In 5 year ironmouse will be known as the most influential vtuber on the planet as skinwalking becomes a common practice.
>>93261068what is black corpo about hiring professional dancers to do the dancing part?
>>93261008Cover started it. Especially before they built their studio
>>93261008holy ESL
>>93261008Isn't that only an issue if they don't tell you it's skinwalked beforehand, and thus misleading you? If they tell you straight up, then it's no different from using MMD or something.
>>93261225>they are gonna tell you they won't lolw.
>>93261209we have plenty of exemple of the girls dancing like shit way before their new studionijinigs on the other endlol lmfao
>>93261008>>93261068Anon, are you telling me you want to seeTHIS kind of dancing?
>>93261209Someone post Ina dancing
>>93261180but changing the "actor" behind a character is a whole lot different than hiring a dancer for a pre-recorded 3D performance and crediting them at the end of it.
>>93261402>93261389 gets posted before (you) asked
>>93261389If I wanted to see people dancing the exact same as each other I'd be watching kpop and not be /here/
>>93261404>Only prerecorded 3D performance.>Job descriptions say Tiktok, X & Youtubethey are hiring for shit like this anon, and no, noone will be credited.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-NmitTf7ITc
>>93261180tbf we know og cocoa is still very active but Nu-Cocoa is still on hiatus for an indefinite period of time going on a year now. Can't really say it blew up in their faces if the community likes the both of them.
>>93261389I want the person who inhabits the model to inhabit the model I want it to be an extension of themselves so yeah. even if they suck at dancing.
>>93261572this seems pre-recorded to me>noone will be creditedwe'll cross that bridge when we get to it
>>93261373It literally isn't an issue especially when we're talking about disabled vtubers that physically can't dance. I'm sure Fulgurs fans would have been understanding too.
>>93261251If they don't and don't credit the dancers, THEN you can riot and I'll be right there next to you.
>>93261008VSPO girls cant dance
>>93261008>skinwalking becomes a common practiceGOOD about damn time. That stigma needs to go extinct
>>93261389Yeah, I do. The journey is that, watching them improve. I don't care about professional in sync backup dancers from a music video.
>>93261389Growth supposed to part of the idol journey right?
>>93261888Nah, that just add another layer of lies to vrubing. Then better hire professional singers and even people that play the games so the girls only need to do commentary.
>>93261888Go watch AI fuckwit
>>93261888Please understand, corpofags will get sad once they don't see their oshi online only to dance shit like this >>93261389
>>93261888It definitely shouldn't be common and left for only extenuating circumstances like medical issues or them being unable to travel.
>>93261008The nomenclature is "doombotting"
>>93261389Damn straight.If that's my girl up on stage after spending months practicing to give us a show, then I'll be right there cheering.
>>93261008they just need to hire this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFiNdkt5634
>>93261008Why is Brave doing stuff for a predatory poach company like VShojo? Oh wait, they're a black company that screws their talent, just ask the Globie people
>>93261389CUTE INA!
>>93262788>just ask the Globie peopledon't be a fucking vagueposter and say what you mean
>>93261888Agree. The stigma against changing voice actors needs to go as well.
>>93261008Uh... Is this supposed to be a bad thing? I don't mind it.
>>93263150>have a high-quality avatar with good design and solid rigging. >VA graduates or terminated. >unable to reuse expensive asset due to arbitrary stigmasThe taboo for skinwalking needs to be destroyed
>>93261008Fauna will join VSP0 EN now
>>93263576>solid riggingonly VSPO has that among corpos. other great rigs are owned by chuubas who're either full indies or signed to agencies like Mythic or NOA.
>>93264005idk. v4Mirai's rigs are fantastic. Specifically the 3D models because the one I watch rarely uses 2D anymore.
>>93264265I'm not really a fan of 3D stuff, how's their 2D compared to Arya for example?
>>93264531Dunno. I don't really watch vspo. I think the models are still a little stiff and the girl I watch most has a weird mouth baseline so it doesn't match well with her flaps. Really though Dr. Nova(e) rarely uses her 2D since getting 3D. She's fucking hilarious with it and it's so smooth. It barely ever clips despite having a ton of moving parts unless she literally shoves her gigantic sleeves into her torso or where the jacket should be, and she has a few superchat reactions where she gets ragdolled into the background or off screen.If anything, the 3D model has far better face tracking than the 2D one. She also fucks around with the model a lot, and it still somehow looks finehttps://files.catbox.moe/1ts6w9.mp4God, I love her model so much.
>>93264807I'm not feeling this one, sorry anon.
>>93264912That's fine. If that doesn't interest you, then no, the models are worse probably. They really are stiff and they don't track THAT well.
>I sudendly don't care for Kayfabe>I suddently don't want to find out the fictional thing I'm watching is a lie>(You)
>>93261068>very few people in this thread know about gamebuFeels like 6 years is enough to wash away the sands of controversy
>>93261008Doesn't every corpo already do that? Teaching someone to dance is a massive undertaking. Much easier to hire a dancer and just use face tracking from the talent combined with the dancer.
>>93261008What does brave have to do with vshojo?
>>93266038I know about this because my boy Fuma got forever trauma for whatever the fuck happened behind the scenes because of this BULLSHIT and I will NEVER EVER forgive Brave Group, what in the actual fuck were they thinking???
>>93266117>We're getting the numbers but we need a way to keep this project fresh or it'll go stale>What if we introduced new characters?>Too expensive. >What if we hire new actors for the characters? Viewers get something new AND we can save on salary costs by offering less money to new hires. They won't complain about it, because our project is so popular they're just grateful to be with us.>Yamada you're a genius! Let's go to hostess club today after work>With pleasure, bossProbably something like that
>>93261389Hell yeah.
>>93266038yes, it is, what do you mean
>>93261389yeah, girlfailure dance hot
>>93261008>>93261068Are you against every stunt double used in every Hollywood movie too?
>>93261389DORK SEXO
HOLO used to use dancers because the Japanese community closed down in COVID-19.Japan also restricted the entry of foreigners during that period.That's around 2020-2022 or so.During this period, there was a level of peer pressure that any entertainer who became covid-19 would be socially disqualified.And another point is that it was cheaper in terms of labor resources to have dancers dance than to give HOLO members dance lessons.So, if covid restrictions are relaxed, members with high income will dance by themselves, and those who cannot call many HOLO members will use dancers.But now it is different. covid is no longer a concern in Japanese society. Even affected celebrities are not disqualified.COVID is an idol business model, so the company is again concerned about the fact that the person himself dances.HOLO members who have a policy that the person dances are happy, and those who do not want to dance are suffering.The holo live device members include a person with a job experience as a back-up dancer in 1gen [hajime], and for the management, they are a unit that wants to have concerts!However, there is a mixture of members who do not like idol concerts2gen is completely an idol concert aspiring unit. We have two people who have big stage experience in idol dance and one who has practiced singing and dancing in an entertainment company since he was a small child. The other one has no concert experience but applied to HOLO because she wanted to dance [Su].The four members of 2gen are definitely eager to dance themselves, indicating that the current policy of the management is “dance by the members themselves.I think that Fauna was not comfortable in Holo from the time when the reason of covid's entry restriction to Japan was removed. I think it is from about 2023....Now niji holo brave neopolte everywhere is based on the principle of dancing by oneself.Dancing also has a gym training effect on unhealthy vtubers, so some corporate vtubers profess to be doing it instead of fitness!If a dancer is mentioned in the credits, it is either a back-up dancer, a trainer of dance lessons and a contributor to the concert, or a dance choreographer.In Japan, artistic dance choreography is copyrighted, so the choreographer may be listed in the credits.Artistic dances for HOLO's commemorative concert are copyrighted by the choreographer in Japan. Therefore, it is assumed that COVER INC. has paid a dance choreographer to devise the dance choreography.Back-up dancers, dance trainers, dance choreographersWhen we hear the word “dancer”, 4chan imagines a “substitute for a vtuber”, but in reality, substitutes are limited to those who refuse to record the unit part of a song, or when the recording schedule does not allow it.Perhaps cover company would like to exchange the talent they own in terms of the value of the dance recording.The hypothesis is that the number of people belonging to the company will not change much, but will be exchanged for members who are interested in dancing.The hypothesis is that the management's policy is that if the person is not interested in dancing, he/she will graduate and the number of fans he/she has is acceptable to take with him/her. Even if the number of fans that are taken is 10,000 and the number of fans of the new member who are strongly interested in dancing is 3,000.
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>>93263691Might be kino
>>93261209Towa sitting incident disprove this.
>>93261389MY INA IS SO FUCKING CUTE WAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!
>>93261209Robocop fucked up in a concert live
Holofags turn into rabid dogs the moment anyone dares to leave their echo system, they would happily embrace skinwalking practices.
>>93261209Least obvious newfag
Brown hands typed this post
>>93272988If we were pro-skinwalking we wouldn't have become this rabid against graduating talents, retard
>>93261008I'm not against it as along as they are truthful, like putting out disclaimers or notes on their description or tweets that they are using skinwalkers.But we all know that they won't do that.
>>93273781You're not rabid against the graduated talent, you're rabid that they dared to leave, you instantly turn on them once they mention that perhaps not everything is as perfect as it appears, and most of you don't follow them to their other selves.You are married to Hololive, you oshi the corpo, so yes if Fauna suddenly popped again up with an extremely thick british accent you'd be all over it.
>>93261008Why even have lives at that point
>>93266107They have had some partnerships in the past. VShojo talents doing watches of their debuts, some appearing at V4Mirai concerts, Mouse's Streamer Awards performance was primarily done by Brave in their 3D studio with a skinwalker for both Mouse and Bubi, etc. Seems to be mostly background stuff now though; Gunrun is a tech nerd and probably likes how they do things with their motion capture, and VShojo was likely paid to promote some of the V4Mirai girls. That's about it.
>>93274740Yep, keep the tears flowing. Yummy.
>>93274740>you're rabid that they dared to leaveAt most people would call you stupid for leaving an easy job and that's just the fact>you instantly turn on them once they mention that perhaps not everything is as perfect as it appearsNever happened.>and most of you don't follow them to their other selves.Wrong, if you don't change after leaving then people would follow you, see Sakuna and even Kson when she got boost playing Holocure that just proves people don't leave they just don't show up when you ain't doing something they want to watch, simple as that.
>>93261008Hololive started it first
>>93261389jesas what a dork
>>93261389SOULINATAN GANBARE
>>93261389SOVL
>>93261008Someone's gonna masturbate to a girl piloted by a dude.
>>93261008Didn't they already do this before and got backlash for it because their CEO made some shitty excuse that they were virtual anime characters and not vtubers or something?
>>93261389>Mortal Kombat 11 kicks and punches.mp4
>>93261389There's already 800 million soulless MMD dances.You need to be special out here.
>>93261389I KNOW , SHE IS THE BEST HUMU
>>93262683Kanauru looking ahhhh
>>93261008wait til you find out Cover, Phase Connect, and VShojo have all hired motion actresses in their history
>>93261008Don't see the point in this. The reason i want to see the girls performing is because it is the girls.
>>93261515>kpop dancing bad>idol dancing goodNigga it's the same shit
One of the advantages of vtubing is this can happen.Nobody bats a fucking eye to the Hololive anime and videos that don't have body capture of the actual talents and rightfully so, it would be fucking insane to expect it.They did it earlier on in some cases, like years back when they did the hololive "morning show" on Twitter and stupid horoscope shit. The ones with Ayame were the best, especially the outtakes kekI wouldn't care if Brave did this either. Or Nijisanji. Or VSPO, or Phase, or anyone else.Although I will personally smash the knees in of anyone that skinwalks Qpi.
>>93261389SOUL!
>>93287279No it isn't. Jpop dances have shitty coreography because nips are obsessed with cuteness and youthful jumping around on stage is considered acceptable. Clumsiness is cute. Kpop has polished choreos with emphasis on cool because it's the second biggest export for south korea right now after samsung and their entire stupid economy relies on exports.
>>93289411They're both robotic, soulless copypasta dances pumped out by profit-driven corporations.
>>93261389Wasn't it obvious it's not the real talent dancing? Or are you telling me a hag who sits her ass all day did this? Pfffft
>>93287493>Hololive animeAre you talking about Hologra? Comparing it with skinwalking on concert is disingenuous and it's obvious you're just coping because you're VSPO shill ofc you're going to bootlicking your master Brave group, real oldfags don't forget.
>>93262469Now that's definitely the real Mint and Doki and I prefer this.
>>93290687>NIJISEETHING
>>93290775No? I don't watch a single Niji.
>>93290831>talks shit about holo like a jealous catty sistergee I wonder where that's coming from
>>93290737Literally no different.The staff skinwalk them as well as model them.It's literally been fucking shown before. Even YAGOO has a video on his channel skinwalking Roboco.The other fucking talents have skinwalked each other before.
>>93284242Imagine having one of the most popular and profittable fighting game series and yet your animations STILL look like utter shit even without comparing to the infinitely better Street Fighter or even Dead or Alive animations
>>93296134>Literally no different>Doubling down with retarded example of Yagoo showcasing his VR is the same as skinwalking on concertRoru, keep coping retard.
>>93296134Nobody is skinwalking for Hologra.
>>93261678>>93274641Other entertainment mediums don't do this like movies, they credit but they aren't going in like ad commercials which isn't entertainment and putting warning text for every action scene that it's performed by professionals and not the actor themselves. I also don't see the outrage in this particular instance. This is only for dance recording specifically. It seems live performances are still going to be live, and this is specifically for Youtube, X and TikTok which implies it's for promotional and shorts type footage.That doesn't mean they can't do it for other things but Brave specifically have proven even before this that for concert type things, they actually have the Vtuber do the dancing and etc. so given that and past history the outrage certainly isn't justified. I am all for doing that if they do shady shit like misrepresentation and etc. but this is barely anything to go off of.
>>93261008Wouldn't be the first, won't be the last
>>93261008Hime Hina are part of brave group?!
>>93261008what does ironmouse has to do with it
>>93300171read above nigga
>>93261389Yes, I don't see them as traditional eastern Idol.
>>93299896Brave bought the company that owned them back in 2023
