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Ironmouse is sick once again.
Say something nice to comfort her.
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>>92273333
Is she dying?
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>>92273333
She's still alive?
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>>92273333
she's never been sick. Or rather, she fakes how sick she is for more money and drama.
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>he had to self-bump 1 hour later

That clip is 11 months old btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lssefkJYBn8
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>>92276200
retard
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>>92276200
yeah she is
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>>92276374
I agree! Why do mousefags deflect?
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>>92276200
Aren't we all dying?
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>>92273333
I am also sick and can't visit my parents because of that.
Say somehting nice to me.
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>>92278395
It's gonna be ok anon, at least you have us. :)
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>>92278395
I was crying
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>>92273333
i'm also sick and you don't see me complaining
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>>92273333
>>92276200
>>92276233
>>92276374
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>>92273333
kek
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>>92276506
bootlicker
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>>92279674
It's amazing that it always flares up right before her sleepathon or right before award season.
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>>92280444
>dad dying
>thinking that grifter actually cares
anything to milk pity
LOL
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>>92280457
what?
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>>92280431
>post one year + old clip
>called out for his bullshit
>gets mad
My redditor nigga is still mad?
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>>92280505
NTA but what what? Hes right.
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>>92280505
stop deflecting mousefag
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>>92281208
when has that ever happened?
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>>92281221
Literally never.
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ironmouse burned my fields and salted the earth.
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>>92280457
You don't watch streams. It flares up every so often, you just pay much more attention when it happens before big events because it feeds into your narratives.
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>>92281969
Holy cope, she does it intentionally for pity
Proof: canur doing his hit piece 3 days before the awards.
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>>92282053
>canur doing his hit piece 3 days before the awards
That's because kai cenat's wigger audience intensified their harassment campaign which hit a boiling point just before the awards.
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>>92282107
That never happened. And you need to provide proof of such lofty claims.
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>>92282107
Kai wasn't even nominated at the awards, It was mostly about her beating his sub record.
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>using bait threads to make anyone who has anything negative to say about their queen be automatically perceived like retarded schizos to stifle any legitimate criticism
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>>92282159
Yeah like your "proof" being that her streamer friend put out a "hit piece" calling out normalfags harassing Ironmouse and vtubing as a whole?

>>92282176
I know that the harassment didn't have anything to do with the awards. It was just wannabe gangster zoomers hounding that anime girl that beat their hero just so they could win his approval (which it didn't. He hated that shit).
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>>92282259
Embarrassing. Thanks for confirming she was grifting with the timing before the awards and there was no harassment

Hard concession accepted lol
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>>92282159
it did tho
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>>92282327
Watch canur's video. He provides receipts of the harassment. This will be my last reply to you.
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>>92282259
what is this mousecuck waffling about blud
the welsh faggot literally has the video up on his youtube
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>>92273333
>Spams bait comments in /vsj+/ daily about hating ironmouse
>Gets ignored
>Makes the same bait thread for the 100th time
Op requires mental healthcare.
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>>92282327
Even asmongold saw the hate messages live during one of his streams.
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>>92282375
India doesn't believe in mental health
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>>92282360
>>92282393
>trust me bro
The lack of evidence is beyond hilarious
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That Connor video is so lame. He's not defending vtubers from hate, he's only defending Ironmouse.
His argument is literally
>don't hate Ironmouse because she's sick
That argument only applies to her, and not the majority of vtubers who maybe use it for anonymity, or maybe they like the aesthetic. It's a massive appeal to emotion and doesn't do anything to address the real reasons people hate vtubers.
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>>92282327
I thought you said she lied about her illness before the awards but now it's that she lied about being harrassed. You should just pick one of your little stories and run with it. You really need to focus more if you want results. Good luck and merry xmas.
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>>92282483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxLlhAWWong&t=1958s
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>>92282538
>He's not defending vtubers from hate, he's only defending Ironmous
>That argument only applies to her, and not the majority of vtubers who maybe use it for anonymity, or maybe they like the aesthetic

https://youtu.be/JFQeiRnzvcg?t=133
1:17
11:06

now shut the fuck up
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>>92282606
>THE EVIL HATE CAMPAIGN THAT BROUGHT MOUSEY TO HER KNEES
>THE HATE CAMPAIGN THAT MADE CANUR HAVE TO PUT OUT THE HIT PIECE
two comments: "this beat Kai?"
KWAB. Other vtubers get actual abuse every day, she's just a fragile whore
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>>92282375
>>92282409
Rent free
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>>92282694
Anon, the only arguments that he brings to defend vtubers are only applicable to Ironmouse (she's sick and can't leave her room and has to use a vtuber model to do anything).
Where is this broader defense of vtubers, I don't see it. As an outside you watch that video and come to the conclusion that the only legitimate reason to be a vtuber is to be a cripple.
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>>92282816
I accept your concession, enjoy the rest of your thread.
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>>92280566
>post one year + old clip
nta but no matter how old this is, the situation did not change.
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>>92282694
nta but I'm not going to give views to this moron.
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>>92282890
Oh no, he's melting down. You can find proof of the hate campaign whenever you want and completely destroy me, but you know it doesn't exist kek
I refer to my earlier post:
>>92282327
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>>92282918
the clip is about an event from a year ago...
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>>92282871
He quite literally says that vtubers choose to be represented by an avatar for a multitude of reasons. If you actually watch the timestamps I posted, he does in fact bring this up.
>but why does he only focus on Mouse?
Because Mouse is the video focus you fucking simpleton.

>>92282961
>ask for proof
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
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>>92282890
>the snowflake ran away crying
All e-celeb/vtubers receive hate, it is not something exclusive to the rat.
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>>92273333
Looking at twitch she's almost 12 hours into her stream and seems fine. Are you okay? I mean mentally. You really don't seem to be doing well. Maybe you should take a break from the internet and talk to someone. Anons are worried about you.
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>>92282994
>for a multitude of reasons
Doesn't list any.
>Mouse is the video focus
Great, so it's an appeal to emotion and a biased video.
She doesn't receive more or less hate than any other vtuber. If anything, I'd say Mori received more hate than her, by a large margin.
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>>92282994
>ask for proof
Do you know what nta means, stupid newfag?
>>92282985
Yes and they still pretend that they are dating.
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>>92283054
the worst part is he won't have left the thread. his whole life is defending the grifting whore even when she cucks him with Kai. he spent all of Christmas day getting molested on vt
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>>92282961
NTA but see >>92282890
You guys ask for proof and immediately start deflecting when given what you asked for.
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>>92283094
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>>92273333
Get well soon, Mousey!
But still I can't help but think that news exploding that her illness is fake and providing proofs would be the vtuber trainwreck of the decade and I wouldn't mind watching it happen
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>>92276200
Everything living is, sorry to tell you this anon pls don't lose your sleep
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>>92283142
Are you stupid? I never said anything about this argument. I don't care if she receives hate, I'm not going to see this guy.
Also, weren't you going to leave?
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>>92283095
>so it's an appeal to emotion and a biased video
Yes? Did you think this was a news reel or something? It literally just a dude ranting about the hate his friend receives on a daily basis.
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>>92283168
She is sick but not as sick as her fans pretend.
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>>92282606
>>92282694
/thread
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>>92283118
>barges into a conversation he's not part of
>"uhh I will not be clicking that link"
>gets angry when he's replied to
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>>92283217
My point is that video is a disservice to the other vtubers who do this for other reasons than Ironmouse. I never disagreed that it was about Ironmouse, I don't like the broader implications he makes with the video. Maybe it wasn't his intention, but it comes across that way to me.
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>>92283222
>Countries with more populations have more people watching YouTube.
ok, and?
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>>92283310
Yeah, I don't get it either, I highly doubt indians even watch vtubers. Anyone remember the nijisanji indian branch, yeah.
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>>92283266
I'm calm, you're the only one who seems angry because I told you I'm not going to see that guy.
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>>92283298
Most people don't need such obvious things spelled out to them, especially when the guy in the video itself explicitly states that there are multiple reasons why vtubers use avatars but for Mouse its anonymity. You may actually be autistic.
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>>92283266
kek
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>>92283260
lmao, now you have to samefag for someone to agree with you.
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>>92283354
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>>92282606
why is asmongoloid doing a fake meltdown over someone saying Kai is better on a single tiktok clip?

holy shit imagine being a phase or niji talent and looking at what is considered hate for mousey. they get literal death threats every day to their face
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>>92283362
nta but you are retarded if you think that is true.
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>>92283362
Well then that video is useless, since it won't change the perception of the people who hate Ironmouse.
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>>92283354
>I'm calm
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>>92283410
>ifunny.com
Go back to r*ddit,tourist.
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>>92283222
Everything makes sense now.
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>>92283463
Yeah
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>>92283508
Samefag
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>>92283565
Please anon, there a multiple VShojofags here. The same one who say they don't leave their general.
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>>92283565
He left the thread already anon remember, it must be someone else
He definitely isn't sitting here crying and seething
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>>92283602
>there a multiple VShojofags here
good evening saar
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>>92283222
Wtf is this true? It's all jeets?
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>>92283728
Bro's fighting ghosts, lol. Keep trying, maybe you will get it right.
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>>92283728
>>92283741
Lmao samefag
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>>92283741
yep and the holojeets get really mad when you point out this fact
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>>92283773
there a multiple ghost here saar
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>>92283508
>>92283741
You missed the part before your samefagging where you blame holofags so it's more painful than usual that you're replying to yourself as this image makes no sense ITT

It's... actually embarrassing seeing you this upset
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>>92283801
Well, are you done with your personal attacks now, can we talk about why VShojofags are the most racist here. It's quite impressive.
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>>92282867
LOL take your meds and stop replying
For sure, there's 3 or 4 of these >>92271992 every 24 hours. Surely it must a different anon every time. Surely.
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>>92283883
It amuses me how they change which countries and races to blame from time to time.
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>>92282606
That's nothing, here's what real harassment looks like.
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>>92283222
Why are youtube watchers so poor?
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>>92279674
good story bruh
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>>92283921
>every 24 hours.
I don't know, I haven't used this site in days. I spent Christmas with my family, I don't care about your bitches.
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>>92283883
pattern recognition
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>>92284004
you weren't supposed to humilate him by pointing out he wasted all of Christmas day getting assfucked by trolls anon

the samefag melty is going to be off the charts
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>>92283982
You should, you should stop being a samefag.
You are not fooling anyone.
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>>92283982
we not poor saar we a very wealthy brahmin who are not watch twitch westoid whore
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>>92283953
What does it say? I only understand the English part.
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>>92284129
holy shit, now you are not only a samfag but you also make a false flag.
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>>92284073
>You should, you should
???
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>>92284153
>こいつは餞別だクソ野郎!
DeepL translate says
>This is a parting gift, asshole!
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>>92284269
OK thanks.
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>>92273333
How many times has she died now?
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imagine spending Christmas doing shit like this. Couldnt be me
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>>92284452
stop samefagging already
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>>92276506
Not OP but i gotchu bro
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>>92284500
not safefagging, but you should do something else with your life
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>>92273333
I think an award would cheer her up
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>>92284527
>WE donb't have TO
Is Connor a saar, too?
Ironkeks, explain.
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>>92284527
KEEEEEEK
the neverending death grift...so glad karma is fucking her dad in the throat, deserves to die suffering for raising such a lying whore
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>>92284527
/thread
>>92284567
Follow your own advice and leave the thread like you said you were going to do.
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>>92284567
>not safefagging
stop dangerfagging already
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>>92284259
see >>92283354
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>>92284656
ICANT I NEEED THE THRILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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>>92284636
kill yourself amnesia anon
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>>92284754
That's not very nice anon, it's christmas and all.
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>>92284701
lmao I see you're still angry after an hour. I don't care, I'm not going to see your moron.
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>>92284754
>amnesia anon
????
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>>92283168
Its ok, her ironlung has diamond plating.
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What are we discussing in this thread?
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>>92284895
Amnesia anon won't stop samefagging.
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>>92284895
AIDSlung faking another illness for attention, same thing she does every week
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>>92285401
must be a day ending in y
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>SAAR WE ARE SUING EVIL IM
>SAAR HER FATHER DESERVES TO DIE
>SAAR WE WILL KILL HER
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https://youtu.be/DxtcXjIIoSA?si=fI-k6cDVz0V19ju9
nice black cock mousey
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>>92279674
Since you left it off let's talk about a big one. For someone as "sick" as mouse and for someone lacking an immune system hery body would be working in overtime to keep her healthy meaning she would often be fatigued and very low energy. Yet somehow she manages to constantly have subathons and streams for 15+ hours pretty frequently? Doing them once a year is once thing but every time you need to pay bills is entirely another.
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>>92286679
Thank you for confirming once again you don't watch her. She frequently streams with extremely low energy, especially when "zooted" off her meds, or cancels altogether. Isn't one of the biggest seethe points about "le sleepathons"?
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>>92286679
>constantly have subathons
>doing them once a year is once thing
Good point, good thing it only happens once a year.
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>>92280457
Her funds running dry that's why
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>>92283257
Why blame her fans tho when she's the one pretending
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>>92286773
>>92286869
>no response
>seethebump from page 10
Why did I expect anything else?
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>>92273333
She's been dying for as long as vtubing has existed. It's all a grift shared between her and Connor, and it's effective at fleecing rubes out of their money.

I despise her, but the scheme is very clever.
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>>92285401
If she was faking it for attention, how come she lost to FuwaMoco?
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>>92288546
>still can't respond
>made another seethe thread
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>>92289383
She's just that shit. Imagine being so fucking talentless you lose to some teletubbies KEKAROO
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>>92289015
luckily she might kill herself after watching her dad slowly die. hope it's agonizing for him, he deserves it for bringing this vile cunt into the world
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>>92291485
BASED BASED BASED
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>>92273333
The flagship vtuber of twitch gets mogged by a british twink with a fucking robot even when he is denied frontpage and never even mentioned by twitch while the rat gets paraded around front and center. Cue the sickness baiting lmao.
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>>92291485
QRD on her dad? Is this real or just schizo fanfics?
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>>92293361
How knows. And it's not that she would care, she is basically a hag. At her age you expect old people to die.
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>>92294039
Fair enough, I'm sure if it was real the schizo would have been spamming bait threads about it already
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>>92286531
???
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cringe
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>>92296907
just like shitlung lmao
imagine being a fan of sleep content and NTR
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i have surface level knowledge about this bitch but im convinced at least one of her twitch admins is a janny here and expects pussy for white knighting her
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>>92297913
If this was true you wouldn't be able to have multiple threads full of holofags seething about her on a daily basis.
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>>92298096
nice try phasecuck
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Crazy how people still believe her despite not having showed proof even once in 5 years, let's all exaggerate our illnesses to farm pity
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>>92282606
Wait so writing innocuous shit like this beat kai is harrassement? Am i in paper thin land?
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>>92276200
We can only hope
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>Who?
This makes the mousey and Cawnur scream in agony
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>>92273333
>Say something nice to comfort her.
Good job on the 15 hour stream today and the 15 hour stream yesterday while everyone else's oshis were getting fucked.
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>>92302947
>he doesn't know
OH NO NO NO NO
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>>92302610
kek
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>>92276200
Always
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>>92276200
all the time
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>>92273333
Ironmouse fans are as bad as her schizos. Fucking kill yourselves, shitters
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>>92302947
>forgot to mention there was no stream on 24th of Christmas eve
Mousecuckbro....
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>>92308794
?
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>>92286531
>mouse viewers
>brazil
>holo viewers
>SEA
not sure which is more grim
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>>92309311
brazil are half white
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>>92286773
pretty sure she didnt cancel a single day of her month-long sleepathon, sounds like the usual woman excuse in the end of the day
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>>92309443
KEKAROO
and other lies mousecucks tell themselves
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>>92273333
Pity bait
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>>92310569
>KEKAROO
this is Brazilian
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>>92310655
he's a mousecuck?
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>>92307968
So when will she be done?
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Old as fuck. She spent Christmas with her family yesterday for the first time in years.
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>>92314112
Uh oh is she going to get sick and die?
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>>92314161
she has a bigger house with more space
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>>92314161
Mousecucks must imagine her family flinging food at each other like it's plate up so she doesn't instantly die from being near another human
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>>92314485
how does she even eat food with her family? surely just eating something prepared by someone else would make her sick
do they all wear hazmat suits until she finishes her meal?
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>>92315425
With a long ass straw with sucking power trained through sucking dick 24/7.
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>>92276200
only on camera
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>>92315621
lol
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It's almost sad watching him come up with le epic owns by himself while on break at the sweatshop.
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Let's look at the bright side, if she got completely cured of all illnesses, her career would be over
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Weird how the thread picked up in activity when it's morning in youknowwhere
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>>92315922
India?
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>>92314485
she is single
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>>92317787
KEKAROO
who's gonna tell him
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>>92317787
...bro? really?
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>>92316165
I was thinking of another place nearby, but that too.
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>>92314161
it's a chronic illness you dumbfuck
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>>92320194
A chronic illness that mysteriously flares up whenever she needs money and doesn't prevent her from doing her activities, yeah. Sure is mightily convinent
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I hope she dies.
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>>92279674
Her condition is not terminal, but that meaning that she's not dying isn't really the case either. All the accumulated damage means she has a severely reduced life-span, and she's already basically ran out of health-span. If you read between the lines, at her most sickest when she lost the ability to walk from muscle wasting, she was probably receiving palliative care instead of even aiming for recovery (until she changed her mind).
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>>92325828
So she going to die soon?
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>>92325951
you forgot to add kekaroo at the end
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>>92325828
she told a story about the doctors trying to put her in a hospice
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>>92273333
SICK AS FUCK
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>Never trust female lies, unless its IM complaining about shit no one can ever verify
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>>92276200
Lol
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>>92282178
>legitimate criticism
There has never been legitimate criticism of Ironmouse on the catalog
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>>92286679
>lacking an immune system
>hery body would be working in overtime to keep her healthy
Anon if your body doesn't have an immune system then there is nothing there TO work to keep her healthy.
Also she has weekly plasma transfusions, effectively borrowing someone else's immune system for a limited time
This usually knocks her out day-of and for some of the next day as the new antibodies get to work on what came in while the last transfusion had weakened
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>>92315425
Sh can eat more now like bread, rice, and chips.
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Good thread. This is why I come to vt. Ironmouse>>>swarmpedos
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>>92333458
mousecuck melty lol
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>>92283298
He definitely intended it. He's numberspilled
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>>92333458
>swarm out of nowhere
It's really funny how daily moggings for the past 6 months have utterly destroyed mousecucks mental
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>>92335407
Success breeds jealousy KEKAROO
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>>92273333
Must be a day ending in y
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>>92300146
>everything i dislike is phasecucknect
I dont even care about that company but you my friend? You must be quite mentally deficient since you spam the exact same shit any basically any thread there is.
What happened between you and phase? Some of those nutjobs didnt wanna get groomed? b& from the discord? Your behaviour borders on obsessive buddy, so why not air your actual grievances?
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>>92298096
they gotta keep appearances up
i remember a janny added a gif of her to the board CSS and made it very hard to select with ublock origin about a year ago which is when i first had to look up "literally who?"
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>>92336521
Yeah it's guaranteed at this point. Only newfags think otherwise
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>>92336521
wasn't that snuffy?
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>>92297649
I don't think you know what NTR means.
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>>92336394
>phasecuck seethe
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>>92290778
>>92310569
>>92317913
>>92335552

>>92337585
>thread slows down
>kekaroo faggot goes back to falseflagging

https://warosu.org/vt/?task=search2&search_filename=1734252051102076.gif
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>>92337643
for it to be a falseflag you'd have to show proof. this is just a standard mousefag seething at phase like they always do looking at the post history
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>>92273333
Keep bumping the thread bro you are doing the good Lord's work exposing the grifiting Ironwhore.
The 3 quints of truth never fails.
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>>92337643
bro u been in this thread gettin raped by the schizo for over a day now. take a shower, touch some grass
this humiliation kink you've got is creepy af
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>>92338779
Kek based
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>>92337643
>seething over mouse being proven to be a whore
kekaroo
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>>92340557
BASED BASED BASED
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>cried to the jannies to get the thread exposing him deleted
>probably saw the post counter go up 1 and got excited
K K K KEKAROOOOOO
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>>92338779
kys schizo
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>>92343108
samefag
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>>92310655
Ironmouse has fans all over the world you know.
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>>92344918
cucks all over the world you mean LMAOOOOO
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>can't even dunk on himself right
>ran and cried to the jannies when his feelings got hurt
Kekaroo?
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>>92342135
Please sir no racism and kkk.
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>>92273333
lol
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>>92352050
another page 10 bump
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>>92352158
He bumped all 3 threads on cooldown.
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>>92352333
But don't you DARE make a thread about him or he'll scream and cry and shit his pants to his personal janny.
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>>92352369
Remember when a thread wouldn't bump due to a glitch and he started melting down?
And it wasn't even autosaging?
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>>92352669
Ye man I kekked my last roo that day, we totally destroyed him bros.
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Kek
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I know he's just going to make another thread, but I hope seeing empty replies and everyone laughing at how pathetic he is hurts him a little bit.
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>thread has devolved into him ragebumping and everyone on /vt/ laughing at him
He might be the one with a humiliation fetish.
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Man she really cant stop pittybaiting uh?
Also funny how this thread is now just imschizo and an imfag throwing shit at each other
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>>92353556
This clip was from January.
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>>92353590
crying about how she was dying before the awards wasn't in January tho lol
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>>92353851
Name one time she had ever claimed to be dying, ever. You can't, the schizo can't, and I can't. But you already knew that.
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>>92353427
He exposed himself as being obsessed with kai's penis in his other threads. That's pretty humiliating.
But then why did he cry to the jannies to get threads making fun of him deleted? Isn't that what he wants? This doesn't make any sense.
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>>92353921
Before the awards. ESL or retarded?,I just told you that
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>>92354671
>absolutely zero evidence
that's what I fucking thought
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>>92354671
link it
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>>92354761
You didn't ask for evidence, you said name one time. Are you okay? You seem REALLY upset.
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>>92273333
Got STD again? daaaamn.
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>>92354963
Watch him give some bullshit excuse about the Jannies (that he cried to earlier today)
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>>92355010
she's got every single one. she's a busy girl each night :^)
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>>92355681
mousecucks...
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>>92281221
He literally just said that it flares up right before her sleepathon or the award season.
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>>92357374
which subathon?
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>>92357519
The one she had a couple of months ago, retard.
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>two(2) of his threads got deleted
Why have the jannies forsaken us?
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>>92357568
???
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>>92357630
Did she or did she not have a 'sleepathon' a couple of months ago (like she did last year) where her 'illness' flared up?
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>>92357700
no she did not
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>>92357700
Did you actually watch it or did you get your news from /#/ schizophrenics?
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>>92357733
So you're saying >>92280457 is a liar?
>>92357807
I don't use twitch and she's under 'Do not recommend' on my YT page.
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>>92357876
>So you're saying >>92280457 is a liar?
yes
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TTfags and Vhoejofags are softer than baby shit. I've never seen more retards run up a bait thread since KFP and cuckbeats.
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Question?
If ironmouse is so sick why doesn't she do cool skateboard moves on the reg?
+1 me, -100 you guys.
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Apparently "your father deserves to die" is where the jannies draw the line. Too bad.
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>>92360988
QRD on her dad?
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>>92361927
Heard he tried to take his life after he heard what mousey got up to with Kai. He has a limit to how much of a whore his daughter can be before he sudokus



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