu.be/QHyDw_RcaQQ
>>90741803anon, she'll say she has a sick family member on her first non-Holo stream and in one day she'll make more money than through her entire Holo tenure
>>90741908show your oshi numbers ennacuck
Biboo heavily alluded to the fact that she wanted to help Fauna build the tree today, so she might do a solo Guerilla stream.
>>90741816this is going to be holoen post fauna please end me
>>90741913kek
>>90741854Shitposting was horrible last night during NA hours, either from schizo/dramafags or Saplings in the anger stage. Or both.
>>90742005D:
