Do they even know what Japanese idols are or do they instantly think of that one girl who shaved her head as self-punishment like 10 years ago because a paparazzi photographed her with a man?A lot of them see the term "idol culture" and think "evil". Can this be fixed?
Because it's Japanese otaku culture and they don't care about it.
>>91789918>>91789918>Can this be fixed?You mean idol culture? Maybe. Probably not.
The "idol haters" are casualnigger NPC-cattle who only have [CURRENT THING] shit in their brain which in recent years is culture wars and politics. They jump from hobby to hobby without ever piercing surface level because they have 0 passion, and just exist as a virulent cancer that tries to infect everything with whatever politics they're obsessed about (this goes for phasebrowns as well). They barely even watch streams to begin with.But even once we get past these fake fans the western sphere isn't familiar with idol stuff at all since even the popularity of Japan never managed to make the industry attractive to outsiders, hell nobody even listens to J-Pop despite the fact that anime has been pushing it to weebs for decades (in fact modern anime started straying away from this genre instead).Couple this with the prevalent twitch culture and you get a vtuber audience that is heavily invested into video game streams rather than anything else. Idol stuff can still be well received for these types but it just won't be the focus and is more of a consequence of oshi-ing a chuuba than inherent enjoyment of that type of content.
Idol culture is weird and embarrassing from the normal person perspective
>>91790109No, people's perception of it overseas
>>91790388Define "normal person"
>>91790478Imagine the opposite of yourself
>>91790498Sounds awful
Would you be willing read the contents of a Fwmc thread to a stadium of 10,000 people?
>>91790720No but I don't see how that's relevant to the topic in any way
>>91789918>do they instantly think of that one girl who shaved her head as self-punishment like 10 years ago because a paparazzi photographed her with a man?People don't remember how big of a spotlight Western media shined on this. They wanted every normalfag to know about it.I think Western media calculated this specifically to prop up K-pop. The message was, "Look how regressive Japan is, and look how progessive South Korea is."
>>91789918They like it when the supposedly pure and seiso idols behave crudely and vulgarly. The exact thing that made hololive popular in the west.
>>91790949>spoilerWhat for?
>>91789918>do they instantly think of that one girl who shaved her head as self-punishment like 10 years ago because a paparazzi photographed her with a man?no, I think of retarded shit like dating bans, but add that to a pile of garbage that idolfags have to excuse
>>91790949It is a genuinely disturbing thing to happen over a young girl having a boyfriend, especially considering western celebrity culture is practically its polar opposite and often indulges in "shipping" actors and singers who worked on something together. America has a strong sense of personal freedom and loves keeping up with celebrity couples so the idea of a young person having to save herself for a bunch of unwashed basement dwellers is inherently repulsive to them
>>91791335>It is a genuinely disturbing thing to happen over a young girl having a boyfriendDon't be an idol to begin with or graduate if you want to date
>>91790949It also fits into the timing when Japanese appliances and electronics started disappearing from shelves and were replaced by Korean brands like Samsung and LG
>>91791507That's the thing, and exactly why the west will continue to reject idolshit. That is a psychotic opinion to have
>>91790997I think America propped up South Korea as its beacon of cultural influence within Asia, specifically as a counter to Chinese influence. And as for casting aside Japan, I think the election of Abe was a factor. These decisions are what soft power is made of.
>>91789918Go to bed SEAfriend
>>91789918>let me cuck you on stream while you give me money
>>91791842Come to think of it, are there any dedicated cuck/findom vtubers? The entire practice is already a form of emasculation and throwing cash at women and those have big niches on onlyfans. Has anyone had the idea to lean into it?
>>91791740>That is a psychotic opinion to haveIt's not an opinion, it's the fucking point. It's why that sub-genre of Japanese celebrities exists.Idols are "entertainment nuns". If a girl doesn't want that then just be a regular performer.
>>91791985You're weird bro
>>91792277I didn't say I agree with it
>>91791943Towa for most of this year.
>>91792545As in actual cucktubing or "was in the same zipcode as a man" cucktubing?
>>91789918Idol music (and J-pop in general) is just an unlistenable steaming pile of shit. The only way you can enjoy it is if you were raised listening to it or you get a terminal case of weeb like fwmc.
>>91792695I like it.
>>91791740The west prefers to arrange relationships between their female celebrities and athletes. Pretending said relationships aren't also complete keyfabe meant to generate tabloid slop for mouth-breathers. No less pathetic than Otaku shit.
>>91792277Uh oh melty
>>91789918Because being an idol comes with expectations and obligations.This goes against the "SHE'S A REAL HUMAN BEING SHE CAN DO WHATEVER SHE WANTS" mentality of westerners, since women avoiding all accountability and responsibility is so baked in to our culture now.They are however parasite tourist scum that need to be gatekept else they ruin every niche hobby and oust the original actual fans, talents and culture that made something worthwhile to begin with.TLDR: twitch whores and their simps want to ruin something they don't even understand
Do you know what the core essence of the USA has been ever since 1782Strictly, the world economy is rested upon the American people being debt slaves. While making the women stupid beyond unnatural, systematically killing them per the core of masonic Judaism-Illuminati. To pass them out from mental illness. Sweeping the nation with a leviathan scythe of it as with nuclear world war, shitsoul replacement invasion, and meds of poison which is the original purpose of /vt/: /theglobalistnewworldorder'sfemaleenforcementengine/.https://files.catbox.moe/om9u20.pngThat's why God sent the Japan Manga And Anime Spirit as Idol Vtubers to kill globalist /disneychannel/'s every defender.With a rock.
>>91793405fact checked by real otaku patriotsTRVTH
>>91789918Western fans prefer genuine cuckoldry like they have in their EN branch. The idol culture is a foreign concept to them, it's worthless to try fixing them.
>>91 793815Lying From Eglin. I want all freemasons illuminati and jews formally admitted as existential enemies of the USA In Wartime. Collapse them.
>>91789918> A lot of them see the term "idol culture" and think "evil". Can this be fixed?You can’t fix what isn’t broken, anon.
>>91794509Idol culture is not evil
>>91794815It’s an inherently predatory industry that sells empty promises of fame and stardom to impressionable young girls, then dolls them up and dangles them like meat in front of lonely, desperate men to milk them of all the money they’re worth. It’s like all the worst parts of child pageants and drug addiction rolled into one, but because it comes packaged behind a cute face it’s met with cheers and cringy glowstick dances instead of horror and revulsion.
>>91795198You're one pretentious motherfucker, you know that?
>>91795332Guilty as charged; still don’t care for the idol industry or the culture its cultivated, though.
>>917900573dpd whores and shitty music. Dancing is also for normalfaggots. It's like saying you can't be a weeb if you aren't into Gundam.
>>91790720Would you be willing read the contents of any /vt/ thread to a stadium of 10,000 people?
>>91795654>you can't be a weeb if you aren't into GundamYou can’t be a weeb without acknowledging Gundam
>>91795654J-Pop is good actually
>>91790438No, carpet bomb the West.
>>91789918>Can this be fixed?No. People outside of your niche interest are never going to look at the sketchier elements of idol "culture" and accept them. Recruiting middle schoolers and turning them into objects of obsession for lonely men, paying them like shit, and dictating what they can or can't do in their private life is fucking weird. Not to mention whatever sex-pest behavior the old men who run the industry are doing behind the scenes. At least vtubers are adult women who can live separately from their online personas in their off time.
>>91789918>do they instantly think of that one girl who shaved her head as self-punishment like 10 years ago because a paparazzi photographed her with a man?>A lot of them see the term "idol culture" and think "evil"Wow I wonder why. It's a deeply fucked industry.
>>91795198Western entertainment loves depraved sexual promiscuity while Japanese idol culture at least sells the illusion of a girl who is moral and wholesome. The yakuza did some horrible things in the 1980s but Hollywood did far worse things to children for decades. There are sexual aspects to idols with gravure photo shoots but the modern idol companies are saints compared to the demons in Hollywood.
>>91792610Repeated flirting with her SF6 coach/channel regular. And no, it's not just "hurr they talked they are fucking" unicorn arguments.https://warosu.org/vt/thread/91073293
>>91797676but hololive is the best parts of idol groups with the least negative parts
>>91798226Towa is THE whore of hololive and that's why >we love her
>>91789918It's cringe, like the rest of Japanese culture. Singing and dancing the way they do is for kids, not grown adults. If someone actually wants to do it, that's not admirable - it's a red flag.
>>91798242I guess so, but they still sell that awkward and unhealthy illusion by playing "characters" but the whole thing is still a lifestyle. They don't seem to have too many issues in that regard since it's a don't ask and don't tell policy but I could see them amalgamating into a sleazy JP talent company eventually.
>>91798300Tourist
>>91798300
>>91789918>Can this be fixed?Yes. And her name is Minto.
>>91799076a vile perversion
>>91799031Bronies loved this quote lmao
>>91798957I have my own general which I've always loved. Goes without saying that it has nothing to do with Holo though.
>>91799207doesn't make it untrueif there ever came a day when hololive was hip and cool and socially acceptable, you would suddenly go back on all your "but its cringe!!!" bullshit and pretend you liked it all along
>>91799227holo board
>>91789918
>>91798300go back
>>91789918Idol culture is a good thing anyone who says otherwise is a tourist, or larping moralfag
>>91804185trvke
>>91804185Or seething whores
>>91789918Honestly a big part of it is idol music is kinda shit. The people that would be into corpo produced music with dancing girl groups in the west already gravitated towards kpop which is a better emulation of western pop music.
It is decidedly unmasculine to like idol groups
>>91789918true
>>91790057That's a shame.
>>91797957Both can be bad, this isn't an us vs them thing every single entertainment industry is fucking rotten in one way or the other
>>91799935anime website, holo board, tourist poster
just get a western oshi who gives a shit
>>91817408No western vtuber gives a shit
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>>91799207Everyone loves this quote because it rings true, dipshit. Being an adult is about having agency, being responsible and performing your tasks correctly when you're on duty.
>>91789918Westerners are not easterners. More news at 11.
>>91791745Don't care about Kpop but dreamcatcher was actually good, that was the only thing I listened to before finding hololive
>>91792695I only listened to idolmaster...
>>91799076Holy shit Mint actually has a song called ore no white girl I thought that was a 4chan shitpost
>>91789918Because Japan is weird and gross and only the smelly kids at school wanted to learn Japanese.Then they latch onto every negative association they make with Japanese culture to confirm this bias.Don't let your online bubble fool you, this is how the average person living west of Russia views Japan.
>>91796009Yes, I would love to evangelize hag sex to 10k+ people
It's a combination of two elements.The first one is that the western fan in general is incredibly adverse to taking things seriously. He needs a layer of irony, of knowing that something is not real, to feel good. This has been an issue for ages ("I watch it because it's bad" crowd) but exploded with millenial writing in marvel movies.The second reason is that while the west likes Japan, it doesn't respect the Japanese. Western fans always think they know best. They look at an industry built in Japan through Japanese culture, and believe they can do better if only those silly japs listened to them. This applies to almost everything Japanese, from media to work.
Mostly because of the mentally ill fanatics.
>>91828387infowars.com and banned.video
>>91828286>and believe they can do better if only those silly japs listened to themSounds like your average retard /here/ larping as corpo expert or something like that
holoJP affirms the idol culture.And this is the result.https://youtu.be/wIYvks57cQA?t=3912doki and mint also dance at concerts, so it's not just JP.“Why are niji-holo's female streamers so obsessed with idols?”“Why do they give a lot of dance lessons even though they are vtubers?”“Why do irys and even Bae give dance lessons?”The answer is niconico, because old people from niconico affirm niconico culture.niconico was a movement of “game streamers”, “I sing (utatte-mita)”, “I dance (odotte-mita)” and many other young people trying to make the net more lively.Notirys is from “I sing”.I dance” is a creative dance group that performs to the music of ‘hatune miku’ and other artists, and has become mixed with the otaku culture of anime, manga, and video games on niconico.For niji and holo niconico natives, the dance of self-expression and the dance lessons to perform that dance are easily accepted.Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
In holo, the first commemorative concert was a less expressive movement of swaying bodies and arms. Other companies are also.Eventually the infectious disease corona spread, about four years ago.One company used substitute dancers to protect the streamers and recorded it.The company used substitute dancers for the less profitable streamers, while those who had a strong desire to dance danced themselves.The reason is that “I dance” dancers are cheaper than high-end streamers.One company used MMD dance motion, which is a 3D input of dance data, to create a mechanical dance like IWARA.Western vtubers are not allowed to come to Japan due to Corona's refusal to enter the country, so they use MMD Dance Motion or substitute dancers.Around 2023, no one cared about Corona anymore.Female streamers from niconico wanted to have dance choreographers from “I dance” invent expressive dances to perform at paid concerts and free birthday gigs.Everyone wanted to do something like “I dance” videos back in the niconico days.Expressive dance required a lot of dance lessons.Incidentally, two of the five members of regross, a hololive device, are strongly interested in “singing and dancing”, and one of them is a backup dancer.Four of the five members of frowgrow are good at singing and dancing.The direction of holo's newcomers is dance.The old niconico members of holo also have a longing for “I dance”. (The same is true for niji niconico graduates).I think that female holo streamers who are not in line with this historical background are uncomfortable with dance lessons.The mainstay of holo is “from niconico”.That is why many holo members are positive about dance lessons and a few are uncomfortable with them.Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
>>91806315not now andrew tate
idol culture is mega cringe
>>91834783You must be over 18 to post here
>>91827907What you said has fuck-all to do with what I said. Talking to k-pop fans is like talking to a wall.
>>91789918Hating “idol culture” is just a way to thinly disguise xenophobia towards Japanese pop culture. Hololive’s western fanbase shows that the audience for it is there, it’s just that Twitch vtubers are a completely different animal, and there’s a lot more of them, so it looks more like the western audience is rejecting it, rather than the western talents not being willing to walk that path.>>91791745Probably more that Japan has been in an economic slump since the bubble burst while South Korea has been on the upswing than anything that specific. Japan simply became less geopolitically useful.
>>91835979>Talking to k-pop fans is like talking to a wall.they have a massive overlap with nijisisters for a reason
>>90131548
>>91837938holoEN is not very different from twitch vtubers
>>91838625unfortunately true
>>91789918It's girls dancing and singing. Hardly peak entertainment.And the journey aspect is often exaggerated. Yes, people grow with time and hard work. That's literally life.
>>91840334I don't think idol is peak entertainment but you say this as if western vtubers are any better, in fact most of them only provide bottom of barrel entertainment, let's just be honest, it's only because "le ebil idol culture" gets parroted enough that most of clueless people think it's the norm not just a scandal, a dark side of the industry like any other entertainment industry.
>>91795198Doesn't West have higher rate of kid diddling or what
>>91789918western side likes twitch streamers who do funny react content and gaming streams. /thread
>>91823926Exception not the rule
>>91828181>Don't let your online bubble fool you, this is how the average person living west of Russia views Japan.Wrongt. Moskovite
>>91842742Only because pedophilia is so normalized in Japan that diddling isn't considered worth reporting.
>>91843347But Hollywood
>>91843347Yes anon lets start bringing the loli argument into this shit. FOH
>>91842742I wouldn’t know as I haven’t bothered looking into any of those comparative figures, but even if it’s true, it’s also irrelevant to the thread topic of Japanese idol culture’s global reputation.
>>91790995that's the exact same things japanese like nowadays so the west is really just 2 steps ahead as usual
What I find even stranger is people into idols who AREN'T into otaku stuff. Like talking to Fuwamoco fans who don't play VNs, don't play old games, don't watch older shows or anime at ALL, don't even listen to Japanese music in some cases, and yet like JP oriented idols? Like how do you get into this stuff without listening to stuff like スローモーション by Akina Nakamori or ANRI?
