Why did promise have such a hard time making it to 1m while BAU BAU blew through it in a year?
>>91804104The same reason the rest of Advent and Justice will be lucky to make it to 1M in 2 or 3 years
>>91804239cant believe biboo is struggling. people love lolis.
>>91804104Susan chopped around 100k off their sub counts over the course of their first week. You couldn’t even find their channels by typing it into the search bar as well.
>>91804104But Fuwa and Moco only have 500k each?
>>91804104do you have any idea of how hard they numberfagged for it?
>>91804939fuwawa has 800k, mococo has 200k.
>>91804355Your statement proves itself wrong.
>>91804104Because Fuwamoco beg for subs.Only Mori and Fuwamoco can beg for subs without schizos harassing them. Probably because their the fanbases that go after other holos if they beg for subs. See Kiara and Bae.
>>91804104They begged harder than anyone else.
>>91804104bump
>>91804239>justice not at 500k even after 6 monthsoof
>can't reach 1m in a month
In the past 24 hours, a deceased Lawyer went from 90K to 100K. Fauna not getting that says a lot.
>>91804104Males killed their numbers
>>91804104Dog eat meat, Vegans don't. Correlation equals causation.
>>91804795Half of the fags who are screaming about this shit weren't even around when Council dropped, which is pretty crazy. Of course they don't know.Also add in the fact that Advent came a lot later and people were 'ready' for a new gen, and the fact that FWMC chased very hard after Japanese fans, and it kind of makes sense how Advent blew up as hard as they did, especially FWMC.
>>91804104Very simple. Consistent streams, collabs with big names in jp. Lots of cute begging.
>>91808454gigi not even 400k lmao
>>91804104Multiply by 2
>>91811414>FWMC chased very hard after Japanese fans,They really didn't.They chased after everybody by using as many strategies as they could to grow their channel, which worked great up until they were forced to take a break due to the move. Fauna could easily get it if she starts pumping out viral shorts every day and asking herself for 1m subs on twitter or whatever, but she doesn't seem to care that much about it.
>>91812739A majority of their subs came pre-move (850k), and those came from karaokes, some clippable moments, and being the only ones to play some of the games they played. The last push was both shorts and JP chasing, and specifically GTA got a huge chunk of JP nikki to sub to them and push them over the edge.
>>91804355No, pedophiles just won't shut the fuck up on the internet.
>>91804104>promise hard>BAU BAU blew
She'll get it 1 day or 2 before graduation
>>91804355Anime fans generally like lolis but they don't get much of a buff with casual fans. Gura was lightning in a bottle when she debuted in 2020 but there are now hundreds of loli vtubers. Any new EN vtuber is debuting in a crowded market and Fuwamoco being twins got the attention of JP fans but is unlikely to happen again. There is a good chance that EN5 and EN6 will have slower growth rates than Justice which means the next gens will take at least 5 years to reach 1M subscribers. The Hololive box helps but as the number of talents increase the JP fans are getting more reluctant to subscribe to new gens.
>>91804104Bau bau's CCV is worse than Biboo's
Western fans want streamers, not idols. I think the EN branch is being completely misused and killed its growth.
>>91804104Twins buff and they are notorious numberfags, dropping games left and right if they don't give them numbers, openly begging for subs, vertical streaming whenever they could and leeching at anyone they could, not to mention the whole ignoring EN fans thing for JP ones once they reached 600k>>91804355She's a very mediocre streamer, not witty or fun and her selection of games to play is both limited and boring.>>91808454They are all boring, very boring in fact, they bring nothing new to hololive or EN, ERB is the only one that offers a different experience (to a degree) but it ain't a good one either.
>>91824075You aren't wrong, but the vast majority of EN is pretty mediocre.
>>91804104Because Western vtubing starting declining before they even debuted.
>>91804355i love biboo but i cant really say theres many special things to her streams, it feels like your average gameplays from back in 2013
>>91805108>Holo vs Holo>filenamewow i wonder who can be behind this post
>>91809731You're a fluke. Lightning in a bottle. Its as >91818482 says. Anything special about you came from that bottle.
>>91804104Baubaus have a totally unique gimmick in the vtuber space, they're the outlier not the rule. The days of instant 1 million subs within months of debut are over and it'll never be back again unless there is another pandemic.
>>91804239>Raora 3rd to lastI thought people loved helping people with special needs? where's the mass sub boosting?
>>91804239What the fuck is up with Shiori's subs? People can't shut up about her and I see so much fan art.
>>91826831She's the Sana of her group. People love her model and her voice, they just don't watch her streams
>>91826713No, people actually hate having to help you.
>>91826974I'll tell you what, I'll let you delete that weak attempt at a burn and you can try again
Some of you spend way too much time caring about holomem you don't like.Go touch some grass.
>>91804104Because Fuwamoco were actively trying to get to 1m and made it their goal, which they frequently mentioned and thus made fans want to help them.I'm fairly certain nobody else has really done this unless they were already very close to 1 million.
>>91804104FWMC campaigned to get subscribers.
>>91805014I feel like Mococo is the more popular one.
Because promise didn't do as well as expected.
>>91827874Truth. I oshi Mococo. NOT FUWAWA THAT EVIL BITCH
>>91804239>One of the most open male vtuber fans in all of EN>Ends up as the best performer of her genFucking kek
>>91822880BAU BAUs streams are often boring but when they do something special, it's the good shit.
>>91825470that's what i love about it. guess it's not that popular anymore. >>91826140sakuna?
>>91827719nerissa is begging for 10k every other stream.
>>91824075>>91825470I disagree. Biboo is very entertaining.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScnqykIjGrQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HmVU6S19I8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCIOXMKk-24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYyGBilVGGkThat said,>>91818482 is right.Speaking as someone who believes Biboo to be the second coming of peak Gura, tye landscape is just not the same. 2020 was during covid. Also, Gura was made to stream more regularky than she did pre-Holo and was also starting out her official idol reps. Its why it is called "peak Gura" for a reason. Biboo is very much her own identity and humour, but there's a lot about her that matches pesk Gura.There are clear differences though. Gura remains to be the superior singer, and she has had experience in the kids entertainment industry. Biboo is still a novice in many ways, and her strengths are mostly in gaming, heing able to maintain long hours. But a lot of Biboo's earnestness and humour matches Gura.The way I see it, Biboo just needs a bit more time and opportunity to shine.
>>91830740Truth
>>91826919>her voiceit's the reason people don't watch her, that and the blacked thing
>>91830773>>91830926its not that its not good, but if the content you offer is the same as any other indie then you cant really expect much viewership growth
could it be the quality of the content
>>91830552ERB? Yeah look at her supachat revenue, she has the lowest of any female talent.She got Twitter subs, but no one watches, no one donates.
>>91804104the power of having zero shame
looking back on it, fauna just never cared about holo
>>91830552Are you talking about Rissa?
>>91804795Sana got hit the hardest because her stream hashtag was #sANALanding
>>91833504Indeed. Its a very saturated market.
>>91826831She's like Kiara in that not a lot of people like her but the ones that do are damn near schizo about it. If she hadn't chosen to curtail the gfe she'd likely be close to matching Kiara in revenues.
>>91832766The blacked yab pretty much cemented her fate
>>91804104Being lazy really helps you stay stagnant
>>91805108>See Kiara and Bae.I rather not see Bae nor hear Kiara
the least obvious sister thread
>>91804104Sana leaving kneecapped them and they didn't have nearly as many entire gen collabs when they mattered most. A lot of the reason Myth blew up too is that while awkward, they at least had a better veil of unity by playing games together a lot.
>>91837036This is true. Advent is also pretty solid thanks to their collabs. They're quite comparable to NePoLaBo in terms of closeness
>>91804355No loli coould make me watch 100 hours each of all flavors or soulshit
>>90788747
>>91804104bau baus do not even bau bau at homostars promo, they are based
>>91818482Two different japanese men literally ate the padding off the chairs that Fuwawa and Mococo used at the doughnut shop. Their kayfabe mindbreaks people so hard over there. I don't believe they are safe, even Bijou was nearly abducted right in front of them.
>>91804104Pedos.
>>91833946She barely streams dumbass, she's the most nonchalant when it comes to it, even saying that she's willing to wait and take her time. She's not fit to be a streamer at all and just wants to sing all day, everyday, but her people usually pay still.
>>91836471what happened? Shit flew over my head
>>91804104Real talk: likely these factors:>large gap between Holo EN gen 2 and Advent>sob/success story >a niche not filled in Hololive>Gura publicly approved them>JP pandering>lots of number grinding and content baiting
>>91804104The closest Fauna ever did to actively working for subs was releasing some shorts in the last half a year or so, and even that's questionable now considering she was already planning to leave. Maybe her manager told her to do it? Otherwise she doesn't care, she even explained once that she wouldn't do vertical streams because she didn't want tourists and normies being weird in chat.
>>91840084>Gura publicly approved themwhen?
>>91804104nip pandering
>>91840469She did talk about how she wanted to be more like them.
>>91830926She's held back by her lack of expressions and her limited range of inflection. I know it's not her fault, but them's the breaks, kid.Gura doesn't need skits or setup. She's captivating during normal conversations.https://youtube.com/watch?v=-6pI7epvtHgCover better figure something out that works for their golden goose.
If they can't get to 1 million their first year they should be terminated. There is no reason to keep them around. The girls that work hard always achieve it.
>>91804104>Why did promise have such a hard time making it to 1mYoutube cut 200k-250k subs from each of them, most of them hidden from the count rather then unsubbed. You add those back and their sub growth makes a lot more sense with their other metrics.That's the actual answer, whether you like it or not is irrelevant
>>91842118This
Niggers
>>91809731The truth is, if she was a 3rd or 4th gen EM member, Gooba would likely be sub 500k, let alone at 1m in a month.
>>91804104FWMC has Japan buff. She captures both EN and JP speaking audience.
>>91842850It's repeated a lot, but what does that even mean? There's subs that don't even know they're not counted in the official total? What if everyone just unsubbed and resubbed?
>>91842118That would be incredibly stupid: subscriber numbers are very easy to game, and this isn't the YouTube that existed a decade ago, where sponsor companies didn't know what other metrics to look for. So, you'd be trading real growth for a fake, unsustainable growth that doesn't make money and will almost certainly cause drama.
>>91804104because JP BauBaus are leeching from JP branch at every opportunity. They pretty much collab with JP more than with EN
>>91841962I think Biboo can learn. Gura is naturally talented, but Biboo is definitely determined
>>91810252Kronii login from main.
>>91811382BauBaus are so onions that they may as well be vegans
>>91823249this.
>>91826101you know that Gura reached 1M twice on different accounts, right?
>>91804239Bro we're not in the golden age of vtubing anymore
>>91826140Gura is still more than a million subs ahead of the most try-hard JPs, and they cannot be more salty about it.
>>91845996Yeah the party is over. Each gen does "worse" than the last simply because there's less people into the medium after half a decade.As for Promise specifically we already picked our entertainers. Promise had to wave their flag and catch stragglers.Not to say they're not good or bad entertainers but Promise did not have a "Hey guys, follow me!" Energy.
>>91834530except Kiara actually and consistently puts efforts in streaming
>>91842118literally everyone except Myth and a majority of JPs would be culled by that criteria. Take your meds.
>>91842850cope much? How the fuck would you even know about such subs if they are no shown in counters?
>>91848170They should be culled then
>>91847891One was during covid. The other was before covid and took a while. But people make the covid one like its a big deal. No, it was lightning in a bottle. Any other english kusogaki in her spot could have gotten it.A. Bottle.
>>91823249Ironic weebs should be shot.
>>91824075ERB is just a pandering lesbian, at least Gigi is funny. Raora is insufferable and Ceci is boring by herself outside of collabs though, yeah.
>>91818482The reason Gura became popular had nothing to do to with her being a loli. Gura has all the good traits of a highly brandable character:>recognizable design that anyone can tell at a glance>simple design that's easy to draw for fanart or make for cosplays>highly saturated colors that draw attention to her>catchy name that's easy to remember >unique name that's easy for people to search for and findCompare this with Bijou:>name not unique enough to search for without additional search terms>colors are mostly gray and unsaturated>design is complex>silhouette doesn't have a very unique shapeBijou may be more entertaining than Gura, but as far as branding goes, Gura is by far the most brandable vtuber in the world, and that's what really carried her. Being a loli had nothing to do with it. That's why even most people outside of vtubers have heard of Gura. One glance or mention of her sticks to your mind easily, and that's what made her such so popular.
>>91850986Bijou really needs a new outfit. Irys suffered from 1.0 and 2.0 really carried her. Though Irys's best outfit remains to be the schoolgirl one, which she should have had from the start.
>>91804104They delivered what people wanted.People want a livestream anime character.EVERYONE does "Livestreamer with a model".It's not special.
>>91804104fauna can do it
>>91848063so does Shiori, which you'd know if you ever watched her. if you don't like her that's your business. you don't have to justify yourself with lies.
>>91839633I feel like most people that remember this are just shitposters
>>91832766>>91836471What'd I miss?
>>91859445Most people who bother to make a big deal out of it are seething over it, that anon is probably trying to set them off. For most others, it’s just normal and not really notable.
>>91805014INVERSEly proportional to tits, moron
>>91804104Why should I care? We're not friends.
>>91826101I love the rock, but she's just mid. She was a 2 view before even jumping in the Holobox. Gura hit 1 mil and went viral even before joining Holo. She probably has the most well-known PL of all EN.
>>91832766What's wrong with her voice?
>>91804104Bau Bau are double-dipping into the JP pool. Next?
>>91840084>sob/success storyqed?
>>91842118Fuwamoco would be terminated. That was their personal goal and they failed it. Koyori had a similar goal and also failed it (though I do think Laplus and Chloe might have succeeded, I can't remember). Your standards only ever existed in the industry of five years ago and for a handful of people exclusively even then.
Fuck Fauna
>>91804355she's just cute, not funny
>>91850986>The reason Gura became popular had nothing to do to with her being a loli. Gura has all the good traits of a highly brandable character:>>recognizable design that anyone can tell at a glance>>simple design that's easy to draw for fanart or make for cosplays>>highly saturated colors that draw attention to her>>catchy name that's easy to remember>>unique name that's easy for people to search for and findGura's popularity has literally nothing to do with this and everything to do with her being a huge algo-babby who debuted during peak covid
>>91804104Fuwamoco is about escapism. that is why they are always in character.
>>91865619>huge algo-babby who debuted during peak covidSo how come none of her gen mates are able to reach the same level of popularity then? They all debuted at the same time, no?
>>91804104fuwamoco are numberfags simple as
>>91865786>escapismListen… I know I’m a retard. But I don’t need them talking to me like I am one
>>91865883>So how come none of her gen mates are able to reach the same level of popularity then?They did? Myth for a long ass time was the only gen with all 5 five members having over 1 million subs, Gura and Mori were 1 and 2 in subs for nearly 2 years, Mori is the only other EN who has over 2 mil subs (was the 2nd Holo to do this), the next one to eclipse that milestone will be Ina (would've likely been Ame had she not graduated) Myth is the only gen beside JP 3rd gen (arguably the most popular JP gen) to have 2 members with 2+mil subs, etcIf you're asking why they don't also don't have 4 million subs, it's because they aren't lucky enough to be blessed by the YT algo like Gura is, so they have to actually work to get subs, as opposed to passively gaining them because the website pushes your channel/content harder than a drug dealers in the 80s pushed crackI mean just look this shit lmao, she hasn't done a public stream in 60+ days yet she's gaining at a comparable rate to other Holos who stream more in a mouth then she has for the entire year I like her and have been subbed to her since debut, but you're frankly just delusional if you think her growth is because she has a catchy name or simple design or something
>>91868085>it's because they aren't lucky enough to be blessed by the YT algo like GuraAnd why was Gura pushed so heavily by the algorithm? Might it have to do with her having all the traits of a highly recognizable character, perhaps?
>>91868657>And why was Gura pushed so heavily by the algorithm?Because she's lucky? Same reason why any random channel or induvial video can blow the fuck up without any real rhyme or reason
>>91869005The algorithms are not luck based. They are the complete opposite, in fact. She got pushed so heavily by the algorithm because of her debut combined with a recognizable character design and strong branding. The algorithm didn’t just pull a name out of a hat, it was based entirely on youtube and google search trends and viewership data.
>>91804104Bau Bau is smart
>>91850986Gura is very much geared toward wholesome children content. She is the cute cartoon character that kids should look up to.I know that's hard to believe, but it's true. There are girls who will, if Gura stays, will spend the majority of their life watching Gura. Similar to how pewdiepie was for boys.
>>91869816>The algorithms are not luck based.Wrong.Algos are extremely fickle and luck based.The only thing it rewards is consistent scheduling.It's trying to match your content to your audience. It is completely luck based if it manages to do that, because it doesn't know if it will work or not, it simply tries to different audiences until it finds a base.The issue is that it doesn't blast it all at once.The algo quickly found out Gura's audience because it's kids. Mori can't be shilled to kids.Being kid friendly is an instant goldmine for views.>t. seomaxxer
>>91863576Fdund*
>>91810252Who?
>>91804104
>>91860679We're talking about Gura here. Focus. I think Gura was just insanely lucky.
>>91804104>council got sub cull fucked hard in the beginning>The dogs are shameless numberfags and will beg constantly for everything they want>fauna mogs the dogs in ccv
>>91884829I'm so fucking glad you're losing your mascot in two weeks.Please stay out. She doesn't need "fans" like you.
>>91804104divide by 2
>>91885328uhoh wuffian melty
>>91845996>The truth is, if she was a 3rd or 4th gen EM member, Gooba would likely be sub 500k, let alone at 1m in a month.The truth is, there may not be an EN 3rd or 4th gen without Goomba.She was the most subscribed EN vtuber before joining Holo. More than any current Holo and 3rd in the world. No other could have attained 4 million in such short amount of time. Can say it couldn't have been done without covid, but it also couldn't have been done without Gura. Gura was the only one capable of being the lightning in the bottle.
>>91804104they asked and they received
>>91804355It's not even just the fact that she's a loli. It's the fact that she's an extremely chaotic gremlin with a genuine heart of gold and a very close and wholesome relationship with her fanbase. Her streams always feel so warm and fun. And she's one of the most watched streamers in the world right now. With how popular she immediately became straight out of the gate, I thought she'd already be at 1M by now, but given that she's already over 700k, she'll probably hit 1M by next year.
>>91804104fuwamoco is 2 people DUUUHHHHHaka they barely broke 500k
>>91804104Timing. Myth completely took over the internet when they debuted, and the high from how new they still were back in 2021 left Promise completely overshadowed in the beginning. It wasn't until 2022 that Promise finally started to break away from Myth's shadow and take off, partly thanks to many of the Myth members taking hiatuses back then, giving the Promise girls a bigger spotlight. Watching Mumei go from extremely underrated to a beloved mainstream superstar on the same level as the Myth girls in real time was so damn cathartic. Especially when you consider the fact that she barely missed out on hitting 1M in her PL.
>>91804104not enough asmr
>>91875048>>91875348Now that I think about it, Biboo has not done much kids content. Gira literally had a Peppa Pig playthrough for shits and giggles. Biboo has potential (see her powerpoint debut and the design of pebbles) but hasn't been acting on it.
>>91804104the japanese vtuber fanbase is much larger than ENBAUBAU basically abandoned their EN fans in favor of getting jp subs
>>91804355The JP audience didn't know anything about her and she was too zoomer at first for the west.Ever since HoloGTA her numbers have been growing steadily once the JP's fall in love with her she'll break a million.
>>91893031She played through the Marios but Biboo is too much of a skilled gamer to want to play baby games
>>91804104literally divide by two
>>91804795>Susan chopped around 100k off their sub counts over the course of their first weekWhat kind of absolute delusion do you have to be under where this is a factor? Is there a single person in this world who subbed to council prior to debut, had their sub removed, and then just forgot that the second generation of hololive en existed and never watched or subbed again?
