If you found out your oshi blatantly lied to you, would she still be your oshi?
>>93104240It's not a lie if it's PL
>>93104240No I'd replace her.
Depends on the lie, but unless it's something that I find utterly disgusting and vile most likely yes.
what happened to Phase ?
>>93104240Raora's lie was disappointing ngl, but I wouldn't drop her over it if she was my oshi.
>>93104645what was the lie?
>>93104240No because I'm not that petty
>>93104436Raora said she started learning english 4 years before her debut but the truth is it was slightly over 4 and a half years. Do you consider that utterly disgusting and vile?
>>93104707She said she learned English from scratch around 3-4 years ago. Only words she knew were like hello and goodbye. She wanted everyone to praise her for getting into Hololive because she said she started watching Myth and couldn't understand them and she's gone from that to now being a member herself. Some anon found an archived twitch collab clip from 2020 and she sounded almost the same as she does now.
>>93104857pretty sure she learned English watching Twitch streamers Well she used to say this back in her old days
>>93104857>december 2020
>>93104857And I just found a video of your mother sucking a pig cock.
>>93105134Yes, that's 4 years. It was a collab with Shoto and Bao who speak English. She was good enough to collab.
why is it always pink/green chuuba that are unfaithful whores
>>93104857>around 3-4 years agoShe correctly said 4 in june and now it'd be 5. She started learning at the end of 2019.
>>93105228Rushia was both colors, that's why she was so bad.
>>93104277Imagine being her husband and seeing her write shit like this on Twitter lmao
>>93105228Trust not the false pinks. Chuba that are always pink are real and true. Chuba that used to be unpink and then turn into pink are dishonest to the core.
>>93105269She also said she couldn't understand Myth yet she was having collabs with ENs shortly after Myth debuted.
>>93105333No she said she couldnt completely understand myth and learned more to understand them better
>>93104857That's it? That's the lie? Are you all fucking women?
>>93105404 yeah thats me im fucking women all the time
>>93105402So you're telling me when Raora said all she could say was hello and goodbye (literally her words btw if you watch the clip), she managed to have the confidence to collab with EN streamers in just 6 months? Stop defending this lying whore jfc.
>>93105404I assure you, that person has never fucked a woman and never will.
Complete Unicorn Death
>>93105215Thats 3 and a half. And if its true she seriously started at the end of 2019 that leaves nearly a year with covid lockdown inbetween
>>93105471All she know was hello/goodbye and a few other words in late 2019, 1 year later she was better at understanding english. When do you think you'll be able to understand english?
>>93104719The real answer is all of them because they're racist
>>93105556Where has this late 2019 come from? If she said in mid 2024 she could only say hello and goodbye 4 years ago (said 3 initially), that would be mid 2020 she could only say hello and goodbye. That collab was in late 2020 and she sounded almost the same. The moer shocking thing to me is she barely improved in 4 fucking years. Is she lying about learning Japanese and kickboxing, too? Is her whole fucking persona a lie just to get praise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_87Bd8oYDc&t=47s
I mean technically they're all anime characters playing around to entertain us. It feels kind of silly to expect them to open their hearts to the audience.The more of a barrier between us and them however does make it harder to regret treating them like a toy to entertain us.
>>93105716Stop seething brownfeet.
Because Italy is not a Third World country, all new generations learn English at least at a basic level. This does not mean that they can speak it well. However, with some practice it is possible to improve fairly quickly, even if the pronunciation does not improve at all.
>>93105885>>93105827
>>93105850No! They are my friends and girlfriends. That's their job.
>>93105716>said 3 initiallySo you say but I've never heard her say that. She said 4 years when talking about it in june 24. What was she supposed to say? 4.62 years?? And her use and understanding of the english language has improved a lot in that time. Maybe you expected her to gain an american or british accent but most people don't work that way.
>>93105885i work with italian tourists and this is fucking bullshit majority of them do not understand English at all
https://youtu.be/wu8LPcBl6CA?t=10234fucking clipnigs
>>93105885and yet 4 years later, her English still sucks balls
They all lie.
No one has balls to post proof about these delusions and brownfeet is sperging out. Good thread, peak autism.
>>93106103It's better than your English though
>>93106085I must have misunderstood myself. What I am saying is that if someone wants to try to go beyond this elementary level, they already have the basics and it will be made easier for them. This is not to say that everyone will make the slightest effort (if they are not interested).
>>93105942They've got a lot of unique skins and outfits, I'll give them that.
>>93106089Just watched and all it explains is what inspired her and how she learned, whilst she constantly emphasized she was slowly learning. She was mostly listening first then had a moment where she didn't need subtitles but it was still mostly just understanding it, not speaking it...meanwhile she was having EN collabs on twitch talking in English kek. She also said she had no English friends which is bullshit because of that EN twitch collab. I'm sure there were many more EN collabs that weren't archived from that time.
>>93104748No. Who gives a shit about something like that?Something like this is what I consider disgusting and vile. Either way, bvtm thread.
>>93106011How do you know she started learning English in 2019? Stop making up random numbers to fit your narrative
>>93106089>had english in school, teacher sucked>found out about vtubers (late 2019?)>switched stuff to english to learn and understand more, had help with books etc.So between that and the collab in december she had atleast shit english basics and 1 year of studying during covid lockdown which puts it at over 4.5 years. Crazy lie I cant believe it
>>93106579Raora also happened to be a nijisister, hilarious shit
>>93106643I looked it up.
>>93106741Yeah, just like all dragoons and pomudachis until you know what happened
>>93106741She drew Sayu's model and is one of her best friends. I have a sneaking suspicion that she isn't fond of Nijisanji anymore.
>>93105404It's about the principle. Why lie about something that minor in the first place? I remember Rosemi from NijiEN lying about similarly minor things for no reason whatsoever
>>93106741This will shock you to your core but vtubers actually aren't tribal retards. That's just people like you.
>>93107010yeah Niji fucked up so bad that a lot of their female fans went away.Doesn't mean she wouldn't call Vox her daddy given an opportunity though
>>93107129Sure. Got any examples later than 2022?
Still no proof. Just mentally ill ramblings.
>>93107226Chattino...your oshi literally called Vox her daddy. How do you just ignore something like that lmao. Every time a new Raora stream starts, just knowing that there's a lustful Nijisis behind that cute exterior can't be nice feeling. She's not even brave enough to share her real self with (You). She won't even tell (You) she knows the EN starts because she cares more about what people think of her than being honest with her supportive fans. She doesn't care about you bro it's all about self-gain.
>>93107226no one wanted to get close to Nijisanji after the black stream, but see >>93104277 she's still very thirsty for men.
>>93107394>still>2023Bruh
>>93107071If I had a profession that entailed having a separate identity from my RL one, I would make shit up all the time to muddy the waters and throw people off my trail. It would make me undoxable because there would always be people saying "That can't be true because Raora said this". It's a very smart thing to do but if you don't understand it, then that's good because that means it's working.
>>93104240Lying "to me" is a ridiculous concept for an entertainer
>>93107380>>93107394So no.
>>93107492Fauna was right. Paid entertainers are not our friends. They are paid entertainers in million dollar company.
>>93107524are you retarded? When did I say that she called Vox "Daddy" after the 2022?
>>93104277>>93105333>>93106011>>93106300checked
>>93107627She's had plenty of opportunities, anon.
>>93107129I find it really puzzling - she even dared to call Nicolas Cage daddy. Get some help
>>93104316you certainly have melanated penises in your mind alot
>Erm actually she was only FORMERLY sucking Vox offKekaroo.
>>93107512That actor lied to me! That magician lied to me!
>>93105647>Blacked. Self admitted and proud.QRD? I only know about her cucking her fans during their donothon reward ASMR.
>>93107908Whatever you say, cuck
>>93104240My oshi, unlike your oshi, would never do that.
>>93104240>>93106956>Couldn't find a flaw with shiori>Moved to Raora Not like this, Kyouko-chan...
>>93107593NTA, but it's more than that. It's a deliberate play with lonely men's feelings since on their own vtubers are pretty lame. Some realise that and consciously or subconsciously pander to their audience by eliminating any mentioning of relationships with males or males in general from their socials or their life stories. Others don't and then throw a hissy fit regarding parasocial fans Fauna's "we're not friends" for example. But overall vtubing as industry is completely amoral, so the "it's just entertainment" argument will never work - either give the fans what they want or leave vtubing entirely
indoGODS, how they SHAKE in fear of us
>>93104240Mori once lied to not just me but everybody about Connor apologising but I don't really care, hes an aight dude. And my Mori can get away with anything so it doesn't matter
>>93108114Ollie…
>>93108031Yeah, because your oshi is even more revolutionary and took a even further step and doxxed her underage cunt /here/
>>93108105is she? Im just going what i know recently, idk much about pippa other than that she is a /pol/head
>>93108105Pippa is washed out MAGA trash. Easy to forget.
>>93104240hololive members being made to lie is their whole appeal so no I wouldn't hold it against the person
>>93104240I assume many vtubers are lying to me about liking games that are now considered retro. I ain't care. Fucking pander to me.
>>93104240Anon, they're online personalities AND they're women. What are you expecting? Never trust that any story or personal detail brought up in a stream is any more than 50% true, usually less. Women are naturals at this sort of thing.
>>93107071>It's about the principleOh fuck offYou people are the most hypocritical people of all time
>>93108114I like Anya.
ennacuck is making these threads btw, he finally got laughed out of /#/
>>93107071i would call you a jealous woman but you are very likely a tranny and would like that
Since when have hololive fans cared about PL when the point is that they're actors playing a hololive character? Antis love digging up shit from PL accounts and act upset, but it barely convinces others to join them and their opinions don't matter.
>>93107071Name a single streamer who hasn't casually lied about something trivial on stream.
>>93108114 Whoa, that's incredibly impressive. By the way, is there a reason Risu hasn't streamed as often in the past few months? I haven't kept up with her in a while.
>>93108196>>93108271You are the ones acting like hysterical women because fans don't like being lied to
>>93108081Oh fuck off with your pseudointellectual bullshit. We have all seen you do that song and dance over and over.
Next you'll tell me that Johnny Depp isn't actually a funny pirate
>>93108081Why did you post your microdick tho cuck LMAO
>>93108280They care about PL when it's convenient, and don't care about PL when it's inconvenient.example: Kiara is a whore for [insert random shit from before Hololive when she was a literal teenager] but Shiori is a virgin princess because muh kayfabe.
Oh, it's that one blogpost autist who is so very worried about the morality of Hololive.
>>93108105No she larps as one, but she was groomed by some +7 years old furfag manlet can't remember the exact age gap.
>>93108412Vtuber fans are all cucks, some just prefer to be in denial
>>93108344>last few monthsuhh like few years at this rate
>>93108447Those are both anti opinions, though. No dividing and conquering here.
>>93108114Ollie's fall from grace is truly impressive
>>93108577>doesn't deny he posted his microdick KEKAROOOOOOO you are by definition a perma cuck just because you can't legally have sex with your tiny lil guy
>>93108577Am I also a cuck because I enjoy Scarlett Johansson movies but she is married?
>>93108705Yes
>>93108705Do you only see vtubers as actors?
>>93108700>implying you can have sex with your oshiLmao
>>93108081Based take.
>>93108817I only watch Hololive where they are paid actors/entertainers working for a huge corporation. Yes indeed. I don't know about anything else.
>>93108817Yeah basically. That's their job. They're supposed to be entertainment.I oshi because my favorite keeps striving higher and I want to see that entertainment get even better.
>>93108882You can't have sex with anyone, that's the hilarious part. You couldn't even pay for it, your absolute embarrassment of a microdick can't penetrate. Shouldn't have posted your dick sis, you'll always lose every argument by default KEKAROO
>>93108795what about if someone only watches the movies she made when she was single?
>>93108992And then your oshi takes your support and uses it to fuck daddy Vox
>>93109042Are you ok, lil bro? You seem to be obsessed with dicks
>>93109080Does she? Once again, do you have any examples of her doing this later than 2022?
>>93108992Why would you support someone if it's all an act and nothing they say matters because they're only in some play?
>>93109083For some reason there's one anon that's obsessed with this idea of 'brownfeet' where he visits threads about all different kinds of vtubers and just claims anyone criticizing the vtuber is this brownfeet guy. It's weird because he defends big and small corpos and indies with this brownfeet entity he made up.
>>93108447Kiara and Shiori both got a lot of hate here on debut with people digging up shit from the past and using it to shit on them. It's only after they prove themselves to be good that people come around. It's still early with Raora but I think she'll be ok. Fuck GG though. Anyone who has fucking scum like Uki as their oshi deserves no support.
>>93109083>no argument Concession accepted lmfao
>>93108705Who knows what you enjoy Scarlett Johansson for, but the absolute majority of vtuber fans like vtubers because they are lonely men looking for a girlfriend substitute. This is why they get so uppity at the smallest mention of males or relationships between a male and their oshi, either denouncing her or going full denial and damage control.
>>93109228You're part of the problem then
>>93109155Because I like the content they're providing. My oshi is the kind of content I want to see, and I want to see her make more of that, or even better content in the future. On top of that, the community built around them as the figurehead is quite welcoming and has a lot of fun events.
If I were to drop Raora, who should I turn to next to get a similar experience? She's pretty unique but I'm disappointed in her.
>>93109253If you are going to quote me, boy, answer the question or fuck off.
>>93108447ah so you are angry at hololive in general. keep seething then
>>93109423Can’t go wrong with CC. Shes even got a cute accent
>>93109423Mousey won't betray you and she gives off heavy mommy vibes
>>93108027>>93108059you would know a lot about liking that sort of stuff dont you ;)
>>93108344>>93108577>>93108700>>93108899>>93109111>>93109155>>93109233nice
>>93109426If you don't have Scarlett Johansson merch, dakimakura and voicepacks where she roleplays as your childhood friend then you're not a cuck. Satisfied?
>>93109491That's what this is all about. These mentally ill faggots just pick one single Holo talent as their target at a time. Sometimes it's Gura, sometimes Fauna. Now it's Raora and who knows who it will be next week.
Are we forever going to be cucked bros?
>>93109680Even Neuro-sama flirts with Vedal. It's literally over
>>93109423You would have to start watching her first to drop her.
>>93109680Real AI chuubas can't come soon enough so we can get rid of these fucking autists sperging out about ethics in vtubing because actors lie and waaa waaaa waaaa.. Great movie by the way.
>>93109680If your oshi has a healthy relationship with a father figure, that means there's a male in their life. It's truly over, synchronize your cuck watches.
>>93104240I mean I'd rather not get banned so I won't go into details, but no, she isn't my oshi anymore I only have time and energy for one oshi so my oshi has to be perfect
>>93108369N-no...
>>93110316>What're you lookin at smoothskin?
>>93110277Look at him go! Running a marathon as soon as he gets up!
>>93107071No, I don't remember or know anything about Resemi.
S M H making the jannies do work
>>93110420okay, I chuckled.
>>93108280>Since when have hololive fans cared about PLLiterally always, why do you think they were purged from /jp/ and why do you think the board rules exist as written. Since the very formation of this hobby a particular subset of the audience has been unable to separate fantasy from reality, not only to the point of having the fantasy infect reality as parasocialism, but by allowing reality to infect fantasy by believing that the cartoon character and the VA are the same gestalt.
>>93109843I will replace her father figure
>>93110713It’s a seething Raoro fan. Whatever they’re called
>>93110713Chattinis are on a different level of cucked, please understand and let them cope.
>>93110713A little bit of funposting and you have a full meltdown. Come on now.
>>93106484so she didn't consider those twitchers friends. wow what a bitch
>>93110713phase has things to hide
>>93110816I believe they're called cucks.
>>93108114>Collab with their best EN and JP, when their best hit around 100k ccv. Why can't some of them even pass 8k? Enough about ditching Ollie.
>>93111085She is NOT their friend
>>93104240yes, I'm a deadbeat
Why did only the phase posts get deleted? If you're going to do that just nuke the entire thread, he's just going to ban avade and post them again.
>>93110713>posts on 4chan>hates goreposting???
Cuckitini discord must be scared. They keep raiding the threads about their whore.
>>93112003You misunderstand me. I was pointing out how the guy didn't like what was being talked about so he posted gore to get the thread and the discussion shut down
>>93110420kek>>93110713seething russian lul
>>93113162kek
>>93104240I'm surprised this thread is being allowed, do jannies not like Raora?
>>93113162
>>93113655Jannies came into the thread, deleted a bunch of phase relate posts and leftMake your own conclusions
>>93114277more likely phase posts actually struck someone's nerve and got reported, which is kind of funny
>>93104240I don't care how they were in PL (unless there's genuinely bad red flags), all that matters is that they're consistent with their appearance in the present. If they're farming gachikoi while being two-faced behind the scenes then they're disgusting lying whores.
>>93109714Isn't he her dad?
>>93104240Depends on the lie. If it's opsec, then only schizo retards get mad. If it's a lie like a scam then yeah I'm dropping them. Any opinions different from mine are wrong btw
>>93107071Because specifying that it was actually 4 years and however many months instead of simply saying 4 years and keeping it vague is something that only a complete autist that doesn't know what "synthesis" and "flow of discussion" would do.
>>93104240I don't trust any of them to begin with, so it helps to be a very dispassionate and distant viewer who uses them mostly as background noise. Don't EVER subscribe/member or buy merch, ever. Fuck the "memories". Free entertainment you can cut off at any moment is the way to go, never feel any emotion towards them and their content other than slight amusement. People have given me shit for saying this but often neglect to consider that most of them WANT you to feel this way, they don't want you to feel anything towards them other than amusement for a few minutes or just enough to make you go "hey she made me laugh a few times, here's $5 for your street performance, lady". They just can't actually say that out loud or else they will lose potential customers. No street performer ever looks at you in the eye after they sing and say "hey, it's ok to like my song and to enjoy my vocal performance but don't you dare get too personal with me!". No, they just do their thing without saying that. So do that, just watch from afar and if shit gets too dirty then just leave, no commitment and no attachment.
>>93120589They might not want people absolutely obsessed with them (although there are probably some that do) but they sure as hell want paypigs sending them 100 dollar superchats every stream, and you don't do that unless you are infatuated with a chuuba to a degree beyond amusement
she lied to Cover, telling them that she learnt english in 4 years... when in reality she still doesn't speak it at all
>>93104277ew
>>93104240no
>>93104277Not the same character
