>ZERO interactions with her own gen since announcing her graduation
>>91292942She's the only one that streams.
>>91292973>she's the only one that streamsAll of Promise streams, they've just been ignoring each other.
>>91293565yooo Kronii played Cryptmaster? right on
>>91292942Their probably waiting until her graduation draws nearer for the final Promise collab with her.
>>91292942Fauna was always the only good Council member
>>91293565Wasn't Promise/Council known for being the gen with the best chemistry together? They were always complete opposites of Myth who always had negative chemistry together but Promise always seemed like good friends.Did something change? Before the graduation annoucement
>>91294133They were but then advent stole the title
>>91292942Bae and IRyS like her, but they don't like her enough to go out of their way to stream with her yet. We might get one last IRyS collab before she graduates. Bae and Fauna were never that close. Mumei is still MIA but she is kinda exempt from all this as Fauna's personal friend.Kronii is ready to dance on Fauna's corpse.
>>91292942She raided Bae.
>>91294133No support for traitors.
>>91294133I blame the logo for destroying unit cohesion
>>91293565This is just advanced advertising for the musical.
>>91294133They never streamed that much together in the first place. Kronii and IRyS have ben sick a lot and they have all been busy with recording stuff lately. And Mumei is just gone.
>>91294133They looked close when the point of comparison was a completely dysfunctional Myth. Now that we have two tightly knit gens who work well with others, they’re exposed for the breaking down lesbian sex orgy that they always were.
>>91294572Apparently Mumei is besties with all the girls, going by anecdotal evidence of simple amicable interactions.
>>91292942It's almost as if Cover's controlling what its talents say, but surely they wouldn't insult their fans by presenting the same speech ten times over and thinking no one will notice... surely.
>>91292942I hate that cunt kroniiThere i said it
>>91294133Shitposting aside, yes. They have amazing chemistry and their group collabs have always been fun. I'd even say those were best gen collabs, but that's subjectiveUnfortunately, though, they rarely collab. They probably only barely beat Myth when it comes to gen collab frequency and I'm not even certain about that.
>>91296323They were always unremarkable dull shit.
>>91296323Doesn't help that the only one consistently active for the past year has been Fauna who's also fallen off. Kronii randomly takes weeks off breaks, Mumei has been in school hell, Bae has decided fuck streaming and going in on dancing and performance, IRyS seems to be caring less about the streaming side too. So getting them to actually get together would be fucking impossible.
>>91296263>The talents who have been vocally berating management are now shills for management because my rrat demands it. It's almost like you're a fucking idiot
>>91292942>day 13 of endless brownoid bait threads following the graduation announcement
>>91296412>Kronii>lazy breaks>Bae and IRyS>busy and streaming lessBut sure, I agree otherwise
>>91296623Bae spends like half her days in dance practice most of the time. She's streaming more this month but that shit's going to go back to being sparse when she has another project coming in that requires her to do even more. And IRyS streams maybe fucking twice a week lately.
>>91296412>Kronii randomly takes weeks off breaks, Mumei has been in school hell, Bae has decided fuck streaming and going in on dancing and performanceMumei did the exact same thing as Kronii, on top of “school hell”. At least Bae puts out projects and covers. Mumei is just useless, you can’t convince me she really is studying 16 hours a day 2 months before her finals.
>>91294133This will sound like a rrat but it's 100% trueKronii and Fauna have some sort of beef now. Kronii has not acknowledged Fauna to any meaningful extent for over 6 months now. Fauna graduating only made it even more noticeable.
>>91296121I don't watch Kronii but I heard multiple people on /vt/ say that nowadays Kronii is as cold to Mumei as she is to Fauna. Bullshit?
>>91296822Impossible to know, Mumei never streams.
>>91296822We have exactly zero proof of that. Mumei doesn't even show up for streams so it's an obvious bait.
cunt
>>91296822It might be related: Fauna probably told them that she was planning on leaving last year, and Mumei probably mentioned she might as well, since Mumei will need to start doing field-related work if she's serious about it, leaving no time for idol stuff.Bae might be able to make up the Gen loss by sucking up to the Japanese girls, but Kronii will basically be on her own, competing with full gens like Advent and Justice.
>>91296822Kronii acknowledges Mumei's existence in Promise collabs but doesn't go beyond that. Kronii only likes IRyS because she's hot, dumb and uncomplicated.
>>91299703Kronii dislikes most of Advent too. Kaela keeps trying to push her and Biboo together and it is not working out, although it's entertaining
>>91300007kek
>>91294133Fauna simply does not have one-on-one collabs. Looking at her channel, she has one Gigi collab from a month ago, then the next one-on-one collab was all the way back to November 28th 2023 with Reine. She has group collabs with Promise or other special events, but she specifically was always a more solo type of streamer. I do believe the other girls in Promise collab more between each other, though.
>>91304235where do you people come from?
>>91294133When will people finally admit that Promise killed Council?
>>91292942Stop noticing
>>91310429Maybe not everyone in Promise was happy with the name change. For one, it effectively wipes Sana out of their history. I'm not really sure why people didn't take more umbrage with it. Imagine the other gens rebranding after losing a member, it'd be kinda weird for sure.
my gay chungus life
>>91294133>Wasn't Promise/Council known for being the gen with the best chemistry together?Council had a lot of good collabs in their early months along with the weekly Council meetings. Whatever fight started up between Sana and management must have escalated in 2022. We are never going to get a clear answer on what caused her graduation but looking back those frequent "health" breaks were fishy along with the fact that over a dozen of her VODs were mysteriously deleted. Now Fauna is leaving because of a disagreement with management which means the contract disputes haven't gotten any better even after 2 years. Cover is a Japanese company so there is a huge cultural difference with the EN talents. They say they are okay with the direction of Hololive but that seems like damage control when they are having so many graduations.>They were always complete opposites of Myth who always had negative chemistry together but Promise always seemed like good friends.Myth have good unity but are obviously stressed out because of their fights with management. The model redesign fights in HoloEN are likely the worst fights in the history of Hololive. That is baffling since management was reasonable with IRyS but they are fighting like an angry bear to stop Ina and Kronii from getting a new design to replace their sleazy outfits.
>>91293565Women amiright?
All women are cold and cruel
>>91312009>fight with management>contract disputes>sleazy outfitsOh, it's you. Outfit schizo, this isn't funny anymore please take your meds.
>>91299703Let’s be honest here, Kronii and Fauna had sesbian lex and something happened that caused them to break up.
>>91296121Mumei manages this because her autism makes it impossible for her to make anything but purely genuine.
>>91312009Irys needed a redesign desperately. Ina and Kronii are two of the most beloved and iconic designs in hololive, let alone EN. De-coomissioning their iconic designs could be the death knell in their careers.
>>91300007They just had a collab with each other today?
>>91292942they're just building tension leading up to their concert in a few days
>>91311470CouncilRyS was a horrible name and completely unfair to IRyS.
>>91292942The only way Kronii could justify being this much of a petty bitch is if Fauna raped her
>>91313418Nice dick bro
>>91311470>Imagine the other gens rebranding after losing a memberNePoLaBo?
>>91293565Why is Bae black?
>>91314013
>>91312425The problem is the actors got the wrong designs. Both Ina and Kronii are wasted on prudes who are afraid of their own sexuality. Imagine if IRyS had gotten the Kronii design.
>>91311470Sana was lazy as a streamer. Her designs were cute but in reality few streams, fake health excuses and she didn't even make it a year. Nobody took umbrage with the rebrand cause Sana bailed asap.
>>91314913oh boy another 12 hour sana shiny hunting reset stream. none of her streams were good. shame about a wasted pako design though
>>91312197>Outfit schizo, this isn't funny anymore please take your meds.If you really believe IRyS is the only EN talent that has ever asked Cover for a 2.0 design than what do you think is going on with HoloEN? Gura and Mumei are either in a huge fight with management or they are slowly burning away their fan base for no reason. Ame left to be an indie vtuber while vaguely hinting that she might return while Cover "forgot" to renew the work visa for Ina which is something that has never happened before in Hololive.>>91312425>Ina and Kronii are two of the most beloved and iconic designs in hololive, let alone EN. De-coomissioning their iconic designs could be the death knell in their careers.Cute designs sell plenty of merch so the argument that sleazy coombait is needed for vtubers is completely wrong. I won't deny that Hololive does a lot of coomer pandering but Trillion Stage with their hentai designs would have stolen most of the Hololive fan base if they only wanted lewd content.
>>91312009why is this guy in every catalog thread
>>91315039okay man i'm sorry just never reply to me with that image again
>>91296778Its a rrat, but theres enough evidence that Kronii and Fauna are actively avoiding each other. My gut feeling is that they had a really bad falling out>>91312009I think the difference in corporate culture is a reasonable problem. In addition, and since you mentioned Irys, it's clear that Hololive has a favouritism issue. It may not be as bad as Nijisanji's, but its there. Irys gets it because she's a soft JP and is based in Japan. Same for Fuwamoco. I would not be surprised if Biboo's decision to move to Japan was to get better treatment. Gura has had trouble getting a lot of projects off the ground since she remains in the West, but she's so huge that Cover has to bend their knee to her.That said, its feally frustrating that we do not know "what" is Fauna's exact disagreement with Fauna. Was it over an unwillingness to travel for FES? Or is it something incredibly petty related to Kronii? At this point, we can only hope for the best.
>>91313396Just have Irys official join Council, and leave its name as Council. To this day I still don't understand why they absolutely needed this rebranding. They had to marshal resources to make that MV, the song, the comic, the womb tattoo, lore rewrite, etc, to what end? Promise-branded merchandise? Did they replace Omega with another Omega-lite or something?
>>91315039That looks painful. I like my girls comfy
>>91300007retard, Kronii had to be kicked out of the door at Biboos Birthday streams
>>91315412Fauna not getting the bald toggle is her disagreement with management
>>91296696Anon, has it ever crossed your mind that she might have other responsibilities besides just streaming and studying. And besides, even if she doesn't, who cares? Burnout is a thing. I'd rather her go on breaks for months and come back than graduate. Mumei even said that she's taking this hiatus specifically because she doesn't want to graduate.
>>91317437>she might have other responsibilities besides just streaming and studying.Yeah, like coke and cock.
>>91296121Mumei is one of the most universally beloved members. Everyone from every gen loves her. She's gonna be a dai-senpai like Calli in a few more years at this rate. She's become one of the most outgoing senpai in the entire company, which is amazing character development for her.
>>91316720Is Kronii... just afraid to compete (she may view it as competition) with established EN members she's not friends with?
>>91293565>All of Promise streamsIs Mumei really that forgettable to you guys?
>>91317651>he doesn't know about her fansly streams.
>>91317615 (me)FWMC have already surpassed her in metrics and we may not see collab with them in the future
>>91317691You serious?
cum cunt and fuck
>>91317437>other responsibilities>burnout>hiatusShows that you dont even watch her since she never said any of that.
>>91293565You have... every Promise stream... on your calendar?... Anon, how do you even keep up with all of that?
>>91294133Yeah, they fucking hate each other now (something happened in the last year), but still more chemistry than Myth.
>>91318200that's the HoloEN teamuphttps://teamup.com/ksua2ar4zft49pdn7c
>>91296501>it's like an advent calendar but instead of a neat little trinket every day, it's a low effort thread that smells like the streets of calcutta
>>91314013She is the one who talks really loudly during group watchalongs
>>91296778I wouldn't be surprised. Kronii is the type that nobody can truly get along with. I doubt she has a single real friend cause of her attitude.
>>91318555Only those who she feels superior to, in control of. INTJ with fragile ego, haha classic. Fauna did hurt her very bad, it seems
>>91315039did the one on the right not get a latin name
>>91296883True
>>91292942DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT MY MOMMY!
>>91315039>3 eyes>3
>>68856798donda
>>91320415Fauna had a mind break. It happens to girls.
Can anyone QRD the rrat that Kronii caused Fauna's graduation?
>>91292942(Who is more) popular?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGKBi-4qa0EFauna x ERB karaoke please?
>>91315039why does the left one's tail have anal beads
>>91296263Normal people will vent about issues with family, work,etc. but still like them.This is how almost every person in society talks. Even autistic adults understand this man.
>>91321492Sure about this last part?
>>91321397We don't know and like Bae said it's unlikely we'll ever know.
>>91323453 But there's some suggestion that it's something between them? If so what is it?Even if it's a crumb of basically nothing it has me curious
Kronii and Fauna met irl. Kronii said that her character should be as flat as irl. Fauna took that personally.
>>91317594It’s almost like it’s bullshit and they’re humoring her.
>>91317437There’s no other responsibilities besides work and getting skills to perform work if you’re a lonely volcel. Even if there were, it should be unacceptable to ditch a primary source of income for months after you’ve neglected it for years, you fucking enablers do everything ass-backwards.
>>91318997The american localizers tried their best to westernize and censor the first two, but gave up on the third title entirely. There are many such cases.
>>91311470>wipes Sana awaygood. Useless nepohire took a slot that could've gone to someone that actually wants to be an idol like me
>>91323719bros... why are women so evil...
>>91292942>>91293565So business as usual?
>>91324388I mean, Mumei defends child predators so anyone who likes her can’t be called good.
>>91323823Do you know what the contracts are?
>>91324550The same or similar to all the other girls who stream and put out a lot more merch and content.
>>91324628So you don't know, or do you really think they all have the same contract regardless of how much more valuable some of vtubers are?
>>91324805nta but why are you arguing with a schizo? of course he doesn't know. no one knows. stop giving him attention
>>91317615>>91317702>>91318914>Kronii gets mad at Fauna once Fauna starts inclining and surpassing her in almost all metricskek
>>91314772meh I like the contrast with Kronii, she's that hot dyke friend.I also think it's pretty hard to be a good coombaiter, Chloe was the best one so far.Okayu and Azki are the only other members i think of that has "I'm sexy and I know it" feel to her, but they're not as upfront about it as Chloe was.
>>91318555um, yeah you know that sally is still her irl friend and they meet up weekly right?
I guarantee you that the musical will serve as the final Promise “collab”. Kronii has not said Fauna’s name on her own channel in well over a year and either does everything to avoid direct interaction with her or goes completely silent when she’s mentioned or speaks in collabs. She will not put whatever petty bullshit she’s harboring aside for the fans sake.
>>91325090Uh that dork that had half her very recent concerts dedicated to being a succubus nun?
>>91296822>Kronii is as cold to Mumei as she is to FaunaNope. They still have conversation with each other during collabs and interact. So it's not as cold as she treats fauna
>>91292973Mumei is the only one that doesn't. You're thinking of Myth
>>91318203Myth have zero chemistry because of the autism trio. They somehow managed to find three of the most socially inept people on the planet and put them all in the same group. It leaves Mori and Kiara to do all the talking, Ina to awkwardly attempt to chime in and Ame and Gura would literally sit in utter silence.
>Mumei has been retweeting fan art of herself and Fauna >Irys and Fauna spoke in Fauna’s twitter thread about her graduation, talked about it sadly on stream>Bae speaking on Fauna’s graduation: “I’m not crying..I did that yesterday.”>Kronii..doesn’t retweet the Fauna graduation announcement, talks about the recent graduations but never mentions Fauna by name once
>>91324515huh?
>>91325626Wasn't Kronii bawling when ame left but didn't show much emotions till the end of the stream. She just doesn't want to deal with the situation and emotions. It isn't like they are family they are coworkers and one is going to work somewhere else.
>>91325318Yet she's sleeping with Irys instead.
>>91326302If you can work closely with someone for 3 years while experiencing all the ups and downs they had in Council and all the shit with Omega and not feel anything then Kronii is unironically a huge psycho
>>91326690Why do you think this is on Kronii? Fauna is clearly the one with the problem. She probably told Kronii she'd prefer it if she didn't interact or try to force anything in these last few months.
>>91326690Bro, playing video games and seeing each other in person once a year isn't super close.
>>91326793>>91326793Fauna probably said, "I need some space to think," and Kronii's latent korean rage-brain went, "I'll show you 'some space' you dumb bitch."
>>91318555Not to defend Kronii because I never liked her, but Fauna must have said/done something pretty damn rude.
>>91327144For some reason Hololive fans seem to forget most EN members are thousands of miles apart.
>>91327144>seeing each other in personThis is totally irrelevant so I'm just going to dumpster your entire opinion in the trash.
Who even are vtuber managers? Are they like 4chan moderators?
>In an alternate universe where Kronii wasn’t a cunt, Mumei actually streamed, Fauns wasn’t graduating, Sana was cast as someone who wanted to be a vtuber and Bae didn’t drop EN events at the blink of an eyeI yearn for this reality.
I think Ame and Fauna are leaving because of a shared manager stifling them and making them feel constrained because of their brand image bullshit and the timeline matches. Fauna's last stream where she attached something to her Live2D model was her Deltarune stream November of last year, after that she only attached things to her 3D model which has access to a free library of 3D assets for use. Ame's last stream where she attached a PNG to her Live2D stream was her Refind stream, but before that was her Mario Wonder streams which she dropped and went AWOL for several weeks. I think Ame was told after the Wonder streams that she couldn't alter her Live2D model with assets to resemble the game and this upset her and she went AWOL in protest, after which she did the Refind stream with Christmas assets for which she got told to stop doing it entirely. This also matches up with Ame not being able to use her alternate 3D models and Fauna not being allowed to use her low poly3D or Anuaf palette over "brand image" either.Now imagine if you were in their place and was being constrained over this bullshit while watching Advent and Kiara get away with the same shit regularly. Wouldn't you be pissed off?
>>91328227>Ame: that's one thing that changed uhh after some games, I think people still do it anyways, is having items that are from a game like on us a little bit, we told , kind of advised not to, so uhhh i think it might be difficult to do stuff like that in the future but maybe not
>>91328227Yeah I hate that change. Japs think we are weird for liking altering images and models to look funny.
>>91328340Korone is also stifled on that
>>91326793>>91327249>forgetting that Fauna has karen momentsI know you're racist, but come on. Fauna is vegan, and we know what they're like
>>91328227>while watching Advent and Kiara get away with the same shit regularlyReal talk though. Why do they get this favouritism?
>>91328831Because Kiara knows how to play the game, and knows it's better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Nerissa had her siblings on for god knows how many streams, and no one in management knew.
>>91328898I love Nerissa for doing that.
>>91293565They might have the worst unit chemistry in EN right now, even worse than myth
>>91304235https://youtube.com/watch?v=urMWdWlzDCw
>>91314772Cover won't give white skins to brown employees
>>91328779People who aren't very preachy, if Fauna is anything to go by.Incredible self-own, little retardbro.
>>91292942Having a korean in your gen does that
>>91329998Nah retardo, I'm pretty sure Fauna is a Karen behind the scenes.
>>91329998LMAO are you vegan too perhaps?
>>91330116Kronii used to be extremely giggly and flirty with her.https://youtu.be/QKmF3a_d7jA?t=92
>>91318203>Yeah, they fuckingtrue
>>91296263Holy schizo, even got his crayons out to highlight the conspiracy on the wall
Why are you guys making shit up when it's obvious that Fauna is the issue anyway?
>>91327478>you and kronii spooning after an intense night of lesbian sex during the trip kronii took to your home.>before falling asleep you say you hope that you’ll become kronii’s most important person going forward>kronii takes it as you hope to replace sally fully in her life.>The next year happens
>>91333629If Fauna was the issue, Ina would be streaming instead of being fucked over by incompetent management.
>>91292942I just assume she's collab banned as she went "off script" and told us management are the problem
>>91314715she looking kinda cute, cover please give me a suntanned tomboy next gen
>>91335332https://youtu.be/E6-rsfpT3rsRetard
>>91329814kronii had to fly to her for that collab to happen, that's how much of an outlier she is with collabs
>>91334535More like she's peacing out knowing she knows she's got an audience now without trying going back to her original stuff.Hey business is business. I don't disagree. I mean all she has to do now is just whisper on the mic every stream and people will flock to her because she's a former Holo.
>>91318914>>91327478my rrat is this: remember in debuts kronii was touted as the "funni memester" member? maybe after spending time with fauna she learned that fauna is in fact way funnier and wittier and doesn't ven try to be, and her self confidence was shattered.
>>91296121She is but she is closest to Bae
>>91299703Mumei would never leave with Fauna as long as Bae is still here
>>91314772Kronii isnt that much of a prude anymore, youre stuck in 2022Also part of their appeal is the gap between their designs and more demure attitude
>>91317702kronii loves fuwamoco tho? you niggas don't watch streams?
>>91333728Did you dream your scenario after you dilated, tranny? Ywnbaw
>>91335332Shes a collab with Gigi in 2 days retard
>>91333629>Why are you guys making shit up when it's obvious that Fauna is the issue anyway?HoloEN had so many fights with management in 2022 that Cover actually replaced the EN project management. Japanese companies rarely do anything to replace bad management so it must have been really bad. The EN branch continues to have an unusual number of health and hiatus breaks so there is no way that Fauna is the only talent that has disagreements with management
>>91336142uh oh melty someone is sensitive today, poor lil cuck KEK
>>91336258She probably got the equivalent of the oidashibeya (expulsion/boredom room). You don't outright terminate her (since she didn't violate any rules) but you remove her resources, deny her requests, and slow-roll her projects to get her to quit on her own.
>>91328340Only SEAfags find that shit funny.
>>91337189Considering her manager being completely useless I wouldn't be surprised, but then the question is, why? She is low upkeep Holo with big fanbase and good income. Hell, even on idol side, which is something people always rag on her, she was still a big pull for concerts, you couldn't take a damn group photo without MILF hat somewhere. Can't really be Fauna asking for more money either, considering she never acted like she cared for much, even right now she keeps SCs disabled. What the hell happened then?
>>91296496>>91321492>>91333456holopedo MELTY
>>91337080uh oh meltysomeone is sensitive today, poor lil cuck KEK
>>91338193Not enough information. I agree it's probably not directly money-related, as she was and still is the strongest merch pull in her gen by far. It seems unlikely the Kronii thing isn't unrelated though; normally you'd never let such an issue play out publicly enough to be noticed by viewers, and yet...
>>91338193A part of me is hoping that Fauna is leaving over a really petty reason and she had a melty. And that, in the next week, she'll come to her sense and announce an affiliation. She already announced her departure, but an affiliation would leave the door open if she chooses to return.It's a wishful thinking, but I do want to see Fauna return. And I'm not even a sapling. As an Otomo, I wish Cecilia had collab'd more with her green brother.
>>91292942yeah she is atheist
>>91339470I dont think Cover would accept her back if that was the case. If you had a meltdown and caused a scene and quit, they are gonna let you go. Difficult to work with in your scenario
>>91341227Marine literally screams at and beats her managersseems like everyone should
>>91314772>Commission one of the sexiest desgins>Give it to the Squidward of HololiveWhat did Yagoo mean by this? Imagine Kronii's model in the hands of any JP.
>>91339470No need for affiliate status to come back.You just sign a new contract.Of course, Blue Dorito has to want you back.
>>91327628in that reality Sana was most likely dokibird :P so you'd be suffering from fps brainrot in all her streams :D
>>91294133>They were always complete opposites of Myth who always had negative chemistry togetherI hate to state the obvious but Myth's chemistry was fine when Kiara wasn't around. Launch Tako being a prime example of this.
>>91341892And then her killing herself because she was too retarded to accept a no and wait 2 days.
>>91342208Leave
>>91342239Fauna will soon leave another bad japanese company yes.
>>91292942I guess she had some disagreements with her other co-workers too.
>>91294133They were, and they still are for the most part (Kronii/IRyS, Mumei/Bae, etc.). However, something happened with Fauna. Mumei is excused for not giving much of a response since she is busy with IRL stuff. Out of the remaining three IRyS is the only one who gave Fauna any kind of legit response on twitter and I'm going to chalk that up as IRyS just not knowing her that well and being polite. They have only had like 1 one on one collab and have probably only met each other once. IRyS is excused.The issue is Kronii and Bae. Fauna has beef with Kronii and Bae, like, real beef.
>>91342208Possibly. BPD is a hell of a mental illness. But Cover seems to have some kind of BPD/Femme-brain nullifying tech that mitigates the effect of woman moments and their general chicanery.
>>91343195then again if doki was in hololive then most likely we shouldnt have the cute moments with mint :D
>>91292942>ZERO interactions with her own genCouncil was always like that
>>91328898she did ask permission for this, they are just retarded and didn't understand what she was asking
>>91343099Kronii? maybe, but I don't know about bae, she seemed to be very affected in the first couple of streams after the announcement, she even cried during a karaoke. Also fauna raided bae recently. People tend to believe that bae is some kind if extrovert girl but in reality she is almost as introvert as ina and bad at words like mumei. She is not very good expressing herself and she's probably waiting for the graduation day to actually tweet about her feelings.
>>91333862Could actually be what happened. Kronii is obsessed with Sally and plans to leave her all her money when she dies. She probably realized that getting into a serious relationship would require her to prioritize someone else in her life more than her best friend and couldn’t do it.Which is ironic cause that same best friend has an actual family they care for, so…
>>91292942I she even more distant than Ame was?
>>91292942>Gura 99% of the year be like
>>91292942STOP!!! you're not supposed to notice and create a thread about it, holoEN is still strong! everyone loves each other and there is no war in ba sing se!
>>91343800Going by that then all of Promise hated Fauna then, Kronii doesnt mention her, Bae is firmly management camp, Irys is closer to Kronii and Mumei is closer to Bae
>>91341575>Imagine Kronii's model in the hands of any JP.At least half the JP talents would have been embarrassed if they were Kronii. Flare was in the sleazy outfit boat and had issues with her original design. She had Cover add shorts and remove the boob window on her 3D model even before she got a 2.0 design. The sleazy aspects of the idol industry are becoming controversial even in Japan. Hololive does a lot coomer pandering but the response to Aventure Holic shows that it's mostly pushed by management
>>91343969Bae is Australian and wants the job. North Americans cannot understand how the rest of the world thinks, and how most people are so beyond this childishness.
>>91292942Penis in pussy sex with Faunner
>>91343969Everyone is close to Kronii apparently. Kronii collabs and has conversations with way more of the girls than Fauna does. If Kronii is the reason Fauna is leaving nobody seems to mind. I think whatever happened was not one-sided.
>>91314772I wouldnt want Ina acting any other way to be honest. She is that super prude dorky girl that doesnt realize how hot she actually is and you just want to ravage her because of it.
>>91294133Not really, Advent had better chemistry right away
>>91292942>>91294133
>>91343969Cant believe Mumei would betray her fellow white girl for that australian chinkWhen did mubei become so strong
>>91344273Advent got off to a rocky start but I think that was a combination of nerves, Shiori’s autism, and FWMC never dropping keyfabe. They have genuinely great chemistry now and their banter is top notch. Justice had good group vibes from the beginning. And they work off each other really well in comedic situations. I’d slot them behind Advent.
>>91294133When it was just Myth and Council, yes.
>>91344750I hate Advent collabs because I try to listen to Nerissa, Biboo and Shiori but all I can hear are the dogs non-stop shit. I swear fuwawa's giggle is prerecorded.
>>91345079holy seethbau bau motherfucker
>>91341333Not everyone can pull off a Bismarck temper tantrum
>>91338193There would be too many to read, you can't ask questions, especially with all the hubbub surrounding management.
>>91296263You forgot Shiori going out and saying this too. Basically bragged about how she does what she wants and is never forced to do idol stuff. Same song and dance as all the others. I get it for her though, she can't say anything bad she has some huge financial responsibilities coming up next year and can't quit.
>>91338193One of the few things that makes sense to me, is that they were trying to make her stream less. I have no idea why they would do that, for the record.
>>91346441She already doesn't stream all that much, she is pretty consistent but most streams are like 3-4 hours, the upside is that she is gonna be entertaining all the way through.
>>91343645Yeah it’s one of those things when you actually watch her you notice oh all those schizo posting about kronii really stem from Sally. The homo arc was around the time Sally got pregnant, the one where people say kronii is a t stems from her wishing she was a guy so she would’ve had a chance with Sally around the time she probably got engaged. It all comes from one source. Kronii definitely is still not over her love for Sally so it kind of sucks seeing possible other avenues end up poorly
>>91292942she hates hololive now
>>91339470It would be insane if part of this is because Fauna broke up with one of the girls, and it got real weird when management wouldn't just let them stay away from each other becasue they thought it'd seem suspicious.
>>91347065https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yGhjQfPkSIYou can pinpoint the exact moment when her heart shatters
>>91338193I mean, it's not a new thing to learn that their personal managers might not always be good. I know Kronii went through 2 or 3 where she was constantly ignored before she got one she was happy with and I've heard that other girls have too. And Fauna honestly doesn't seem willful enough to go out of her way and ask for another one
>>91347747My rrat is that she tried and got ignored/denied, being unable to do anything or change her situation (on top off everything else) convinced her she'd be better off on her own.
>>91342369>>91343277I guarantee what happened with Fauna is that after they first hooked up, Kronii went way too intensively obsessive on her, and temporarily transferred her decades-long Sally fixation on her all at once as a desperate sort of "maybe she can be the one to fix me" and Fauna might have reciprocated somewhat for a while, but at some point, in the Japan trip most likely where Fauna burned out and went "puddle-mode", Fauna was just too busy or tired or emotionally drained to take care of Kronii's onslaught of psychological baggage as her pseudotherapist and told her she wasn't in the right condition to deal with it at the time. Kronii took this one singular moment of slight rejection as a unilateral declaration of severance and Fauna went from 100% to 0% in her mind, with no consideration for what Fauna might have actually felt or been going through. She decided from that point that she was stupid for ever trying to find love outside of Sally and doubled down on her original obsession. Fauna was now just the girl who wanted to fuck around and use her but never actually wanted to take her seriously, even if that wasn't true, and like she said in the powerwashing stream, she completely cuts people she sees as toxic or manipulative out of her life, cold turkey, no contact. Fauna, of course, not being aware of the all-or-nothing internal batshit machinations that had just occurred, continued to reach out and talk about her on stream like nothing happened until she finally got the hint around the time she sent the "get well" message when she was sick and Kronii responded to every single post before and after hers, including some of her own fans, but ignored Fauna's
I ain't reading all thatAme on her way out basically said you're all fucking weird if you think anyone in EN is fucking each other
>>91347747I dont think she'd have complained about the company direction if it was just a personal manager issue
>>91349722Proof? She never said that
>>91349833Go watch her stream with Gura on her way out when she was talking about how she had a hard time finding fan art that wasnt them making out catalogniggerYou got time to write fan fic you have time to scan a vod or look up keywords in the board archive
>>91347065>>91348981Relationship rrats are funny but you retards take them too seriously. Nobody in hololive is actually fucking each other. What must have happened is that Fauna did something that Kronii treated as complete betrayal and there was no way back because the only thing Kronii does better than self-loathing is holding grudges.
>>91349883NTA but I watched that stream and literally nothing in that segment implied anything about anyone else in EN other than Gura and Ame. Directly quote what line you're inferring this from you fake stream-watching catalog-poster calling other people 'nigger'
>>91349722>>91350185Rider?
>>91349722It's baffling the number of people seem to genuinely believe that Hololive is made up of almost entirely lesbians. I'm sure some have a genuine attraction to other women, but for the majority, it's just idol kayfabe.
>>91350257They dont talk to real women so they dont know all the on screen flirting is literally something fun that women do with each other platonically
Oh it's the straightschizo.
>>91350257Even if they were lesbians/bi and were attracted to each other it doesn't matter. You don't fuck coworkers.
>>91350313Sorry to shatter your retarded yurinigger brain disease but only 5% of a substantial population identify as gay, and theres maybe 1 actual faggot in the entirety of holoEN
>>91350332shion... marine...flare... noel...matsuri... luna...
>>91350403>he fell for the kayfabe
>>91350390>5% of the total population is gayAnd 50% of the total population is men so half of holoEN have dicks by your logic.
>>91350465Im not the one who has terminal online brainworms that these women are sexually attracted to each other in any facet
>>91350390Okay, but Fauna and Kronii are like the only two ENs who have explicitly said they're into women sexually, with factual text evidence that is still up today, so that doesn't really work.
I'm assuming Fauna and Kronii caused some kind of shit so that now the girls are mostly just caty and bitchy towards fauna specifically, they haven't interacted with each other for a long time before her announcement anyway. Bae and IRyS being more holoJP than EN at this point probably didn't help the case and Mumei just not being around as well. If you've worked with women before, you know that nobody hates women more than other women, so this shouldn't be a surprise. What IS surprising is how many people unironically believe that the holos are all ride-or-die friends when it's just not the case at all, they will absolutely be women to each other in the worst possible ways. But I guess that's the power of pretending.
>>91350564Bisexuality is a meme and no woman edging into her 30s abides by it. Believe me my best friend would scream she was a dyke until she turned 28 and magically she fell in love with a man.
>>91350531>Im not the one who has terminal online brainwormsBIG doubt there
>>91350657Keep believing whatever you want, Fauna never wanting to go to Japan ever again is a more realistic and reasonable conclusion everyone has come to. If you want to somehow believe Kronii a girl who everyone has said is one of the most considerate and kind people off stream turned some weird fucking heel towards her friend, you're an actual schizo looking to shit on the girls with your headcanonYuriniggers are literal scum in every fandom
>>91350403>flare... noel...Have openly stated they arent and like men and only act gay to keep creepy guys away. Looks like it worked on you
>>91350778>friendThey're coworkers you weirdo. >HURR FAUNA LAZY WHORE SHE NO WANT GO JABAN BE IDOL EVEN THO SHE EXPLICITLY SAID THE IDOLSHIT WASN'T THE PROBLEMYou're just as bad as the yurischizos.
>>91350778Considerate and kind enough to ignore someone for a year straight?
>>91350945Well considering literally every single girl came together and said they disagreed with Fauna, yes it seems like she's the problem. Instead of deflecting to Kronii who every single girl has only ever said good things about how about you look at the person who is completely isolated in her own gen first sapnigger
>>91350257Coomers like business yuri while ignoring all indications that most of the EN talents either find it annoying or disgusting. Even if there are lesbians in Hololive they almost certainly hate business yuri since it's a product sold to horny men.
>>91350778I think the lesbian shit is schizo but Fauna simply not wanting to travel wouldnt explain Kronii's seething rage and refusal to say Fauna's name if possible
>>91351041What did Mumei say? What did Gura say? What did Ina say? Fucking faggot bullshitter
Uh oh sapcope melty
>>91351086Except nothing else makes any sense. Every other girl has debunked Fauna's statement, literally all of them. If it's not that then Fauna must have done something fucking abhorrent to get this response. Or are you going to accuse Kronii of turning on her friend for no reason, sapnigger?
>>91325432To report something that has been repeated endlessly: Myth was Cover's first attempt at an EN gen. Ame and Gura were two big liggers who were completely unaware of the idol journey. Calli was an outsider to both idol culture and vtubers as she was a weeb wannabe rapper. Ina was a quite artist who just, kinda got lucky. Out of the five only Kiara was the "true" idol, being from an idol unit previously.Its really weird to think how much changed since that first year. Gura may be quiet, but I do think Kiara sort of "converted" her with the idol ideal. Even if Gura has been less active as a streamer, she seems to really buy into the idol ideal. Ame, not so much. The other tough question is Ina but she seems to be quite chill with her current modus operandi>>91315428It won't work. The problem with Council was that it was concieved without Irys in mind. Its why Council + Irys was always referred to as "Councilrys" - because Irys was supposed to stay in Hope. Promise was the solution to this by having a name that didn't sound as retarded as CouncilRys.
>>91351320I'm not a sapling but keep seething yurischizo, Kronii stabs people in the back all the time, Fauna would just be one in a long list
>>91294572>bae and fauna were never that closethreadnigger seem to forget that bae and fauna used to have the most frequent 1:1 collabs playing horror games together
>>91294133before the announcement? no, they (promise sans-mumei) even played pico park 2 together couple weeks ago. Things obviously fell apart after how fauna handled her announcement.
>>91351596I love how the stock "disagreement" line (approved by management btw) literally mindbroke everyone.
>>91351320NTA but they haven't debunked shit. You expect us to forget all the times the "debunkers" bitched about management themselves, some to the point of having a mental breakdown? Corpo dick suckers are desperate to gobble up every flimsy and vague damage control statement and run with it. No wonder management never improves.
People who don't value their models deserve death
>>91292942Shadow ban!
>>91351478>CouncilRysIt just doesn't work because Irys is just league better than everyone else in the Councilothers just can't compete
>>91350257It's like All Girls' Schools
>>91351320what? nigga they haven't debunked shit. all those who spoke good of management have all have issues with management in the past. and talked about it on stream. like fuck off cunt
>>91344184It's ok. Fauna has Goombas on her side. and goomba is the only one who matters at the end of the day
>>91351745I trust Suisei and Kiarashe fought management multiple times, but also acknowledged that sometimes people just don't see eye to eyeFauna is pretty weak willed, it shouldn't be surprising she couldn't cope with Holo expectations. I think it's better that way for everyone
>>91314715imagine if sana/bae and swap models. i think sana would have made a better rat
>>91351908You're right. But Irys was also lonely. If you had seen Connect the World, you'd remember she had to perform solo twice. As a solo member of her project she was alienated. Consider that Suisei is far superior to most of Gen 0 (except for perhaps Azki), yet Suisei benefits from being in a Gen. Its why Promise is so important - it gives Irys a unit to perform with and doesn't alienate her. But I do agree that Irys far outclasses everyone else in her gen. In terms of talent, she's the equivalent of Gura within her own gen.Crazy to think how Advent and Justice are a lot more balanced
>>91314715Brown rat, my beloved...
i trust the words of people whove had very public feuds with management they aired out over long periods of time (irys, kiara, suisei, pekora) than i do a woman who essentially forced her entire company to issue personal PR statements about their own happiness causing antis to jump on doxxing trains
>>91314715La chocorrata…
One of the things I have never seen mentioned in these Fauna graduation threads (I know most of you just speculate and don't watch streams) is 'It's Not A Phase' being stuck in development hell for over one and a half years now. Mumei and Fauna both expressed frustration about it after they preformed it, mainly Mumei who also stated that it visuals for the MV are in progress. I suspect it was supposed to release when they got their emo outfits which we're approaching 1 year on. They could have chose to perform it at 'Breaking Dimensions' because they knew Fauna was graduating at the end of the year just to get it out the door. [I was going to double check Mumei's post concert chat to figure out if she went to New York and but the VOD was deleted, I know Fauna skipped NY I think there was one other who also skipped.]Add it to the bank of gripes for Fauna.
>>91350778>Kronii a girl who everyone has said is one of the most considerate and kind people off streamTo her friends. But she admits that she will fucking go nuclear if she thinks you betrayed her so I'm guessing Fauna did something and Kronii's relationship binary went from "Besties" to "You're dead to me".
>>91352655Kronii got her song out eventually, you just have to be a mean cunt about it, Fauna has no spine
>>91351485>Kronii stabs people in the back all the time Like fucking who? Unicorn schizos online who pretended she was their chaste wife? You are a fucking retard.
>>91352685>you have to be an asshole to your managers to work with them properlyTotally the talent's fault.
>>91352084That's the point retard. Everyone who has known to have previous beef with management went out and said none of the shit they have went through was cause enough to quit and they don't plan on quitting in the future. And you can trust them because they have gone on record about management fucking up so they aren't afraid to say shit.
>>91352792Nobody said it was nigger, but if you dont bitch about it then how is it ever going to get off the desk of the 10th person the project reached?
>>91352655I'm not sure how "visuals for the MV are in progress" makes it management's fault. You do realize that is outsourced right?
>>91352876You make it sound like Fauna would have just sat there in silence for a year quietly seething until she got fed up and graduated. Retard, if someone was that much of a pushover they'd have never made it 3 years in.
>>91352876You have never watched Fauna a day in your life.
>>91328340> Japs think we are weird for liking altering images and models to look funny.Foreigners like to manipulate and post images like this.
>>91352750Saplings have to come up with any narrative they can to justify Fauna throwing her coworkers under the bridge. Meanwhile we have direct proof of Fauna stabbing people in the back (shondo calling her out on debut) and she's the one who decided to set off a bomb by her inflammatory statement that she had disagreements with management forcing everyone else to have to damage control. Anyone who thinks Kronii is in the wrong for completely cutting out a toxic person like that is an unironic anti
>>91353372I'm a Kronie and I will freely admit that Kronii will hold a grudge longer than she should by any metric. But she does not start shit.
>>91352950The song was in development hell, it was supposed to release around the time the outfits did, and when Mumei spoke about the visuals it sounded like they just got started in August. It also sounded like it has been out of Fauna and her hands for a very long time and she couldn't believe it wasn't done yet, I would assume that the ball has been in [managements/ the managers] court for quite a while.
>>91353372>shondo calling her out on debutWhat did she say?
>>91353761She said Fauna backstabbed her by joining hololive and their whole friendship was just a clout play to use her as a stepping stone and she was abandoning her by joining. Fauna forced damage control afterwards and convinced shondo she totally didn't mean to betray her and join a corpo like she just accidentally applied and shondo was somehow convinced and thinks they're on good terms now but now she did it again to her promise kouhais and is just using hololive as a funnel for her indie because she wants a bigger cut of superchat moneysNo fucking wonder Kronii and Bae hate her
>>91353761She just had a melty about how Fauna got in where she didn't, and instead of the both of them trying again together, Fauna just took the deal or something. Felt like she was betrayed but supposedly they smoothed things over or something
>>91353988I'm not sure I would trust anything fucking shondo says
>>91353372I do think it would be weird for Kronii to unilaterally cut Fauna from her life and ignore her at work and no one else in EN to notice this and say something, especially if it really did contribute to Fauna graduating. Possible explanations are; it was a rrat all along, Fauna started it and has been a thorn in everyone’s side herself, it’s a mutual separation, both sides are seen as equally liable for the friction in the workplace, or everyone is secretly on Kronii’s side because she eats their pussies.
>>91353988>>91354023Legit I don't see how anyone can look at this or the Kronii situation (when Kronii freely admits she's a menhera who treats people like they're dead to her if they do even one thing that she deems over the line) and think it makes Fauna look like the unreasonable one.
>>91354242Because it's pretty clear that Fauna did something over the line. We just don't know what that was so we can't judge how justified it is to hold a grudge.
>>91348981My best friend is just like this and has lost many friends this way. Even for me, dealing with them is kinda of exhausting.
>>91354217>it was a rrat all alongStill possible, very unlikely after Kronii giving an entire speech about Fauna's graduation without saying her name or acknowledging it was her graduation and talking about how "certain people" might see things in management as issues but Kronii thinks they're either nonissues or very minor and thinks if you have serious problems with management you shouldn't air it on stream.>Fauna started it and has been a thorn in everyone’s side herselfCould be possible. Somewhat unlikely unless it was something Fauna was unaware of that pissed off Kronii because it doesn't seem like Fauna got the hint until midway through 2024 despite Kronii already ignoring her for months. Everyone else is still friendly with Fauna and has said good things about her (yes, that includes Mori, IRyS, and Bae. Shut the fuck up and watch streams)>it’s a mutual separationPossible now, but it doesn't seem to have started out that way for the same reason as above, and even after Fauna backed off of interactions, she still praised Kronii when she's brought up on her own streams.>both sides are seen as equally liable for the friction in the workplaceExtremely possible. Could explain why everyone is relatively friendly with both since everyone else views it as a childish spat between the two.
>>91353761Shondo is a megaschizo, and she saw Fauna joining Hololive as a betrayal. They have since made up and based on her recent comments after Fauna's announcement, seems to support her fully.
>>91324415Business as usual.Business as usual.
>>91354864The mind of an indie is a wonderful thing.
>>91354864Shondo sees an opportunity to leech the situation so I don't trust this post graduation link up to last very long without the usual indie twitter doc
>>91354864Honestly she's so schizo it almost makes her easier to read than a normal person>she joined a CORPOOOO? AHHH FUCK THAT BITCH I ALWAYS KNEW SHE WOULD ABANDON ME WERE WE EVER REALLY FRIENDS>oh she's leaving the corpo? FUCK YEEEES, I ALWAYS LOVED HER, SHE IS AN AMAZING PERSON AND DESERVES THE WORLD
>>91355080So... she's the average /vt/ poster any time a holo does or doesn't do anything?
>>91315039I…. am having a hard time looking at this image. I know I'm seeing TITS, HIPS, and MEAT, but I'm having a weird/strange feeling, like I don't know where to look for whatever fucking reason.
So what I'm absorbing from this thread is that Kronii has BPD and this Sally person is her favorite person and she's likely splitting irrationally in regards to Fauna, and they both have avoided each other to avoid anything negative publicly?
>>91355556Everything except the BPD part.
>>91355653Why wouldn't it be borderline?
>>91299703What a shit gen Council was.Everyone came in already having plans for other jobs.Bae lucked out because her dancing aligned with what HoloJP did post lockdown.
>>91355352I can only speak for myself but the designs look to busy and overladden with wierd stuff.
Are any of you retards who post or aligns themselves with the edit of the "don't make me tap the sign" here? If Hololive would REALLY, REALLY had a tight leash on every single one of these retarded women, none of this shit would happen, internal shit that clearly is not ENTIRELY fault of managers, management and whoever fucking else, can't be blamed on them. When one of them is not "IN", the whole structure collapses, and more weight gets added to the other pillars.
>>91356083>Mumei Actual job and college degree to please mom>FaunaContinue GFE streamer after grifting an audience from holo>KroniiWanted to be a real VA but failed and realized her only hope of success now is through holo so she go hard>BaeAlways wanted to do JP idolshit so hololive work out for her>IRyS???
>>91314772Prudes getting all flustered and angry about being forced to wear revealing outfits is a charm point. Come back when you've developed taste.
>>91348981Is that rrat tarot coded?
>>91353988I don't even know who Shondo is but this sounds fucking stupid. Fauna is not using people as a stepping stone. Do people really expect her to stay in the same position forever? This is the same as any other fucking job. Jobs CHANGE. Just because she took the opportunity to join Hololive (which is LIFE CHANGING), doesn't mean she's stabbing anyone in the back. Just because she leaves holo to go indie again because she can't get along with management, doesn't mean she only used it as a stepping stone. It means she found that she doesn't belong there and needs a change. Hell, we don't even know if she's going to do full-time streaming after this. Lemonleaf could totally end up being a side project for all we know.God it's like so many of you fucks here have no idea how human beings work.
>>91356083Because both Myth and Council thought it would be a good temp job for covid.
>>91357073All I know is multiple people have come out against Fauna and I trust the word of many over the word of one repeat offender
>>91357344meds
>>91357495Saying I need meds means you're saying shondo and Kronii need meds too, you realize
>>91357344Good lord no one in holo has explicitly come out AGAINST Fauna. Not a single one. Have you actually watched the streams where bae, calli, irys, etc. have talked about it? Not one of them had a bad word to say about her. Most of them had at least some support for Fauna (notably calli and gura if you watched her member stream) or showed/told about genuine sadness they were feeling (bae), and at worst (kronii), didn't mention fauna one way or the other. But at this point I'm convinced kronii just has her head too far up her own ass.But you idiots are all so wrapped up in your manufactured drama that nothing I say will make you realize that in reality, we don't know what the fuck is going on other than an obvious distance between fauna and kronii and some issue between fauna and management (that is more than likely no one's fault, it's just a disagreement), and we don't know the reason for either and likely never will. Until the day comes where one of the girls ACTUALLY speaks ill against fauna, shut the fuck up and stop spreading deluded misinformation.
>>91357620>BPD whore and literal depressed doomerYou didn't think this one through huh?
>>91356083seems like holo learned a lot from myth and council which is why advent and justice feel so diffrent.the luck that they with myth certainly didnt carry into council and cover made some poor decisions(irys having to debut without genmates etc.
>>91357688>irys coincidentally start posting about chuck of meat the day after the announcement
>>91357820>chuckKEKAROO ESL, you lost monkey. Back to watching your phase NTR
>Kronii and Fauna were dating>They broke up and it hurt Kronii very bad>She started ignoring Fauna and creating her clique>This clique pushed Fauna into graduation>I am schizophrenic
>>91357820Holy shit are you fucking serious? How deluded are you. You conspiracy fucks are utterly hopeless. You have no evidence to support your insanity so you just invent this shit.Irys has also been talking with fauna regarding her graduation on twitter and offering support, but that actual evidence towards a positive FRIENDSHIP towards irys and fauna holds less weight than some bullshit conspiracy theory, I guess.
>>91357344>repeat offenderRepeat offender how?
I dont think that Fauna or anyone else will ever spill the beans.its just going be to reruns of this thread and those that came before and Im honestly impressed by the amount of bs that has been cooked up so far.
>>91358622The >hololive is a black company lost it's novelty, of course schizos will run this shit to ground until everyone gets tired of it
>>91359244How does this shit affect hololive as a corpo? The rrats are about interpersonal relationship between two talents and not about bad enviroment
