>Use to be Number one>Two years later>Not even a top 10People will keep saying Hololive did not sabotage her career when we know deep inside that's what happen
She's not even top thousand with her 2 streams a year.
She was never #1 even in her prime Pekora still mogged her
>>93279551Bijou mogs her
This chart is fake where's holoEN?
>>93279732Turns out, she couldn't stop her from cooking...
>>93279551>How can I make this about Gura
>>93279551I root for Koyori.
>>93279680>Both showcase 20k-40k-60k tier range streams>Pekora was more popular lulAre you stupid? If anything your picture shows Gura was as popular as Pekora with a Worldwide appeal before Hololive decided to hit the breaks on her career you buffoonAlso:>Pekora year 3 momentum vs Gura year 2 MomentumGura was growing way faster than Pekora back then, that's why the Xenophobic fucks at Hololive hit the breaks on her career.
>>93279551The real Gura killer was always the go live button.
>>93280189Holy fucking SEETHE
>>93280189Incredible cope.
>>93279551Where are the number of hours streamed?
>>93279749It's hours watched, the only reason any holos end up on there is they're so disproportionately popular in terms of average viewers that they can bruteforce their way past people streaming 10x as many hours
>>93280189
>>93280709Streamscharts always hides the number of hours for Ironmouse
>>93279551All she had to do was stream. It had nothing to do with hololive. That is cuckold cope.Instead, she was a whore who stopped caring about her fans and had a kid. She streamed less than 100 hours last year, never talked to her fans or told them why, and completely stopped caring about everything. She manipulated her fans by coming back once every three months to thank them for waiting and tell them she loves them while never explaining what's happening. Then she goes back to opening her legs while her fans cope about it.
>>93281536>A male vtuber is the actual tp vtuber in Japan no PekoraWhat the actual fuck
>>93281762>She streamed less than 100 hours last year, never talked to her fans or told them whyIf Gura actually told viewers she was fighting with management to help another talent get a model redesign that would break her NDA. Cover would fire her the same way they fired Mel and Rushia.
>>93282165Issue is that Gura was the face of Hololive back then, if she broke NDA and shit talked Hololive Ninisanji shitshow would look like a kids play, she would have kamizake a WHOLE company with people she loves in it, plus Hololive would have destroyed her life for sure one way or another, Ninjisanji cast are nobodies when we use to talk about 2022 Gura and Pekora.
>>93281536go biboo go
>>93280530>>93280686>>93280991>Hater post a picture comparing Gura vs her Senior that's been in the bussiness for longer>Numbers are barely bigger than Gura's and cherry picked to the extreme>LOL COPEJust admit you guys did not want a white woman as the biggest vtuber in the world
>>93279551She has never been on this chart in her life.
>>93282165I will skin you alive Outfitschizo.
>>93279551Last year was also peko, year before was amouranth, valkyrae the year before that. You have to go live multiple times a week for several hours each time all year long to make the list. Gura has never been near the top 10.
>>93281536kuzuha is really the goat.
>>93281536That's not something to hide for her, streaming more than any other vtuber in the world is something to be proud of.
>>93281536Let's be honest you gotta love what you do to Stream as much as Ironmouse, plus we would have less depressed people if our favs streamed as much as her
>>93279732oh you mean botseki? cool fake numbers bro
>>93281536Damn even if you take out a whole month (720 hours) ironmouse still has streamed the second most. I can respect it
>>93284173I'm not about to debase myself by watching Ironmouse to confirm this theory, but it is a logical impossibility that you are getting even replacement level entertainment content from someone that streams 9 hours a day every day 365 days a year. It must just be mindless slop.
>>93282870>i-i-it doesn't count!Cope harder, apex golden age prime Gura with a birthday stream, a song release, and various events got bitchslap-mogged by Pekora's random game streams lmao.
>>93284624Mindless take.
>>93282165If you think Gura sacrificed and abandoned her loving fans just because she had a fight with management over someone else's outfit, then she is even more of a callous, soulless, worthless shit-eating whore and she'd be less worthy of the title of "idol" than any person that has ever existed in the industry.A AV actress would be more of an idol than the Gura you've concocted in your head.
>>93284624She sleeps on stream.
>>93282165The idea that you think Gura is destroying her own career to save Ina who clearly doesn't even think about her basically means you think Gura is retarded.
>>93280189is this we wuz kangz for white people?
Cover trying to smother Gura's career might be the most retarded thing I've ever heard, reaching really deep today aren't we copebud
>>93283104tooko is so lucky
>>93284624That logic is flawed tho if you look at the others - most vtubers already sing, play games etc especially on this list None one here really does much different stuff - if you exclude outliers(events) At that point they are all slop - we just watch the slop that’s most enjoyable to us
>>93289947It's called a subathon, you can't end stream until it's over and people need to sleep. Even vtubers.
>>93279680Nah, Gura was more popular than Pekora, I don't think anyone seriously tries to deny that. However, not streaming at all pretty much kills your career.
>>93279551I feel like this is one big old thread of bait
>>93282095jesus
>>93280189>>93291867Absolute embarrassing posts
>>93279680Why did shork drop off right before the streamer explosion?
Gura has never been on these stats cause they're CCV x hours streamed you dumb fuck
>>93291730Sleepathon
>>93281536>>93283104King of jobbers
Gura's fame means nothing if she doesn't even show up for the fans that put her where she is now.Not worth the time or money to support someone who doesn't give a damn.
>>93283812Doesnt matter, Ennacuck. Biboo streams far more than Gura. Even if you don't count bots she has acumulated a dedicated viewership over a large number of hours. Its why she's been getting a lot of attention. If anything, (you)r bottimg only further propels her into the limelight.Sure, Gura could easily claim it back if she just, you know, FUCKING STREAMED, but Gura is too big for streaming apparently. So Biboo overtakes her now.
miko SAKURA is the most important vtuber right now.
>>93282095There's a reason why Niji is still number 2. Niji EN may be in shambles, but Kuzuha practically carries the company.
>>93282870Just shut the fuck up. The stats here slready disprove your dumbfuck claims >>93281536The only thing Gura has going for her is largest suscriber count, but she's not even working with it
>>93302599As much as I love Pekora, Gura staying power despite being technically gone for 2 years is insane, you could find her in every cranny in the internet and even normies would recognize her. Pekora you really have to look for her for anyone outside Japan, specially if you are not into vtubing. Gura appeal will never be matched and Hololive never capitalized on it like your typical useless Japanese company, Pekora already reached her peak and will slowly burn now, which is a beautiful things to see, to reach the best you can be. But is sad that we will never get to see Gura's peak, that Shark could have rival Mickey Mouse for at least a few years if she really try
>>93280189pekora has several globally well known memes, like ogey rratwhat does gura have? a? baby shark?
>>93314160How do you measure the staying power? The sub number? But do most people prune their subs of creators who never post any more? Does the big number mean anything?
>hololive has 1st, 2nd, 4th and fifth biggest female streamers>hololive is sabotaging herI will give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't a sis, since cover did shut down one of her projects.
>>93314329In a way, the essence of what a vtuber leaves behind can be seen when comparing Gura and Ame as examples.Ame graduates, and she is forgotten a week later. In 2 years, people will be asking who she is (no offense to her fans).Gura has been gone for almost two years, yet fan content related to her still thrives like crazy. She does a December stream after the Stream Awards and gets 30k viewers, who have to PAY to see her.There are vtubers, and then there are actual Stars, those who will take years before they fade from people’s memories, you and I know Gura and Pekora won't be forgoten in the next 10 years.
>>93279551Another bot thread?
>>93314557People have never shown solid proof that Gura is just being a lazy bitch and that's why she is not streaming anymore, all I heard is Holo shills that hate her say that
>>93314839I'm not calling her anything. I just don't think op is being honest and was planning on a holo vs holo thread
>>93314839You can't show proof of anything with Gura because she is a fucking ghost. You can only go based on her actions and her actions are that of a lazy bitch.
>>93314839Gura's been radio silent about everything as far as we know. Nobody knows why she doesn't do anything. Could be burnout. Maybe she's dead and it's actually just Liz doing an impression of her. Either way, numbermonkey thread.
>>93314160Yep. Even some of my normie friends who know nothing about vtubers have heard of Gura.
>koyori>subaruso happy for them
>Chumbuds already have copypasta on why they won't be watchin sen when she shows back upIt really was just the blue dorito chip
>>93315530>>93315460>>93315355Then why most people just call her a lazy bitch instead of ASKING the parent company that host her and works on her schedule??Look at the A-Soul Scandal shit, when Carol/Jiale started to vanish from the scene people started to ask where she was, what was going on, why is she showing up less and less and the Chinese community of all people found out that the company just wanted remove, slowly but steadily as to not rile up the fanbase. This could have been going on with Gura the past couple years, but all the American fandom can do is call Gura Lazy bitch, a ghost, but no one really wants to ask or push Holo for actual answer or for Gura to make a statement, Gura situation is one of the most bizzare situations I seeing in the entertainment media.
>>93316045Dunno. It's the simplest answer and the easiest one to imagine. The other likely option is a medical reason, but there hasn't been any hard evidence of that. She was pretty lazy even pre-gura and her streams were sporadic. Honestly I just don't care about her. I find it weird, but it's just the status quo these days. Gura's not coming back to any kind of regular streaming schedule, and that likely wouldn't change even if she left the company.
>>93316244Sad, I feel like in a few years we will find the real answer, and I hope is not one where Gura ended up being the victim, my biggest fear is for her to end up as a prisoner of a Company that takes control of her life. For anyone interested this video is what I mean, is an outlook at how a company can slowly get rid of their talent despite them bringing the big numbers, because the talent does not align with the company goals.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77JW6RpFIKgI just wish we Americans asked for clarity 3-6 months into Gura going dark, but I guess our culture being more lax in talent taking long breaks really never give us a chance to find out what really is going on with Gura in the company.
I'm just sad Gura doesn't have more music. I thought she'd have a sololive, albums and everything.
>>93316530Naw, it only works that way in China due to being China. Gura's an american living far outside of any jurisdiction that Cover would have on her. Laziness or burnout makes far more sense and would be consistent with pre-holo days. If it's a medical issue, it's probably something liver related since iirc she had a bad liver due to being a severe alcoholic. If she's being lazy or just doesn't feel like streaming, Cover would want her to at least pretend to be active because she's an incredible merch magnet who's absurdly popular globally.
>>93316740And I would believe all of this if not for her December Stream, where it felt like she wanted to genuinely Stream more and be there with us more, is hard to understand unless your are a Chum, but if you have a Oshi you feel you can perceive the mood of by the way they talk alone you would understand, I felt a crazy range of emotions on her last stream and is hard to forget/ignore.
>>93314160>>93315561Gura is the face of the industry. She is the meme. Ironmouse fans can give her as many Mickey Mouse awards they want, she will never surpass Gura in the public mind.
>>93316951Qrd? Can you give links or more background info? What you say checks with the theory that Cover has muzzled Gura so much because any mistake she makes on stream could cost the brand millions of dollars, that Gura isn’t allowed to be herself anymore and led her to become demotivated
>>93316951Well, I hope she's alright, anon. I definitely feel bad for the chumbuds not being able to see their oshi.
>>93317074I promise you there no Zoomer that's into Anime and does not know who Ironmouse is in the Americas atm, the hole Gura created when she was gone Ironmouse is filling at an alarming speed, and who is to blame? Holoshit, because I will never buy that Gura is not streaming as often because of laziness.
Gura's lack of activity has really hurt her popularity. Ironmouse probably is more well known with her constant streams, collabs with big streamers, and participating in numerous public events and charities. Hololive's performance at a Dodgers Game is not going to move the needle much when its mostly old boomers who watch baseball.
>>93317125I tried to find it, but it's currently locked, and I can't really pay the $10 because I'm broke this month. In short, she talks about how much she loves us, like a drunk mother who can't see her children often due to being the non-custodial parent. It's a very melancholic stream, and she's more tender than usual, with a lot of sad vibes.
>>93291730oh uhtwitch chat kiddy has arrivedpoggers my doggers
>>93317749Thanks anyway that’s a mood. I hope management treats her better
>>93282165Kiara and Mori talk shit about management all the time, Gura could easily do the same, and she has the bonus of having a much bigger fanbase who could make enough noise to sway Cover into giving her what she wants.
>>93282964>I will skin you alive Outfitschizo.>>93288809>If you think Gura sacrificed and abandoned her loving fans just because she had a fight with management over someone else's outfit, then she is even more of a callous, soulless, worthlessI get that fans are upset since this fight has been going on for years but she needed management to compromise. Gura would never think well of Hololive if management kept forcing the sleazy coombait on Ina since that would have caused her graduation. After that Gura would either leave Hololive or coast along doing the minimum for the rest of her career. Gura would have stopped wanting to be Gura and there is a chance she would have given up on being a vtuber. That would be worse since everyone loses in that scenario.>>93290174>The idea that you think Gura is destroying her own career to save Ina who clearly doesn't even think about herThat 2 year project from Gura will connect to Ina's Temari MV which has an unusual amount of lore:>Temari was the last song in the Pleides 3D live and had the theme of the movement of time>several Hololive talents that got a 2.0 design were invited to Pleides (Nenechi, Flare, and IRyS)>MV shows the train tracks going through a torii gate to an unknown island>Temari balls in the end credits are toys which are given to young girls>red eyes Ina looks similar to a certain shark loli>Ina refers to a younger sister in the song and that she is going "Towards the beginning and the end"
>>93317972>oh uhpeppeloni
>>93316737Chumbud here. I feel the same. She already has the tools she needs to become like Hatsune Miku, she's so close to be there. Yet she just doesn't do anything. She'll never get this opportunity again in her life. She could've have her own solo live by now. Multiple albums. Yet she just refuse to do anything. She's still my kamioshi buts its just sad to see her like this where her other coworkers are working hard to achieve their dreams.
>>93284624Ironmouse is basically 'what if koyori didnt have homework'.
>>93318303The actual Hatsune Miku is a mascot that the company markets super hard and doesn't require the voice actor's input after the initial work, so in a way she has become like Miku.
>>93318303Not her dream. Cover’s dream. Like a true vocaloid she has no agency of her own. She sings whatever management wants her sing.
>>93282095>>93299422It's shocking that people would watch a guy play video games huh?
>>93311523>numbers numbers numbersMeanwhile kuzuha is just chilling playing PoE and chatting with his fans.
>>93282095Were you asleep in 2022 when Vox and Luxiem went viral and male vtubers dominated and everyone was freaking out including Yagoo who promptly created Tempus to compete causing the shitstorm between unicorns and unityfags? The myth that only guys are losers enough to watch anime streamers was proven false years ago
>>93282095Haven't heard about Manjisanji before?
>>93279551marine will also overtake her in subs before the end of the year, only 800k to go now and marine has been averaging 100k subs a month for the last 4 months
>>93320122Holy shit Marine is so close. Well if there’s anyone deserving of the number one spot over Gura it’s her so can’t be mad
>>93281536>pekora mogged by a nijimaleAbsolutely grim.
>Streamer who doesn't stream isn't in top 10Gee Wonder why that is
>>93282165Holy shit. Chumbuds are so content starved that they have to write up a fanfic of Gura from their hallucinations.
i would love to see this thread's IP count
>>93321079Hiroshimoot says no
>>93320122diminishing returns stat enters the stage
>>93318124Then that's what I hope happen, I hope Ina never gets a new outfit and Gura realizes she wasted 3 years of her life for nothing.
>>93291730We get it, Twitchfags are for quantity over quality.
>>93325605Actually I prefer both but JP corpos would rather the girls spend their time doing basically anything but streaming.
>>93322651Stop. There's no such thing. She'll be at 10 million subs by 2028.
>>93326025Not sure what JP corpos you watch, but they all stream.
>>93283104no one who watches Nijisanji watches JP. That thread is one of the slowest ones.
>>93322651it's shorts-led growth, so if she finds more viral shorts it'll speed up rather than diminish. Every month for the last 6 months the rate at which she's been gaining subs has been increasing, rather than decreasing
>>93329475>>93322651people don't want to admit it but Marine has only been getting better at the subfarming game over time, and her growthtrends are completely separated from the rest of hololive or vtubing as a wholeeveryone else has growth that's highly correlated with the rest of the box/industry, marine is out here doing her own thing. She's just a weird outlier
It's cute when EN faggots think their shitters are more renown. Asia is the number 1 market and nothing you Weebs say will change that. No wonder most the world can't stand Ameritards and their self fellating delusions.
>>93283812>cool fake numbers broLike Gura's deadsubs?
She's been fully burnt out for a couple years. The Gura you know is never returning within or outside hololive.
>>93318303>She already has the tools she needsPeople like that is more common irl than you think. Those that have the skill but not the heart to achieve great things.
Yes. It's management's fault she won't stream.
>>93332511kek get his ass
>>93281536https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du-Co-OafZE
>>93330250It's cute that pekora managed to overthrow her nemesis - amouranth.
