>Kronii streams today>Kronii is fine with Cover’s direction>is currently happy even though there's been disagreements with management>Doesn't mention Fauna's name once nor address about her graduation>This is the FIRST time where Kronii hasn't mentioned anyone who has graduated.What the hell happened between Kronii and Fauna? this is looking grim..
possibly a fallen out
>>90778748>Literally everyone is against Fauna's decision including the most vocal girls when they disagree with management.>NO TIME TO DEFLECT TO DRAMA, BUT WHY DO THEY HATE EACH OTHER.Hmmmmm, maybe Fauna is in the wrong here and everyone knows it?
>>90778748It's starting to seem that Fauna might've been difficult to be around behind the scenes.
>>90778748Holy shit
>>90779041Does Fauna dress like a jirei girl/landmine girl IRL? If so that'd probably explain a lot.
>>90778748Kronii might've been too affectionate towards Fauna, yet she didn't return those feelings.
>>90778748Kronii is part of the clique
>>90778748Kronii siding with management and Fauna fucking off was something I would have never expected in 2022.
>>90779041the vegan white girl with a college background who went on a unprovoked rant about not being friends with viewers might be difficult to be around when she's not being nice for the camera!!!?NO WAY!
>>90779647That clique? HoloEN. It's nice to see everyone united.
>>90779647white vs asian race war is happening internally
>>90778748truth is all workplaces suck, there's no utopian work environment. However, the threshold of frustrations one could take are all different and likely lower for those who has never even flipped a burger. From such perspective, some may not be able to understand the reason to why another is leaving and build a cold attitude towards them.
>>90778748You forgot the part where she shadowbanned the term Fauna from her chat
>>90778748>>90778950>maybe I shouldn't feed into the controversies/rumours that might affect my livelihoodSeen this before.
>>90778748wasnt there a thread last month where kronii wasnt in faunas friend list?
>>90779801More like team chunk of meat vs. team vegan. Guess who is alone on team vegan?
>>90778748>>90778950Who knows, but Gura is clearly on Fauna's side here.
>>90779942Yep, clearly something went down
So now we're all agreed that Kronii and Fauna had sex, who was the top and who was the bottom?
>>90778950Yeah, dude, literally everyone leaving is in the wrong. I wonder how many times you're going to repeat this. It's also not the natural state of things for people to leave a healthy work environment. VSPO has literally zero graduates.
>>90779907Gura has basically been soft-graduated for months if not more than a year already. She's had her foot out for ages.
>>90779942and then it got immediately proven wrong
>Damage control thread #999999
>never have sex with your co-workers kidsYou will get it one day virgos
>>90779979>Doesn't care and doesn't stream all the time.>THE SILENCE IS DEAFENINGLMAO. Some retarded Hoomans are trying the same stunt and it is failing too, Chumbud. Saying nothing is consenting to the majority.
>>90778950>Literally everyone is against Fauna's decisionWhere the fuck did you get that? Everyone seems to have been pretty supportive, even if they don't have the same issues.
>>90780009And I hope she officially graduates so Cover can't leech off her IP anymore.
>>90778748fauna likely told everyone that she's not their friend and just work colleagues so some are treating her as a professional acquaintance to respect her wish
>>90780002>VSPOSpotted the desperate fag. You will never break into the EN market, failure.
>>90780110>Does nothing all the time>goes out of her way to unfollow Kronii's RM and follow Faunahmm
>>90779979>most fuckable model in the history of vtubers>goes to a bitch who refuses to streamgrim
>>90778748Kronii is legit mentally ill I'm sure whatever Fauna did to her wasn't that bad for her to be this much of a bitch
>>90779553Yes and she had a existential crisis when she went to Japan and saw all the young girls dressing like that there because she thought her way of dressing up was special lol
>>90780178Desperate for what, dumb fuck? Stop deflecting you worthless little slimebag.
>>90779647Kronii is the leader of the clique and bullied Fauna out of Hololive
>>90780132>Everyone seems to have been pretty supportiveAs in they wish her the best? Sure, but if Kiara or Kronii felt management was fucking up they would say something because they love bitching aobut management on stream. The fact nobody cares about Fauna's "issue" is really telling.
>>90778748>'I am fine with the direction Cover is taking.'>'I am happy.'>'I am not going anywhere.'>'We will get through this together.'> - Said by Kronii, Bae, and IRyS in those exact words in the same exact order in the span of 1 day.Yeah, this clearly isn't a forcefed script.
>>90778950Either they genuinely don't know what her reasons are, or they can't relate to them at all.Most of them really made it sound like they have no clue what the fuck Fauna's issue with the company is that would warrant leaving.
>>90778748>even kronii who has been fucked by management for years isn't with faunasapkeks... our narrative....
>>90780132Kronii refused to even mention Fauna’s name, in what fucking universe is that being supportive?
>>90778748Even Kronii? I need to watch it myself to make sure but what exactly happened behind the scenes with Fauna?
>>90780146Same. I hope Gura graduates do they can't sell her merch anymore.
>Fauna's graduation stream>"Kronii ... I forgive you."Kino?
>>90780336Post the clips
>>90780336This reminds of those jp anons speculating how many will come up and say that after the Fubuki tweet.
>>90780291Or they don't feel like it's their place to speak, since they haven't had those same issues, and don't want to put words in Fauna's mouth?>>90780355I was mostly talking about everyone else. Kronii and Fauna having some sort of falling out is something I can actually buy.
>>90780336I love my Hololive family!
>>90780336>kronii>forced script
>>90779759>with a college backgroundDo you understand how fucking stupid you sound you god damned clown?
>>90780344>Everything I complained to you about wasn't a real problemWhy world I take her seriously again?
>>90780376>Fauna's graduation stream>"Kronii...forgive me"kino?
>>90780336>>90780426phasebrowns really just want to make hololive nijisanji 2 but they can't lemayo
>>90780426trying too hard sis, or is the black screen stream coming in 2 weeks?
>>90780336Prease undahstand, Cover doesn't really have anyone working for them who speaks English anymore after A22 called it.
>>90779041Not really. All the girls were constantly saying how much they love Fauna.Kronii was the same, until a certain point last year.
>>90780219Well that explains everything then, the term landmine girl exists for a reason after all. >>90780146Cover will never willingly let Gura go desu. They're probably too scared to even make her an affiliate despite being one in everything but name, it would just tank their image and brand in the west. That said I dont think things would change even if Gura left and went back to being an indie. She's just not a streamer girl.
>>90780454She's been very open about management having gotten better for her.
I just like jerking off to them I don’t care
>>90780336>'I am happy.'Japan, this is not how human beings express emotion.
>>90780543Of she complains again, why should I take her worries seriously and not at pitybaiting?
>>90780451Unironically yes. Kronii is a classic psuedo rebel that just likes to complain about stuff when it doesn’t matter, but gargles the bosses nuts when the going gets tough
>>90780530>She's just not a streamer girlShe streamed daily/almost every day for two years.
>>90780661Insulting holo talents is not gonna make me want to side with you.
what happened between Fauna and Kronii?
>>90780146You mean Cover's IP.
>ctrl + feminized>0 resultsWtf is wrong with this board? Its like I dont even recognize you people anymore! *runs away crying*
>>90779979>Doesn't come back to address Fauna's graduationWoah, Gura's support is deafening.
Which one has a gock?
>>90778748Fauna is definitely going to end up backtracking next stream too at this rate. And everyone here will clap and think this is fine.
>>90780741Gura can only speak through her seizawa Twitter follow
>>90780707Let me know the name of the slant eye working in Cover's office that piloted the L2D model Gawr Gura.
>>90780697>Kronii>talent
green woman seems like a typical insufferable employee
>>90780451Remember the script she read year before last about the gifted memberships?Yeah, Kronii has been and will continue to be bullied into parroting corpospeaches. It's actually kind of lucky for us because she's nowhere near as good a liar as she thinks she is and it's easy to pick up on.
This is why I always disliked council being lumped with myth as the prelapsarian era. As gens they are fundamentally different in kind
>>90780774what happened to "I'll trust my oshi"?
>>90780336Kronii would never say something she was told to. If she wasn’t happy she would say so and she would say so often.
Of course Kronii has no problem with it. She loves the DEI shit. You guys forget her history before Hololive?
>>90780336>t. never watched kronii
>>90780905see>>90780859She already has. And this isn't the only example. Just the most obvious.
>>90780803Gura just doesn’t wanna miss out on the drama when Leaf redebuts and spills the tea on Kronii
>>90780929>She loves the DEI shit.Fauna is in a vegan cult, this line of attack doesn't work sis.
>>90780336It sounds like Cover wrote this using google translate.
>>90781004It does. We know Kronii is a commie whore. Fauna being vegan doesn't guarantee she likes DEI.
>>90779835Did she really? Lmfao
Gura is recruiting the SNOT cast. Trust the plan. 2025 will be a big year for indies.
>>90780884They're just dramafags. None of them actually give a fuck about Fauna or the other girls.
>>90780661this might be out of left field but I would love to be a polish business owner in 1940s germany and kronii is the nazi officer assigned to monitor my shop because i'm suspected of sheltering jews, and she makes me eat her out and i can't do anything about it because of her position
>>90781086LMAO.You'll never guess who she just unfollowed recently
>>90781048>>90779835retard
>>90778748>>90778950This place is like a middle school playground in the bully teen girl clique.
>>90780395There is none, because it's not true.
>>90778748i thought we hated her because of the homo collabs why does anyone value her opinion still?
>>90781191sarah is like such a BITCH
>>90781164Whomsp’ve?
>>90779979Now that's some high level delusional cope, Chumbud.
>>90780336>I'am Happy>we will get thru this together Mhhhhh....
>>90780189>nooooo why is everybody they fine and not throwing their careers away to support my retarded green grifter whore, they are all bootlickers i swear :((((i am so glad saplings got their comeuppance, get fucked
>>90781048Yeah, if you send a message with Fauna in it it'll show up for you but no one else will see it
>>90778748they prob had a heated debate and fauna accidentally called kronii dog eater when she actually meant to say meat eater. Unfortunate.
>>90781263So why did she unfollow Kronii?
>>90780193anon that's a child.
>>90781256kronii
Y’know guys, I think kronii is a lot more feminine than she used to be. If you check out her stream you’ll notice it too
>>90781367out of 10!
>>90781374Proof?
>>90781383had to make up for the fans she lost for homo collabs somehow
>>90780336>'I am not going anywhere.'Irys only said this several weeks ago, adding the word 'soon', today she just repeated the same. So fuck off.
>>90781383Not after today lol
>>90781342She never followed Kronii in first place.
>>90778748can't wait for shondo's tweet and rekt this homocollaber
>>90781459proof?
>>90781383Throwing your friends under the bus is pretty feminine
>>90780663That momentum just died out pretty quick, and it didnt seem like she was happy being popular before she went into Hololive either. Her drive came back a tiny bit when Biboo seemed to be actual competition, and then she just gave up.
>>90781164>check her following list>waterkumaHoly based
>>90781443>>90781480You’re just mad that kronii has bigger tits huh. Understandable
>>90781472You have any proof that she followed her?
>>90781374Gura’s rm never followed Kronii you tard
>>90781513proof that Gura never followed Kronii in the first place?
>>90778748>is currently happy even though there's been disagreements with managementDid she forget that just a few months ago she was the one attacking management for being incompetent? Why is everyone memoryholding the shitstorm that followed that little fiasco
>>90778748Without delving too deep into speculation or saying things definitively that we can’t know, it does SEEM as though there’s been a rift between them for a while. Whether this is deliberate or not, I wouldn’t be shocked if something like that was the subconscious driver behind the wording
>>90781472burden of proof is on you retard at no point did the idea of notgura following/unfollowing notkronii exist an hour ago
>>90781569No, proof that Gura's RM ever followed Kronii's RM.
>>90781613no the burden of proof is on the accuser which is you
>>90781584I dunno, but one thing is 'manager' and other thing is 'management'
>>90781613no the burden is on you
The most coherent rrat I've heard so far is that Fauna just despises travelling and being away from home for too long, and with a shift towards more recording and live performances it's just not gonna work for her. That's why the rest of EN is understanding(cause flying halfway across the world multiple times a year kinda sucks especially if there's a chance management will fuck up and make your trip worthless like they did with Ina) while also being fine with doing it themselves or have wanted to Japan wholesale even before they joined. It's why the JP's are telling people to chill the fuck out, cause Chloe's leaving is only partially similar(and has more to do with her own health). It's also why Fauna said she didn't really hate the work itself, as I'm sure if she could teleport she'd be there forever.
>>90781342retard>>90781629
>>90781584Kronii is only going along with this because she hates Fauna even more than she hates management
>>90781704this
>but what about Gura!!Promise is a dead gen and deflecting won't help lol. Enjoy it while it lasts krokeks/promisenigs
>>90781258I don’t know why she looked directly at the camera, said my name, and then pantomimed doing fellatio while making gulping noises. She didn’t have to do that, but she did anyway.
>>90781703Thanks.
>>90781472>>90781613>>90781669
At least with the people living or staying in Japan i can understand it because Cover can literally fuck their lives over like they did with Ina when she stepped out of line but for people like Kronii? What's her excuse?
Basically Kronii has been sexually harassing everyone in EN and has become the "Queen" of EN so to speak. Fauna refused her advances about 6 months ago which had led to her being ostracised from the group which is why she wasn't in the GTA collab. If you haven't munched Kronii's carpet, you're basically done in hololive.
>>90779979>senzawa is following lemonleaf>dooby is following lemonleafWhat are they planning, chumbud?
>>90781691Maybe she didn't want to take singing or dancing classes, but she said she wanted to be an idol.
saplings are so desperate to rally others to their side, they just make shit up its hilarious seeing them breaking down
>>90781735Gura is going to expose fraud like Kronii so hard
>>90780189>goes out of her way to unfollow Kronii's RM and follow FaunaThis is just a rrat, right?
>>90781657you asked me why she unfollowed kronii unpromoted. She never did. what makes you think she did
>>90781489Isn't that the ZZZ artist?
>>90781797>but for people like Kronii? What's her excuse?It is called being honest, dipshit.
>>90781813>she said she wanted to be an idol.Talk is cheap
Kronii fucked fauna until she cried with her gigantic clock
>>90781789Gura’s rm has never once followed a single hololive rm account until Ame created her new one and Fauna when she graduated you retard
>>90781789Where does Risu fit in to all this
>>90781870The main artist, yes, but before that he did a shitton of NSFW cunny art
>>90781789This doesn’t answer the operative question
>>90781889this proved that Kronii is a bad person and will be exposed by lemonleaf when she comes back
>>90780600Eyyyyyyyyyy
Stupid bisexual clock lady.
>>90781922On my dick if I have any say in it
>A BUNCH OF GUYS GOSSIPING WOMEN'S ISSUESMan, that's the GAYEST THING Vtubing ever invented
>>90781932notkronii was never followed, retard
>>90781855The first part is completely made up, the 2nd part is true
>>90781982And yet here you are, trying to gossip about a bunch of guys 'gossiping women's issues'Interesting!
>>90781952Dramatubers are gonna lose so much credibility in hololive members eyes if they go full ham. Especially now that other members are saying their situation is fine
>>90782010don't care. all will be revealed when lemonleaf finally expose Kronii bullying
>>90778748She never mentioned da boiz and Fauna is still here until Jan 3rd.
Post clock tits
She unfollowed her in her mind>Source: I have a cerebral link with her via a series of tulpas and noticed a the void left by our mutual Kronii tulpa
>>90782010Yeah I know, that’s what I’m sayingSpecific point aside, many holo rm’s follow each other. Gura has specifically only done this for graduated EN talents (she likes). Make your assumptions, but to me the pattern seems to be “keeping track of people I can’t follow on my company account anymore.”
>>90782062Didn't meant to post to that
>>90781982Whether you want to admit it or not a good amount of men on this board are more feminine than any normie girl irl
>>90781691What about Aqua then? She said basically the same thing as Fauna
>>90782062>dramatubers>credibility
Fact is probably Fauna got told by Management to pump up those sub counts, which is why she did a numbers stream two days before announcing her graduation . She is the only one in promise not on track to hit 1 mil by the end of 2024. Even Bae as much as /vt/ like to call her the runt of their gen is at 992k while Fauna is at 944k. Management probably told her it wasnt good enough and she had to try harder, her response? Threw a bitch fit and resigned.
>>90782112Okhttps://x.com/madrawsstufd/status/1820372341966201010
>>90782062>Especially now that other members are saying their situation is fineYou do remember Niji did the exact same shit right?
>>90782216I don’t believe this
Theirs going to be a real Weinstein situation when all is said and done. Are you going to be able to watch a Dooby3D stream knowing that she knew about what Kronii did to Fauna and she said nothing?
>>90782162like 5 holos follow dooby. Mori and Kiara follow dooby on both their accounts
>>90782176It's pretty funny. The first thing faggots here do when Ame/Fauna announce graduation is run to their oshi and cry like babies to be comforted.
>>90782177She couldn't handle anymore management sanctioned and encouraged abuse
>>90778950/thread
>>90781797Remember that thanks to the ingenius magical device known as an NDA, Cover can fire them at any point without ever needing to provide a reason. They won't even speak about the topic unless explicitly told to. And they're usually given precise wording to use, see >>90780336Every single talent effectively has a gun to their head. Remember that anytime they say literally anything about managment, their coworkers, or teh grorious divine corporation which they're perfectly happy with.
>>90782301All right, fair, I concede the latter assumption. The pattern is still “person I like leaves, I follow on alt,” and it hasn’t changed
dramashitters taking advantage of the language barrier and suggesting that all 4 graduations happened for the exact same reason is their biggest success in a while but people are realizing it now that they can think clearly
>>90780530>Cover will never willingly let Gura go desu.They certainly can’t force her to stay either. I have no idea what the backend graduation/affiliate process entails, but I would not be surprised if there are hefty fees involved if a talent wants to graduate early and becoming a affiliate probably waives those fees. My rrat is that Gura wants out of Hololive but is not willing to pay the exorbitant fees to graduate early and does not want to be an affiliate so she is waiting out her contract instead.
>>90778950>Literally everyone retard
The Gura faction lost. Get over it
>>90782405I'll applaud Gura if Cover can't sell merch of her when she goes. Not even because of this Fauna or Aqua shit, just because fuck corporations.
>>90780344The difference is kronii fights back and fauna just quit.
>>90782528the difference is that Kronii is the reason Fauna has to leave
>>90780543Proof of this before this week?
>>90782405>hefty fees involved if a talent wants to graduate earlylol are you for real? In America employers can fire you at will, which also means that you can walk at will. I dunno what kind of hellhole you live in, but there's no "quitting fee" in civilized countries.
Why did she ban Fauna's name from her chat?
>>90782528Yeah and given Kronii’s combative nature and hostility towards Fauna, there’s a good chance shes the one who pushed Fauna out of Hololive to begin with.
>"I better get back to reading superchats">Tangents againI love this dork.
>>90782511I’m sure Cover makes a killing off of Gura, considering they plaster her face fucking everywhere.
>>90782632she is afraid
>>90782632Because she betrayed Hololive
>>90781462Shondo would be staring a fight she can’t win. It would be Pippa vs Nyanners all over again.
>>90781805I belive this
>>90778748A lot of members have mentioned troubles with lower level management.However many have also mentioned really good personal experiences with their personally assigned managers.And multiples have mentioned that they have changed managers, even multiple times, before settling with one they liked. IIRC Kronii herself said she changed a few times?So I think it's possible some members are more assertive and can tell upper management to switch out their manager and deal with some months of trials with people they don't like until they find "the one". Some members are just lucky and like theirs right away (eg. Shiori).And maybe some either keep getting managers they fight with, or aren't assertive and never switch.
>>90782737lmao she'll expose Kronii deeds
>>90782497SNO leaving is the only way to save hololive. I appreciate Fauna going first.
>>90782676A killing is an understatement. As far as revenue goes Gura IS Hololive.
>>90782632She doesn't want to be exposed for being a hypocritical bitch. Baffling that she's standing up for management when Vesper and Magni have been shitting on it ever since they quit and she shit on management with them the entire way through
>>90782234Niji had multiple ex-members backing up each other's stories, while the current mebers directly said they were lying, while Holo doesn't, and most members has said something along the lines, "I've not personally had any problems, but I understand Fauna's decision."Niji was two sides having opposing takes, while holo is individual cases that the current members aren't trying to say is a lie.
>>90780336clearly you wern't there for the past 12months and just got up istg, go back to sleep anon
>>90782604The talents are not employees in the traditional sense and are contracted to work for Cover. People, no matter where you’re from, cannot just stop being beholden to a contract they signed as that would defeat the entire purpose of a contract.
>>90782216I blame FWMC and their number autism
>>90782905copeKronii is literally Elira
>>90782831White power brother
>>90782940I don't need to cope when you're just making up stupid shit.
>>90782905Explain Vesper
>>90778748>kronii is having an idol journey>fauna going back to her indie cliqueHow the FUCK did this happen
>>90782831Why are Americans like this?
>>90781889She never followed Sana?
>>90783000yes you do. and you need to do it harder corpo dog
>>90782802Something Kronii would 100% ignore. A few days later management will make a vague tweet about not trusting rumors defaming talents and that will be that.
>>90782905>I haven't had any problems with management All of them have shit on management multiple times. Why are they lying?
>>90782940Kronii is worse than Elira. At least Elira didn't literally rape Dokibird
>>90783058>100% ignorelmao her reputation, and hololive's, will be damaged
>>90782296I can watch a Doki stream knowing that she knew about all the sexual harassment taking place at niji.
>>90782234Not in their member streams.
>>90783022One finally took the producer cock, the other is married with children.
>>90783016He's been very open about the fact that he's not good with having boundaries placed on him.I'm not saying he didn't feel like the management was bad, but he's also not exactly the best judge.
>>90783029Why would she? Gura basically never interacted with Sana, while Ame and Fauna are 2 of her closest friends.
>>90783179They interacted in Minecraft and were fond of each other.
>>90778748It's clear they fell out. Secretly Kronii is happy
>>90778748It's inarguable at this point that kronii was a part of why fauna quit just not the only reason. Fauna is a hyper sensitive conflict avoidant character and having a conflict seeking genmate who obviously doesn't like you for whatever reason will decrease your desire to work at a company.When you quit a company it's not just 1 thing, it's a lot of little shit with 1 major trigger
>>90783079"I wish management was better" and "Management is fucking shit" is not the same thing anon.I can easily have issues with something without thinking it's a big deal.
>>90780508What people say publicly means less than nothing.
>>90783163He has the most experience working in an office setting and Magni backed him up the entire way. Now it looks like Altare and Axel are backing them up too. He also has first hand experience with management autism after he got suspended for standing up for himself I think he's reliable
>>90783029In the mind of /vt/followed pre-holo = nepo nepo nepo followed post-holo = doxfag doxfag doxfagdoesn't follow = they hate each other
>>90783238Bruh it’s not even a secret
>>90783284Could be a Stars issue then. It's not exactly a secret that they're an after thought.I can buy that they're saddled with the shitty managers that the girls reject.
>>90783268But they were complaining about it and openly seething about it. I'm pretty sure it was a big deal to them
>>90783254This is a very succinct post, and I agree.
Fauna's graduation is just various shades of gray and everyone is debating in black and white. Fauna's manager has always sucked shit, and Cover isn't the best about hiring decent managers to begin with. Women are involved so there's bound to be someone being irrational and we may never really find out the exact details.
>>90783455Pretending management isn't shit while they forced Chloe to record while she had the virus is black corpo tactics 101
>>90779759>unprovoked rantlol
>>90783455>Cover turning a blind eye to Kronii sexually assaulting Fauna>Not black and whiteYeesh.
>>90783284>Magni backed him upare you sure you want to include this as evidence for your case?
I see people keep comparing all these talents saying similar things to the Niji black streams but no one seems to be disparaging Fauna or saying she's crazy/lazy/evil. They all even say that management has fucked up and they don't always see eye to eye with them or cover's new directions. Maybe Fauna's situation was more like Ina's where they were going to arrange something, someone fucked up and she wasn't as forgiving? I honestly wish they would be more open about this.
>Kronii banned the name fauna in chat>she didnt>notGura unfoolowed notKronii>she never followed her to begin withIM NOOOTICING THINGS
>>90782254I am not saying thats the only reason, but more like the last straw that broke the camels back.
>>90783163>>90783284>>90783572You forgot that Randon followed Kronii's RM on twitter and she had a meltdown the very next day saying "leave me the fuck alone" and he unfollowed her.
>>90783630But these things will happen at some point
>>90783630>>she didntShe did.
>>90783629>No one said she's lazy Fubuki>No one said she's crazyEveryone who said there are no problems with management
>>90783238When someone really likes another person then transitions to holding a grudge there's no happiness involved, it's all negative emotions and coping
>>90783659Shit that didn't happen for $500 Alex.
>>90783646Bae already said they've known she'd leave for a while now.
>>90783714Fubuki did not call anyone anything you retarded schizo. No one said management was perfect. Many of them literally emphasized they don't always see eye to eye with them. You don't watch streams or you're a false flagging phase/bvtm fag.
>>90783630where does mooms fit into all this
Women should never be ambitious. Stop chasing the idol dream and stay home to play video games and be fully dependent on males, me. That all I want from a woman.
>>90783414There are two kinds of people: The kind of people who bitch and complain about something but never do anything to fix it, and the kind of people who put their money where their mouth is and walk if they don't like it.Most women are in the former category, which is why their wages are usually lower. They never even ask for higher pay, much less quit if they don't get their way. They have zero bargaining power as a result.>manager-sama, could we please do things differently?>no>okay manager-sama, i will reflect on my words and deeds... orzvs.>manager, if you don't shut the hell up i swear i'll fucking quit>w-what?? you can't do this, you're supposed to just accept whatever we decide! ;_;>fuck you faggot, consider this my resignation
>>90783757https://x.com/towababy/status/1711786670100807762
>>90783714Don't know about the first one, but everyone has only said they personally didn't have any big issue, with some even specifically pointing out that they still have minor issues, and that they still understand Fauna's decision.Them not having the same experience as Fuana's does not invalidate Fauna's experience.
I can't understand how women think. Can anyone summarize all this into skyrim terms?
>>90783757
Total hololive death! let's go /s
>>90783837>>90783920>Vesper graduated in August>Tweet is in OctoberOkay buddy.
>>90783837I was skeptical of the whole Kronii bullying Fauna rrat but this tweet really makes it seem preeetty likely
>>90783942Anon, look up when Orc became active again
>>90783888Fauna is like Serana turning against her vampire lord father and his coven of flesh-eating vampires
>>90783942Guess when he followed her on xitter and when he became active.And when she had a melty.And who's the only two homo RMs on the entire xitter she doesn't follow.But feel free to cover your ears and lalala out of the thread.
>>90783990>>90784021I don't believe it when I consider how friendly they were prior to his graduation. You're gonna need more proof than that.
>>90783947if anything it implies the opposite
>>90780530>the term landmine girl exists for a reason after allWell, before it was a mainstream fashion trend it's what the alcoholic highschool girl prostitutes in Shinjuku would wear.
>>90783920women trying to sound threatening is so funny to me
>>90778950I'll only trust mumei and gura at this point. They were closest to Fauna.
>>90784036Nothing I show or say will convince you, but here.
>>90783837>told sexpest to fuck offbased i knew you are on the right path which is the idol path
>>90784036>they had good relations before why would they suddenly not like each other?gee I dunno anon you want me to walk the dog or do you think you can handle it this time?
>>90784085Unrelated shit? Okay.
>>90783629I agree with you but my main issue is how sudden and overwhelming the support (however minor) towards Cover has been from the girls. It all comes across as very disingenuous to me.
>>90784122Fine, have this. Kronii, known brapper is the one mentioned here.
>>90784078Same. I don't expect them to chime in though.
>>90784085sapcucks pretend this is photoshoped
>>90784036if you want actual hard proof, Kronii also unfollwed Vesper on her main account, not Magni, just him
>>90784180He has talking about his old workplace, retard. Why the fuck would Kronii and Vesper be in a conference?
>>90783768Fubuki called Chloe lazy. Saying you have so much free time you're bored and that laziness is a disease immediately after your coworker quits and cites overwork is high grade passive aggressive behaviour. It's even more obvious when she says in person I hope she can be happy in the future working at her own pace. At best it's severe levels of poor timing and bad phrasing but Fubuki isn't stupid.We know she is aiming to be CEO or a high up management figure because she doesn't like being treated like a kid around staff, the other piece of information is the stock price fell by 15% which puts the corporation she cares about at risk. It's understandable why she would be angry at people throwing cover under the bus but it's also uncharacteristically petty and off-putting while also indicating a work culture that is prone to bitchiness. I no longer believe that the jp side has successfully avoided the pitfalls of an all women work environment.
>>90784220This proves nothing. There's no proof she ever followed him in the first place, or that he even collabed with her.
>>90784180He just sounds like a massive autist.
>>90784250I said main account you retarded monkey. we're talking about Kronii, not her rm.
>>90784248>I no longer believe that the jp side has successfully avoided the pitfalls of an all women work environment.Never did. I did believe EN did, but that was silly of me.
>>90783808People who have options don't complain, they make demands and if they aren't met they leave and take the better option. People who feel stuck complain because there's nothing else they can do about it.
>>90784319She never followed Vesper.
>>90784357I accept you concession.
>>90784170I dunno, it didn't feel disingenuous from any of the few girls who have spoken up. I think Kiara's take on different managers is probably the most telling because I can see someone like Jenma getting a pass on an oopsie from the goodwill she's earned with Kiara specifically, where as, I don't know too much about Fauna's manger. Kiara's music situation/her hating her previous manager Jchad, Ina's passport thing, Kronii getting mad at the lack of promotion for her events, etc. etc. have always been out in the open but I never saw Fauna say much so it makes me even more curious.
>>90783837My god. It's all coming together
>>90784248>Fubuki called Chloe lazyNo she didn't and now you're saying she called Fauna lazy to her calling Chloe lazy. Get your story straight, retard.
>>90784248>Fubuki called Chloe lazy. I’m assuming this is about the tweets on Fub’s second account? While I don’t believe she was being malicious with those tweets, I understand how it can be seen that way. Similar to the Reimus “an attempt” tweet. It’s something entirely benign but because of the timing of it, it gets seen as a deliberate attack.
>>90784321Plenty of people DO have options, but refuse to even consider them. Again, this is why men have higher wages than women. Men will actually just walk if they don't feel like they're being valued. Sure, it's scary and exhausting to change jobs, but the threat of doing that means you have actual bargaining power.
>>90784248Are you a child or something? There is no path from being a talent to the executive side.
>>90784448There isn't only 1 person on this board you retard. She doesn't know fauna and obviously wasn't talking about her.
>>90782799While problems are happening with management at individual streamer level, there is also something happening across the company. It impacts streamers who on the creative side or at least want some control and doing anything different that needs approval from upper management. If they are living in japan getting that approval seems easier.
>>90784423 (me)Last piece of a puzzle I needed to understand timeline of my krofau rrat
>>90784459You really think a group of 60 women doesn't have petty catfights, friendship groups that hate one another,etc?
>>90784409>her hating her previous manager JchadWait, isn't that the manager Mori praised to high heaven?
>>90784459>It’s something entirely benignAs someone who worked in a workplace that included 10 females and just two guys (including me), I can assure you - women never do anything "benign."
>>90784448Why would her "AHHHHHHHH I HAVE SO MUCH FREE TIME" comments be directed at Fauna? Again Fauna never said anything about workload or being overworked or anything like that. It's just Chloe and Aqua that did that.
>>90784409What I find most interesting is that very few of the members are even talking about Faunas graduation outside of the tweets after the announcement was made. They all immediately moved into damage control mode.
Kronii barely does any work or even stream. she's getting free money while working on the side.
Death to Chloe.
The funniest part about this thread is that everything here will be memoryholed once the eventual promise collab happens before Fauna leaves.
>>90784514that anon never steps foot into working environment. This is speaking like 99% of this board
>>90784519>>90784559Schizo babbling. >>90784544Yeah, she talked about it before, but she was extremely happy and grateful for Jenma. IIRC Jenma has always gone above and beyond for Kiara even if she couldn't get her everything she wanted.
>>90784559Do you know how bad it makes Fubuki look if she's calling a girl who was forced to show up to work with COVID "lazy"?
>>90784611I memoryhole nothing.I save every screencap.My grudgepost folder is 386.43GB.I remember every rrat.I'm the rrat archiver.
>>90784678Chloe is lying.
>>90784514Because your ass told you theres an impenetrable magical barrier? If miko, suisei or fubuki wanted to shift into a managerial position nobody would deny them, how high a level they would be granted is another matter
>>90784538>Last piece of a puzzle I needed to understand timeline of my krofau rratelaborate
>>90784678*smacks lips* Hmmm lets compare the person who knows how to do work and the one who doesnt and lies about it
This thread is shit, post snake tiddy
>>90784611There won't be one. The only EN gen that had any real camaraderie is Myth.>AdventThey will attack the leaver in the same way Promise minus Mumei is against Fauna.
>>90784733Why would they want to be in management, what do you think most of the managers do at the company? Are conflating management with having part ownership?
>>90784570>I am happy>Everything will be alright
>>90782301>like 5more like every HoloEN other than biboo and FWMC I think, including all of Justice
>>90784815>the same way Promise minus Mumei is against Fauna.Take your meds.
Kronii and Fauna started dating in May 2023 and broke up on bad terms in October 2023. From love to utter hatred in extremely short amount of time. Kronii felt betrayed by Fauna and never forgave her ever since
>>90784653Stop projecting, managers in alot of companies come from staff who do the job they are managing. CEOs and high level exexutives also aren't created in a cloning vat and parachuted in, they work their way up from various different skill sets and entry points
>>90784762here >>90784886
>>90784675It's weird to me that there's so huge differences between managers. You would think that there would be some standard guidelines.
>>90784570Because everyone started flooding them with "Are you okay?" Do you also have issues with management?" "Are you going to leave too?"
>>90784919Signs?
>>90784815Anon, did you forget about the Sana graduation already?
>>90784762I am very excited to call you a faggot once you post it, anon! No hard feelings or anything though, just something that I gotta do.
>>90784951From trimmed nails to getting over it collab "you was not patient".Kronii's PL tweet in October
>>90784899>>he spouts as he sourced from facebook, instagrams, tiktoks
>>90784817I never said they all did, I'm saying Fubuki does since it's on record that she doesn't like to be treated like a kid around staff. There is absolutely no reason why you would care about something like that unless you wanted a specific sort of respect that is only needed or useful if you want to lead them. It is also generally obvious in her behaviour towards other members and corporate events that she fills a leadership role.
>>90784899Entertainment companies are not like other companies and most of the talent that leaves is not going to stick around they want to continue being talent. CEOs are also different from high level execs if you are talking about publicly traded companies.
>>90779979Gura is in the side of sitting in her ass and doing jackshit
>>90778748This thread is a tourist trap. None of you fags know that they were actually in a relationship>Fauna asked Kronii to visit her on her birthday>Kronii flew and stayed for 3 days>fruits basket marathon>watched Mario movie at a theater>reminisced and watched clips of devour and other old collabs>cuddled on the couch together with snail>slept on the same bed>Fauna was too shy to try on a dress at a mall, so Kronii asked the shopkeeper and bought the dress for her.>https://youtu.be/urMWdWlzDCw>trimmed nails>itchy nose>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByOPE-7wej8>Fauna lost on purpose and let Kronii win for 5 games>https://youtu.be/Zkvb0-6Kzo4?t=5788>Kronii: You're patient? oh really? You weren't so patient when that happened.>last tweet, retweet, or mention Summer 2023>last 1 on 1 collab Summer 2023>last mention on-stream (Kronii's end) Summer 2023They had birthday sex, went on dates, even in Japan. But their relationship fell apart sometime in Nov-Dec 2023, and they have been avoiding each other since(mostly Kronii, Fauna mentions her a lot). Kronii literally avoided talking to her in many many big collabs. This has been known for a while. Everyone else in EN has said something supportive about Fauna while defending management. Kronii still holds a grudge.
>>90780859She had to make a statement because people were getting fed up with giftfags hijacking the end of her stream sand her mods started shadowbanning long time kronies who voiced their opinions behind her back.
>>90785082Not wanting to be treated like a kid is not the same as wanting to be in management. If you are a rockstar and don't want the band manager to treat you like a kid doesn't mean you want to become the band manager.
>>90785231i believe it.
>>90785231Yes and then>>90783837They fucking broke up in October
>>90778950>Nijisis answer just like doki sagaNext
>>90785055You're embarrassing yourself. In creative companies the high level staff often come from a creative staff pool, why do I know this? Because I was in that pool and saw my own bosses who began their career with a creative skill set be offered executive level positions due to their leadership abilities. Any time someone sticks around long enough they are given people to oversee while undergoing mandatory leadership training. You can continue to project due to your own lack of corporate experience.
>>90785231>Fauna, do you want to try anal?>eeew noand that was the end.
>>90778748>A dyke who has no trouble with jap conservative managementIs this real guys?
>>90785293It's not about not liking it it's specifically about not wanting other staff to see it. This is directly from the fat cat who says she can treat her like a little sister but only among friends and not around staff.
>>90785231I believe.
KROFAU WAS REAL
>>90784817I'll also add that manager obviously doesn't mean low level tard wrangling, she obviously wants a executive position. It's not hard to see why an ambitious woman would want to pivot away from acting like a 13 year old internet anime girl as she approaches 40.
>>90782676Believe it or not, but Cover has been very slowly moving away from using Gura in marketing. She actually hasn’t been featured in any of their more major marketing pushes for the past few months
>>90785491Kronii is all bark and no bite.
>>90785750Based Korone
>>90780336She might have lied
>>90785750Mangingi talent she could get the job I see no reason she would want that. What do you think an upper manager at a company like cover would she do? Is she developing or managing software development? Will she be in charge of corporate planning, Logisitics or securing vc funding?
>>90785794Anyone with half a brain cell can see the twins are the planned new mascot, atleast for EN
>>90779984I choose to believe Fauna was the top because A. Kronii was made to be a bottom and B. Fauna tended to bully kronii in some SNOT collabs in a sexually charged manner that made my pp stand up
>>90785996Are they that popular in EN, their growth compared to gen mates is from getting Japanese viewers
>>90786157Doesn't matter. They are marketable.
>>90785933In an entertainment company there is always high level creative decision making that is necessary, cover itself is rapidly evolving into fuck tonnes of media that all require high level creative oversight. It is not clueless bean counters and software engineers telling retarded artists what to do.
>>90778748surprise surprise, the girls who i always thought were secretly huge cunts (kronii, irys) are not in the same camp as the girls that i always liked (gura mumei fauna). shocker.
>>90786214>It is not clueless bean counters and software engineers telling retarded artists what to do.That is what high level management at a company like Cover is. Some companies are creative/creator driven but you can look and see Cover is not setup that way. High level management there are MBA types and you aren't going to even have more then a dozen of those. Most of the creative work that isn't directly the talent is outsourced.
>>90786452Cover is actually set up that way, the decision to do shit like holowitches and enreco are high level creative business initiatives related to the creation of multimedia IP. They are baby steps but also smart in where they point, they aren't ideas that are solely being generated by guys with a business degree. Your image of corporate leadership is based on memes about banks and zombie boomer corps
>>90783714Fubuki was more likely reffering to Chloe than to Fauna and still there is no proof she was reffering to anyone you fucking monkey
>>90785561> Bae: you will never find answers you are looking forGuess what, rat. I found it. KROFAU SEX WAS THE ANSWER
I guarantee you that we will not have an actual, official final Promise collab. I’m not talking about the musical. I mean an actual live collab. That would require Kronii to speak to Fauna directly and actually acknowledge she exists.
>>90778748She hates Fauna and Fauna hates Hololive
