The graveyard expands
>>91226934>the average lifespan of a vtuber company is roughly 1.5 yearswhy do CEOs still keep trying to cash in?
>>91226934vshojo started in 2020
>>91227219my bad chief, it was so close to the end of the year i remembered it as 2021
>>91226934myholo is technically dead
>>91227310last time i marked them as dead i got yapped at for them 'technically' being still in operations just halted
>>91226934What about Vols?
is wanktor still alive?
I can only say thank you to Myholo tv and V4Mirai
>>91226934if you're willing to add holo en and niji en you should aslo add holo cn, niji ID and niji kr
>>91227424wow i cant believe ive never heard of them>>91227464its rebranded but also no en vtubers>>91227582that makes no sense those aren't en vtubers
>>91227464rebranded to 910inc
>>91226934V&U is dead too isn't it?
>>91227620>that makes no sense those aren't en vtubersfair enough
>>91226934I'm curious, how many of these died specifically this year? A %?
>>91226934Didn't realize that so many died. Insane.
>>91226934Bets on the next one? My money's on Vallure.
I guess idol still is technically alive but for how long
>>91226934My predictions for 2025>myholotv will announce closure instead of returning to operations>lucid closure>brave group IPs merge>PixelLink scandal and graduations>Anilive shuts down>ricorie closure>at least 13 nijisanjis scandals
>>91226934Where is Shirayuri Production?
>>91226934Aegis-Link is also missing
>>91227999
>>91227682yeah OP, we need a separate chart for death dates (plus a current category).
>>91228325I can do death dates, would it be better to make an entirely separate graph with the same layout, or just include the year next to each dead corp?
>>91226934Haven-X, man i haven't thought about those girls in a while. IIRC the only one still active is Roza Coatl who bought her IP and went Indie after a short stint in lucid.
>>91227352shrimply have them be half grey. Or put a big ? next to them, or >technically...
>>91227674No
dead corpo list expanded, now includes Vols, Shirayuri, and Aegis Link. fixed vshojo, added death graph
>>91227674No? Not even close? Fuck are you smoking.
>>91228074Is the blue one on the right a Selen-mama child?
>>91229443I'm rooting for VAllure. The whole whorepo thing is too funny to me, I hope things go well for them.Also what the fuck happened with this year?
>>91229719Yes
>>91229443on average, 58.36% of each year of company debuts end up dying. So out of the 2024 debuts, 4 to 5 of them could be reasonably expected to die. So the questions is, which ones will die and which ones will survive?
>>91229443>ShirayuriI wonder what Nyaru and Yoro are up to nowadays.
Total small corpo death
>>91227899>PixelLink scandal and graduationsDaiya will be caught with her boyfriend (Me) and will have to graduate our child.
>>91229752VSPO and Vallure will survive a while, the rest will die
>>91226934>AkioAIRI remember their first gen was actually good and then they debuted a minor in their second gen, the CEO got exposed as a groomer and everybody quit. Good times
>>91227899>>at least 13 nijisanjis scandalsThe Aster scandal will kill the branch (hopefully)
>>91229784They're both still fine. Nyaru was always the standout though. In many ways.
>>91229838>>91229731I don't care for lewdtubers, but I wont deny that it isn't an incredibly profitable and in demand niche. They seem to be doing really well for themselves, and I'm rooting for them too.
>>91229443What was the chinese agency that Sayu joined again? NOA? Does that one count?
>>91229954I'm in the same boat, I won't watch them but I want them to succeed
>>91229941you give nijisanji too much credit, they're surprisingly resilient. they'll keep things rolling even if a talent shoots up a niji meeting with a bunch of talents in it.
>>91226934AstraLine and socks agency?
>>91230058>>91229962will add NOA and socks
>>91226934How long are we giving SVP before it sinks? That's the corpo with two girls linked to a doxxnigger site and they nearly had a third.
>>91230122i'll give them one year
>>91226934I know this is a stretch but does the OG niji en that turned into niji india count?
updated
>>91230331Actually it was NijiIN->NijiEN->NijiIN->Dead
>>91229443>>912303442024 has seen its sheer amount of agencies returning their keys back. That's without counting agencies like idols who got sold to a big a corpo.you should add myholo to 2024 closed. They are irrelevant. Are they even English? there's like one or two members active/inactive.
>>91230344if 6 corpos die in 2024, i predict the survivors will be VAllure, VSPO EN, and NOA talent. dunno about the 4th because I don't realistically see any of the others surviving long term
>>91226934Nexas is dead? Is that true?
>>91230536yeah today
Ok this is one of the only places that may know about Real Corp, so if anyone can help me I would appreciate it.Does anyone know if Kora Kurage reincarnated somewhere? I really miss that lil' creature.
>>91228741Bro I had fun watching them and then just one day I stopped. Fastforward a year later and I wonder how are they doing, and the fucking rabbit hole it took me to was depressingGlad Roza at least seems to genuinely have fun just doing her thing
>>91226934glitch stars and v-seav-sea was never legally a company though
Does V-Dere count as a corpo?
>>91230344Jeez, 2024 was an hell of a year.
>>91226934>>91229443>>91230344>50% of your competitors disappearing from existence annually>holoEN averaging under ONE (1) single talent graduation annuallyreally puts the "two more weeks until collapse" shitposts into perspective
>>912301226 months. Enough for the starting funds to dry (in someone's pocket).
>>91231132well anon, calling them "competitors" is really giving these small corpos a lot of credit kekHololive's only real competitor is Nijisanji JP
>>91226934Hey, dig me a grave too :(
>>91230859I think you should check out this elephant.https://www.youtube.com/@MiviVNU
>>91230536Is anyone really surprised
>>91231125> wasThere's still 22 days left anonDon't jinx it
>>91231249theyre there
>>91231264Thanks anon, much appreciated. Huh, the voice doesn't feel always the same, but I see the connection from time to time. No wonder I didn't think much of her the one time I checked the VnU girls.
>booden
>>91226934Bond EN died a couple of months back
>>91228741Whatever happened to that monkey they had?
>>91229719
>>91226934Reminds me when people kept betting on the jews kek
>>91227899>brave mergingIf they'd keep homos from globie, people would seethe
>>91231241The only thing that will kill Hololive is cover corp pissing away all the talents money on bullshit
>>91227352they rebrand as vogi atmhttps://x.com/myholotv/status/1855548283973685419
>>91230486Aka Virtual is doing okay in SEA
>>91226934Will Phase Cucknet perish in 2025?3 failed gens in a row will tank anyone
>>91232278Jewcorp always rubbed me the wrong way. Especially when they pushed for the forced donothons.
>>91232587Which they've slowed down on massively this year. Clearly they've had a behind the scenes change and are pumping the brakes hard on a lot of retarded frivolous spending.Like the Holostars NYE live, for example. Unthinkable that they would just cancel it if you had asked me 1 year ago. It's a shockingly responsible decision even though it makes perfect sense (the last one got less viewership than many HoloEN talents get just playing random games on a Thursday night)
>>91229049>>91229668Disappointing.Here's hoping they crash and burn next year, then. They really don't deserve to exist.
>>91226934I thought MyHolo was dead.
>>91232975holoearth was an error, they should have just kept the mainframe that allowed them to have VR concerts ala Cinderella Switch instead of making a whole ass game, a mmo at fucking that.
>globie >specialiteare these doing ok or are they potential graveyard 2025, or more for brave group
>>91232975>Which they've slowed down on massively this yearThey have not, the holoearth budget is growing exponentially every year
>>91234552based retard
>>91226934Grimbros, we feast tonight
>>91232757Keep dreaming sister
>>91234552Globie is Brave Group
>>91232254Kamameshi finally made a cute model after Selen. Nice.
>>91236819Of course she did.
>>91226934Predictions:>PixelLink will get absorbed by Brave in a year or two>Anilive will crash and burn without the Nexans to keep it afloat>VSPOEN will start participating in more EN tournaments and gain slight notoriety in that way>HoloEN is going to bleed a few more massive moneymakers next year but will continue being stable>NijiEN will have a 3 more graduations but it's reputation will shift from "le evil company" to "just another annoying JP corpo like Hololive" >Vshojo will get 2 more JPs and 3 more ENs, plus they'll also partner with Brave for 3D solutions (Liggers will be r to Dooby3D instead)>Anti JP corpo sentiment will reach a peak next year and a few more "Western Friendly" companies and groups will pop up in responseThose are my predictions for the next 1-2 years
>>91236819Yes
>>91237479Didn't this one stop streaming?
>>91237570She reincarnated into a silly axolotl girl if you know where to look.
>>91236958absolutely
>>91233079they're on hiatus technically
>>91229752I can imagine FSP EN outliving at least a few of the others that debuted this year since they don't really have much competition for their specific niche (EN males only, with little to no collabs with women), especially with NijiEN weakening a lot in recent years.
>>91232198redebutted but spends more time as a vtweeter, shame really
>>91226934bad meme
monkey girl has reincarnated, shes now a succubus
>>91230344you keep including one that is still alive catalogbro
>>91227424is that... bunny Iofi on the left?
>>91230917What happened?
>>91239510iirc, the usual: boss ran away, whatever was left of the staff (that never really helped the talents) killed the corpo, the talents exited on bad terms, special mention to the monkey girl that apparently spergged later she hated being a brown monkey, never really fact checked that. Haven-X was pretty much unknown, so there was barely any info besides the official cease of activities note in their tweeter.
>>91226934Please add
>>91240040https://x.com/VFleetProject
>>91237749I still can't believe such a good model went to a terrible person
>>91226934Isn't Lucid Multimedia dead?
>>91230344Nexas might've been formed as a company in 2023 but they launched in 2024
Isn't monkey girl now part of a newer group called NamesTooVirtual or something??Also pretty sure green girl came back with a different name then changed it back to her old one after the selen drama, her model is actually adorable
>>91240523Lucid is still going with like 4 maybe 5 peopleI think one of them left and became indie again but not sure
>>91241017>NamesTooVirtualthat entire twitter profile feels like a shitpost from before the last decade if you check it without an accountAlso one girl there coping about success ≠a good looking model just three days ago
>>91241603OP here, just checked they got bought out and are debuting 10 more vtubers wtf
>>91236958cool shoes
>>91226934Phase should be there
>>91242062This logo looks like it was designed by a 12-year old on deviantArt
>>91242062>NamesTooVirtualclosing next year
Someone add Beatus Creation
>>91227899>>brave group IPs mergeI could see that happening. Especiallu for v4mirai and Idol as they are both under Brave US. The question is Glovie. They are under Brave Europe, and still have homos.I doubt VSPO En will merge with anything. It would be in Brave's best interest to keep that branch distinct.
>>91244742For those who don't know, Beatus Creation was a tiny 2 view Japanese corpo made by a game dev who was trying to be the Next Zun by creating a whole side scrolling game series of cute girls.Unlike Zun he tried to grow too big too fast and flew into the sun melting down his game quality and his reputation by letting his games suffer because he held more interest in chasing bubbles like vtubing and NFTs.
>>91230439Shit, is Nijisanji and VSPO going to burn Hololive's boats? Also, who is VSPO's Zhuge Liang abd Hololive's Sima Yi?
>>91226934what isn't Idol dead?
>>91245385got bought by brave group
>>91232278To be fair to the JIDF, they managed to secure a buyer. All the other small corpo died out, Aviel did the smart thing and sold to Brave, the third largest. It is a shame what happened to E-Sekai, but I'm rooting for Nikki Rei and Endless.Also, v4mirai is doing pretty good. So yeah, I'm betting on v4mirai x Idol.
>globie
>>91237113I don't think Holo En can afford to lose another talent next year. Sure, they will remain stable/tge biggest in the market, but the identity of their girks are too big. The loss of Fauna alone will be felt in years to come. If anything, Holo should work out a better affiliate deal for Fauna in tge next 22 days and debut a new gen. Holo EN does need to expand as its nowhere the size or strength as Holo JP.
>>91240112someone likes kancolle
>>91227424Holy shit every single one of those designs is just a chinese knockoff of a Holomem
>>91248736wtf are you talking about, none of them look anything like Holos, except for the one on the left having Iofi's face because it's the same artist
>>91246217>The loss of Fauna alone will be felt in years to come.No one is going to remember Fauna existed two months after her graduation.
wait did something happen to vspo english?
>>91229837Daiya seems cute but I can't stand the word monmons. Filters me from watching her.
>>91250569One of their girls got raped by that Niji male who's in trouble, other than that I don't know.
>>91226934I think the corpos bought out or originally under Brave should be put in a separate category.
Why is Phase successful where many others have failed?
>>91252197sabotage
>>91230486>NOA TalentDo your reps anonThey'll be lucky to make it past 6 months.
>>91226934how the FUCK is bond en still around
>>91252197nepotism
>>91250569kuga leo made a collab game including remia, narin and a few yabs niji and dramafags moaning about it.i guess remia don't care about yabs in niji because she play with millie months ago.
>>91252197Fishman got lucky with Pippa's success, struck gold with Muumi and is at least decently competent at running a business
>>91252197Having a CEO with a background in running successful online entertainment startups puts you in a very nice spot. phase would probably be black and white in that image though if it werent for pippa
>>91238833Still amazes me that no one else has tried doing an all-male corpo to capture that market. Seems like an easy decision since everyone else has all females or is mixed. It's not even difficult to market to women. >inb4 Luxiem fujochinkbaiting kpop buzzword buzzword buzzword
>>91254810Too many people want a Gura, thats why. Also Vox Akuma is not exactly a desirable goal
>>91254934>VoxThat's another buzzwordThere's already dozens of Guras so why not make something different? I don't get why everyone wants to be the same all the time. I guess it's required for rich people/CEOs to make retarded decisions.
>>91254934>Vox Akuma is not exactly a desirable goal>Nearly every male vtuber after Luxiem did forced BFE and shipbaiting with other guys because they thought it would make them popular (and it kind of did)
>>91227899if you actually followed the V&U girls' private accounts, you'd know to put V&U on the list as a big likelihood. something is afoot behind the scenes.
>>91226934>bondlive still aroundWhoa.
>>91248736If theyre going to do that can they at least produce a knockoff Sana
>>91253334What's the big deal with a game?
>>91226934stellarverse next
>>91259451Remia and Narin collab with (((ELIRA))) and later on Remia collabs with Millie
The companies are dead but which chuubas from small corpos would you say "made it"?Miori? Nene Amano?
theres this micro that popped up recently. dunno what will come of it.
>>91227899>>PixelLink scandal and graduationsI hope not. Right now they got a good thing going.
>>91230344KAwa is ded tho
>>91252197>Why is Phase successful where many others have failed?Biggest thing is that our managers are all female and paid to just straight-up fly out to talents that are having a melty over random bullshit and encourage them to stream or sort out passport issues etc.IIRC Matsuri had an in-person wrangler too for a while, no?Also, projects get funded pretty easily. You just send an invoice for art/music/mixing to HQ and they pay it.Some shit like >>91254485 this is pure luck, but the #1 thing in a market where people CAN strike out on their own is spending money to make your company feel like a net asset to your members.Holo gets that.Phase kind of gets that.Everyone else just kind of thinks you can hire a bunch of streamers and watch the cash roll in.>>91262578Mio, Nene, Nova, def. Really anyone who walked away with a solid 300+ CCV kind of "made it".
>>91230344You should add Astraline
>>91230098>socksI'm still not convinced it's not just a Twitter shitpost.
I remember coming across a South Africa based Vtuber agency with the highest following mem having 2158 followers on Twitter and the members were doing callout posts about the big boss erping with all the members (minors) and all their rigs had womb tats he customized underneath the clothes
>>91264226that’s wild
>>91264284Im a vtuber boomer from and that was the moment i was like "oh no, my hobby changed"In 2020 I was already blown away by the amount of petty drama but now I was seeing entire brands collapse before even getting off the ground
>>91226934Most of them died in 2024, btw
>>91263584another one...
>>91252197Pippa hard carry
Which dead corpo collab would you like to see, even if it would make zero sense?
>>91263954>straight-up fly out to talents that are having a melty over random bullshit and encourage them to stream or sort out passport issues etcThat must be a lot of fligths
>>91270120Aren't all 3 of those still active in some way or another?
>>91271021Yes but the first two will never interact with each other publicly again
>>91271021All of them are 4views.
>>91271434>be MyHolo>get one of the most elite talent lineups in the industry>black corpo too hard>lose all of them>fold
>>91270135>That must be a lot of fligthsOh it is. One of our Japanese talents was MIA for most of 2021-2022 so management travelled to her Jap backwater village to have lunch with her. and then she came back.Make no mistake.Our CEO is fucking retarded.But he spends money to make others be smart for him, and that's what makes the difference.>>91271522MyHolo and Cyberlive are masters at having done the least with the most.
>>91271373why? bad blood? or corpos being retarded?
>>91271778NTA but it can't be the latter cause Mio and Manaka were indies at the same time
>>91271778I don't think there's too much bad blood, but all of them have their own career and they do fundamentally different content, so even if they were to collab under some weird planets and stars alignment I doubt it'll be a good result or have much chemistry.But I might be wrong and I'd really like to see it.
https://x.com/myholotv/status/1855548283973685419MYHoloTV technically dead since last month
>>91227424If I do some competitive reaching, these are:>notIofi>notPekora>notOkayu>notRaden>notBotan1>notMio>notFauna>notBotan2
>>91226934>>91229443>>91230344you should ask /corpo/ next time instead of going through the rigamarole >>87772491this was before vreverie and nexas announced they were shutting down too iirc
>>91226934>Phase still just trucking along when all it's competitors that people thought would outlive it have diedreminder that funding your corpo with your OWN money is the best idea
>>91271522the CEO of MyHolo is a retarded, narcissistic SEA man who, when those 3 asked for extra pay because other support had been cut, responded with 'Suck my dick, you're nothing without me.'he deserves it
>>91227899>>PixelLink scandal and graduationsV&U is way more likely to have this happen
>>91273572Pixellink already dodged their scandal and handled it.
>>91256730yeah, but I think they gave up on youtube and let most of their talents go indie. Those eventually got picked up by lucid, I think?Bond is now exclusively streaming in a vtuber phone app
>>91272120He has a better graphic than /corpo/
>>91270120TsunQuest would be fun.
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>>91226934Bigger
>>91272125I was thinking "oh wow, this shitshow agency is going to implode in 6 months tops". Back in 2022. Phase refuses to die.
>>91272125>having infinite money from a crypto rugpull, i mean "fintech", is the best strategyok
>>91272125Most of the corpos in the op were funded by their own money, it's just that most of them don't have the kind of deep pockets that fishman has to keep hanging in there while eating costs
>>91271755phaseintern plsstop spamming the catalog
>>91273745she's planning to grudgepost about the "abuse" she got from her "bullies" once her NDA is up and how it's SOOOO BAD the she gets panic attacks from seeing people wearing their oshi mark and has to block them on Twitter
>>91279613Lmao
>>91272054notRaden is made by Radens mama
>>91274554Does Yuuna still stream?
>>91229731A lot of it was just tying off loose ends, most of those closures are companies that were shambling zombies for a long time that finally got double-tapped.
>>91273572It's insane V&U just got away with that "Pay us 400k to graduate" thing.
>>91229888God I miss Kionyes she still exists as an indie but she doesn't streamStream Suzume btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK7EYmh37K4
>>91230439>you should add myholo to 2024 closed. They are irrelevant. Are they even English? there's like one or two members active/inactive.By that standard a lot of this year's closures would be in the 2023 column.
>>91237113The Nijicope is palpable.
>>91252429Yes they've done a ton of shit but it got them this far. Why would that change now?
>>91254810Anon, the problem with trying to capture that market is you might succeed in getting that audience. You know, the ones that harass nijis for eating at the wrong fast food places
>>91283571Rarely but yes
>>91254810There are actually male-only corpos, but I don't remember if they are english-oriented nor do I remember their name.I only remember some square-jawed dudes, like you'd see in porn targeted at women.
>>91263954>ourhehAt least the shitter companies are trying to get models and do branding. But yeah it's pretty bad out there.>300+ CCVAmi's getting there last I checked, and I absolutely believe Shee and Isla can get there. I'm also cheering for like half of Prima
>>91264226I remember hearing False talk about it and then completely forgetting about it right until the AkioAir collapse when it turned out one of the new girls had also been wrapped up in that. Seriously there are a few talented chuubas out there who just seem to be utterly cursed.
>>91229443>EIENS
>>91226934i think the sock and duel logs companies are missing
>>91285047I think the problem with your post is that you're in the catalog too much if you think every fan is like that. I'm pretty sure not every female vtuber fanbase is filled with GFEschizos.>>91285476Invicta? Yeah I heard of them. I think they're more of a friend group than a solid corpo. Also their designs....feel more gay-male oriented. I like a few muscled men here and there myself but the way they're designed seems targeted more toward men. Also, I think a good number of them are trannies. Those voices are way too high pitched to be natural males. No hate to them I guess, I just can't see many women being into that.
>>91271522You missed a lot of steps. Not that there was a huge amount of talent in the future generations, but it's absolutely mind boggling that they were able to keep going for so long after that epic fail.BTW, H0RI has her own company now that seems to be doing okay and Liliana and Urufi appear to be rebranding or something, Lili has her return stream in about 18 hours. I guess they don't hate each other.>>91272161I heard that the three of them all had names starting with M simply because he autistically insisted on it with no apparent underlying reasoning.
>>91271817"the first two" are Marica and Manaka, anon. Those two could absolutely be kept apart, in their current forms, by corpo retardation.>>91271902I'd rather see TsunQuest honestly. They were close to making it work on a couple different occasions, and I think all of them are in a better place mentally nowadays yes, even Mio.
>>91272054One of the notBotans looks more like notNoel to me
>>91286686There's also First Stage.Maybe it's just because I'm not into dudes but I really don't get what's up with male chuuba models. Seems like all the successful ones are overdesigned to fuck, I mean they make IRyS 1.0 look a random 2hu scribble.
>>91270120you posted it
>>91287606>There's also First Stage.Yes, that's the first post in this chain we were talking about lol. FSP is First Stage ProductionI feel like it's the opposite. The simple designed ones seem to be the most popular like Vox and Kuzuha, but not because their designs are particularly simple. The most popular ones among smaller groups though do have more intricate designs so I see what you mean there. I think it's because most female fans are really into lore while male fans aren't, so the designs try to give room for the person to put whatever details about their backstory as they want. And I think female designs are simpler because they just want to watch the anime girl play games and be cute and don't care for chuuni stuff.
>>91248736apparently hiring the same artist means they're chinese knockoffs
>>91292713Didn't you get the memo? When Person X does Y for Big Corpo Z, anything else Person X does that is not Y for Big Corpo Z is not actually made by Person X.
>>91252197playing it safe by hiring a lot of talents from dead corpos.
>>91252197Dumb men actually falling for the whole pickme grift then being surprised when they grift and cuck their audience.
