Why do modern Hololive fans, particularly EN ones, follow the brand first and don't believe in having an oshi?
>>93373954Yet the newer fans have a very specific oshi: The Brand.
>>93373810Because they are exactly like Nijisisters. Stopped watching individual talent and started watching clips.
>>93373810>>93374074>>93376910You are trying too hard, sis.
>>93376910Phasetard detected
>>93376910Unfortunately the parallels are undeniable.
>>93373810they're basically the disney adults of vtubing
>>93373810hololive has standards and expect their girls to follow them. they don't talk about their boyfriends or politics without repercussions. once girls go indie they're free to share their terrible political beliefs
>>93377240Sure and I like the company too but, don't you have a specific oshi? The company doesn't make the content.
>>93377240Whenever I hear shit like this it makes me think the person saying it has seen basically no Indies. It's like a man hiding in a bunker saying outside the bunker it's just madness and murder and debauchery. And while it's true that there is probably more of that outside of the bunker than in it's not the ever present thing it's made out to be.
>>93373810Most EN fans don't actually care that much about idol culture and they view Hololive like any entertainment service. Cover is far more likely to actually lose EN fans if they keep having graduations since their are many other entertainment choices in the western market. Nijisanji made this mistake since they expected more loyalty to the NijiEN brand name and didn't realize that EN fans would simply leave and watch other vtubers.
>>93377486Nijisanji thought they could terminate one of their best performing female streamers and everyone would turn a blind eye toward it. That was a far stretch.
>>93377430Doesn't matter if it reflects reality cuz the guy in the bunker is never gonna come out to check anyhow.
>>93373810There are too mansluts who have multiple oshis
I have an oshi. If she goes, then that's that. I will not follow her, I will keep enjoying Hololive instead.
>>93378774Who is your oshi? Post her membership badge.
>>93373810I followed my oshi and I still watch holo if I feel like it, but there's not much of a point since my Oshi isn't in it.
>>93378774Well then you don't have an oshi
If my oshi graduates, I will watch her as an indie and also continue to watch Hololive because there are other girls there that I also like
>>93380457I think this is what many people who are not absolutely insane do.
>>93373810I like many of the girls. Fauna leaving made me resent management though
>>93376980>using a pic of an obvious corporate spyThe absolute irony.
>>93373810Big audience -> too many casuals. Then there are all the retards who only watch clips, beg for more clips, and refuse to ever watch streams or even check timestamped parts.What I can't explain is why some old fans turn into corpo bootlickers.
>>9338045799% of people are like this.This thread is bait for holoantis to jerk off about their imaginary enemy.
>>93382296The people who oshi corpos are absolutely not casuals in fact I'd say they are some of the most hardcore/in too deep vtuber fans. Maybe they don't get a lot of enjoyment out of watching (they usually are fairly critical) but vtubing in general is a huge part of their lives. Casuals don't give a shit about who works where.
>>93373810having an oshi is basically putting all your eggs in one basket, you don't want to ride everything on one single person and pretend that this is like a cartoon or disney movie that will go on forever as long as it's profitable. it's a job and people can and will leave eventually. if you have no other options you'd even consider and aren't flexible at all it's like going to a restaurant for just one specific dish and if they stop serving it your entire meta of dining out is catastrophically ruined. holy shit just have something else. the irony here is that while it is prudent to be oshiless hololive is well aware of what having an oshi is and the girls all would love it if they were yours. but in reality it's not healthy for the viewer or chuuba or hololive's long-term prospects all the same.
>>93373810It happens to everything. Be it clothes brands, cars or some sports teams. Imo it's stupid af, but people will do whatever they want.
>>93377430>>93377685Did you guys just describe /pol/?
>>93373810the hololive experience™ is in fact different than the indie experience™ no girl exists in a vacuum
>>93383770How is that any different from a holo clip? Do you even know the context or are you going off a thumbnail?
>>93373810Kill All Globalists, Vtuber.
>>93373810The brand will outflast any single talent, so why get attached to any individual hololive member?
Nu-fans that came in with Council just love corporate dick, it's why they don't care that council is full of lazy whores.
>>93383966>>93377327The company does make content. Its especially true in Hololive's case as ot has its own independentvproducts, namely HoloEarth and Ping Pong league. And leaving that aside, sponsprships and concerts don't appear magically. Its harder for indies to make a concert than it is for a corpo to do so.Its a bitter pill to swallow, but its the truth. Kson is not the same as Kiryu Coco, Gawr Gura is not the same as Senzawa. Tara Charendoff may have voiced Raven, Timmy Turner and Kylie Griffin, but she is none of those characters. A white horse is not a horse.
Is this the thread
I have no use for an oshi. I just want to be entertained. The most entertaining content in vtubing emerges from interactions between talents in various collaborations. Thus the community of talents accessible for collaboration is as important as the characterstics of any individual talent. Hololive has fostered the best community of talents and they are exclusive. So I will only watch Hololive.
>>93384631That's a whole lotta words to still not explain why on earth you used that clip thumbnail.
>>93384579holoX is the gen that signalled hololive's shift to soulless corporate shit though
>>93373810I would assume that 'modern' EN holo fans just don't care or resent idol culture.Personally, I've yet to see anything good come out of any holo talent that has left the company.For one reason or another, many aren't as driven to put effort into pleasing the fans over time so when they leave the company, they're truly free to be as selfish as they wish
>>93385423NTA but if I have to venture a guess: Dooby's experience as an indie with Filian, Doki and Mint =/= her experience as a Holo with Gura et al.Perhaps a better example would be Shondo's circlejerk pre-Holo and post-Holo. Fauna was definitely not like Lemonleaf.
>>93385649There's a reason why many holos are clearly choosing to stay. Its notvlike Nijisanji where said talents could not improve until they left their black company
>>93385649>Personally, I've yet to see anything good come out of any holo talent that has left the company....Prior to late 2024, mind reminding me how many talents had left the company?
>>93384631>The company does make content.Sure, it does. However, THE BEST content in Hololive is still made by the talents. In fact, some of the HoloEN’s recent events have been organized by small indie chuba. And judging by how successful it was, they will continue to work with her in the future.>Gawr Gura is not the same as SenzawaMost talents don't change much from their PLs. And that makes sense. Why waste time and resources on “remaking” someone when you can take someone who’s ready-made and just add the suitable model and lore?
>>93373810The brand is carried by the oshis. Lose the oshis, lose the brand. Simple ass. NijiEN learned this the hard way
>>93385654Fauna was like Lemonleaf for the most part. The main difference is that she has become more confident and experienced over time. But the same goes for any other chuba.
>>93385720Gura is not a good example because she is "quite" different from Senzawa. Senzawa was basically a Nyanners-lite, whereas Gura managed to eclipse Nyanners AND Kizuna Ai. Senzawa didnt do that, Gura did. Kson didn't revolutionize Hololive, Kiru Coco did.And yes, its true indies should not be under-estimated. Ots why Fuwamoco turned to an indie for ASMR help. Why Idol corp had a prominent indie help advertise E-sekai. But again, the CHARACTER is not the same. I'm a fan of Kylie Gtiffin. I don't care for Raven. I fucking love Ellen Ripley, but I don't care for the damsel-in-distress in Ghostbusters.
>>93373810cause ive had sex before with a real woman.
>>93373810
>>93373810Seeing prominent members of the community (lol) like that cosplay whore switch oshi from Fauna to Nerissa to ERB because the latter two started giving her more attention, has basically reinforced the idea that the term “oshi” is meaningless, in the HoloEN sphere at least
>>93386330so why are you watching hololive? You clearly shouldn't be intimidated by male collabs.
>>93373810Voices aren't oshis. People proved that, when Kizuna AI's voice had her own vtuber debut, 700 people watched. Despite all the things people say, the voice isn't what they love. Even in idol culture, when an idol graduates, she ends her career so far as being an idol and the fans remain and stuff support the group. Graduations aren't supposed to be a betrayal or cynical funneling of customers to their new job. People that watch Hololive don't always want to watch someone that wants to continue being a streamer with a vtuber avatar and a slightly higher pay cut.It's so zoomer brained and consumerism brained to treat corpos as just a fame boost for people that just want to stream. There is nothing that compels loyalty to such a cynical business tactic.
>>93373810Begone shitposter
>>93373810Because the brand is less likely to let you down
>>93386930Retard. The difference is advertising. Fucking nobody even knew it was the kizuna ai girl.
>>93386330...........
>>93386257What a drone. People who care about Ellen Ripley can also care about Sigourney Weaver
>>93383706Where do you think a good chunk of hololive fans on this board come from?
>>93387283Fair, but I'm not going to love every character played by Weaver. I like Keanu Reeves but he's still terrible at Shakespeare.
>>93373810t. Nijifag spamming posts agreeing with himself
>>93373810Hololive taught me that blah blah blah
>>93373810women are whores
>>93373810Fauna being pulled into a gutter. Her body isn't even cold.
>>93373810>>93374074>>93376910Can you actually prove your claims?
Hololive uses boring no personality having women that SEAmonkeys can self insert their desires for the perfect woman into, none of them except gura have any real personality and are carried by the brand, thats why when they leave no one cares because deep down people know they suck and cant make it on their own
>>93385720>Most talents don't change much from their PLsYour oshi hasn't graduated if you genuinely think that. Kson isn't the same experience as coco, and her viewership reflects that.
>>93373810Name one (1) girl who made better content once she left Holo.
>>93385649I agree with this take, people try to spin leaving hololive as a net benefit for the streamer and the fans but I think it almost always ends up being a negative experience for the fans. And people don't really take the opportunity cost into account when their oshi graduates and leaves the connections and events and everything behind. Like with Fauna leaving, everyone calls in saying "Oh we're gonna hang out and still be good friends" etc but it's only natural that over time the friendship they have will die down because they will be too busy doing holo stuff which the independent is now completely missing out on.
>>93395211so much for "personality"
>>93395671quality over quantity
>>93395211There is truth to this but it's changing with the newer talents. Hopefully they will bring in fans who are passionate about the talents themselves
>>93395671it was a pretty mid stream. mostly game debuff because of their skill levels
>>93395731I particularly thought of Gigi as a counter to this narrative she's very entertaining and seems to really appreciate the opportunity.
>>93395786Got me into the en side of holo for the first time ever.
>>933856966 have left. All but aqua are doing bad and even she is gassing out.
>>93373810I don't feel like I'm one being described here, but idol culture is cancer "no negativity! support your oshi!" is cancer
>>93395246I said “most talents” and I was referring specifically to the Hololive’s talents and their PLs. I don't know what Kson was like before Hololive. Only that she used to be on Niconico.
>>93395886It seems like most of them left due to burn out and decided to take on vastly less streaming duties because as other excorpos have shown the main thing when it comes to being a successful indie is being consistent
>>93395786numberfag holos are having melties over Gigi. The worst side of Hololive's fan base are using her to uphold brand shit posting and are real obvious about it. The rot has already taken hold.
>>93373810Fauna IP is in hell because her VA retired which is bullshit because I want to see fauna in anime, manga and music video.
>>93373810It's not the new fans, but the old fans who've lost that initial passion they had for the actual hobby itself but stick around in the scene because they're attached to the community and find it difficult to let go. I've seen it happen billion times in the 23 years I've spent in hobby communities online and they always poison everything they touch.
>>93373810I think people overestimate how many people really oshi certain holos.Just because Holo gets 10k CCV doesn't mean all of them are watching her as a first choice. Many have other oshis that they more dedicated towards.When Holo graduates to go indie, only the people that had her as oshi really follow up. Everyone else just fizzles over time, because the connection to their real oshi is gone.
>>93380347Or maybe the new model/character won't be as good.
>>93396257Hopefully Cover gives the model a new VA soon.
>>93373810western women are whores without idol standard. I only watch indie with real talent
>>93374074> The Brand.sorry i don't follow mori or kronii or ID
>>93373810My theory is that it has to do with brand indoctrination from bug corpos such as disney, frito-lay, nike, etc. The younger generations are unfortunate in how they've been treated with modern content slop. It will be interesting to see how art develops under their watch, especially if class war becomes a more prominent component of their dialog.
>>93387596They make it terribly obvious with the "muh hobby" shit that they are transient culture warriors who throw a hissy fit whenever normies start enjoying their sekrit klub.
>>93373810That's weird. Because after Ame graduated. I barely watch Hololive anymore, when I used to watch them every time I saw one of them on.
>>93395246People always bring up Kson but Kson was not the same as everyone else. Kson and Coco were essentially different people. Kson was still streaming as Kson when she was Coco and she was literally no different than how she was now.
>>93373810Is that what people do? I haven't watched hololive since Fauna left. But that's because I can only keep up with like two streamers maximum, so I followed Fauna and an indie. I don't want to try to invest time into another because Fauna is definitely coming back.
>>93373810nijisis projection?
>>93401663Hard to say. With Holo it hasn't been the case so far, but there's not enough samples. Niji it absolutely was, though. All of the ex-nijis talked about near daily harassment through any public facing avenue they had. Mint was talking about being afraid to open up her streamlabs because of all the hate mail.
>>93387596It's funny you say that, because /pol/ generally considers vtubers pretty pathetic.
>>93402114Doesn't surprise me. They've always been hypocritical retards.
I'd like to say I'm not loyal to a brand but if my oshi leaves and picks some big titty cow as her next model i'm probably not following her
>>93380565The irony is that she was a literal Nijisister. Lusting for homocock included.
>>93377240are you a trumpian faggot
>>93373810>why thing I totally made up????
>>93402261You just said you follow the brand
>>93403537>The irony is that she was a literal Nijisister. Lusting for homocock included.
>>93404588the bitch betrayed her mama
>>93404319No it's called standards
>>93373810Good thread and good job proving the corporatefags right OP
>>93409768>proving the corporatefags are corporatefags*
>>93407125>everyone should follow my standardsYou don't get to make the rules nigger
>>93373810because it's safer than other companies or indies (specially indies) and you need a plan b, c and d in case you still get cucked
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Really miss Fauna
>>93373810I'm not kidding when I say this but /#/ not being gatekept enough ruined this fanbase and now I can't even enjoy my relatively lower CCV Holo oshi in peace without these fags breathing down my own neck.
>>93416504stay away from vt and turn off chat and not read comments. it’s not that hard.
>>93373810hololive is an ideathe girls might stop being a hololive one day, but the company will always be hololive, existing upholding it's valueeven if my oshi leave me, hololive will always be there for methat's why I don't watch vtubers, I watch hololive
>>93416658>doesn't have HCngmi
>>93416719Based
>>93416504Part of the reason why Phase is targeted on a daily basis is because they tell number fags to fuck off in their generals. That's why catalog bait gets spammed.
>>93416719What if the company goes bankrupt or they close the branch you watch?
>>93385649If you're going to call them selfish then I'm going to say Mumei is genuinely autistic.
>>93416719stop using my oshi your shitty holodrone false flagging, you massive faggot
>>93385720>In fact, some of the HoloEN’s recent events have been organized by small indie chuba.I'm confused, what events are you referencing?
>>93395930hololive is not for you, it's that simple.
>>93419390You say that like numberfags are welcomed in any other general.
>>93395930Yes, they are nothing but the number of CCV on a stream and nothing else.People like you made this hobby less fun. Maybe it's why some of the girls walk on eggshells all the time?
>>93373810>don't believe in having an oshi?I have difficulty forming any kind of attachment.
>>93373810Most EN fans are here for the group/gen. They do have a favorite girl, but if she leaves, the fans are more inclined to stay with the remaining girls. It's like following a girl band or boy band. Nobody likes the first person who splits the group up.
>>93425824>Hololive has to be like K-PopKill yourself
>>93425767I was the same, to be fair it's hard to choose a favorite, everyone has their own charm, and depending on your mood, you might want to watch a more chill or more funny talent. Who knows.
>>93425895>bands are just kpopJohn lennon was killed when he left the beatles.
>>93426053Did Beatles fans hate John Lennon when he died? Did they hate George Harrison when he died?Don't ever find out what color some fans shone their penlights with at Pekora's and Marine's Sololives during the Sankisei group numbers. Don't ever find out what the choreography for the final numbers of 1st and 4th Gen group lives were like.Don't tell me I'm coping btw. You're clipwatching trash.
>>93426262But you are coping. You made this thread to feel better about yourself for following her out. Just accept that not all saplings will watch her new persona and move on with your oshi.
Sad to see holofans become nijisisters
>>93425141Gigi birthdayNerissa birthdayCoughing baby show
>>93373810>modern Hololive fans, particularly EN onesbased on what? you obviously don't know much about idols. this is just as common in japan with traditional idols groups, probably more so. akb, nogizaka, and all their sister groups went through the same thing. some fans were devoted to just one member but most people liked multiple members or just the group in general, because if someone you liked left, it was easy to find new members to follow. that group dynamic is the appeal for most people, hence why most idols are in groups.
