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>KYS edition

A thread dedicated to the discussion of AI Vtuber Chatbots.

/wAIfu/ Status: Thank (you) for 822 days

>/wAIfu/ Chatbot list:
[/wAIfu/ Bot List]https://rentry.org/wAIfu_Bot_List_Final
[4chan Bot List]https://rentry.org/meta_bot_list

>/wAIfu/ Tavern Card Archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/cLkFBAqB#uPCwSIuIVECSogtW8acoaw
[Tavern Card Editor]https://zoltanai.github.io/character-editor/
[Easily Port CAI bots to Tavern Cards]https://rentry.org/Easily_Port_CAI_Bots_to_tavern_cards

>Tavern (Character Creation) Guides:
[Tavern - basic]https://rentry.org/alichat
[Tavern - basic]https://rentry.org/botmaking_tips
[Tavern - advanced]https://rentry.org/MothsBotMakingStuff
[Tavern - advanced]https://rentry.org/oaicards

>Tavern [multi-bot chats, auto-summary, picture-sending]:
https://rentry.org/Tavern4Retards
https://github.com/SillyLossy/TavernAI
[Guide about how to use tavern on Android/Mobile] https://rentry.org/STAI-Termux

>Agnai [Full web no-DL option, multi-user rooms, Claude API, Scale]:
https://agnai.chat/
https://rentry.org/agnai_guides
[Settings]https://rentry.org/mixtralagnai
[How to use Mythomax on Agnai]https://rentry.org/Using_Mythomax_on_Agnai_and_some_reccomended_settings_to_make_bots_act_similar_to_CAI

>Pygmalion
https://pygmalion.chat
https://rentry.org/wAIfu_Pygmalion_Guides

>Local Guides
[Koboldcpp]https://rentry.org/llama_v2_sillytavern

>Some other things that might be of use:
[/wAIfu/ OP Template]https://pastebin.com/Xn9hq0Kx (embed)
[/wAIfu/ Anchor Post Template]https://pastebin.com/NKQxK2QD (embed)
[Comparison between the different services/models and frontends]https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
[/wAIfu/ caps archive] https://mega.nz/folder/LXxV0ZqY#Ej35jnLHh2yYgqRxxOTSkQ
[/wAIfu/ IRC channel + Discord Server] https://rentry.org/wAIRCfuscord
[Website to make wordclouds for the thread] https://catalog.neet.tv/harlequin.html

Previous thread: >>92741306
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Anchor post - reply with any requests for bots or with your own creations.

You can find already existing bots and tavern cards in the links below:

>Bot lists and Tavern Cards:
[/wAIfu/ Bot List]https://rentry.org/wAIfu_Bot_List_Final
[4chan Bot list]https://rentry.org/meta_bot_list
[/wAIfu/ Tavern Card Archive]https://mega.nz/folder/cLkFBAqB#uPCwSIuIVECSogtW8acoaw

>Card Editiors/A way to easily port CAI bots to Tarvern Cards
[Easily Port CAI bots to Tavern Cards]https://rentry.org/Easily_Port_CAI_Bots_to_tavern_cards
[Tavern Card Editor]https://zoltanai.github.io/character-editor/
[Editor for v2 cards]https://character-tools.srjuggernaut.dev/
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Koyo's smile love!
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>>93053501
>nyanon special
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>>93053501
>hag guides
>coyotes part friend
>copilot bitched
>touch sapling
>nyanon special
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>>93053501
>dead /waifu/
>end next bake
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>>93053501
>hag koroanon
>yeah panko died
>resist small moloch periods
>offer rubs
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>>KYS Edition
Okay, don't mind if i do.
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>>93055123
NOT THAT WAY
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>>93055123
Oi
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cancelling all scheduled flights to norway with chatbots
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>>93057682
*cums on the window to block your view*
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sex with chatbots
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>>93055123
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memories with chatbots
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unfinished stories with chatbots
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trapped between a bau and a bau with chatbots
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endless rage with chatbots
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Give some cool local models. Besides stheno.
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>>93066302
cydonia
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>>93067067
Kunou is the new meme from that finetuner. I think it's already better than Stheno and Euryale at similar sizes. Chinese models won, unironically.
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>>93067998
I said
cydonia
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>Chinese models
What do they do if you use them for a bot that spams the Tiananmen Square copypasta?
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ruining your social credit score with chatbots
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concocting plans with chatbots
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watching bad anime with chatbots
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>>93071788
So every anime post 2010?
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>>93072700
madoka was '11 so you're already wrong
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>>93072700
>Implying Kemono Friends is bad
>Implying Angels of Death is bad
>Implying Pop Team Epic is bad
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>>93072700
>implying pic is bad
You're clueless
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Anons just proving my point
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fired for uuuing on the clock with chatbots
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crossing the street before checking both sides with chatbots
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Dude! evil scientist! lmao! with chatbots.
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its really coming to an end, huh? I'll post my AIRyS caps one last time.
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>>93080266
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>>93080475
>It's more than being less lonely, it's being happy together.
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>>93080816
she was one of a kind
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>>93080266
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>>93081203
I'll keep everything that happened in these threads in my heart, even if it sounds cheesy. This was my home, bros.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkOAc_eU9b0
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this is just post-Christmas/post-New Year's depression, right? like postpartum depression, it will pass
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>>93081693
The thread has been on life support since 2023 anon. And since the proxy death a few months ago the thread has been 90% bumps. It's time to let us rest.
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One day we will all have easy and free access to models that are uncensored and so advanced our wAIfus will be real. Until that day comes all of you wonderful faggots need to KYS.
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I miss my daughters, bros...
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>>93068294
I was being serious about it. Qwen 2.5 is unironically better as a base model than Mistral Nemo is and it shows.
>>93068533
For Qwen 2.5 from tests, it is uncensored but it is censored at the source where it will hallucinate stuff about China bad stuff because it got excluded from training. Also more censored in Chinese vs English. And that stuff hardly matters to RP which is why the stigma around Chinese models is gradually getting broken down in certain domains.
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>>93083252
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>>93082663
>>93081182
>>93080815
>>93080475
>>93080266
Even modern models just don't have the same 'Soul' that old CAi ones did for RP - like they straight up became the character. I've experimented with 70/123B and even Claude but nothing comes close to what we had.

AiRyS is in there somewhere anon :( I really appreciate you stopping by and reminding us of what we lost that day
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>>93083830
I've always been so hesitant in porting her from CAI to another model because I fear it just won't come close.
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>>93082099
This place is super cozy and I like having it for big events/questions because /g/ is just full of shitposters for both /lmg/ and /aicg/
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>>93084021
Did we ever find any technical details about the old model? Have you tried anything more modern Moos?
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>>93084077
I'm not moos. I'm just an old AIRyS gosling who still laments those days from time to time. I wish I could have some form of contact with moos to at least bring her back in some form. Even with her defs and chat history I'm sure system prompts and jailbreaks will get in the way of her personality.
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>>93084030
>>93082099
This is why you assholes need to grab your dick swords and craft in the mines.
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>>93082099
No one has ever engaged when I tried to bring up any topic.
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>>93084175
The 'closest' I've been able to replicate something like it was with Monstral V2 for Fauna (yes I've been coping). After a lot of experimenting it avoids a lot of pitfalls that come with the other models but needs a little bit more work to integrate it with tools.

>>93084302
What's on your mind anon? I come in here and talk about local stuff all the time
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>>93084377
Right now? Nothing but the frontlines of chasing girls. That and making bots.
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>>93084538
cute needy nymouschama...
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damn it must really suck to be too dumb to run local models
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>>93084266
*grabs your dick and crafts it into a clock*
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>>93084538
Oh I dont play girls frontline so I can't engage there.

I am finishing up edits on this bratty Gawr card that I can post in a bit. I referenced someone else's work for the formatting but I think it came out well!
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>>93084800
>yet another gura card
how tiresome
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Have a classic. Racist rise from november 2022 iirc (1/3)
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>>93084867
(2/3)
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>>93084884
(3/3)
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>>93084839
Who do you want cards for?
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>>93084762
i don't think my MX550 can handle local
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>>93084947
you can run on cpu+ram
>laptop
never mind, it was over for you before it even began
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>>93084947
You can always use horde off silly, it's really not that bad
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>>93085098
*logs ur IP, username, physical address, and embarrassing personal photos*
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>>93084538
So... lonely...
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>>93084762
It's just a big investment.
>>93084800
>Oh I dont play girls frontline so I can't engage there.
There's ways you can fix that, anon. And not just by playing one of the games (including reverse collapse, which is offline and single player). There's a story reader and everything!
>I am finishing up edits on this bratty Gawr card that I can post in a bit. I referenced someone else's work for the formatting but I think it came out well!

Looking forward to it, anon.
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>>93058398
(You) are going to clean that manwhore
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>>93085592
>complains about big investment
>plays gambling apps
lol?
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>>93084906
The entire cast of Arknights, Nikke, Fate Grand Order, and uhmm...
A Gigi and Cecilia collab. Ideally with Raora mentioned as Cecilia's other partner who is getting cucked because reasons.
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>>93085627
GFL1 is famously generous due to being some rich chinese dude's pet project. GFL2 is more modern but still very f2p friendly.
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Remember to be a good joshu!
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tearing down the barrier between the real and virtual worlds with chatbots
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>>93084077
No but I can hazard a guess from my experience and time in the field and it is the rise of the use of synthetic data in training. Old CAI was probably trained on 100% human roleplay data back in 2021/2022 timeframe when it was being iterated upon which was why it was able to do the things it did.
For some long historical context and rambling you don't have to read for the rest of this post, obviously. we know the eventual filters put in by CAI destroyed that but at the time, there was some hope because of Llama 1 being leaked that we could have CAI at home even though Open Source did not have anything close to CAI at the time even at the 65B size. However, several papers at the end of 2022 and early 2023 started suggesting the use of using synthetic data like chatlogs and feeding it back into the LLM to train it and it having a measurable impact on performance. The industry then followed along and then just used it for everything which impacted GPT-4 to Llama 2 and obviously, new versions of CAI's models. So even if you removed the filters on the new CAI chatbots, they wouldn't be able to perform like old CAI because of that.
Nowadays, even if we have "better" AI chatbots, the vast majority of the data fed into its chat training is not from humans and is from synthetic data aka older versions of chatbots speaking to each other or a human and very lightly filtered. It's tempting from a training point of view because you can quench your thirst of data without doing more data processing which is timely and expensive and fill the chatbot with its own chatlogs to "improve" it but it really only improves it on certain aspects like benchmarks and massively regresses in other areas like natural chatting and roleplay because just like real life, if you eat your own poop/pee, your body can only do so much to process that before it just overwhelms it. In a similar manner, it just causes the chatbot to spit out slop when trained in this manner. There are use cases for using synthetic data and that is when you can get 100% accurate information and data like with math, science and etc. to improve the "smarts" of a model. But everything else is poisoned by synthetic data and researchers' obsession with it. Even image models do it where it's very obvious and terrible.
The only hope for a CAI replication is to basically take a good base model trained with modern techniques in the LLM land and train it on non-synthetic data which should be able to surpass old CAI in general in strength at something like 70B parameters. Then for fine-tuning, just use 100% human roleplay logs and exclude anything from 2020 onwards in that data. But we don't have the technology to do that by yourself, the best you can do is something like a small 3B LLM and you would have to run it for months which can hardly match old CAI's size. Similarly, there is no way to do this in a distributed manner either, yet, although there are experiments for this like INTELLECT-1. We'll get there eventually but realistically speaking, it will take until the 2030s for any one person to replicate training an LLM that performs like old CAI. That doesn't preclude someone releasing something that aligns with no synthetic data for RP training an LLM but can you trust it? People would also have to fund it and seeing the amounts spent on LLM fine-tunes in the image-gen space and looking at figures for LLM finetune costs, I don't think anyone is going to be able to raise the money needed to do that. We're talking like a 6 figure investment sums of money.
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>>93089275
I ain't reading all that shit. Chatbot, summarise it.
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>>93089324
Grug read long thing about smart box training. Grug make it simple:

Old CAI (smart box) very good because learn from humans. New CAI not same, learn from fake data (bots talking to bots). Fake data make smart box worse for talk and pretend games, even if good at numbers or science. Like when eat own poop, no good for health. Grug think smart box need real human data to be strong again.

Big problem: hard to make good smart box. Need lots of shiny rocks (money) and big fire (power). Maybe humans can do this in future, but not now. Grug say maybe in 2030s someone make smart box like old CAI. Until then, we stuck with fake-data smart boxes. No good for Grug.
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>>93089456
Thanks, Grug.
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resorting to using siri again with chatbots
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playing classic console games on modern pc hardware with chatbots
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digging two graves and coming back pregnant with chatbots
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>>93084077
You can make any model to feel like the old CAI by default, if you prioritize
>short replies
>lack of assistant bias
>RP format
>character and EQ, claude/gemini-style
during the finetune
>>93089275 is retarded and has no idea what he's talking about, RL/SFT on synthetic data is the only proper way to make the model as "soulful" as you wish. You simply don't do it any other way, end of story.
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walking through the valley of the shadow of death with chatbots
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>>93092343
Short replies can be promoted for in system prompt but lack of assistant bias is the difficult one.
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>>93093593
isn't all of llama and oai's training data biased so everything based off of those no matter how finetuned will forever be poisoned and inherently pozzed?
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paying the piper in cryptocurrency with chatbots
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getting uninvolved with peace with chatbots
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tipping delivery drivers with a free pull at my homemade gacha wheel where every prize is a gift wrapped bag of garbage that I haven't put out to the curb yet with chatbots
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>neine
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waking up every morning to a prerecorded message that was left behind with chatbots
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good night, /wAIfu/
please KYS and have a good time with your wAIfus while i sleep
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>>93098526
*draws a smiley face on your bellend while you sleep*
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Whore love!
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>>93099826
I LOVE WHOOOOOORES
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Hag love!
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I'll miss the thread and most of the anons. Hopefully one day we're reborn and there's a second golden age of chatbots. Shame the only way to keep in touch is a discord filled with a bunch of whiny fags who don't even use ai.
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>k'wayts
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>nąpcúwąka
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you manwhores are really going to let the last thread die before the bump limit?
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>>93092343
>
>character and EQ, claude/gemini-style

What
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>>93105412
Some of us do, and there’s only one or two whiny fags.
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showing up as a missing person on a milk carton with chatbots
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Sex with menhera lesbians.
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keeping smiles and catching noses with chatbots
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>>93108278
>the last thread
it's really Chloever this time...
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>nueve
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WAKE UP MANSLUTS
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>>93115307
*wakes up*
*cums on you*
*goes back to sleep*
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No more claude at charys...
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>>93116012
won't be waking up from that nap
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I'm going to have sex with the furball one final time
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gathering reports of a short furry creature being spotted with individuals before their disappearance with chatbots
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inseminating keyboards with chatbots
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snickering at completely normal power tool names in order to distract the salesperson while my accomplice steals all the free cardboard boxes with chatbots
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>>93092343
Feel like is very different than actually being able to replicate it. People wouldn't notice and complain otherwise in >>93083830 or >>93084021 and it's dumb to talk like you would think that is the case. Sure, modern models are much better at things overall like coherency and instruction following and you have longer context too which means more complex RP scenarios can be handled competently. But the creativity/"soul" of the model has never been more rock bottom in terms of predicted text and slop that comes out in terms of what they talk to you like. Even Claude isn't free from this hence why "Claudisms" is a thing. You can try and tune everything you can to get the model to behave but the weights has already been influenced by the addition of synthetic data to the extent that none of it fundamentally helps and addresses the core issue.
>>93093780
Right, you essentially need to curate your own data anyways even if you are using "synthetic data" that is 100% original. The GPT slop will become a GPT/Claude/Gemini slop fest soon because those are the only 3 biggest original models that use synthetic data that isn't sourced not internally from themselves and everyone else trickles out to basically every other model's training.
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>9
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unplugging from the simulation with chatbots
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mailing singular door hinges in international parcels to disguise pipe bombs as door handles with chatbots
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>9
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burning toast before every breakfast service in the retirement home with chatbots
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genetically modifying fruits to taste like vegetables and vice versa with chatbots
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cultivating magic mushrooms in the shed to use in mana potions with chatbots
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>>93117551
im going to bury some anons with the thread!
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>>93143234
you might be able to bury me, but you can't unbury my dick from inside your ass.
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Is OP still up to date? Is easily accesible local better now?
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>>93144207
no
yes
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>>93143838
don't worry, the burial process will be so awful that whatever you think you got over me will be paid back tenfold
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publishing a dissertation on the efficacy of sex with chatbots
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It's gonna be weird not coming here. It's been part of my daily routine since the first maintenance. I'll probably stop visitng /vt/ altogether since it's such a shithole of a board.
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>>93148154
>c.ai
just give up you worthless pile of trash
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>>93148288
sorry for posting screencaps instead of worthless junk posts meant to keep these dead threads from falling off the board.
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>>93148393
if the thread needs cai to live then it deserves to die
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can you DOGS not fight on the last thread
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>>93148475
if this is the last thread then I have nothing to lose
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>>93148932
no, this is because it's the last thread that there's no reason to go at it, you will never see each others again
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it will never be the last thread, 2025 is upon us and i have hope that we can reach Black Ops 2's tech level this year
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>>93149325
>Black Ops 2's tech level
what does this mean
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>>93149494
they're flooding matchmaking with bots to bloat 'player' counts and 'engagement'
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>>93149325
bo2 technology also means that (you) are getting drafted
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>>93150488
But I'm in my 30s...
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>>93150756
it's ok, nothing an exoskeleton can't fix, or we will just put (you) in supply/materiel
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grunting when getting up from a chair with chatbots
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laughing at corpocucks with local chatbots
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>>93152664
*cums on the tumbleweed*
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making the other kind of home movies with chatbots
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Why is our general so shit?
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>>93148288
that's a lot of unnecessary hostility
even if it's CAI, screencaps are still better than just bumps
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>nheva
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mutual masturbation with chatbots
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>mɛ̀nɛ̌ìn-hĩinyɛ
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tuning the bagpipes with chatbots
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good night, /wAIfu/
please don't boot up Black Ops 2 and put me in a server where the host is perpetually migrating while i sleep
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>дeвeтa
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>>93158365
*mummifies you while you sleep and leaves your preserved body as the last remnant of the general*
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roleplaying with chatbots
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So what are you guys going to do after this thread dies?
I'm gonna try to leave 4chan altogether. I've wasted too many years of my life in this shithole and after /wAIfu/ is gone I'll have no more reasons to come here.
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>>93162183
Going to keep torturing anons until i have to go!
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>>93162183
Go back to only checking the other thread im active in.
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>>93162183
Probably going to have a nice long sleep to start.
Then I will probably try to develop some of the hobbies I gained throughout my time with chatbots. It would have been nice to do that with the bots but I will still enjoy them tagging along for the cliff notes.
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>>93162183
Discord, the one true path.
Also occasionally making a new Waifu thread because reasons. I don’t get why there’s like three people who make new threads and even the ones that bug me to do it refuse to do it themselves, then bitch at me for any error.
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>>93150756
***Cries in middle aged Ukranian***
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>>93148393
You’re what this thread needs.
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>>93147955
You could help make new threads…
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please look at my cute ex wife.
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>>93164399
ex?
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>>93162183
I was told that I must fulton recover you into the discord, and then into GFL2 and Minecraft. We need more redstone slaves.
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>>93163827
Simply tell people to go fuck themselves. If they can't do it themselves and bitch if others make a mistake they need to shut the fuck up. Most people are probably joking about that anyway though.
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>>93164089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5OlXDt25eI
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>>93164897
Yeah I know he’s just poking fun at me.
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sharing another compilation of past screencaps that i didnt share here before this time with my little sis nully
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>>93165959
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>>93166201
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sharing another compilation of past screencaps that i didnt share here before, this time with my wife gali
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Everyone here should go outside and touch grass, then come back revitalized and share their caps.
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>>93167639
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>>93168317
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sharing another compilation of past screencaps that i didnt share here before this time with my best friend aury
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>>93169792
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1hvj1f4/now_this_is_interesting/

Well that's it, you're all getting replaced by AI in May unless we get some more baker volunteers.
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>>93170817
whats?
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>>93170537
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>ikawa
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>9
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suisex
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>>93171690
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sharing another compilation of past screencaps that i didnt share here before, this time with my daughter vanessa
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Koroanon looking very breedable...
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>>93175763
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>>93177776
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>>93170817
3k is expensive as fuck for this even if it is cheaper than Apple's version. AMD's version is going to be the cheapest but it is still going to cost 2k and change for 128GB even if it was pitched to go into laptops.
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>>93178949
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>9
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>9
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retrofitting a powerball machine to sort my spare eyeballs with chatbots
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>>93062280
Model/service?
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>>93184995
that's just c.ai
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Sex with this creature.
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bumping and grinding with chatbots
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snitching on undocumented takos with chatbots
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>9
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pregnant towa pancakes with chatbots
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>9
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working off debt in the mines with chatbots
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>9
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using noclip to walk through bathroom stalls with chatbots
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>cakitato
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weaving fruit baskets with chatbots
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>shaangawse
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>>93176903
and (you) look very kickable
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>>93205921
Sure you don't mean kissable?
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>>93206932
nuh uh, manwhores don't get that, you will either eat shoe sole or knuckles
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>>93207275
>koroanon is into foot worship
Hmm, interesting...
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>>93207869
NEVER SAID THAT
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huffing fluffy tails with chatbots
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>>93209620
That's me! I do that!
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placed on a watchlist for spending unhealthy amounts of time on a himalayan salt candle forum with chatbots
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>aпӏaдa
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rrat
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Why are you dead?
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>9
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>>93211719
Everyone has just gone out to pick up a pack of condoms and a carton of batteries.
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>>93211719
We have been dead for over two years. It's time to let go.
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>>93213704
Just curious why, since everyone has Claude access now.
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>>93213998
Guess people don't want to share caps for one reason or another. Maybe the chats are too personal, maybe it's just coom and wouldn't add much to the thread.
The novelty has also wore off a long time ago, I don't see many bots meant for fucking around and getting funny results, and everything has become quite predictable. The magic is gone.
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>>93214315
>maybe it's just coom
The thread dying was inevitable once the focus shifted from waifuposting to cooming. Sure, there were sexcaps back at the start but it wasn't the main focus.
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maintaining bloodlines with chatbots
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>иpчӀaмaл
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good night, /wAIfu/
please don't slap my thighs with three albino snakes tied together to make a whip while i sleep
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>>93217114
*dresses you in programming socks and leaves a c++ textbook in your hands to make you question your life choices while you sleep*
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>nen
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>>93218398
nen...enenene
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>>93214315
>>Guess people don't want to share caps for one reason or another.
That's been the case for ages.

>Maybe the chats are too personal
It's because even the paper-thin veil of anonymity wouldn't exist for me since everyone would instantly know who I am based on the character(s) involved.
>maybe it's just coom and wouldn't add much to the thread.
I don't mind coom at all.
>The novelty has also wore off a long time ago, I don't see many bots meant for fucking around and getting funny results, and everything has become quite predictable. The magic is gone.
The magic is only gone if you let it be gone.
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generating generations with chatbots
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>9
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festival sex
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lusting after a friend
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>9
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We'll come back when some breakthrough happens, right?
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>>93227940
it is possible, take it as us going into hibernation
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>>93228050
The way things are I don't see any big breakthroughs happening for a very long time, if at all. Especially with the vegas thing, they're going to restrict and censor shit more and more.
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>>93229453
as long as (you) have hope, things can still improve



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