IT'S MERRY CHRISTMAS, YOU COMMIE
>>91987954I'll correct her. Don't worry.
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>>91987954I don't see why Gigi would celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, lord and saviour. I don't think even christians celebrate it anymore. It's a husk of a celebration, totally detached from any religious meaning these days. Funny how the co-opted pagan festivity has become pagan once again.
>>91987954Gigi was a fan of NijiEN and so the vtubers she watched weren't the type that would ever mention Christmas.
>>91989757midwest hicks with an IQ of 30 get extremely offended if you say anything other than "Merry Christmas," regardless of whom you're speaking to or whether or not you care about christmas. Dunno what this has to do with vtubers, though.
>>91987954Are /pol/cucks still getting triggered by two words?
>>91987954The fuck am I suppose to be mad about?
>>91987954>commie Where does this insult even come from? It's like a usable dishrag for /pol/tards. Imagine calling someone who likes apples over oranges a druggy or a corporate bootlicker because they do something different than you.
>>91991519You have to be american, christian and retarded. If you are normal, then there's nothing to get mad about.
>>91987954Modern Christmas has nothing to do with Christ tbqh
>reddit the treadShow your reddit Karma and commonly used subs.
>>91991482Merry Christmas didn't use to trigger this much hate and liberal vtubers absolutely do know their fan bases will freak out if they mention anything related to Jesus.
>>91987954OP is a chink retard who celebrates the moon year rather than the real one so it’s not used to cheer for all holidays.
she is chinese so no xmas for her
>>91987954
Bunch of commie atheists in this thread...
THIS BOARD IS FULL OF COMMIES
all hail commieliveall hail chink investors moneyall hail change of company direction
Happy Holidays :)
>>91996795FUCK YOU, COMMIE
>>91997550Nice bait sister, show them how dumb those chuds are!!!
I don't like chinese people, or "chinese creatures" as I like to call them
>>91987954Happy christmas and a merry new year you faggot.
>>91991852the alternative word is rule 3
Happy Holidays isn't a rejection of or an attack on Christmas. It is a catch all statement that includes Christmas, Hannakah, New Years, Quanza, whatever other pagan celebreations people are celebrating nowadays...Literally no reason to not say it.
>>91987954I grew up with Merry Christmas so I prefer it over Happy Holidays. I also like the songs. Politics suck.
saying "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" implies ESL or you celebrate a holiday that ISNT christmas.
>>91987954Do you know who says happy holidays instead of merry christmas? The joos
>>91988052See to it that you do, sir.This particular gremlin has proven to be rather... bothersome, if I may say so, sir.A very bothersome little girl indeed.
>>91992252Neither did old Christmas either
>>91987954Gigi is a massive sjw of course she is going to say happy holidays this is not a surprise
>>91987954i watch her collabs with my oshi, but i never watch hermori debuffs
Happy Kwanzaa OP!
Pretty sure the only people who say holidays instead of Christmas are jews and muslims. Yikes.
>>92000124Lefties too
>>91999827>Gigi is a massive sjwProof?
>>92000230The proof is in the pudding
>>91999873Her Mori collabs are kino. A shame that you will never experience them because of pettiness.
>>92000230Reps
>>92000301Pudding? Where?
>>91999510You don't celebrate New Year's eve?
>>91990622>atheism = paganismI swear Americans can't be this stupid
protracted people's war on christmas
wait is that an american thing? most people say Christmas here...
>>91987954IT'S NOT EVEN CHRISTMAS YET
>>92001259Happy Holidays is a term pushed by a certain long-nosed tribe, of which there are plenty in America
>>91987954i only know a single person in my life who would use commie as an insult like this. Bro, if this is you, fucking based thread lmao
>>91991449>>91991482>>91992153Transexuals get out
I will fix her.
>>92000230shes friends with people who are full on for "the cause" anon
>>91987954dropped.bitch.
>>92001798You need to have an IQ above 18 to post here.
>>92002032Proof????
>>92002053If her saying happy holidays instead of merry Christmas is enough for you to drop her, then clearly you were never a fan in the first place
>>91987954Why are whites like this
>>91999510>implies ESLRetard. Happy Christmas exists in every language. If she didn't say it is because she didn't wanted to.
>>92002220Will 41 suffice "ma'am"?
>>91990622>Funny how the co-opted pagan festivityI can't believe how many midwits fell for this lol
>>92002266To this day she is friends with Uki and was friends with Elira in the past (unclear if she still is), pic related was a message Uki sent in one of her league streams.
>>91987954Merry Xmas is a tryhard erasing of religion, Happy Holidays is an embracing of multiple religions. Surely a commie would just ban holidays altogether. Imagine following a Japanese vtubing company and thinking Christmas is a religious holiday. It means chicken and fucking your boyfriend to the people making Christmas content in Hololive.
>>92002220anon people with 18 iq don't exist. They are incompatible with lifeanon... anon your insult is retarded
>>91991449You're one step away from being a pronoun faggot
>>92003171>Happy Christmas
>>91991852Actual terminal underage internet-brain kid. No one wants to unironically live in North Korea, you fucking retard.
>>91987954What race is she?
>>92005216>The word “Merry Christmas” is usually used in the United States while “Happy Christmas” is more prevalent in the United Kingdom since both the expressions have altered and developed with time.FAGGOTAGGOT
>>92005763Chinese
>>92004195a message she didn't interact with or acknowledge at all, It's clear uki literally just posted that to cause shit for gigi because she is a bigger creator than he is now (he was probably the one posting the bait threads about it /here/ too for that matter)
>>92005319No one wants to bootlick a corporate pig their entire life either but what does that have to do with getting triggered over Happy Holidays?
>>91999510What is the purpose of a holiday greeting if not to apply to the person you are saying it to? Part of why there's the stereotype of "bah humbug" people is because of the presumption that they should be celebrating Christmas (or the assumption that they get all the days off and have all the family to gather with that you do). It's genuinely retarded when you are speaking to thousands of people, most of whom are not in one region of the world, to assume they all celebrate whatever random holiday you do. At least Japanese members know their audience is local to them, so they can share more in cultural specifics (although they rarely do reference any actual public holidays, they tend to focus on the fake holidays like Twin Day, Zodiac years or KFC Christmas).
>>91987954Gigi is Jewish. It's been proved before.
>>92004195he was completely ignored, uki tried to shill after probably learning she followed her on her PL.are you the same uki-fauna shizo?
>>92011812*him, my fat fucking greasy fingers slipped on that shit
>Chink raised in LAImagine my shockMerry Christmas, fucking libtard commie faggots.
>>92008760settle down paki
>>91987954you got mad over some political bullshit instead of her infecting holo with League of Legends? Your fucking priorities, faggot, your fucking priorities
>>91987954Deport the whorseBack to V4
>>92004195wait does that mean Gura is fucking Sykkuno and Asmongold since they tweeted at her once and got ignored?
>>91999374ThisWhy are people mad again?
>>92018807Because fundamentalist christian snowflakes fly in a shitfit each time rest of the world doesn't bow down to them and follow their made-up rules. That's all there is to it.
>>91999374>Happy Holidays isn't a rejection of or an attack on Christmas.It literally is>It is a catch all statement that includes Christmas, Hannakah, New Years, Quanza, whatever other pagan celebreations people are celebrating nowadays...If you live in Europe or a Euro descendent country the only thing people have been saying in these countries for hundreds if not over 1000 years is Merry Christmas. It is an active choice to not say Merry Christmas and to say something else to include foreign traditions in where they don't belong. You live in a Christian country, adopt Christian customs or fuck off.
>>92019887>It's a WAR ON CHRISTMAS. fuck, man. I was going to say that as a joke and here you are saying it unironically first.
>>92020024Because it is? You don't get to say a legitimate point in a funny way and then pretend it's not legitimate because you said it in a funny way.
>>92020138Happy Holidays, bud. I hope you get the therapy you so desperately need.
>>92019887>to include foreign traditionsno, it's to exclude all of them, including christianity. it's either yule or holiday, fuck desert religions
>>92020138What do you mean legitimate? Did your favorite news outlet convince you people are trying to ban Christmas?That's very cute.I just say Happy Holidays because I count New Years too not because of other religions, but seeing someone so triggered over something this stupid is really funny.
>>91987954But does Mori CONSENT to a Happy Holiday? We all know you need CONSENT after all.
>>92020321I don't watch the news. Not everybody who has opinions you dislike is the alt-right conservative boogeyman you've made up in your head
>>92019887>to include foreign traditions in where they don't belong.Christianity is a foreign religion that doesn't belong. Go back to Italy.
>>92020138Wait till the retards notice that the soulful Christmas merch we got last year from HoloEN has been replaced with lame "holidays" merch.
>>92020393Why does she constantly blabber on about consent all the fucking time like a mindless NPC anyway?
>>92020437>>92020289Christianity is so intertwined with European pagan traditions since the Early Church was obsessed with syncretism it's not foreign, it's the modern successor and unifier of all pagan traditionsIf Christianity in Europe looked like Nestorianism, sure, but it doesn't. Catholicism and Protestantism especially are uniquely European.
>>92020432You may have missed it, but you still didn't answer the question, honey.I don't care what political leaning you got.
>>92020554>I don't care what political leaning>>immediately tried to imply that news media organisations control my thoughtsI'm not answering your questions when you're just operating in bad faith
>>92020594If the projecting was more obvious it would probably slap me in the face.I wonder who's made up a boogeyman in their head? :)You do you, friend.
>>92020708>Did your favorite news outlet convince you people are trying to ban Christmas?>That's very cute.>I wonder who's made up a boogeyman in their head? :)Do you have anything better to do than to pretend to be retarded on the internet?
>>92018563Close, try another e-celeb
>>91987954Is this the most political a holoEN has been so far?
>>92020780Gura is fucking Belle Delphine?!
>>92020807There's nothing political about this, this is a standard holiday greeting in the US
>>92020858there is nothing political about it, this is the taiwan situation but instead of the chinese being triggered it's these weirdos
>>91991852Unironically back in the 50s you could ruin someone's life just by implying they were a no good Red Commie. Really says enough about its usage today when you think about it.
>>92011812>Uki tried to shill after probably learning she followed her on her PLOh she did more than just that, but don't worry I'm sure they don't interact anymore, clean slate and all that.
>>91987954This is the same shit that's happening with Columbus Day. First they'll try to rename it, and then they'll try to get rid of it altogether because it doesn't fit their moral standards, and erase all the celebration of a certain culture. Christmas is outright outlawed in communist countries, fuck commies, never let them take anything.
>>92021306yeah this days you replace commie with leftist prove that humanity is and will always be scum and will never find salvation including this so called christians
>>92021672Based
https://x.com/gigimurin/status/1870745030157345040Well, there goes that
>>92021672Sucks because we had Christmas merch as late as last year, now we are at the point the girls are scared to even say Christmas on an official channel stream and IRyS had to apologize for saying it accidently.
This fucking thread, manYou're all so fucking stupid
People in my country still say merry christmas and happy new year
>>92001798>>92000209>>92000124>>91999510>>92005018Happy holidays, faggot. Christmas and New Years are holidays, there is nothing with collectively saying "Happy Holidays".While we're at it:Compliments of the Season,Seasons Greetings,Thats two other greetongs ypu can ALSO say. And while we're at it, since I know you're of /pol/ posers: do you know Christmas is 12 days and not just one? Most churches recognize January 5th as 12th Night, aka the Last Day of Christmas. So yes, you can say Merry Christmas AFTER the 25th of December. AS WELL as Happy Holidays, Happy New Year and Seasons Greetings.Tl;dr Merry Christmas, Seasons Greetings, Compliments of the Season, Happy Holidays and Happy SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>>92022492Except one of those specifically is used to counter Christmas and is specifically encouraged by organisations to be inclusive as to not alienate any possible consumers. Saying Happy Holidays is literally just consumerist corpo speak so they can sell more shit to more people and we take one extra step into literally every single possible thing in our lives being stripped from us, sanitised and then sold back to us until we are all unthinking, unfeeling perfect consumers who had no identity outside of the products we consume.
Wtf is the point of this thread? 90% is just retards arguing about a pointless "happy holidays vs happy christmas" topic.
>>92022492You do understand that people have a negative reaction towards Happy Holidays because people deliberately used it to supress saying Merry Christmas, right? People did use Happy Holidays to be equivalent and nobody had a problem, until leftists began to enforce it for their own agenda because they specifically wanted to remove the word Christmas because of it's more conservative religious and Euro-centric connotations. People are only reacting because it was leftists who fired the first shot, otherwise, nobody would give a shit
>>91987954Permabanning Americans from the internet might be just as, if not more, beneficial as permaing SEA.
>>92023009>>92023135You're being purposefully retarded. Happy Holidays, and Trump won.
>>92023172>literal zero counter-argument
>>92023148Americans being obnoxious and complete morons is a stereotype for a reason
>>92023172Thank God he won, so you butthurt sissies can go fuck yourselves when he says that America won't give in to your leftist self-shaming and anti-european agenda.
>>92023148>permabanning the ones who invented and constructed the internet plus the imageboard you're using Fuck outta here to your government owned shack, declining Eurocuck. Keep on dreaming.
>>91987954it's because Mori is a muslim, no need to be disrespectful
>>92023801>Bitch thinks they are the ones who invented the internetYou live in the shadows of the actual americans who did that way before your parents fucked and shit you out.Why do you speak for them?
>>91987954>CHRISTMASIt's Yule dumb fuck
Her lesbobaiting is getting tiresome
>this is unironically how nijisisters would act if someone uttered the word Christmas>the livers would also unironically give in and apologize just how Microsoft did to this
>>92023656>He thinks Trump is going to be the one making the policies.
>>92003550Protip: Jesus was likely born around March/April>The Roman holiday celebrated on December 25th was Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, which translates to "birthday of the Invincible Sun". The festival was instituted by emperor Aurelian in 274 AD. It was celebrated on the winter solstice, which was the traditional date for this holiday in the Roman Empire. The festival marked the rebirth of Sol Invictus, the sun god, and the return of longer days after the winter solstice. Celebrations included chariot races. The festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti was celebrated after the popular Roman festival of Saturnalia, which took place in mid-winter. Saturnalia was a time of feasting, drinking, dancing, games, and gift-giving. People decorated their homes with greenery and wore colorful clothes called synthesis instead of their traditional togas. As the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, the festivities changed. Christ's birthday was commemorated on January 6th from AD 336 until AD 354–60, when it was first celebrated on December 25th. Over time, parts of these different winter festivals were combined to create the celebration of Christmas Day.
>>91987954only American boomers care about the "war on Christmas"
>>92024319So basically, erasing Christmas would also be erasing pagan traditions in today's age. Don't see why even them should support it, there's nothing lefties hate more than European cultures and celebrations.
>>92021672Columbus was a rapist and a slave trader. Why would you want to celebrate someone like that?>inb4 bAsEd
>>91987954>Celebrating Jew-on-a-stick-dayHappy yule da fister
>>92024553People forhrt that Columbus was an Italisn American invention. Italian Americans wanted to commemorate an Italisn American hero and do pushed Columbus as the discoverer of America. Nevermind the fact that the Vikings knew of Vinland way before Columbus, or that Columbus thought he reached India.
>>92023801Operation Paperclip.
>THEY ARE TAKING CHRISTMAS AWAY FROM USBoomers have been saying this for 20 years you fucking morons.
>>92024553In his time, slavery and conquest were the norm, not some unique evil he invented, plus the "rapist and slave trader" claims are mostly exaggerated and based on sketchy sources pushed by modern revisionists. His discoveries literally changed the course of history, linking two different worlds for the first time. Nowadays he's a major symbol for Italian-Americans, who struggled immensely in the early US and needed a hero, the holiday is basically considered a day of celebration and pride for all of the italian-americans and their culture. If you want to take that away, you can fuck right off.
Christmas is in January, you heretical fucks.
>>91987954Mori celebrates Kwanzaa
>>92024791And they are. We do actively see people try to remove Christian imagery, language and symbolism from a Christian holiday and trying to recontextualize it as a brand safe holiday period free from problematic European identity or conservative religions
>>92018807Rightoids will mock lefties for being snowflakes and then turn around and get offended over innocuous shit like this.>>92019887Jesus is a Jew from the Middle East and Christmas was co-opted from the pagan holiday of Sol Invictus. The only thing "Christian" about the holiday is it's name.
>>92023135this is happening again now with games, where leftists are accusing everyone else of "wanting to censor games" whenever their DEI nonsense is rejected. i don't think they could stop being this disingenuous and gross even if they wanted to
>>92024553https://youtu.be/jBD61skoMk8?si=YT3QCGBoIf0vmzc9
>>92025051I don't really understand your point.>The only thing "Christian" about the holiday is it's name.It's about a continued cultural legacy and not allowing foreign cultures to interrupt or co-opt that.
>>92024920>In his time, slavery and conquest were the norm, not some unique evil he inventedThat doesn't make it okay.>the "rapist and slave trader" claims are mostly exaggerated and based on sketchy sources pushed by modern revisionistsRetard. Those claims come from his own journal.>His discoveries literally changed the course of history, linking two different worlds for the first timeHe didn't even discover America lmao. He thought he had landed in Asia. His navigator Amerigo Vespucci was the one to correctly conclude that they had discovered new land, which was incidentally incorrect as the Vikings had reach America long before Columbus did. And if you're talking about linking Europe with the rest of the world, the credit for that already goes to Magellan (who was also a piece of shit).>the holiday is basically considered a day of celebration and pride for all of the italian-americans and their cultureFuck off, wop.
>it's another conservatives complain about everything thread
>>92025244>It's about a continued cultural legacy and not allowing foreign cultures to interrupt or co-opt thatWhoa I thought the meaning of Christmas was charity or celebrating the birth of Christ or some shit like that. No one told me it was about fighting the culture war.
>>92000436It's on the other side of the wall.
>>92024920>slavery and conquest were the norm, not some unique evil he invented,Yes and no. It's not as detestable as it now, but Colombus was specifically ordered by the King and Queen of Castile to not mistreat the natives and they imprisoned him when he arrived back when they found out what he had done.>His discoveries literally changed the course of history, linking two different worlds for the first time.He didn't discover anything though, he thought he had found India, a continent people already knew existed. He thought the Earth was a lot smaller than it was and thus thought his provisions could actually last him the entire time to get to India. People knew he was wrong at the time. The only reason Columbus didn't just die out at sea is because there happened to be a continent that he never anticipated that saved him and his crew. Columbus' voyage was an important event, Columbus as a person is relatively unimportant >If you want to take that away, you can fuck right off.Pick a better guy then? Not like Italy is lacking in famous historical figures
>>91987954didn't the official holo en channel have a "happy holodays" stream or something kekit's over, cover is westernized
>>92025334For some sure, but for a metric fuck ton of people, most celebrate Christmas because of the cultural legacy and connection to tradition which is very important for identity. It is not a coincidence that Christmas is under attack when Christmas is most commonly associated with and celebrated by European people and European people as an identity group have also been under attack since the invention of Post-modernist philosophy
>>92025311>it's another leftists try and change shit for no reason other than their personal politics thread
>>92025300Make up your mind if you want to be a self-loathing and self-hating leftist who believes they're a bastion of morality while being fed narratives, or if you want to be a careless dickhead who doesn't give a shit about people and American culture, braindead retard.
>>92019887>>92025244>>92025481Acknowledging other yuletide celebrations with a catch-all term is not an attack on Christmas lmao
>>92025603>American cultureNo such thing
>>92025603You're the one swallowing the narrative that Columbus Day is about celebrating italian culture rather than whitewashing the crimes committed by one of America's "heroes."
Conservatives are defending cuckmas when they should be defending the sol invictus.They are choosing judaism instead of an eurocentric day
>>92025657Making an active choice not to specifically acknowledge the cultural significance of the primary traditions of the foundational culture which created the modern state, societal apparatus, culture, values and morals you live in today and to dilute that tradition by adding in other traditions, yes that is an attack. That is a deliberate action taken to weaken that traditional societal influence. If you disagree with that idea, why do you care about acknowledging other traditions that have no relevancy to society?
>>92025603First of all, Italian-Americans are not people. Secondly, acknowledging the past does not make me a self-loathing and self-hating leftist. Acknowledging that Columbus was an evil man does not mean I disregard other American traditions like Independence Day or Halloween.
>>92025804Why are yanks like this?
>>92025795Take your bad faith argument elsewhere retard
>>92023135>people have a negative reactionNo, just you and other turbo retards who are caught up on culture war shit, and for that I will continue to say it because you get so ass blasted about it, faggot.
>>92025838>no argumentAlso, I'm not even American
>>92025804>why do you care about acknowledging other traditions that have no relevancy to societyThis is all you needed to have said. Retarded Americans (if you even are one) who think that they alone exist within the center of the universe.
>>92025849Not an argument, libtard. Use logic next time
>>92025857Don't start a culture war if you don't want to finish a culture war then. People who like Christmas had no problems with Happy Holidays until people started enforcing it over Merry Christmas.
>>92025923>people started enforcing it over Merry Christmas.Literally nobody does this.
>>92025914>you should converse with me even though I immediately strawmanned youlol
>>91991519Christian supremacists are booty blasted by the fact that their corporate consumer holiday has to share its space with a bunch of other holidays.
>>92025906Explain to me in great detail what other cultural traditions have relevance in any European descendent country today that should be recognised for their contributions to be on par with the single most important holiday of the year?
>>92025923>until people started enforcing it over Merry ChristmasWho put a gun to your head and forced you to say Happy Holidays?
>>92025923Who the fuck is "enforcing" it? Go outside for 10 seconds, no one gives a shit outside of seething old women with "Keep Christ in Christmas" bumper stickers and literal mouth breathing retards like you.You fucking idiots "started" this culture war, and don't try to shift the goalpost now. You're the only ones getting bent out of shape over a single word, literally go to a doctor to get your autism checked.
>>92025050Do you go to Church?
>>92025957A quick google search will tell you otherwisehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/12/21/please-dont-wish-me-merry-christmas/https://jenniferdukeslee.com/real-problem-saying-merry-christmas/https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/columnist/editors-note/377934/why-did-we-replace-merry-christmas-with-happy-holidays/https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/merry-christmas-still-the-favourite-holiday-greeting-in-canada-poll
>someone's blog>jewish journal>a literal poll saying canadians say "merry christmas" in complete antithesis to what you claim
>>92025804Post skintone, passport, and timestamp right now. I'll laugh my ass off the guy getting booty blasted over le west has fallen isn't even a Euro.
>>92025594>its another conservatives demand everyone follows their way of thinking thread>>92025050All of the shops in Singapore have "Merry Christmas". Do I expect them to sell Christian crosses during this period too? Because thats exactly what you are suggesting.
>>92025997>enforcement can only be done through threat of violence>>92026013Anon discovers there's actually more to enforcement of accepted norms than just the government telling you what you are allowed to do, almost like cancel culture exists and things that you do and say that aren't illegal can still be enforced upon you through societal and economic coercion>You fucking idiots "started" this culture war,This is just patently untrue, most right wingers are reactionary.>ou're the only ones getting bent out of shape over a single word, Stop trying to enforce that word over any other word and we don't have an issue
>>92026049>washington post>jewish journalNice cherrypicking. How about picking your rightoid news sites that are foaming at the mouth about the war on Christmas?
>>92026104>literally nobody>>shows literally somebody>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!>>92026126>>its another conservatives demand everyone follows their way of thinking threadFollow whatever thinking you want, stop trying to societally enforce your bullshit>Do I expect them to sell Christian crosses during this period too? Because thats exactly what you are suggesting.Is Singapore a western Christian nation?
>>92026153>>92026110Post it, Christmas trooper.
>>92026104You forgot>WaPo opinion piece from some nobody
>>92026203Sorry, opinion pieces and blogs are not "enforcement".
>>92026187It wasn't even cherry picked, I literally just googled Happy Holidays vs Merry Christmas and picked 4 articles at random, I can post a fuck ton more if you want>How about picking your rightoid news sites that are foaming at the mouth about the war on Christmas?What does this prove? Yes rightoids think the left is trying to dilute christmas, because they are?
Mori RUINED Christmas!
>>92026246>people's opinions and treatment of other people based on those opinions do not constitute any sort of enforcementokay, define enforcement, do you think saying nigger at your job is enforced?
>>92025300>That doesn’t make it okay.No one’s saying it’s "okay" by today’s standards, just that judging a 15th-century explorer by modern morality is incredibly retarded, even for your tiny brain. >Those claims come from his own journal.His journal doesn’t say what you think it says, once again you're being spoonfed leftist revisionism. Most of the "rapist/slave trader" stuff is either misrepresented or taken out of context. For example, the parts describing atrocities were often reports to the Crown about other people’s actions, not mentions of his direct involvement.>He didn’t even discover America lmao.This meme needs to die. No one’s arguing he "discovered" America in the sense of being the first person ever there. What he did was indirectly/directly establish the lasting connection between Europe and the Americas. Without Columbus, no Vespucci, no widespread exploration, no permanent link between the continents (unless it were up to someone else). >Magellan deserves the credit.Magellan’s circumnavigation was important, sure, but it came decades after Columbus opened the door to the New World. You can’t give Magellan credit for linking worlds when Columbus made it possible in the first place, dumbass. Discrediting Columbus just to feel morally superior is weak, and you should feel bad for gobbling up all this propaganda without questioning it like a good goy.
>>92026110>>92026206He won't do it because he doesn't want to be outed as a Filipino kek
>>92026153The cancel culture argument is retarded. You have the freedom of speech to say Merry Christmas. You're also not obligated to say it, you can just say Happy Holidays.And besides, Christian, have you gone to Mass yet? Have you donated to the poor? Have you done the least bit of charity? If you REALLY cared about Christ in Christmas you would be doing almsgiving. Or have you forgotten that Our Lord was born in a stinking manger, surrounded by animal feces?
>>92026259>I can post more trash from bots and wannabe writersI'm sure you can
Oh Gigi. Look at what you've done.
>>91987954GG is all like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH2uGJyXHiA
>>92026307>the parts describing atrocities were often reports to the Crown about other people’s actions, not mentions of his direct involvementNTA but he was the leader of the fucking expedition so all these atrocities committed by "other people" were done under his purview. His own king definitely thought so cause he got his ass locked up as soon as he returned home. Also it's not just his journal, the journals of other crewmates were used to corroborate these facts.
>>92026320I am aware of my freedoms. I'm not talking about a threat to my personal freedoms.>And besides, Christian, have you gone to Mass yet? Have you donated to the poor? Have you done the least bit of charity? If you REALLY cared about Christ in Christmas you would be doing almsgiving.I'm not a Christian, so this argument is bunk, if you think that Christmas, as well as Christianity as a whole isn't a worthwhile as a moral/cultural institution to uphold, what do you suggest replaces it? You don't get to remove something you find is a problem without offering a solution. Because you absolutely do need a moral framework to run society and the alternatives the left have provided don't seem very compelling
>>92026259It proves bias. They state what you want to hear, just as you cherrypick the arguments you want to believe. Anyone can tell you the contrary, and you'll still argue like a raging lunatic.In fact, and you know what, lets make it simple. Are you (a) a Creationist or (b) a Flat Earther? Because if you are either one or even both of those, than we are wasting our time. There is no convincing the likes of you.
>>92026404>I'm not a ChristianHAHAHAHA a fucking Indo has been making these pro-Christmas posts all along. No wonder you didn't want to out yourself with a timestamp.
>>92026356>literally nobody>>shows literally somebody>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!>>92026416What bias? The people I am accusing of hating Christmas are stating that they hate Christmas. I don't understand what sort of bias I have that makes them not hate Christmas or is causing a misunderstanding. Just stating I have a bias, which yes, I am human, I have a bias, but how does that change what the people I am accusing of trying to remove Merry Christmas, saying that they are trying to remove Merry Christmas?>In fact, and you know what, lets make it simple. Are you (a) a Creationist or (b) a Flat Earther?Neither, I'm not a Christian or even religious. I believe in evolution, the Earth is a spheroid
>>92026404>I'm not talking about a threat to my personal freedoms.If it's not a threat to your personal freedom, how is it a threat to anyone else's?
>>92026203>Follow whatever thinking you want, stop trying to societally enforce your bullshitTell that to the conservatives in MY country then.>Is Singapore a western Christian nation?No, but it is a conservative country. The government is by definition centre-right.THAT aside, you've been arguing for "say Merry Christmas" like as though every poster on this site is American or from a western Christian nation. We're not, as you can tell by all the SEA Nijisters and Phasepags. But even that aside, I can tell you an Asian country like Singapore with a 70% Chinese population says Merry Christmas :"everywhere". No one kicks up a fuss about it. Its the same in Japan, and that country is even more of an ethnostate. The problem is that you're complaing about lefties IN AMERICA. America isn't the world, and you sound like a lunatic complaining as though everyone has your problem.
>>92026520I never said it was?
> stole pagan festival and plastered their fake "god" all over it> getting mad now that solstice and the other original festivals are being celebrated againrorurumaokeep crying
>>92026404>I'm not a ChristianWhy the FUCK are you larping as a Christian then? I'm a Christian, and I am perfectly fine with saying "Happy Holidays" as well as "Merry Christmas". I don't need retards like you defending my religion like as though I'm some minority.
>>92024450not like the ramshackle Julian calendar is gonna be around forever
>>92026531>Tell that to the conservatives in MY country then.I don't care about the conservatives in your country? I'm not them, I don't give a shit I'm not even a conservative, I'm a centrist>NoCool, I don't care about Singapore then>THAT aside, you've been arguing for "say Merry Christmas" like as though every poster on this site is American or from a western Christian nationOkay, I don't care about them then? I have made it extremely clear where my concern lays. Other countries outside of the west can do whatever the fuck you like, you run your cultures as you see fit.>No one kicks up a fuss about itAgain, I don't care?>? Its the same in Japan, and that country is even more of an ethnostateAgain, I don't care?>he problem is that you're complaing about lefties IN AMERICA. America isn't the world, and you sound like a lunatic complaining as though everyone has your problem.No I'm complaining about leftism in every Westernised European nation
>>92026541If you're still free to say Merry Christmas, everyone is free to say Merry Christmas, so there is no removal of Merry Christmas or enforcement of Happy Holidays.
>>92026596I'm not larping as a Christian, I never said I was a Christian or even thought that modern religion was good.>I don't need retards like you defending my religion like as though I'm some minority.I'm not defending your fucking religion, learn to separate the cultural and moral institution from the religious one
>>92025818How ironic, here I shall reward you for being a good goy with a (You).
>>92026509The bias you have is that you're right-wing, and you're pushing a right wing conspiracy theory that there is a "war on Christmas". On the bright side you're not retarded enough to be a Creationist or a Flat Earther, but usually the people who DO push "war on Christmas" narratives are Creationis and Flat Earthers. That is, they are usually Christian nationalists with a specific agenda to push. But since you're not a Christian I've deduced that you're possibly a pol/ aligned alt-right troll. A shame, and it sounds like you need Jesus
>>92026662>so there is no removal of Merry Christmas or enforcement of Happy Holidays.Yes there is, plenty of politicians and large corporations beg to differ since they feel that Merry Christmas is exclusionary
>>92026621>my whole personality is "i hate leftists"Mindbroken.
>>92026672Are you Jewish then? Only Christian Euros have any right to discuss Christmas traditions seeing as we came up with them. Anyone else is just a hanger-on for the commercialized holiday.
>>92026621You're a pretty shit centrist. And I say that as a centrist myself.
>>92026709>they feel that Merry Christmas is exclusionaryI mean, it is?
>>92026683>The bias you have is that you're right-wing, and you're pushing a right wing conspiracy theory that there is a "war on Christmas"How is it a conspiracy when I just managed to, at complete random within a few seconds, pull up multiple articles from different sources who all corroborate the idea that there is an active push away from Merry Christmas because of political reasons? What defines a conspiracy to you?>but usually the people who DO push "war on Christmas" narratives are Creationis and Flat Earthers.No that's your own bias now coming out>hat is, they are usually Christian nationalists with a specific agenda to push.No most people, as proven by the election of Trump, just don't talk about this stuff because they fear societal enforcement against them despite a very large contingent agreeing>But since you're not a Christian I've deduced that you're possibly a pol/ aligned alt-right trollNow you are actually a conspiracy theorist and are just burying your head in the sand and refusing to engage in earnest discussion and the way you do that is to write me off in bad faith
>>92026621America is not a Westernised European nation. Unless you are complaining as a Euro. Post feet and timestamp.
>>92026729Wait til you learn, I fucking hate lefties and righties because I think they're both fucking retarded and need to be shot>>92026744>Only Christian Euros have any right to discuss Christmas traditions seeing as we came up with them.No you didn't, Europeans came up with them, the Church syncretised with many, many local traditions and beliefs to form the modern Church celebrations. It's also the reason that before the printing press and before the Bible was read into local languages that a lot of ancient folk beliefs just co-existed alongside and even within local Christian teachings
>>92026827>multiple articles from different sourcesYou do know sources have to be reliable?
>>92026750No you're just a pussyfooting faggot fence sitter, not a centrist>>92026785Yes, and? Western countries should be for westerners, we deserve a home like everyone else. If you want to feel at home, go back to your own country where your own traditions are practiced
>>92026580found the larper
>>91987954A friend of mine put it well, I think. If someone says “happy holidays” first, then there’s no problem. It’s said because they don’t want to assume which seasonal holiday someone is celebrating. It’s a little cringe, perhaps, but there’s no malice to it.If, however, you say “merry Christmas,” and then the other person replies with “happy holidays,” THAT’S when you know to read in malice to the phrase. You’ve given a clear indication that you celebrate Christmas, so the other person has no reason to say “happy holidays” if their goal is simply to be considerate. At that point, the use of the phrase is clearly meant to spite Christmas or Christians or the west as a whole, because it’s a pointed refusal to say “merry Christmas.”
>>92026901post skintone, passport, timestamp, AND your religion right now.>>92026949You're not even a westerner. You're either a jew or non-white.
This "debate me" SEA nerd is still going.
>>92026857>is not a Westernised European nationIt literally is>>92026945Sure, tell me why they're not reliable as a microcosm of mainstream political thought and mainstream opinion.
>>92026827>pull up multiple articlesCherrypicked. Again, a strawman argument.>No that's your own bias now coming outYes, because I'm bias against Christian nationalists, who usually are the types to silence people when theya re given the chance.>proven by the election of TrumpSo are you an American or larping as one? Or do you believe America is a "westernised European nation", even though it isn't in Europe>write (you) off in bad faithI am doing that because you are arguing in bad faith. Just to bring it around to OP's faggotry post, Gigi is not obliged to say Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays is as valid as Merry Christmas. Hololive is not an American company, its a Japanese company, and she posted the greeting on twitter, which is a fairly international platform. All your arguing has been mostly off-topic and not connected to the original post. Unless you're not the OP, which means you are arguing for a /pol/itical point and thus are arguing in bad faith.
>>92026959What if they simply don't celebrate Christmas?
>>92026978No, I'm anglo-saxon/Northern French with a random German jew from the 1800s thrown in there
>>92027004>Cherrypicked. Again, a strawman argument.Selection at random isn't cherrypicked>Yes, because I'm bias against Christian nationalists, who usually are the types to silence people when theya re given the chance.So, you want to silence christian nationalist when given the opportunity because they will silence you given the opportunity, sounds like you're just as bad as each other and you have no moral highground.>So are you an American or larping as one? Or do you believe America is a "westernised European nation", even though it isn't in EuropeDo you think that Euopean means within the imagined continental bounds of Europe (Europe as a geographic idea doesn't actually have any geological basis) or do you think that European is a cultural sphere?
>>92026984>It literally isHere's a world map. Tell me, very clearly, where the United State its located. And while we're at it, state where Canada, Mexico and Brazil are located on this map. Especially Mexico and Brazil, because I suspect your line of thought would also theoretically apply to Brazil and Mexico.
>>92027020>Fr*nchOpinion discarded.
>>92027020Right, well then you won't be embarrassed if you posted those things that I asked for. Just for verification, you understand.Also what kind of "anglo-saxon/Northern French with a random German jew from the 1800s thrown in there" isn't dome denomination of Christian. You're really outing yourself as a larper.
>>92027004>I am doing that because you are arguing in bad faithBased on? You're just writing me off because you don't like me, not because you've actually said anything that would prove me wrong.>Hololive is not an American company, its a Japanese company, and she posted the greeting on twitter, which is a fairly international platform.She streams in English to an English speaking, primarily American audience
>>92027006Returning the phrase is the polite thing to do. At the very least a “to you too!” is enough, if you aren’t comfortable saying the words themselves. I’ve pulled that strategy when someone said “a pleasant Hanukkah to you!” even though I’m really not that fond of Jewish culture
>>92026949>pussyfooting faggot fence sitterRetard that IS a centrist. Centrists are famous for sitting on the fence, RETARD.
>>92027098I would like for you to explain to where Europe is and tell me why>Especially Mexico and Brazil, because I suspect your line of thought would also theoretically apply to Brazil and Mexico.Yes they are European nations, absolutelyUnless you want to pretend that the USA is a native american nation state?
>>92027098Your map uses incorrect scale, anon
>>92027105>well then you won't be embarrassed if you posted those things that I asked for.No I wouldn't be, I just don't give a shit>isn't dome denomination of Christiannever said I was Christian
>>92027211Don't want to be outed as a larping Filipino now do we?>never said I was ChristianI know. I was remarking that its very rare to find someone of your descent being a non-christian. Are you possibly ESL as well?
>>92027152Hitler is technically a centrist retardHe's right wing because>militaristic>nationalist>industrialistHe's left wing because>Large social spending>Equitable societal goals>uses government regulation for things like animal rights and public health concerns
>>92027293>I was remarking that its very rare to find someone of your descent being a non-christianYou think it's remarkable to find a white person who isn't a practicing christian?
>>92001798Says the one believing in a more powerful Santa Claus living in the sky
>>92027077>Selection at random isn't cherrypickedEveryone uses a search engine. Google itself is patterned on algorithms. Even your method for picking sources isn't random. Bias can apply to how you come up with a theory - nothing is ever truly impartial and subjective.>you want to silence christian nationalistI'm not the one pushing for Creationism in the classroom and Flat Earth in the classroom. Because thats what they want if you haven't realized>Do you think Euopean means within the continental bounds of EuropeFtfy. And yes. Because if you're going to claim the USA is Western European, you might as well include Mexico and Brazil. Especially Brazil, because Brazil had a literally Portugese ruler during the 19th century.
>>92025730It IS about Italian-American culture—go ask the people who fought to make it a holiday. Late 19th/early 20th century, Italian immigrants (and other European immigrants in general too) were treated like trash in the U.S. Columbus became a symbol for them to push back, showing that they had a place in American history.It’s not "whitewashing"; it’s recognizing that historical figures are complex. No one’s celebrating atrocities, but focusing only on the worst aspects of his era while ignoring the broader context of what his exploration accomplished and his cultural impact is just lazy moral grandstanding.
>>92027345An angelo-saxon that isn't categorically christian? Yes. You don't have to be actively practicing to be a christian. I haven't attended mass in 5 years and I'm still a christian.
>>92027122>primarily American audienceAn English speaking audience does include but is not only an American audience. Would you suggest ERB caters to a British audience simply because she has a British accent and mannerisms? As a Singaporean I watch Hololive, and we don't think of Hololive English as American entertainers. Hell, Kiara is Austrian, and a lot of the talent is now based in Japan. Why should EN's talents follow American norms when their audience is not entirely American?
>>92027371>Everyone uses a search engine. Google itself is patterned on algorithms. Even your method for picking sources isn't random. Bias can apply to how you come up with a theory - nothing is ever truly impartial and subjective.Okay then why bring up the point at all if you think it's moot? Just ignore it and move on.>I'm not the one pushing for Creationism in the classroom and Flat Earth in the classroomAnd your ilk is pushing for sex education to pre-schoolers. I can criticise both because I hate you both.Kek, I like how you removed the word 'imagined' from your quote of me because you don't want to have the discussion that Europe isn't an actual geological region, it doesn't exist. Europe exists as a form of cultural identity. It's why Armenia and Gerogia, that whilst technically not even on the classically considered European 'continent', are still European.>you might as well include Mexico and Brazil.I do consider them western european?
>>92027418>An angelo-saxon that isn't categorically christian?Have you been to England or America in the last 50 years? Majority of Americans are from Anglo-Saxon descent, if you want to pretend that there isn't a substantial athiest population amongst them, I don't want to tell you. England is one of the most athiestic countries in the world, throw Australia and NZ in there for good measure too, it's not uncommon by any stretch
>>92027174>Yes they are European nations, absolutelyGlad to see you're consistent. I for one would like to support more immigration of Brazilians and Mexicans into the United States. They are, after all, European nations.
>>92027371Based Dom Pedro ll.
>>92027518>English speaking audience does include but is not only an American audience.Cool, that's not what I said so I don't know why you're telling me this>Would you suggest ERB caters to a British audience simply because she has a British accent and mannerisms? Yes?>As a Singaporean I watch Hololive, and we don't think of Hololive English as American entertainers. I don't care? What you think or feel doesn't matter because the actual reality is the vast majority of English speaking Holos are watched by Americans, if not Americans, it will be countries culturally close to America like Canada, Britain, Australia, etc.> Hell, Kiara is Austrian, and a lot of the talent is now based in JapanAnd?> Why should EN's talents follow American norms when their audience is not entirely American?Because they have a primarily American audience, like I said.
>>92027584Atheists don't count, retard. What, do you put N/A down on official documents when they ask your faith?
>>92027592And now you're just going off on random tangents, I don't think they're good countries just because they're Western European, you have a very 1 dimensional view
>>92026683>The bias you have is that you're right-wingHold up, did you just forget what website you're on? this isn't your leddit.
>>92027662Yes? Are you fucking stupid? I don't have a faith, my family hasn't had a faith for about 6 generations. Why would I lie on an official form? My faith is not applicable, so I put N/A
>>92027521>Okay then why bring up the point at all if you think it's moot? Just ignore it and move on.No, I have to bring it up because you're not as impartial as you think you are. Your random selection is not even random.>And your ilk is pushing for sex education to pre-schoolers. I can criticise both because I hate you both.Ah, so this is the centrism you're talking about. Can we at least both agree that Creationism and Flat Earth has no place in the classroom? And yes, I'm inclined to agree that sex education shouldn't be taught to preschoolers, but I'm far more worried about Creationism being taught to toddlers.>Europe isn't an actual geological regionYes, you are right. Its why Russia is Eurasian, Turkey is both Asian and European, and the Middle East is actually Asian. Its all imagined.But that doesn't change the fact that there is a HUGE body of water between the Americas and Eurasia. Hell, the US fought a war of independece to see themselves as "seperate" from the Old World. A reason why I made the distinction. Just because Whitey is a majority in the USA =/= make the US of A a European nation.
>>92027418>Christian Christians don't terminally browse 4chan posting derogatory terms left and right like you do. Christianity these days is a joke nothing but a shield that wicked people use to hide their realselves and to justify atrocities in the name of a sky wizard nobody has never met.
>>91991852> Where does this insult even come from?Not so different from "unicorn" or "incel" just a generic insult that radicals think hurts the "other side".
>>92027801Good Christians don't. They're too busy doing the Lord's work. But don't mistake that many "cultural" Christians do post here.
>>92027675I remember a time in 2008 when the average poster on 4chan was left-wing, atheist and was a big weeb. It was mostly this way until 2016, when certain people started showing up. We usually didn't have these Christmas arguments until they started showing up in 2016. Don't get me wrong - I hate reddit far more than you do, but I also know who were the real oldfags.
>>91992931>>91995787lmao this dude actually bumped the thread after 30 minutes of getting ignored HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>92027781>No, I have to bring it up because you're not as impartial as you think you are. Your random selection is not even random.I'm sorry I didn't engage in the rigorous scientific process over a debate on 4chan, please forgive me>Can we at least both agree that Creationism and Flat Earth has no place in the classroom?I think creationism and flat earth should be taught within the context of the history of how humans have understood the world in the past.> And yes, I'm inclined to agree that sex education shouldn't be taught to preschoolers, but I'm far more worried about Creationism being taught to toddlers.Vehemently disagree, a toddler thinking god made the earth is infinitely less evil than grooming children to rape them>But that doesn't change the fact that there is a HUGE body of water between the Americas and EurasiaAnd? You are describing geography without making a point.>Hell, the US fought a war of independece to see themselves as "seperate" from the Old WorldAnd? Doesn't make them not European. I don't give a shit what they think, an objective analysis of American culture shows it's inherently a European country>Just because Whitey is a majority in the USA =/= make the US of A a European nation.A European nation is required to be run by Europeans and with European institutions. The US is definitely a European nation. Geography has absolutely no play in what defines a modern European state, yes maybe previously in history it did, but it doesn't today.
>>92026401>He was the leader of the expedition...so all these atrocities were done under his purview.Yeah, he was the leader, but leadership in the 15th century wasn’t the same as micromanaging every action. You’re talking about a chaotic situation in a foreign land with people who didn’t exactly follow 21st-century HR guidelines. Not excusing it, but context matters. Leaders back then were often held accountable for their crew’s actions whether they were directly involved or not. It’s not unique to Columbus.>His own king definitely thought so cause he got his ass locked up as soon as he returned homeAnd then what? He was released, reinstated, and allowed to make another voyage. If Ferdinand and Isabella really thought he was some irredeemable monster, they wouldn’t have done that. The arrest was more about political intrigue and his failure to manage colonies effectively, not purely morality.
>>92027355You are on the naughty list this year
>>92027923>Anon discovers that online spaces are often contrarian for the sake of itWould it surprise you if many of the enlightened atheists of back then are actually the same devout Christians of now?
>>92027636>Yes?Retarded take. The majority of ERB's audience are FNAFags and le honse show watchers, many of which are Mutts.>AustraliaIs not close to America. Just because whitey is a majority in Australia =/= make it western European nation. Otherwise, you HAVE to include Singapore in your definition. Because Singapore was a crown colony of the British Empire, and thus was as relevant to the Empire as Australia was. Yes, thats right, I am saying Singapore is a Western European nation. By YOUR definition. And thus you SHOULD care. Because if you're going to count Australia, you might as well count Singapore.>Because they have a primarily American audience, like I said.I don't think you even known who is Irys and Fuwamoco's primary audience. And they are both EN.
>>92019887> If you live in Europe or a Euro descendent country the only thing people have been saying in these countries for hundreds if not over 1000 years is Merry ChristmasAnd 20-30,000 years before that they were celebrating solstice and other festivals that actually matched with the rotation of the celestial bodies rather than some chimeric calendar that has to literally invent a day every 4 years just to be somewhat accurate.Christians will obviously consider any acknowledgement of "pagan" stuff (and their destruction and absorption by Christianity) as an attack on them, but it doesn't have any moral ground or mobs behind their retardation anymore - barring a few isolated rural pockets.
>>92027923The average poster on 2008 didn't give a shit about politics and just wanted to meme and lulz.
>>92028105>The majority of ERB's audience are FNAFags and le honse show watchers, many of which are Mutts.I'd love for you to show me your actual evidence> Just because whitey is a majority in Australia =/= make it western European nationOkay, what is a westernised European nation and why?>Otherwise, you HAVE to include Singapore in your definition. Because Singapore was a crown colony of the British Empire, and thus was as relevant to the Empire as Australia was.Is Singapore run by Europeans with European institutions? No, it's not European then. If China colonised Ireland and turned it fundamentally Chinese, are the Chinese now just the Irish?>Yes, thats right, I am saying Singapore is a Western European nation. By YOUR definition.It's not my definition. The British Raj isn't a European nation either because it utilised local institutions for power, not European ones.>I don't think you even known who is Irys and Fuwamoco's primary audience. And they are both EN.they both do a substantial amount of JP streams>>92028125I swear you people just spout stuff without actually understand the implications of what is being said. It's an actual reading comprehension issue. I'm not even Christian
>this schizo is still going
Not wanting these cringe new "inclusive" terms isn't exclusive to just hardcore Christians. I think it's honestly cringe as fuck.
>>92024214It's pretty funny how right after the election Elon arranged a meeting with Alex Soros and 2 days later an ex-Soros guy became the fucking treasury secretary in charge of all the money.And murican continue to think their elections matter.
>>92027981>I think creationism and flat earth should be taught within the context of the history of how humans have understood the world in the past.I see that as a slippery slope. Christian nationalism wanted it taught as FACT. They want to hard push a view of the world as 4000 years old, aka young earth Creationism.>a toddler thinking god made the earth is infinitely less evil than grooming children to rape themIts not a matter of God making the Earth. The Catholic church also believes the Lord made the Earth but allows for evolution because it sees the Bible as spiritually true, not factually true. The problem with Chrstian nationalism is if it pushes views that impacts the sciences. It is the same as Galileo's research being discredited by the Church for political reasons, thus affecting scientific progress.And while we're on the topic of grooming, lets not pretend that the Catholic Church has not had a reputation for grooming children. Its why I disagree with your point as well.>run by Europeans and with European institutionsSo by your argument, are you saying Barrack Obama was a European? Are you saying Alberto Kenya Fujimori Inomoto was European? Are you saying Nintendo of America is a European institution? Because thats what your argument is tantamount to arguing for.And while we're at it - are you saying you believe Hololive's English branch is European? And I haven't gone into Brave Group's US and EU branches.
>>92028094Nah I wouldn't be surprised. I used to be a devout Christian back in the 00s but I've become a lot more agnostic. Everybody changes. It is a fact that the same populace that voted for Trump also voted for Obama.
>>92028094 (me)Well actually I’ll take part of this back. Yeah, it’s generally true, but also I think the world got to see what rampant atheistic leftism actually looked like in practice, and had a visceral “oh fuck go back” reaction.
why doesn't /pol/ stay in /pol/
>>92028488>I see that as a slippery slope.And that's a fallacy. The reality is creationism and flat earth are an integral part in understanding the human story to our modern understandings.>Christian nationalism wanted it taught as FACTOkay.>They want to hard push a view of the world as 4000 years old, aka young earth Creationism.Good for them. I don't care. Creationism and flat earth are historically part of our story as humans, denying that to children just to dunk on some christian retards is not what education is about.>Its not a matter of God making the Earth. The Catholic church also believes the Lord made the Earth but allows for evolution because it sees the Bible as spiritually true, not factually true. The problem with Chrstian nationalism is if it pushes views that impacts the sciences.Again, read above.>It is the same as Galileo's research being discredited by the Church for political reasons, thus affecting scientific progress.Galileo WASN'T discredited for political reasons, he was discredited because he posited his theory as fact when it hadn't been tested enough to prove it. I'm sure politics played a part, but if you read translations of his actual trial, the Church was mainly concerned with the part where he claimed his findings as truth without any other corroborating evidence. He wasn't being scientific. Also the Church wasn't as brutal as people think it was, Galileo, along with other astronomers, did retarded shit like horoscopes and astrology, which the Church ultimately didn't endorse, but didn't punish either.>So by your argument, are you saying Barrack Obama was a European?A singular leader (who's half white) within the bounds of a governmental institutional restrictions does not complete the definition of 'run by'. If he were a dictator, sure, but he the government is vastly run by Europeans at every level. Same deal with Inomoto. >Are you saying Nintendo of America is a European institution? Because thats what your argument is tantamount to arguing for.I have no idea what this question is. I'm not talking about physical institutions, I mean cultural and moral institutions like democracy, christianity, fairness, etc.>are you saying you believe Hololive's English branch is European? No? Are they run by Europeans? No, so it's not a European branch fundamentally.
>>92028272>I'd love for you to show me your actual evidenceProblem is that /vt/ has a policy against talking about past lives, as well as the global rule about mentioning le honse show outside of its containment board. Otherwise I would be happy to share with you what I know. You can also search for it on warosu.>Okay, what is a westernised European nation and why?I'm going by your definition>Is Singapore run by Europeans with European institutionsYes. By the same argument (you) made that Australia is a European country run with European institutions. Most of SIngapore's infrastructure was introduced by the British empire and maintained after it. Yes, it has long sought to define a postcolonial identity that is unique to itself, but many of its early leaders were European and/or European influenced/trained. Lee Kuan Yew himself went to a British university. Most ministers go to said European universities, with only a few claiming a local university as their point of study. And pic related is David Marshall. If you didn't know better, I would say he was a European man, running the show for a self governed SIngapore at the start.>The British Raj isn't a European nation either because it utilised local institutions for power, not European ones.And by that definition Singapore would be a lot more European. Even moreso than its neighbour Malaysia, and about as much as Australia.
It's pretty fucking funny that murican "culture" is mostly derived from the greeks. Their "civilization" didn't even last as long as the Roman Republic, and their glory days didn't even last for 100 years.A pathetic little smudge on history that won't even be remembered 3 centuries from now.
>>91987954Fuwawa didn't even recognize Jesus when Calli drew him in gartic phone. The only Christians in EN are Mori and Kroni.
>>92025244a continued cultural legacy of imperialism might I add, which is obviously not going to survive in the upcoming zeitgeist
>>92028854And Raora. She's from the Romance Empire.
>>92028802>denying that to children just to dunk on some christian retardEmpowering the Christian retards to dunk on the lefties is also not what education is about.
>>92028815>I'm going by your definitionWhat's my definition?>YesReally? Would you like to show me the data which presents that majority high-level positions within the government of Singpaore are held by Europeans then?>and/or European influenced/trained.So not European.>ee Kuan Yew himself went to a British university. Doesn't make him European.>Most ministers go to said European universities, with only a few claiming a local university as their point of study. Doesn't make them European.>If you didn't know better, I would say he was a European man, running the show for a self governed SIngapore at the startCool, did he head the Singapore government with a bunch of other Europeans?>And by that definition Singapore would be a lot more EuropeanNo it doesn't, your genetics and lineage don't change by attending British university.>. Even moreso than its neighbour Malaysia, and about as much as Australia.Australia has been run by Europeans from it's inception.
Gigi mentioned mcdonalds unprompted
>>92026672Anon Christmas is about the birth of Jesus Christ (his actual name was Jeshua btw, with a 'y'), it is an explicitly religious holiday.That's the only commonality across every celebration of Christmas. There is no singular "culture" associated with it that is uniformly celebrated. In Japan for example, the "culture" of Christmas is a day for fucking and eating fried chicken.
>>92028976If you think that teaching human history is 'Empowering the Christian retards to dunk on the lefties is also not what education is about.' then I am right to want to kill you because you're just a partisan who doesn't care about people. You care about agenda.
>>92028779because much like a certain deranged orange they crave the attention of others /pol/ will sadly never stay where they belong which is actually /trash/
>>92029010>it is an explicitly religious holiday.So why do I, someone who isn't religious, celebrate it? Why does my family which hasn't been religious in anyone's living memory, celebrate it?>In Japan for example, the "culture" of Christmas is a day for fucking and eating fried chicken.I don't care about Japan, I care about Western European nations losing their European identity to turn them into corporate-government slaves unable to do anything except consume their identity rather than being imbued with it as part of their inalienable human spirit which gives them power and agency beyond corporations and beyond government bodies.
>>92028979>Doesn't make him European.He would be more European then Narendra Modi, who went to local educational institutions and was brought up "within" the local institutions.See, (you)r problem is that you included Brazil and Mexico as being European institutions here >>92027174 . Which at leats means you're impartial to race and account for the Westertn institutions that had set up the countries. But I would argue that the same rule would apply to Singapore.>Australia has been run by Europeans from it's inception. And so was Singapore. The previous kingdom of Singapura had long been buried for five centuries by 1819. Modern Singapore owes more to Sir Stamford Raffles than it does to Sang Nila Utama.
>>92027295Hitler was also a devout Catholic Christian, which is the reason he hated Jews (retard attacked "jews" as the problem rather than uniting his people against communism - which would've gotten him international support from non-communist jews as well).In the whole "109 countries" argument that some retards like to throw around, no one ever mentions that all of those countries were Christian.Racism has its roots in the Christian belief of "soul" & the "othering" of non-believers, which is the binary thought pattern that continues to this day.It even reflects in how your entire political discourse is always between two sides - often extremes.
>>92029012And you have just about as much as an agenda based off your rhetoric. The difference is that I'm not the one threatening someone else with violence, whereas you are.
What holidays?
>>92029210>He would be more European then Narendra Modi,I don't care? I don't think Modi is European either? What the fuck is this point?>Which at leats means you're impartial to race No? Brazil and Mexico are run by Europeans. Unless you think the descendants of the Portuguese and Spanish aren't Europeans?>And so was Singapore.No it wasn't. The nation state of Singapore is primarily ran by a mix of different Chinese ethnicities. Those are not Europeans.>Modern Singapore owes more to Sir Stamford Raffles than it does to Sang Nila Utama.And? Simply because the Europeans gave you European institutions to run your nation doesn't just suddenly remove the ethnic and genetic links of everybody in the country and make them British. If every person in China decided to adopt Irish culture down to the smallest detail doesn't make them suddenly Irish.
>>92029302Happy Holidays!
>>92029255>Hitler was also a devout Catholic ChristianHoly shit are you retarded? Hitler was on fucking record saying his Christianity was performative and he thought if Germany had to have a religion, it should be Islam.>which is the reason he hated JewsHoly fuck no, you are so fucking stupid it's actually painful. Anti-semetism in Europe, especially Germany, has a whole bunch of reasons to exist, not just 'Catholics didn't like them'.>retard attacked "jews" as the problem rather than uniting his people against communismYou are so horrifically uninformed, there's a fucking reason Hitler used the term Judeo-Bolshevism constantly. He conflated Jews and communists as one in the same, you fucking moron.>Racism has its roots in the Christian belief of "soul" & the "othering" of non-believers, which is the binary thought pattern that continues to this day.Yeah historically, nobody but Christians have been racist, right?>It even reflects in how your entire political discourse is always between two sides - often extremes.No you're just a retard
>>92025244>continued cultural legacyWokism is the inheritor and the continued cultural legacy of Christianity, with the State replacing God. Enjoy.
>>92029279>And you have just about as much as an agenda based off your rhetoric.If you think that teaching history as it is, is an agenda, you're objectively a dangerous person and I'll happily shoot you>The difference is that I'm not the one threatening someone else with violence, whereas you are.You're a pussy and want the state to do the violence for you. If the Nationalist Christians decided to enforce their beliefs, you'd expect the state to step in and commit violence on your behalf. You're not morally superior you little weasel
>>92027122>English speaking, primarily Americanso, not a majority Christian audience then
>>92029337Which ones?!
>>92029494Every American is fundamentally Christian, understand that I talk about Christianity in terms of institutions, not the religion.You like individualism? Congrats, that's Christianity.You like not fucking your cousins? Congrats, that's Christianity.You like doing the right thing even when nobody is watching otherwise you feel guilty? Congrats, that's Christianity.
>>91991449>>92022492>Excuse people give to say happy holidays is that Christmas is too Christian>Focus on EXCUSE ME IT'S ALSO HANAKKU. LIGHT THE BIG CANDELABRUMDon't try to pass it off as a non-jewish scheme to get there judaism customs forced onto the common population.Fucking kike.
>>92029331>Unless you think the descendants of the Portuguese and Spanish aren't Europeans?They are also the descendants of the American natives. Its why I specified Mexico and Brazil. I can grant you Brazil because it did have two portugese emperors. But Mexico and Brazil rulers have mostly been non-white or mixed in recent memory. Its why I pointed it out to you - they're not as White & European as you think they are.And yes, its why I would argue Singapore is a lot more European. Throughout its adminsitration under the Empire, its leaders would have been European. Even when it transitioned to self governed and then independent rule, it has a few leaders of European descent. At leats one member of the PAP was a European white. I mentioned David Marshall. And Singapore's second president was Benjamin Sheares, a Eurasian who would be considered a European descent. Its why I wouldn't be sof ast as you to write off the influence of European institutions on Siingapore. Think of it this way: out of all the nations in SEA, out of all ALL of them, only one country has English as a main language, even though its not the national language. And no, its not the Phillipines, Tagalog is more rampant there.
>>92029524Shut the fuck up Christcuck. Its 2024 nobody cares about your shit religion anymore.
>>91992517You're actually retarded, anon.
>>92029119> So why do I, someone who isn't religious, celebrate it?Christian imperialist legacy.
>>92024553So was your dad but you kinda like glossing over that.
>>92018807Because retards like >>92019887 are actual brain rotted snowflakes.
Stop crying like a bunch of tiny little babies.
>>92029442>saying his Christianity was performativekek you do realize that Hitler is one of the most lied-about individuals in the world right?He had zero contact with Islam in his life or times.
>>92027929>reaches bump limit
>>92029585>They are also the descendants of the American natives.Cool, they are primarily European and identify as European. So they are European.>But Mexico and Brazil rulers have mostly been non-white or mixed in recent memory.Are they primarily European and identify with their European ancestry? They are European. Also leaders != run by. You need the majority of the important positions of the government apparatus to be held by non-Europeans, not just the leadership position, before you can consider not be a European nation anymore>And yes, its why I would argue Singapore is a lot more EuropeanIt's not run by Europeans, it's not European.> Throughout its adminsitration under the EmpireSo not a nation.> its leaders would have been EuropeanBut it wasn't a nation nor a country. I have always used the term 'nation' or 'country'>Even when it transitioned to self governed and then independent rule, it has a few leaders of European descent.Not a nation. The nation of Singapore, when given pure autonomy to pick it's own leaders and run it's own government, chose ethnically Chinese people to do it. That's not a European nation.>At leats one member of the PAP was a European white.I don't care. It doesn't meet the definition of being a European nation.> I mentioned David Marshall. And Singapore's second president was Benjamin ShearesI don't need to keep repeating myself.>. Think of it this way: out of all the nations in SEA, out of all ALL of them, only one country has English as a main languageSpeaking English doesn't make you European.
>>92029524Both Judo-Christianity and Church of England are satanic larps
>>92029624I'm not Christian.>>92029645Okay, so it's not strictly religious then. Thanks for confirming.>>92029699>kek you do realize that Hitler is one of the most lied-about individuals in the world right?Then how do you say he was Catholic with such confidence?>He had zero contact with Islam in his life or times.And? It doesn't mean he didn't make the statements he did.
if Gigi Murin has a million haters, then i am one of them. if she has ten haters, then i am one of them. if she has only one hater then that is me. if Gigi Murin has no haters, then that means i am no longer on earth. if the world is against Gigi Murin then i am with the world. if the world loves Gigi Murin then i am against the world.
>>91987954>>92027006>>92027145>if you don't say the words I want you to say then you're literally HitlerThis is literally tranny logic
>>92029442>Anti-semetism in Europe, especially Germany, has a whole bunch of reasons to existall with roots in Christianity> nobody but Christians have been racist, right?Christianity and Islam, both Abrahamic and God-exclusive religions> He conflated Jews and communists as one in the samewhich is why I called him a retard, he basically cut himself off of most foreign capital and moral high ground because of that decision (he had to hide all his anti-semitic propaganda during the Berlin Olympics, what a "prideful" moment).
>>92029786>Then how do you say he was Catholic with such confidence?Because I actually read the Mein Kampf and know what his thought process was throughout his childhood and youth.
>>92029857>all with roots in ChristianityYeah, Emperors Flavian and Hadrian were big on Christianity I hear.>Christianity and Islam, both Abrahamic and God-exclusive religionsYeah the chinese, famously not racist>which is why I called him a retard, he basically cut himself off of most foreign capital and moral high ground because of that decision (he had to hide all his anti-semitic propaganda during the Berlin Olympics, what a "prideful" moment).And, why do you think I care about your personal feelings towards hitler?
>>92029786>Christian imperialism>not strictly religiousroru
>>91991519https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZo4x0NbbItl;dw Certain Christians get mad if you don't use their preferred pronouns when you wish them happy holidays.
>>92029885But how do you know Mein Kampf wasn't a fabricated lie? You see how playing the epistemological retard game works, right?
>>92029941I'm not religious and can choose to not celebrate Christmas if I want to, so why do I keep doing it? It can't be imperialism because it's on my own free will. It can't be because of religion, because I'm not religious. Why do I celebrate Christmas then?
>>92029922>chinese, famously not racistI have no idea how you idiots can actually swallow your own propaganda like thisGell-Mann Amnesia in full effect
>>92029477>If you think that teaching history as it is, is an agenda, The teaching of history is always motivated by agenda. Colonialists have taught history where theya rgued for colonialism as an enlightening of the locals, aka the white mans burden. Postcolonial history notes the prejudices that have been instituted by such colonial powers. It is very hard to argue for an objective history.I would argue that each young earth creationism as a classic way of seeing how the Earth was formed is a gateway to having more people adopt it as a mainstream view. Most science textbooks that mention such anachronistic views of the forming of the Earth would leave it to a page. Christian nationalists would argue it as mainstream curriculum, with education more devoted to religion.>you're objectively a dangerous person and I'll happily shoot youYou can stuff the tough guy act up your fucking ass. You sound like a schizo and you can't do jack shit. And worse, you sound like an extremist, which is exactly my problem with you. For a person trying so hard to "argue for education", you want to silence a persons who disagree with you. Go fuck yourself.>You're a pussy and want the state to do the violence for youNo you retarded violence-obsessed lunatic I think there shouldn't be any fucking violence over a difference of opinion. States rights exist for a reason. And you seemed so ardent to defend teaching creationism in a school textbook like as though its valid I am inclined to believe you are arguing in bad faith. Do you have so much distrust in modern science that you think Creationism should be taught as fact? Most textbooks already do what you mention but leave it as a page. But Christian nationalists want more. And that's the problem.
>>92030014I don't know what level of irony we are on right now. I was being sarcastic, the Chinese are horrifically racist and that was my point.
>>92029737>Cool, they are primarily European and identify as European. So they are European.No retard, they see themselves as AMERICAN. Just because they have European ancestry =/= European.
>>92030039Jesus Christ man. You have never been to China, you don't even know anyone who has been to China, you've only ever seen paid influencers and your own media talking about China, and you continue to think that's "knowledge" somehow?Fucking hell man, you guys are absolutely cooked.
>>92029737>So not a nation.Neither was Australia. But its clear you're arguing by racist viewpoints, so I'm wasting my time. I'll just like to remind you that Australia is not in Europe
>>92029985If you live in NA or Western Europe, loss of roots and stockholm syndrome due to complete wipeout of pre-Christian culture (very hard to overcome). If you live anywhere else, colonization of the mind (hard, but not impossible to overcome).
>>92030033>The teaching of history is always motivated by agenda.Then you need to be killed if you think this. I don't have an agenda but you cannot be convinced I don't and therefore you are partisan in everything you do and therefore fundamentally untrustworthy.>Colonialists have taught history where theya rgued for colonialism as an enlightening of the locals, aka the white mans burden. Postcolonial history notes the prejudices that have been instituted by such colonial powers. It is very hard to argue for an objective history.Cool, I don't care. By your own logic, you think history shouldn't be taught at all then. You need to be killed.>I would argue that each young earth creationism as a classic way of seeing how the Earth was formed is a gateway to having more people adopt it as a mainstream view. Slippery slope is a fallacy and you are engaging in censorship for the sake of your own political agenda. You need to be shot.>Most science textbooks that mention such anachronistic views of the forming of the Earth would leave it to a page.Yeah, and?>Christian nationalists would argue it as mainstream curriculum, with education more devoted to religion.Yeah, and?> And worse, you sound like an extremist, which is exactly my problem with you. Yes a reasonable person who wants to help people and not try to indoctrinate them into my leftist cult probably would be seen by you as an extremist.>For a person trying so hard to "argue for education", you want to silence a persons who disagree with you. Go fuck yourself.I don't see how me wanting good education for children doesn't mean I can't also kill people like you who want to prevent that. You keep trying this moral high horse argument when it doesn't work because me killing you and me giving good education are not mutually exclusive ideas.>No you retarded violence-obsessed lunatic I think there shouldn't be any fucking violence over a difference of opinionYet you wish to use the state to prevent people you don't like from accessing education curriculums, the same state which exists as a monopolized form of violence? How do you think the state enforces rules if not through violence?>And you seemed so ardent to defend teaching creationism in a school textbook like as though its validA deliberate mischaracterisation of my intended goals for no reason other then political agenda, yes you need to be shot.>I am inclined to believe you are arguing in bad faith.Yes you would think that, because you're politically motivated to believe so.>Do you have so much distrust in modern science that you think Creationism should be taught as fact?I literally never once said this. I said specifically it should be taught within the contact of history. Again, proving you are politically motivated and should not ever be allowed near any sort of power, even that to vote.>Most textbooks already do what you mention but leave it as a pageGreat. And you want to remove that because you believe in you politically charged slipper slope, but you also don't believe in violence, but you need to state to enforce your agenda with violence against people you disagree with because you're a walking contradiction
>>92029959> lose argument> resort to absurdismkek, guess you're not a larper after all
>>92030118I live in a suburb which is 15% Chinese. The Chinese have historically, been very racist.
>>92030198Nothing is in Europe because Europe as a geographic region doesn't exist because it has no geological basis, it's Eurasia>>92030199>it's stockholm syndrome that you enjoy following the traditions of your family and not some greater desire to feel connected to the human experienceKill yourself
>>92029786You are deeply mentally ill and also likely extremly autistic. You are one of the most autistic obnoxious fucks I have argued with on this board in a long time. Get off the internet and go get some fucking meds or something, weirdo.
>>92030226Said the retard who claimed that everything about Hitler he disagrees with is a lie, except the stuff he does agree with>>92030284no argument
>>92030205>Then you need to be killed if you think this. I don't have an agenda but you cannot be convinced I don't and therefore you are partisan in everything you do and therefore fundamentally untrustworthy.Then you need to be killed if you think this. I don't have an agenda but you cannot be convinced I don't and therefore you are partisan in everything you do and therefore fundamentally untrustworthy. I repeated this point because I am throwing this exact point at you. You're threatening violence.>you are engaging in censorship for the sake of your own political agenda. You need to be shot.So what's your alternative? Teach everything? Have everything be in the classroom? Thats as retarded as saying sex education should be taught to toddlers.. Yes, I am saying you are just as bad. You should be shot.>try to indoctrinate them into my leftist cultI thought you said you were a centrist? And why do you call left-leaning ideals a cult? Simply because you disagree with them?>Yes you would think that, because you're politically motivated to believe so.And I think you're politically motivated to be a contrarian AND a retard. And no, your violence won't solve anything.>specifically it should be taught within the contact of history.Which they do. Within a page. But you seem to be arguing for more. I think it should be lessened. But I'm not going to go and threaten violence about that fact, retard.>you're a walking contradictioJust like you are. For a person who claims to be centrist, you seem so ready to argue for a right leaning side, as if it is "more right". I think they have too much power and presence, and they will attempt to push more for it. And I will call you a retard for threatening violence on me simply because I disagree with you.But we got a bit heated. Now. Can we both be grown ups and agree that sex education should not be taught to toddlers? Or do you think that is "censorship"?
>>92030278>it's EurasiaACKSHUALLY its AfroEurasia. That would be the most accurate term.
>>92030451My favorite non-disjoint landmass.
>>92015669Learn English, nigger
>>92029708All because some rightoids had a melty about Gigi saying Happy Holidays.
>>92030413>I repeated this point because I am throwing this exact point at you. You're threatening violence.Of which it doesn't make sense because I'm not the one with a pathological hatred towards the objective historical fact that humans did believe in creationism and the flat earth and that teaching that fact is harmless. That would be you because you have a political agenda against another group and want to deny them power.>So what's your alternative? Teach everything? Have everything be in the classroom? Teach as much as you reasonably can, pausing on the sections that are most important to understand as part of a happy life.>Thats as retarded as saying sex education should be taught to toddlers.. Yes, I am saying you are just as bad. You should be shot.But you don't believe in violence, are you backtracking?>I thought you said you were a centrist?I am a centrist. Do you think being a centrist means that I play diplomat between left and right? I think you both need to be thrown in a fucking ditch a shot because you can't get past your own egos to help others.>And why do you call left-leaning ideals a cult? Simply because you disagree with them?Censorship for the sake a political agenda makes you a cult.>And I think you're politically motivated to be a contrarian AND a retard. And no, your violence won't solve anything.This is based on absolutely nothing and is a lie that you just made up for convenience to other me. Yours is based on a hatred of Christian Nationalists which you have openly stated multiple times.>Which they do. Within a page. But you seem to be arguing for more.Literally did not once state that and again it's just shit you made up in your head because of your political agenda. This is why you are actually a dangerous person, without even stating anything of the sort, you have already tried to other me and just put words in the mouth for no reason other than you dislike me personally.>I think it should be lessened.To zero, which is censorship of objective history because of political agenda. That is dangerous and actively detracts from the quality of life of human beings. Trying to actively make people's lives worse because your agenda means you need to die if you will not change.>But I'm not going to go and threaten violence about that fact, retard.You are, inherently. The state is a monopolised violence apparatus and you expect the state to enforce the curriculum you want. The state does this ultimately through violence.>Just like you are. For a person who claims to be centrist, you seem so ready to argue for a right leaning sideAlmost like it's because you're a leftist and so I'm arguing against you and not someone on the right but because of your political agenda and your desire to other me, you feel a need to put me into the right-wing camp.>And I will call you a retard for threatening violence on me simply because I disagree with you.You don't just disagree with me, you're willing to attempt to enforce your views over mine with violence through the state apparatus.>Can we both be grown ups and agree that sex education should not be taught to toddlers? Or do you think that is "censorship"?We already went through this.
Merry Christmas Japan!
>>92030248lol, racist Chinese is which is why Chinese cultural influence was all over East Asia and Japan, to the point where they even adopted the Chinese writing system, sure.Chinese brought up under a Christian country or a communist/materialist system like the CCP are obviously gonna follow the Christian norms of "other"ing which is the prelude to racism."Chinese racism" is a relatively modern phenomenon which comes from them imitating those around them.This is also why a lot of Indians in the west tend to hate their own culture.
>>92030614If she can't say merry Christmas she doesn't deserve my support
>>92030278All Christians are descendants of forced Imperialist converts anon, celebrating Christmas while being irreligious is the definition of stockholm syndrome.
>>91999735Based. Christmas was "created" to help convert pagans to Christianity
>>92030878>lol, racist Chinese is which is why Chinese cultural influence was all over East Asia and Japan, to the point where they even adopted the Chinese writing system, sure.Yeah racist Christians which is why Christian cultural influence was all over the world, the the point where they even adopted their religion>Chinese brought up under a Christian country or a communist/materialist system like the CCP are obviously gonna follow the Christian norms of "other"ing which is the prelude to racism.Yeah I hear the tributary system and calling literally all other nations barabarians was actually really a compliment in Imperial china
>>92030940Yeah the 12 Apostles, famous forced imperialist converts>celebrating Christmas while being irreligious is the definition of stockholm syndrome.Or because it has taken on meanings outside of it's religious context which are worth preserving for the sake of a shared human experience
>>92030824Where is the KFC bucket?
>>92030679>teaching that fact is harmlessI disagree. I think teaching the fact can be dangerous. Perhaps not as dangerous as sex education to toddlers, but still dangerous.>Teach as much as you reasonably canHave you met with Christian nationalists? Especially the fundies who push young earth? They're usually not the reasonable types.>are you backtracking?No, I'm just seeing your position. At least I can see you're acting more mature now. Good boy.>Censorship for the sake a political agenda makes you a cult.No retard, a cult is based around faith. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culthttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cultI'm not arguing for censorship for the sake of an ideal, I'm arguing for less power to certain people who are pushing for more mainstream adoption of their beliefs. Yes, I am inclined to say Creationists are in a cult.>a hatred of Christian NationalistsVery extreme choice of words. As much as I am biased against them, I know full well that they are irrational. Much like you are when you threatened violence.>you dislike me personally.I don't even know who the fuck you are. We are anons for a reason.>To zeroI could compromise to half. But I do think arguing for more is dangerous>Trying to actively make people's lives worse because your agenda means you need to die if you will not change.A very extreme way of looking at the world. You'll find that a lot of Christian nationalists and fundamentalists ALSO wish to do so. They're the same people who want to restrict reproductive rights simply because they see the life of the fetus as more important than the mother. But I'm not going to wish violence and death upon said Christian fundamentalists. However, you seem adamant to wish violence on someone you don't even know simply because he disagrees with you. If anything, I feel sorry for you.>We already went through this.Andf we should go through it again. Because it seems quite clear you allow some form of censorship only when it suits you.
>>92031052>famous forced imperialist convertsWell they were under Imperial Roman rule
>>92031064Line was too long, the queue ran around three prefectures. You know how the Japanese take Christmas seriously over there.I'll make some food at home for us. Tis the season after all
>>92031086>I disagree. I think teaching the fact can be dangerous.Facts cannot be dangerous to the point they should be censored from the public, this is literal 1984 logic. I don't see how you can't understand this. I'm not even going to respond to the rest because you need to do some serious self-reflection.
>>92030909Gigi has 347k followers, its not like she's a three vciew thats desperate to grow her subcount.
>>92031153You mean... the same Romans which crucified Jesus?
>>92031086>However, you seem adamant to wish violence on someone you don't even know simply because he disagrees with you.Also if you do not have the resolve to enforce your world view with violence, you don't have a world view, you have a dreaming fancy because the people who do have the resolve, are just going to commit violence against you to get their way. There's a reason why every single culture in the world stems from warrior cultures, because the warrior cultures killed everyone else who wasn't a warrior culture.
>>91987954Shut the fuck up retard. She's said Merry Christmas and she'll say it when people superchat her about it. Sorry that Jews battered "Happy Holidays" into everyone's heads the past decade and half you retarded rightoid. Keep complaining about the wrong people in power you fucking moron, you'll never make any meaningful progress.
>>92031237While I want to disagree with it, Christianity had achieved much of its domiance through violence. Yes, it is very much a fact.
>>92031402They had to bamboozle Nords by saying Jesus was a warrior king.
>>92031402Every single culture in written history has achieved it's dominance through violence because violence works. The original warrior culture goes far, far back beyond written history. Every single culture we know of today is a warrior culture
I just want to say MEEEEERRY CHRISTMAS HO HO HO! COAL FOR EVERYONE ON /VT/! AND FOR THOSE FEW ON THE NICE LIST, YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY SCALPED NIJISANJI MERCH! FESTIVE CHEER FOR EVERONE!
>>92024319the Roman Empire didn't start with Elagabalus.
>>92031454there are other ways to achieve victory.
>>92031616In Civ 6 maybe.
>>92031021>>>adoptedrorujust like how 38 countries "adopted" Islam eh?
>>92031052> it has taken on meanings outside of it's religious contextfor you, maybe> worth preservingyou kids will decide whether it is, not you
>>92031680Yeah just like how those countries willingly paid tribute to the Chinese to definitely not invade them
>>92031716>for you, maybeAre you so inhuman that you can't understand that humans can experience new things?>you kids will decide whether it is, not youThen why are you bothering with telling me any of this? You don't have a say in anything
>>92031086>I think teaching the fact can be dangerous.NTA and I agree with the gist most of your other points, but this is a retarded slippery slope fallacy.And in any case, current classroom model itself is a colonial legacy. Kids should be learning more hand-on and in tune with nature.
>>92019887Based and correct pilled.
>>92031800Because you seem to think a fucking vtuber saying "happy holidays" isba political statement for some reason.Your kids will hate you and everything you stand for, if you do not change before raising them.
>>92031881You sound so confident for someone who will never breed
>>92021632>fujo likes faggotsI get it. I also mostly watch bi girls.
"Le vtuber is being political by saying happy holidays!" Bloviating ameritards spotted ITT.
posting in a retarded thread
>>92031187Cool, still won't watch tho
>>92032620Good for you. I'm also not watching her but its got nothing to do with retarded political views. I prefer Biboo
>>91987954>not celebrating Christmas makes you a commieWhat?
>>92032847Stalin banned Christmas. Cromwell was a red as well.
>>92032966And? That doesn't mean everyone who doesn't celebrate Christmas is a commie.
>>92032966Cromwell was a Puritan dictator. He was not at all left-wing.
