Can someone explain to me when we went from hating hololive and management to hating Fauna?
>>91702530I doubt it! Next question.
>she's white>she's a womanwant me to go into details?
>>91702530'ate whores, 'ate veggies, 'ate quitters, simple as
>>91702530My oshi set the record straight and told me it was her fault
>we
>>91702530>/vt/ fried their brains out since Selen terminationI love everyone in vtubing sphere but I only watch Hololive so.. idk maybe its just 4ch culture but somehow the new shtick for catalog tourists >compare Fauna and Rushia.cannot wait for them to compare next Holo graduate with Hannibal Lecter...>its getting worse and uglier
>>91702530you can only blame literally everyone else for a single person's problems for so long
>>91702788She had a disagreement with management. Okay?
>>91703161What problems? Am I missing something here?
>>91702530They're not called Holodrones for nothing
>>91702530when we allowed the management dogs to set the narrative
>>91702530Dunno. The board goes after whichever side is funnier usually. In this case it's just boring since it seems like a relatively amicable parting and she's said nothing other than "disagreement with management."And unlike Niji, we're not getting any leaks.
>>91702636What did you have for dinner?
>>91703376"But... But... The others in Promise don't speak to her so that must mean they HATE Fauna!"
>>91702530She made it too obvious and caused the corpodrones to lose face. Everyone has an idea that something must be happening for so many en members to be either on hiatus, semi hiatus, or graduating.The corpodrones are relying on the vague graduation statements to cope that nothing is wrong and it's business as usual.Fauna came out and said it in a way that's hard to them to sweep it under the rug, that's why they're mad at her. It's even more ridiculous when you see that she didn't shit on hololive, she just framed it as a disagreement, plain and simple, nothing bad about that. The corpo defense mechanism can't stand anything other than "I love hololive but I'm going to do other stuff"
>>91702530>we
>>91702530You explain it since you made it the fuck up
>>91703636I seriously thought something was happening behind the scenes since this is the 4th graduation this year. Guess this was just a coincidence.
After clique leaders of JP and EN did damage control
>>91704207>Hasn't checked out hololive global the passed few days.
>>91704267not reading you're gay thread rajesh
>>91704330Okay I'll go fuck myself then.
>>91702530I don't hate anybody. I don't respect any fucking vegan, however.
>>91704230Not a coincidence. Hololive's business has become larger, streaming has stagnated, and they're under huge pressure from investors to make more money. The solution is to invest in projects that involve more behind the scenes work, less streaming, and focus that shifts away from the talents to the IP.Some of the older talents who got in early are probably not on board with the changing work, not a surprise that they would leave.
>>91702788>inadvertantly confirms preferential treatmentOof
>>91704859I heard they were doubling down on being an idol company and a lot were leaving for that.
>>91702788Thanks for reminding me to always take posts here with a grain on salt because Mori's response was literally the only one that was able to console me as a sapling.She was literally the only one to acknowledge the fact that hearing about other people's oshi's being fine and ok in hololive does nothing to ease your heart about the fact that YOUR oshi is leaving. Mori is more empathetic and caring than she ever needed to be with what she said and only ever reminds me that she is here to fucking support hololive and her friends until her last dying breath. Bitch.
>>91705319Bitch?
>>91702530Holobronies proved they are the same as sisters.It was rather disappointing.
>>91703636>that's hard to them to sweepSEAchama...
>>91705319So it's fauna's fault?
>>91703391I had traderjoe orange chicken
>>91705920Never had Trader Joe's before. Was it good?
>>91704267That's the thread I frequent the most, its really easy to tell when the outsider shitters flood in and try to force something, and when it doesn't work they run away to the catalog like you are doing
>>91706253Dude the spinning this narrative that the rest of promise hates fauna
>>91706076Fuck yeah it was
>>91702530I never liked Fauna even before she joined Hololive.
>>91706458Oooo. I'm gonna check it out next paycheck then lol
>>91705319This. Instead of her, "everything is ok!" genmates
>>91702530I hope LL’s new model has bare feet.
>>91705674Nta but that was due to not backspacing a sentence change. "Hard to sweep under the rug" -> "Hard for them to sweep under the rug."
>>91702530Management is good
>>91706529So the problem is her and not management?
>>91702530Damage control was successful. I find it funny how her Genmates and even JPs did damage control tweets when Fauna's graduation dropped.They didn't do it when Chloe announced hers. Not when Ame or even Aqua did. Fucking Fauna caused all this. I'm honestly impressed.
>>91706715Fauna had to do the retarded thing and blame management. And worst of all, be vague about it.
>>91706768>blame managementApparently having disagreements means that she's blaming management. Already trying to spin things huh?
>>91706820NTA but that's just twisting the words. In simple terms, because of management, she's leaving.
>>91706415>Dude they're spinning this narrative that the rest of promise hates faunaBut they do.
>>91706849What words are being twisted here? There is nothing wrong with having disagreements, people have disagreements over many things all the time without turning hostile at one another.The fact that people are assuming that disagreements have to be toxic is proof of how childish they are over this affair. They think that either Fauna or Cover is evil and there is no in-between.If someone offers you a $50k job and you turn it down, it doesn't mean that the other party is evil, it simply means that there is no agreement. That is unironically what people meant when they say that the fans are tribal. People need to grow up.
>>91707072No they don't
>>91706849How is that a "problem with her"?
>>91707133But they do.
>>91707129Same thing with people trying to push this idea that the other talents hate her for some reason.
>>91707129>hyperboleAnd that's why you're shortsighted. Fauna is one of HoloEN's top performers, if your talent is leaving because of disagreements, maybe you should reevaluate your management. Hololive is nothing without its talents.
>>91707175Where is the proof of this? Are you going to use extremely vague examples that could mean a bunch of different things?
>>91707133>immediately react on twitter by blaming her>ignore her and don't collab with her until she graduatesHow do you call it?
>>91707238You must have read these tweets wrong because they weren't blaming her.
>>91707222Minecraft VC
>>91707287You're absolutely right. Everything will be okay. Just face away and ignore it.
>>91707319Again very vague.
>>91707238>immediately react on twitter by blaming herYou're wrong, they tweeted it out before the announcement. Don't forget they also said to the clippers they cried about it!
>>91707402>Don't forget they also said to the clippers they cried about it!Kronii didn't lol
>>91707206Hololive is also nothing without its management. Nijisanji is in the state that its in because it cheaps out on its managers. If talent are the hands, management is the head.
>>91702530>weI never hated any of those things.
>>91703268Shiori is a management dog, she was saying shortly after Fauna's announcement that management doesn't actually ask a lot from her.
>>91707471shiori is already used to the kind of services they ask from her so
>>91707426But who's essentially the product here? Definitely not management.
>>91707421lol true
>>91707421If that's true then she's reminding me of pat when the super best friends disbanded.
>>91707579The product is the entertainment, anon. No, the talent is not the product. The streams, the merch the concerts, THAT is the product.
>>91707426Managers are replacable. Talents are so much harder to do so.
>>91707623Good management is not replaceable. They are in a difficult position because they play an important but unsung job. When a talent fucks up, everyone is affected including management. But when a talent is lauded, only the talent is acknowledged.
>>91707669We're in hololive, talents don't fuck up
>>91707698
>>91707620Stop being a hololicker and trying to act like management is completely innocent.
>>91707669>Good management is not replaceable.Whoever Fauna's manager was definitely doesn't fit that bill then. Fucker was a glorified relay service at best and an actual hazard to getting things done at worst since they would ghost her until the last minute for most deadlines instead of actually playing the role of an intermediary and Fauna could have probably gotten more done with a direct email and DeepL.
>>91707669Yeah and they're clearly singing a tonedeaf tone.
>>91707669Hi management.
>>91707623You're a moron if you think they never fired a manager.
>>91707742So you don't have an argument, just buzzwords. Typical nijisister.
>>91707752I do think Fauna's manager is likely to get the boot. The loss of Fauna is also going to result in some heads rolling. It may also explain why the other talents are keeping mum.
>>91707835Typical drone thinking a faceless corporation can do no wrong.
>>91703225>What problems?Exactly. It's a nothing burger dialed up to 11. And once common sense picks up for these idiots, they finally noticed the nail that needs hammering down instead of being angry at everything else that's fits comfortably in their own holes.
>>91702530Nobody is hating Hololive or Fauna other than the usual schizos and sisters, please take your medsalso>we
>>917079246 nails*
>>91702530there was never a "when". I never trusted western women.
>>91707951It's everywhere retard. Get glasses.
>>91702643Same retard that responds "brownfeet!!!" On every thread btw
>>91707951Don't be retarded. You know what OP means by "we"
>>91702530SEAs hate white women.
>>91702530I hate Fauna for being a vegan. My oshi can't eat her veggies and yet she has to tip toe around her and pretend she loves going to vegan restaurants when she's with Fauna.
>>91705319 This. There are so many morons on this board that read something and their schizo brains convert it into something that confirms their bias when all their oshi said was "my personal experience wasn't like that but it sucks that theirs was and I get their decision even if I wouldn't make it myself."
>>91708129We in general not literally everyone.
>>91702530We like the company and what it offers and how it shapes the streamers to be a certain way. If you leave the company, you're a piece of shit and you WILL get hated on. It's not hard to understand. Never EVER betray Hololive.
>>91706576I really do not like her new look. It's a shame.
>>91708239Shill
>>91707623Talents are very replaceable. They can always just debut a new gen to replace those who leave. Just like Dooby, when Fauna loses the blue dorito people will begin to stop caring about her. The brand is much greater than any individual talent, and the managers are integral to preserving the brand.
>>91702530Nah, fuck management. I support Fauna and now I'm dropping the blue dorito for indiesOk so how do I find the 1 and 2views to groom
>>91708344I just get them recommended to me on YouTube by the algorithm with no rhyme or reason
>>91707421It's so weird Kronii managed to talk about Fauna's graduation without mentioning her even once. She's your genmate for fuck's sake.
>>91708367Ok, now how do I get her to be my personal little vtuber gf
>>91708396Be funny and interesting
>>91708325Too bad Fauna's manager might still get replaced.
>>91708449Probably already has if the rrats that Nerissa shared a manager were true, since she just got a new one.
>>91708239Dooby3d would like to have a word with you.
>>91708595she's the worst offender
>>91707603What is that supposed to mean? Are there Pat truthers now?
>>91702530>hating hololivenever did>hating managementstill do>hating Fauna I dont
>>91708648I just mean like. When they announced their disbandmen, Matt and Woolie were crying while Pat had the biggest shit eating smile in his entire life.
>>91708325>Just like Dooby, when Fauna loses the blue dorito people will begin to stop caring about herthat's a bald-faced lie
>>91702643I hear nigger seething.
>>91707872Muh believe all woman
>>91709780Sexist.
>>91705319Calli turned out to be the best of her gen, who would have thought. Yes I will call her Calli just to make vtards seethe.
>>91702530I’ve always hated her?
>>91710712>You
>>91702530now that you saplings have been exiled you get to see that on this board hololive as a company is the only oshi that matters and anyone aligned against it or even just neutral to it is treated with disgust or suspicion
>>91710823This is just sad.
>>91710823And that's a good thing
>>91710922You're a shill
>>91702530Bootlicking is built into SEApeople on a genetic level.
>>91703268You needs trash list needs to be slightly believable or it doesn't get (You)s from people pointing out the errors.
>>91705735There's no "fault" here going on. Fauna wanted to do X and management said no. She heard it enough times to the point where being part of Hololive wasn't worth it anymore. Perhaps you're the right talent for the job where you would fall in line and follow your orders for the rest of your life. Fauna isn't that kind of person and there's nothing wrong with that.
>>91711823Yeah my bad. Guess I just wanted a real answer after all the rrats but this is 99% all the happened.
>>91712025Fauna leaving alone wouldn't be that big of a deal, think long term will be good for her and her fans as she will likely do more content and be happier. It is a few talents all leaving around the same time as Cover is changing which shows there is some kind of dysfunction within the company. The people that can leave do while the ones remaining do so because they are benefiting or don't have a choice.
>>91712275One of the sanest posts I've read in several days
>>91706715Fauna announcing her graduation two days after Chloe made everyone afraid of a mass exodus, things started to calm down when it was revealed that everyone else is locked in at least through HoloFes
>>91712346Could it be that Japanese companies are often retarded and have all their talent contracts up for renewal at the same time?
>>91712275It sucks too because they're all my favorites that left.
>>91702530>drop the disagreement with management reason >cause a huge shitstorm because of it>to the point where you cant differentiate fans from anti>other unrelated talents had to talk about it even when it shouldn't involve them>cause more trouble for them by keeping quiet about it>others avoiding her because of it>her whole gen doesn't want to be involved with her anymore >what should have been a peaceful graduation is now a mess
>>91702530Have you noticed that it happens at current timezone only? It is SEA chink schizos having chimpout because they "rost face” and in their culture it is very important. They don’t care that there are issues with management. They are slaves to hierarchy and can’t comprehend that superiors in their beloved company may be wrong and evidently there is something going on with all those hiatuses.White people are here for girls and interactions between them and chinks will never admit that they are in wrong
>>91712394Probably, but even Stevie Wonder could see that the optics were going to be really bad and they should do something to stagger them
>>91712564Doesn't help that she only tweeted or tackled it a week after her announcement probably because she was pressured because her genmates are getting attacked or the fanbase is starting to be divided
>>91712671Things being seemingly obvious has never stopped JP corpos from making terrible decisions
>>91712275Sapling here, I for one am not looking forward to her folding back into the Shondo clique or Phase (if the rrats are to be believed).
>>91712762I think the phase rrat is fairly safe to ignore
>>91712671It happens all the time in Japanese wrestling, that's why I brought it up.
>>91712762My only problem with her returning is she'll most likely return as "Fauna" and not one bit as "Lemonleaf". You'll be surprised by how different they act and their content so it saddens me that Lemonleaf will only just be Fauna now.
>>91702530I'm gonna be honest, I'm really fucking sad that she's graduating, and if I let myself be gaslit into being mad at her instead it makes her leaving hurt less
>>91712923That's understandable, anon, but you're being a coward. Face your feelings, don't hind behind fake anger or you are no better than a sister.
Whos we?
>>91712886No different than how 2022 shondo acts vs today
>>91712923Just start hating the corpo, it's never morally wrong to hate a corporation but it's often morally wrong to hate individuals.
>>91712303>One of the sanest posts I've read in several daysYou have the crazy of /pol and idol psycho culture being way too much of the posts trying to cause conflict.>>91712459>It sucks too because they're all my favorites that left.Eventually it will happen to all of them. On the plus side so far I think most of the people who have left all continued
>>91713328Only reason I still stick around is because of Mumei.
>>91713351Not for long then
>>91713351
>>91712275Her *current* fans will just not be happyLosing the dorito is the equivalent of actually dying irl for the average drone and many other sapling will not like the content direction change.Fauna will decline much harder than Ame did and thats fact.
>>91713399While still stuck in college?
>>91713447What does decline mean? If you aren't Suisei and the goal is maybe to have the most subs I don't know you care. You make way more money with 1/10 of the audience as you aren't splitting the money with cover and you own more of the IP which allows for greater profit going foward. Fauna has one of the largest streaming audience and a 19 second clip posted by Not Fauna Lemonleaf 2 weeks ago with no promotion has half a million views.
>>91713603>You make way more money
>>91702530Every black company has their sycophants.
>>91702788Even when you deceptively rearrange Mori's words she is still less of a bootlicker than the other girls were forced to be.
>>91713603Even with the split Fauna makes more money now than will do as indieHolos gets>supas>membership>a fucton in merch>a fucton in sponsorship deals >a salary on top of that>cons invoncesAs lemonleaf she will lose>the salary>a fuckton of memberships>a fuckton of supas>basically, just her entire merch income>trade the good holos sponsors for gamersup and owo market>offkai will be the major con inviting her
>>91702530They like that Niji mindset. Company over talent.
>>91703636It's also weird when EN girls end up moving to Japan for convenience. Theirs or the company's. For some it worked out, not so much for Ina, who said she would have blown up at management if her direct manager hadn't stopped her.
>>91702530Cover activated the bootlick sleeper cells. The switch in the narrative was so sudden and eerie that it is the only logical explanation.
>>91713797You don't become rich working for other people.
>>91705201>tHeY lEfT bEcAuSe ThEy DiDn'T wAnT tO bE iDoLsActual retard
We love Fauna
>>91713797>As lemonleaf she will lose x,y and zMaybe but at least she will no longer be oppressed by the management.She will probably be able to express herself better and in the long term it could be a good decision for her, at least when it comes to the quality of her future streaming content.
>>91714000Autism
>>91707816It only took 3 years to fire Omega after Irys's cords were permanently damaged from an abusive work schedule.
Merch spam is gay, Hololive is going way too fucking hard on cross collabs with other businesses and it doesn't benefit streams in any way at all, and there are only a select few who benefit from Cover funneling their money into other endeavors.
>>91707861It isn't their direct managers that are the problem. It's middle management at the company. Kronii and Ina have both talked about how abusive or incompetent the company management is, but Kronii defended her manager from an abusive man at the main office, and the only reason Ina didn't quit after the visa fiasco is her manager talked her down.The company is black, but there are a few good people in it that try to take their job seriously.
>>91714189There's gonna be a lot of fags who need to justify their jobs in that 500 person workpool.
>>91714189When did she say almost quit over the visa issue?
>>91714080Then get it treated instead of suffering others with your presence.
>>91714189this is the contract schizo, do not take him seriously
>>91714260I was talking about you.
>>91713987In vtubing you do yes, you either work for Hololive or you will just going by making some money MAYBE for 3-4 years and then you will need to quit and find a jobMeanwhile Holos in 5 years will have generational wealth
>>91714432You don't have to make up stuff anon. None of them have generational wealth
>>91714000Dog I can't remember everything every single vtuber has done.
>>91714247In my head
>>91714370And I turned it around, using some wordplay to imply you confessed your own mental impairment. Everyone here on this side had a good chuckle.
>>91714000there is a difference between doing a shitty concert once in a while with 2 hours of practice the day before to mostly check if your connection works fine (100% done from home btw) and the Hololive idol pipeline of >having to go to Japan every 2 months for 2 weeks worth of packed as fuck 14 hours of recordings with people that can't even speak your language because you don't fucking live in Japan so you have to do all their scheduled events recording for the next months in the few days you are in Japan>>91713912>moving to Japan for convenienceIt's a literal necessity for them to move to Japan.Whose who can't because too retarded to learn the language and do the proper paperwork WILL suffer more and more, even the fucking JP girls are suffering and they don't have to intercontinental travel constantlyI can honestly see Cover putting in the contract >you have to know or prove to study for N3 and willing to find residence in JapanAs mandatory condition for getting in HololiveEN soon, THEY HAVE TO
>>91714594Good to know I entertained some people.
>>91703268>FBK not management dogAnon..... I know you people dont watch JP streams, but FBK is a member of the Micomet clique now. ANything you remember about her being the canary in the coal mine is years out of date now.
>>91709780Only when they lick boots like you, right?
>>91714637>Ex-holosanjis aren't willing to fly to japan and be in a studio to record concerts now that they've become indie...Hmm...
>>91714806What exactly are you trying to point out there?
>>91714637>Speaks Japanese>Does the proper paperwork>Lives in Japan>Still got fucked over by management Holo Defense Force, more like Holo Dense Farce
>>91714925One fuck up doesn't change the fact that if you work for Hololive you must know have Japanese N3 and a Japanese residence.The american studio is never happening, they will all move to japan or will quit
>>91714637>with 2 hours of practiceIt was 1.5 months.https://youtu.be/2HIXn8bhwbM?t=4242>I can honestly see Cover putting in the contractThat actually looks like a very reasonable and necessary condition given the direction Cover is moving. It's a business trying to mature.
